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Title: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: thspfc on August 09, 2020, 09:56:29 AM
Example: US-45 in Wisconsin.
A lightly-traveled two lane road in northern WI through forests and lakes: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.8337501,-89.1885207,3a,90y,355.93h,97.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOdz36T66XX4srAN632-6fQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
A slightly busier rural 2-4 lane highway through farmland:
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.7030484,-88.9341101,3a,55.1y,134.3h,87.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQKXLLOcMPp_GN1Ei_j5YGw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
A rural four lane freeway:
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.1748013,-88.6645755,3a,53.4y,189.09h,91.28t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s4_tSPmh-j9SM90NsJ9w32g!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D4_tSPmh-j9SM90NsJ9w32g%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D194.69966%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
A city street in Oshkosh:
https://www.google.com/maps/@44.0139527,-88.5375933,3a,75y,7.29h,89.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svvn4bs5xJjp8aRKT4Uf3GQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
A beautiful road along Lake Winnebago:
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.8779617,-88.4639743,3a,75y,8.28h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1shiSS4Dq6JSK6SqXKng0XmQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DhiSS4Dq6JSK6SqXKng0XmQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D190.05113%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
A city street again in Fond du Lac:
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7838253,-88.4470687,3a,75y,189.96h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPWKZYQ2ScjURU_QdTPyIDw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
A rural two lane road again:
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6639976,-88.2636034,3a,75y,156.19h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_HYsbZONSXYrXAaoia7_AQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D_HYsbZONSXYrXAaoia7_AQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D191.64388%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
A four lane freeway again:
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.3714294,-88.1942436,3a,75y,194.39h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1smlVSOe5ijWlp4-Yq1Nms2Q!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DmlVSOe5ijWlp4-Yq1Nms2Q%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D352.47845%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
An 8-12 lane freeway with a five level stack:
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0364269,-88.0333745,3a,75y,186.99h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgaenosImLbO035h4NdXFmw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Then back to a rural two lane road:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5473218,-88.0501949,3a,75y,198.92h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sbkgPfNMu8rmoIOsSPD7zeQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DbkgPfNMu8rmoIOsSPD7zeQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D339.54312%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
Others?
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: I-55 on August 09, 2020, 10:50:48 AM
US-33 and US-35 in Ohio go from two lane roads going through small towns on the western side of the state to being expressways and interstate grade facilities through the mountains of eastern Ohio.

US-30 is the inverse, it is a two lane mountain road in the east and becomes the only at grade route (other than US-33) to have a 70 mph speed limit east of the Mississippi in the plains of west Ohio.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Ned Weasel on August 09, 2020, 10:53:51 AM
Quote from: thspfc on August 09, 2020, 09:56:29 AM
Example: US-45 in Wisconsin. From the Michigan border to around New London, it's a sparsely-traveled two lane highway passing through a few little towns. But in the Milwaukee area, it's an 8 to 10 lane freeway, and passes through a five level stack.
Others?

US 50 in Kansas is similar like that.  2-lane road in Western Kansas, 8-lane freeway with C-D roadways in Northeast Kansas, except the latter part is part of I-435, and US 50's turn-off from I-35 to I-435 is only shown on supplemental ground-mounted signs.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Super Mateo on August 09, 2020, 11:02:09 AM
Going southbound, IL 83 goes from a major road with interchanges and sparse stoplights, to a regular arterial, to mostly quiet two lane road through the forest preserves, to a basic suburban arterial.  The route does not go anywhere south of Chicagoland.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 09, 2020, 11:15:03 AM
CA 4 goes from far flung one lane seasonal mountain pass to a levee bound highways in the Sacramento River Delta before becoming a major urban freeway near the Carquinez Strait.  The historic extent of CA 2 would probably be the only real contender given current CA 173 and it's dirt segment were part of the highway.  CA 1 doesn't quite go down to the level of CA 4 over Ebbetts Pass but it highly contrasts from rural coast road to urban freeway in places like Monterey and the San Francisco Peninsula. 
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on August 09, 2020, 12:30:25 PM
In Minnesota it's probably MN 65, originating in the heart of downtown Minneapolis at the south end, while near the north end parts of the route weren't paved until 2000.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Roadgeekteen on August 09, 2020, 12:39:29 PM
In Massachusetts, probably MA 2.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: hotdogPi on August 09, 2020, 12:45:39 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 09, 2020, 12:39:29 PM
In Massachusetts, probably MA 2.

MA 2 is still major in western Massachusetts, even though it's a surface road. What about MA 140? (I briefly considered 57 and 79, but they're minor freeways, making the contrast less.)
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on August 09, 2020, 12:47:28 PM
SH-14 here in colorado..

starts way up in the mountains on muddy pass at us 40, 8700 feet, drops down to the 7000s or so in north park, then up to 10,200 on cameron pass... down the canyon into the front range urban corridor in fort collins, then all the way out on the plains to sterling at us 6/138 at like 3900 feet.

Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: GaryV on August 09, 2020, 12:48:53 PM
For Michigan, my initial response was going to be I-75, comparing Detroit and other cities with the sparseness of the northern LP and the UP.  But then I thought, at least it's a freeway the whole way.

So I nominate US-23 instead.  Urban freeway (near Toledo, Ann Arbor, Flint, Saginaw) that changes to a lakeshore vacation surface route, going through smaller towns and cities.

Similar characteristics exist for US-31 and US-131. 
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: sprjus4 on August 09, 2020, 01:04:58 PM
For interstates, I-64 for Virginia.

The 299 mile long highway enters the western part of the state from West Virginia, traversing through the eastern part of the Appalachian Mountains, carrying below 10,000 AADT in most areas, the lightest traveled interstate in the state.

On the opposite end however, I-64 is the main interstate highway in the Hampton Roads metropolitan area, in many places 8 lanes or wider, carrying well over 100,000 AADT in many areas, dropping to around 90,000 AADT on its eastern end (near Bowers Hill in Chesapeake). The interstate traverses through Williamsburg, Newport News and Hampton on the Peninsula, then crosses the Hampton Roads harbor on the Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel (HRBT) to serve the Southside cities of Norfolk, Virginia Beach, and Chesapeake. Four auxiliary interstates, the only ones of I-64 in the state, I-264, I-464, I-564, and I-664 serve the other cities, Suffolk and Portsmouth, and connects other areas not served directly by I-64.

I-64 is the main route used east of I-295 (Richmond), carrying over 60,000 AADT and much higher during peak weekends on only 4 lanes, for tourists bound to the Virginia Beach oceanfront and further south to the Outer Banks via VA-168, NC-168, and US-158, both popular destinations during the summer. Efforts are currently underway to widen the entire corridor to 6 lanes between I-295 and Newport News to 6 lanes, and since 2017, nearly 20 miles have been complete, with an additional 8 miles underway near Williamsburg, which will leave only 27 miles left to be funded and constructed.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on August 09, 2020, 01:12:59 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 09, 2020, 01:04:58 PM
For interstates, I-64 for Virginia.

