I'm wondering if there's any freeway or highway that has exits and at-grade intersections. This probably fits more with US highways and state roads, and not Interstate freeways.
If there are at-grades, a road is not a freeway, at least not on that segment
Is the question if there are roads with Freeway and non-Freeway segments? If so, a whole bunch of them. Lake Shore Drive/US 41 in Chicago is a pretty famous example. IL 83/Kingery Highway out in the Chicago western suburbs is another example
CA 198 between Hanford west to NAS Lemoore is signed as a freeway. There is an at-grade intersection which can be found at 16th Avenue. The median is blocked off which essentially maintains limited access.
MA 2 in/near Leominster has a few at-grades. MA/RI 146 also has two segments (one in each state) with several at-grade intersections.
This strikes me as extremely common. VA-286 is an example near me. US-29 in Virginia is another example (freeway bypasses of several towns or cities, at-grade most of the rest of the way).
The only "Interstate" that readily comes to mind as qualifying for this, setting aside Breezewood, is the legendary I-366 in Virginia.
Then you have the at-grade border crossings along the US/Canada border. Look at A-15 or A-55 in Quebec, barely on the Canadian side of the border, and you will see an at-grade intersection.
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 31, 2020, 03:21:00 PM
The only "Interstate" that readily comes to mind as qualifying for this, setting aside Breezewood, is the legendary I-366 in Virginia.
Not I-40 and I-10 in West Texas?
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 31, 2020, 03:28:47 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 31, 2020, 03:21:00 PM
The only "Interstate" that readily comes to mind as qualifying for this, setting aside Breezewood, is the legendary I-366 in Virginia.
Not I-40 and I-10 in West Texas?
I haven't been on either one of those, so they didn't occur to me.
US-127, just in Michigan alone, has several different segments. From the north it starts as a freeway, turns into a divided highway with a few controlled access interchanges mixed in, back to a freeway, then down to a 2-lane road.
US-131 is a 2 lane road at each end, with a freeway in a long portion of the middle. Plus a section as a divided highway near the southern end.
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 31, 2020, 03:28:47 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 31, 2020, 03:21:00 PM
The only "Interstate" that readily comes to mind as qualifying for this, setting aside Breezewood, is the legendary I-366 in Virginia.
Not I-40 and I-10 in West Texas?
They have at-grades???
Yes.
A few that come to mind for me in MD: US 301 on the eastern shore, MD 4 & MD 5 southeast of the Capital Beltway, US 15 from Frederick up to the PA border.
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 31, 2020, 03:21:00 PM
This strikes me as extremely common. VA-286 is an example near me. US-29 in Virginia is another example (freeway bypasses of several towns or cities, at-grade most of the rest of the way).
The only "Interstate" that readily comes to mind as qualifying for this, setting aside Breezewood, is the legendary I-366 in Virginia.
I had no idea what this was referring to, so I googled "interstate 366", and the top hit was an old thread from this same forum. 5 minutes of light reading later, I understood....Thanks for brightening my afternoon :-D
Quote from: 1 on July 31, 2020, 03:18:33 PM
MA 2 in/near Leominster has a few at-grades. MA/RI 146 also has two segments (one in each state) with several at-grade intersections.
The only remaining at-grade intersection on MA 2 in the Leominster area is Mt. Elam Road. And the full intersection was removed in the early 1990s. It's now just a pair of ROROs (right off, right on). Likewise, most of the at-grade intersections on MA 146 in Millbury and Sutton have also ben converted to ROROs. The only remaining full at-grade intersection on the MA segment is at Boston Road.
Quote from: Ketchup99 on July 31, 2020, 03:55:44 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 31, 2020, 03:28:47 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 31, 2020, 03:21:00 PM
The only "Interstate" that readily comes to mind as qualifying for this, setting aside Breezewood, is the legendary I-366 in Virginia.
Not I-40 and I-10 in West Texas?
They have at-grades???
There's
a whole thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=15847.msg2059851#msg2059851) about them.
Quote from: kphoger on July 31, 2020, 04:07:48 PM
Quote from: Ketchup99 on July 31, 2020, 03:55:44 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 31, 2020, 03:28:47 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 31, 2020, 03:21:00 PM
The only "Interstate" that readily comes to mind as qualifying for this, setting aside Breezewood, is the legendary I-366 in Virginia.
Not I-40 and I-10 in West Texas?
They have at-grades???
There's a whole thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=15847.msg2059851#msg2059851) about them.
Yes, go there and ketch-up on it. ;-)
Bangerter Highway (SR 154) through the southwestern suburbs of Salt Lake City is probably the best example you'll find in Utah. Mostly at-grades, but more and more of them have been converted into single-point urban interchanges in recent years.
