What are some examples of significant pavement quality changes when crossing a town/city/county/state line?
Quote from: SeriesE on July 12, 2020, 05:25:30 PM
What are some examples of significant pavement quality changes when crossing a town/city/county/state line?
Used to be that crossing into the Seneca Nation meant suddenly hitting rough concrete. I think the sections on the Thruway and I-86 have finally been repaired.
Last year, when pulling a travel trailer on vacation, I was surprised by how bad the pavement got on I-70 as soon as we crossed into Colorado, compared to how good it was in Kansas. In fact, I was surprised by how bad the roads were throughout Colorado. And I'm from Michigan, so I know something about bad roads.
Sign County Route J1 heading from Fresno County west into San Benito County. Fresno County repaved their segment on Little Panoche Road, San Benito let their segment go to hell for decades. I'd rate J1 on Panoche Road in San Benito County as probably the worst asphalt surface I've ever driven.
Living in KC, I can tell that the roads in the city often seem to be worse quality than those in the various Kansas suburbs - sometimes substantially so.
When you cross from the City of Norfolk to the City of Virginia Beach on US 58 (Virginia Beach Blvd), the roadway changes from a rough four-lane divided with frontage roads to a smoother eight-lane divided with no frontage roads. I suspect the Virginia Beach section was once the same configuration as the Norfolk section prior to a rebuild.
As a general rule, crossing into New Mexico is marked by a significant decrease in pavement quality. And that might be your only clue you're in another state - when I last took US 491 into NM, pavement quality instantly dropped at the line but the "Welcome to New Mexico" sign did not appear for at least another mile.
For I-15 and I-80, it used to be that the California side is way rougher than the Nevada side. Not sure if it has changed recently though.
Here's another example found while browsing on Google Maps:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9070926,-117.8897966,3a,75y,175.39h,83.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suMcnCoqFGLTa7SAj1WLE4A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
The rough side is Fullerton, CA and the smooth side is Brea, CA.
Unintentional one: I-5 northbound from King to Snohomish county. WSDOT recently repaved the section beginning at the county line.
One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line. Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs. Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya. It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 13, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line. Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs. Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya. It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.
That's an extreme example!
Quote from: Rothman on July 12, 2020, 06:38:21 PM
Quote from: SeriesE on July 12, 2020, 05:25:30 PM
What are some examples of significant pavement quality changes when crossing a town/city/county/state line?
Used to be that crossing into the Seneca Nation meant suddenly hitting rough concrete. I think the sections on the Thruway and I-86 have finally been repaired.
Oh jeez... flashbacks to I-86 in the very early 1990s in Binghamton and points west....
*ka-THUNK ka-THUNK ka-THUNK ka-THUNK ka-THUNK ka-THUNK* 🤣
Happens frequently in Kentucky, where resurfacing contracts often start at county lines.
US-219 is considerably worse on its washboard segment between I-86 and the Pennsylvania state line than it is once you cross into Pennsylvania. I've only been on that road southbound, last June on my way home from Toronto, but the northbound side doesn't look too good either in Street View. (The image below has the camera looking north on the southbound carriageway. Pan it around 180° and click south a bit and you'll hit Pennsylvania.)
https://goo.gl/maps/c4Xin5wzJMa9GV9BA
I've also found it striking how much the pavement on northbound US-29 changes when you cross from North Carolina into Virginia, although the road is less of a washboard than US-219 is.
https://goo.gl/maps/BoagNM1P6fdsGpzM8
Wisconsin to IDOT to ISHTA used to be very noticeable at one time on I-94. WisDOT was fairly smooth, then you'd hit the bumps, patches, and rutting of the mile of I-94 that IDOT took care of. Then you'd get on the fairly smooth tollway after that. After I-94 was widened, the pavement quality drastically improved.
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 14, 2020, 12:30:38 PM
US-219 is considerably worse on its washboard segment between I-86 and the Pennsylvania state line than it is once you cross into Pennsylvania. I've only been on that road southbound, last June on my way home from Toronto, but the northbound side doesn't look too good either in Street View. (The image below has the camera looking north on the southbound carriageway. Pan it around 180° and click south a bit and you'll hit Pennsylvania.)
Heck, the pavement quality is worse in PA on almost any road that crosses into it. At the very minimum, roads with wide shoulders in the adjoining state disappear when you cross into PA.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 14, 2020, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 14, 2020, 12:30:38 PM
US-219 is considerably worse on its washboard segment between I-86 and the Pennsylvania state line than it is once you cross into Pennsylvania. I've only been on that road southbound, last June on my way home from Toronto, but the northbound side doesn't look too good either in Street View. (The image below has the camera looking north on the southbound carriageway. Pan it around 180° and click south a bit and you'll hit Pennsylvania.)
