71
They didn't have anywhere else they needed to go.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 08, 2020, 08:51:27 PM
They didn't have anywhere else they needed to go.
I think some of us can agree that I-76 (e) could use an extension westward and/or eastward. I-79 has nowhere to go unless its routed along Corridor L to I-75 (which will never happen), I-71 has been discussed on this forum to overtake the WK Parkway to I-69 (or I-24), and I-78, along with everything not stated above, is short because it has nowhere else to go without pipe dream extensions.
The only interstates that were designed for long distances are the x5s, x0s, I-64 (defacto I-50/60), I-94 (effectively a second I-90), I-84w (no x0s in grid), I-77 (no x5s in the grid), and congressional/coalition designated corridors like I-69, I-29/49, I-57 and I-14 (which doesn't nearly fully exist yet). Other than that, most other interstates are short city connectors that don't need to go very far, and if they went further they'd be in the middle of nowhere or redundant to another interstate highway. Many routes are restricted by geography, particularly in the northeast. The extra distance isn't needed and often the interstate has nowhere to go.
Another bit about I-76: I'm pretty sure both the Eastern and Western branches were originally I-80S/branch routes from I-80. They became I-76s in 1976 - celebrating the Republic making it 200 years
I-78 was supposed to be a longer route but it was (mostly) cancelled in New York City so....
What
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 09, 2020, 12:39:48 PM
What
What the OP is saying is that the four Interstates mentioned aren't that long, unlike some others such as I-44, I-64, and I-81 (deliberately excluding the multiples of 5). However, the OP, in both this thread and in others, keeps using words that don't refer to length, sometimes confusing it with width and sometimes just being ambiguous.
Quote from: KingAngeloTheGreat on August 08, 2020, 08:49:13 PM
Why are those highways so small I love those highways but they're so small. Why is that?
They're doing the best they can. :-(
I-71 occurs as the right length. It parallels US 42 and shares the same cities (Cleveland, Louisville) for its termini.
I-76, formerly I-80S, has had extensions proposed at both ends. In Ohio, I-80S on some early planning documents was to diverge from I-80/90/Ohio Turnpike at the US 250 exit at Milan and follow the US 250 and US 224 corridors to the current I-76 west terminus at I-71. None of this corridor past Lodi was improved, and it's been removed from planning documents for over 50 years.
On its eastern end, it's been proposed and studied to extend I-76 down the Atlantic City Expressway. My understanding is that NJDOT believes it could cause motorist confusion and that there's no benefit to doing it. There are likely substandard design features that would need upgraded before it could be signed newly as an Interstate.
Re I-79, south of Charleston there is only one freeway corridor through the mountains. I-77 'won' the designation as it supplanted/parallels historic US 21 its entire length.
A more reasonable question would be why are I-30 and I-45 so small (short)?
Quote from: I-55 on August 09, 2020, 01:07:41 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 08, 2020, 08:51:27 PM
They didn't have anywhere else they needed to go.
I think some of us can agree that I-76 (e) could use an extension westward and/or eastward. I-79 has nowhere to go unless its routed along Corridor L to I-75 (which will never happen), I-71 has been discussed on this forum to overtake the WK Parkway to I-69 (or I-24), and I-78, along with everything not stated above, is short because it has nowhere else to go without pipe dream extensions.
The only interstates that were designed for long distances are the x5s, x0s, I-64 (defacto I-50/60), I-94 (effectively a second I-90), I-84w (no x0s in grid), I-77 (no x5s in the grid), and congressional/coalition designated corridors like I-69, I-29/49, I-57 and I-14 (which doesn't nearly fully exist yet). Other than that, most other interstates are short city connectors that don't need to go very far, and if they went further they'd be in the middle of nowhere or redundant to another interstate highway. Many routes are restricted by geography, particularly in the northeast. The extra distance isn't needed and often the interstate has nowhere to go.
Just curious, where would you extend I-76(E) from it's western terminus?
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 10, 2020, 09:29:29 AM
Quote from: I-55 on August 09, 2020, 01:07:41 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 08, 2020, 08:51:27 PM
They didn't have anywhere else they needed to go.
I think some of us can agree that I-76 (e) could use an extension westward and/or eastward. I-79 has nowhere to go unless its routed along Corridor L to I-75 (which will never happen), I-71 has been discussed on this forum to overtake the WK Parkway to I-69 (or I-24), and I-78, along with everything not stated above, is short because it has nowhere else to go without pipe dream extensions.
