In Massachusetts, non-interstates can be 65, like MA 24, MA 140, US 44, and MA 146 (I think that's it). But there are still some, like US 3 and MA 3, that are still strangely not 65. I'm also wondering what the highest speed limit on a non interstate freeway is, not counting the Texas tollways.
Pretty sure non-Interstate Freeways, and even Rural Expressways, max out at 65 MPH in IL
There are few non-interstate freeways in Missouri as far as I can tell. Most heavily travelled US highways are expressways or have been overtaken by interstate highways; the last of which I can think of is US 40/61 through St. Louis and St. Charles Counties, which was upgraded to interstate standards and signed as I-64 in the 1990s and early 2000s. The speed limit was 60 for everything but the northernmost 9 miles of the route, where it was 65, and it remains that way today.
Also in the St. Louis area is MO-21. The northern section was originally a two-lane highway and was deemed unsafe, so it was completely rebuilt as a freeway from Fenton to Hillsboro. Speed limit is 60 or 65, I think. Some expressways have speed limits of 65, too, especially if they're signed as US highways.
Quote from: wolfiefrick on May 10, 2020, 10:00:25 PM
There are few non-interstate freeways in Missouri as far as I can tell. Most heavily travelled US highways are expressways or have been overtaken by interstate highways; the last of which I can think of is US 40/61 through St. Louis and St. Charles Counties, which was upgraded to interstate standards and signed as I-64 in the 1990s and early 2000s. The speed limit was 60 for everything but the northernmost 9 miles of the route, where it was 65, and it remains that way today.
Also in the St. Louis area is MO-21. The northern section was originally a two-lane highway and was deemed unsafe, so it was completely rebuilt as a freeway from Fenton to Hillsboro. Speed limit is 60 or 65, I think. Some expressways have speed limits of 65, too, especially if they're signed as US highways.
I thought that Missouri had some expressways at 70?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 10, 2020, 10:01:42 PM
I thought that Missouri had some expressways at 70?
Yeah I think you're right – I've just never seen one.
Quote from: ilpt4u on May 10, 2020, 09:57:59 PM
Pretty sure non-Interstate Freeways, and even Rural Expressways, max out at 65 MPH in IL
I can second this.
Iowa is the same as Illinois - non-interstates only get posted at 65.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 10, 2020, 10:01:42 PM
I thought that Missouri had some expressways at 70?
Yes:
* MO 13 between I-49 and the far western fringes of Clinton
* US 54 mostly from Mexico to near Jefferson City (with the exception of near I-70, possibly near Fulton as well)
* US 63 between US 54 and Macon (with an exception near Columbia, possibly others)
There may be others, but US 60 between Poplar Bluff and I-55 is certainly not one of them (though IMHO it should be).
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Quote from: ilpt4u on May 10, 2020, 09:57:59 PM
Pretty sure non-Interstate Freeways, and even Rural Expressways, max out at 65 MPH in IL
I can second this.
Iowa is the same as Illinois - non-interstates only get posted at 65.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 10, 2020, 10:01:42 PM
I thought that Missouri had some expressways at 70?
Yes:
* MO 13 between I-49 and the far western fringes of Clinton
* US 54 mostly from Mexico to near Jefferson City (with the exception of near I-70, possibly near Fulton as well)
* US 63 between US 54 and Macon (with an exception near Columbia, possibly others)
There may be others, but US 60 between Poplar Bluff and I-55 is certainly not one of them (though IMHO it should be).
I'm surprised that the long US 20 freeway in Iowa is not 70.
Quote from: Revive 755 on May 10, 2020, 10:07:22 PM
* US 54 mostly from Mexico to near Jefferson City (with the exception of near I-70, possibly near Fulton as well)
I've only been down that stretch from Kingdom City to Fulton; south of there it's probably 70 but it was only 65 when I was there.
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Quote from: ilpt4u on May 10, 2020, 09:57:59 PM
Pretty sure non-Interstate Freeways, and even Rural Expressways, max out at 65 MPH in IL
I can second this.
Iowa is the same as Illinois - non-interstates only get posted at 65.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 10, 2020, 10:01:42 PM
I thought that Missouri had some expressways at 70?
Yes:
* MO 13 between I-49 and the far western fringes of Clinton
* US 54 mostly from Mexico to near Jefferson City (with the exception of near I-70, possibly near Fulton as well)
* US 63 between US 54 and Macon (with an exception near Columbia, possibly others)
There may be others, but US 60 between Poplar Bluff and I-55 is certainly not one of them (though IMHO it should be).
Regarding MO and IA...I'm shocked none of the non-Interstate portions of the AotS are signed for 70. Why not the new terrain MO/IA 27 section that includes the Des Moines River Bridge? It is clearly built to higher speed design, even if not fully grade separated
I think Indiana is 60? Any Hoosiers, feel free to correct me
^ It's been years since I've been on the stretch, so it would not be impossible that the speed limit was reduced to 65. At least of 2018 there was a 70 mph stretch north of Kingdom City (https://goo.gl/maps/Bwch5ZzbZi1W5suA7) and as of 2019 it was posted at 70 just south of Kingdom City. (https://goo.gl/maps/a1Tnv3b82YSHV24X8)
As for the Avenue of the Saints not having any sections posted at 70: I recall reading an article years ago (think it was on the relocation of the NB lanes of MO 13 north of Springfield) that MoDOT did not like posting expressways at 70. Some of them were posted at 70 to avoid issues with the legislature IIRC.
Either 65 or 70 MPH on CA 99. 65 MPH on CA 41, 168, 180, and 198.
Quote from: ilpt4u on May 10, 2020, 10:17:17 PM
I think Indiana is 60? Any Hoosiers, feel free to correct me
Nope, 65 mph on U.S. 31 around Kokomo and between Plymouth and South Bend, U.S. 24 east of Fort Wayne, U.S. 20/31 bypass in South Bend/Mishawaka/Elkhart area and Indiana State Road 641 in Terre Haute.
Indiana State Road 912 is signed as 55 mph on the existing freeway section in Gary/East Chicago.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 10, 2020, 10:31:57 PM
Either 65 or 70 MPH on CA 99. 65 MPH on CA 41, 168, 180, and 198.
I think it's 70 on CA 99 and parts of US 101.
In Michigan, a freeway is a freeway. Interstate or non-interstate route status is irrelevant with regard to determining speed limits. Portions of the US-10, US-31, US-127, and US-131 freeways have had their speed limits increased to 75 MPH, while portions of the interstates remain at 70 mph or lower.
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Quote from: ilpt4u on May 10, 2020, 10:17:17 PM
I think Indiana is 60? Any Hoosiers, feel free to correct me
Nope, 65 mph on U.S. 31 around Kokomo and between Plymouth and South Bend, U.S. 24 east of Fort Wayne, U.S. 20/31 bypass in South Bend/Mishawaka/Elkhart area and Indiana State Road 641 in Terre Haute.
Indiana State Road 912 is signed as 55 mph on the existing freeway section in Gary/East Chicago.
I stand corrected. I do believe, perhaps incorrectly again, that Rural Divided Expressways are limited to 60 MPH. Thinking like the western end of the Lloyd, much of US 41/IN 63, the Hoosier Heartland Highway, the not-I-69 remaining segments of IN 37, to name a few
Wisconsin is inconsistent on this one. It doesn't have a whole lot of non-Interstate freeway mileage to begin with, at least with the transition of US-41 to I-41. US-41/141 between Abrams and I-43 is posted for 70, as is US-14 between Madison and Oregon, US-12 between Elkhorn and the IL line, and US-53 north of Eau Claire.
Other roads with longish freeway stretches (WI Hwy 29, Hwy 26, US-10) are posted for 65 mph; I suspect it's to minimize confusion by not constantly adjusting speed limits when the roads transition from limited-access freeway to controlled-access expressway and back again.
More often, WisDOT will post 65 mph speed limits on roads that are 4-lane divided with controlled access (but with fully limited access for city bypasses).
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There are few non-interstate freeways in Missouri as far as I can tell. Most heavily travelled US highways are expressways or have been overtaken by interstate highways; the last of which I can think of is US 40/61 through St. Louis and St. Charles Counties, which was upgraded to interstate standards and signed as I-64 in the 1990s and early 2000s. The speed limit was 60 for everything but the northernmost 9 miles of the route, where it was 65, and it remains that way today.
