No one's going to match Kentucky's four-digit routing system, so I wouldn't expect to see SR 3331 in West Virginia or Ohio.
But what common, lower-number route cannot be found in your state?
Kentucky has no KY 50. At one time, maps indicated KY 50 being signed on what is now US 421 between Frankfort and Lexington, and some state-issued Fayette County maps in the 1980s had KY 50 placed on Man O'War, but Kentucky does not have a route numbered 50. KY 67 was unused for years until it was applied to the Industrial Parkway in northeastern Kentucky.
West Virginia has several route numbers not being used. There's no WV 13. A few other two-digit numbers are reserved for future construction (WV 78 on a route in the Hinton area comes to mind.) And some are county route numbers that cross county lines, such as CR 21 for old US 21 and CR 56 for the old route of WV 56.
In Indiana, 21 and 34 don't exist. They used to, before being replaced by US 35 and 136, respectively, and they were never recycled. Only numbers < 72 in Indiana that aren't on an US or state highway.
69 was changed to 245 in California apparently due to sign theft.
There's no 11 or 17 in Massachusetts, although there used to be.
After 2 versions of 16 (State and US), Michigan has not had a 16 for decades now.
We have a few more numbers between 10 and 100 that have been discontinued and not used, but not many.
Numbers 1 through 9 were at one time reserved (and any that had existed were renumbered) - they were going to be "super highways" before the advent of the Interstates. But 1, 3, 5, 6 and 8 have now been used.
Other California examples of currentlyunused low numbers:
21 - was today's I-680/Route 262 corridor from Fremont to Cordelia from the late 1930s until finally being supplanted in 1976 after 680 took over the last Benicia-Cordelia segment remaining.
30 - 1930s to 1998 route, originally assigned to a corridor between San Dimas and Big Bear Lake/Highland, with the east end being shifted to Redlands in the late 1960s. Completely subsumed by the state route segment of modern-day 210.
31 - 1964-1974 route between Corona and Ontario, taken over by modern I-15.
42 - 1950s to 2000s route along Manchester and Firestone Boulevards, the west segment of what had been 1934 Route 10. Primarily replaced by I-105
48 - had been used pre-1964 for the section of today's Route 37 between Sears Point and Vallejo (back when 37 followed modern day 121 north to Napa from Sears Point). Reserved for a never-built corridor from Route 138/Route 14 west of Lancaster east towards unbuilt Route 122.
64 - reserved for the unbuilt Whitnall Freeway in San Fernando Valley; doesn't appear to have been used pre-1964 either.
81 - reserved for an unbuilt L-shaped north-south freeway from I-15 south of Devore, parallel to Sierra Avenue, to Route 91 west of Riverside, with a final east-west segment to approximately the I-215/Route 60 south split in Moreno Valley. Number wasn't used pre-1964.
93 is not signed traditionally, but IIRC the callboxes on the Richmond Parkway do have that number identified on them (even though the road is locally built and maintained on the 93 corridor).
With Arizona until the Interstate era there wasn't anything below 60 as the State Highways were supposed to be spinoffs of US Routed or child routes of two digit state highways. Today there are route numbers like; 8, 10, 15, 17, 19, 24, 30 (which is coming), and 40 that are now part of the system. That still leaves a ton of open slots in the highway network which are typical in other states.
Virginia has not placed 12 back into service since it was replaced by US 340 in the 1950s
44 is not in use but hasn't been decommissioned that long.
88 is the other 2 digit number not in use but it had briefly been the designation for today's VA 195 Downtown Expressway before they changed it.
In MA, one will not find a Route 45*, 50 & 55 (*MA 45 was renumbered to MA 145 circa 1958). The supposed reasoning for this was due to the possibility that those route shield reassurance markers, which along non-highways didn't start sporting direction-cardinal banners system-wide until the 1980s, could be mistaken for speed limit signs.
I don't believe Kansas has ever had a highway numbered 91. Curious.
MN has no 17; its most recent form was a short route established to follow a former portion of US 16 likely to meet constitutional route requirements, and later decommissioned. No MN 31 either. Two distinct iterations of MN 66 have come and gone.
WI is obviously infamous for having no state routes lower than 11.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 29, 2020, 04:21:11 PM
WI is obviously infamous for having no state routes lower than 11.
Apparently, that's not a well-known fact in these parts. I didn't know that till you told me just now.
For Alabama, the lowest missing number under 100 is 58, and that's a recent change. It was part of an old alignment of US 82, but when more of that route was bypassed for an all-new four-lane section, ALDOT just renumbered it SR 382 in 2015. Here's some Junction signage from 2013:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/5696/31029724805_7c2e5320ea_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PgZs8g)
Any other missing numbers in Alabama are US route duplicates or their hidden designations (1-4, 6-8, 12, 15, 16, 38, 42, 57). You will probably find them as a county road numbers in several places in the state, you'd find them somewhere in Alabama.
Florida has a few missing numbers under 100; while we usually know it as having a fairly orderly grid with "bands" of numbers, the SRs 28, 32, 34, 36, 38, 58, 86, 88, 96 are curiously absent. While many routes have changed into county road status since the 1970s to present (for example: 67, 74, 92) those just don't exist anywhere in the state since the 1945 renumbering.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 29, 2020, 04:21:11 PM
WI is obviously infamous for having no state routes lower than 11.
Then most 2-digit highways including state, US, and Interstate highways are used. Currently missing are 62, 74, 84, 99
Quote from: Big John on January 29, 2020, 04:39:06 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 29, 2020, 04:21:11 PM
WI is obviously infamous for having no state routes lower than 11.
Then most 2-digit highways including state, US, and Interstate highways are used. Currently missing are 62, 74, 84, 99
I do see that Wisconsin has US-2, US-8, and US-10.
Quote from: kphoger on January 29, 2020, 04:48:44 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 29, 2020, 04:39:06 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 29, 2020, 04:21:11 PM
WI is obviously infamous for having no state routes lower than 11.
Then most 2-digit highways including state, US, and Interstate highways are used. Currently missing are 62, 74, 84, 99
I do see that Wisconsin has US-2, US-8, and US-10.
Yes, Highway 2, Highway 8, and Highway 10. :-P
TN 42 once existed from Sparta to US 127 at the KY border, but has since been renumbered to TN 111. Pretty sure that's the lowest missing number from TN's system.
HB, did you mention how WV does not have a primary highway 1?
Remembered this thread from NE2 > Renumbering due to sign theft (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=11277.0)
Wow, PA is missing a lot of routes under 100. I'm excluding numbers duplicated by US Routes since PA has the no-duplication rule, and all my info is coming from PAHighways.
2 - Replaced by the advent of the US Highway system in 1926, with US 611 and US 11; once stretched from Philly clear up to NY and hasn't been used since.
4 - Also a victim of US Routes; roughly followed what was US 111 and US 15 to go from Maryland to New York.
7 - Also a victim of US Routes - went clear across the state, following the same route as US 6 nowadays
9 - Removed in 1996 following the connection of the Blue Route to the Northeast Extension (or at least I think so); first applied in 1980 to the NE Extension, before then the Extension had no number
37 - No clue why this got renumbered. Happened in the mid 1940's to PA 434; connected US 6 to NY.
47 - Two routes separated by a gap; both met their demise in 1928. It looks like former PA 7 connected them, so when PA 7 was decommissioned so too was PA 47.
55 - Another route separated by a gap, but I can't find any reason why this was decommissioned. US 120 took over the eastern PA 55, so I guess they decided to axe the other one.
57 - Victim of US Routes; connected PA 8 and PA 66, which US 62 now does.
67 - Also separated with a gap, eastern one going to US 106 in 1927 (yet another victim of US Routes). Like 55, no clue why they couldn't keep the western half.
71 - Removed in 1964, being replaced by current I-70 (and parts of I-70 were built as PA 71). Connected US 40 to US 30; more or less followed PA 917, I-70 east of exit 32, and PA 66.
91 - Just as mysterious as the other routes decommed after 1927 (this was decommed in 1946); doesn't seem like it did much, as it was only 11 miles long.