The 299 mile long highway enters the western part of the state from West Virginia, traversing through the eastern part of the Appalachian Mountains, carrying below 10,000 AADT in most areas, the lightest traveled interstate in the state.


i completely forgot that one.. quite the contrast indeed.. (lived in smithfield va at one time)
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: SectorZ on August 09, 2020, 02:14:07 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 09, 2020, 12:45:39 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 09, 2020, 12:39:29 PM
In Massachusetts, probably MA 2.

MA 2 is still major in western Massachusetts, even though it's a surface road. What about MA 140? (I briefly considered 57 and 79, but they're minor freeways, making the contrast less.)

MA 9. It's relatively unimportant in western Mass, but east of Worcester is a 4-6 lane roadway all the way into Boston.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: debragga on August 09, 2020, 02:40:41 PM
US-67 in Texas goes from being a rural 2-lane road in West Texas to being multiplexed with the busy I-35E and I-30 freeways in Dallas.

LA-1 in Louisiana is a rural 2-lane road in most of the state, but is one of the main north-south arteries in Shreveport.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: US 89 on August 09, 2020, 02:51:24 PM
Utah's best example is probably SR 92...which goes from a narrow, winding, seasonal mountain road (https://goo.gl/maps/XLvovAgQEikj6FxZ6) to a four-lane expressway with its own set of additional "commuter" express lanes (https://goo.gl/maps/Ku5UvzMvVgaBhaWw7).
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: KeithE4Phx on August 09, 2020, 03:13:37 PM
Quote from: thspfc on August 09, 2020, 09:56:29 AM
Example: US-45 in Wisconsin. From the Michigan border to around New London, it's a sparsely-traveled two lane highway passing through a few little towns. But in the Milwaukee area, it's an 8 to 10 lane freeway, and passes through a five level stack.
Others?

"Sparsely?"  Apparently you've never driven it on a Saturday during the summer, when one group of Wisconsin Northwoods and Upper Peninsula vacationers go home and the next group comes in.  Those "little towns" along 45 and points 20 miles either side of it are chock full of lakes, all filled with summer homes and resorts.

Same goes for US 51, which is about 30 miles west of 45.  Lots of lakes with summer homes and resorts in its vicinity as well.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: JayhawkCO on August 09, 2020, 03:14:18 PM
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on August 09, 2020, 12:47:28 PM
SH-14 here in colorado..

starts way up in the mountains on muddy pass at us 40, 8700 feet, drops down to the 7000s or so in north park, then up to 10,200 on cameron pass... down the canyon into the front range urban corridor in fort collins, then all the way out on the plains to sterling at us 6/138 at like 3900 feet.

For state routes, I'd agree, but I'd have to go with I-70.  Between the plains, Denver metro, the mountains, and then the mesas, even more variation.  CO14's Fort Collins segment isn't exactly urban.

Chris
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: KeithE4Phx on August 09, 2020, 03:25:30 PM
In Arizona, I'll go with US 60.  Desert, small towns, retirement cities, a bad part of west Phoenix, then freeway (with I-17, then I-10, and finally its own) to Apache Junction.  Then it meanders through mining towns, through the Salt River Canyon, then up into the mountains before entering New Mexico.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: wanderer2575 on August 09, 2020, 03:26:08 PM
Quote from: I-55 on August 09, 2020, 10:50:48 AM
US-33 and US-35 in Ohio go from two lane roads going through small towns on the western side of the state to being expressways and interstate grade facilities through the mountains of eastern Ohio.

US-30 is the inverse, it is a two lane mountain road in the east and becomes the only at grade route (other than US-33) to have a 70 mph speed limit east of the Mississippi in the plains of west Ohio.

I think top honors in Ohio go to OH-315, which is a six-lane urban freeway within the Columbus beltway and a rural two-lane road between the beltway and its northern terminus with US-23 in Delaware.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: KCRoadFan on August 09, 2020, 04:53:35 PM
I-55 in Missouri.

Between the St. Louis area and Cape Girardeau, I-55 is characterized by hilly terrain as it runs along the Mississippi River bluffs; south of Cape, it gives way to the Delta lowlands and is pretty much flat all the way to Memphis.

Also I-70 in Colorado: flat east of Denver, mountainous to the west.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: cwf1701 on August 09, 2020, 05:00:06 PM
Quote from: GaryV on August 09, 2020, 12:48:53 PM
For Michigan, my initial response was going to be I-75, comparing Detroit and other cities with the sparseness of the northern LP and the UP.  But then I thought, at least it's a freeway the whole way.

So I nominate US-23 instead.  Urban freeway (near Toledo, Ann Arbor, Flint, Saginaw) that changes to a lakeshore vacation surface route, going through smaller towns and cities.

Similar characteristics exist for US-31 and US-131.

and a good second choice, M-53. From Gratiot (M-3), M-53 starts out as a Urban road with a center turn lane, then a Divided Highway from 15-18 Mile road with Michigan Left, then a freeway from 18-28 Mile road. Expressway from 28-34 Mile road. and 2 lane road passing thru towns up to its northern termius in the Thumb at M-25.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Roadrunner75 on August 09, 2020, 05:17:09 PM
US 9 in New Jersey:

From this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8559075,-73.9712837,3a,75y,302.02h,85.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sckkny3cnbDQJ-agYCoYbpQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8559075,-73.9712837,3a,75y,302.02h,85.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sckkny3cnbDQJ-agYCoYbpQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
To this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7354835,-74.091125,3a,75y,257.4h,81.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEy5eu-95wZDp4wfv2FmLgw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7354835,-74.091125,3a,75y,257.4h,81.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEy5eu-95wZDp4wfv2FmLgw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
To this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5808378,-74.284501,3a,75y,204.23h,105.12t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sulJx_Mo9gK5zYU9yk8pKtQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DulJx_Mo9gK5zYU9yk8pKtQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D64.75083%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5808378,-74.284501,3a,75y,204.23h,105.12t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sulJx_Mo9gK5zYU9yk8pKtQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DulJx_Mo9gK5zYU9yk8pKtQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D64.75083%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
To this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5158044,-74.458729,3a,76.4y,186.09h,83.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfEw59rMAosirBJVVr6MzgQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5158044,-74.458729,3a,76.4y,186.09h,83.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfEw59rMAosirBJVVr6MzgQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
To this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9671976,-74.9667703,3a,75y,276.33h,86.96t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipPW4uMPLckpFA2Wlz0GMbkJqb4HhJ7L2pn6SQFp!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPW4uMPLckpFA2Wlz0GMbkJqb4HhJ7L2pn6SQFp%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0.149994-ya326.1616-ro0.4143933-fo100!7i5760!8i2880 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9671976,-74.9667703,3a,75y,276.33h,86.96t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipPW4uMPLckpFA2Wlz0GMbkJqb4HhJ7L2pn6SQFp!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPW4uMPLckpFA2Wlz0GMbkJqb4HhJ7L2pn6SQFp%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0.149994-ya326.1616-ro0.4143933-fo100!7i5760!8i2880)
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: pianocello on August 09, 2020, 05:17:18 PM
Indiana SR 49.