Heck, the pavement quality is worse in PA on almost any road that crosses into it. At the very minimum, roads with wide shoulders in the adjoining state disappear when you cross into PA.
1995hoo said the opposite.
Quote from: SeriesE on July 13, 2020, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 13, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line. Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs. Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya. It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.
That's an extreme example!
Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 14, 2020, 07:10:36 PM
Quote from: SeriesE on July 13, 2020, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 13, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line. Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs. Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya. It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.
That's an extreme example!
Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Same with Colorado Highway 318 when it ends (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.862025,-109.0484668,3a,75y,271.5h,94.16t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sqeUxt8uBYegPjia2Jai5gg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DqeUxt8uBYegPjia2Jai5gg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D160.15546%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i3328!8i1664) at the Utah line.
Quote from: zzcarp on July 14, 2020, 07:38:16 PM
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Quote from: SeriesE on July 13, 2020, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 13, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line. Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs. Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya. It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.
That's an extreme example!
Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Same with Colorado Highway 318 when it ends (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.862025,-109.0484668,3a,75y,271.5h,94.16t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sqeUxt8uBYegPjia2Jai5gg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DqeUxt8uBYegPjia2Jai5gg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D160.15546%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i3328!8i1664) at the Utah line.
As well as nearby WYO 430, which turns into a dirt road at the Colorado line. Interestingly, Colorado 318 uses Rock Springs as a control city even though it's only accessible by dirt road .
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Quote from: SeriesE on July 13, 2020, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 13, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line. Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs. Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya. It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.
That's an extreme example!
Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Same with Colorado Highway 318 when it ends (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.862025,-109.0484668,3a,75y,271.5h,94.16t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sqeUxt8uBYegPjia2Jai5gg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DqeUxt8uBYegPjia2Jai5gg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D160.15546%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i3328!8i1664) at the Utah line.
As well as nearby WYO 430, which turns into a dirt road at the Colorado line. Interestingly, Colorado 318 uses Rock Springs as a control city even though it's only accessible by dirt road .
What else should be used as a control city? Rock Springs is the only choice.
I-94 WB just after the New Buffalo MI exit before crossing into Indiana had this terrible concrete. Was rebuilt in 2019.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7617595,-86.7484321,3a,75y,230.12h,84.23t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1scipR60zn0-Ah6pqX3klaYQ!2e0!5s20181001T000000!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: thspfc on July 14, 2020, 09:08:33 PM
Quote from: corco on July 14, 2020, 07:57:35 PM
Quote from: zzcarp on July 14, 2020, 07:38:16 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 14, 2020, 07:10:36 PM
Quote from: SeriesE on July 13, 2020, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 13, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line. Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs. Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya. It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.
That's an extreme example!
Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Same with Colorado Highway 318 when it ends (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.862025,-109.0484668,3a,75y,271.5h,94.16t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sqeUxt8uBYegPjia2Jai5gg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DqeUxt8uBYegPjia2Jai5gg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D160.15546%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i3328!8i1664) at the Utah line.
As well as nearby WYO 430, which turns into a dirt road at the Colorado line. Interestingly, Colorado 318 uses Rock Springs as a control city even though it's only accessible by dirt road .
What else should be used as a control city? Rock Springs is the only choice.
Browns Park would probably make a better choice of control point. It's not an actual town, but it's the name of the valley where 318 ends and is commonly used to describe that isolated region along the Utah-Colorado border. 318 is only the fastest way to Rock Springs if you're one of the 100 people who live along US 40 between Dinosaur and Craig, which means anyone using 318 to get to Rock Springs is going to be a local. Browns Park at least has some recreational appeal with the wildlife refuge and Dinosaur National Monument up that direction.
What's more curious is why WYO 430 is numbered the way it is. The x30 number implies that it's supposed to be somewhat of a major corridor (like WYO 130, 230, and 530) - otherwise, it would have a 37x number like the other minor state highways in Sweetwater County. Perhaps there was some sort of plan for a Rock Springs-Craig direct route that Colorado backed out of or wasn't interested in.
Quote from: thspfc on July 14, 2020, 09:08:33 PM
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Quote from: zzcarp on July 14, 2020, 07:38:16 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 14, 2020, 07:10:36 PM
Quote from: SeriesE on July 13, 2020, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 13, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line. Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs. Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya. It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.