Quote from: roadman on July 31, 2020, 04:07:23 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 31, 2020, 03:18:33 PM
MA 2 in/near Leominster has a few at-grades. MA/RI 146 also has two segments (one in each state) with several at-grade intersections.
The only remaining at-grade intersection on MA 2 in the Leominster area is Mt. Elam Road. And the full intersection was removed in the early 1990s. It's now just a pair of ROROs (right off, right on). Likewise, most of the at-grade intersections on MA 146 in Millbury and Sutton have also ben converted to ROROs. The only remaining full at-grade intersection on the MA segment is at Boston Road.
Palmer Rd. :D
MN 62 is probably the best metro example. At-grade west end, freeway from Beach Rd to the east end of its duplex with MN 55, then the former MN 110 portion of 62 is at-grade except for the east end interchanges with MN 3 and I-494.
I86 / NY17 which is discussed in this thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5529.0)
There are some at grade intersections on US-13-58-460 by Suffolk VA despite being marked as a freeway.
Quote from: dvferyance on July 31, 2020, 05:12:44 PM
There are some at grade intersections on US-13-58-460 by Suffolk VA despite being marked as a freeway.
Who marks it as a freeway? If it's a mapmaker or online mapping system, they are often prone to errors.
Quote from: jmacswimmer on July 31, 2020, 03:59:21 PM
A few that come to mind for me in MD: US 301 on the eastern shore, MD 4 & MD 5 southeast of the Capital Beltway, US 15 from Frederick up to the PA border.
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 31, 2020, 03:21:00 PM
This strikes me as extremely common. VA-286 is an example near me. US-29 in Virginia is another example (freeway bypasses of several towns or cities, at-grade most of the rest of the way).
The only "Interstate" that readily comes to mind as qualifying for this, setting aside Breezewood, is the legendary I-366 in Virginia.
I had no idea what this was referring to, so I googled "interstate 366", and the top hit was an old thread from this same forum. 5 minutes of light reading later, I understood....Thanks for brightening my afternoon :-D
You want some more "light reading" ? Try this thread.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7720.0
Assuming a road with just one interchange doesn't count, jughandles/one quadrant interchanges don't county, and trying (but probably not succeeding) to avoid roadways with freeways bypasses of towns connected by expressway segments:
Illinois
* US 12 in Lake County (two interchanges with IL 59, one with IL 176, really could use many more interchanges)
* US 41 in Lake County
* US 50 from Lebanon to Caryle
* US 67 north of I-72 to the end of the four lane section near IL 100
* IL 83 in DuPage County
* IL 251 north of downtown Rockford
* Lake Shore Drive in Chicago
* Palatine Road in Cook County
Missouri
* The Avenue of the Saints/US 61/MO 27 corridor
* US 36 from I-29 to the eastern interchange with US 24
* US 50 around Jefferson City (roughly California to Linn)
* US 54 from Mexico to wherever the four lane ends near Lake of the Ozarks
* US 60 between US 65 and I-55
* US 63 from US 54 north to the end of the four lane section near Macon
* US 65 near Warsaw
* US 67 between I-55 and Poplar Bluff
* MO 7 between I-49 and Clinton
* MO 13 between Clinton and I-44
* MO 141 between I-44 and MO 364
I am sure there's a good number missing.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 31, 2020, 05:41:07 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on July 31, 2020, 05:12:44 PM
There are some at grade intersections on US-13-58-460 by Suffolk VA despite being marked as a freeway.
Who marks it as a freeway? If it's a mapmaker or online mapping system, they are often prone to errors.
I wondered that, too. I lived in Portsmouth from 2003-07 and nobody I knew considered it a freeway between Bowers Hill and the Suffolk center bypass, just a very nice, flat stretch of four lane road with no stops. It's no different than US 17 near the NC border, just a different edge to the Great Dismal Swamp.
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 31, 2020, 03:28:47 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 31, 2020, 03:21:00 PM
The only "Interstate" that readily comes to mind as qualifying for this, setting aside Breezewood, is the legendary I-366 in Virginia.
Not I-40 and I-10 in West Texas?
I-17 has a couple at grade ranch intersections too.
Quote from: steviep24 on July 31, 2020, 05:09:32 PM
I86 / NY17 which is discussed in this thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5529.0)
Is that one of the only New York examples?
I can't think of many others that switch back and forth between freeway and expressway, unless you count the Lake Ontario State Parkway. And NY 5S, maybe?
New York lacks expressways in general, so I guess it's not too surprising that there's not tons of examples.