Illinois doesn't have a state route 11; it was usurped by US 40, and hasn't been used since.
Other route numbers <100 not currently assigned to a state, US, or Interstate route in Illinois: 27, 42, 44, 46, 63, 65, 69, 77, 79, 85, 86, 87, 93, 95.
There isn't a route 4 of any kind in Michigan. Also no 7 or 9.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 29, 2020, 03:24:32 PM
With Arizona until the Interstate era there wasn't anything below 60 as the State Highways were supposed to be spinoffs of US Routed or child routes of two digit state highways. Today there are route numbers like; 8, 10, 15, 17, 19, 24, 30 (which is coming), and 40 that are now part of the system. That still leaves a ton of open slots in the highway network which are typical in other states.
I believe the only numbers <60 that are currently assigned to state highways are 24 and 51, with, as you mention, 30 to come.
It has always seemed to me that if they wanted a group of 40 highway numbers, they should have opted for 20-59, as the only US or Interstate route in Arizona within that range is I-40.
With certain exceptions (those being routes that were once US Highways or are spurs off of them), they could subtract 40 from every Arizona state route number and not have any issues.
Utah doesn't duplicate numbers, so anything matching an Interstate or US highway doesn't exist. SRs 1 to 5 were used as legislative designations for the five interstate routes before 1977, and none of those have been reassigned since. As for other missing route numbers below 100:
11 - Utah's designation for their portion of US 89A until 2008. Yes, the junction with US 89 in Kanab contained signage for "SR-11 to US-89A".
27 - the pre-1977 legislative designation for US 6, most likely was never signed after the US 6 extension in 1937
33 - became the part of US-191 between Helper and Duchesne
41 - the I-15 Nephi business loop before 2006, became an extension of SR-28
47 - became US-163 from the Arizona line to Monticello, now partly US-191
49 - the old legislative designation for US-89 from Farmington to Ogden, was never signed after the 1938 extension of US-89. There was a SR-49A that existed from 1953 to 1966, though.
69 - renumbered to 38 due to sign theft.
98 - 5500 South in Hooper and Roy, this was combined with SR-97 after its east end was realigned in 2000
Quote from: noelbotevera on January 29, 2020, 05:12:15 PM
I'm excluding numbers duplicated by US Routes
Why shouldn't we exclude those? The thread title doesn't specify non-US Routes. Furthermore, from the OP: US-50 doesn't exist in Kentucky, and US-13 doesn't exist in West Virginia.
The only number under 100 missing in Georgia is, you guessed it, 69.
The short NC 69 runs south from Hayesville to the Georgia state line, and its continuation into the Peach State kept that same number before ending at US 76. In 1955, GA 17 north of Hiawassee was rerouted; instead of being cosigned with GA 75 to the state line, it now ran west along US 76 and was then cosigned with GA 69 to the state line. By 1960, GA 69 was dropped, leaving its former route as just GA 17, which it remains today (cosigned with GA 515 since 1991).
Quote from: Eth on January 29, 2020, 05:41:18 PM
The only number under 100 missing in Georgia is, you guessed it, 69.
I didn't guess it.
↓ FWIW ↓
Quote from: NE2 on January 03, 2014, 05:32:51 AM
Georgia: 69 became part of 17 in 1957-1959, probably for unrelated reasons
Hawaii reserved 1-10 for Interstates, and a never-pursued interisland ferry system. Also, two-digit routes are reserved for primary routes, and each island gets a reserved number block. About half the primary routes are on Oahu (Honolulu), in the 6x-9x block plus Interstates H-1, H-2. and H-3.
So the only two-digit routes are 11, 19, 30, 31, 32 (and 32A and unsigned 32B), 36 (and 36A), 37, 50, 51, 56, 58, 61, 63, 64, 65, 72, 76, 78, 80, 83, 92, 93, 95 (unsigned), 98. and 99. Big gaps in the 2x (Big Island, where all the routes beginning with 2 are 3-digit secondary) and 4x (Lanai and Molokai, with no primary routes) ranges.
It's simpler in Alaska. Only a dozen route numbers in use, 1-11 and 98. There are many more state-maintained highways, which get no route numbers since Alaskans really are not into route numbers.
There is no longer a 15 in MA.
There is no 13, 23, 24, 50, 60, or 90 in CT.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on January 29, 2020, 06:37:58 PM
There is no longer a 15 in MA.
There is; it's an extension of RI 15.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 29, 2020, 05:23:39 PM
There isn't a route 4 of any kind in Michigan. Also no 7 or 9.
There was an M-4 on part of the Northwestern Highway. http://www.michiganhighways.org/master_list.html#routes1-9
Now I'm thinking, are there any states that allow duplication of US and state routes?
NY has most of the low numbers in its state route system: NY 2, NY 3, NY 5, NY 7, NY 8, NY 10.
And we have US 1, US 4, US 6, and US 9, so that explains those omissions. This trend seems to continue, with US 11, NY 12 and 13, and so on.
In fact, it appears that 47 is the lowest number, and the only number below 50, not used at the state or US level. Higher than I thought! Can any other state go higher, possibly even triple digits, claiming ALL numbers 1-99?
US 2 is signed in NY (as well as NY 2). :D
Louisiana does not have these numbered state highways:
7- was taken over by newly commissioned US 371 in the 90's
32- never had one in the old numbering system or the current one.
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Quote from: Rothman on January 29, 2020, 09:45:18 PM
US 2 is signed in NY (as well as NY 2). :D
Well, not for any significant length, but yes, it does enter NY.
Quote from: bassoon1986 on January 29, 2020, 09:56:00 PM
Louisiana does not have state highways:
I don't think you meant that to be taken the way I took it at first.
Quote from: webny99 on January 29, 2020, 09:36:18 PM
Now I'm thinking, are there any states that allow duplication of US and state routes?
Quite a few do. Florida, for one. In fact, US 17 and FL 17 actually intersect in Haines City. There was once an intersection of US 27 and FL 27 near Miami, but FL 27 was renamed to FL 997 (I assume to prevent confusion). If you want to stretch things, US 1 and FL A1A intersect several times.
Quote from: webny99 on January 29, 2020, 09:36:18 PM
Now I'm thinking, are there any states that allow duplication of US and state routes?
If I'm understanding the question correctly, I believe you're talking about a state using the same number on a state and US route? If so, I can tell you that Illinois allows it. There is US Route 6, running through the south suburbs of Chicago, Starved Rock, and the Quad Cities. Meanwhile, IL 6 exists in the Peoria area, a good distance south of US 6. 50 and 54 are other examples, and there may be more.
Maryland has no route numbered 9.
Some speculation for possible use of 9 that never materialized: http://www.mdroads.com/routes/007-011.html#md009 (http://www.mdroads.com/routes/007-011.html#md009)
Maryland is a state that does not duplicate US and State numbers (except for recently US 222 and MD 222, due to a partial decommission). Duplicating Interstate numbers, Maryland has no problems with. (See I-68 and MD 68 for example) :)
(Not sure of Maryland's policy with Fritzways)
Besides the curious case of Ohio 1 (used twice, 1912-26 along present day US 40, & 1961-65 sort of along I-71), the (second) lowest number ODOT doesn't use currently is 92.
The lowest number never used in Ohio, since 1912, would be 388
^^ There is also Ill Rte 40 in NW Illinois and US 40 running east from St Louis. Ill 40 was Ill 88 until Ill Rte 5 became I-88 and the 2 highways crossed each other.
NJ does not have any route 2. I always found that odd, since US 1 and NJ 3 are major routes. But we have not had a Route 2 since 1942, when NJ 2 was renumbered to 17.
Quote from: PHLBOS on January 29, 2020, 03:39:05 PM
In MA, one will not find a Route 45*, 50 & 55 (*MA 45 was renumbered to MA 145 circa 1958). The supposed reasoning for this was due to the possibility that those route shield reassurance markers, which along non-highways didn't start sporting direction-cardinal banners system-wide until the 1980s, could be mistaken for speed limit signs.
