NYC maybe?
Question: is this the city itself, or the metro area?
Quote from: vdeane on April 09, 2020, 12:49:08 PM
Question: is this the city itself, or the metro area?
Can be either.
It looks to me that Chicago and LA have the same amount of interstates (or more) as NYC. I counted 9 for NYC, 9 for Chicago, and 10 (8 if you don't include 15 and 215) for LA.
The question lies in whether certain interstates are in a city's metro area. Are 287 and 684 a part of metro NYC? Is 65 a part of metro Chicago? Are 15 and 215 part of metro LA?
For metros, the Bay Area has 10:
80, 280, 380, 580, 680, 780, 880, 980, 238, 205
...but San Francisco itself only has two (80 and 280). I wonder if that's the greatest disparity in number between city proper and metro? (If you include Oakland and San Jose as cities proper then the two goes up to six (580, 680, 880, 980))
Washington-Baltimore has 18:
95, 495, 395 (VA, DC), 295, 695 (DC), 695 (MD), 895, 195, 795, 83, 97, 270, 370, 70, 66, and 595.
DC proper has 95/495, 395, 695, 295, and 66; Baltimore proper has 95, 895, 395, 70, 695, and 83. The metro area often encapsulates both cities.
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The Delaware Valley has 9:
76, 95, 295, 276, 176, 476, 676, 495, 195.
Philadelphia proper has 76, 95, and 676.
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Metro New York has 16:
95, 78, 495, 278, 678, 478, 295, 695, 87, 287, 80, 280, 476, 684, 91, 84.
New York proper has 95, 78, 495, 278, 678, 478, 295, 695 and 87.
For Chicagoland, I counted 11:
55, 57, 65, 80, 88, 90, 94, 355, 190, 290, 294
If we're only doing the city itself, we'd have 55, 57, 90, 94, 190 and 290, about half of the count.
This does not include the future I-490, and IL 390 and IL 394 may also become new additions someday.
Quote from: Henry on April 10, 2020, 09:19:33 AM
For Chicagoland, I counted 11:
55, 57, 65, 80, 88, 90, 94, 355, 190, 290, 294
If we're only doing the city itself, we'd have 55, 57, 90, 94, 190 and 290, about half of the count.
This does not include the future I-490, and IL 390 and IL 394 may also become new additions someday.
294 enters Chicago very, very briefly.
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 10, 2020, 09:25:35 AM
Quote from: Henry on April 10, 2020, 09:19:33 AM
For Chicagoland, I counted 11:
55, 57, 65, 80, 88, 90, 94, 355, 190, 290, 294
If we're only doing the city itself, we'd have 55, 57, 90, 94, 190 and 290, about half of the count.
This does not include the future I-490, and IL 390 and IL 394 may also become new additions someday.
294 enters Chicago very, very briefly.
I'm not even sure if you could fit a city street with some type of development on both sides of that city street in the space that I-294 enters and exits the city of Chicago.
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 10, 2020, 12:21:46 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 10, 2020, 09:25:35 AM
294 enters Chicago very, very briefly.
I'm not even sure if you could fit a city street with some type of development on both sides of that city street in the space that I-294 enters and exits the city of Chicago.
It's about 325 feet, and there is a full block of development there, at least to the west. That said, as you can see in this image, there's no way to travel along that shoestring corridor between the "main city" and the airport.
(https://i.imgur.com/PjLK5oL.png)
Quote from: Henry on April 10, 2020, 09:19:33 AM
For Chicagoland, I counted 11:
55, 57, 65, 80, 88, 90, 94, 355, 190, 290, 294
If we're only doing the city itself, we'd have 55, 57, 90, 94, 190 and 290, about half of the count.
This does not include the future I-490, and IL 390 and IL 394 may also become new additions someday.
Does I-41 run along I-94 to the WI/IL line? If so, I-41 counts as well as Kenosha County, WI is a part of the Chicago metro area.
Quote from: ftballfan on April 10, 2020, 01:48:28 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 10, 2020, 09:19:33 AM
For Chicagoland, I counted 11:
55, 57, 65, 80, 88, 90, 94, 355, 190, 290, 294
If we're only doing the city itself, we'd have 55, 57, 90, 94, 190 and 290, about half of the count.
This does not include the future I-490, and IL 390 and IL 394 may also become new additions someday.
Does I-41 run along I-94 to the WI/IL line? If so, I-41 counts as well as Kenosha County, WI is a part of the Chicago metro area.
Yes it does and really doesn't make any sense to do so since Illinois is never going to extend it.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on April 10, 2020, 12:55:02 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 10, 2020, 12:21:46 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 10, 2020, 09:25:35 AM
294 enters Chicago very, very briefly.
I'm not even sure if you could fit a city street with some type of development on both sides of that city street in the space that I-294 enters and exits the city of Chicago.