Also in the St. Louis area is MO-21. The northern section was originally a two-lane highway and was deemed unsafe, so it was completely rebuilt as a freeway from Fenton to Hillsboro. Speed limit is 60 or 65, I think. Some expressways have speed limits of 65, too, especially if they're signed as US highways.
I thought that Missouri had some freeways at 70?
The only non-interstate freeway in MO that is signed at 70 I can think of is James River Freeway west of Scenic Ave in Springfield.
The Missouri Department of Revenue Driver's Guide states the following:
Rural Freeways (regardless of interstate status)-MAX 70 MPH
Rural Expressways (not to be confused with Freeways)-MAX 65 MPH
Freeways & Expressways in urban areas (I've seen a few urban freeways signed at 55)-MAX 60 MPH
Unless otherwise posted.
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I think Indiana is 60? Any Hoosiers, feel free to correct me
Nope, 65 mph on U.S. 31 around Kokomo and between Plymouth and South Bend, U.S. 24 east of Fort Wayne, U.S. 20/31 bypass in South Bend/Mishawaka/Elkhart area and Indiana State Road 641 in Terre Haute.
Indiana State Road 912 is signed as 55 mph on the existing freeway section in Gary/East Chicago.
I stand corrected. I do believe, perhaps incorrectly again, that Rural Divided Expressways are limited to 60 MPH. Thinking like the western end of the Lloyd, much of US 41/IN 63, the Hoosier Heartland Highway, the not-I-69 remaining segments of IN 37, to name a few
The law for Indiana is 60 mph on non-limited-access divided highways, 65 mph on non-interstate freeways, 70 mph on interstate highways.
For Virginia, the law currently allows up to 70 mph on any limited access highways.
However, with the exception of the US-29 Lynchburg Bypass that's 70 mph, all non-interstate freeways in the state max out at 65 mph. The majority of the interstate highway system is 70 mph.
For Michigan 65 is the highest. On state and US highways in the northern lower peninsula and upper peninsula.
More south in the lower peninsula 55 is the highest you'll see off the interstate. The southern part of the state is more populated than the north by a lot.
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 10, 2020, 11:53:14 PM
For Michigan 65 is the highest. On state and US highways in the northern lower peninsula and upper peninsula.
More south in the lower peninsula 55 is the highest you'll see off the interstate. The southern part of the state is more populated than the north by a lot.
Nope. It's 75 on parts of US 127 and other US highway freeways in the Lower peninsula.
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For Michigan 65 is the highest. On state and US highways in the northern lower peninsula and upper peninsula.
More south in the lower peninsula 55 is the highest you'll see off the interstate. The southern part of the state is more populated than the north by a lot.
Nope. It's 75 on parts of US 127 and other US highway freeways in the Lower peninsula.
Those are freeways that are up to interstate standards.
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For Michigan 65 is the highest. On state and US highways in the northern lower peninsula and upper peninsula.
More south in the lower peninsula 55 is the highest you'll see off the interstate. The southern part of the state is more populated than the north by a lot.
Nope. It's 75 on parts of US 127 and other US highway freeways in the Lower peninsula.
Those are freeways that are up to interstate standards.
I said non-interstate freeways.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 10, 2020, 10:42:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 10, 2020, 10:31:57 PM
Either 65 or 70 MPH on CA 99. 65 MPH on CA 41, 168, 180, and 198.
I think it's 70 on CA 99 and parts of US 101.
Yes, there is a lot of 70 MPH on 99 north of Bakersfield to around the Fresno City Limit. There is another couple 70 MPH zones between Fresno and Merced. US 101 has a freeway segment with 70 MPH near San Lucas but much of the highway is an expressway signed 65 MPH. 101 was a little outside of my normal "day-to-day" area to include in my original post.
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For Michigan 65 is the highest. On state and US highways in the northern lower peninsula and upper peninsula.
More south in the lower peninsula 55 is the highest you'll see off the interstate. The southern part of the state is more populated than the north by a lot.
Nope. It's 75 on parts of US 127 and other US highway freeways in the Lower peninsula.
Those are freeways that are up to interstate standards.
I said non-interstate freeways.
And what difference does it make if it's an not an Interstate but is up to interstate standards? US-127 could very easily be an Interstate for most of the stretch north of Jackson except for the gap in the freeway between St. Johns and Ithaca. That could easily be upgraded as well.
US-10 likewise could easily be an Interstate between Clare and Bay City. Same with US-23 except for a few small parts.
When Pennsylvania expanded the number and expanse of its 70 MPH zones in 2016, that included a few non-Interstate freeways:
- US 15 (from Trout Run north to the NY state line)
- PA Tpk. 576
- PA Tpk. 45 (most)
- PA Tpk. 66 (most)
Quote from: Revive 755 on May 10, 2020, 10:07:22 PM
* MO 13 between I-49 and the far western fringes of Clinton
Did you mean MO 7? Now would be the time to increase the speed limit to 70 on the MO 13 portion down to Springfield now that the Route O trafficlight has been removed and many J-turns have been recently constructed.
Quote from: Revive 755 on May 10, 2020, 10:07:22 PM
There may be others, but US 60 between Poplar Bluff and I-55 is certainly not one of them (though IMHO it should be).
It probably will be increased when that part of US 60 is upgraded to I-57.
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For Michigan 65 is the highest. On state and US highways in the northern lower peninsula and upper peninsula.
More south in the lower peninsula 55 is the highest you'll see off the interstate. The southern part of the state is more populated than the north by a lot.
Nope. It's 75 on parts of US 127 and other US highway freeways in the Lower peninsula.
Those are freeways that are up to interstate standards.
I said non-interstate freeways.
And what difference does it make if it's an not an Interstate but is up to interstate standards? US-127 could very easily be an Interstate for most of the stretch north of Jackson except for the gap in the freeway between St. Johns and Ithaca. That could easily be upgraded as well.
US-10 likewise could easily be an Interstate between Clare and Bay City. Same with US-23 except for a few small parts.
Doesn't matter if they meet interstate standards or not - they're non-interstate freeways.
The maximum for non-interstate freeways in Michigan is 75 mph.
Although Utah allows rural 80/urban 70 limits on interstates, all non-interstate roads of any kind (including freeways and divided highways) are still capped at 65 mph by statute.
Which sucks. There is no reason the four-laned part of SR 7 can't be 70 mph - it's a freeway in the middle of nowhere with very little traffic (at least for now - we'll see what happens in 10-20 years if St George continues to explode in population).
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For Michigan 65 is the highest. On state and US highways in the northern lower peninsula and upper peninsula.
More south in the lower peninsula 55 is the highest you'll see off the interstate. The southern part of the state is more populated than the north by a lot.
Nope. It's 75 on parts of US 127 and other US highway freeways in the Lower peninsula.
Those are freeways that are up to interstate standards.
I said non-interstate freeways.
And what difference does it make if it's an not an Interstate but is up to interstate standards?
It
shouldn't make any difference, but as has been noted by others in this thread, some states have established by statute a lower maximum speed limit for freeways not carrying red, white, and blue route markers, regardless of actual road conditions. Fortunately, Michigan is not one of those states.
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 10, 2020, 11:19:57 PM
For Virginia, the law currently allows up to 70 mph on any limited access highways.
However, with the exception of the US-29 Lynchburg Bypass that's 70 mph, all non-interstate freeways in the state max out at 65 mph. The majority of the interstate highway system is 70 mph.
Also, for those unfamiliar with the Virginia statutes, the term "limited access highway" is defined by statute and essentially means a road whose only access is via interchanges. Anything with at-grade intersections or other at-grade access (like driveways or shopping centers) is normally capped at 55, except for certain routes for which statutorily-created exceptions allow 60-mph speed limits. This is slightly oversimplified, but anything posted above 60 mph has to be a so-called "freeway" (Virginia law does not use that term), but the statutes also require there be a traffic and engineering study before any segment gets a speed limit higher than 55 (in other words, 65- and 70-mph limits are permitted but are not automatic). A road that might seem like it should be posted at 65–say, the Dulles Toll Road, a tolled limited-access highway with four lanes in each direction–can be stuck at 55 if VDOT declines to perform the required study (which is the case with the Dulles Toll Road, a non-Interstate freeway posted at 55). Of course Virginia has other non-Interstate freeways posted at 55 where that limit is quite appropriate, such as the bypass around the western side of Charlottesville.
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For Michigan 65 is the highest. On state and US highways in the northern lower peninsula and upper peninsula.
More south in the lower peninsula 55 is the highest you'll see off the interstate. The southern part of the state is more populated than the north by a lot.