Well, maybe if MA didn't just use a plain white square.... just sayin'... 😏
Quote from: webny99 on January 29, 2020, 09:36:18 PM
Now I'm thinking, are there any states that allow duplication of US and state routes?
NY has most of the low numbers in its state route system: NY 2, NY 3, NY 5, NY 7, NY 8, NY 10.
And we have US 1, US 4, US 6, and US 9, so that explains those omissions. This trend seems to continue, with US 11, NY 12 and 13, and so on.
In fact, it appears that 47 is the lowest number, and the only number below 50, not used at the state or US level. Higher than I thought! Can any other state go higher, possibly even triple digits, claiming ALL numbers 1-99?
Michigan must allow it. There's US-8 and M-8, US-10 and M-10, US-45 and M-45. There might be another one I always seem to miss one or two.
I know Indiana doesn't allow it. The state highways follow the same system the US highway system does. Even highways run east and west and start with 2 in the northern part of the state and odd highways run north and south and start with 1 in the eastern part of the state.
In fact I believe one of the US highways I think it's US-40 falls in the same area that Indiana 40 would be in. It's in between Indiana 38 and 42. US-6 I believe falls in that as well.
Quote from: dlsterner on January 29, 2020, 11:10:13 PM
Maryland has no route numbered 9.
Some speculation for possible use of 9 that never materialized: http://www.mdroads.com/routes/007-011.html#md009 (http://www.mdroads.com/routes/007-011.html#md009)
Maryland is a state that does not duplicate US and State numbers (except for recently US 222 and MD 222, due to a partial decommission). Duplicating Interstate numbers, Maryland has no problems with. (See I-68 and MD 68 for example) :)
(Not sure of Maryland's policy with Fritzways)
The first potential MD 9 was on paper in 1953 assigned to the future expressway from Baltimore north (today's I-83)
See page 24 here - http://msa.maryland.gov/megafile/msa/stagser/s1800/s1883/000000/000033/pdf/msa_s1883_000033.pdf#search=1950+route+control
There was an actual MD 9 from 1966-77. It was renumbered as MD 956.
See https://msa.maryland.gov/megafile/msa/stagser/s1800/s1891/000000/000002/pdf/msa_s1891_000002.pdf
Here is the memo to move MD 9 to replace US 140
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vahighways.com%2Fmd9memo.jpg&hash=59003dbd098ad96ba98d9c9dc7ef26a9a1a4ffa6)
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 30, 2020, 05:54:04 AM
Quote from: webny99 on January 29, 2020, 09:36:18 PM
Now I'm thinking, are there any states that allow duplication of US and state routes?
NY has most of the low numbers in its state route system: NY 2, NY 3, NY 5, NY 7, NY 8, NY 10.
And we have US 1, US 4, US 6, and US 9, so that explains those omissions. This trend seems to continue, with US 11, NY 12 and 13, and so on.
In fact, it appears that 47 is the lowest number, and the only number below 50, not used at the state or US level. Higher than I thought! Can any other state go higher, possibly even triple digits, claiming ALL numbers 1-99?
Michigan must allow it. There's US-8 and M-8, US-10 and M-10, US-45 and M-45. There might be another one I always seem to miss one or two.
You forgot 24.
There used to be other duplicate M and US numbers: 25, 27, 33, 112, 131.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 30, 2020, 06:00:29 AM
I know Indiana doesn't allow it. The state highways follow the same system the US highway system does. Even highways run east and west and start with 2 in the northern part of the state and odd highways run north and south and start with 1 in the eastern part of the state.
In fact I believe one of the US highways I think it's US-40 falls in the same area that Indiana 40 would be in. It's in between Indiana 38 and 42. US-6 I believe falls in that as well.
Yes, Indiana does not allow US/State route duplication. IN 35 was renumbered to IN 135 when US 35 was introduced into Indiana. IN 6 coincidentally was the route that US 6 took through the state.
Duplication of Interstate/State routes is allowed. 64, 69, and 70 all exist on both state routes and interstates.
Quote from: webny99 on January 29, 2020, 09:36:18 PMNow I'm thinking, are there any states that allow duplication of US and state routes?
MA 3 coexists w/US 3, although the former is actually a southern continuation of the latter and the mile markers indicate that US/MA 3 as one continuous route. See other threads for the
whats and
whys of such.
In DE, there's both a US 9 and a DE 9 that are in completely different locations in the state.
Delaware has no roads of any sort numbered 21, 25, 27, 29, 38, 39, or 43. DE-22, 30 and 32 both existed for barely two years while DE-28 was decommissioned in the 70s and DE-34 decommissioned last year.
Quote from: wriddle082 on January 29, 2020, 04:54:37 PM
TN 42 once existed from Sparta to US 127 at the KY border, but has since been renumbered to TN 111. Pretty sure that's the lowest missing number from TN's system.
HB, did you mention how WV does not have a primary highway 1?
Nope, I forgot about there being no WV 1. There are plenty of CR 1's, though.
Last time I was across TN 111, I noticed there are still a few mileage markers that have the "42" designation on them. They're on the four-lane segment south of Livingston.
Quote from: webny99 on January 29, 2020, 09:36:18 PM
Now I'm thinking, are there any states that allow duplication of US and state routes?
Yes, both Tennessee and Georgia do. There's a photo that floats around on occasion of US 27 and GA 27's intersection.
Tennessee's SR 70 is located reasonably close to its US counterpart. I'm pretty sure that TN 64 and US 64 are within a couple of dozen miles or so of each other, based on memory of traveling in the southern part of middle Tennessee in years past. Other duplications are more distant, such as TN and US 45.
Virginia also has both US and VA 13.
Kentucky has a couple of duplicates, but I only consider one of them (US/KY 79) to be real. US 52 does dip into the state briefly on two separate occasions in Pike County, but the route is maintained by WVDOT and is not officially on Kentucky's books.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 30, 2020, 01:15:36 PM
Kentucky has a couple of duplicates, but I only consider one of them (US/KY 79) to be real. US 52 does dip into the state briefly on two separate occasions in Pike County, but the route is maintained by WVDOT and is not officially on Kentucky's books.
I don't consider US/MA 3 to be a duplicate, as it's the same route. While US 79 and KY 79 don't quite connect, it could be considered an extension.
In NJ:
2, 6, 8, 11, 14, 16, 25, 39, and 43 are untaken.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 30, 2020, 01:15:36 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 29, 2020, 09:36:18 PM
Now I'm thinking, are there any states that allow duplication of US and state routes?
Yes, both Tennessee and Georgia do. There's a photo that floats around on occasion of US 27 and GA 27's intersection.
Tennessee's SR 70 is located reasonably close to its US counterpart. I'm pretty sure that TN 64 and US 64 are within a couple of dozen miles or so of each other, based on memory of traveling in the southern part of middle Tennessee in years past. Other duplications are more distant, such as TN and US 45.
Virginia also has both US and VA 13.
Kentucky has a couple of duplicates, but I only consider one of them (US/KY 79) to be real. US 52 does dip into the state briefly on two separate occasions in Pike County, but the route is maintained by WVDOT and is not officially on Kentucky's books.
NY, duh
Quote from: hbelkins on January 29, 2020, 02:33:45 PM
No one's going to match Kentucky's four-digit routing system, so I wouldn't expect to see SR 3331 in West Virginia or Ohio.
But what common, lower-number route cannot be found in your state?
Kentucky has no KY 50. At one time, maps indicated KY 50 being signed on what is now US 421 between Frankfort and Lexington, and some state-issued Fayette County maps in the 1980s had KY 50 placed on Man O'War, but Kentucky does not have a route numbered 50. KY 67 was unused for years until it was applied to the Industrial Parkway in northeastern Kentucky.
West Virginia has several route numbers not being used. There's no WV 13. A few other two-digit numbers are reserved for future construction (WV 78 on a route in the Hinton area comes to mind.) And some are county route numbers that cross county lines, such as CR 21 for old US 21 and CR 56 for the old route of WV 56.
There's no WV-1 either.
Quote from: wriddle082 on January 29, 2020, 04:54:37 PM
HB, did you mention how WV does not have a primary highway 1?