Other states have tons of rural corridors that have had interchanges added to major junctions over the years, but that type of thing is
glaringly absent here.
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 31, 2020, 03:21:00 PM
The only "Interstate" that readily comes to mind as qualifying for this, setting aside Breezewood, is the legendary I-366 in Virginia.
The "other" "Interstate" to qualify would be I-78 in New Jersey, on approach to/from the Holland Tunnel
WI 29 is part freeway and expressway. It is slowly converting to freeway. I would die before it was finished.
VA 150 has several at-grades, and a couple of signals, between the Forest Hill and VA 147 exits.
I think a better way to ask this question is are there sections of expressway that has at grade intersections between interchanges?
If that's what you were going for, IL Rte 83 between I-88 and 55th St would qualify since it has one at grade intersection that is a RI-RO at Oakmont Ln. However, the southern part US 41 Lake Shore Dr would not qualify as the expressway sections do not include Waldron Dr to Monroe St. Waldron to Monroe is considered a city boulevard. The section between Monroe St and Hollywood Blvd would qualify with signaled intersections at Erie St and Chicago Ave.
Virginia official maps are really good at differentiating between freeway and non-freeway portions of four-lane routes. Look at routes like US 23 or US 19 and you'll see them switch back and forth between blue (freeway) and red (surface route).
Quote from: webny99 on July 31, 2020, 08:59:01 PM
Quote from: steviep24 on July 31, 2020, 05:09:32 PM
I86 / NY17 which is discussed in this thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5529.0)
Is that one of the only New York examples?
I can't think of many others that switch back and forth between freeway and expressway, unless you count the Lake Ontario State Parkway. And NY 5S, maybe?
New York lacks expressways in general, so I guess it's not too surprising that there's not tons of examples.
Other states have tons of rural corridors that have had interchanges added to major junctions over the years, but that type of thing is glaringly absent here.
There's NY 104 and NY 33 as well that have freeway like sections.
US-151 in Wisconsin, especially from the Iowa border to Madison, then again from Columbus to Fond du Lac.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 31, 2020, 05:41:07 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on July 31, 2020, 05:12:44 PM
There are some at grade intersections on US-13-58-460 by Suffolk VA despite being marked as a freeway.
Who marks it as a freeway? If it's a mapmaker or online mapping system, they are often prone to errors.
Rand McNally does.
Quote from: dvferyance on August 01, 2020, 07:53:37 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 31, 2020, 05:41:07 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on July 31, 2020, 05:12:44 PM
There are some at grade intersections on US-13-58-460 by Suffolk VA despite being marked as a freeway.
Who marks it as a freeway? If it's a mapmaker or online mapping system, they are often prone to errors.
Rand McNally does.
Google Maps has lots of "freeways" with at-grades - NY-17 through Hale Eddy, the at-grades in West Texas, I-69 in TX, US-15 in PA, MA-128, and I'm sure there are more.
Quote from: webny99 on July 31, 2020, 08:59:01 PM
Other states have tons of rural corridors that have had interchanges added to major junctions over the years, but that type of thing is glaringly absent here.
Often, this takes the form of a road that's been built up to expressway standards, on the spot, over the years, then upgrades to a freeway as it bypasses a town, then drops back down to expressway afterward. Missouri is particularly prone to this development pattern.
Quote from: Ketchup99 on August 01, 2020, 08:18:44 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on August 01, 2020, 07:53:37 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 31, 2020, 05:41:07 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on July 31, 2020, 05:12:44 PM
There are some at grade intersections on US-13-58-460 by Suffolk VA despite being marked as a freeway.
Who marks it as a freeway? If it's a mapmaker or online mapping system, they are often prone to errors.
Rand McNally does.
Google Maps has lots of "freeways" with at-grades - NY-17 through Hale Eddy, the at-grades in West Texas, I-69 in TX, US-15 in PA, MA-128, and I'm sure there are more.
I think just about every map would mark I-10 and I-40 in West Texas as a freeway, considering that the at-grades are there for the benefit of a few dozen people in the world. Even OpenStreetMap, where you just know deep down that a pedant has probably caused a fuss about it at some point.
Rural Texas is chock-full of these. US 82 alone in North Texas is a complete mix of interchanges, at-grades and driveways from Gainesville to Honey Grove.
US 30 and US 35 throughout Ohio. US 33 from St. Mary's, OH to I-75 in Wapakoneta, OH. OH 32 from Cincinnati (Eastgate) to Mt Orab, OH.
US-165 in Monroe, LA has an interchange with I-20, an exit for US-80, lots of at-grade intersections, and a ton of driveways on the portions without service roads.
