This was on the NE Board but wanted to post here and see if it is similiar to your state.
CT painted shields in travel lanes to so drivers know which lane to be in for which route.
http://www.ct.gov/dot/cwp/view.asp?a=2354&q=401618
Notice, the "9", it looks like it was painted in highway gothic instead of the usual font for painted letters in travel lanes. It looks pretty good!
is that an outline-shield 44?
gotta love CT's insistence on maintaining that standard.
We discussed this in a thread before...To recap:
There is an expanding number of jurisdictions that are using on-pavement route shields for better lane guidance.
The 2004 Standard Highway Signs book (the specifications for signs/markings for the 2003 MUTCD) included a layout for the colorized version of the Interstate shield pavement marking, but there was no mention of these in the MUTCD itself. The 2009 MUTCD corrects this, showing colored and outline versions of the Interstate, US route and state highway circle shields (referred to as "elongated route shields for pavement markings"). The new layouts have not yet made it into the Standard Highway Signs, which is still being revised with all the new signs/material in the new MUTCD.
Hasn't this been very common practice in much of Europe for years?
It's a good idea, nice to see it catching on.
And to throw out another instance of it: the I-87/287 junction in Elmsford had these painted in the southbound/eastbound lanes approaching the split after reconstruction of interchange was finished a couple years ago.
The ISTHA is using them now as well. Not so sure I like them. They would seem to me to be potentially slippery when wet or icy, and they would strike me as the first things to be scraped off the pavement after a snowfall.
Pretty common in Houston. Angelo is WAYYY to small to need these, I wouldn't be surprised to see them in Dallas or San Antonio...
BigMatt
I'd like to see the route markers painted on the pavement more, to let drivers know what lane goes to what route. Signage can be confusing and inconsistent. I'm glad GDOT did that with the I-75 South/Northside Drive HOV-2 exit, even though I don't think it was that confusing before, if one were paying attention.
Be well,
Bryant
There's a few of these in Missouri around St. Louis:
* SB I-55 near the split with I-44:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.612411,-90.201622&spn=0,0.006866&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=38.612262,-90.201956&panoid=hiyoiGzfH6oOoUFuPNilOw&cbp=12,95.11,,0,11.54 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.612411,-90.201622&spn=0,0.006866&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=38.612262,-90.201956&panoid=hiyoiGzfH6oOoUFuPNilOw&cbp=12,95.11,,0,11.54)
* NB I-270 near I-64:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.63077,-90.450431&spn=0,0.003433&t=k&z=19&layer=c&cbll=38.630943,-90.450413&panoid=O3cn5L3LIk4SEWBxOjqbYQ&cbp=12,179.7,,0,20.62 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.63077,-90.450431&spn=0,0.003433&t=k&z=19&layer=c&cbll=38.630943,-90.450413&panoid=O3cn5L3LIk4SEWBxOjqbYQ&cbp=12,179.7,,0,20.62)
* One on EB MO 100 just before I-270:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.601516,-90.455482&spn=0,0.006866&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=38.601508,-90.455375&panoid=LkQTGiRGRy_63rPB2x66WA&cbp=12,120.23,,0,17.02 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.601516,-90.455482&spn=0,0.006866&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=38.601508,-90.455375&panoid=LkQTGiRGRy_63rPB2x66WA&cbp=12,120.23,,0,17.02)
An extremely faded one on EB MO 100 closer to SB I-270:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.601574,-90.453835&spn=0,0.006866&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=38.601595,-90.453714&panoid=M-tg89LpCir7JYP8AQ41Nw&cbp=12,74.6,,0,19.2 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.601574,-90.453835&spn=0,0.006866&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=38.601595,-90.453714&panoid=M-tg89LpCir7JYP8AQ41Nw&cbp=12,74.6,,0,19.2)
And another worn one on EB MO 100:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.601788,-90.45295&spn=0,0.006866&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=38.601822,-90.452843&panoid=n4IrZ32I7l6gKLOCM4lk3w&cbp=12,354.51,,0,40.02 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.601788,-90.45295&spn=0,0.006866&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=38.601822,-90.452843&panoid=n4IrZ32I7l6gKLOCM4lk3w&cbp=12,354.51,,0,40.02)
Quote from: Brandon on April 27, 2010, 11:08:47 PM
The ISTHA is using them now as well. Not so sure I like them. They would seem to me to be potentially slippery when wet or icy, and they would strike me as the first things to be scraped off the pavement after a snowfall.