Quote from: hbelkins on January 30, 2020, 01:09:32 PM
Nope, I forgot about there being no WV 1. There are plenty of CR 1's, though.
And then......... :pan:
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 30, 2020, 02:20:09 PM
There's no WV-1 either.
Oklahoma doesn't have 12, 13 (was replaced by 3W), 21 (replaced by 3), 41 (renumbered to 152 to match TX), 57, 61, 68, or 90.
The number 12 was associated on some long-term OkDOT plans with the Gilcrease Expressway extension, but I believe that ultimately ended up being assigned the number 344.
Washington's state highways are loosely assigned on a grid which is quite sparse, and as a result there aren't many 2 digit highways above 31, the highest number assigned based on the grid. Those above 31 are either because the number was assigned from the US or Interstate systems (I-82, I-90, US-97, WA-99) or are a spur of another route (WA-92 and WA-96 are spurs of WA-9, since Washington's state route spurs add numbers on the end instead of the beginning like US routes and Interstates, and the 9xx's are reserved for I-90).
Technically there's also WA-41, the Washington half of the part of ID-41 that's on the state line, if you want to count that since it is designated by law.
Of the numbers below 31 there are also some interesting omissions:
1: US-101 sits where a WA-1 would likely be.
13: Unlucky? Also, would be a N/S route on the Cascade crest per the grid and there's unlikely to ever be a highway there of course.
15: US-97 takes its spot in the grid (and even has 15x spurs based on it).
29: US-395 takes its spot (and again has 29x spurs).
30: Replaced when WA-20 was extended in 1973.
In Nevada it's easiest to list all of the routes numbered in 1 or 2 digits that do exist, subsequent to the mid-1970s renumbering. Everything else is 3 digits.
US 6
Interstate 11
Interstate 15
NV 28 (this one and NV 88 below were kept for continuity with California)
US 50
Interstate 80
NV 88
US 93
US 95
Arkansas has no 2, 3, 6, 68, or 81.
We do however, have 2 federal 49 routes, US-49 and I-49. Didn't used to duplicate route numbers in the states, but had to make the change because of this one.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 30, 2020, 01:15:36 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 29, 2020, 09:36:18 PM
Now I'm thinking, are there any states that allow duplication of US and state routes?
Yes, both Tennessee and Georgia do. There's a photo that floats around on occasion of US 27 and GA 27's intersection.
Tennessee's SR 70 is located reasonably close to its US counterpart. I'm pretty sure that TN 64 and US 64 are within a couple of dozen miles or so of each other, based on memory of traveling in the southern part of middle Tennessee in years past. Other duplications are more distant, such as TN and US 45.
Virginia also has both US and VA 13.
Kentucky has a couple of duplicates, but I only consider one of them (US/KY 79) to be real. US 52 does dip into the state briefly on two separate occasions in Pike County, but the route is maintained by WVDOT and is not officially on Kentucky's books.
TN 41 ends at US 41 in Goodlettsville, but since TN 41 is unsigned and duplexed with US 31W not many people realize it.
For Vermont, none of the following route numbers under 100 exist:
1
6
13
19-22 (though 19 formerly existed along today's VT 125)
24
27-29
32-34
37
39-43
45-52
54-57 (tho 56 used to exist along today's 16 east of Barton)
59-61
68-72 (68 formerly existed)
75-77
79-88
90
92
94-99
If Vermont doesn't rank at #2 for the quantity of route numbers under 100 that have never been used (56 of them), it's a big contender. Alaska has more unused numbers, but I can't think of another state that comes close.
Nevada and Arizona probably rank above Vermont.
Quote from: 1 on January 30, 2020, 09:38:25 PM
Nevada and Arizona probably rank above Vermont.
I already broke down Arizona up thread, it definitely is more stingy then Vermont. Nevada definitely is right up there wit not having a lot of low highway numbers with; US 6, I-15, NV 28, US 50, I-80, NV 88, US 93, and US 95 below 100.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 31, 2020, 12:10:21 AM
Nevada definitely is right up there wit not having a lot of low highway numbers with; US 6, I-15, NV 28, US 50, I-80, NV 88, US 93, and US 95 below 100.
It takes the prize for fewest currently-used numbers under 100, with only 8 compared to Alaska's 12 (though unlike Nevada, Alaska has nothing 100 or higher). But what about former Nevada routes, to match froggie's Vermont list which included former routes? (AFAIK, there are no former Alaska routes, at least post-statehood.) I know about NV 8A (saw the sign, just past the east end of CA 299), but are there other low-numbered former Nevada routes?
Quote from: oscar on January 31, 2020, 01:16:04 AM
are there other low-numbered former Nevada routes?
Yes, including the vast majority of 1- and 2-digit numbers. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_routes_in_Nevada_prior_to_1976)
CT is missing a lot under 100. 13, 18, 23, 24, 26, 28, 29, 36, 38, 46, 48, 50-52, 54, 56, 60, 62, 65, 76, 86, 88, 90, 92, 93, 96, and 98. From what I remember:
18 was the old number for the east end of what is now CT 372.
29 was an old number for a route in Fairfield County
51 was the number for US 1 between Old Lyme and East Lyme when US 1 stayed on I-95.
52 was promoted to I-395
65 was used for the old CT 8 when CT 8 followed what is now CT 113 to Stratford.
86 was I-86. Never reused
90 was omitted to avoid confusion with I-90 in MA
93 was changed to 169 to accommodate MA when I-93 came to be and they renumbered it
The full list of MN under 100:
17 (previously discussed)
31 (most recent iteration absorbed to commission MN 200 around 1970)
49 (decommissioned around 2000)
66 (most recent iteration decommissioned 2017)
81 (was part of old US 52/MN 152 in Minneapolis, now a major county road)
82 (absorbed into MN 9)
85 (absorbed into MN 200)
88 (former alignment of US 8 in Minneapolis, decommissioned late 1980s)
98 (former alignment of US 8 in Chisago County, decommissioned late 1990s)
Quote from: 1 on January 29, 2020, 06:43:51 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on January 29, 2020, 06:37:58 PM
There is no longer a 15 in MA.
There is; it's an extension of RI 15.
There are no signs for such on that road. All you get is a "TO MA 152" sign eastbound (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8731148,-71.337638,3a,40y,130.83h,87.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saPrER4r-i6jhBoOFN6p9dg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), and absolutely nothing westbound.
Nonetheless, if you look at the state's GIS basemap (http://massgis.maps.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?useExisting=1&layers=da4785ee866c4cbba1d80f5096ae0db4), it does indeed label that section of road as route 15. Which is weird because MassDOT is normally not in the habit of assigning numbers to roads and then not signing them, they just leave roads they maintain but don't want to post a number on unnumbered.
Anyway since no one has mentioned New York yet... 47 and 57 are the only numbers under 100 not used in any capacity.
That said, New York is a state that makes some effort to avoid duplicating numbers, but not thoroughly. To this end, there is currently no NY 1, 4, 6, 9, 44, 62, 87, or 99, and at least one of those was explicitly renumbered to avoid duplication. But at the same time, NY 2, 78, 81, 88, 90, and 95 coexist with a US or Interstate route of the same number (as do NY 190, 278, 290, 295, and 695).
Iowa has gone since the 40's without Highway 11. Much of what used to be Highway 11 is now IA 150. There's no Highway 19, either.
Nebraska does not have a Highway 3. US 136 used to be NE 3.
South Dakota is like Wisconsin in that there is no state highway below 11.
Quote from: Duke87 on January 31, 2020, 01:53:02 AM
Quote from: 1 on January 29, 2020, 06:43:51 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on January 29, 2020, 06:37:58 PM
There is no longer a 15 in MA.
There is; it's an extension of RI 15.
There are no signs for such on that road. All you get is a "TO MA 152" sign eastbound (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8731148,-71.337638,3a,40y,130.83h,87.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saPrER4r-i6jhBoOFN6p9dg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), and absolutely nothing westbound.