That's an extreme example!
Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Same with Colorado Highway 318 when it ends (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.862025,-109.0484668,3a,75y,271.5h,94.16t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sqeUxt8uBYegPjia2Jai5gg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DqeUxt8uBYegPjia2Jai5gg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D160.15546%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i3328!8i1664) at the Utah line.
As well as nearby WYO 430, which turns into a dirt road at the Colorado line. Interestingly, Colorado 318 uses Rock Springs as a control city even though it's only accessible by dirt road .
What else should be used as a control city? Rock Springs is the only choice.
One of the rare times where a state makes sense as a control city?
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Quote from: SeriesE on July 13, 2020, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 13, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line. Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs. Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya. It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.
That's an extreme example!
Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Same with Colorado Highway 318 when it ends (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.862025,-109.0484668,3a,75y,271.5h,94.16t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sqeUxt8uBYegPjia2Jai5gg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DqeUxt8uBYegPjia2Jai5gg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D160.15546%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i3328!8i1664) at the Utah line.
As well as nearby WYO 430, which turns into a dirt road at the Colorado line. Interestingly, Colorado 318 uses Rock Springs as a control city even though it's only accessible by dirt road .
What else should be used as a control city? Rock Springs is the only choice.
One of the rare times where a state makes sense as a control city?
Personally, I think states make better control destinations than cities in many cases. If we were to use I-95 for example, "Florida" is much more relevant than "Miami". Cities would be more useful where there's a split and 2 interstates go into the same state, such as where 95 and 85 split off. There, North Carolina isn't as useful, but Durham and Rocky Mount would be more applicable.
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Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 14, 2020, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 14, 2020, 12:30:38 PM
US-219 is considerably worse on its washboard segment between I-86 and the Pennsylvania state line than it is once you cross into Pennsylvania. I've only been on that road southbound, last June on my way home from Toronto, but the northbound side doesn't look too good either in Street View. (The image below has the camera looking north on the southbound carriageway. Pan it around 180° and click south a bit and you'll hit Pennsylvania.)
Heck, the pavement quality is worse in PA on almost any road that crosses into it. At the very minimum, roads with wide shoulders in the adjoining state disappear when you cross into PA.
1995hoo said the opposite.
Oh yeah, you're right.
What I said generally applies though. :)
I notice it on I-35 north of the metro where a county line also serves as a MnDOT district boundary. The rebuild project north of the Pine/Chisago county line, for example.
I've noticed this many times both in real life and virtually (Street View, Big Rig Travels, etc).
However my favorite, and perhaps the ultimate, example is here (https://www.google.es/maps/@42.5768728,-1.2015903,3a,75y,136.75h,81.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svKA4Z3Wvd1Q1UQy11OTNGw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) :sombrero:. Straight ahead you enter Aragon and there is a decent paved road. If you turn around, however, you enter Navarre and you hit a gravel road in really bad shape. I've never been more relieved in my life than when I reached the regional border driving that.
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Quote from: SeriesE on July 13, 2020, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 13, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line. Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs. Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya. It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.
That's an extreme example!
Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Same with Colorado Highway 318 when it ends (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.862025,-109.0484668,3a,75y,271.5h,94.16t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sqeUxt8uBYegPjia2Jai5gg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DqeUxt8uBYegPjia2Jai5gg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D160.15546%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i3328!8i1664) at the Utah line.
I'm not sure if this has been paved recently, but I just drove that road about three weeks ago and the entire length in Utah until you get to the Wyoming border only has maybe a half mile of dirt road now. The paved portion once it enters Wyoming though does get considerably worse than the Utah portion.
Chris
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Quote from: SeriesE on July 13, 2020, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 13, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line. Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs. Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya. It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.
That's an extreme example!
Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Same with Colorado Highway 318 when it ends (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.862025,-109.0484668,3a,75y,271.5h,94.16t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sqeUxt8uBYegPjia2Jai5gg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DqeUxt8uBYegPjia2Jai5gg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D160.15546%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i3328!8i1664) at the Utah line.
As well as nearby WYO 430, which turns into a dirt road at the Colorado line. Interestingly, Colorado 318 uses Rock Springs as a control city even though it's only accessible by dirt road .
What else should be used as a control city? Rock Springs is the only choice.
Browns Park would probably make a better choice of control point. It's not an actual town, but it's the name of the valley where 318 ends and is commonly used to describe that isolated region along the Utah-Colorado border. 318 is only the fastest way to Rock Springs if you're one of the 100 people who live along US 40 between Dinosaur and Craig, which means anyone using 318 to get to Rock Springs is going to be a local. Browns Park at least has some recreational appeal with the wildlife refuge and Dinosaur National Monument up that direction.