The pavement route shields are usually thermoplastic (same material many jurisdictions use for crosswalk bars, stop lines, and pavement word messages), although some might possibly be painted on. In any event, a snowplow shouldn't be able to scrape them up.
For that same reason of the material used, these markings should not be a major safety concern in inclement weather (provided motorists are driving properly for conditions). According to the MUTCD figure that illustrates these, the typical application is 6 feet wide by 14 feet long. The wheels of a typical car traveling in the center of the lane would maybe touch the outer edges of the marking.
Here's one from my home town...
http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=cupertino,+ca&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=38.22949,58.095703&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Cupertino,+Santa+Clara,+California&ll=37.322582,-122.051814&spn=0.000587,0.000886&t=k&z=20 (http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=cupertino,+ca&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=38.22949,58.095703&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Cupertino,+Santa+Clara,+California&ll=37.322582,-122.051814&spn=0.000587,0.000886&t=k&z=20)
I-10 in New Orleans have shields painted on the highway, but I can't recall if they have any signage painted on lanes for exits.
Quote from: golden eagle on April 28, 2010, 01:00:21 AM
I-10 in New Orleans have shields painted on the highway, but I can't recall if they have any signage painted on lanes for exits.
And on I-10 EB approaching the I-12 split in Baton Rouge.
Quote from: BigMatt on April 27, 2010, 11:24:04 PM
Pretty common in Houston. Angelo is WAYYY to small to need these, I wouldn't be surprised to see them in Dallas or San Antonio...
BigMatt
Correct, BigMatt!!! I remember i saw I-10 and I-610 shields painted onto the lanes of the Katy Fwy in the AARoads Shield gallery!
Quote from: BigMatt on April 27, 2010, 11:24:04 PM
Pretty common in Houston. Angelo is WAYYY to small to need these, I wouldn't be surprised to see them in Dallas or San Antonio...
BigMatt
Dallas does use them. I think the first time I ever saw one of those was in Dallas actually, in the early 2000's. I know the new monster High-5 interchange at LBJ and Central has them also.
What a timely topic. I was just wondering about this yesterday. ODOT used to use these in the Columbus area (or at least maintain them) more frequently than today. I'm not sure if they're getting rid of them on purpose, or just not repainting them after repaving for cost-cutting reasons. Unlike Texas, ODOT painted shields, however, were never in color...only white paint. Regardless, I found the pavement markings EXTREMELY helpful when I first moved here because we have so many single-lane exit-only configurations in the downtown area. The pavement markings are a great confirmation that you're in the correct lane without having to take your eyes off the road.
Here's some Google Map links to the paintings...they're either missing or in worse condition today.
