The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) is a six-block area around the East Precinct of Seattle PD on Capitol Hill that has been transformed from a police-enforced riot zone to a community block party. There's free food, artwork, gardens, and of course road signs:
(https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1599109/seattles-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/7qlSqJU.jpg)
Also this mural on Pine Street:
(https://i.redd.it/rxllpyxtve451.jpg)
(Despite what the national media says, this is not a citywide "takeover". I was able to drive into the area and find plenty of parking, only saw one unarmed guard at the vehicle barrier, and plenty of medic tents.)
That Exit sign is a total abortion. All that effort and the best they could do is come up with a highway shield rendition of Guybrush Threepwood?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 14, 2020, 12:19:20 AM
That Exit sign is a total abortion.
*Joker voice* Very poor choice of words... :biggrin:
Isn't Chaz the name of Sonny & Cher's kid?
Please limit discussion on this topic to the signing, striping, and roads of CHAZ, not the politics.
So, on the topic of CHAZ signing...
Anyone brave enough to go in their and enforce the MUTCD?
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 14, 2020, 12:33:48 PM
So, on the topic of CHAZ signing...
Anyone brave enough to go in their and enforce the MUTCD?
I mean, it's not exactly state-maintained signage...
Also, I love that roadgeeks see "protesters take over six blocks of downtown Seattle, police retreat from precincts" and the immediate reaction is "Road signs!"
Quote from: US71 on June 14, 2020, 10:50:36 AM
Isn't Chaz the name of Sonny & Cher's kid?
It's also an example of why using too many abbreviations isn't a good thing. CHAZ sounds like a dude you'd meet at the local sports bar who has been down on his luck after being laid off from the paper factory.
I'm interested to know the numbering schematics that allow for "exit 1312."
Quote from: Ketchup99 on June 14, 2020, 01:59:58 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 14, 2020, 12:33:48 PM
So, on the topic of CHAZ signing...
Anyone brave enough to go in their and enforce the MUTCD?
I mean, it's not exactly state-maintained signage...
Also, I love that roadgeeks see "protesters take over six blocks of downtown Seattle, police retreat from precincts" and the immediate reaction is "Road signs!"
I kind of wonder how much some of those signs would go for on eBay or a signage swap meet.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 14, 2020, 02:16:03 PM
Quote from: US71 on June 14, 2020, 10:50:36 AM
Isn't Chaz the name of Sonny & Cher's kid?
It's also an example of why using too many abbreviations isn't a good thing. CHAZ sounds like a dude you'd meet at the local sports bar who has been down on his luck after being laid off from the paper factory.
Some are now pressing for a new acronym: https://mynorthwest.com/1945236/rantz-chaz-chop-name-change/?
Soon there'll be arguments over who gets to hold the conch.
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 14, 2020, 02:21:11 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 14, 2020, 02:16:03 PM
Quote from: US71 on June 14, 2020, 10:50:36 AM
Isn't Chaz the name of Sonny & Cher's kid?
It's also an example of why using too many abbreviations isn't a good thing. CHAZ sounds like a dude you'd meet at the local sports bar who has been down on his luck after being laid off from the paper factory.
Some are now pressing for a new acronym: https://mynorthwest.com/1945236/rantz-chaz-chop-name-change/?
Soon there'll be arguments over who gets to hold the conch.
CHOP sounds like a delicious pork product from the local deli to me.
Doubt that a MUTCD would fit in very well with the concept behind CHAZ.
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 14, 2020, 02:16:22 PM
I'm interested to know the numbering schematics that allow for "exit 1312."
Foot based exits?
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 14, 2020, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 14, 2020, 02:16:22 PM
I'm interested to know the numbering schematics that allow for "exit 1312."
Foot based exits?
"Exits 13-12", maybe?
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 14, 2020, 02:16:22 PM
I'm interested to know the numbering schematics that allow for "exit 1312."