Nope. It's 75 on parts of US 127 and other US highway freeways in the Lower peninsula.
Those are freeways that are up to interstate standards.
I said non-interstate freeways.
And what difference does it make if it's an not an Interstate but is up to interstate standards? US-127 could very easily be an Interstate for most of the stretch north of Jackson except for the gap in the freeway between St. Johns and Ithaca. That could easily be upgraded as well.
US-10 likewise could easily be an Interstate between Clare and Bay City. Same with US-23 except for a few small parts.
Doesn't matter if they meet interstate standards or not - they're non-interstate freeways.
The maximum for non-interstate freeways in Michigan is 75 mph.
I read the question wrong but wasn't going to admit it. I know more about Michigan than he does of course. I drive on those freeways all the time.
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For Michigan 65 is the highest. On state and US highways in the northern lower peninsula and upper peninsula.
More south in the lower peninsula 55 is the highest you'll see off the interstate. The southern part of the state is more populated than the north by a lot.
Nope. It's 75 on parts of US 127 and other US highway freeways in the Lower peninsula.
Those are freeways that are up to interstate standards.
I said non-interstate freeways.
And what difference does it make if it's an not an Interstate but is up to interstate standards?
It shouldn't make any difference, but as has been noted by others in this thread, some states have established by statute a lower maximum speed limit for freeways not carrying red, white, and blue route markers, regardless of actual road conditions. Fortunately, Michigan is not one of those states.
Right. I'm not understanding the point. They are all up to interstate standards where it's 70 or 75 mph if they weren't up standards or in a rural area MDOT would never put a 75 mph speed limit on them. They'd be 70 max. But you know all this living in Michigan too.
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 11, 2020, 08:03:20 AM
Right. I'm not understanding the point. They are all up to interstate standards where it's 70 or 75 mph if they weren't up standards or in a rural area MDOT would never put a 75 mph speed limit on them. They'd be 70 max. But you know all this living in Michigan too.
Again, it's not about whether they meet standards or not, it's whether the actually carry the red and blue shield. Some states only allow the fastest speed limits on interstate highways and lower for freeways, even if they meet interstate standards but don't carry a red and blue shield. That's the point of the thread.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on May 10, 2020, 11:03:50 PM
Freeways & Expressways in urban areas (I've seen a few urban freeways signed at 55)-MAX 60 MPH
Pretty much all the freeways around suburban St. Louis have 60 mph limits (all interstates, plus MO-364 and MO-370) but once you're near downtown they're signed as 55, at least for the most part.
US 6 (Willimantic bypass): 65
US 7: 55 (really should be 60 or 65 north of I-84)
CT 2: 65 most places, except 55 west of CT 94 and through Norwich.
CT 2A (standalone portion): 50
CT 3: 55
CT 8: 50 through Bridgeport to the 8/25 split, 55 to Naugatuck, 50 through Naugatuck and Waterbury (45 through the Mixmaster), 55 north of CT 73, 65 from CT 262 to US 44
CT 9: 65 (45 through the traffic lights in Middletown)
CT 11: 65 (where built :))
CT 15: 50 through Greenwich, 55 most of the Parkway and the Hartford portion
CT 17: 35 (short Middletown portion); 50 (Glastonbury portion)
CT 20: 65
CT 25: 55 (should really be 60 or 65)
CT 40: 55
CT 66: 55
CT 72: 50 west of I-84, 55 east of I-84
CT 349: 50
SR 571 (Willow Brook Connector): 55
SR 598 (Whitehead Highway): 35
SR 695 (Turnpike extension) 55 (WHY?)
SR 796 (Milford Connector): 55
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US 6 (Willimantic bypass): 65
US 7: 55 (really should be 60 or 65 north of I-84)
CT 2: 65 most places, except 55 west of CT 94 and through Norwich.
CT 2A (standalone portion): 50
CT 3: 55
CT 8: 50 through Bridgeport to the 8/25 split, 55 to Naugatuck, 50 through Naugatuck and Waterbury (45 through the Mixmaster), 55 north of CT 73, 65 from CT 262 to US 44
CT 9: 65 (45 through the traffic lights in Middletown)
CT 11: 65 (where built :))
CT 15: 50 through Greenwich, 55 most of the Parkway and the Hartford portion
CT 17: 35 (short Middletown portion); 50 (Glastonbury portion)
CT 20: 65
CT 25: 55 (should really be 60 or 65)
CT 40: 55
CT 66: 55
CT 72: 50 west of I-84, 55 east of I-84
CT 349: 50
SR 571 (Willow Brook Connector): 55
SR 598 (Whitehead Highway): 35
SR 695 (Turnpike extension) 55 (WHY?)
SR 796 (Milford Connector): 55
CT 11 could have a speed limit of 95 and nobody would notice or care.
Quote from: JREwing78 on May 10, 2020, 11:00:08 PM
Wisconsin is inconsistent on this one. It doesn't have a whole lot of non-Interstate freeway mileage to begin with, at least with the transition of US-41 to I-41. US-41/141 between Abrams and I-43 is posted for 70, as is US-14 between Madison and Oregon, US-12 between Elkhorn and the IL line, and US-53 north of Eau Claire.
Other roads with longish freeway stretches (WI Hwy 29, Hwy 26, US-10) are posted for 65 mph; I suspect it's to minimize confusion by not constantly adjusting speed limits when the roads transition from limited-access freeway to controlled-access expressway and back again.
More often, WisDOT will post 65 mph speed limits on roads that are 4-lane divided with controlled access (but with fully limited access for city bypasses).
There is a stretch of WI Hwy 29 from just east of I-94 to just east of WI Hwy 27 that's signed as 70. The rest is consistently signed as 65. GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9364939,-91.2006478,3a,75y,76.95h,74.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBsXDiIbKkF7G0Ery5gltdA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Kentucky's parkways are mostly 70 mph, same as rural interstates.
Off the top of my head, the only non-interstate full freeway I can think of in West Virginia is WV 43, the Mon-Fayette Expressway. I can't remember if the sped limit on it is 65 or 70 mph. I don't really count the US 250/WV 2 segment south of I-70, nor the US 60 route south of the WV Turnpike, because they're in non-rural settings. The corridors (US 19, US 48, US 50, US 119, US 460) and the four-lane portion of US 35 are not freeways. They're signed for 65 mph.
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Kentucky's parkways are mostly 70 mph, same as rural interstates.
Off the top of my head, the only non-interstate full freeway I can think of in West Virginia is WV 43, the Mon-Fayette Expressway. I can't remember if the sped limit on it is 65 or 70 mph. I don't really count the US 250/WV 2 segment south of I-70, nor the US 60 route south of the WV Turnpike, because they're in non-rural settings. The corridors (US 19, US 48, US 50, US 119, US 460) and the four-lane portion of US 35 are not freeways. They're signed for 65 mph.
There is a short portion of US 22 in the north.
Colorado:
In the Denver metro, US 36 is 55 from I-25 to Broadway, 65 from Broadway to CO 157/Foothills Parkway, and 60 from Foothills Parkway to Baseline Road/end of freeway in Boulder.
C-470 is signed 65 from I-25 west to I-70 then 55 to its terminus at US 6.
E-470 toll road is 75 mph the entire length of the road.
Northwest Parkway toll road is signed 75 on its freeway portion eastbound from 96th Street in Broomfield to I-25/E-470. Westbound, it's signed 75 to just after the US 287 exit then drops to 70 until the freeway portion ends and it drops to 45 just before the 96th Street traffic light.
Peña Boulevard is 65 from I-70 to Denver International Airport where it drops to 55, then 45, then 35 (and is heavily enforced by revenue agents).
US 6/6th Avenue Freeway is signed 65 from I-70 east to CO 95/Sheridan Blvd, 55 to I-25, and 45 to its terminus at Kalamath Street. Technically, the braided ramps from I-25 to WB US 6 are signed 45 to past Federal Boulevard westbound.
US 285 is signed 65 for the freeway portion from CO 8 in Morrison to CO 95/Sheridan Blvd.
CO 58 is signed 65 from I-70 west to Boyd Street (westbound exit just before Washington Ave. in Golden) then 55 until its at-grade terminus at US 6/CO 93.
Outside of Denver, there's very little in the way of true non-interstate freeway, mostly just expressway. Some honorable mentions:
There's a 4 mile freeway stretch of CO 21/Powers Boulevard in Colorado Springs from Research Parkway to CO 83 that is freeway and signed at 65.