I-70W/I-71S (Split)
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=columbus,+oh&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.418852,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Columbus,+Franklin,+Ohio&ll=39.953261,-83.008291&spn=0.002698,0.004823&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=39.953248,-83.008401&panoid=KkKpUEjInd5yvsmpvNJJOw&cbp=12,285.83,,0,24.42 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=columbus,+oh&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.418852,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Columbus,+Franklin,+Ohio&ll=39.953261,-83.008291&spn=0.002698,0.004823&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=39.953248,-83.008401&panoid=KkKpUEjInd5yvsmpvNJJOw&cbp=12,285.83,,0,24.42)
I-70E/I-71N
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=columbus,+oh&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.418852,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Columbus,+Franklin,+Ohio&ll=39.952792,-83.009868&spn=0.002714,0.004823&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=39.95276,-83.009981&panoid=eWkhiRBtGm3_jUopUWrX8g&cbp=12,76.47,,0,6.7 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=columbus,+oh&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.418852,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Columbus,+Franklin,+Ohio&ll=39.952792,-83.009868&spn=0.002714,0.004823&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=39.95276,-83.009981&panoid=eWkhiRBtGm3_jUopUWrX8g&cbp=12,76.47,,0,6.7)
I-670W
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=columbus,+oh&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.418852,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Columbus,+Franklin,+Ohio&ll=39.974039,-83.003745&spn=0.001357,0.002411&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=39.97408,-83.003647&panoid=UE5lh8jOen_zUMo5NfcmIw&cbp=12,237.39,,0,23.02 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=columbus,+oh&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.418852,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Columbus,+Franklin,+Ohio&ll=39.974039,-83.003745&spn=0.001357,0.002411&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=39.97408,-83.003647&panoid=UE5lh8jOen_zUMo5NfcmIw&cbp=12,237.39,,0,23.02)
I-670E
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=columbus,+oh&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.418852,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Columbus,+Franklin,+Ohio&ll=39.974619,-83.001902&spn=0.001357,0.002411&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=39.974665,-83.001809&panoid=QPgQmy1a9vbQo6fOH8yoTw&cbp=12,54.51,,0,29.83 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=columbus,+oh&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.418852,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Columbus,+Franklin,+Ohio&ll=39.974619,-83.001902&spn=0.001357,0.002411&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=39.974665,-83.001809&panoid=QPgQmy1a9vbQo6fOH8yoTw&cbp=12,54.51,,0,29.83)
I-70W (Prior to the Split)
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=columbus,+oh&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.418852,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Columbus,+Franklin,+Ohio&ll=39.953973,-82.971448&spn=0.002714,0.004823&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=39.953984,-82.971559&panoid=kUFzxHMVt16B-CvXP6sJGA&cbp=12,306.12,,0,31.53 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=columbus,+oh&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.418852,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Columbus,+Franklin,+Ohio&ll=39.953973,-82.971448&spn=0.002714,0.004823&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=39.953984,-82.971559&panoid=kUFzxHMVt16B-CvXP6sJGA&cbp=12,306.12,,0,31.53)
I've noticed TxDOT laying down warning sign symbols as well. I've seen the "Signal Ahead" symbol sign used several times.
I actually saw this on I-355, merging onto I-294 in Downers Grove, IL. Really good idea!
It's a little fuzzy, but here's one (http://maps.google.com/?q=04106&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=South+Portland,+Cumberland,+Maine+04106&ll=43.632515,-70.312951&spn=0.00217,0.004136&z=18&layer=c&cbll=43.632591,-70.313019&panoid=zVTobl1LQT_Mk2a3gGEwfg&cbp=12,182.09,,0,11.45) at the newly reconfigured South Portland I-295 entrance.
There's a nice example on I-70 near Wheeling that no one has mentioned yet which is surprising given that this stretch of I-70 is discussed regularly.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sabre-roads.org.uk%2Fgallery%2Falbums%2Fuserpics%2F10163%2Fnormal_i70%257E0.jpg&hash=5750cb5602459822e5fbe6dcd633e7052bcd7ff8) (http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/10163/i70~0.jpg)
Quote from: Truvelo on April 28, 2010, 02:15:12 PM
There's a nice example on I-70 near Wheeling that no one has mentioned yet which is surprising given that this stretch of I-70 is discussed regularly.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sabre-roads.org.uk%2Fgallery%2Falbums%2Fuserpics%2F10163%2Fnormal_i70%257E0.jpg&hash=5750cb5602459822e5fbe6dcd633e7052bcd7ff8)
That's because I never actually
drive I-70 through Wheeling. I take I-470, since the Wheeling tunnels are
ALWAYS under construction. Please note the orange barrels in the distance in your photo. :sombrero:
@shoptb1: On I-670 West, just past your Street View link, some of the shields are blacked out (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=columbus,+oh&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.418852,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Columbus,+Franklin,+Ohio&t=h&layer=c&cbll=39.973907,-83.004052&panoid=F9MHy4jRYrgxlhMkvOPrdg&cbp=12,235.3,,0,6.94&ll=39.973955,-83.003949&spn=0.001098,0.002642&z=19). Any idea why?
