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Title: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: hbelkins on June 10, 2020, 01:45:55 PM
We've discussed state routes that carry the same number into three states. (NC/VA/WV 16 being the nearest example to me).

Are there any examples of state routes that directly connect states that have different numbers that extend into three or more states?

Two fictional examples of what would work.

SR 1 becomes SR 53 at the first state line, then becomes SR 19 at the next state line. (Changes number in all three states).

SR 1 remains SR 1 at the first state line, but becomes SR 22 at the next state line. (Keeps its number in two states but changes upon entering the third state.)
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: hotdogPi on June 10, 2020, 01:46:55 PM
PA 29, NY 7, VT/NH/ME 9
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: vdeane on June 10, 2020, 02:11:57 PM
Not yet, but hopefully someday (gotta fill in that big gap in QC 138): NY 30/QC 138/NL 510
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on June 10, 2020, 02:42:24 PM
IA 60/MN 60/WIS 25
SD 42/IA 9/WIS 82
MT 5/ND 5/MN 175
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: Konza on June 10, 2020, 05:06:23 PM
How about SD 71/NE 2/IA 2/IL 9/IN 26/OH 119?
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on June 10, 2020, 05:26:45 PM
Quote from: Konza on June 10, 2020, 05:06:23 PM
How about SD 71/NE 2/IA 2/IL 9/IN 26/OH 119?

I don't think this fits because SD 71 doesn't turn into NE 2.
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 10, 2020, 05:44:19 PM
IL 119/IN 28/OH 571
IN 26 is no longer continuous, so I'm not sure if IL 9/IN 26/OH 119 counts
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: BrianP on June 10, 2020, 05:51:27 PM
MD 51/WV 9/VA 9
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: webny99 on June 10, 2020, 05:53:38 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on June 10, 2020, 05:26:45 PM
SD 71 doesn't turn into NE 2.

That's OK. One NE2 is enough, thank you.  :-D
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: Konza on June 10, 2020, 06:08:18 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on June 10, 2020, 05:26:45 PM
Quote from: Konza on June 10, 2020, 05:06:23 PM
How about SD 71/NE 2/IA 2/IL 9/IN 26/OH 119?

I don't think this fits because SD 71 doesn't turn into NE 2.

The information I have shows that Nebraska 2 ends at the South Dakota border in a multiplex with Nebraska 71 and the route that continues north is SD 71.  So SD 71 turns into both NE 2 and NE 71.

NE 2 is also discontinuous between Grand Island and Lincoln, but the two segments used to be connected via a multiplex with US 34, which can still be followed between the two sections.  Even with the gap, NE 2 is still 422 miles long.

Ditto with Indiana 26; the only section that is discontinuous is the section through Lafayette and West Lafayette; I will restate my opinion that motorists can benefit from guidance in metropolitan areas at least as much as between them.

Even allowing for the objections raised, this remains a four state route:  NE, IA, IL, IN.
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: Eth on June 10, 2020, 08:32:45 PM
GA 20/AL 9/FL 187. Nobody said they all had to be signed. :)
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: Scott5114 on June 10, 2020, 11:39:49 PM
Many of Oklahoma's routes do this. One that comes to mind is TX-203/OK-9/I-540 (AR).
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: US 89 on June 10, 2020, 11:55:41 PM
Nevada 233/Utah 30/Wyoming 89.
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: Mapmikey on June 11, 2020, 06:47:29 AM

FL 75 -> AL 1 -> TN 10 -> KY 99

Here's a less obvious one:

FL 63 -> GA 1 -> TN 27 -> AL 2
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: DandyDan on June 11, 2020, 06:58:38 AM
There's WY 24, SD 34, and MN 30.
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on June 11, 2020, 10:18:53 AM
Quote from: Konza on June 10, 2020, 06:08:18 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on June 10, 2020, 05:26:45 PM
Quote from: Konza on June 10, 2020, 05:06:23 PM
How about SD 71/NE 2/IA 2/IL 9/IN 26/OH 119?

I don't think this fits because SD 71 doesn't turn into NE 2.

The information I have shows that Nebraska 2 ends at the South Dakota border in a multiplex with Nebraska 71 and the route that continues north is SD 71.  So SD 71 turns into both NE 2 and NE 71.

NE 2 is also discontinuous between Grand Island and Lincoln, but the two segments used to be connected via a multiplex with US 34, which can still be followed between the two sections.  Even with the gap, NE 2 is still 422 miles long.