Also in Colorado Springs, there's a 2.3 mile freeway stretch of US 24 from I-25 to just east of S. Circle Drive posted at 55.
And in Colorado Springs, there's about a 2 mile stretch of Academy Boulevard that's freeway from just east of I-25 to Milton Proby Parkway posted at 50.
In Pueblo, there's a 3-mile stretch of CO 47 just east of Dillon Drive posted at 60.
Quote from: briantroutman on May 11, 2020, 12:22:11 AM
When Pennsylvania expanded the number and expanse of its 70 MPH zones in 2016, that included a few non-Interstate freeways:
- US 15 (from Trout Run north to the NY state line)
- PA Tpk. 576
- PA Tpk. 45 (most)
- PA Tpk. 66 (most)
I wonder if PA actually does care. It's noteworthy that all those examples are either maintained by the PTC or a future interstate corridor. Then again, 70 zones are sparse enough on PennDOT roadways that it can be hard to tell.
It's 65 in Arkansas currently. That may change when Interstate speeds change in July.
Quote from: MikieTimT on May 11, 2020, 01:51:47 PM
It's 65 in Arkansas currently. That may change when Interstate speeds change in July.
I thought that US 67 in 70?
I'd written this about Colorado last night but didn't post; since I went down a sort of different path than zzcarp's Colorado post, I'll put it out there, too.
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In Colorado, the non-CDOT-owned toll roads, E-470 and the Northwest Parkway, have 75mph speed limits. E-470's was raised from 70mph in 2011, but I'm not sure what the NWP's was different in the past.
Generally, Colorado's maximum allowable speed limit is 75mph, and authorities could hypothetically set it as they deem appropriate. The default speed limit for "four-lane highways which are on the interstate system [...] or are freeways or expressways" is 65mph, though; here (https://leg.colorado.gov/content/state-speed-limits) is a summary page on speed limits in the state.
CDOT has historically set some rural freeways above 65mph, although some of those have become less rural over time; all of Colorado's non-interstate freeways are in urban/suburban areas, so there's nothing that CDOT would set above 65mph.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 11, 2020, 01:57:40 PM
Quote from: MikieTimT on May 11, 2020, 01:51:47 PM
It's 65 in Arkansas currently. That may change when Interstate speeds change in July.
I thought that US 67 in 70?
True, but it's Future I-57, so I kinda consider it an Interstate already for the limited access portions.
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Quote from: MikieTimT on May 11, 2020, 01:51:47 PM
It's 65 in Arkansas currently. That may change when Interstate speeds change in July.
I thought that US 67 in 70?
True, but it's Future I-57, so I kinda consider it an Interstate already for the limited access portions.
The law simply indicates a maximum for controlled-access highways and interstate highways being 70 mph. US-67 is not currently an interstate, and is posted at 70 mph.
The increase to 75 mph also applies to all controlled-access highways, not just interstate highways.
Quote from: vdeane on May 11, 2020, 01:02:04 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on May 11, 2020, 12:22:11 AM
When Pennsylvania expanded the number and expanse of its 70 MPH zones in 2016, that included a few non-Interstate freeways:
- US 15 (from Trout Run north to the NY state line)
- PA Tpk. 576
- PA Tpk. 45 (most)
- PA Tpk. 66 (most)
I wonder if PA actually does care. It's noteworthy that all those examples are either maintained by the PTC or a future interstate corridor. Then again, 70 zones are sparse enough on PennDOT roadways that it can be hard to tell.
There's actually quite a lot of 70 in PA - most of 80, most of present/future 99, 380, 79 (I think), Turnpike, etc. Mostly, PA doesn't have too much non-interstate freeway, and so it is hard to tell.
Quote from: Ketchup99 on May 11, 2020, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 11, 2020, 01:02:04 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on May 11, 2020, 12:22:11 AM
When Pennsylvania expanded the number and expanse of its 70 MPH zones in 2016, that included a few non-Interstate freeways:
- US 15 (from Trout Run north to the NY state line)
- PA Tpk. 576
- PA Tpk. 45 (most)
- PA Tpk. 66 (most)
I wonder if PA actually does care. It's noteworthy that all those examples are either maintained by the PTC or a future interstate corridor. Then again, 70 zones are sparse enough on PennDOT roadways that it can be hard to tell.
There's actually quite a lot of 70 in PA - most of 80, most of present/future 99, 380, 79 (I think), Turnpike, etc. Mostly, PA doesn't have too much non-interstate freeway, and so it is hard to tell.
There are still many roads that don't have any 70 zones for seemingly no reason, like I-81. It's hardly pervasive like it would be in other parts of the country.
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Quote from: Ketchup99 on May 11, 2020, 03:11:25 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 11, 2020, 01:02:04 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on May 11, 2020, 12:22:11 AM
When Pennsylvania expanded the number and expanse of its 70 MPH zones in 2016, that included a few non-Interstate freeways:
- US 15 (from Trout Run north to the NY state line)
- PA Tpk. 576
- PA Tpk. 45 (most)
- PA Tpk. 66 (most)
I wonder if PA actually does care. It's noteworthy that all those examples are either maintained by the PTC or a future interstate corridor. Then again, 70 zones are sparse enough on PennDOT roadways that it can be hard to tell.
There's actually quite a lot of 70 in PA - most of 80, most of present/future 99, 380, 79 (I think), Turnpike, etc. Mostly, PA doesn't have too much non-interstate freeway, and so it is hard to tell.
There are still many roads that don't have any 70 zones for seemingly no reason, like I-81. It's hardly pervasive like it would be in other parts of the country.
North Carolina still has a lot of 65 mph zones on segments that could easily be 70 mph, particularly on non-interstates, then other segments that are 70 mph throughout for long distances. Compare that to a state such as Virginia that posts 70 mph on most of its mileage.
Minnesota has a 65 cap to all non-Interstate freeways outside 494/694. There aren't many, but some non-interstate freeways posted at 65 include US 169, US 10, MN 101, US 12, US 10/61, and US 52.
Freeways inside 494/694 (Interstate or not) are capped at 60; these include MN 100 between 394 and 694, US 169 from 101st Ave to 494, US 10/61 from Lower Afton Road to 494, and most recently MN 5 from 494 east past the airport. All others are 55.
In Idaho, the maximum is currently 70 MPH, which you'll see on US-20 east of Idaho Falls and US-95 north of Coeur d'Alene. There is also a few stretches of 70 MPH 2 lane highways, US-20 west of Idaho Falls, and almost the entirety of ID-22 are the 2 examples I'm aware of. 70 is the maximum allowed in Idaho on a non-Interstate. All of these used to be 65 MPH, but when Interstates were raised from 75 to 80, non-interstates were allowed to raise from 65 to 70. None of them raised right away, but in the following couple years the freeways and a few 2-laners did.
In Oregon, it's usually, infuriatingly, 55. Examples include US-26 west of Portland and OR-22 east of Salem. ODOT is not allowed to raise above 55 even if they wanted to (and boy, those 2 really deserve it, the flow of traffic is generally close to 70). The only exceptions are explicitly allowed on specific highways in the law. So the real answer is 65 MPH, on US-97 between Bend and Sunriver, and between Bend and Redmond (both are not what I would call full freeways, but pretty close). Oddly enough, there is a 2 lane highway with a higher speed limit, US-95.
Washington gets it right, there is no speed limit discrimination between Interstates and non-Interstates. US-395 is 70 MPH between Pasco and Ritzville just like the rural interstates are. Though, there are some examples where their choices are questionable, such as the US-101/WA-8/US-12 expressway between Olympia and Aberdeen, which is posted at 60. If 70 is too fast for some reason, 65 would feel a lot more reasonable. For what it's worth, to my knowledge the highest 2 lane limit is 65, seen on quite a few highways including WA-14 and US-97.
Louisiana has very few freeways outside of interstates. But the highest on any of them is 65 mph.
LA 3132 in Shreveport is urban and is 60 mph.
US 167/Pineville Expressway is 50 mph starting at I-49 and increases to 55 and then to 65 as standards improve and medians/shoulders widen.
US 190 freeway in Mandeville is 55 mph
The Lake Pontchartain Causeway is 65 mph.
Business US 90 freeway through New Orleans is urban and stays at 60 mph.
Earhart Expressway in Metairie is 50 mph.
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Quote from: ozarkman417 on May 11, 2020, 12:25:48 AM
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* MO 13 between I-49 and the far western fringes of Clinton
Did you mean MO 7? Now would be the time to increase the speed limit to 70 on the MO 13 portion down to Springfield now that the Route O trafficlight has been removed and many J-turns have been recently constructed.
