I find small towns with heavy truck traffic on their surface streets really intriguing.
Clearly, the interstate system bypassed many small towns, but what are some examples of where trucks are still using the original routes from the pre-interstate era right through the heart of small towns and cities?
Here are some examples I've found:
Lewisburg, PA (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9639081,-76.8924171,3a,20.7y,182.93h,88.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGheQbz_qdFLKoG4zYuuGeQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1). The Central Susquehanna Valley Transportation Project (CSVT), when complete, will improve regional connectivity and help popularize the freeway across the river, re-routing trucks from the overwhelmed US-15.
Fultonville/Fonda, NY (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9547685,-74.3701706,3a,75y,328.5h,79.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdyqooC42uoLZKaJAN5qhZA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1). Several long-haul state routes converge near a Walmart Distribution Center and major Thruway entrance truck stop.
Corning, AR (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4112606,-90.5870243,3a,75y,321.03h,78.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soHS1DjqoxtkrALris8g0-g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1). Truck traffic is constantly rolling through the heart of this small town of 3,500. Right on US-67, it's the approximate halfway point on the 350 mile journey between Little Rock and St. Louis.
Atoka, OK (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.3842799,-96.1290203,3a,75y,175.56h,77.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suoo_rmT8V_EK0xDIIliT5Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1). US-69 and US-75, both popular truck routes between DFW and the Midwest, converge just north of this town of 3,000.
Kramer Junction, CA (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9924411,-117.5427668,3a,51.6y,269.24h,85.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdfkgG-w62hxBU9nh-dGtYw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1). More of a truck stop than a town on one of the more famous corridors omitted from the interstate system, this section of CA-58 was finally bypassed, but you can see the constancy of the truck traffic in this historic Street View.
Obviously you don't have to link to Street View like I did - This is more just a general place to talk about these types of towns, maybe get some extreme examples, and discuss whether there are any long-term plans to bypass, widen, divert trucks to other routes, mitigate noise impacts to residents, and so on.
Bath, Pennsylvania, is a traffic nightmare. One truck turning on Chestnut Street (987) jams the entire town to a standstill. I would expect it to have at least an expressway bypass a la that of Trexlertown, PA--maybe reroute 329 along Jacksonville, 987 along Airport, and 512 and 248 along a potential Bath Belt.
Fredericksburg, TX (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.2717207,-98.8692955,12.88z/data=!5m1!1e1)
At the junction of US-290, US-87, SH-16. No interstates, no bypass. Busy truck traffic, mixed with being a tourist town with historical buildings, shops lining Main St, the National Museum of the Pacific War, Nimitz Museum, and more. Very interesting city.
A freeway bypass for US-290 and US-87 is currently planned however.
https://www.txdot.gov/inside-txdot/projects/studies/austin/fredericksburg-relief-route-study.html
https://www.txdot.gov/inside-txdot/get-involved/about/hearings-meetings/austin/072319.html
http://ftp.dot.state.tx.us/pub/txdot/get-involved/aus/fredericksburg-relief-route/072319-route-options.pdf
Page 23 (http://ftp.dot.state.tx.us/pub/txdot/get-involved/aus/fredericksburg-relief-route/072319-meeting-boards.pdf) - Design standards of new route, and why using an existing surface radial route is not feasible:
* high speed facility (~70 mph)
* controlled access facility
* four main lanes
* frontage roads to maintain local access
Los Banos is infamous for truck traffic since CA 152 is an expressway of both sides of town but a surface street in town. Kerman has a pretty high volume of trucks at times trying to get through on CA 145 and CA 180. Both locales are driven by the local agricultural industry which has a massive amount of freight volume. It kind of makes me wish much of the surplus railroads of the Central Valley didn't go under to provide some sort of shipping alternatives.
Chester, IL
Don't have the stats, but the Coal Trucks using the Mississippi River bridge (and the downtown Chester streets to reach it) to get from the Southern Illinois mines to the Missouri river ports is insane
Heber City, Utah has to be up there given its location at the junction of two major truck routes. Most of US 189 is freeway or expressway grade, so it makes a great truck bypass of Salt Lake City if you're coming from Wyoming and heading south on 15 (or vice versa). The other truck traffic stream has to do with the fact that there's a lot of oil and natural gas extraction activity in northeastern Utah along the Duchesne-Vernal corridor. Because there are no railroad lines out there, the vast majority of that oil is trucked over US 40 to refineries in the North Salt Lake area.