It's about 325 feet, and there is a full block of development there, at least to the west. That said, as you can see in this image, there's no way to travel along that shoestring corridor between the "main city" and the airport.
(https://i.imgur.com/PjLK5oL.png)
O'Hare mine as well be in the suburbs anyway. I've known about this little piece of land for years. It's not the strangest of shoestrings though.
LA city proper has 5
5, 10, 105, 110, 210, 405
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 10, 2020, 09:12:06 PM
LA city proper has 5
5, 10, 105, 110, 210, 405
That's 6.
Quote from: sprjus4 on April 10, 2020, 09:13:53 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 10, 2020, 09:12:06 PM
LA city proper has 5
5, 10, 105, 110, 210, 405
That's 6.
Wrap it up folks, we're done here. The AARoads forum has peaked.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on April 10, 2020, 12:55:02 PM
[(https://i.imgur.com/PjLK5oL.png)
Is that hotel in the middle of the freeway or beneath it?
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 10, 2020, 02:27:44 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on April 10, 2020, 12:55:02 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 10, 2020, 12:21:46 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 10, 2020, 09:25:35 AM
294 enters Chicago very, very briefly.
I'm not even sure if you could fit a city street with some type of development on both sides of that city street in the space that I-294 enters and exits the city of Chicago.
It's about 325 feet, and there is a full block of development there, at least to the west. That said, as you can see in this image, there's no way to travel along that shoestring corridor between the "main city" and the airport.
(https://i.imgur.com/PjLK5oL.png)
O'Hare mine as well be in the suburbs anyway. I've known about this little piece of land for years. It's not the strangest of shoestrings though.
Just to clarify, I know you knew about the little piece of land, since you mentioned it in your previous post. What the picture was for was to address the uncertainty you expressed over how wide it was.
Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on April 10, 2020, 11:10:03 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on April 10, 2020, 12:55:02 PM
[(https://i.imgur.com/PjLK5oL.png)
Is that hotel in the middle of the freeway or beneath it?
The hotel is next to it it's in the upper left corner of the pic.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on April 11, 2020, 12:52:03 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 10, 2020, 02:27:44 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on April 10, 2020, 12:55:02 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 10, 2020, 12:21:46 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on April 10, 2020, 09:25:35 AM
294 enters Chicago very, very briefly.
I'm not even sure if you could fit a city street with some type of development on both sides of that city street in the space that I-294 enters and exits the city of Chicago.
It's about 325 feet, and there is a full block of development there, at least to the west. That said, as you can see in this image, there's no way to travel along that shoestring corridor between the "main city" and the airport.
(https://i.imgur.com/PjLK5oL.png)
O'Hare mine as well be in the suburbs anyway. I've known about this little piece of land for years. It's not the strangest of shoestrings though.
Just to clarify, I know you knew about the little piece of land, since you mentioned it in your previous post. What the picture was for was to address the uncertainty you expressed over how wide it was.
I've mentioned it in another post too and took a screenshot of it but can't find the screenshot now. It does look like a single street could be there. I know and everyone else knows though that the only reason it's there is so O'Hare can be in Chicago instead of a suburb.
Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex has 8:
20
30
35E
35W
45
345 (unsigned)
635
820
All except 35W and 820 pass through Dallas city limits
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 10, 2020, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on April 10, 2020, 01:48:28 PM
Quote from: Henry on April 10, 2020, 09:19:33 AM
For Chicagoland, I counted 11:
55, 57, 65, 80, 88, 90, 94, 355, 190, 290, 294
If we're only doing the city itself, we'd have 55, 57, 90, 94, 190 and 290, about half of the count.
This does not include the future I-490, and IL 390 and IL 394 may also become new additions someday.
Does I-41 run along I-94 to the WI/IL line? If so, I-41 counts as well as Kenosha County, WI is a part of the Chicago metro area.
Yes it does and really doesn't make any sense to do so since Illinois is never going to extend it.
The poster's point was that Kenosha County is part of the Chicago MSA, so I-41 should count in the metro area. And I would agree. As a second (minor, very picky) point, there are actually a couple of I-41 signs on the IDOT maintained piece of I-94 that's between US-41 and the border. The BGS has interstate shields for both 94 and 41: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4832354,-87.94626,3a,75y,10.35h,106.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjYNUv-IkZ2iIuhnKQiC4eg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4832354,-87.94626,3a,75y,10.35h,106.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjYNUv-IkZ2iIuhnKQiC4eg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
And there's actually an I-41 cut out on the transition ramp from US-41 NB to I-94 NB. https://www.google.com/maps/@42.477808,-87.9468786,3a,37.5y,22.81h,91.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szHmHD7p7BB5L4UOJX0QIyw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.477808,-87.9468786,3a,37.5y,22.81h,91.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szHmHD7p7BB5L4UOJX0QIyw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
So yes, I'd allow it.