North of US 30, it's a major expressway serving as a shortcut between US 30 and the Toll Road/I-94, and used by commuter traffic between Valparaiso and Chicago.

South of US 30, it's a quiet 2-lane road that passes through rural areas and small towns.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 09, 2020, 06:31:35 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on August 09, 2020, 03:25:30 PM
In Arizona, I'll go with US 60.  Desert, small towns, retirement cities, a bad part of west Phoenix, then freeway (with I-17, then I-10, and finally its own) to Apache Junction.  Then it meanders through mining towns, through the Salt River Canyon, then up into the mountains before entering New Mexico.

If I was going to go State Highway I would pick AZ 87 for similar reasons.  The only thing AZ 87 doesn't have is a true freeway segment but the Beeline Highway is a pretty damn spectacular expressway. 
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: KeithE4Phx on August 09, 2020, 06:57:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 09, 2020, 06:31:35 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on August 09, 2020, 03:25:30 PM
In Arizona, I'll go with US 60.  Desert, small towns, retirement cities, a bad part of west Phoenix, then freeway (with I-17, then I-10, and finally its own) to Apache Junction.  Then it meanders through mining towns, through the Salt River Canyon, then up into the mountains before entering New Mexico.

If I was going to go State Highway I would pick AZ 87 for similar reasons.  The only thing AZ 87 doesn't have is a true freeway segment but the Beeline Highway is a pretty damn spectacular expressway.

I decided on US 60 because it's longer.  AZ 87 and I-17 deserve honorable mentions.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: STLmapboy on August 09, 2020, 09:00:21 PM
MO-21. Starting at Arkansas Route 115, the majority of 21 is a two-lane winding road through (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.571944,-90.8786166,3a,89.8y,334.89h,94.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8iPp3h_T8v-XkFj9Fko1Gg!2e0!7i3328!8i1664/) the (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2110966,-90.9490777,3a,75y,324.45h,83.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbQx3nHL8FbDwLhaelO1G0w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656/) Ozarks (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.1085707,-90.6164054,3a,63.4y,246.96h,88.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soAwDgt7QNT1NJKPQoaoPFw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656/) that then blossoms to 2000s-constructed four-lane expressway (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3360149,-90.5070689,3a,75y,162.72h,88.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1so-gkYvd-zj_Gz4jO2wtZuQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656/) from Hillsboro to the Meramec River/141. The latter section was constructed to replace the rather dangerous Old Route 21 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3891288,-90.4978259,3a,75y,228.94h,70.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syuQBaTF4HWIahsoQmzlsdw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656/), nicknamed Blood Alley, which still flirts with the expressway on its original routing. It has long been proposed to expand the expressway from its current stub (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.2311867,-90.5786345,3515m/data=!3m1!1e3/) in Hillsboro further south to DeSoto, but nothing has come to fruition. MO-21 crosses 270 and enters STL suburbia as Tesson Ferry Rd, with a rather unceremonious ending at MO 30-Gravois Rd (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5499663,-90.3328414,3a,23.1y,15.75h,88.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sb7yf2Po_qOSeIa78Ko5trQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192/) in Affton.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: tdindy88 on August 09, 2020, 09:23:10 PM
I would suggest for Indiana SR 135. It begins at a bridge over the Ohio River and runs north through fairly hilly terrain through Harrison and Washington Counties, passing by historic Corydon and (until recently) around a historic courthouse square in Salem (which has been bypassed since.) After continuing north to US 50 in Brownstown (another county seat) the highway then runs through an area deep in the Hoosier National Forest, a low-count highway with lots of bends and turns through Jackson and Brown Counties. Once it arrives in another popular town, Nashville the highway continued north through the hills of Brown County, now serving as a route between Nashville and Indianapolis. North of Morgantown the terrain suddenly flattens out and the highway runs through terrain similar to the central part of the state through Johnson County. Near Greenwood the highway widens and it serves a large commercial district, running through the south side along Meridian Street before finally terminating near US 31 and I-465, more than 100 miles from the Ohio River. In older times the highway used to continue up Meridian Street all the way to Downtown Indianapolis, connecting Indiana's first capital city with its current capital.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Bickendan on August 09, 2020, 09:32:19 PM
US 26 in Oregon, hands down, and it used to be better before it was truncated from Astoria to the interchange with US 101 between Cannon Beah and Seaside.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Konza on August 09, 2020, 10:23:05 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on August 09, 2020, 06:57:28 PM
AZ 87 and I-17 deserve honorable mentions.

If US 80 hadn't been decommissioned, it would merit consideration in Arizona as well.

Sky Islands.  The border at Douglas.  Bisbee.  Tombstone. Chihuahuan desert.  Tucson.  Sonoran Desert.  Phoenix.  More Sonoran Desert.  Yuma and the border again.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Jmiles32 on August 09, 2020, 10:33:53 PM
Route 28 is another good example in Virignia that I'd like to nominate. Starts off as rural two-lane road with about 10,000 AADT and within 50 miles is an eight-lane expressway (with plans to get wider) that carries over 164,000 AADT and is constantly conjested.

Southern terminus near Remington:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5637148,-77.7994717,3a,45y,32.7h,88.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJXp_Er2A4OC6YO2KGemDGA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

Middle Segment near Manassas:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.7820008,-77.4500608,3a,27.4y,11.4h,85.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sK8tZzfUsib1E9Qeq4I7SnA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

At the VA-267 interchnage near Dulles Airport:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9667618,-77.4288761,3a,35.6y,182.1h,85.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sI1iE8mZPDt8RQh5PDZcoKg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: gonealookin on August 09, 2020, 10:54:27 PM
Not a lot of good candidates in Nevada so I suppose I'll settle for US 95.  Urban freeway and high speed expressway in the south and also coincides with Interstate 80 for some distance in the north.  The rest is two-lane road with AADT not much more than 2000 in some areas, generally near Tonopah in the central part of the state.  None of it goes through mountains though and the only short stretch that's the least bit winding is the few miles alongside Walker Lake just north of Hawthorne.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 09, 2020, 10:59:04 PM
Quote from: gonealookin on August 09, 2020, 10:54:27 PM
Not a lot of good candidates in Nevada so I suppose I'll settle for US 95.  Urban freeway and high speed expressway in the south and also coincides with Interstate 80 for some distance in the north.  The rest is two-lane road with AADT not much more than 2000 in some areas, generally near Tonopah in the central part of the state.  None of it goes through mountains though and the only short stretch that's the least bit winding is the few miles alongside Walker Lake just north of Hawthorne.