All of the small towns between I-10 near Jax along US 301 to Gainesville/I-75. Starke is among the biggest of them: https://www.google.com/maps/@29.939677,-82.1113282,3a,75y,335.76h,81.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7p9_VEpCzV32RIpm6ID2fw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
They recently built a bypass, much of their town is based upon business of that truck traffic so many fear the entire town will fall apart. I always found the line of vehicles getting on the highway at I-10 to be insane as well:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.2871287,-81.9829509,3a,15y,173.37h,91.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgnX91w_2GKoM6_owrSfRFQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
They also just added a new ramp so it no longer has a light, but that left turn previously would go back for miles on a regular basis. I never understood why more people didn't do what I always did, and pass it, make a U turn, and enter the highway from the other direction if they're not in a truck.
Until various four-lane sections were built on US 23 and KY 15, Prestonsburg, Paintsville, and Pikeville (23) and Hazard (15) had lots of coal truck traffic through.
Hillsboro, Loudoun County, Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsboro,_Loudoun_County,_Virginia), population 96 on VA-9 (Charles Town Pike). The municipal elected officials have complained loudly about the truck traffic on VA-9, though I am not sure what the origins and destinations are (to the west, probably Jefferson County, W.Va. or Berkeley County, W.Va.).
I was wondering about Batavia, NY, with trucks "shortcutting" up NY 63 from I-390.
Quote from: Rothman on March 29, 2020, 11:52:48 PM
I was wondering about Batavia, NY, with trucks "shortcutting" up NY 63 from I-390.
My goodness, not sure what was going on here (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0160697,-78.1911799,3a,75y,294.58h,76.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZCpaUR22EGCNs-Sz1ksOOg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) because it's not usually
that bad.
But yes, it is crazy how many trucks with Canadian plates you'll see on NY 63 and the southern half of I-390.
My (limited) experience with Batavia and surroundings actually has me wondering if a lot of those trucks take NY 63 only as far as US 20 and then take that to NY 77, avoiding Batavia and instead hitting up the TA truck stop at Pembroke before getting on the Thruway. It sure seems like Exit 48A (Pembroke) always has way more truck traffic than Exit 48 (Batavia), and I can't help but wonder if that's what's happening.
Morriston, ON is infamous for the two-lane portion of the busy Highway 6 which connects the 401 with the 403 (near the QEW).
Quote from: 7/8 on March 30, 2020, 10:56:28 AM
Morriston, ON is infamous for the two-lane portion of the busy Highway 6 which connects the 401 with the 403 (near the QEW).
Wow, no kidding (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4284061,-80.0861374,3a,75y,342.69h,81.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szzE_ByRu9Na6qlgYOAr1xg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)!
I've never been that far up Highway 6. It's quite a nice road between the 403 and Regional Rd 97, so I guess I just assumed it was four (or five) lanes all the way up to the 401. You don't notice the volume as much when it's spread out over four lanes, but we're basically talking about enough volume and certainly enough truck volume to warrant a full freeway on this corridor. That two-lane section is just crazy. It actually reminds me a lot of Highway 5 (between Clappisons Corners and Peters Corners is the stretch I'm most familiar with) just with way, way more trucks.
Boise City, Oklahoma famously had a lot of truck trarffic but it may or may not have been elimitanted
On the far western end of my state, I'm guessing Wickliffe sees a decent amount of truck traffic, being that's where the westernmost Ohio River crossing is on US 51/60/62. Trucks use the Cairo bridge, because their other choices are to cross the Mississippi on I-155 or the Ohio on I-24.
In Arizona Superior, Miami, and Globe on US 60 come to mind. All three communities are heavily involved in mining activity which of course requires materials be hauled almost constantly. US 60 between Superior and Miami was so bad that it actually has been recently improved. Miami and Globe are also great places for train spotting, the former has a pretty infamously bad at-grade crossing.
Quote from: webny99 on March 30, 2020, 12:24:02 AM
My goodness, not sure what was going on here (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0160697,-78.1911799,3a,75y,294.58h,76.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZCpaUR22EGCNs-Sz1ksOOg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) because it's not usually that bad.