Using a CT 152 shield nonetheless.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on January 31, 2020, 01:32:05 AM
CT is missing a lot under 100. 13, 18, 23, 24, 26, 28, 29, 36, 38, 46, 48, 50-52, 54, 56, 60, 62, 65, 76, 86, 88, 90, 92, 93, 96, and 98. From what I remember:
18 was the old number for the east end of what is now CT 372.
29 was an old number for a route in Fairfield County
51 was the number for US 1 between Old Lyme and East Lyme when US 1 stayed on I-95.
52 was promoted to I-395
65 was used for the old CT 8 when CT 8 followed what is now CT 113 to Stratford.
86 was I-86. Never reused
90 was omitted to avoid confusion with I-90 in MA
93 was changed to 169 to accommodate MA when I-93 came to be and they renumbered it
A couple others:
CT 76 existed as North Street in Windsor Locks
CT 86 was also the north-south segment of today's CT 156
It's mildly interesting how CT seems to dislike x6 and x8 numbers. 20 available, 12 never used
Quote from: Konza on January 29, 2020, 05:19:57 PM
Illinois doesn't have a state route 11; it was usurped by US 40, and hasn't been used since.
Other route numbers <100 not currently assigned to a state, US, or Interstate route in Illinois: 27, 42, 44, 46, 63, 65, 69, 77, 79, 85, 86, 87, 93, 95.
Gonna go ahead and correct this. For a complete list of Illinois State, Interstate, and US highways (in that order), check this album of Illinois highway shields (https://flic.kr/s/aHsktMPart), because I've snagged a picture of every single one. Numbers under 100 unused in Illinois: 11, 27, 28, 42, 44, 46, 63, 65, 66, 69, 77, 79, 85, 86, and 87. The range of 30-90 was correct.
In response to a more recent diatribe, the following numbers are duplicated in Illinois: 6, 14, 24, 34, 40, 41, 50, 54, 57, 60 (barely), 62 (barely), 64, 70, 72, 90, 94, 155, 172, 180, 255 (kinda).
Quote from: oscar on January 31, 2020, 01:16:04 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 31, 2020, 12:10:21 AM
Nevada definitely is right up there wit not having a lot of low highway numbers with; US 6, I-15, NV 28, US 50, I-80, NV 88, US 93, and US 95 below 100.
It takes the prize for fewest currently-used numbers under 100, with only 8 compared to Alaska's 12 (though unlike Nevada, Alaska has nothing 100 or higher). But what about former Nevada routes, to match froggie's Vermont list which included former routes? (AFAIK, there are no former Alaska routes, at least post-statehood.) I know about NV 8A (saw the sign, just past the east end of CA 299), but are there other low-numbered former Nevada routes?
All those weird ones like 8A which still have stray signs are either renumbered or decommissioned. 8A for example was defined by the state legislature but was always locally maintained. I've seen map references for NV 3C while scouting Bodie Road East to Aurora but never seen a field sign. Off the top of my head those are the only two that I know that there is a least a modern reference for, it is almost certain that there are more.
Edit: I seem to recall NV 34 had a couple signs too but it's been a really long time since I've driven 8A through Vya so I could be remembering that wrong.
Quote from: paulthemapguy on January 31, 2020, 11:28:16 AM
Quote from: Konza on January 29, 2020, 05:19:57 PM
Illinois doesn't have a state route 11; it was usurped by US 40, and hasn't been used since.
Other route numbers <100 not currently assigned to a state, US, or Interstate route in Illinois: 27, 42, 44, 46, 63, 65, 69, 77, 79, 85, 86, 87, 93, 95.
Gonna go ahead and correct this. For a complete list of Illinois State, Interstate, and US highways (in that order), check this album of Illinois highway shields (https://flic.kr/s/aHsktMPart), because I've snagged a picture of every single one. Numbers under 100 unused in Illinois: 11, 27, 28, 42, 44, 46, 63, 65, 66, 69, 77, 79, 85, 86, and 87. The range of 30-90 was correct.
In response to a more recent diatribe, the following numbers are duplicated in Illinois: 6, 14, 24, 34, 40, 41, 50, 54, 57, 60 (barely), 62 (barely), 64, 70, 72, 90, 94, 155, 172, 180, 255 (kinda).
Thanks for the correction. I'm old enough to remember seeing IL 42 signs on Sheridan Road, IL 63 signs on Midlothian Road from Lake Zurich to Mundelein, IL 65 in and between downtown Naperville and Aurora, and "Chicago" or "St. Louis" signs over the US 66 shield before I-55 was completed and US 66 decommissioned.
So are Kentucky, Georgia, and Alabama the only states with only one missing number in the first 100 (with a caveat on Alabama's hidden numbers)?
Other numbers over 100 that seem to be common are:
101, with 32 states still using it; three more with US 101 signed.
102, in 31 states
103, in 36 states
110, in 38 states, including I-110 in 5 states
120, in 35 states
Quote from: formulanone on January 31, 2020, 07:55:56 PM
So are Kentucky, Georgia, and Alabama the only states with only one missing number in the first 100 (with a caveat on Alabama's hidden numbers)?
Other numbers over 100 that seem to be common are:
101, with 32 states still using it; three more with US 101 signed.
102, in 31 states
103, in 36 states
110, in 38 states, including I-110 in 5 states
120, in 35 states
Louisiana is only missing 32 if you count 7 from previous routes.
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Quote from: bassoon1986 on January 29, 2020, 09:56:00 PM
Louisiana does not have these numbered state highways:
7- was taken over by newly commissioned US 371 in the 90's
32- never had one in the old numbering system or the current one.
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32 existed as a spur to the State Capitol for a brief period in 1955. Pretty sure there was a 32 in the old system also, but I don't remember where.
Also 166 previous existed 1955-1960 in Bossier Parish, but has been unused since.
Michigan is currently missing 4, 7, 9, 16, 56, 70, 74, 76, 87, 92, and 98. Each of these numbers has been in use at some point though. (The first number never used in Michigan would be 128.)
Quote from: Brandon on January 29, 2020, 04:52:32 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 29, 2020, 04:48:44 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 29, 2020, 04:39:06 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 29, 2020, 04:21:11 PM
WI is obviously infamous for having no state routes lower than 11.
Then most 2-digit highways including state, US, and Interstate highways are used. Currently missing are 62, 74, 84, 99
I do see that Wisconsin has US-2, US-8, and US-10.
Yes, Highway 2, Highway 8, and Highway 10. :-P
Would this actually be the reason? No duplicates?
Not that this means anything for 1, 3, 4, 5 etc...
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Quote from: Brandon on January 29, 2020, 04:52:32 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 29, 2020, 04:48:44 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 29, 2020, 04:39:06 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 29, 2020, 04:21:11 PM
WI is obviously infamous for having no state routes lower than 11.
Then most 2-digit highways including state, US, and Interstate highways are used. Currently missing are 62, 74, 84, 99
I do see that Wisconsin has US-2, US-8, and US-10.
Yes, Highway 2, Highway 8, and Highway 10. :-P
Would this actually be the reason? No duplicates?
Not that this means anything for 1, 3, 4, 5 etc...
Everything is Wisconsin is "HWY" or "Highway". The locals and the DOT (WisDOT) do not make any distinction between types of routes when using the number.
The lowest number in NJ that hasn't been used is 16.
Texas doesn't have a State Highway 1. The original version ran roughly along I-10 from El Paso to I-20, the roughly along I-20 to DFW (going through Mineral Wells), and then roughly along I-30 to Texarkana. In 1939 it was reduced to a short section in Dallas. In 1953 to designation was removed. In the designation file, it says "NOTE: THIS STATE HIGHWAY NUMBER MAY ONLY BE ASSIGNED BY THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OR THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION."
At one time, the commission just ordered a designation, and the number was assigned administratively, generally with the lowest unused number. These days, the commission minute orders define the number to be assigned, so it wouldn't be used without commission approval, anyway. Apparently they're holding this number for some special purpose. After holding it for nearly 70 years, the purpose for which it's used will have to be pretty special. I'd like to see it replace FM 1933, which is a loop through Mentone. It goes three blocks northwest from SH 302, one block northeast, and then three blocks back to SH 302.
