Recently, I was thinking about the many examples of state routes with numbers that derive from or allude to the US routes that they replaced. Such numbers tend to fall in one of two main categories - one being former alignments of extant US routes. Examples that readily come to mind are the 100-series highways in Mississippi, which are designated whenever the US route bypasses a town, as well as roads in Missouri such as MO 367 and MO 350, which are former alignments of US 67 north of St. Louis and US 50 east of KC, respectively. Also in Missouri, the former alignment of US 24 through Lexington is designated MO 224.
The other category is roads that serve as "successor highways" for decommissioned or truncated US routes. Examples of these include state routes numbered 66 in Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Arizona, and California, which were assigned to parts of US 66; in addition, MO 366 was assigned to Watson Road, which once carried US 66 through the St. Louis area. In a similar vein, state routes numbered 99 in California, Oregon, and Washington were designated along the path of former US 99. Also, Minnesota and Wisconsin have state highways numbered 16, which were assigned to parts of former US 16 after it was decommissioned in those states; in addition, Highways 61 and 65 in Minnesota were designated after the US routes of the same number were truncated in that state.
Aside from the aforementioned, what other examples are there of state highways whose numbers derive from, or allude to, those of the US routes they replaced?
MN 65 both was and wasn't a downgraded US 65. MN 65 and US 65 changed over at Washington Avenue in Minneapolis (old US 12/52), with MN 65 being extended south to I-35W when US 65 was eliminated, though MN 65 is no longer continuous as the section between the end of the downtown freeway spur and Washington Ave was turned back.
For a year in the mid-30s US 65 was allegedly extended north to US 2, but AASHO "retroactively declined" the extension as unnecessary and it went back to MN 65 within a couple years. In any case whether a reader thinks that counts as being US 65 or not (it was likely never signed) the section of MN 65 north of US 2 was still never US 65.
We also have:
MN 371
MN 210 (which extends further than its US counterpart did on both ends)
former MN 361
it's *possible* part of MN 55 southeast of Minneapolis was old US 55
More MO ones:
MO 266, 571, 413, and of course, 66.
maybe 765?
CA 99
DE 202 as a former alignment of US 202
PA 611
MD 140
CT 66 is sort of a reflection of the former alignment of US 6A
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 15, 2020, 11:24:45 PM
Washington Avenue in Minneapolis (old US 12/52)
In the spirit of this thread - perhaps is that why Washington Avenue is designated as County Road 152? Because, numerically speaking, that would make a lot of sense.
CA-60 reflects the original alignment of US-60 before I-10 took over most of its alignment west of Phoenix. It is a major east-west freeway parallel to I-10 in the Los Angeles metropolitan area.
CA 299, CA 66, CA 91, and CA 60 also for California. Arguably CA 46 is a reference to US 466. AZ 89 and 89A were US 89 and 89A. AZ 80/NM 80 were part of US 80, AZ 66 was US 66. AZ 180A was once US 180.
Not "former" US routes but...
I-74, I-41 :bigass:
IL 54 used to be part of US 54
Washington's SR 410 is a small segment of former US 410 (with the remainder becoming parts of other highways -- mostly US 12).
VA 360
MD 222
MD 213
PA 120
PA 309
NY 104
KY 227
IA 163
TX 75
OH 21
OH 25
M-25
M-27
M-10
KS 383
MN 16
WI 16
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 16, 2020, 07:03:07 AM
VA 360
MD 222
MD 213
PA 120
PA 309
NY 104
KY 227
IA 163
TX 75
OH 21
OH 25
M-25
M-27
M-10
KS 383
MN 16
WI 16
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 15, 2020, 11:50:35 PM
DE 202 as a former alignment of US 202
PA 611
MD 140
CT 66 is sort of a reflection of the former alignment of US 6A
In Pennsylvania, also PA 106 and PA 706 (for sections of US 106) and PA 230.
IN 152 used to be part of US 152.
The now-decommissioned IN 112 used to be part of IN 112.
VA 158 used to be part of US 58 ALT.
IN 933 used to be US 33 through South Bend and Mishawaka before US 33 was truncated to Elkhart.
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 16, 2020, 08:56:41 AM
IN 933 used to be US 33 through South Bend and Mishawaka before US 33 was truncated to Elkhart.