The only interstates that were designed for long distances are the x5s, x0s, I-64 (defacto I-50/60), I-94 (effectively a second I-90), I-84w (no x0s in grid), I-77 (no x5s in the grid), and congressional/coalition designated corridors like I-69, I-29/49, I-57 and I-14 (which doesn't nearly fully exist yet). Other than that, most other interstates are short city connectors that don't need to go very far, and if they went further they'd be in the middle of nowhere or redundant to another interstate highway. Many routes are restricted by geography, particularly in the northeast. The extra distance isn't needed and often the interstate has nowhere to go.
Just curious, where would you extend I-76(E) from it's its western terminus?
The most common proposal I've seen is to Fort Wayne.
Quote from: 1 on August 10, 2020, 09:31:04 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 10, 2020, 09:29:29 AM
Quote from: I-55 on August 09, 2020, 01:07:41 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 08, 2020, 08:51:27 PM
They didn't have anywhere else they needed to go.
I think some of us can agree that I-76 (e) could use an extension westward and/or eastward. I-79 has nowhere to go unless its routed along Corridor L to I-75 (which will never happen), I-71 has been discussed on this forum to overtake the WK Parkway to I-69 (or I-24), and I-78, along with everything not stated above, is short because it has nowhere else to go without pipe dream extensions.
The only interstates that were designed for long distances are the x5s, x0s, I-64 (defacto I-50/60), I-94 (effectively a second I-90), I-84w (no x0s in grid), I-77 (no x5s in the grid), and congressional/coalition designated corridors like I-69, I-29/49, I-57 and I-14 (which doesn't nearly fully exist yet). Other than that, most other interstates are short city connectors that don't need to go very far, and if they went further they'd be in the middle of nowhere or redundant to another interstate highway. Many routes are restricted by geography, particularly in the northeast. The extra distance isn't needed and often the interstate has nowhere to go.
Just curious, where would you extend I-76(E) from it's its western terminus?
The most common proposal I've seen is to Fort Wayne.
It sure would be nice to extend it to Chicago and connect it to I-80.
Is it like driving a car on a bike lane? Like the pavement isn't wide enough for a car?
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 10, 2020, 05:53:58 PM
Is it like driving a car on a bike lane? Like the pavement isn't wide enough for a car?
At least in the Holland Tunnel
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 10, 2020, 09:29:29 AM
Quote from: I-55 on August 09, 2020, 01:07:41 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 08, 2020, 08:51:27 PM
They didn't have anywhere else they needed to go.
I think some of us can agree that I-76 (e) could use an extension westward and/or eastward. I-79 has nowhere to go unless its routed along Corridor L to I-75 (which will never happen), I-71 has been discussed on this forum to overtake the WK Parkway to I-69 (or I-24), and I-78, along with everything not stated above, is short because it has nowhere else to go without pipe dream extensions.
The only interstates that were designed for long distances are the x5s, x0s, I-64 (defacto I-50/60), I-94 (effectively a second I-90), I-84w (no x0s in grid), I-77 (no x5s in the grid), and congressional/coalition designated corridors like I-69, I-29/49, I-57 and I-14 (which doesn't nearly fully exist yet). Other than that, most other interstates are short city connectors that don't need to go very far, and if they went further they'd be in the middle of nowhere or redundant to another interstate highway. Many routes are restricted by geography, particularly in the northeast. The extra distance isn't needed and often the interstate has nowhere to go.
Just curious, where would you extend I-76(E) from it's western terminus?
Multiple roadgeek pipedreams for I-76 E have it going south on I-71 to Mansfield, Ohio and then following US 30 west to somewhere (depending on the proposal) near Chicago.
Why are 95, 5, and 75 so tall?
I don't know but I-80 and I-90 are so big.
Quote from: I-55 on August 10, 2020, 06:14:23 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 10, 2020, 05:53:58 PM
Is it like driving a car on a bike lane? Like the pavement isn't wide enough for a car?
At least in the Holland Tunnel
This guy gets it
Quote from: STLmapboy on August 11, 2020, 08:41:48 PM
Why are 95, 5, and 75 so tall?