Yes, I meant MO 7. As for the MO 13, given the amount of traffic closer to Springfield I think it's more likely a 60 mph stretch may pop up someday, maybe even signalization of a few of the J-turns unless MoDOT manages to get funds for a full freeway upgrade.
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There may be others, but US 60 between Poplar Bluff and I-55 is certainly not one of them (though IMHO it should be).
It probably will be increased when that part of US 60 is upgraded to I-57.
Considering how many drivers are already going 75 on that stretch . . .
Quote from: doorknob60 on May 11, 2020, 06:06:28 PM
In Oregon, it's usually, infuriatingly, 55. Examples include US-26 west of Portland and OR-22 east of Salem. ODOT is not allowed to raise above 55 even if they wanted to (and boy, those 2 really deserve it, the flow of traffic is generally close to 70). The only exceptions are explicitly allowed on specific highways in the law. So the real answer is 65 MPH, on US-97 between Bend and Sunriver, and between Bend and Redmond (both are not what I would call full freeways, but pretty close). Oddly enough, there is a 2 lane highway with a higher speed limit, US-95.
I thought ODOT
did have the power to set 70 mph zones, but officials appointed by a governor who was very opposed to raising speed limits refused to do so, forcing the legislature to designate some zones themselves when said governor was finally gone?
Quote from: bassoon1986 on May 11, 2020, 08:22:49 PM
Louisiana has very few freeways outside of interstates. But the highest on any of them is 65 mph.
LA 3132 in Shreveport is urban and is 60 mph.
US 167/Pineville Expressway is 50 mph starting at I-49 and increases to 55 and then to 65 as standards improve and medians/shoulders widen.
US 190 freeway in Mandeville is 55 mph
The Lake Pontchartain Causeway is 65 mph.
Business US 90 freeway through New Orleans is urban and stays at 60 mph.
Earhart Expressway in Metairie is 50 mph.
The long stretches of US-90 freeway between Lafayette and New Orleans are 70 mph.
Quote from: vdeane on May 11, 2020, 09:53:11 PM
Quote from: doorknob60 on May 11, 2020, 06:06:28 PM
In Oregon, it's usually, infuriatingly, 55. Examples include US-26 west of Portland and OR-22 east of Salem. ODOT is not allowed to raise above 55 even if they wanted to (and boy, those 2 really deserve it, the flow of traffic is generally close to 70). The only exceptions are explicitly allowed on specific highways in the law. So the real answer is 65 MPH, on US-97 between Bend and Sunriver, and between Bend and Redmond (both are not what I would call full freeways, but pretty close). Oddly enough, there is a 2 lane highway with a higher speed limit, US-95.
I thought ODOT did have the power to set 70 mph zones, but officials appointed by a governor who was very opposed to raising speed limits refused to do so, forcing the legislature to designate some zones themselves when said governor was finally gone?
Sadly, it is a bit more complicated than that and even more sadly, highly unlikely ANYTHING positive is going to happen with regard to speed limits in Oregon any time soon. For one thing I believe that the 70 m.p.h. authorization that predated HB 3402 applied only to Interstate highways.
Western Oregon has some of the most oppressive speed limits on the entire planet. HB 3402 (passed in 2015 and went into full effect March 1, 2016) was an important first step but Western Oregon is not significantly better off today than it was in 1987. At this point I would be happy just to see 60 on I-205, US 26 west of Cedar Hills and 22 east of Salem and 70 I-5 between Eugene and Albany and between Kieser and Oregon 551. Sadly, I see NO hope of even that minimal relief at any point in the foreseeable future.
As a side note, as far as I am aware the Temporary Emergency Speed Zone Orders that were put into effect on parts of US 20 and US 97 in response to HB 3402, including the entire segment between Redmond and Madras are no longer valid but are still being unlawfully enforced.
Nevada
Urban freeways are limited to 65 mph, which comprise the bulk of non-interstate freeway facilities:
*US 395, from I-80 in Reno north to the California state line
*Summerlin Pkwy in Las Vegas
*CC 215 in Las Vegas
*US 95 in Las Vegas, from I-15 west/north to the city limits near SR 157
With the conversion of the US 95/SR 157 junction to an interchange, we now have a short stretch of 70mph non-interstate freeway:
*US 95 northwest of Las Vegas, from SR 157 to just north of the Snow Mountain interchange
Quote from: roadfro on May 13, 2020, 11:01:15 AM
Nevada
Urban freeways are limited to 65 mph, which comprise the bulk of non-interstate freeway facilities:
*US 395, from I-80 in Reno north to the California state line
*Summerlin Pkwy in Las Vegas
*CC 215 in Las Vegas
*US 95 in Las Vegas, from I-15 west/north to the city limits near SR 157
With the conversion of the US 95/SR 157 junction to an interchange, we now have a short stretch of 70mph non-interstate freeway:
*US 95 northwest of Las Vegas, from SR 157 to just north of the Snow Mountain interchange
Isn't there a 4 lane expressway posted at 75 south of Vegas?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 13, 2020, 11:36:33 AM
Quote from: roadfro on May 13, 2020, 11:01:15 AM
Nevada
Urban freeways are limited to 65 mph, which comprise the bulk of non-interstate freeway facilities:
*US 395, from I-80 in Reno north to the California state line
*Summerlin Pkwy in Las Vegas
*CC 215 in Las Vegas
*US 95 in Las Vegas, from I-15 west/north to the city limits near SR 157
With the conversion of the US 95/SR 157 junction to an interchange, we now have a short stretch of 70mph non-interstate freeway:
*US 95 northwest of Las Vegas, from SR 157 to just north of the Snow Mountain interchange
Isn't there a 4 lane expressway posted at 75 south of Vegas?
Expressway ≠ Freeway
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 11, 2020, 12:03:37 AM
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Either 65 or 70 MPH on CA 99. 65 MPH on CA 41, 168, 180, and 198.
I think it's 70 on CA 99 and parts of US 101.
Yes, there is a lot of 70 MPH on 99 north of Bakersfield to around the Fresno City Limit. There is another couple 70 MPH zones between Fresno and Merced. US 101 has a freeway segment with 70 MPH near San Lucas but much of the highway is an expressway signed 65 MPH. 101 was a little outside of my normal "day-to-day" area to include in my original post.
US-101 was posted 70 MPH from just south of King City to just north of San Miguel (where there is a break in the freeway) last I saw. I was last there about a year ago and CalTrans was apparently working on the the break, so it may be posted 70MPH all of the way to just north of Paso Robles when they get finished with what it looked like they were doing.
M-5 (Farmington Bypass): 70 (not 100% sure)
M-6: 70
M-8: 55
M-10 (Jefferson Ave to Wyoming Ave): 55
M-10 (Wyoming Ave to I-696): 70
M-14 (west of US-23): 65
M-14 (east of US-23): 70
M-39: 55 (there might be a small stretch of 70)
M-53: 70
M-59: 70
US-10 (Farwell to Bay City): 75
US-23 (OH line to Flint): 70
US-31 (IN line to Napier Ave): 70
US-31 (Grand Haven to Montague): 70
US-31 (Montague to Ludington): 75
US-127 (Jackson to DeWitt): 70
US-127 (DeWitt to St. Johns): 75
US-127 (Ithaca to Grayling): 75
US-131 (Portage to Cedar Springs): 70
US-131 (Cedar Springs to Manton): 75
Quote from: ftballfan on May 13, 2020, 07:22:35 PM
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M-14 (west of US-23): 65
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And 70 again from the top of the hill west of the Huron River bridge to I-94.
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Nevada
Urban freeways are limited to 65 mph, which comprise the bulk of non-interstate freeway facilities:
*US 395, from I-80 in Reno north to the California state line
*Summerlin Pkwy in Las Vegas
*CC 215 in Las Vegas
*US 95 in Las Vegas, from I-15 west/north to the city limits near SR 157
With the conversion of the US 95/SR 157 junction to an interchange, we now have a short stretch of 70mph non-interstate freeway:
*US 95 northwest of Las Vegas, from SR 157 to just north of the Snow Mountain interchange
Isn't there a 4 lane expressway posted at 75 south of Vegas?
Expressway ≠ Freeway
That can be more of a regional thing though. The Northeast US really doesn't use freeway all that often. An Expressway often has the same meaning as a Freeway elsewhere.