Quote from: Michael on April 28, 2010, 03:09:51 PM
@shoptb1: On I-670 West, just past your Street View link, some of the shields are blacked out (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=columbus,+oh&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.418852,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Columbus,+Franklin,+Ohio&t=h&layer=c&cbll=39.973907,-83.004052&panoid=F9MHy4jRYrgxlhMkvOPrdg&cbp=12,235.3,,0,6.94&ll=39.973955,-83.003949&spn=0.001098,0.002642&z=19). Any idea why?
No, that was one of my main comments. For some reason, ODOT is blacking these out, and I don't know why. I find these markings very helpful and I really wish that they would continue to paint them.
So here's one for you all - has anyone ever seen a painted shield with the state name? :-D
Quote from: realjd on April 28, 2010, 03:23:17 PM
So here's one for you all - has anyone ever seen a painted shield with the state name? :-D
Never heard of it.
Anyway, ODOT at one point painted the shields on SR 8, but they are beginning to chip off.
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.07064,-81.504318&spn=0,0.006899&z=17&layer=c&cbll=41.069954,-81.504303&panoid=AManWknm9zMZmt_PDPG7Zg&cbp=12,354.07,,0,12.47 (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.07064,-81.504318&spn=0,0.006899&z=17&layer=c&cbll=41.069954,-81.504303&panoid=AManWknm9zMZmt_PDPG7Zg&cbp=12,354.07,,0,12.47)
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.073051,-81.504296&spn=0,0.006899&z=17&layer=c&cbll=41.073563,-81.504146&panoid=1U-c0BLO38ppjnDkkV2krg&cbp=12,220.54,,0,14.71 (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.073051,-81.504296&spn=0,0.006899&z=17&layer=c&cbll=41.073563,-81.504146&panoid=1U-c0BLO38ppjnDkkV2krg&cbp=12,220.54,,0,14.71)
Maybe ODOT should consider not painting the colors on the signs on the road.
There's one on I-295 SB near the south I-95 interchange near Petersburg marking the left lane as the way to I-95 SB.
Quote from: Freewaytitan on April 28, 2010, 01:50:16 PM
I actually saw this on I-355, merging onto I-294 in Downers Grove, IL. Really good idea!
Where were you? I'm confused. :confused:
AFAIK I-355 and I-294 are both north-south and parallel each other.
Quote from: mightyace on April 28, 2010, 04:44:15 PM
Quote from: Freewaytitan on April 28, 2010, 01:50:16 PM
I actually saw this on I-355, merging onto I-294 in Downers Grove, IL. Really good idea!
Where were you? I'm confused. :confused:
AFAIK I-355 and I-294 are both north-south and parallel each other.
There's a painted shield for I-355 South on I-88 East, and another set for both I-290 West and I-294 North further east on I-88 East.
It looks like ISTHA is experimenting with them.
Quote from: roadfro on April 28, 2010, 12:44:10 AM
Quote from: Brandon on April 27, 2010, 11:08:47 PM
The ISTHA is using them now as well. Not so sure I like them. They would seem to me to be potentially slippery when wet or icy, and they would strike me as the first things to be scraped off the pavement after a snowfall.
The pavement route shields are usually thermoplastic (same material many jurisdictions use for crosswalk bars, stop lines, and pavement word messages), although some might possibly be painted on. In any event, a snowplow shouldn't be able to scrape them up.
I'm not so sure a snowplow wouldn't make a mess of them. Having lived here for the past 30 years, I've seen stop lines disintigrate after a couple of winters with a decent snowfall. It's common practice here (Chicagoland) to repaint stop lines every few years if the municipality/county/DOT in question wants them to be seen again. I've even seen lane arrows disappear after a couple of winters.