I guess I was just looking at exact matches, but yes, 930, 931 and 933 are all former routings of US highways. I haven't been able to find any evidence that US 12 ever traveled any part of IN 912.
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 16, 2020, 07:03:07 AM
M-25
M-27
M-10
M-125 (another section of former US-25)
M-227 (at least the north-south portion of it; another section of former US-27)
IL 38 was once Alternate US Route 30, or US 30A (sound it out).
The numbering was probably just a coincidence, though. I don't think the US Route was ever signed as 30A, just Alt. US 30.
PA 120.
CA, OR, WA 99.
I previously thought UT 30 was at least in part a former alignment of US 30S, but nope.
OK 270 is old US 270.
Part of OK 266 is old US 66.
OK 166 is a reference to US 66 as well.
K-383 is old US 283.
Quote from: KCRoadFan on August 15, 2020, 11:54:07 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 15, 2020, 11:24:45 PM
Washington Avenue in Minneapolis (old US 12/52)
In the spirit of this thread - perhaps is that why Washington Avenue is designated as County Road 152? Because, numerically speaking, that would make a lot of sense.
That's likely related to former MN 152, which was the route from Minneapolis to St. Cloud before I-94 was built (US 52 was paired with US 10 on the north side of the river during that time, and shifted to I-94 for continuity later), although some of modern County 152 extends beyond that route's length, such as the Cedar Avenue section.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on August 16, 2020, 02:41:54 PM
I previously thought UT 30 was at least in part a former alignment of US 30S, but nope.
Part of it actually was - until US 30S was decommissioned in 1970, the segment of SR 30 between Curlew Junction and Tremonton was concurrent with US 30S. SR 30 has now been moved onto I-84 and it's questionable whether it even exists over its concurrencies with I-84/I-15/US 89, but the part between Curlew Junction and Snowville is in fact an old alignment of 30S.
Utah had apparently tried multiple times in the 1950s to add the corridor from Tremonton, UT to Sage, WY to the US route system - variously proposed as US 30, 330, and even 30C. All those proposals got hung up at some point, probably either because AASHTO rejected them or Utah couldn't get Wyoming to go along with them. At any rate, in the 1960s Utah created a State Route 30 along that Sage-Tremonton corridor, and to justify the number, the route was extended further west over SR 70 to what was then Nevada SR 30 towards Montello. Of course, Nevada's SR 30 was changed to 233 in a major 1978 renumbering.
WI-16 and WI-110.
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 16, 2020, 12:17:27 AM
CA-60 reflects the original alignment of US-60 before I-10 took over most of its alignment west of Phoenix. It is a major east-west freeway parallel to I-10 in the Los Angeles metropolitan area.
Isn't CA-60 technically on a previous alignment of CA-26 and I-10 San Bernardino Freeway is on a previous alignment on US-60 and US-70. Remember at the time of the west end of I-10's construction there was a proposed idea that the Santa Monica Freeway was going to be part of CA-26 prior to becoming a part of I-10.
There is also a CA-10 between US-101 to I-10 at the East LA interchange.
CO36 and CO40.
Chris
Quote from: bing101 on August 16, 2020, 07:08:39 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 16, 2020, 12:17:27 AM
CA-60 reflects the original alignment of US-60 before I-10 took over most of its alignment west of Phoenix. It is a major east-west freeway parallel to I-10 in the Los Angeles metropolitan area.
Isn't CA-60 technically on a previous alignment of CA-26 and I-10 San Bernardino Freeway is on a previous alignment on US-60 and US-70. Remember at the time of the west end of I-10's construction there was a proposed idea that the Santa Monica Freeway was going to be part of CA-26 prior to becoming a part of I-10.
There is also a CA-10 between US-101 to I-10 at the East LA interchange.
But out in the Moreno Valley Badlands it definitely is on the alignment of US 60. There is even a US 60 shield from I-10 west which is cover plated by a CA 60 shield. Either none of CA 60 utilizes any of the original alignment of US 60, that was all surface highway by the time it made it to California.
WA 410/US 410.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 16, 2020, 08:16:43 AM
The now-decommissioned IN 112 used to be part of US 112.
Made better.
The section of IA 163 east of Des Moines to Oskaloosa used to be US 163, and US 63 before that. The hidden designation for the old US 6 going east to I-80 from downtown Council Bluffs is IA 906.