US 50 has some pretty decent variation itself given it begins as an expressway from the California State Line and is a freeway in the Carson City Area.  US 50 east of Fallon towards Ely has become infamously desolate (even though I'd give the lonely moniker to US 6 between Tonopah-Ely) and doesn't resemble anything other than a hyper remote US Route by the Utah State Line.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 09, 2020, 11:05:37 PM
With Florida I'd say US 27 has the most variations in regards to geographic.  US 27 is a major urban surface street in Tallahassee, goes through a remote of the Gulf Coast region, the Ocala Plateau, the Everglades, before ending in downtown Miami. 
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: jp the roadgeek on August 10, 2020, 12:28:46 AM
I nominate I-95 for CT.  It's 8 and 10 lanes through most of Fairfield County and 6-8 lanes through the New Haven area.  But the area east of Branford; especially from Groton to the RI border, is mostly desolate (save for New London), despite the latter being within 20 minutes of two casinos, Mystic Seaport and Aquarium, and the RI beaches. 
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: amroad17 on August 10, 2020, 02:10:51 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 09, 2020, 01:04:58 PM
For interstates, I-64 for Virginia.

The 299 mile long highway enters the western part of the state from West Virginia, traversing through the eastern part of the Appalachian Mountains, carrying below 10,000 AADT in most areas, the lightest traveled interstate in the state.

On the opposite end however, I-64 is the main interstate highway in the Hampton Roads metropolitan area, in many places 8 lanes or wider, carrying well over 100,000 AADT in many areas, dropping to around 90,000 AADT on its eastern end (near Bowers Hill in Chesapeake). The interstate traverses through Williamsburg, Newport News and Hampton on the Peninsula, then crosses the Hampton Roads harbor on the Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel (HRBT) to serve the Southside cities of Norfolk, Virginia Beach, and Chesapeake. Four auxiliary interstates, the only ones of I-64 in the state, I-264, I-464, I-564, and I-664 serve the other cities, Suffolk and Portsmouth, and connects other areas not served directly by I-64.

I-64 is the main route used east of I-295 (Richmond), carrying over 60,000 AADT and much higher during peak weekends on only 4 lanes, for tourists bound to the Virginia Beach oceanfront and further south to the Outer Banks via VA-168, NC-168, and US-158, both popular destinations during the summer. Efforts are currently underway to widen the entire corridor to 6 lanes between I-295 and Newport News to 6 lanes, and since 2017, nearly 20 miles have been complete, with an additional 8 miles underway near Williamsburg, which will leave only 27 miles left to be funded and constructed.
And, along with what sprjus4 has posted, I would say US 60 in Virginia.  Enters the Commonwealth on a freeway (with I-64) in the mountains, becomes a (mostly) two-lane road through Lexington and throughout the rest of the Appalachians, goes through smaller towns and country areas between the mountains and Richmond, goes through Richmond as a main city street, is mostly a four-lane arterial from Richmond, through Williamsburg, Newport News, and Hampton, joins I-64 for an excursion over Hampton Roads on the HRBT, again leaves I-64 in Norfolk for some beach- and oceanside four-lane arterials until the resort section in Virginia Beach, at which it is a local street, with its shops, hotels, and some residences to its end at Rudee Inlet.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: noelbotevera on August 10, 2020, 03:09:00 AM
My vote for Pennsylvania goes to US 30. Fairly nondescript winding road, major freeway through Pittsburgh (and was the first designation with US 22; I-376 came later), suburban hell more or less to Irwin (does manage to get nice bridges in East Pittsburgh). East of Irwin/Greensburg US 30 reverts to a free alternate to the PA Turnpike, still a nondescript country road. East of Bedford somehow US 30 is an expressway, despite said expressway ending short of everyone's favorite town. Once again a normal 2 lane road (most truck traffic is on I-70, regional traffic on the Turnpike) winding through mountains, until the terrain flattens out at PA 75 in Fort Loudon. It's also the final hurrah for US 30's mountain climbing after its Oregonian beginnings.*

In central PA, US 30 serves as the lifeblood for Amish Country, passing through Chambersburg, Gettysburg, York, etc. East of York, US 30 becomes a freeway and stays that way until the Philadelphia area; although a 17 mile freeway gap exists due to Amish NIMBYs. East of US 202, US 30 reverts to a 4 lane road and is practically suburban hell entering Philadelphia. It has one final role as Girard Avenue, a major street in West Philadelphia (born and raised, in the playground...) until it jumps onto the freeways into New Jersey, spending time on the Schuylkill (or Surekill) and Vine Street Expressways.

*The mountains east of Chambersburg aren't really mountains; yes there's climbing lanes but no runaway truck ramps/grade signs posted, so it's more like a long hill than a mountain. Can easily maintain 50+ MPH there.

Maybe not as diverse as US 60 in Virginia (why not US 58?), US 45 in Illinois, or even US 30 in Oregon, but still quite the (long) journey.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: sprjus4 on August 10, 2020, 03:50:03 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 10, 2020, 03:09:00 AM
(why not US 58?)
Pretty much the same throughout the state, mix of 2 to 4 rural divided lane highway passing through some towns while bypassing others, with a small 20 mile concurrency with I-81 between Bristol and Abingdon. Crosses I-81, I-77, I-85, and I-95 along its path and picks up traffic volumes heading east, though doesn't really spike above 20,000 AADT until around Courtland / Franklin.

Largely serves as a divided highway between I-77 and Hampton Roads serving local communities and a couple medium sized cities such as Danville along its path, with through traffic largely using I-81 and I-64 for cross-state travel. It does serve as the main outlet from I-85 and I-95 from the south to Hampton Roads on the eastern portion, though even then doesn't see the large numbers that I-64 sees coming into Hampton Roads from the northwest.

The only "dramatic contrast" portion would be on the eastern tip in Hampton Roads where it becomes a major freeway around Suffolk and towards I-64 (though with a few intersections remaining so not technically "freeway" but 60 mph expressway), then into a local 2 to 8 lane roadway paralleled by I-264 through Portsmouth, Norfolk, and Virginia Beach.

I suppose it could work.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: jmacswimmer on August 10, 2020, 09:37:40 AM
I-270 in MD goes from this (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.11296,-77.1898028,3a,75y,322.44h,86.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-VfF7BX_YME05lh5bmcFAg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) to this (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2398123,-77.2916167,3a,75y,325.22h,89.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3QpCeegq_vXeOTq1ykIqPg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) in the span of 10 miles - Still a heavily-used commuter route throughout, but how quickly it shrinks from a 12-lane local-express setup to a 4-lane freeway is really something (something that urgently needs correcting, FWIW!).