Using I-5's mileage from the Mexican border actually gets you pretty close (about 40 miles off).
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 14, 2020, 02:16:22 PM
I'm interested to know the numbering schematics that allow for "exit 1312."
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthumbs.gfycat.com%2FLightJaggedBluefish-small.gif&hash=96d1843a61163ca278ffed10ed9b7e562902c786)
Instead of a typical Department of Transportation, there should be DOGS: Department Of Graffiti Signs.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 14, 2020, 02:30:30 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on June 14, 2020, 02:21:11 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 14, 2020, 02:16:03 PM
Quote from: US71 on June 14, 2020, 10:50:36 AM
Isn't Chaz the name of Sonny & Cher's kid?
It's also an example of why using too many abbreviations isn't a good thing. CHAZ sounds like a dude you'd meet at the local sports bar who has been down on his luck after being laid off from the paper factory.
Some are now pressing for a new acronym: https://mynorthwest.com/1945236/rantz-chaz-chop-name-change/?
Soon there'll be arguments over who gets to hold the conch.
CHOP sounds like a delicious pork product from the local deli to me.
Around here, CHOP is the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia which is one of the top children's hospitals in the country. We were there plenty of times for our son in his early years (doing great now though). I hope they move on to another acronym...
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 14, 2020, 02:16:03 PM
Quote from: US71 on June 14, 2020, 10:50:36 AM
Isn't Chaz the name of Sonny & Cher's kid?
It's also an example of why using too many abbreviations isn't a good thing. CHAZ sounds like a dude you'd meet at the local sports bar who has been down on his luck after being laid off from the paper factory.
I tend to think of the magic sword (https://sluggy.fandom.com/wiki/Chaz).
Quote from: Ketchup99 on June 14, 2020, 01:59:58 PM
I love that roadgeeks see "protesters take over six blocks of downtown Seattle, police retreat from precincts" and the immediate reaction is "Road signs!"
I'm dumbfounded that anybody bothered to make road signs. Maybe roadgeekery is more common than I assumed.
Quote from: Alps on June 14, 2020, 12:19:36 PM
Please limit discussion on this topic to the signing, striping, and roads of CHAZ, not the politics.
What? No OTAZ (Off-Topic Autonomous Zone)? :sombrero:
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on June 15, 2020, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: Alps on June 14, 2020, 12:19:36 PM
Please limit discussion on this topic to the signing, striping, and roads of CHAZ, not the politics.
What? No OTAZ (Off-Topic Autonomous Zone)? :sombrero:
Much agreed. If we were to limit discussion to signing, striping, and roads only of CHAZ, it belongs here: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?board=27.0
This is for everything else.
Quote from: Brandon on June 15, 2020, 02:11:12 PM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on June 15, 2020, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: Alps on June 14, 2020, 12:19:36 PM
Please limit discussion on this topic to the signing, striping, and roads of CHAZ, not the politics.
What? No OTAZ (Off-Topic Autonomous Zone)? :sombrero:
Much agreed. If we were to limit discussion to signing, striping, and roads only of CHAZ, it belongs here: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?board=27.0
This is for everything else.
Forum rules still apply to Off-Topic, and always have.
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 15, 2020, 02:33:08 PM
Quote from: Brandon on June 15, 2020, 02:11:12 PM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on June 15, 2020, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: Alps on June 14, 2020, 12:19:36 PM
Please limit discussion on this topic to the signing, striping, and roads of CHAZ, not the politics.
What? No OTAZ (Off-Topic Autonomous Zone)? :sombrero:
Much agreed. If we were to limit discussion to signing, striping, and roads only of CHAZ, it belongs here: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?board=27.0
This is for everything else.
Forum rules still apply to Off-Topic, and always have.
The forum rules are "political discussion is discouraged." It is illogical to limit the talk to the "signing, striping, and roads of CHAZ" in an forum called "Off-Topic."
I mean are we only allosed to talk about the road-related aspects of the Coronavirus in that topic?
