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Title: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: Konza on April 17, 2020, 03:47:03 PM
Routes that pass into or through Indiana:

Interstates:  64, 65, 69, 70, 74, 80, 90, 94.

US routes:  6, 12, 20, 24, 27, 30, 31, 33, 35, 36, 40, 41, 50, 52, 131, 136, 150, 224, 231, 421.

Counting the Indiana counties these routes pass through, I get 1107 total counties reached by these routes.  That's less than Illinois or Texas- but given the number of counties served by US routes in Texas, the routes that pass through Indiana reach more counties outside the state than the routes that pass through Texas do.

Indiana's wearing the bronze in the clubhouse.  Anyone want to kick them off the podium?

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Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: hbelkins on April 17, 2020, 09:00:56 PM
^^

I-69 shouldn't count, because it's not a continuous route south of US 41 at Evansville. Yes, you can take US 41 and then the Purchase Parkway and US 51 to get to the signed portion in Mississippi, but the entire route is not marked as I-69.
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: Konza on April 17, 2020, 09:25:16 PM
I erred on the side of generosity with I-69 but there was not way I was going to give any credit for it west of the Mississippi River.

Ditto with split routes; I included the counties for both US 31E and 31W, and for some alternates like US 27 in Florida and US 41 in Kentucky and Tennessee.
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 17, 2020, 09:57:43 PM
Indiana is hurt by not having any NE/SW diagonal routes.
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: cwf1701 on April 17, 2020, 10:03:06 PM
And should the former routes of US-27 north of Ft. Wayne count? As US-27 was removed from Michigan in 2000 and north of the current US-127/75 split in Grayling in 1962.
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: Konza on April 18, 2020, 01:43:06 AM
Quote from: cwf1701 on April 17, 2020, 10:03:06 PM
And should the former routes of US-27 north of Ft. Wayne count? As US-27 was removed from Michigan in 2000 and north of the current US-127/75 split in Grayling in 1962.

US 460 as well.  Truncated at Frankfort, Kentucky because it had been supplanted by I-64 from there west through Louisville and Evansville to St. Louis.  East of Frankfort, though, the routes diverge from each other, although they both end in or near Norfolk, Virginia.

It opens up a can of worms, though.  For example, would you include US 21 and US 25 if you were doing this for Ohio?  US 25 was replaced by I-75 north of the Ohio River, but diverges from it south of there.  US 21 extends farther south than I-77 does.

And what about US 66?  It took five Interstate highways to replace it.  US 66 cuts off the southeast corner of Kansas, but none of the Interstates does.  How many additional counties would you be able to reach from Kansas had US 66 not been decommissioned?
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: ftballfan on April 18, 2020, 10:27:44 AM
US-131 doesn't enter Missaukee County in Michigan
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: Konza on April 18, 2020, 09:40:30 PM
I've updated the map and made some corrections.

I've added the counties traversed by the decommissioned US 27 in Michigan and the decommissioned US 460 east of Frankfort, Kentucky.

The count is now 1143.
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: SSR_317 on April 19, 2020, 05:22:34 PM
Quote from: Konza on April 17, 2020, 03:47:03 PM
Routes that pass into or through Indiana:

Interstates:  64, 65, 69, 70, 74, 80, 90, 94.

US routes:  6, 12, 20, 24, 27, 30, 31, 33, 35, 36, 40, 41, 50, 52, 131, 136, 150, 224, 231, 421.

Counting the Indiana counties these routes pass through, I get 1107 total counties reached by these routes.  That's less than Illinois or Texas- but given the number of counties served by US routes in Texas, the routes that pass through Indiana reach more counties outside the state than the routes that pass through Texas do.

Indiana's wearing the bronze in the clubhouse.  Anyone want to kick them off the podium?

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They didn't nickname us the "Crossroads of America" on a whim!
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: webny99 on April 19, 2020, 07:23:08 PM
No Texas is unfortunate, though.

EDIT: I just noticed you've got Wyoming County, NY marked.
But US 20 doesn't hit Wyoming County (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wyoming+County,+NY/@42.6949264,-78.5017029,10z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x89d3c8ce6d074d91:0x5e1b9256092b4e73!8m2!3d42.642052!4d-78.2020387!5m1!1e1). Only US 20A has that distinction.  :)
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: Konza on April 20, 2020, 02:34:13 PM
Again, I've included counties entered by alternates of the routes I've plotted.