Quote from: wxfree on February 01, 2020, 11:33:38 AM
Texas doesn't have a State Highway 1. The original version ran roughly along I-10 from El Paso to I-20, the roughly along I-20 to DFW (going through Mineral Wells), and then roughly along I-30 to Texarkana. In 1939 it was reduced to a short section in Dallas. In 1953 to designation was removed. In the designation file, it says "NOTE: THIS STATE HIGHWAY NUMBER MAY ONLY BE ASSIGNED BY THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OR THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION."
Maybe not a SH 1, but there are multiple state-level highways numbered 1 in Texas like Loop 1, FM 1, Ranch Road 1, and NASA Road 1...
Quote from: Brandon on February 01, 2020, 09:06:06 AM
Quote from: mrose on February 01, 2020, 09:02:42 AM
Quote from: Brandon on January 29, 2020, 04:52:32 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 29, 2020, 04:48:44 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 29, 2020, 04:39:06 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 29, 2020, 04:21:11 PM
WI is obviously infamous for having no state routes lower than 11.
Then most 2-digit highways including state, US, and Interstate highways are used. Currently missing are 62, 74, 84, 99
I do see that Wisconsin has US-2, US-8, and US-10.
Yes, Highway 2, Highway 8, and Highway 10. :-P
Would this actually be the reason? No duplicates?
Not that this means anything for 1, 3, 4, 5 etc...
Everything is Wisconsin is "HWY" or "Highway". The locals and the DOT (WisDOT) do not make any distinction between types of routes when using the number.
There were no duplicates until 1996. 39 (Interstate), WI 794 (extension of I-794) and I-41 were since added.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 30, 2020, 01:09:32 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on January 29, 2020, 04:54:37 PM
TN 42 once existed from Sparta to US 127 at the KY border, but has since been renumbered to TN 111. Pretty sure that's the lowest missing number from TN's system.
HB, did you mention how WV does not have a primary highway 1?
Nope, I forgot about there being no WV 1. There are plenty of CR 1's, though.
Last time I was across TN 111, I noticed there are still a few mileage markers that have the "42" designation on them. They're on the four-lane segment south of Livingston.
On your old WV Highways late from years ago, that was where I learned that WV has never had a primary 1.
I find that odd that you would see mike markers with 42 on them on that particular stretch of 111. Back in the mid-90's when I was going to Tennessee Tech, 111 and 42 were co-signed (sort of) from Algood through Livingston all the way to the end at US 127, and it was still only two lanes from the Putnam-Overton Co line to the Livingston city limits. I figured they would have put up correct mile markers after they twinned it!
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Quote from: hbelkins on January 30, 2020, 01:09:32 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on January 29, 2020, 04:54:37 PM
TN 42 once existed from Sparta to US 127 at the KY border, but has since been renumbered to TN 111. Pretty sure that's the lowest missing number from TN's system.
HB, did you mention how WV does not have a primary highway 1?
Nope, I forgot about there being no WV 1. There are plenty of CR 1's, though.
Last time I was across TN 111, I noticed there are still a few mileage markers that have the "42" designation on them. They're on the four-lane segment south of Livingston.
On your old WV Highways late from years ago, that was where I learned that WV has never had a primary 1.
I find that odd that you would see mike markers with 42 on them on that particular stretch of 111. Back in the mid-90's when I was going to Tennessee Tech, 111 and 42 were co-signed (sort of) from Algood through Livingston all the way to the end at US 127, and it was still only two lanes from the Putnam-Overton Co line to the Livingston city limits. I figured they would have put up correct mile markers after they twinned it!
West Virginia definitely had a route 1
See - http://www.vahighways.com/wvannex/route-log/wv001.htm
Quote from: Big John on February 01, 2020, 12:17:39 PM
Quote from: Brandon on February 01, 2020, 09:06:06 AM
Quote from: mrose on February 01, 2020, 09:02:42 AM
Quote from: Brandon on January 29, 2020, 04:52:32 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 29, 2020, 04:48:44 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 29, 2020, 04:39:06 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 29, 2020, 04:21:11 PM
WI is obviously infamous for having no state routes lower than 11.
Then most 2-digit highways including state, US, and Interstate highways are used. Currently missing are 62, 74, 84, 99
I do see that Wisconsin has US-2, US-8, and US-10.
Yes, Highway 2, Highway 8, and Highway 10. :-P
Would this actually be the reason? No duplicates?
Not that this means anything for 1, 3, 4, 5 etc...
Everything is Wisconsin is "HWY" or "Highway". The locals and the DOT (WisDOT) do not make any distinction between types of routes when using the number.
There were no duplicates until 1996. 39 (Interstate), WI 794 (extension of I-794) and I-41 were since added.
But, of those, only 39 sticks out like a sore thumb. Highway 794 just becomes Highway 794 with signals (freeway to expressway), and Highway 41 follows Highway 41.
Before the advent of freeways and apart from the six radial highways numbered with Roman numerals (which have been recently switched to Arabic ones) there was no highway in Spain numbered anything below 100. Even today there are unused 2 digit numbers in the entirety of Spain (mostly in the 80s and 90s), and others as low as 18 are only assigned to minor roads.
Quote from: GaryV on January 30, 2020, 07:32:15 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 30, 2020, 05:54:04 AM
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Now I'm thinking, are there any states that allow duplication of US and state routes?
NY has most of the low numbers in its state route system: NY 2, NY 3, NY 5, NY 7, NY 8, NY 10.
And we have US 1, US 4, US 6, and US 9, so that explains those omissions. This trend seems to continue, with US 11, NY 12 and 13, and so on.
In fact, it appears that 47 is the lowest number, and the only number below 50, not used at the state or US level. Higher than I thought! Can any other state go higher, possibly even triple digits, claiming ALL numbers 1-99?
Michigan must allow it. There's US-8 and M-8, US-10 and M-10, US-45 and M-45. There might be another one I always seem to miss one or two.
You forgot 24.
There used to be other duplicate M and US numbers: 25, 27, 33, 112, 131.
Lol I always seem to miss one or two of them. And the two 24's are in basically the same area and even intersected at one time with the southern terminus of M-24 and the northern terminus of US-24 in Pontiac.
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 30, 2020, 07:40:57 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 30, 2020, 06:00:29 AM
I know Indiana doesn't allow it. The state highways follow the same system the US highway system does. Even highways run east and west and start with 2 in the northern part of the state and odd highways run north and south and start with 1 in the eastern part of the state.
In fact I believe one of the US highways I think it's US-40 falls in the same area that Indiana 40 would be in. It's in between Indiana 38 and 42. US-6 I believe falls in that as well.
Yes, Indiana does not allow US/State route duplication. IN 35 was renumbered to IN 135 when US 35 was introduced into Indiana. IN 6 coincidentally was the route that US 6 took through the state.
Duplication of Interstate/State routes is allowed. 64, 69, and 70 all exist on both state routes and interstates.
To me 64 being duplicated is strange since IN-64 runs parrellel not too far north of I-64. And has it's eastern terminus at I-64.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 31, 2020, 12:35:31 PM
Quote from: oscar on January 31, 2020, 01:16:04 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 31, 2020, 12:10:21 AM
Nevada definitely is right up there wit not having a lot of low highway numbers with; US 6, I-15, NV 28, US 50, I-80, NV 88, US 93, and US 95 below 100.
It takes the prize for fewest currently-used numbers under 100, with only 8 compared to Alaska's 12 (though unlike Nevada, Alaska has nothing 100 or higher). But what about former Nevada routes, to match froggie's Vermont list which included former routes? (AFAIK, there are no former Alaska routes, at least post-statehood.) I know about NV 8A (saw the sign, just past the east end of CA 299), but are there other low-numbered former Nevada routes?
All those weird ones like 8A which still have stray signs are either renumbered or decommissioned. 8A for example was defined by the state legislature but was always locally maintained. I've seen map references for NV 3C while scouting Bodie Road East to Aurora but never seen a field sign. Off the top of my head those are the only two that I know that there is a least a modern reference for, it is almost certain that there are more.