I-15 & I-35 would like a word.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/I-71.svg/12px-I-71.svg.png) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/I-76.svg/12px-I-76.svg.png) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/I-78.svg/12px-I-78.svg.png) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/I-79.svg/12px-I-79.svg.png)
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 12, 2020, 02:49:32 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/I-71.svg/12px-I-71.svg.png) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/I-76.svg/12px-I-76.svg.png) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/I-78.svg/12px-I-78.svg.png) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/I-79.svg/12px-I-79.svg.png)
These need to exist as forum emojis.
Quote from: 1 on August 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
These need to exist as forum emojis.
What emotion would you even convey with those? "Oh, I see FritzOwl posted again. (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/I-238_%281961%29.svg/24px-I-238_%281961%29.svg.png)"
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 12, 2020, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
These need to exist as forum emojis.
What emotion would you even convey with those? "Oh, I see FritzOwl posted again. (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/I-238_%281961%29.svg/24px-I-238_%281961%29.svg.png)"
how 'bout...
- I-69: legislative silliness
- I-76: "named highway X should be an interstate!" (see: Atlantic City Expressway, NJ Tpk from exits 1-6)
- I-86: interstates for interstates' sake
- I-99: grid? what grid?
Quote from: odditude on August 12, 2020, 06:06:52 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 12, 2020, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
These need to exist as forum emojis.
What emotion would you even convey with those? "Oh, I see FritzOwl posted again. (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/I-238_%281961%29.svg/24px-I-238_%281961%29.svg.png)"
how 'bout...
- I-69: legislative silliness
- I-76: "named highway X should be an interstate!" (see: Atlantic City Expressway, NJ Tpk from exits 1-6)
- I-86: interstates for interstates' sake
- I-99: grid? what grid?
Also, I-97: two digits 'cause why not!
I-35: "Is it one route, or three?"
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 12, 2020, 06:46:16 PM
I-35: "Is it one route, or three?"
I-69: "Is it one route, or four?"
Quote from: Ben114 on August 12, 2020, 06:30:26 PM
Also, I-97: two digits 'cause why not!
It connects Baltimore with Annapolis and the Bay Bridge via US 50, serves as part of the alternate route to Richmond that includes MD 3 and US 301, and passes right by BWI.
Quote from: KingAngeloTheGreat on August 08, 2020, 08:49:13 PM
Why are those highways so small I love those highways but they're so small. Why is that?
Because of Tiny Elvis.
Why is I-H201?
<mic drop>
Quote from: epzik8 on August 13, 2020, 04:42:50 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on August 12, 2020, 06:30:26 PM
Also, I-97: two digits 'cause why not!
It connects Baltimore with Annapolis and the Bay Bridge via US 50, serves as part of the alternate route to Richmond that includes MD 3 and US 301, and passes right by BWI.
By that logic, I-196 in MI, both I-155's in IL and MO/TN, I-380 in IA, I-580 in CA, I-335 in KS, and probably several other 3DIs should be two digits. All are just as useful with multiple local purposes and have destinations well beyond their endpoints. Ben114 stated it more succinctly than I just did, but he's right. The only apparent reason is "why not?"
I-97 has a purpose and definitely should be an interstate highway, it just does not need to have a 2di number. It should be a I-x95.
Quote from: skluth on August 19, 2020, 05:48:14 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on August 13, 2020, 04:42:50 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on August 12, 2020, 06:30:26 PM
Also, I-97: two digits 'cause why not!
It connects Baltimore with Annapolis and the Bay Bridge via US 50, serves as part of the alternate route to Richmond that includes MD 3 and US 301, and passes right by BWI.
By that logic, I-196 in MI, both I-155's in IL and MO/TN, I-380 in IA, I-580 in CA, I-335 in KS, and probably several other 3DIs should be two digits. All are just as useful with multiple local purposes and have destinations well beyond their endpoints. Ben114 stated it more succinctly than I just did, but he's right. The only apparent reason is "why not?"
Yes, why not! I love little anomalies like that. Why does I-17 not start at mile 0 (there is a historical reason I know, but a lot of time has passed to correct it and Arizona just won't)? Why does I-19 have kilometer markers? These things are dumb, but they are kinda cool too!
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 19, 2020, 07:26:05 PM
Quote from: skluth on August 19, 2020, 05:48:14 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on August 13, 2020, 04:42:50 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on August 12, 2020, 06:30:26 PM
Also, I-97: two digits 'cause why not!
It connects Baltimore with Annapolis and the Bay Bridge via US 50, serves as part of the alternate route to Richmond that includes MD 3 and US 301, and passes right by BWI.