That said, I think the best example in MD is US 50.  Briefly cuts thru rural, mountainous Garrett County (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3024837,-79.4464566,3a,75y,145.96h,85.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJEd1DPlbzHHB85aTwqRUaQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664!5m1!1e1?hl=en) in the panhandle, then after passing thru WV VA & DC, returns to MD as a busy commuter route and passes thru this large turbine interchange with the Capital Beltway (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9451706,-76.86085,3a,75y,87.59h,88.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssVDG6AWBhQT_kU1NvnLjSg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).  US 50 then continues to Annapolis with unsigned I-595 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9707091,-76.6235874,3a,75y,54.99h,82.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWmTrxbqdFvoDyQx_RbY9ig!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) along for the ride, hitting some of Annapolis suburbia (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.986798,-76.5326734,3a,75y,80.79h,89.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKsJMXLKz6aso3fPY8WdpKg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), before passing over a certain well-known bridge (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.001539,-76.3999362,3a,75y,140.88h,84.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgzIqp7AiOZ_jv9WFqvTPUQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) and becoming the primary beach route.  US 50 then continues across the Delmarva Peninsula as a mostly at-grade expressway (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.883229,-76.0615226,3a,75y,196.41h,86.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAw54KQPDrjAH0pSGtTKByw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en), passing directly thru Cambridge (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5647145,-76.0656339,3a,75y,199.22h,82.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLHyUEDaD553Po84Dw3gC6A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) and bypassing Salisbury as a freeway (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3985683,-75.5723505,3a,75y,158.05h,88.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9VzDuag1DcUaoqXJmTFNFQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), before finally arriving in Ocean City (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3324482,-75.0910921,3a,75y,108.42h,89.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQeXLS2oN8yVmU_WJSWTgmQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on August 10, 2020, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: debragga on August 09, 2020, 02:40:41 PM
US-67 in Texas goes from being a rural 2-lane road in West Texas to being multiplexed with the busy I-35E and I-30 freeways in Dallas.

LA-1 in Louisiana is a rural 2-lane road in most of the state, but is one of the main north-south arteries in Shreveport.

Also SH 114.  It "enters" Texas (from New Mexico 114) as a dusty panhandle two lane road, and with the help of some multiplexes and the Lubbock area, it graduates to a 4 lane and expressway highway, then it goes back to a 2 lane highway.  When it's all said and done, it finishes it's life as the John Carpenter Freeway and a major freeway link between Dallas and Ft Worth.

Also US 90.  From it's western terminus in Van Horn to Marfa, it's a West Texas lonely 2 lane highway that you could literally lay down in the middle of for several minutes without feeling like you would get flattened.  When it reaches San Antonio, it is a full fledged interstate grade freeway. 
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on August 10, 2020, 10:26:49 AM
i feel like the desert, is pretty in its own way..

i've been through nv once, on I-80, and what impressed me was how far out in the middle of nowhere stuff is.. i mean, in kansas you can see farmhouse lights in the distance at night.. on i-80, not so much.

Quote from: gonealookin on August 09, 2020, 10:54:27 PM
Not a lot of good candidates in Nevada so I suppose I'll settle for US 95.  Urban freeway and high speed expressway in the south and also coincides with Interstate 80 for some distance in the north.  The rest is two-lane road with AADT not much more than 2000 in some areas, generally near Tonopah in the central part of the state.  None of it goes through mountains though and the only short stretch that's the least bit winding is the few miles alongside Walker Lake just north of Hawthorne.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: frankenroad on August 10, 2020, 10:59:29 AM
I'd also nominate US-50 in Ohio, which goes from an urban freeway in downtown Cincinnati, to a parkway to a 2-lane road through much of the rest of the state. 

But I agree with the earlier poster who mentioned OH-315 because the whole route is not that long (maybe 25 miles) and the change is very sudden.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: hbelkins on August 10, 2020, 12:21:50 PM
US 60 in Kentucky.

Full freeway around Owensboro, urban thoroughfare in Lexington and Louisville, narrow curvy two-lane for the most part between Mt. Sterling and the Ashland area.

US 50 in West Virginia. Full freeway at Parkersburg and Clarksburg, mountainous two-lane east of Clarksburg/Bridgeport.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: TEG24601 on August 10, 2020, 12:32:28 PM
US 12 in WA - From the tide flats of the Pacific Ocean, through the western steppe, through the south end of the Puget Sound Basin, over the Cascade mountains, then through the high desert of Washington, and then into the fertile valleys if Idaho.  From one-way couplets at US 101, to rural expressway, to 2-lane road, to 6 Lane Interstate Freeway, to 2-lane road again, more Freeway, 2-lane road, and more couplets.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: GaryA on August 10, 2020, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 09, 2020, 11:15:03 AM
CA 4 goes from far flung one lane seasonal mountain pass to a levee bound highways in the Sacramento River Delta before becoming a major urban freeway near the Carquinez Strait.  The historic extent of CA 2 would probably be the only real contender given current CA 173 and it's dirt segment were part of the highway.  CA 1 doesn't quite go down to the level of CA 4 over Ebbetts Pass but it highly contrasts from rural coast road to urban freeway in places like Monterey and the San Francisco Peninsula.

CA 33 might also be a contender here, going from a freeway to a mountain highway, then in the Central Valley going past oil fields, scrubland, cattle ranches, and farmland.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: 74/171FAN on August 10, 2020, 01:01:18 PM
I would pick US 6 for Pennsylvania.  What is mostly a two-lane country road (with the exception of Meadville where it has a four-lane section concurrent with US 19 and US 322 and the US 62 concurrency) becomes a four-lane arterial (minus Clarks Summit proper) concurrent with US 11 then a freeway concurrent with I-81 before having its own freeway segment on the Carbondale Bypass.  Then it goes back to a two-lane country road as it parallels I-84.