I guess I'll do all the freeways in Massachusetts
MA 24: 65
MA 140: 65
MA 213: 55
MA 57: 55
MA 2: 55
US 3: 55 :banghead: edit: now 65!
MA 3: 60
Lowell Connector: 55?
US 44: 55
US 1 55?
MA 1A don't know
US 6: 55 on 4 lane stretch, 50 on 2 lane stretch
MA 128: 55
MA 146: 65
MA 28: 55?
Surprising the number of 55s even outside 128. Some of these could really use an increase.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 13, 2020, 08:39:51 PM
MA 146: 65
146 is only 65 through ~ mile 13. North of that it goes like this:
- 55 until a decrease to 40 for the Boston Rd light
- 50 until ~ mile 16
- 55 until I-290
Arizona caps non-Interstates to 65 mph, freeway or not. I personally think in the Phoenix area, The Loop 101 Agua Fria Freeway, the Loop 202 SanTan and South Mountain Freeways, the 202 Red Mountain east of Loop 101, and the freeway portions of Loop 303 can handle 70 mph. Also I think I-10 east of US 60, I-10 west of the Loop 202 SMF, and and I-17 north of Loop 101 can handle 70 mph.
Outside the Phoenix area, the freeway portion of SR 89A in Prescott/Prescott Valley I think can handle 70 mph.
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Lowell Connector: 55?
Yup.
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US 1 55?
For a brief stretch in Revere, yes.
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MA 1A don't know
45 max, mostly much lower
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Nevada
Urban freeways are limited to 65 mph, which comprise the bulk of non-interstate freeway facilities:
*US 395, from I-80 in Reno north to the California state line
*Summerlin Pkwy in Las Vegas
*CC 215 in Las Vegas
*US 95 in Las Vegas, from I-15 west/north to the city limits near SR 157
With the conversion of the US 95/SR 157 junction to an interchange, we now have a short stretch of 70mph non-interstate freeway:
*US 95 northwest of Las Vegas, from SR 157 to just north of the Snow Mountain interchange
Isn't there a 4 lane expressway posted at 75 south of Vegas?
Expressway ≠ Freeway
That can be more of a regional thing though. The Northeast US really doesn't use freeway all that often. An Expressway often has the same meaning as a Freeway elsewhere.
True. However, Roadgeekteen (whose profile indicates he resides in the Northeast) specifically used the term "freeway" in the thread title and in the OP, so...
I will confirm that the divided highway portions of US 95 south of Boulder City are marked at 75mph, which is (to my knowledge) the only time you'll see a 75 speed limit on a non-freeway in Nevada.
Quote from: doorknob60 on May 11, 2020, 06:06:28 PM
Washington gets it right, there is no speed limit discrimination between Interstates and non-Interstates. US-395 is 70 MPH between Pasco and Ritzville just like the rural interstates are. Though, there are some examples where their choices are questionable, such as the US-101/WA-8/US-12 expressway between Olympia and Aberdeen, which is posted at 60. If 70 is too fast for some reason, 65 would feel a lot more reasonable. For what it's worth, to my knowledge the highest 2 lane limit is 65, seen on quite a few highways including WA-14 and US-97.
I also do not know of any posted two-lane roads above 65 in WA. There's no statutory cap on two-lane roads, but I've not seen one posted above 65. As far as the limits themselves, WA doesn't seem to use increments of 5 for their freeways. Everything is either 60 or 70. The two exceptions are I-90 over Snoqualmie Pass (sometimes lowered to 65), and WA-410 (55 for some reason). Limits up to 75 are allowed, but have not been posted yet (as I'm sure you know). WA definitely does not discriminate based on route type since everything is a state route at a basic level anyways, although they've practically limited state routes to 60 simply by not building any
super-rural state route freeways. WA-8, WA-16, and WA-18 could all qualify, but don't meet "typical" criteria because they're too close to suburbia, the segments wouldn't be long enough, etc. Evidently, having regular turns is not a disqualifier (US-395 has plenty of regular intersections), so WA-8 and WA-16 would still be OK in this regard, but the other issues might be the bigger reasons. A completed WA-18 should qualify for 70.
Oddly, although US-395 meets "freeway" criteria for WSDOT, the regular left and right turns at several points might disqualify it for this thread, leaving only rural interstates posted at 70, certainly giving the impression that WA
does have a special limit for interstates. But all things considered, this definitely isn't correct, since US-395 is posted at 70, and it's a US Route (it's just not a freeway by roadgeek standards).
Texas does not have a rule dictating interstates must have higher speed limits than other freeways.
However, all the freeways in the Houston area are capped at 65 for emission reasons.
Here's some of the south Texas ones outside the Houston standard.
TX 288 is 60 thru Lake Jackson
TX 21/71 is 65 thru Bastrop
TX 45 goes up to 80
TX 130, of course, is 85
TX 1 in Austin is 65
TX 6 goes up to 75
Loop 1604 goes up to 70
US 287/69/96 goes up to 75
I may be wrong, but I don't think there is a freeway in Texas with a speed limit under 60.
Quote from: CoreySamson on May 15, 2020, 05:34:21 PM
I may be wrong, but I don't think there is a freeway in Texas with a speed limit under 60.
Wasn't Houston capped at 55 for a while? (I know it's not now).
Quote from: jakeroot on May 15, 2020, 05:50:09 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on May 15, 2020, 05:34:21 PM
I may be wrong, but I don't think there is a freeway in Texas with a speed limit under 60.
Wasn't Houston capped at 55 for a while? (I know it's not now).
Every non-interstate highway was capped at 55 until 1995.
Quote from: CoreySamson on May 15, 2020, 05:34:21 PM
However, all the freeways in the Houston area are capped at 65 for emission reasons.
Isn't Loop 99 70 mph?
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Quote from: CoreySamson on May 15, 2020, 05:34:21 PM
However, all the freeways in the Houston area are capped at 65 for emission reasons.
Isn't Loop 99 70 mph?
That's Houston's outer beltway so maybe only everything inside that is 65.
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Quote from: CoreySamson on May 15, 2020, 05:34:21 PM
I may be wrong, but I don't think there is a freeway in Texas with a speed limit under 60.
Wasn't Houston capped at 55 for a while? (I know it's not now).
Every non-interstate highway was capped at 55 until 1995.
No shit. I'm referring to recently.
Found the answer myself. Imposed in late 2001:
State lowers Houston's speed limit to 55 (https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/State-lowers-Houston-s-speed-limit-to-55-2065468.php)
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Quote from: sprjus4 on May 15, 2020, 06:09:32 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on May 15, 2020, 05:34:21 PM
However, all the freeways in the Houston area are capped at 65 for emission reasons.
Isn't Loop 99 70 mph?
That's Houston's outer beltway so maybe only everything inside that is 65.
Except US-59, I-69, I-45, I-10, and US-290 remain 65 mph (with actual speeds frequently in excess of 75 mph) until well far outside of Houston. They bump to 75 mph at the edge of county lines, likely apart of the environmental speed limit zone. SH-99 is right in the zone though, and is largely 70 mph.
Edit - Actually, segments of Loop 99 (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.0248243,-95.7663267,3a,37.8y,23.97h,86.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3C6jMlUV4ggUYGRrbd3dDg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) get up to 75 mph.
2016 article...
I-10 speed limit drops to 65 mph east of Houston (https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/texas/i-10-speed-limit-drops-to-65-mph-east-of-houston/285-309640402)
QuoteThe Texas Department of Transportation has announced they will lower the speed limit on Interstate 10 between Chambers County and the Beaumont area from 75 mph to 65 mph.
They say the speed limits will be lowered to 65 mph Monday, Aug. 29. They say troopers will begin enforcing the speed limit once signs are installed.
They say the change is a result of a traffic and engineering study as well as the crash history of this section of roadway.
If you have friends who regularly travel in the area, give them a heads up!
I find it hard to believe this was for "safety" reasons. The interstate is mostly straight, and even with 65 mph posted, the majority of traffic still travels between 75 and 80 mph. The 75 mph speed limit was quite appropriate when it was in place, and ever since lowering it, traffic has barely slowed down from my experience.
If anything, it should have only dropped to 70 mph. Once past the split near Winnie, it finally bumps to 75 mph though is currently lower due to a work zone, unless of course they'll want to lower that also once it's expanded to 6 lanes.
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Either 65 or 70 MPH on CA 99. 65 MPH on CA 41, 168, 180, and 198.
I think it's 70 on CA 99 and parts of US 101.