By that logic, I-196 in MI, both I-155's in IL and MO/TN, I-380 in IA, I-580 in CA, I-335 in KS, and probably several other 3DIs should be two digits. All are just as useful with multiple local purposes and have destinations well beyond their endpoints. Ben114 stated it more succinctly than I just did, but he's right. The only apparent reason is "why not?"
Yes, why not! I love little anomalies like that. Why does I-17 not start at mile 0 (there is a historical reason I know, but a lot of time has passed to correct it and Arizona just won't)? Why does I-19 have kilometer markers? These things are dumb, but they are kinda cool too!
Much like I-30 and I-45 both being under 400 miles each yet still holding the -0 and -5 in their number.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 12, 2020, 02:49:32 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/I-71.svg/12px-I-71.svg.png) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/I-76.svg/12px-I-76.svg.png) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/I-78.svg/12px-I-78.svg.png) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/I-79.svg/12px-I-79.svg.png)
The only appropriate response :thumbsup:
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 19, 2020, 08:03:01 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 19, 2020, 07:26:05 PM
Quote from: skluth on August 19, 2020, 05:48:14 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on August 13, 2020, 04:42:50 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on August 12, 2020, 06:30:26 PM
Also, I-97: two digits 'cause why not!
It connects Baltimore with Annapolis and the Bay Bridge via US 50, serves as part of the alternate route to Richmond that includes MD 3 and US 301, and passes right by BWI.
By that logic, I-196 in MI, both I-155's in IL and MO/TN, I-380 in IA, I-580 in CA, I-335 in KS, and probably several other 3DIs should be two digits. All are just as useful with multiple local purposes and have destinations well beyond their endpoints. Ben114 stated it more succinctly than I just did, but he's right. The only apparent reason is "why not?"
Yes, why not! I love little anomalies like that. Why does I-17 not start at mile 0 (there is a historical reason I know, but a lot of time has passed to correct it and Arizona just won't)? Why does I-19 have kilometer markers? These things are dumb, but they are kinda cool too!
Much like I-30 and I-45 both being under 400 miles each yet still holding the -0 and -5 in their number.
I-45 is major because it connects Dallas and Houston. I-30 should be I-32 or I-28.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 12, 2020, 06:46:16 PM
I-35: "Is it one route, or three?"
I'm counting three:
-Laredo, TX to Hillsboro, TX
-Denton, TX to Burnsville, MN
-Columbus, MN to Duluth, MN
Quote from: skluth on August 19, 2020, 05:48:14 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on August 13, 2020, 04:42:50 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on August 12, 2020, 06:30:26 PM
Also, I-97: two digits 'cause why not!
It connects Baltimore with Annapolis and the Bay Bridge via US 50, serves as part of the alternate route to Richmond that includes MD 3 and US 301, and passes right by BWI.
By that logic, I-196 in MI, both I-155's in IL and MO/TN, I-380 in IA, I-580 in CA, I-335 in KS, and probably several other 3DIs should be two digits. All are just as useful with multiple local purposes and have destinations well beyond their endpoints. Ben114 stated it more succinctly than I just did, but he's right. The only apparent reason is "why not?"
For I-196, you need to know the history. I-96 was originally going to loop from Detroit thru Grand Rapids, then follow what is now I-196 past Holland to I-94 at Benton Harbor. I-196 went to Muskegon. However, when the segment from Holland to the east side of Grand Rapids was delayed, they swapped the designations so wb I-96 didn't mysteriously turn into I-196 on the east side of GR.
Quote from: webny99 on August 19, 2020, 10:46:30 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 12, 2020, 06:46:16 PM
I-35: "Is it one route, or three?"
I'm counting three:
-Laredo, TX to Hillsboro, TX
-Denton, TX to Burnsville, MN
-Columbus, MN to Duluth, MN
I favor the "one route" view following the 35Es, with separate 35Ws. I've even seen one poster say he views all of it together as one route.
^
I'd say they're all together as one route.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 20, 2020, 11:34:27 AM
Quote from: webny99 on August 19, 2020, 10:46:30 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 12, 2020, 06:46:16 PM
I-35: "Is it one route, or three?"
I'm counting three:
-Laredo, TX to Hillsboro, TX
-Denton, TX to Burnsville, MN
-Columbus, MN to Duluth, MN
I favor the "one route" view following the 35Es, with separate 35Ws. I've even seen one poster say he views all of it together as one route.