Going the other way on the same day, it looks like they're doing traffic signal replacement work. (https://goo.gl/maps/7n7ZjLZHE387t6GX9)
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on March 30, 2020, 05:22:27 PM
Quote from: webny99 on March 30, 2020, 12:24:02 AM
My goodness, not sure what was going on here (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0160697,-78.1911799,3a,75y,294.58h,76.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZCpaUR22EGCNs-Sz1ksOOg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) because it's not usually that bad.
Going the other way on the same day, it looks like they're doing traffic signal replacement work. (https://goo.gl/maps/7n7ZjLZHE387t6GX9)
Nice find - that makes sense!
US 20 in Ohio between Toledo and Cleveland gets a lot of truck traffic, generated by both local traffic and longer range shunpikers.
The following towns have the 4 lane US 20 going right through their central business district: Woodville (2,135), Bellevue (8,202), Monroeville (1,400)
There's also Clyde (6,325), which has it as a 4 lane arterial that passes north of the central business district, and Wakeman (1,047), which is on the 2 lane portion.
Norwalk (17,012) and Fremont (16,734) have freeway bypasses.
Quote from: Buck87 on March 31, 2020, 01:58:27 PM
US 20 in Ohio between Toledo and Cleveland gets a lot of truck traffic, generated by both local traffic and longer range shunpikers.
The following towns have the 4 lane US 20 going right through their central business district: Woodville (2,135), Bellevue (8,202), Monroeville (1,400)
There's also Clyde (6,325), which has it as a 4 lane arterial that passes north of the central business district, and Wakeman (1,047), which is on the 2 lane portion.
Norwalk (17,012) and Fremont (16,734) have freeway bypasses.
Norwalk's high school sports teams are called the "Truckers". I always thought it was because of heavy truck traffic through there, which isn't really the reason. A Norwalk-based company formed in the mid-40's called Norwalk Truck Lines, which specialized in shipping various type of freight throughout the Midwest, was the inspiration, as detailed here:
http://www.norwalktruckers.net/Downloads/Why%20Are%20We%20the%20Truckers3.pdf
This thread has been going 48 hours. I can't believe no one has made the obligatory mention of this town: https://goo.gl/maps/kJTRkKjPzZ4xi8mN6
Quote from: theline on March 31, 2020, 11:05:55 PM
This thread has been going 48 hours. I can't believe no one has made the obligatory mention of this town: https://goo.gl/maps/kJTRkKjPzZ4xi8mN6
Ah, of course. I briefly thought of that while crafting the OP, but I guess I'm thinking more of cases where the truck route runs right through town and a full freeway bypass of the town is needed, not just a revamped interchange. So more like if I-76 didn't exist and all those trucks were actually using US-30 for long distance travel, instead of just getting between the non-connected interstates.
Well, I suppose this calls into question what a "town" is and what it means for truck traffic to be in the "heart of a small town" .
As has been observed before, Breezewood is not a town; it's not an incorporated municipality of any kind. But even setting technicalities aside, I'd argue that Breezewood lacks the attributes that make a town a town. In other words, it's not a community of residents centered around an identifiable town core with civic organizations, merchants selling at least basic necessities (groceries, general merchandise), a town bank, etc.
While a great deal of today's interstate truck traffic is on freeways, many trucking corridors are served primarily by non-limited access US and state routes, especially outside of the Northeast. And where these routes slice through a town, but do so on four or more lanes with broad setbacks in a mostly commercial/industrial landscape–like this scene on US 65 in Dumas, AR (https://goo.gl/maps/T4bYtGpzaGXxqfcH6)–I don't find that to be particularly remarkable.
I can't read the OP's mind, but to me, what would be novel about the notion of truck traffic on small town streets is this: Picture a quaint hamlet with its church on the town square, tidy homes, shopkeepers opening up for the morning, children walking down the sidewalk to school...and meanwhile, a continuous flow of tractor trailers roars down the narrow two-lane Main Street, making a 90° elbow at the town's lone signalized intersection.
Along those lines, I think there are better examples in the Susquehanna Valley than Lewisburg, since US 15 largely avoids the borough proper and is on a four-lane alignment that disregards Lewisburg's street grid, generally lacks sidewalks, and functions more like a commercially developed suburban/rural surface highway. US 15 also cuts through the Borough of Shamokin Dam on similar terms (also with high truck volumes), but that, too, doesn't feel much like the "heart of a small town" in my opinion.