Yes, there is a lot of 70 MPH on 99 north of Bakersfield to around the Fresno City Limit. There is another couple 70 MPH zones between Fresno and Merced. US 101 has a freeway segment with 70 MPH near San Lucas but much of the highway is an expressway signed 65 MPH. 101 was a little outside of my normal "day-to-day" area to include in my original post.
US-101 was posted 70 MPH from just south of King City to just north of San Miguel (where there is a break in the freeway) last I saw. I was last there about a year ago and CalTrans was apparently working on the the break, so it may be posted 70MPH all of the way to just north of Paso Robles when they get finished with what it looked like they were doing.
I forgot, and am surprised that no one else mentioned, CASR-58. Portions are posted at 70 MPH near Edwards Air Force Base. I haven't heard whether they have extended the 70MPH sections since opening the bypasses. I know that they extended 70 MPH in one section where they later discovered that it was illegal (some cross traffic) and dropped it to 65MPH. They did
not increase the posted limit from 65MPH when the Mojave bypass opened. I also know that the first several km after leaving I-15 are unposted and a reasonable person might believe that the 70 MPH last seen on I-15 was in effect.
This thread isn't about interstates,California needs to get with the program (in the eastern parts anyway) and permit posting of 80MPH on the portions of I-10, I-15, I-40, and CASR-58 where it would be safe. Of course, I'd be in favor of changing the speed limit in many cases to "DRIVE CAREFULLY", but that's another topic!
The highest speed limit you will see in New York is 65. The following non-Interstate freeways have 65 MPH sections:
-Most of the US 219 expressway in Erie County
-Most of the NY 400 expressway in Erie County
-NY 531 in Monroe County
-NY 5 expressway in Onondaga County
-NY 481 expressway in Onondaga and Oswego Counties
-NY 690 in Onondaga County
-NY 695 in Onondaga County
-NY 49 expressway in Oneida County
-NY 7 expressway in Albany County
-NY 17 expressway (Waverly-Endwell, Windsor-Deposit, and east of Roscoe, except for drops around Monticello and Wurtsboro)
-The non-Interstate portion of the New York State Thruway within Exit 24
-The non-Interstate portion of the Berkshire Spur
-The Garden State Parkway Connector
Originally, 65 was limited to Interstates in rural areas, with a specific exception in the law for the NY 17 expressway. It has since been expanded to cover most of the rest of Upstate. No roads on Long Island have a speed limit above 55, nor does anything south of I-287 with the exception of the GSP Connector.
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However, all the freeways in the Houston area are capped at 65 for emission reasons.
Isn't Loop 99 70 mph?
That's Houston's outer beltway so maybe only everything inside that is 65.
Except US-59, I-69, I-45, I-10, and US-290 remain 65 mph (with actual speeds frequently in excess of 75 mph) until well far outside of Houston. They bump to 75 mph at the edge of county lines, likely apart of the environmental speed limit zone. SH-99 is right in the zone though, and is largely 70 mph.
Edit - Actually, segments of Loop 99 (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.0248243,-95.7663267,3a,37.8y,23.97h,86.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3C6jMlUV4ggUYGRrbd3dDg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) get up to 75 mph.
Interesting, I was not aware 99 had a speed limit that high. But if 99 gets a speed limit of 75, how come segments like 288 in rural Brazoria County and 249 near Tomball only have speed limits of 65? 288 for instance could easily handle 75. Does 99 qualify for higher speed limits because not as many people use it?
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However, all the freeways in the Houston area are capped at 65 for emission reasons.
Isn't Loop 99 70 mph?
That's Houston's outer beltway so maybe only everything inside that is 65.
Except US-59, I-69, I-45, I-10, and US-290 remain 65 mph (with actual speeds frequently in excess of 75 mph) until well far outside of Houston. They bump to 75 mph at the edge of county lines, likely apart of the environmental speed limit zone. SH-99 is right in the zone though, and is largely 70 mph.
Edit - Actually, segments of Loop 99 (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.0248243,-95.7663267,3a,37.8y,23.97h,86.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3C6jMlUV4ggUYGRrbd3dDg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) get up to 75 mph.
Interesting, I was not aware 99 had a speed limit that high. But if 99 gets a speed limit of 75, how come segments like 288 in rural Brazoria County and 249 near Tomball only have speed limits of 65? 288 for instance could easily handle 75. Does 99 qualify for higher speed limits because not as many people use it?
Likely an exception because as far as I'm aware, the Houston metro has a 65 mph maximum speed limit stretching well outside of Loop 99.
I-10, I-45, I-69, US-290, SH-288, SH-249, and other roads outside and even inside of Loop 99 should all be posted up to 75 mph.
Assuming Wikipedia can be believed on this, Houston's environmental 65 mph speed limits were banned by the state legislature in 2003, but the law only applied to new road mileage - existing limits were allowed to remain, but no new road mileage may be subject to the 65 mph cap.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on May 18, 2020, 11:03:28 AM
Assuming Wikipedia can be believed on this, Houston's environmental 65 mph speed limits were banned by the state legislature in 2003, but the law only applied to new road mileage - existing limits were allowed to remain, but no new road mileage may be subject to the 65 mph cap.
Does that mean no new freeways in Houston can be 65 anymore or can they still be 65?
It means new freeways don't HAVE to be 65. They can still be 65 if that's the appropriate speed limit, but they aren't subject to the environmental cap.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on May 18, 2020, 11:26:13 AM
It means new freeways don't HAVE to be 65. They can still be 65 if that's the appropriate speed limit, but they aren't subject to the environmental cap.
I suppose that explains why segments of Loop 99 are posted at 75 mph.
I tweeted TxDOT a couple years ago in regards to the 65 mph limit along I-10 well east of Houston, and they said it was due to the environmental regulation, however as I posted above it was 75 mph just a few years ago and was decreased due to "safety" reasons despite most people still going 75 - 80 mph, the same speed people drove prior to the decrease.
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It's 65 in Arkansas currently. That may change when Interstate speeds change in July.
I thought that US 67 in 70?
US 67 is 70 mph from north of Jacksonville to Walnut Ridge. it drops to 60 mph just north of town where it turns into the "5 lane freeway".
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Washington gets it right, there is no speed limit discrimination between Interstates and non-Interstates. US-395 is 70 MPH between Pasco and Ritzville just like the rural interstates are. Though, there are some examples where their choices are questionable, such as the US-101/WA-8/US-12 expressway between Olympia and Aberdeen, which is posted at 60. If 70 is too fast for some reason, 65 would feel a lot more reasonable. For what it's worth, to my knowledge the highest 2 lane limit is 65, seen on quite a few highways including WA-14 and US-97.
I also do not know of any posted two-lane roads above 65 in WA.
I can definitively say there are none, as I've looked at WSDOT's GIS data on speed limits and the only highways with 70 mph limits have at least 4 lanes. In fact, might as well just give a picture of that data (only speed limits of 55 or higher are shown to avoid clutter).
(https://i.imgur.com/F1i9Ljm.png)
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There's no statutory cap on two-lane roads, but I've not seen one posted above 65. As far as the limits themselves, WA doesn't seem to use increments of 5 for their freeways. Everything is either 60 or 70. The two exceptions are I-90 over Snoqualmie Pass (sometimes lowered to 65).
Actually the variable limits are capped at 65 over Snoqualmie Pass from Exit 47 to about halfway in between Exits 63 and 70. This is also reflected in the map above. I didn't realize this for a long time because some of the variable speed limit signs can show 70 so I thought the ones I saw showing 65 were always being reduced from 70.
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Oddly, although US-395 meets "freeway" criteria for WSDOT, the regular left and right turns at several points might disqualify it for this thread, leaving only rural interstates posted at 70, certainly giving the impression that WA does have a special limit for interstates. But all things considered, this definitely isn't correct, since US-395 is posted at 70, and it's a US Route (it's just not a freeway by roadgeek standards).
I'd argue some segments of 395 are without at-grade crossroads for long enough to count as a freeway, notably from south of WA-21 to the interchange with I-90, which is more than 15 miles long.
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Washington gets it right, there is no speed limit discrimination between Interstates and non-Interstates. US-395 is 70 MPH between Pasco and Ritzville just like the rural interstates are. Though, there are some examples where their choices are questionable, such as the US-101/WA-8/US-12 expressway between Olympia and Aberdeen, which is posted at 60. If 70 is too fast for some reason, 65 would feel a lot more reasonable. For what it's worth, to my knowledge the highest 2 lane limit is 65, seen on quite a few highways including WA-14 and US-97.