If you were to do this for Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, or Iowa, how would you treat I-35E and I-35W? 
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: hotdogPi on April 20, 2020, 02:43:46 PM
Quote from: Konza on April 20, 2020, 02:34:13 PM
Again, I've included counties entered by alternates of the routes I've plotted.

If you were to do this for Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, or Iowa, how would you treat I-35E and I-35W?

I-35E and I-35W are mainline, as are US 31E and US 31W. US 20A is not mainline.
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: Captain Jack on April 29, 2020, 10:42:48 PM
Quote from: Konza on April 18, 2020, 09:40:30 PM
I've updated the map and made some corrections.

I've added the counties traversed by the decommissioned US 27 in Michigan and the decommissioned US 460 east of Frankfort, Kentucky.

The count is now 1143.

I guess if you are going to use the decommissioned routes, you should add US 641. It ran into Evansville until sometime in the early 70's.  Probably when US 41 was relocated.
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: Konza on April 29, 2020, 11:30:03 PM
I've elected to use decommissioned routes if they were decommissioned due to being replaced by an Interstate.  US 460 qualifies as it was essentially replaced west of Louisville by I-64.  Routes like the one you mention don't fall into that category.
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: US 89 on April 30, 2020, 01:28:14 AM
Quote from: Konza on April 29, 2020, 11:30:03 PM
I've elected to use decommissioned routes if they were decommissioned due to being replaced by an Interstate.

In that case, you may want to include the old US 30S in Idaho/Utah/Wyoming, which was decommissioned after being replaced by I-80N (now 84). That would add Box Elder, Weber, Morgan, and Davis County in Utah to the list.
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: bugo on May 07, 2020, 03:43:14 AM
Why is US 62 on here? It doesn't go through Indiana.
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 07, 2020, 08:43:18 AM
Quote from: bugo on May 07, 2020, 03:43:14 AM
Why is US 62 on here? It doesn't go through Indiana.

It's not.
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: hotdogPi on May 07, 2020, 08:48:03 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 07, 2020, 08:43:18 AM
Quote from: bugo on May 07, 2020, 03:43:14 AM
Why is US 62 on here? It doesn't go through Indiana.

It's not.

US 62 is in the county map posted above.
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: Eth on May 07, 2020, 09:51:37 AM
Quote from: 1 on May 07, 2020, 08:48:03 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 07, 2020, 08:43:18 AM
Quote from: bugo on May 07, 2020, 03:43:14 AM
Why is US 62 on here? It doesn't go through Indiana.

It's not.

US 62 is in the county map posted above.

That appears to be the relevant map for Ohio, not Indiana.
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: Konza on May 07, 2020, 04:17:42 PM
It's been Pennsylvania and Ohio since it was Indiana, and is about to be changed again.

County counts should stilll be in the ballpark, and will be updated.
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 08, 2020, 12:06:59 AM
Quote from: Konza on April 17, 2020, 03:47:03 PM
Routes that pass into or through Indiana:

Interstates:  64, 65, 69, 70, 74, 80, 90, 94.

US routes:  6, 12, 20, 24, 27, 30, 31, 33, 35, 36, 40, 41, 50, 52, 131, 136, 150, 224, 231, 421.

Counting the Indiana counties these routes pass through, I get 1107 total counties reached by these routes.  That's less than Illinois or Texas- but given the number of counties served by US routes in Texas, the routes that pass through Indiana reach more counties outside the state than the routes that pass through Texas do.

Indiana's wearing the bronze in the clubhouse.  Anyone want to kick them off the podium?

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This looks like the map for Tennessee, not Indiana
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: Verlanka on May 08, 2020, 05:26:41 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 08, 2020, 12:06:59 AM
Quote from: Konza on April 17, 2020, 03:47:03 PM

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This looks like the map for Tennessee, not Indiana
It's a live image.
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: StogieGuy7 on May 08, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
Why doesn't the image seem to include the I-80 and I-90 (Toll Road) corridors?  Looks like that corridor is blank, yet that's the #1 through route that includes Indiana. Your map looks like connections through Indianapolis, rather than Indiana as a whole.
Title: Re: Getting from Indiana to the rest of at least the lower 48...
Post by: hotdogPi on May 08, 2020, 12:11:39 PM
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on May 08, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
Why doesn't the image seem to include the I-80 and I-90 (Toll Road) corridors?  Looks like that corridor is blank, yet that's the #1 through route that includes Indiana. Your map looks like connections through Indianapolis, rather than Indiana as a whole.

It's a dynamic image. Right now, it's showing Tennessee.