There's an almost answer as well.
UT 162 was supposed to be an eastward extension of US163. It was initially signed as UT163. When that fell through, they lowered the number by one to avoid confusion.
Chris
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 15, 2020, 11:24:45 PM
it's *possible* part of MN 55 southeast of Minneapolis was old US 55
I don't think this is was the case (neither does Steve Riner (http://www.steve-riner.com/mnhighways/r51-75.htm#55)). US 55 came up Lyndale from the south from Lakeville.
For Ohio:
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 16, 2020, 07:03:07 AM
OH 21
OH 25
OH 309
OH 430
OH 435
former OH 440, which was once and now is again US 40
OH 527
OH 550
OH 821
OH 833
For West Virginia:
WV 152
WV 527
WV 211, which was a pre-bypass alignment of the now-truncated US 21
Washington:
SR 99: the urban section of US 99 that was deemed too important to hand over to cities
SR 410: the cross-mountain section of US 410; other remaining sections are either part of US 12 or
Oregon:
OR 99/99W/99E: Obviously all bits of US 99
OR 126: Former US 126, itself former US 28
Don't forget the short WA-10 between Cle Ellum and Ellensburg, retaining the high mileage mileposts from Seattle.
Arizona: AZ 80, 89, and 89A.
In reverse, US 93 started out as AZ 93.
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on August 17, 2020, 11:00:01 PM
Arizona: AZ 80, 89, and 89A.
In reverse, US 93 started out as AZ 93.
Same with AZ 95 partially becoming US 95.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 17, 2020, 11:34:14 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on August 17, 2020, 11:00:01 PM
Arizona: AZ 80, 89, and 89A.
In reverse, US 93 started out as AZ 93.
Same with AZ 95 partially becoming US 95.
I believe it's another "reverse." The current AZ 95 was never a part of US 95 AFAIK, but the current US 95 was the southernmost leg of AZ 95 decades ago.
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on August 17, 2020, 11:50:18 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 17, 2020, 11:34:14 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on August 17, 2020, 11:00:01 PM
Arizona: AZ 80, 89, and 89A.
In reverse, US 93 started out as AZ 93.
Same with AZ 95 partially becoming US 95.
I believe it's another "reverse." The current AZ 95 was never a part of US 95 AFAIK, but the current US 95 was the southernmost leg of AZ 95 decades ago.
AZ 95 came before US 95 was extended into Arizona. AZ 95 was indeed south of Quartzsite on what is now US 95:
https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~317842~90086223:State-Farm-Road-map--Arizona,-New-M?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:arizona%20road;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=22&trs=46
I knew I forgot one in Iowa. I've been on it, too. IA 471 in western Iowa is the former route for US 71. This is the segment through Early which previously had US 20 as well.
Three county highways fit as well in Iowa. D20 east from the Moorland exit through Fort Dodge and on to Webster City was US 20. Another D20 going west from Iowa Falls to north of Williams was US 20. H34 between Hastings and Corning in SW Iowa was previously US 34
Quote from: Bitmapped on August 17, 2020, 04:28:42 PM
For West Virginia:
WV 152
WV 527
WV 211, which was a pre-bypass alignment of the now-truncated US 21
Was US 33 ever routed on what is now WV 331? Or is it a former county route (33/1, perhaps) that got promoted to primary status?
Quote from: hbelkins on August 18, 2020, 09:54:28 AM
Quote from: Bitmapped on August 17, 2020, 04:28:42 PM
For West Virginia:
WV 152
WV 527
WV 211, which was a pre-bypass alignment of the now-truncated US 21
Was US 33 ever routed on what is now WV 331? Or is it a former county route (33/1, perhaps) that got promoted to primary status?
Was US 33 from inception until late 1970s...
http://www.vahighways.com/wvannex/route-log/wv331.htm
A former example: NE 38 (or N-38), a remnant of US 38 due to its replacement route US 6 going further North across Omaha, deleted in 2003.
Quote from: US 89 on August 16, 2020, 03:39:07 PMUtah had apparently tried multiple times in the 1950s to add the corridor from Tremonton, UT to Sage, WY to the US route system - variously proposed as US 30, 330, and even 30C. All those proposals got hung up at some point, probably either because AASHTO rejected them or Utah couldn't get Wyoming to go along with them. At any rate, in the 1960s Utah created a State Route 30 along that Sage-Tremonton corridor, and to justify the number, the route was extended further west over SR 70 to what was then Nevada SR 30 towards Montello. Of course, Nevada's SR 30 was changed to 233 in a major 1978 renumbering.