Edit: I seem to recall NV 34 had a couple signs too but it's been a really long time since I've driven 8A through Vya so I could be remembering that wrong.
Forgot I-11
Quote from: 1 on January 29, 2020, 06:43:51 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on January 29, 2020, 06:37:58 PM
There is no longer a 15 in MA.
There is; it's an extension of RI 15.
While true; some sources
still view/list the lower portion of Haynes St., south of River Rd., in Sturbridge as
Route 15 (pre-Wilbur Cross Highway). If one obtains a printed receipt from the Sturbridge Pilot station situated in between the two I-84 overpasses; such lists the street address as
400 Route 15 rather than
400 Haynes St. Mind you, I'm not saying that it's still officially such; but some still haven't given up the proverbial Route 15-ghost in that area.
To avoid duplication with U.S. routes, the following state highways are non-existent in Maryland: 1, 11, 13, 15, 29, 40 and 50. There is also no MD-9 for no reason in particular, although a state road map from about 1979 showed a MD-9 in place of MD-140 from Reisterstown to the Pennsylvania line near Emmitsburg. This was before I-795 was built and would have resulted in a three-way state route terminus at Reisterstown, as MD-140 would have ended there and MD-30 has its southern terminus there.
68 was retired in Arkansas (replaced by US 412), as were 2 and 3 (replaced by US 82, US 79). AR 6 was replaced by US 270.
47 was replaced by US 62 and AR 37
40 is relegated to I-40 as is 30 to I-30., and 55 to I-55. 4 was truncated (now mostly US 278) as was AR 24 (now partly US 371)
471 was created then retired in the 1980's.
1 is a shadow of it's former self, partially replaced by US 49
Quote from: epzik8 on February 28, 2020, 09:01:13 PM
To avoid duplication with U.S. routes, the following state highways are non-existent in Maryland: 1, 11, 13, 15, 29, 40 and 50. There is also no MD-9 for no reason in particular, although a state road map from about 1979 showed a MD-9 in place of MD-140 from Reisterstown to the Pennsylvania line near Emmitsburg. This was before I-795 was built and would have resulted in a three-way state route terminus at Reisterstown, as MD-140 would have ended there and MD-30 has its southern terminus there.
There is no MD 9 because they changed their mind about that renumbering. But they did go through with renumbering MD 9 to MD 956 as part of the US 140 decommissioning. See reply #43 in this thread...
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 29, 2020, 02:42:57 PM
In Indiana, 21 and 34 don't exist. They used to, before being replaced by US 35 and 136, respectively, and they were never recycled. Only numbers < 72 in Indiana that aren't on an US or state highway.
Indiana does have a 75 but I believe that is the highest 2 digit. It used to have one as high as 79 but none of the numbers in the 80's or 90's were ever used.
K-6 was replaced by other routes, mostly U.S. 59. K-12 was decommissioned when it became annexed entirely into the city limits of the towns along its route, which is not allowed under KDOT policy.
K-17 was decommissioned in 2013 when K-14 was rerouted. Part of the old routing of K-14 was designated K-11, which had not existed since a previous version was decommissioned in the late 1950s (the original K-11 is now K-99).
Quote from: apeman33 on March 05, 2020, 01:52:40 PMK-12 was decommissioned when it became annexed entirely into the city limits of the towns along its route, which is not allowed under KDOT policy.
That policy wouldn't work in some of the New England states, as it would mean no numbered routes could exist at all.
Quote from: apeman33 on March 05, 2020, 01:52:40 PM
K-6 was replaced by other routes, mostly U.S. 59. K-12 was decommissioned when it became annexed entirely into the city limits of the towns along its route, which is not allowed under KDOT policy.
K-17 was decommissioned in 2013 when K-14 was rerouted. Part of the old routing of K-14 was designated K-11, which had not existed since a previous version was decommissioned in the late 1950s (the original K-11 is now K-99).
So that means that a state highway can't start in a city and end in the same city or a continuation of cities? If so that makes sense.
Quote from: Flint1979 on March 09, 2020, 11:16:27 PM
Quote from: apeman33 on March 05, 2020, 01:52:40 PM
K-6 was replaced by other routes, mostly U.S. 59. K-12 was decommissioned when it became annexed entirely into the city limits of the towns along its route, which is not allowed under KDOT policy.
K-17 was decommissioned in 2013 when K-14 was rerouted. Part of the old routing of K-14 was designated K-11, which had not existed since a previous version was decommissioned in the late 1950s (the original K-11 is now K-99).
So that means that a state highway can't start in a city and end in the same city or a continuation of cities? If so that makes sense.
Yes, exactly. It has led to the decommissioning of several short K-spurs after the cities they served decided to annex along the route leading up to the intersection of a through highway or exit to an interstate.
Quote from: apeman33 on March 16, 2020, 06:02:27 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on March 09, 2020, 11:16:27 PM
Quote from: apeman33 on March 05, 2020, 01:52:40 PM
K-6 was replaced by other routes, mostly U.S. 59. K-12 was decommissioned when it became annexed entirely into the city limits of the towns along its route, which is not allowed under KDOT policy.
K-17 was decommissioned in 2013 when K-14 was rerouted. Part of the old routing of K-14 was designated K-11, which had not existed since a previous version was decommissioned in the late 1950s (the original K-11 is now K-99).
So that means that a state highway can't start in a city and end in the same city or a continuation of cities? If so that makes sense.
Yes, exactly. It has led to the decommissioning of several short K-spurs after the cities they served decided to annex along the route leading up to the intersection of a through highway or exit to an interstate.
Care to elaborate? Is there a policy that a signed state route must connect two towns or something?
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 09, 2020, 08:11:21 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 30, 2020, 07:40:57 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 30, 2020, 06:00:29 AM
I know Indiana doesn't allow it. The state highways follow the same system the US highway system does. Even highways run east and west and start with 2 in the northern part of the state and odd highways run north and south and start with 1 in the eastern part of the state.
In fact I believe one of the US highways I think it's US-40 falls in the same area that Indiana 40 would be in. It's in between Indiana 38 and 42. US-6 I believe falls in that as well.
Yes, Indiana does not allow US/State route duplication. IN 35 was renumbered to IN 135 when US 35 was introduced into Indiana. IN 6 coincidentally was the route that US 6 took through the state.
Duplication of Interstate/State routes is allowed. 64, 69, and 70 all exist on both state routes and interstates.
To me 64 being duplicated is strange since IN-64 runs parrellel not too far north of I-64. And has it's eastern terminus at I-64.
And now IN 69 isn't far from I-69 either.
Quote from: Rothman on January 29, 2020, 09:45:18 PM
US 2 is signed in NY (as well as NY 2). :D
It's logged as 2U though. Longest distance for sure for a suffixed route from its parent! :)
Quote from: hbelkins on March 17, 2020, 12:17:51 PM
Quote from: apeman33 on March 16, 2020, 06:02:27 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on March 09, 2020, 11:16:27 PM
Quote from: apeman33 on March 05, 2020, 01:52:40 PM
K-6 was replaced by other routes, mostly U.S. 59. K-12 was decommissioned when it became annexed entirely into the city limits of the towns along its route, which is not allowed under KDOT policy.
K-17 was decommissioned in 2013 when K-14 was rerouted. Part of the old routing of K-14 was designated K-11, which had not existed since a previous version was decommissioned in the late 1950s (the original K-11 is now K-99).
So that means that a state highway can't start in a city and end in the same city or a continuation of cities? If so that makes sense.
Yes, exactly. It has led to the decommissioning of several short K-spurs after the cities they served decided to annex along the route leading up to the intersection of a through highway or exit to an interstate.
Care to elaborate? Is there a policy that a signed state route must connect two towns or something?
As I understand it, it must pass through unincorporated territory at some point.