When it comes to PA State Routes, I would pick PA 114.  Its western part from PA 944 to PA 641 in Mechanicsburg is a major route (being expressway from PA 944 to US 11, including a 4-lane section with a 55 mph speed limit).  East of US 15, it is a windy route that I really wonder if it should even exist even as it connects to I-83 (just south of the I-76/PA Turnpike Interchange) and the Capital City Airport.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: 6a on August 10, 2020, 04:16:20 PM
Can we add provinces? I'd nominate 401 in Ontario. 4 lane rural freeway outside of Windsor to however the hell many lanes in Toronto.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: skluth on August 10, 2020, 04:46:09 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on August 09, 2020, 09:00:21 PM
MO-21. Starting at Arkansas Route 115, the majority of 21 is a two-lane winding road through (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.571944,-90.8786166,3a,89.8y,334.89h,94.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8iPp3h_T8v-XkFj9Fko1Gg!2e0!7i3328!8i1664/) the (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.2110966,-90.9490777,3a,75y,324.45h,83.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbQx3nHL8FbDwLhaelO1G0w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656/) Ozarks (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.1085707,-90.6164054,3a,63.4y,246.96h,88.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soAwDgt7QNT1NJKPQoaoPFw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656/) that then blossoms to 2000s-constructed four-lane expressway (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3360149,-90.5070689,3a,75y,162.72h,88.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1so-gkYvd-zj_Gz4jO2wtZuQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656/) from Hillsboro to the Meramec River/141. The latter section was constructed to replace the rather dangerous Old Route 21 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3891288,-90.4978259,3a,75y,228.94h,70.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syuQBaTF4HWIahsoQmzlsdw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656/), nicknamed Blood Alley, which still flirts with the expressway on its original routing. It has long been proposed to expand the expressway from its current stub (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.2311867,-90.5786345,3515m/data=!3m1!1e3/) in Hillsboro further south to DeSoto, but nothing has come to fruition. MO-21 crosses 270 and enters STL suburbia as Tesson Ferry Rd, with a rather unceremonious ending at MO 30-Gravois Rd (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5499663,-90.3328414,3a,23.1y,15.75h,88.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sb7yf2Po_qOSeIa78Ko5trQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192/) in Affton.

MO 21 definitely has contrasts, but I think MO 7 has more. It's a dangerous winding rural road through the Ozarks from its SE terminus (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.779679,-92.3189743,14.53z?hl=en) as a rural I-44 exit near Fort Leonard Wood to expressway in its concurrency with MO 5 through Camdenton (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0017214,-92.7241647,11.28z?hl=en) then back to winding two-lane rural road (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.2708539,-93.507744,11.69z) to Clinton to the primary road on an expressway (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.4983014,-94.0824455,10.53z?hl=en) to Harrisonville to a flatland rural road (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.8422581,-94.2497415,12.94z) though farm fields to the main N-S axis in Blue Spring (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.008571,-94.270883,2102m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en)s to its exurban/rural north terminus (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1354747,-94.291071,15.29z?hl=en) at the US 24 expressway interchange.

I know MO 21 also has another stretch of expressway concurrent with US 60 (I've driven it a few times), most of the MO 21 traffic is headed to US 60 while the MO 5/MO 7 concurrency has a lot of traffic on each end but little traffic on either road goes much beyond the Camdenton expressway; most of the traffic originates from US 54 through Lake of the Ozarks and MO 5 is nominally the main road. I could also make arguments for MO 13, MO 94, MO 100, US 169, and especially US 61. I've driven all of MO 94 (one of my favorite state drives west of St Chuck) and MO 100 and almost all of US 61 in MO. I'd say every one has more extremes than MO 21, though it definitely has its contrasts.

I've been to Johnson's Shut-Ins a few times and my ex's sister lived just outside De Soto, so I've driven MO 21 several times back when I lived in St Louis. I was happy when I found out that it's easier to drive to Taum Sauk via US 67 and cutting over from Park Hills or Farmington.

Off-topic, but I do wish they'd complete US 50 as an expressway across the state. It would pull a ton of traffic off I-70, especially from those going from South City and South County to the Lake or State Fair. I used it for that even though it's a crappy two lane road west of Union until almost Jeff City. It's actually a pretty good alternate even going all the way across the state to KC when I-70 has a construction headaches, especially on holiday weekends (except during the MO State Fair).
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: doorknob60 on August 10, 2020, 05:26:09 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on August 09, 2020, 03:26:08 PM
Quote from: I-55 on August 09, 2020, 10:50:48 AM
US-33 and US-35 in Ohio go from two lane roads going through small towns on the western side of the state to being expressways and interstate grade facilities through the mountains of eastern Ohio.

US-30 is the inverse, it is a two lane mountain road in the east and becomes the only at grade route (other than US-33) to have a 70 mph speed limit east of the Mississippi in the plains of west Ohio.

I think top honors in Ohio go to OH-315, which is a six-lane urban freeway within the Columbus beltway and a rural two-lane road between the beltway and its northern terminus with US-23 in Delaware.

That was the first thing that came to mind, I just drove that on Wednesday. And the transition between semi-rural and urban is fast, that's the most dramatic part.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: froggie on August 10, 2020, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 09, 2020, 12:30:25 PM
In Minnesota it's probably MN 65, originating in the heart of downtown Minneapolis at the south end, while near the north end parts of the route weren't paved until 2000.

There was about a 7 year period in the 1990s where MN 65 had both freeway (Cambridge bypass) and unpaved (Nett Lake).
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: hobsini2 on August 10, 2020, 07:44:29 PM
83 is good in Illinois but I think 53 is better.

Starts at Gardner as a 2 lane country road until Wilmington. 4 lane divided highway from Wilimington to I-80 in Joliet. 4 lane street and one way streets in Joliet. 4 lane road through Romeoville, Bolingbrook (6 lane at I-55), Woodridge and Lisle. 2 Lane road though the Morton Arboretum and unicorp Glen Ellyn and Lombard. 4 lane Divided/undivided highway again from North Ave to and on Biesterfield Rd before joining I-290. One 290, it is 8-10 lanes up to Kirchoff Rd before going to 6 lanes to Dundee Rd. Exiting at Dundee then going up Hicks Rd as a 2 lane road before ending at Route 83.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: sparker on August 11, 2020, 04:53:17 AM
Another good one is CA 78, which starts out as a major commuter freeway at I-5 between Carlsbad and Oceanside, becomes a series of city streets in Escondido, a rural highway through farm and ranch land out to Ramona, a mountain highway through Julian and continuing as such into the Anza-Borrego Park, where the surroundings rapidly change to desert.  From there it remains a desert highway; first as a 2-lane descent from the park to CA 86, then an expressway and conventional divided highway multiplexed with 86, then as a 2-lane expressway -- with occasional interchanges -- out to CA 111, then as a rural highway across Imperial Valley farmlands before abruptly changing to a desert arterial plowing through sand dunes near Glamis, then a typical desert 2-lane road gradually turning northward toward the Palo Verde Valley, at which point it becomes an archetypal farmland highway to its terminus at I-10 near Blythe.  And it manages to essentially cross the entire state in the process; it runs adjacent to the AZ state line along the Colorado River just south of Palo Verde.  Very few CA state highways have this type of variance in both population and territory served.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: DandyDan on August 11, 2020, 06:32:45 AM
I have to believe in Iowa, it's US 218. It bounces around from 4 lane urban arterial to expressway to freeway, including overlapping I-380, to rural 2-lane highway. The transition from one road type to another is often swift.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on August 11, 2020, 08:11:45 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 10, 2020, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: debragga on August 09, 2020, 02:40:41 PM
US-67 in Texas goes from being a rural 2-lane road in West Texas to being multiplexed with the busy I-35E and I-30 freeways in Dallas.