Wow, US 30C would have long predated I-69C had it came through. I would have preferred US 530, as that route existed within Utah, unlike US 330.
Quote from: DandyDan on August 18, 2020, 07:34:50 AM
Three county highways fit as well in Iowa. D20 east from the Moorland exit through Fort Dodge and on to Webster City was US 20. Another D20 going west from Iowa Falls to north of Williams was US 20. H34 between Hastings and Corning in SW Iowa was previously US 34
Minnesota also has
County 52 in Clay and Wilkin Counties
County 10 in Ramsey and Anoka Counties
County 61 segments in Pine and Carlton, and St. Louis and Lake
County 14 in Steele and Waseca Counties
How about inverse. In Texas, SH-57 became US-57
Also SH-290, SH-75 and SH-81 are former US-290, US-75 and US-81 respectively. For the most part, Texas is done with the number once it is no longer a US highway.
Quote from: DandyDan on August 18, 2020, 07:34:50 AM
Three county highways fit as well in Iowa. D20 east from the Moorland exit through Fort Dodge and on to Webster City was US 20. Another D20 going west from Iowa Falls to north of Williams was US 20. H34 between Hastings and Corning in SW Iowa was previously US 34
But those only "fit" by chance. They only have those numbers because that's where they fit on the grid. Iowa county highway numbers tend to increase from north to south, beginning with 10.
Webster CH-D20 is three miles south of D14, one mile south of D18.
Hardin CH-D20 is a half-mile south of D15, three miles north of D25. Its latitude is also only one mile off from that of Webster CH-D20. This is just a matter of making multiple counties' grids more or less make sense with each other.
Mills/Montgomery/Adams CH-H34 is between H26 and H38. Now, you could probably convince me that those counties'
entire grids were based on the location of H34, but you'd have to put forward some evidence to convince me.
AR 367 is the old US 67 and AR 365 is the old US 65 before each was rerouted onto freeways.
Confusingly, AR 161 is the OLD OLD US 67 alignment south of Jacksonville, with other routings turned back either to Pulaski County or the cities of North Little Rock and Cabot. AR 367 officially starts north of the Pulaski-Lonoke county line at the AR 5 / AR 321 intersection.
IL 251 is Old US 51, created when US 51 was moved onto the I-39/US 51 Freeway
Pretty sure IL 250 in Lawrenceville is Old US 50, when US 50 was moved to the northern bypass, probably from when I-64 was to follow the US 50 corridor across Illinois
NY 15 and NY 415, both formerly US 15.
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 19, 2020, 09:11:59 PM
Pretty sure IL 250 in Lawrenceville is Old US 50, when US 50 was moved to the northern bypass, probably from when I-64 was to follow the US 50 corridor across Illinois
According to Richard Carlson...
Quote from: http://www.n9jig.com/203-up.html
IL-250 was applied in 1965 to 2 old sections of US-50 from Lawrenceville to Sumner and Olney to Noble. These routes had been Alternate-US-50 from 1947 to 1961, and unnumbered from 1962 to 1964. The section of US-50 between Sumner and Olney carries the IL-250 number as well.
Quote from: kphoger on August 19, 2020, 09:56:47 AM
Quote from: DandyDan on August 18, 2020, 07:34:50 AM
Three county highways fit as well in Iowa. D20 east from the Moorland exit through Fort Dodge and on to Webster City was US 20. Another D20 going west from Iowa Falls to north of Williams was US 20. H34 between Hastings and Corning in SW Iowa was previously US 34
But those only "fit" by chance. They only have those numbers because that's where they fit on the grid. Iowa county highway numbers tend to increase from north to south, beginning with 10.
Webster CH-D20 is three miles south of D14, one mile south of D18.
Hardin CH-D20 is a half-mile south of D15, three miles north of D25. Its latitude is also only one mile off from that of Webster CH-D20. This is just a matter of making multiple counties' grids more or less make sense with each other.