What's more curious is why WYO 430 is numbered the way it is. The x30 number implies that it's supposed to be somewhat of a major corridor (like WYO 130, 230, and 530) - otherwise, it would have a 37x number like the other minor state highways in Sweetwater County. Perhaps there was some sort of plan for a Rock Springs-Craig direct route that Colorado backed out of or wasn't interested in.
It's a "spur" of US30, just like WY130 and WY230 in the southern part of the state. Just like WY789 is a "spur" of US89.
Chris
Quote from: 1 on July 14, 2020, 04:50:35 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 14, 2020, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 14, 2020, 12:30:38 PM
US-219 is considerably worse on its washboard segment between I-86 and the Pennsylvania state line than it is once you cross into Pennsylvania. I've only been on that road southbound, last June on my way home from Toronto, but the northbound side doesn't look too good either in Street View. (The image below has the camera looking north on the southbound carriageway. Pan it around 180° and click south a bit and you'll hit Pennsylvania.)
Heck, the pavement quality is worse in PA on almost any road that crosses into it. At the very minimum, roads with wide shoulders in the adjoining state disappear when you cross into PA.
1995hoo said the opposite.
Thank you.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 15, 2020, 09:19:35 AM
One of the rare times where a state makes sense as a control city?
Well, which one would you use - Utah or Wyoming?
I had no idea most of the Utah portion of Browns Park Road was paved, though. Might make it easier to visit the WY/UT/CO tripoint at some point.
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Quote from: US 89 on July 15, 2020, 01:06:25 AM
What's more curious is why WYO 430 is numbered the way it is. The x30 number implies that it's supposed to be somewhat of a major corridor (like WYO 130, 230, and 530) - otherwise, it would have a 37x number like the other minor state highways in Sweetwater County. Perhaps there was some sort of plan for a Rock Springs-Craig direct route that Colorado backed out of or wasn't interested in.
It's a "spur" of US30, just like WY130 and WY230 in the southern part of the state. Just like WY789 is a "spur" of US89.
Well yeah, but most "spurs" of that sort in Wyoming tend to be fairly significant routes. And WYO 789 isn't really a spur of US 89 in the traditional Wyoming sense, since it doesn't junction US 89 or even US 189 or WYO 89. It's more of a relic of a US 789 proposal that was supposed to be a Canada-to-Mexico highway, which would have intersected US 89 in Nogales.
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One that I did find amusing was taking CA 299 in Modoc County to the Nevada State Line. Upon entering Nevada the surface immediately drops to dirt and one is greeted by long derelict NV 8A signs. Apparently NV 8A was never actually maintained by the state and you're essentially on the moon approaching the community of Vya. It's actually kind of interesting to consider Vya is in Washoe County given how north of Reno it is.
That's an extreme example!
Likewise, OK-58 ends at the Kansas state line and becomes a dirt county road. https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9979289,-98.2918104,3a,75y,2.37h,73.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seleZ4SprL09uGBZGCaXwdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Same with Colorado Highway 318 when it ends (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.862025,-109.0484668,3a,75y,271.5h,94.16t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sqeUxt8uBYegPjia2Jai5gg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DqeUxt8uBYegPjia2Jai5gg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D160.15546%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i3328!8i1664) at the Utah line.
As well as nearby WYO 430, which turns into a dirt road at the Colorado line. Interestingly, Colorado 318 uses Rock Springs as a control city even though it's only accessible by dirt road .
What else should be used as a control city? Rock Springs is the only choice.
One of the rare times where a state makes sense as a control city?
Personally, I think states make better control destinations than cities in many cases. If we were to use I-95 for example, "Florida" is much more relevant than "Miami". Cities would be more useful where there's a split and 2 interstates go into the same state, such as where 95 and 85 split off. There, North Carolina isn't as useful, but Durham and Rocky Mount would be more applicable.
I think it depends on whether or not that route is the best way to every point in that state. At that point, I-95 is the best route to virtually any point in Florida at the I-85 interchange so I can see the argument.
There are some iffy cases. At the Portsmouth Traffic Circle, the I-95 control cities are "Maine" and "Massachusetts." Taking I-95 is NOT the best way to get from Portsmouth to much of Western Maine. It IS the best way to get to virtually point in Massachusetts however. I've always thought that Portland, ME and Boston should be the control cities at that intersection.