I'd say a better nearby example is Northumberland, where high volumes of trucks either connect between the US 11/15 corridor and PA 147/I-180 (https://goo.gl/maps/AbPtUpthVi6fmLnh7) or simply follow US 11 (https://goo.gl/maps/DuGPX77SMZdsB6B49) or PA 147 (https://goo.gl/maps/nMoESbDRyLRK4wpB9), all of which make somewhat tortured connections via the borough's streets. With Weis Markets' headquarters a few miles south on PA 147 Sunbury, another Weis DC just northeast on US 11, and numerous industries along both the 147 and 11 corridors–in addition to through traffic–Northumberland is quite a nexus of truck traffic considering its size.
I think Monroe, NC qualifies, though its population is now over 35k per 2018 estimates. The tolled Monroe Bypass has done nothing to divert truck traffic away from US 74, probably because a lot of those trucks are headed towards US 601 and the Walmart Distribution Center in nearby Pageland, SC. And the trucks that aren't going there are staying on 74 towards Wilmington.
Cook, MN, pop. 574 (US 53/MN 1) comes to mind as a candidate for me right at the meeting point of Minnesota's timber and mining industries. It's at the north end of the US 53 expressway and is strategic enough for a McDonald's.
I think Rosendale is Wisconsin's winner. Trucks going to and from Oshkosh, Appleton, and Green Bay all use the WI-26 shortcut between I-41 and US-151. Trucks going between I-90/94 and Fond du Lac use WI-23.
Quote from: briantroutman on April 01, 2020, 02:13:02 AM
Well, I suppose this calls into question what a "town" is and what it means for truck traffic to be in the "heart of a small town" .
As has been observed before, Breezewood is not a town; it's not an incorporated municipality of any kind. But even setting technicalities aside, I'd argue that Breezewood lacks the attributes that make a town a town. In other words, it's not a community of residents centered around an identifiable town core with civic organizations, merchants selling at least basic necessities (groceries, general merchandise), a town bank, etc.
That's what I was getting at, but you put it much better. :thumbsup:
Quote from: briantroutman on April 01, 2020, 02:13:02 AM
I can't read the OP's mind, but to me, what would be novel about the notion of truck traffic on small town streets is this: Picture a quaint hamlet with its church on the town square, tidy homes, shopkeepers opening up for the morning, children walking down the sidewalk to school...and meanwhile, a continuous flow of tractor trailers roars down the narrow two-lane Main Street, making a 90° elbow at the town's lone signalized intersection.
Precisely, yes: On a scale of sorts, that would be an extremely fitting example. The Arkansas example you linked to would be the middle ground (semi-relevant), while Breezewood is basically a glorified truck stop and would be on the far end of the spectrum (least relevant).
Quote from: briantroutman on April 01, 2020, 02:13:02 AM
Along those lines, I think there are better examples in the Susquehanna Valley than Lewisburg
...
I'd say a better nearby example is Northumberland, where high volumes of trucks either connect between the US 11/15 corridor and PA 147/I-180 (https://goo.gl/maps/AbPtUpthVi6fmLnh7) or simply follow US 11 (https://goo.gl/maps/DuGPX77SMZdsB6B49) or PA 147 (https://goo.gl/maps/nMoESbDRyLRK4wpB9), all of which make somewhat tortured connections via the borough's streets.
No doubt, yes. I was cherry-picking from a few that came immediately to mind, and went with Lewisburg over Shamokin Dam simply because Lewisburg generally has a less commercialized feel, as alluded to above. Northumberland would be a true classic example, while Lewisburg fits into the semi-relevant category, and Shamokin Dam slightly less so.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 29, 2020, 05:18:04 PM
Los Banos is infamous for truck traffic since CA 152 is an expressway of both sides of town but a surface street in town. Kerman has a pretty high volume of trucks at times trying to get through on CA 145 and CA 180. Both locales are driven by the local agricultural industry which has a massive amount of freight volume. It kind of makes me wish much of the surplus railroads of the Central Valley didn't go under to provide some sort of shipping alternatives.
Although it doesn't go right through the central part of the city, CA 152 traverses a commercial area on the southeast side of Gilroy (that includes the infamously odiferous Christopher Ranch garlic processing plant); it can be a dangerous street to drive because of the large volume of stop-and-go truck traffic -- not to mention the eastbound section that drops from 3 lanes to 1 rather abruptly. And a lot of that traffic stays on 152 through Los Banos as Max has observed!