LA-1 in Louisiana is a rural 2-lane road in most of the state, but is one of the main north-south arteries in Shreveport.

Also SH 114.  It "enters" Texas (from New Mexico 114) as a dusty panhandle two lane road, and with the help of some multiplexes and the Lubbock area, it graduates to a 4 lane and expressway highway, then it goes back to a 2 lane highway.  When it's all said and done, it finishes it's life as the John Carpenter Freeway and a major freeway link between Dallas and Ft Worth.

Also US 90.  From it's western terminus in Van Horn to Marfa, it's a West Texas lonely 2 lane highway that you could literally lay down in the middle of for several minutes without feeling like you would get flattened.  When it reaches San Antonio, it is a full fledged interstate grade freeway.

US-90 in Texas:

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.9236234,-104.809291,3a,60y,178.34h,78.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sllNWs81CRl8v7OwA5kbOCA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.9236234,-104.809291,3a,60y,178.34h,78.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sllNWs81CRl8v7OwA5kbOCA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.404212,-98.5525207,3a,75y,103.02h,88.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXUXXJW9Y6oIqOaodRpYrIg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.404212,-98.5525207,3a,75y,103.02h,88.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXUXXJW9Y6oIqOaodRpYrIg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Rothman on August 11, 2020, 11:07:45 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on August 09, 2020, 02:14:07 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 09, 2020, 12:45:39 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 09, 2020, 12:39:29 PM
In Massachusetts, probably MA 2.

MA 2 is still major in western Massachusetts, even though it's a surface road. What about MA 140? (I briefly considered 57 and 79, but they're minor freeways, making the contrast less.)

MA 9. It's relatively unimportant in western Mass, but east of Worcester is a 4-6 lane roadway all the way into Boston.
Pfft.  MA-9 is just as "major" as MA-2 is in western MA, connecting Amherst/Hadley/Northampton to Dalton/Pittsfield through the hilltowns.

MA-2 is a large, limited access freeway in eastern MA that eventually becomes a dinky rural road, especially its Taconic Trail section.  That's a wider spectum than MA-9.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: jakeroot on August 11, 2020, 11:43:49 PM
Quote from: TEG24601 on August 10, 2020, 12:32:28 PM
US 12 in WA - From the tide flats of the Pacific Ocean, through the western steppe, through the south end of the Puget Sound Basin, over the Cascade mountains, then through the high desert of Washington, and then into the fertile valleys if Idaho.  From one-way couplets at US 101, to rural expressway, to 2-lane road, to 6 Lane Interstate Freeway, to 2-lane road again, more Freeway, 2-lane road, and more couplets.

This is definitely a good one. WA-240 might also be a contender. Totally dead through the deserts of Eastern WA, before becoming a major freeway through Richland and Kennewick. Goes from 2600 AADT to 76000 AADT.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Sctvhound on August 12, 2020, 12:03:28 AM
In SC: SC 61. Goes from a pretty non-descript 2 lane road, starting at just 850 AADT in Bamberg County, not connecting very much except for an I-95 exit, then goes up to 3K in Colleton County, goes through Dorchester County serving some of Charleston's exurban suburbs as a 2-lane, then connects the plantations (Magnolia Plantation, Drayton Hall, and Middleton Place) as a crowded 2-lane strip.

Then you get into West Ashley and it becomes a major arterial, peaking at over 50K AADT just west of downtown Charleston.

US 52 is another one. In about 10 miles it goes from a little-used, forgotten artery through the neck area of Charleston, to being a major connection for North Charleston's shopping. Once you get past Moncks Corner, it is a little-used mostly local route. But south of there it is one of the major highways in the region.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Road Hog on August 12, 2020, 01:04:21 AM
SH 121 in Texas starts out as a major freeway in NE Fort Worth, continues northeast as the frontage roads of the Sam Rayburn Tollway, multiplexes with US 75 through McKinney and winds up as a pissant road with no shoulders teeing out with an FM road between Bonham and Ivanhoe.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 12, 2020, 01:11:00 AM
For New Mexico I'll give a plug for US 70.  US 70 starts as a two lane highway, multiplexes I-10, is a major surface street in Las Cruces, is a one of the few non-Interstate Freeways in the State east of Las Cruces, passes by a National Park in White Sands, crosses the Sierra Blanca Mountains, and ends leaving the state in plains east of Roswell. 
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Gnutella on August 12, 2020, 01:11:17 AM
Driving I-75 in Georgia is pretty interesting.


Florida state line (MM 0) to Tifton (MM 63): Flat and swampy

Tifton (MM 63) to Unadilla (MM 122): Rolling hills and farmland

Unadilla (MM 122) to Locust Grove (MM 212): Verdant with choppy terrain

Locust Grove (MM 212) to Kennesaw (MM 269): Urban chaos

Kennesaw (MM 269) to Tennessee state line (MM 355): Mountainous
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: KCRoadFan on August 12, 2020, 01:16:30 AM
Quote from: Gnutella on August 12, 2020, 01:11:17 AM
Driving I-75 in Georgia is pretty interesting.


Florida state line (MM 0) to Tifton (MM 63): Flat and swampy

Tifton (MM 63) to Unadilla (MM 122): Rolling hills and farmland

Unadilla (MM 122) to Locust Grove (MM 212): Verdant with choppy terrain

Locust Grove (MM 212) to Kennesaw (MM 269): Urban chaos

Kennesaw (MM 269) to Tennessee state line (MM 355): Mountainous

And I'm guessing the common thread that ties all these sections together is Waffle Houses at almost every major exit. At least, that's what I've heard about Georgia.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Gnutella on August 12, 2020, 01:50:36 AM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on August 12, 2020, 01:16:30 AM
Quote from: Gnutella on August 12, 2020, 01:11:17 AM
Driving I-75 in Georgia is pretty interesting.


Florida state line (MM 0) to Tifton (MM 63): Flat and swampy

Tifton (MM 63) to Unadilla (MM 122): Rolling hills and farmland

Unadilla (MM 122) to Locust Grove (MM 212): Verdant with choppy terrain

Locust Grove (MM 212) to Kennesaw (MM 269): Urban chaos

Kennesaw (MM 269) to Tennessee state line (MM 355): Mountainous

And I'm guessing the common thread that ties all these sections together is Waffle Houses at almost every major exit. At least, that's what I've heard about Georgia.

Some busy interchanges even have Waffle Houses on both sides.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Kulerage on August 12, 2020, 02:29:04 AM
For North Carolina I nominate US 64. When you run for 604 miles, you're bound to get some variety.