Ditto with Indiana 26; the only section that is discontinuous is the section through Lafayette and West Lafayette; I will restate my opinion that motorists can benefit from guidance in metropolitan areas at least as much as between them.

Even allowing for the objections raised, this remains a four state route:  NE, IA, IL, IN.

I'll be darned then. Question then, for another thread and discussion is why Nebraska got rid of one duplex they saw as useless (the one linking the NE 2 segments) but kept the 2/71 pairing.  :confused: :pan:
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: kphoger on June 11, 2020, 10:57:16 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 10, 2020, 11:39:49 PM
Many of Oklahoma's routes do this. One that comes to mind is TX-203/OK-9/I-540 (AR).

I was under the impression that US and Interstate Routes didn't count when considering MSRs.
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: hotdogPi on June 11, 2020, 10:58:29 AM
Quote from: kphoger on June 11, 2020, 10:57:16 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 10, 2020, 11:39:49 PM
Many of Oklahoma's routes do this. One that comes to mind is TX-203/OK-9/I-540 (AR).

I was under the impression that US and Interstate Routes didn't count when considering MSRs.

What would US/MA 1A be, then? (The US part is in Rhode Island.)
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: kphoger on June 11, 2020, 11:04:38 AM
Quote from: 1 on June 11, 2020, 10:58:29 AM

Quote from: kphoger on June 11, 2020, 10:57:16 AM

Quote from: Scott5114 on June 10, 2020, 11:39:49 PM
Many of Oklahoma's routes do this. One that comes to mind is TX-203/OK-9/I-540 (AR).

I was under the impression that US and Interstate Routes didn't count when considering MSRs.

What would US/MA 1A be, then? (The US part is in Rhode Island.)

It's US-1A in Rhode Island but MA-1A in Massachusetts.
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: vdeane on June 11, 2020, 12:52:41 PM
Rhode Island downgraded US 1A to RI 1A (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7482994,-71.4230582,3a,34.3y,56.41h,87.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8EdVUs2YiUcGYhMjWrlA1w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: DandyDan on June 13, 2020, 03:12:09 AM
There's OK 18, K-15, NE 15, and SD 19. For international variations, there's K-14, NE 14, SD 37, ND 1, and Manitoba Highway 31.
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: SectorZ on June 13, 2020, 06:34:52 AM
Quote from: vdeane on June 11, 2020, 12:52:41 PM
Rhode Island downgraded US 1A to RI 1A (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7482994,-71.4230582,3a,34.3y,56.41h,87.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8EdVUs2YiUcGYhMjWrlA1w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).

I believe it is still US 1A and RI has just been putting up the wrong signs.
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: dgolub on June 13, 2020, 07:09:41 AM
PA 434/NY 55/CT 55
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: Scott5114 on June 14, 2020, 04:48:27 AM
Quote from: kphoger on June 11, 2020, 10:57:16 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 10, 2020, 11:39:49 PM
Many of Oklahoma's routes do this. One that comes to mind is TX-203/OK-9/I-540 (AR).

I was under the impression that US and Interstate Routes didn't count when considering MSRs.

MSRs are a concept invented by roadgeeks and have no technical definition.

Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: dlsterner on June 14, 2020, 06:58:28 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 14, 2020, 04:48:27 AM
MSRs are a concept invented by roadgeeks and have no technical definition.

I agree with this.  I consider that when a state road keeps its number crossing a state line, that it is simply a courtesy by one of the states and nothing more.

As an example, consider one of the more famous ones, comprised of ID 200, MT 200, ND 200, and MN 200 (I'm not going to call it "MSR 200").

Suppose Montana wanted to renumber MT 200 (I know, silly idea but within their right) to something else. They can do this on their own and neither involve nor get permission from Idaho nor North Dakota.
Title: Re: Multi-state routes with different route numbers?
Post by: kphoger on June 15, 2020, 11:09:57 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 14, 2020, 04:48:27 AM

Quote from: kphoger on June 11, 2020, 10:57:16 AM

Quote from: Scott5114 on June 10, 2020, 11:39:49 PM
Many of Oklahoma's routes do this. One that comes to mind is TX-203/OK-9/I-540 (AR).

I was under the impression that US and Interstate Routes didn't count when considering MSRs.

MSRs are a concept invented by roadgeeks and have no technical definition.

Obviously.  But, to my eyes, "US-anything" doesn't match a designation that includes "SR".