US 40 in Maryland between Baltimore and the Delaware line has interchanges at MD 700, MD 43, MD 715 and MD 22 in addition to many traffic lights.
I don't think anyone's mentioned US 48/Corridor H yet, but that would certainly qualify for this thread.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on July 31, 2020, 05:46:12 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on July 31, 2020, 03:59:21 PM
A few that come to mind for me in MD: US 301 on the eastern shore, MD 4 & MD 5 southeast of the Capital Beltway, US 15 from Frederick up to the PA border.
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 31, 2020, 03:21:00 PM
This strikes me as extremely common. VA-286 is an example near me. US-29 in Virginia is another example (freeway bypasses of several towns or cities, at-grade most of the rest of the way).
The only "Interstate" that readily comes to mind as qualifying for this, setting aside Breezewood, is the legendary I-366 in Virginia.
I had no idea what this was referring to, so I googled "interstate 366", and the top hit was an old thread from this same forum. 5 minutes of light reading later, I understood....Thanks for brightening my afternoon :-D
You want some more "light reading" ? Try this thread.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7720.0
Don't worry, I checked that one out pretty quickly after joining the forum :-D
Quote from: skluth on July 31, 2020, 05:56:40 PM
I wondered that, too. I lived in Portsmouth from 2003-07 and nobody I knew considered it a freeway between Bowers Hill and the Suffolk center bypass, just a very nice, flat stretch of four lane road with no stops. It's no different than US 17 near the NC border, just a different edge to the Great Dismal Swamp.
The US-58 / US-460 / US-13 segment through the swamp is 6 lanes, but agreed, nice straight stretch of road. Easy to hit 70+ mph flowing with traffic. Whoever made the decision to make it 6 lanes in the 1970s was truly thinking long term, unlike I-664 and I-64 which are still only 4 lanes.
US-77 / US-59 (Future I-69 / I-69E) between Refugio and Houston in Texas is a mix of non-limited-access divided highway, rural interchanges, and limited access freeway segments on some bypasses.
4 lanes 75 mph throughout, no traffic signals.
Literally all of Iowa's four lane expressways. Same in MO with US-60 and US-67 and US-61 and US-36 and--
Now that I think about, yes, this is extremely common. Especially on US routes.
Quote from: STLmapboy on August 03, 2020, 06:55:32 PM
Literally all of Iowa's four lane expressways. Same in MO with US-60 and US-67 and US-61 and US-36 and--
Now that I think about, yes, this is extremely common. Especially on US routes.
Seems to me like it's most common in the Midwest.
Quote from: webny99 on July 31, 2020, 08:59:01 PM
Quote from: steviep24 on July 31, 2020, 05:09:32 PM
I86 / NY17 which is discussed in this thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5529.0)
Is that one of the only New York examples?
I can't think of many others that switch back and forth between freeway and expressway, unless you count the Lake Ontario State Parkway. And NY 5S, maybe?
New York lacks expressways in general, so I guess it's not too surprising that there's not tons of examples.
Other states have tons of rural corridors that have had interchanges added to major junctions over the years, but that type of thing is glaringly absent here.
I-690 has an at-grade intersection (https://goo.gl/maps/KDgd1hTS9arPHtCz9) providing access to a parking lot used for the state fair. Not surprisingly, it's only ever used during the fair.
(And speaking of 690, let's also not forget that its original interchange with the Thruway (https://www.historicaerials.com/location/43.11068018611986/-76.2702569882065/1972/16) also had an at-grade intersection.)
ct 9 fits that (https://maps.app.goo.gl/vUeVkvTwtA4KRx8P9). that road is essentially all limited access interchanges with interstate speed limits except for one section that has suburban surface street speed limits and stoplights. it actually designates these at grade intersections as exits, one of the strangest things I've seen on a road.
Quote from: dvferyance on August 01, 2020, 07:53:37 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 31, 2020, 05:41:07 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on July 31, 2020, 05:12:44 PM
There are some at grade intersections on US-13-58-460 by Suffolk VA despite being marked as a freeway.
Who marks it as a freeway? If it's a mapmaker or online mapping system, they are often prone to errors.
Rand McNally does.
E-mail them about the error, and provide evidence to support your claim.
Years ago, RMN had US-65 drawn as a freeway all the way from Springfield to Branson, MO. One or two editions after I e-mailed them with evidence that it has at-grade intersections, it was no longer drawn as a full freeway.
(Two other errors I pointed out were not fixed, however.)
Quote from: Road Hog on August 01, 2020, 11:03:41 PM
Rural Texas is chock-full of these. US 82 alone in North Texas is a complete mix of interchanges, at-grades and driveways from Gainesville to Honey Grove.