In the western mountains alone, you can go from occasional expressway with many roads around you to extremely sparsely-populated areas where you're down to undivided two lane road. Things pick up a bit around I-26, and we begin to reach the peak east of Asheboro, where we get non-stop expressway until US 1. Here we join interstates, and even get a Future I-87 corridor designated along the road until Williamston, where things cool down quickly. Now you're going through swampy coastal areas where we're back down to 2 lanes and there's virtually no civilization outside of some small towns. Even it's eastern terminus is a pretty small town.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: CtrlAltDel on August 12, 2020, 03:07:26 AM
I nominate CA-23. It's not an especially long route, less than 40 miles, but it does go from a winding two-lane road in the Santa Monica mountains to a six-lane freeway before returning to two lanes to travel through farm country.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: epzik8 on August 12, 2020, 07:15:06 AM
I-70 in Maryland somewhat. Three to two lanes, plateau to mountains.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Mccojm on August 12, 2020, 08:50:41 AM
Some examples of ny routes on Long Island

NY-27:
Urban expressway at interchange with I-278 Gowanas Expwy in Brooklyn to rural 2 lane road with dead end loop around at montauk point light house some 120 miles to the East.

NY-25:
Queensboro bridge in Manhattan as an urban Hwy and terminates as a quiet rural 2 lane road in orient point at ferry terminal for the orient- new London ferry.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: hbelkins on August 12, 2020, 11:14:49 AM
So, are we talking about scenery and terrain, or type of road?

Because if we're talking about the former, I'm changing my Kentucky example from US 60 to KY 80. Starts in the Purchase area, crosses the two big lakes in the western part of the state, runs through the Pennyroyal (Pennyrile) region, skirts the Outer Bluegrass and the Knobs, and then becomes very mountainous.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: JayhawkCO on August 12, 2020, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 12, 2020, 11:14:49 AM
So, are we talking about scenery and terrain, or type of road?

Because if we're talking about the former, I'm changing my Kentucky example from US 60 to KY 80. Starts in the Purchase area, crosses the two big lakes in the western part of the state, runs through the Pennyroyal (Pennyrile) region, skirts the Outer Bluegrass and the Knobs, and then becomes very mountainous.

For me, I take it as a combination of both.  My selection for my state (I-70) obviously gains some lanes in Denver and a bunch of congestion compared to the plains to the east, but it's also stick straight for portions out east and the opposite thereof for most of the western portions.  I think some states that don't vary that much geographically would need to stick to more "road-specific" criteria.

Chris
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Kulerage on August 13, 2020, 03:22:42 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 12, 2020, 11:14:49 AM
So, are we talking about scenery and terrain, or type of road?

Because if we're talking about the former, I'm changing my Kentucky example from US 60 to KY 80. Starts in the Purchase area, crosses the two big lakes in the western part of the state, runs through the Pennyroyal (Pennyrile) region, skirts the Outer Bluegrass and the Knobs, and then becomes very mountainous.
I also took it as both.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Eth on August 13, 2020, 06:46:11 PM
For Georgia, I submit US 19:
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Stephane Dumas on August 13, 2020, 07:38:06 PM
Quote from: 6a on August 10, 2020, 04:16:20 PM
Can we add provinces? I'd nominate 401 in Ontario. 4 lane rural freeway outside of Windsor to however the hell many lanes in Toronto.

In Quebec, PQ-138 is a two-lane road but became a crowded arterial at Chateaugay, a freeway spanning the St.Lawrence River, a important street in Montreal and Trois-Rivieres, a big throughfare east of Quebec City to Ste-Anne-de-Beaupré and main road to Charlevoix area and the North Shore. 
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: StogieGuy7 on August 14, 2020, 01:50:09 PM
Numerous contenders in my mind, but I'll stick with major routes (out of laziness) that have huge contrasts. 

First one that comes to mind is I-70 across Colorado: goes from the plains near Burlington, through the urban sprawl of metro Denver, then up over (well, through) the Continental Divide with high mountain scenery, and then wanders slowly downward through Glenwood Canyon and into the Colorado Plateau (desert/red rock) scenery of the Western Slope.  Pretty major contrast there.

Two others that are pretty obvious if you think about it:

Texas and I-10: you go from tall pine forests, swampland and the deep south/Gulf Coast area all the way to the basin and range country of the Chihuahuan Desert in far west Texas.  That's a major contrast, with large cities like Houston/San Antonio and the Texas hill country in between.

Finally California and either I-5 or US-101.  I-5 from San Ysidro and the border with semi arid desert scenery, the LA Basin, the mountains, then through the flatness of the Central Valley, into the forested mountains north of Redding and by Mount Shasta.  US-101 was better before it was truncated, but still LA to the redwood forests of Del Norte County with the Bay Area and another 700 miles in between.  For a shorter distance, I-80 is another candidate - contrast Truckee and Donner Summit with the Bay Bridge. 

But most states will feature some contrasts from one end to another.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on August 14, 2020, 02:06:02 PM
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on August 14, 2020, 01:50:09 PM

Texas and I-10: you go from tall pine forests, swampland and the deep south/Gulf Coast area all the way to the basin and range country of the Chihuahuan Desert in far west Texas.  That's a major contrast, with large cities like Houston/San Antonio and the Texas hill country in between.

Agreed, also being in west Texas with very low traffic counts east of the I-20 split to Houston and one of the widest freeways in the world. 
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: Occidental Tourist on August 15, 2020, 02:40:49 AM
I vote for CA 41.  Has contrasting features, starting as a two-lane at the beach, turning into a freeway, and then back into a two-lane when it ends in Yosemite.  It sees a beach climate, a foothill climate, the semi-desert climate of the southern Central Valley, and then snow and other mountain weather when it gets into the eastern part of the Sierras.
Title: Re: Most dramatic contrasts on a single route in a single state
Post by: kurumi on August 15, 2020, 01:45:53 PM
I-95 in CT is a good choice, but I'll nominate CT 20. From small to big:

"You probably want the other Route 20", Colebrook: https://goo.gl/maps/35GCAJiJh2esDY73A

Quaint New England charm, Riverton: https://goo.gl/maps/4sCfstoRsA9pgYgB8

The lowest AADT of any state route intersection in CT, Hartland: https://goo.gl/maps/VunfKTmby8v52N3c9 (old CT 20 continues straight)

Google Street View just straight up stopped filming here, Hartland: https://goo.gl/maps/PmBa1aN1Y1KccuMy6

State's largest Sine Salad, Granby: https://goo.gl/maps/j4oZTKqGRe2xVNxK7

4-lane divided highway, E. Granby: https://goo.gl/maps/RUM62VgJdvbLAy9U6

Airport: https://goo.gl/maps/nde3YKLYpJC36CEc9

Bigshot freeway: https://goo.gl/maps/HCFogsFtckpJicU56