Regarding the truncation of the Valley rail lines, both Los Banos and Kerman were served by the old SP "Westside" line extending from Fresno west and northwest through Kerman, Mendota, Los Banos, Patterson, and finally Tracy, where it crossed and interchanged with the Lathrop-Niles line over the hill via Pleasanton, continuing on to Antioch and Martinez, finally merging with the main Oakland-Sacramento main line. As Max noted, it was primarily an agricultural server -- but it hosted one of the more famous/notorious semi-passenger runs that SP ever hosted -- the "mail train", which went from Los Angeles to Oakland via both the "eastside" Valley line via Porterville, Exeter, and Dinuba before rejoining the main Valley line just south of the Fresno SP passenger depot; it then went west on the Westside Line through Tracy before segueing onto the "Mococo" line through Antioch and Martinez, then dipping back south to Oakland. An overnight run (in both directions; the trains met in Fresno); it consisted of (besides the locomotive) several mail cars and a couple of passenger coaches at the rear. Because it was the slowest run between the two areas (leaving L.A. about 5 p.m and not getting into Oakland until about 10:30 the next morning, due to slowing or stopping in just about every town along the way to drop off and pick up mail sacks, it featured the lowest intercity fares (in the late '40's, about $4 for a single-direction trip) available. I learned about this from my parents, as my father's work (managing heavy construction sites) took him to a dam project near Jackson, CA back in 1949; my mother (during much of that year pregnant with me!) took that train several time to visit my father, who drove down to Tracy to pick her up and later drop her off for the return trip. Currently, what's left of those secondary Valley lines are under short-line ownership; much of the mileage, including the section from Kerman to Los Banos, has been removed (Max discusses some of the more southerly abandoned trackage in his CA 65 posts).
I'll offer up Sonoita and Patagonia, Arizona.
Both are located northeast of Nogales on SR 82. There are signs at both ends of SR 82 (and on I-10 at SR 90) advising truckers headed east from (or west to) the International Border to use I-19 and I-10 instead of SR 82, but there is still a lot of truck traffic. The I-19/I-10 route sends you almost into the middle of Tucson, while taking SR 82 and SR 90 takes you through one town (Patagonia) and a couple of wide spots in the road (Sonoita and Whetstone). Speed limits on the Interstates are 75 outside of Tucson and 65 on SR 90 and SR 82 east of Sonoita. SR 82 is a bit hilly as well.
Not sure how you fix this other than an outright ban- or improving the border crossing at Douglas, including improved infrastructure to the south.
I'll offer Elwood and Manhattan, Illinois. Granted, both (especially Manhattan) are growing into suburbs, they still act like small towns. Both are near the two very large intermodal yards south of Joliet. Elwood has a population of 2,279 as of 2010; and Manhattan has a population of 7,051 as of 2010.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elwood,_Illinois
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan,_Illinois
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CenterPoint_Intermodal_Center
Quote from: coldshoulder on March 31, 2020, 09:56:14 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on March 31, 2020, 01:58:27 PM
US 20 in Ohio between Toledo and Cleveland gets a lot of truck traffic, generated by both local traffic and longer range shunpikers.
The following towns have the 4 lane US 20 going right through their central business district: Woodville (2,135), Bellevue (8,202), Monroeville (1,400)
There's also Clyde (6,325), which has it as a 4 lane arterial that passes north of the central business district, and Wakeman (1,047), which is on the 2 lane portion.
Norwalk (17,012) and Fremont (16,734) have freeway bypasses.
Norwalk's high school sports teams are called the "Truckers". I always thought it was because of heavy truck traffic through there, which isn't really the reason. A Norwalk-based company formed in the mid-40's called Norwalk Truck Lines, which specialized in shipping various type of freight throughout the Midwest, was the inspiration, as detailed here:
http://www.norwalktruckers.net/Downloads/Why%20Are%20We%20the%20Truckers3.pdf
In Oregon we have the Powers Cruisers, a very small high school. The Cruiser name refers to timber cruisers as opposed to naval cruisers. For a small town in the middle of the Coast Range that is quite isolated, log truck traffic was very high when timber was going strong from the end of WW2 to 1979, which is when our economy got totaled by high oil prices due to Carter throwing the Shah under the bus and inflation rates were in the teens. That took the starch out of a lot of rural Oregon.