Quote from: US 89 on February 01, 2020, 12:15:49 PM
Quote from: wxfree on February 01, 2020, 11:33:38 AM
Texas doesn't have a State Highway 1. The original version ran roughly along I-10 from El Paso to I-20, the roughly along I-20 to DFW (going through Mineral Wells), and then roughly along I-30 to Texarkana. In 1939 it was reduced to a short section in Dallas. In 1953 to designation was removed. In the designation file, it says "NOTE: THIS STATE HIGHWAY NUMBER MAY ONLY BE ASSIGNED BY THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OR THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION."
Maybe not a SH 1, but there are multiple state-level highways numbered 1 in Texas like Loop 1, FM 1, Ranch Road 1, and NASA Road 1...
Actually, there is a Loop 1 and an FM 1...but not an RM 1...FM and RM routes don't duplicate numbers...they are one system. NASA Road 1 I don't think counts as a "1"...its just a regular state highway
There is no SH 2, 28, 38...and a few others though.
Quote from: achilles765 on January 10, 2022, 06:27:38 AM
Quote from: US 89 on February 01, 2020, 12:15:49 PM
Quote from: wxfree on February 01, 2020, 11:33:38 AM
Texas doesn't have a State Highway 1. The original version ran roughly along I-10 from El Paso to I-20, the roughly along I-20 to DFW (going through Mineral Wells), and then roughly along I-30 to Texarkana. In 1939 it was reduced to a short section in Dallas. In 1953 to designation was removed. In the designation file, it says "NOTE: THIS STATE HIGHWAY NUMBER MAY ONLY BE ASSIGNED BY THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OR THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION."
Maybe not a SH 1, but there are multiple state-level highways numbered 1 in Texas like Loop 1, FM 1, Ranch Road 1, and NASA Road 1...
Actually, there is a Loop 1 and an FM 1...but not an RM 1...FM and RM routes don't duplicate numbers...they are one system. NASA Road 1 I don't think counts as a "1"...its just a regular state highway
There is no SH 2, 28, 38...and a few others though.
You forgot about I-2 in the Rio Grande Valley.
Virginia currently does not have a Route 12, a Route 44, or a Route 104.
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on January 10, 2022, 08:48:47 AM
Virginia currently does not have a Route 12, a Route 44, or a Route 104.
Nor a route 25 or 88
Quote from: achilles765 on January 10, 2022, 06:27:38 AM
Quote from: US 89 on February 01, 2020, 12:15:49 PM
Quote from: wxfree on February 01, 2020, 11:33:38 AM
Texas doesn't have a State Highway 1. The original version ran roughly along I-10 from El Paso to I-20, the roughly along I-20 to DFW (going through Mineral Wells), and then roughly along I-30 to Texarkana. In 1939 it was reduced to a short section in Dallas. In 1953 to designation was removed. In the designation file, it says "NOTE: THIS STATE HIGHWAY NUMBER MAY ONLY BE ASSIGNED BY THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OR THE TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION."
Maybe not a SH 1, but there are multiple state-level highways numbered 1 in Texas like Loop 1, FM 1, Ranch Road 1, and NASA Road 1...
Actually, there is a Loop 1 and an FM 1...but not an RM 1...FM and RM routes don't duplicate numbers...they are one system. NASA Road 1 I don't think counts as a "1"...its just a regular state highway
Not RM 1, Ranch Road 1, the road that goes by LBJ's ranch. Although you probably don't think that counts, given that it is the only "Ranch Road" in the state...
Not sure how I ever missed this thread:
Quote from: wriddle082 on January 29, 2020, 04:54:37 PM
HB, did you mention how WV does not have a primary highway 1?
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 30, 2020, 02:20:09 PM
There's no WV-1 either.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 30, 2020, 01:09:32 PM
Nope, I forgot about there being no WV 1. There are plenty of CR 1's, though.
Quote from: Mapmikey on February 01, 2020, 05:28:25 PM
West Virginia definitely had a route 1
See - http://www.vahighways.com/wvannex/route-log/wv001.htm
Quote from: wriddle082 on February 01, 2020, 02:13:22 PM
On your old WV Highways late from years ago, that was where I learned that WV has never had a primary 1.
And to make things worse, here's some more of this mess from the Appalachian Corridor D thread:
Quote from: Mapmikey on November 09, 2021, 07:29:19 PM
the 1938 Official has the one-way couplet in Clarksburg using Oak St to get back to Pike St.
The WV 1 (http://vahighways.com/wvannex/route-log/wv001.htm) page attempts to identify the 1926 routing of US 50...
Quote from: Dirt Roads on November 09, 2021, 09:37:55 PM
We were taught in West Virginia History Class that WV Route 1 was the old Staunton-Parkersburg Turnpike. Much later in life do I find out that WV-1 became US-50 over its entire length. They are nearly the same west of Clarksburg, but the history fact book had this all wrong. Wish I could find a copy.
Quote from: Bitmapped on November 10, 2021, 10:42:06 AM
The Staunton-Parkersburg Turnpike didn't go near Clarksburg. It passed through Weston.
Quote from: Dirt Roads on November 10, 2021, 05:41:58 PM
Oops. I saw Elkins, Buckhannon and Weston on the map and kept thinking Elkins, Philippi and Clarksburg. I've travelled WV-47 a bunch of times and <remainder of post now missing>
So to clarify, the old West Virginia History textbook (which I still can't find) said some thing like:
Quote from: pseudo-quote
The original West Virginia Route 1 was the old Staunton-Parkersburg Turnpike. It has since been replaced by US-50 and US-250.
Looking back at this, there are so many things wrong here. It doesn't appear that any of WV-1 was ever located along the Staunton-Parkersburg Turnpike (as
Bitmapped eluded to, much of the western end of the Staunton-Parkersburg Turnpike is now WV-47, but it veered off and went to Weston). And although it may be correct from a view from Outer Space, it is also not technically correct that the Staunton-Parkersburg Turnpike was replaced by US-50 and US-250. There are some facts that would be better to forget.
Doesn't look like anyone ever did Colorado in this thread. We can categorize those that we're missing under 100 like so:
Don't Currently Exist to Prevent Confusion with U.S. Highways or Interstates
CO6, CO24, CO25, CO34, CO50, CO70, CO84, CO85, CO87
Used To Exist But Don't Share Numbers with Current U.S. Highways or Interstates
CO4 - Became I-70 and US24 between Utah and Kansas
CO19 - Became US550 between New Mexico and Montrose
CO20 - Became US50, BL70, and US6 near Grand Junction
CO31 - Became County Line Road (between Arapahoe and Douglas Counties)
CO43 - Was a spur from US24 to Bethune, currently CR40
CO48 - Was a spur from CO109 (now CR109) west near Hugo (don't know which road it is currently)
CO49 - Became US36 between Denver and Boulder
CO54 - Became US34 between Brush and Nebraska
CO73 - Downgraded to Jefferson CR 73
CO77 - Downgraded to Park CR77
CO81 - Became I-76 between Denver and Wiggins
CO98 - Became CO74 between Evergreen and Brookvale
CO99 - Became CO142 between San Luis and Costilla CR10, and then CR10 down to New Mexico
I believe that in Nevada, almost all of the state highway numbers are 3 digits; the few two-digit numbers are extensions of highways in other states (for example, NV 28 in the Lake Tahoe area, which is a continuation of CA 28). Is that right?
Quote from: KCRoadFan on January 10, 2022, 02:43:18 PM
I believe that in Nevada, almost all of the state highway numbers are 3 digits; the few two-digit numbers are extensions of highways in other states (for example, NV 28 in the Lake Tahoe area, which is a continuation of CA 28). Is that right?
Yes. Since 1976, most all of Nevada's primary state routes have 3-digit numbers in the 100-499 range, which are clustered by the county they're in, in alphabetical order. The next block of numbers (500-699) is for urban state routes, which are clustered by metropolitan area city name in alphabetical order (Carson City, Elko, Las Vegas, Reno). Finally, the last block (700-899) is for secondary state routes, again clustered by county in alphabetical order.
There are only three exceptions to this rule, and they are all primary state highways that connect to something in another state: the aforementioned NV 28, as well as NV 88 (connects to CA 88) and NV 140 (connects to OR 140).