Quote from: Brandon on April 28, 2010, 05:03:44 PM
Quote from: roadfro on April 28, 2010, 12:44:10 AM
Quote from: Brandon on April 27, 2010, 11:08:47 PM
The ISTHA is using them now as well. Not so sure I like them. They would seem to me to be potentially slippery when wet or icy, and they would strike me as the first things to be scraped off the pavement after a snowfall.
The pavement route shields are usually thermoplastic (same material many jurisdictions use for crosswalk bars, stop lines, and pavement word messages), although some might possibly be painted on. In any event, a snowplow shouldn't be able to scrape them up.
I'm not so sure a snowplow wouldn't make a mess of them. Having lived here for the past 30 years, I've seen stop lines disintigrate after a couple of winters with a decent snowfall. It's common practice here (Chicagoland) to repaint stop lines every few years if the municipality/county/DOT in question wants them to be seen again. I've even seen lane arrows disappear after a couple of winters.
It may be that the Chicago area might not be using thermoplastic, and instead using a type of reflective tape or similar material for pavement markings. With thermoplastic, the markings are literally melted onto the pavement, and end up being maybe about 1/4" thick--the result usually being that to remove the thermoplastic marking requires grinding it down below the surface of the pavement, which is something a plow won't do. I've never seen thermoplastic pulled up by plows, but have seen tape pulled up after a decent snow and plowing operations.
Quote from: realjd on April 28, 2010, 03:23:17 PM
So here's one for you all - has anyone ever seen a painted shield with the state name? :-D
only for historic Route 66 - the traditional state/US/66 design is most prevalent (at least on a per-mile basis) in Kansas.
More in Virginia off the top of my head:
US 17 SB at I-95 Falmouth
US 460 Bus WB at VA 114 Christiansburg
SR 644 EB at I-95 Springfield
Mapmikey
Another that I've seen is at the I-75 North/I-24 West interchange in Chattanooga.
Be well,
Bryant
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.static.flickr.com%2F2204%2F4207854172_f48f4ba0fe_o.jpg&hash=420bda01fb5b925fef67613879b42fc32cff5c6a)
There are also I-244 and OK 11 painted shields. The OK 11 shields are circles. I've never seen a painted meat cleaver.
Heres one from I 80 in salt Lake City. There were installed around mid 2008 and they have lasted longer than the Lane lines they use on the roadway.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=redwood+rd+and+500+south&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=60.894251,134.912109&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Redwood+Rd+%26+W+500+S,+Salt+Lake+City,+Salt+Lake,+Utah+84104&ll=40.764527,-111.926436&spn=0,0.016469&z=17&layer=c&cbll=40.764527,-111.926311&panoid=XkpLN70cLyqDPd-NmNo86Q&cbp=12,91.77,,0,13.85
US 250 at VA 288 near Short Pump, VA:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.static.flickr.com%2F3084%2F2886158135_38cd92a533.jpg&hash=6c27826258bf5d1733fb66b3d30649c7831a1783) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/coredesatchikai/2886158135/sizes/l/)
Quote from: aztoucan on April 28, 2010, 10:25:31 PM
Heres one from I 80 in salt Lake City. There were installed around mid 2008 and they have lasted longer than the Lane lines they use on the roadway.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=redwood+rd+and+500+south&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=60.894251,134.912109&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Redwood+Rd+%26+W+500+S,+Salt+Lake+City,+Salt+Lake,+Utah+84104&ll=40.764527,-111.926436&spn=0,0.016469&z=17&layer=c&cbll=40.764527,-111.926311&panoid=XkpLN70cLyqDPd-NmNo86Q&cbp=12,91.77,,0,13.85
Interesting that they don't use the directions (ordinals) in addition to the shield. I-15 on either side of I-80. Very weird.
I see that the directions are painted like 100ft further, which is a bit confusing.