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 15, 2020, 02:52:53 PM
The forum rules are "political discussion is discouraged." It is illogical to limit the talk to the "signing, striping, and roads of CHAZ" in an forum called "Off-Topic."
I mean are we only allosed to talk about the road-related aspects of the Coronavirus in that topic?
So what do you plan to talk about w/r/t CHAZ that isn't politically charged, other than roads?
Quote from: kphoger on June 15, 2020, 03:03:50 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 15, 2020, 02:52:53 PM
The forum rules are "political discussion is discouraged." It is illogical to limit the talk to the "signing, striping, and roads of CHAZ" in an forum called "Off-Topic."
I mean are we only allosed to talk about the road-related aspects of the Coronavirus in that topic?
So what do you plan to talk about w/r/t CHAZ that isn't politically charged, other than roads?
The Capitol Hill neighborhood has an interesting history or at least was more documented than I expected. Then again, Seattle had a lot of neighbors and districts that have a unique history to them. Ballard, Pioneer Square, Queen Anne, and West Seattle were four that I ended up even featuring on Gribblenation.
Besides, a lot of the heated political commentary on the COVID thread ended up being deleted just the same as thread.
TBH, any discussion of CHAZ really belongs in this thread:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7720.msg171521#msg171521
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 15, 2020, 04:40:01 PM
TBH, any discussion of CHAZ really belongs in this thread:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7720.msg171521#msg171521
Nah. Those CHAZ road signs look much better.
They also don't exist.
And there is no secret war with the police.
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 15, 2020, 02:33:08 PM
Quote from: Brandon on June 15, 2020, 02:11:12 PM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on June 15, 2020, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: Alps on June 14, 2020, 12:19:36 PM
Please limit discussion on this topic to the signing, striping, and roads of CHAZ, not the politics.
What? No OTAZ (Off-Topic Autonomous Zone)? :sombrero:
Much agreed. If we were to limit discussion to signing, striping, and roads only of CHAZ, it belongs here: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?board=27.0
This is for everything else.
Forum rules still apply to Off-Topic, and always have.
The rules are about political speech, and you know that. Limited Off-Topic discussion to roads renders the off-topic section meaningless.
Is there a moderator-free autonomous board anywhere?
MARF: Moderators and Adminsitrators Rejected Forum
Quote from: 1 on June 15, 2020, 05:02:25 PM
Is there a moderator-free autonomous board anywhere?
MARF: Moderators and Adminsitrators Rejected Forum
We used to have a now-banned poster called "marf". Wonder if that was what his handle was supposed to mean? :-D
Quote from: Brandon on June 15, 2020, 05:13:38 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 15, 2020, 05:02:25 PM
Is there a moderator-free autonomous board anywhere?
MARF: Moderators and Adminsitrators Rejected Forum
We used to have a now-banned poster called "marf". Wonder if that was what his handle was supposed to mean? :-D
My name is Marf and I'll make you want to barf?
Quote from: Brandon on June 15, 2020, 04:57:20 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 15, 2020, 02:33:08 PM
Quote from: Brandon on June 15, 2020, 02:11:12 PM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on June 15, 2020, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: Alps on June 14, 2020, 12:19:36 PM
Please limit discussion on this topic to the signing, striping, and roads of CHAZ, not the politics.
What? No OTAZ (Off-Topic Autonomous Zone)? :sombrero:
Much agreed. If we were to limit discussion to signing, striping, and roads only of CHAZ, it belongs here: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?board=27.0
This is for everything else.
Forum rules still apply to Off-Topic, and always have.
The rules are about political speech, and you know that. Limited Off-Topic discussion to roads renders the off-topic section meaningless.
I guess I agree if this is supposed to be just about the roads, it doesn't make sense as an Off-Topic thread. Good ol' General Highway Talk seems like a fit...
Sounds like we're splitting hares.