Mills/Montgomery/Adams CH-H34 is between H26 and H38. Now, you could probably convince me that those counties' entire grids were based on the location of H34, but you'd have to put forward some evidence to convince me.
It's probably true it only fits by chance. But if I had the job of assigning county road designations, given the history of those roads, I would have given the same ones that they ended up with .
MD 222 from Conowingo to Perryville, Maryland, in Cecil County, was part of US 222 until 1995. It was supposedly downgraded to discourage drivers of large trucks from traveling along the route. Conventionally, based on Maryland's state highway system, MD 222 would be in Charles County.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 18, 2020, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: DandyDan on August 18, 2020, 07:34:50 AM
Three county highways fit as well in Iowa. D20 east from the Moorland exit through Fort Dodge and on to Webster City was US 20. Another D20 going west from Iowa Falls to north of Williams was US 20. H34 between Hastings and Corning in SW Iowa was previously US 34
Minnesota also has
County 52 in Clay and Wilkin Counties
County 10 in Ramsey and Anoka Counties
County 61 segments in Pine and Carlton, and St. Louis and Lake
County 14 in Steele and Waseca Counties
Also this inception bit...
Hennepin CSAH-88...
Which used to be MN-88...
Which used to be US-8 🤣
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 16, 2020, 02:46:54 PM
OK 270 is old US 270.
Part of OK 266 is old US 66.
OK 166 is a reference to US 66 as well.
K-383 is old US 283.
OK 266 was never a part of US 66 or US 266. It crosses OK/US 66, so that might be where it got the number, but US 66 was never routed that way.
K-383 was also once US 383.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 16, 2020, 03:36:49 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on August 15, 2020, 11:54:07 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 15, 2020, 11:24:45 PM
Washington Avenue in Minneapolis (old US 12/52)
In the spirit of this thread - perhaps is that why Washington Avenue is designated as County Road 152? Because, numerically speaking, that would make a lot of sense.
That's likely related to former MN 152, which was the route from Minneapolis to St. Cloud before I-94 was built (US 52 was paired with US 10 on the north side of the river during that time, and shifted to I-94 for continuity later), although some of modern County 152 extends beyond that route's length, such as the Cedar Avenue section.
Wasn't what is now I-94/US 52 once US 10S while what is now US 10 was once US 10N?
Quote from: Road Hog on August 19, 2020, 08:16:39 PM
AR 367 is the old US 67 and AR 365 is the old US 65 before each was rerouted onto freeways.
Confusingly, AR 161 is the OLD OLD US 67 alignment south of Jacksonville, with other routings turned back either to Pulaski County or the cities of North Little Rock and Cabot. AR 367 officially starts north of the Pulaski-Lonoke county line at the AR 5 / AR 321 intersection.
AR 161 from US 70 north to Trammel Road is old US 67E, while the stretch north of Trammel was once US 67. At the intersection of Broadway and Locust in North Little Rock, US 67E followed US 70 east while US 67W turned and headed north onto Locust, east on 13th, north and east on Hills Blvd, northeast on Barbara Drive, east on Lakeview Road, north on Warden Road, east on McCain Blvd, east on Fairfax Drive, northeast on Roundtop Drive, east on Trammel Road, underneath the railroad and met US 67E at today's junction of AR 161 and Trammel Road.
Quote from: bugo on August 24, 2020, 06:41:11 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 16, 2020, 03:36:49 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on August 15, 2020, 11:54:07 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 15, 2020, 11:24:45 PM
Washington Avenue in Minneapolis (old US 12/52)
In the spirit of this thread - perhaps is that why Washington Avenue is designated as County Road 152? Because, numerically speaking, that would make a lot of sense.
That's likely related to former MN 152, which was the route from Minneapolis to St. Cloud before I-94 was built (US 52 was paired with US 10 on the north side of the river during that time, and shifted to I-94 for continuity later), although some of modern County 152 extends beyond that route's length, such as the Cedar Avenue section.
Wasn't what is now I-94/US 52 once US 10S while what is now US 10 was once US 10N?
Pre-1934, yes. But the US 10 split didn't exist south of St. Cloud. There was also no state highway between St. Cloud and Minneapolis on the west side of the river until 1934...when MN 152 was created.
Going back to the original comment, the 152 number has nothing to do with the 10/52 combination and everything to do with being a "spur" off of the then-newly-created US 52.