I would say I-35 goes to I-35E through Dallas, then I-35W through Minneapolis.
I believe the only reason those freeways got a 2 digit number is that they cross state lines, hence being an actual interstate so 3dis aren't appropriate.
Quote from: SeriesE on August 20, 2020, 12:16:06 PM
I believe the only reason those freeways got a 2 digit number is that they cross state lines, hence being an actual interstate so 3dis aren't appropriate.
Then why is I-395 in MA and CT a 3di and not a 2di? It crosses a state line and is a direct corridor.
Quote from: SeriesE on August 20, 2020, 12:16:06 PM
I believe the only reason those freeways got a 2 digit number is that they cross state lines, hence being an actual interstate so 3dis aren't appropriate.
There are 25 multi-state three digit interstates, three of which go into three (counting DC as a 'state'). Not a rare circumstance.
Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on August 20, 2020, 12:06:01 PM
I would say I-35 goes to I-35E through Dallas, then I-35W through Minneapolis.
On what basis? In both cases the exit numbers continue through on I-35E.
Quote from: SectorZ on August 20, 2020, 01:36:01 PM
Quote from: SeriesE on August 20, 2020, 12:16:06 PM
I believe the only reason those freeways got a 2 digit number is that they cross state lines, hence being an actual interstate so 3dis aren't appropriate.
There are 25 multi-state three digit interstates, three of which go into three (counting DC as a 'state'). Not a rare circumstance.
True, but this gets used as a justification by the politicians to get a 2 digit route number on the corridor.
^
NC I-42 could be an I-x40.
VA I-66 could be an I-x81.
MD I-97 could be an I-x95.
FL I-4 could be an I-x95.
TX I-2 could be an I-x69 (or I-69S)
TX I-27 could be an I-x40.
GA I-16 could be an I-x95 (this is pushing it).
Quote from: 1 on August 20, 2020, 12:36:34 PM
Quote from: SeriesE on August 20, 2020, 12:16:06 PM
I believe the only reason those freeways got a 2 digit number is that they cross state lines, hence being an actual interstate so 3dis aren't appropriate.
Then why is I-395 in MA and CT a 3di and not a 2di? It crosses a state line and is a direct corridor.
Had this been put in the interstate system in the 50s or 60s it probably could have been number 95W.
Quote from: US 89 on August 20, 2020, 01:46:41 PM
Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on August 20, 2020, 12:06:01 PM
I would say I-35 goes to I-35E through Dallas, then I-35W through Minneapolis.
On what basis? In both cases the exit numbers continue through on I-35E.
Based on which is more well-known.
Quote from: 1 on August 20, 2020, 12:36:34 PM
Quote from: SeriesE on August 20, 2020, 12:16:06 PM
I believe the only reason those freeways got a 2 digit number is that they cross state lines, hence being an actual interstate so 3dis aren't appropriate.
Then why is I-395 in MA and CT a 3di and not a 2di? It crosses a state line and is a direct corridor.
There is an exception to every rule. This is why we have I-238. :-D
It's really up to the whims of politicians who approved or requested the number: whether they need the votes or not.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 19, 2020, 07:26:05 PM
Quote from: skluth on August 19, 2020, 05:48:14 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on August 13, 2020, 04:42:50 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on August 12, 2020, 06:30:26 PM
Also, I-97: two digits 'cause why not!
It connects Baltimore with Annapolis and the Bay Bridge via US 50, serves as part of the alternate route to Richmond that includes MD 3 and US 301, and passes right by BWI.
By that logic, I-196 in MI, both I-155's in IL and MO/TN, I-380 in IA, I-580 in CA, I-335 in KS, and probably several other 3DIs should be two digits. All are just as useful with multiple local purposes and have destinations well beyond their endpoints. Ben114 stated it more succinctly than I just did, but he's right. The only apparent reason is "why not?"
Yes, why not! I love little anomalies like that. Why does I-17 not start at mile 0 (there is a historical reason I know, but a lot of time has passed to correct it and Arizona just won't)? Why does I-19 have kilometer markers? These things are dumb, but they are kinda cool too!
Delaware Route 1's exits are kilometer-based too. Evidently, both I-19 and DE 1 were constructed when the US was considering converting to the metric system, and this included miles to kilometers. Sorry I'm late on this response.