Rick
Speaking of Oregon -- any of the small towns along US 97 from the CA state line north to Madras see one hell of a lot of timber traffic -- maybe a little less today having "shelved" down a bit after the 2008 housing "bust". But the last time I was up there (2011) there was still plenty of logs being hauled up and down that highway through Klamath Falls (at about 25K maybe a "big" small town), Chemult, and La Pine. The fact that the highway cuts right through Sierra Pacific and Weyerhaeuser evergreen "plantations" accounts for a lot of the traffic heading south toward mills in Klamath Falls and Weed, CA or north to Bend and Redmond. You haven't lived until you've had to stand on your brakes as a logger enters the road right in front of you while you're doing 75 on that 23-mile arrow-straight stretch south of the OR 138 junction (about half the time they don't even bother to stop at all)! Stopped one time in Chemult for a snack en route to Seattle one summer in the late '80's; I counted about 20 log trucks in both directions for the five minutes I was in the convenience store!
Quote from: sparker on April 03, 2020, 02:33:50 AM
Speaking of Oregon -- any of the small towns along US 97 from the CA state line north to Madras see one hell of a lot of timber traffic -- maybe a little less today having "shelved" down a bit after the 2008 housing "bust". But the last time I was up there (2011) there was still plenty of logs being hauled up and down that highway through Klamath Falls (at about 25K maybe a "big" small town), Chemult, and La Pine. The fact that the highway cuts right through Sierra Pacific and Weyerhaeuser evergreen "plantations" accounts for a lot of the traffic heading south toward mills in Klamath Falls and Weed, CA or north to Bend and Redmond. You haven't lived until you've had to stand on your brakes as a logger enters the road right in front of you while you're doing 75 on that 23-mile arrow-straight stretch south of the OR 138 junction (about half the time they don't even bother to stop at all)! Stopped one time in Chemult for a snack en route to Seattle one summer in the late '80's; I counted about 20 log trucks in both directions for the five minutes I was in the convenience store!
Back in the day, one did Sunday drives in the country. Why? That was the only day the rural roads were not overrun with log trucks! Those drivers could make a narrow 2-lane road into a freeway with their speed and ability to stay on their side of the line. That made for a scary situation for the car drivers as those trucks barreled along, one after another.
Rick
.......and then there's OR 58 and Oakridge. Never have seen a concentration of log trucks like along the street section of 58 through the middle of that town (many of them stopped for food, gas, etc.). Will give them credit for not displaying hazardous driving while coming down the hill from Willamette Pass (although encountering one in the tunnel can inherently be a bit hairy!). But those heading for Eugene tend to try to make up time on the straight/flat stretch east of I-5; some have driven up my tailpipe on more than one occasion.
While I-69 is coming; Corrigan TX (US-59 & US287), Diboll TX, Teneha TX, Timpson TX, Garrison TX (All US-5
Ashdown AR, Dequeen AR (US 71)
Bogata TX , Pittsburg TX, Gilmer TX (US 271)
I could keep going.
Does anyone know if Truckee lives up to its name?
Quote from: 1 on April 07, 2020, 12:21:35 PM
Does anyone know if Truckee lives up to its name?
It doesn't, Donner Pass Road is almost exclusively the domain of tourism traffic. The truckers stick almost entirely to I-80 unless they are making a delivery locally or to the Tahoe region.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 07, 2020, 04:48:41 PM
Quote from: 1 on April 07, 2020, 12:21:35 PM
Does anyone know if Truckee lives up to its name?
It doesn't, Donner Pass Road is almost exclusively the domain of tourism traffic. The truckers stick almost entirely to I-80 unless they are making a delivery locally or to the Tahoe region.
... but I believe I-80 still goes right through Truckee, unless I'm missing something here.
Quote from: webny99 on April 07, 2020, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 07, 2020, 04:48:41 PM
Quote from: 1 on April 07, 2020, 12:21:35 PM
Does anyone know if Truckee lives up to its name?
It doesn't, Donner Pass Road is almost exclusively the domain of tourism traffic. The truckers stick almost entirely to I-80 unless they are making a delivery locally or to the Tahoe region.
... but I believe I-80 still goes right through Truckee, unless I'm missing something here.
The I-80 freeway
does enter incorporated Truckee, but it bypasses the downtown area. The only intersecting highways that would likely host local commercial movements are CA 89, which multiplexes with I-80 around downtown, and CA 267, which shares an interchange with CA 89 (north) east of downtown. Old US 40 does run right through the historic downtown district, but not as a state facility. About the only time through trucks even consider heading toward downtown is if I-80 is closed due to severe weather over Donner Summit.