I also do not know of any posted two-lane roads above 65 in WA.
I can definitively say there are none, as I've looked at WSDOT's GIS data on speed limits and the only highways with 70 mph limits have at least 4 lanes. In fact, might as well just give a picture of that data (only speed limits of 55 or higher are shown to avoid clutter).
(https://i.imgur.com/F1i9Ljm.png)
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There's no statutory cap on two-lane roads, but I've not seen one posted above 65. As far as the limits themselves, WA doesn't seem to use increments of 5 for their freeways. Everything is either 60 or 70. The two exceptions are I-90 over Snoqualmie Pass (sometimes lowered to 65).
Actually the variable limits are capped at 65 over Snoqualmie Pass from Exit 47 to about halfway in between Exits 63 and 70. This is also reflected in the map above. I didn't realize this for a long time because some of the variable speed limit signs can show 70 so I thought the ones I saw showing 65 were always being reduced from 70.
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Oddly, although US-395 meets "freeway" criteria for WSDOT, the regular left and right turns at several points might disqualify it for this thread, leaving only rural interstates posted at 70, certainly giving the impression that WA does have a special limit for interstates. But all things considered, this definitely isn't correct, since US-395 is posted at 70, and it's a US Route (it's just not a freeway by roadgeek standards).
I'd argue some segments of 395 are without at-grade crossroads for long enough to count as a freeway, notably from south of WA-21 to the interchange with I-90, which is more than 15 miles long.
On the basis of this map, I believe that WA is quite reasonable with its speed limits.
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Washington gets it right, there is no speed limit discrimination between Interstates and non-Interstates. US-395 is 70 MPH between Pasco and Ritzville just like the rural interstates are. Though, there are some examples where their choices are questionable, such as the US-101/WA-8/US-12 expressway between Olympia and Aberdeen, which is posted at 60. If 70 is too fast for some reason, 65 would feel a lot more reasonable. For what it's worth, to my knowledge the highest 2 lane limit is 65, seen on quite a few highways including WA-14 and US-97.
I also do not know of any posted two-lane roads above 65 in WA.
I can definitively say there are none, as I've looked at WSDOT's GIS data on speed limits and the only highways with 70 mph limits have at least 4 lanes. In fact, might as well just give a picture of that data (only speed limits of 55 or higher are shown to avoid clutter).
(https://i.imgur.com/F1i9Ljm.png)
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There's no statutory cap on two-lane roads, but I've not seen one posted above 65. As far as the limits themselves, WA doesn't seem to use increments of 5 for their freeways. Everything is either 60 or 70. The two exceptions are I-90 over Snoqualmie Pass (sometimes lowered to 65).
Actually the variable limits are capped at 65 over Snoqualmie Pass from Exit 47 to about halfway in between Exits 63 and 70. This is also reflected in the map above. I didn't realize this for a long time because some of the variable speed limit signs can show 70 so I thought the ones I saw showing 65 were always being reduced from 70.
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Oddly, although US-395 meets "freeway" criteria for WSDOT, the regular left and right turns at several points might disqualify it for this thread, leaving only rural interstates posted at 70, certainly giving the impression that WA does have a special limit for interstates. But all things considered, this definitely isn't correct, since US-395 is posted at 70, and it's a US Route (it's just not a freeway by roadgeek standards).
I'd argue some segments of 395 are without at-grade crossroads for long enough to count as a freeway, notably from south of WA-21 to the interchange with I-90, which is more than 15 miles long.
On the basis of this map, I believe that WA is quite reasonable with its speed limits.
The colors between 65 and 60 are pretty hard to tell apart though.
In Florida the 70 mph maximum on interstates is used on non interstates as well. In fact FDOT just raised SR 528 to 65 mph on the western 8 miles that was always 55 up until the HOT lanes were opened just last year. I think only around the Orlando International Airport the 55 mph speed limit is still left.
Florida is usually pretty good about freeways regardless of designation on them.
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I may be wrong, but I don't think there is a freeway in Texas with a speed limit under 60.
Wasn't Houston capped at 55 for a while? (I know it's not now).
When the environmental speed limits were put in place, the speed limits in the Houston area were capped at 55. This is shown in minute order 108794. Many people protested this, and I think it went to court. I seem to recall the just blocking the order. The signs may never have been changed. Later, another minute order was issued, number 109064, which, as I recall, followed the DFW model of reducing the regular limit by 5.
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The colors between 65 and 60 are pretty hard to tell apart though.
Here's a version with 60 as green:
(https://i.imgur.com/l2GvqO9.png)
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When Pennsylvania expanded the number and expanse of its 70 MPH zones in 2016, that included a few non-Interstate freeways:
- US 15 (from Trout Run north to the NY state line)
- PA Tpk. 576
- PA Tpk. 45 (most)
- PA Tpk. 66 (most)
I wonder if PA actually does care. It's noteworthy that all those examples are either maintained by the PTC or a future interstate corridor. Then again, 70 zones are sparse enough on PennDOT roadways that it can be hard to tell.
There's actually quite a lot of 70 in PA - most of 80, most of present/future 99, 380, 79 (I think), Turnpike, etc. Mostly, PA doesn't have too much non-interstate freeway, and so it is hard to tell.
There are still many roads that don't have any 70 zones for seemingly no reason, like I-81. It's hardly pervasive like it would be in other parts of the country.
North Carolina still has a lot of 65 mph zones on segments that could easily be 70 mph, particularly on non-interstates, then other segments that are 70 mph throughout for long distances. Compare that to a state such as Virginia that posts 70 mph on most of its mileage.
The Monroe Expressway? It could easily be 70 mph but yet, it's only 65 mph.
^ Are you referring to back then or present day? Because there are definitely more roads in Massachusetts asides from the Turnpike that are posted at 65 mph, and at least one at 60 mph.
Quote from: SafeSpeeder on September 04, 2021, 12:42:35 PM
Really? They have 60 mph limits? I have never seen that yet, most speed limits just jump back and forth between 55 and 65, 60 is a real thing? Have never even seen 60 mph recommended signs around curves. Any in NY or NJ?
MA-3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0489581,-70.7238094,3a,36.4y,172.52h,87.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suTd0ws00POrwN-Ce5KQ-Fg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en-US) (not to be confused with US-3 north of Boston, which is
still stuck at 55 mph) is posted at 60 mph between I-93 and Sagamore. This road could likely be 65 mph, but 60 mph is better than 55 mph I suppose.
I don't believe New York or New Jersey have any. A few exist in Maryland, Delaware, and Maine, however, and Pennsylvania has had 60 mph on temporary work zones (normal 70 mph zones) but not any official, permanent zones.
Ohio doesn't really distinguish between interstate and non-interstate freeways for speed limits. Plenty of non-interstate freeways signed at 70 mph.
US 67-167 between Jacksonville and Walnut Ridge is signed at 75 mph. AR 440 - 65 mph.
Quote from: SkyPesos on September 04, 2021, 01:26:15 PM
Ohio doesn't really distinguish between interstate and non-interstate freeways for speed limits. Plenty of non-interstate freeways signed at 70 mph.
And even some non-freeways (e.g. US 30, US 24).
Interestingly I believe the only states that post freeways and non-freeways at the same maximum speed limit are Ohio (70), New Mexico (75), Missouri (70), Oregon (70), and Hawaii (60), with Oregon and Hawaii being the only ones to post the same maximum speed limit on a freeway and a 2-lane road.
Quote from: SkyPesos on September 04, 2021, 01:26:15 PM
Ohio doesn't really distinguish between interstate and non-interstate freeways for speed limits. Plenty of non-interstate freeways signed at 70 mph.
Same for Michigan, we have speed limits as high as 75 mph but they are all Interstate quality freeways even though a few are US highways. 65 mph is the max limit for non freeways.
^ Virginia is the same way, though VDOT will usually cap all the non-interstate freeways at 65 mph, despite state law permitting 70 mph on any limited access facility. The US-29 freeway near Lynchburg is posted at 70 mph though, the only non-interstate example in the state.
Florida is 70 just as interstate speeds are.
Quote from: sprjus4 on September 04, 2021, 12:29:15 PM
^ Are you referring to back then or present day? Because there are definitely more roads in Massachusetts asides from the Turnpike that are posted at 65 mph, and at least one at 60 mph.
Right now. It's currently 65 mph for some unknown reason and yet it can easily be 70 mph. The same goes for I-74 near Asheboro.