Other examples are US 175 ;-) for much of its length, as well as a good bit of US 287, especially from the DFW area to Amarillo.
Quote from: -- US 175 -- on August 04, 2020, 01:27:14 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on August 01, 2020, 11:03:41 PM
Rural Texas is chock-full of these. US 82 alone in North Texas is a complete mix of interchanges, at-grades and driveways from Gainesville to Honey Grove.
Other examples are US 175 ;-) for much of its length, as well as a good bit of US 287, especially from the DFW area to Amarillo.
Somehow I forgot to mention US 175. I used to live close enough to hear the cars driving by on it between Crandall and Kaufman.
i think the classic example is I-180 in cheyenne -- the only section that could be called a 'freeway' is the viaduct over the tracks.
its a nice place to watch trains, if one is so inclined.
Quote from: WNYroadgeek on August 04, 2020, 12:57:44 AM
Quote from: webny99 on July 31, 2020, 08:59:01 PM
Quote from: steviep24 on July 31, 2020, 05:09:32 PM
I86 / NY17 which is discussed in this thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5529.0)
Is that one of the only New York examples?
I can't think of many others that switch back and forth between freeway and expressway, unless you count the Lake Ontario State Parkway. And NY 5S, maybe?
New York lacks expressways in general, so I guess it's not too surprising that there's not tons of examples.
Other states have tons of rural corridors that have had interchanges added to major junctions over the years, but that type of thing is glaringly absent here.
I-690 has an at-grade intersection (https://goo.gl/maps/KDgd1hTS9arPHtCz9) providing access to a parking lot used for the state fair. Not surprisingly, it's only ever used during the fair.
(And speaking of 690, let's also not forget that its original interchange with the Thruway (https://www.historicaerials.com/location/43.11068018611986/-76.2702569882065/1972/16) also had an at-grade intersection.)
and it looks like that is being removed?
Quote from: webny99 on July 31, 2020, 08:59:01 PM
Quote from: steviep24 on July 31, 2020, 05:09:32 PM
I86 / NY17 which is discussed in this thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5529.0)
Is that one of the only New York examples?
I can't think of many others that switch back and forth between freeway and expressway, unless you count the Lake Ontario State Parkway. And NY 5S, maybe?
New York lacks expressways in general, so I guess it's not too surprising that there's not tons of examples.
Other states have tons of rural corridors that have had interchanges added to major junctions over the years, but that type of thing is glaringly absent here.
The Brandywine Highway and North Shore Drive (NY 7 and NY 363, respectively) in Binghamton form an expressway corridor from downtown to I-88, where both ends are freeway grade and access controlled, with a few at-grades in the middle.
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on August 08, 2020, 10:47:15 AM
i think the classic example is I-180 in cheyenne -- the only section that could be called a 'freeway' is the viaduct over the tracks.
its a nice place to watch trains, if one is so inclined.
?? That's a bridge. Hard to call a bridge a "freeway".
Quote from: kphoger on August 11, 2020, 01:06:28 PM
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on August 08, 2020, 10:47:15 AM
i think the classic example is I-180 in cheyenne -- the only section that could be called a 'freeway' is the viaduct over the tracks.
its a nice place to watch trains, if one is so inclined.
?? That's a bridge. Hard to call a bridge a "freeway".
very much right.. but for its length, short tho it may be, has no at-grade intersections.
its bizarre, whatever you want to call it.
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on August 11, 2020, 05:49:19 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 11, 2020, 01:06:28 PM
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on August 08, 2020, 10:47:15 AM
i think the classic example is I-180 in cheyenne -- the only section that could be called a 'freeway' is the viaduct over the tracks.
its a nice place to watch trains, if one is so inclined.
?? That's a bridge. Hard to call a bridge a "freeway".
very much right.. but for its length, short tho it may be, has no at-grade intersections.
its bizarre, whatever you want to call it.
It's not bizarre. I can't think of a single bridge over a freight yard that
does have at-grade intersections. (This will now prompt someone on here to post a counterexample, of course.)
Example: Would you call
this bridge (https://goo.gl/maps/zZngiqKCesWYEJg47) a "section of freeway"? Hardly*, yet it's exactly the same distance from intersection to intersection as on I-180 in Cheyenne.
*
There did, however, use to be pedestrian access (https://goo.gl/maps/cDjiqNNSXuf9FffB9) to the commuter rail platform, which was immediately adjacent to the freight yard. I used it once or twice. It has since been removed (https://goo.gl/maps/vRxFDAsjzFj6U1AWA).