Quote from: kphoger on June 15, 2020, 03:03:50 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 15, 2020, 02:52:53 PM
The forum rules are "political discussion is discouraged." It is illogical to limit the talk to the "signing, striping, and roads of CHAZ" in an forum called "Off-Topic."
I mean are we only allosed to talk about the road-related aspects of the Coronavirus in that topic?
So what do you plan to talk about w/r/t CHAZ that isn't politically charged, other than roads?
Who knows? But limiting to roads in an off topic bird makes no sense.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 15, 2020, 08:46:33 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 15, 2020, 03:03:50 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 15, 2020, 02:52:53 PM
The forum rules are "political discussion is discouraged." It is illogical to limit the talk to the "signing, striping, and roads of CHAZ" in an forum called "Off-Topic."
I mean are we only allosed to talk about the road-related aspects of the Coronavirus in that topic?
So what do you plan to talk about w/r/t CHAZ that isn't politically charged, other than roads?
Who knows? But limiting to roads in an off topic bird makes no sense.
I think the problem is it's hard to have a rational discussion of politics without someone throwing a grenade into the middle of it.
Quote from: US71 on June 15, 2020, 08:54:08 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 15, 2020, 08:46:33 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 15, 2020, 03:03:50 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 15, 2020, 02:52:53 PM
The forum rules are "political discussion is discouraged." It is illogical to limit the talk to the "signing, striping, and roads of CHAZ" in an forum called "Off-Topic."
I mean are we only allosed to talk about the road-related aspects of the Coronavirus in that topic?
So what do you plan to talk about w/r/t CHAZ that isn't politically charged, other than roads?
Who knows? But limiting to roads in an off topic bird makes no sense.
I think the problem is it's hard to have a rational discussion of politics without someone throwing a grenade into the middle of it.
The only grenade I've seen in this thread is MisterSG1 (which was quickly deleted before anyone could respond). NE2 seems to be nowhere near as active as he was before.
Rational discussions of politics are definitely possible.
2012 before election: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7761
Early 2017: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=19523.0 (ignore NE2's comment)
Quote from: 1 on June 15, 2020, 09:04:59 PM
Early 2017: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=19523.0 (ignore NE2's comment)
Not to bring in a large political debate, but this is an accurate prediction of where we are today.
More pictures of the total anarchy at CHAZ/CHOP:
(https://i.imgur.com/G0gPFmt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/pOrPhH8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3Tm1f2H.jpg)
Quote from: Brandon on June 15, 2020, 04:57:20 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 15, 2020, 02:33:08 PM
Quote from: Brandon on June 15, 2020, 02:11:12 PM
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on June 15, 2020, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: Alps on June 14, 2020, 12:19:36 PM
Please limit discussion on this topic to the signing, striping, and roads of CHAZ, not the politics.
What? No OTAZ (Off-Topic Autonomous Zone)? :sombrero:
Much agreed. If we were to limit discussion to signing, striping, and roads only of CHAZ, it belongs here: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?board=27.0
This is for everything else.
Forum rules still apply to Off-Topic, and always have.
The rules are about political speech, and you know that. Limited Off-Topic discussion to roads renders the off-topic section meaningless.
All 36 forum rules apply to the off-topic section. Period. The off-topic section exists to allow users to get to know each other outside of the context of roads. It is not a free-for-all; "off-topic" does not imply "all topics".
Generally, if there is a chance that a thread will operate within the forum rules, we prefer to leave it running as long as it doesn't cause a problem. Threads that are inherently political will get shut down quickly. The "2020 Minneapolis riots" thread was shut down within 48 hours, for instance. This thread would have been shut down too, but the discussion of the signs upthread caused us to hold off on shutting it down because we wanted to see if we could have a thread focusing on those, without controversy. Apparently not.
Bruce, I appreciate your providing a look at conditions on the ground at CHAZ/CHOP (amateur photojournalism is a thing the world needs more of), but unfortunately I don't think there's any way to have the conversation here without it becoming controversial.