A friend of mine at the DOT, told me that unfortunately CT has no plans of implementing painted shields on CT oradways. They are only on I-84 because there is a project that is gonig to start that will replace the current sign bridge. Since the sign bridge has to come down the shields are painted as a temporary replacement. The replacement project will take 7 weeks!
I thought it was too good to be true that the CT DOT would be one of the first to implement new procedures. I mean, we just stopped using center exit tabs on BGSs a couple of years ago. =(
VDOT painted some on I-64's C/D roads around the new basketweaves near the new Battlefield Blvd interchange.
If I remember correctly, these shields are painted at the I-295/95 split near Portland, ME...can anyone confirm this for me?
Quote from: agentsteel53 on April 28, 2010, 08:22:33 PM
Quote from: realjd on April 28, 2010, 03:23:17 PM
So here's one for you all - has anyone ever seen a painted shield with the state name? :-D
only for historic Route 66 - the traditional state/US/66 design is most prevalent (at least on a per-mile basis) in Kansas.
Some examples of Route 66-on-pavement signage along Cajon Boulevard between Devore and Cajon:
http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/395/old/u18/
Quote from: shoptb1 on April 29, 2010, 07:15:25 AM
Quote from: aztoucan on April 28, 2010, 10:25:31 PM
Heres one from I 80 in salt Lake City. There were installed around mid 2008 and they have lasted longer than the Lane lines they use on the roadway.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=redwood+rd+and+500+south&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=60.894251,134.912109&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Redwood+Rd+%26+W+500+S,+Salt+Lake+City,+Salt+Lake,+Utah+84104&ll=40.764527,-111.926436&spn=0,0.016469&z=17&layer=c&cbll=40.764527,-111.926311&panoid=XkpLN70cLyqDPd-NmNo86Q&cbp=12,91.77,,0,13.85
Interesting that they don't use the directions (ordinals) in addition to the shield. I-15 on either side of I-80. Very weird.
I see that the directions are painted like 100ft further, which is a bit confusing.
As you mentioned, the directions are downstream of the shield, but do seem a bit separated. So let's analyze...
The MUTCD gives guidance that parts of a single message should be at least four times the letter height of the message (for low volume roads) and not more than ten times the letter height (under any conditions). Further guidance states that letter height should be a minimum of six feet tall. If we take this as the standard, then the cardinal directions should be separated from the shield by a minimum of 24 feet and a maximum of 60 feet. Given that a standard broken lane line is a 10-foot stripe with a 30-foot gap, I'm estimating that the direction text for is about 70-80 feet downstream of the shields based on the lane lines (it's hard to tell, as the lane lines don't appear to be consistent here).
One thing that Nevada DOT has done with the painted shields is to place the route direction before the shield. In their limited applications of pavement shields, it creates slightly more emphasis on the "ONLY" legend found in the drop lane after the shield.
Quote from: LeftyJR on April 29, 2010, 12:55:18 PM
If I remember correctly, these shields are painted at the I-295/95 split near Portland, ME...can anyone confirm this for me?
This is not the case.
There's a painted I-295 shield on ME9 in SoPo that I linked to upthread; that's the closest one.
Other than that, there's ME3's western terminus (http://maps.google.com/?q=augusta+me&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Augusta,+Kennebec,+Maine&ll=44.350338,-69.775801&spn=0.006767,0.013797&z=16&layer=c&cbll=44.350252,-69.775657&panoid=9d0gDyWwOL_os_EwPpnC3w&cbp=12,313.32,,0,25) in Augusta.
I believe these are the only ones in the state.
Kansas was doing this in the late nineties at the I-35/635 interchange.
Quote from: yakra on April 29, 2010, 07:32:32 PM
Quote from: LeftyJR on April 29, 2010, 12:55:18 PM
If I remember correctly, these shields are painted at the I-295/95 split near Portland, ME...can anyone confirm this for me?
This is not the case.
There's a painted I-295 shield on ME9 in SoPo that I linked to upthread; that's the closest one.
Other than that, there's ME3's western terminus (http://maps.google.com/?q=augusta+me&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Augusta,+Kennebec,+Maine&ll=44.350338,-69.775801&spn=0.006767,0.013797&z=16&layer=c&cbll=44.350252,-69.775657&panoid=9d0gDyWwOL_os_EwPpnC3w&cbp=12,313.32,,0,25) in Augusta.
I believe these are the only ones in the state.
THAT's the one I was thinking of...the one right outside of Augusta!
Quote from: golden eagle on April 28, 2010, 01:00:21 AM
I-10 in New Orleans have shields painted on the highway, but I can't recall if they have any signage painted on lanes for exits.
They also have them in the shape of the Evacuation Route markers on I-10 eastbound. What I don't like is that, unlike Texas, Louisiana doesn't apply the markers for State and U.S. route. I also like how Texas adds the direction and arrows to compliment the markings.
I've noticed that GA spells out the highway numbers. For example it will say I-75/85 ONLY in the lane vs having a 75 and 85 shield.
Quote from: Annunciation70130 on May 01, 2010, 02:05:10 AM
I've noticed that GA spells out the highway numbers. For example it will say I-75/85 ONLY in the lane vs having a 75 and 85 shield.
Nevada DOT has done this as well. It's applications of this method are about as limited as the applications of shield images on freeways/arterial freeway approaches.
I recently found out that on I-37 North they have a hurricane evacuation lane that has the little hurricane symbol and LANE EVAC. painted onto them. I was on that road just Saturday the 1st...
BigMatt
Here are some of the painted roadway shields that I know of at the top of my head at the moment...
1) I-83 southbound at I-283/US 322 in the Harrisburg, PA area (recent additions therefore no streetview)
2) I-287 eastbound/I-87 southbound approaching the split between the two near Elmsford, NY (there are 2 sets)
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Elmsford,+NY&sll=41.060683,-73.848596&sspn=0.007928,0.019205&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Elmsford,+Westchester,+New+York&ll=41.060683,-73.849347&spn=0,0.009602&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=41.060688,-73.849555&panoid=o2hMp3aWuQNj996D2JTWyQ&cbp=12,275.24,,0,33.86
3) New York Thruway exit 24 just after the toll going onto the Thruway (aka I-87 south/I-90 west)
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=colonie,+ny&sll=41.060691,-73.84955&sspn=0.507385,1.229095&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Colonie,+Albany,+New+York&ll=42.699871,-73.844218&spn=0,0.009602&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=42.700101,-73.844348&panoid=mCdIEzVv2I_1ZvFA11zD2Q&cbp=12,269.88,,0,27.02
I-97 on I-695:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=39.204391,-76.625004&spn=0,0.067291&z=14&layer=c&cbll=39.204415,-76.624899&panoid=O0W3c0kYNkCXeVahm0DiwQ&cbp=12,240,,0,5
I've seen Texas use these types of signs for other things
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.static.flickr.com%2F3248%2F3056979437_d6b960b1f3.jpg&hash=29a704b3f5303308eab358aa796cf51c8ff248e2)
Quote from: US71 on May 03, 2010, 10:14:44 AM
I've seen Texas use these types of signs for other things
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm4.static.flickr.com%2F3248%2F3056979437_d6b960b1f3.jpg&hash=29a704b3f5303308eab358aa796cf51c8ff248e2)
I've seen mention of this application elsewhere. I think it was nicknamed "horizontal signing". There's no mention of this type of use in the national MUTCD and I haven't seen anything about an approved experimentation. But I've gotta believe that FHWA wouldn't have problems with this kind of pavement marking given the MUTCD's new provisions for pavement shields and TxDOT's use of MUTCD approved symbol signs on the pavement.
I believe there's been studies that show horizontal signing, in addition to standard signs, aids in driver recognition of whatever situation is applied for the sign. This makes sense, as the pavement marking sign is an element that should be in the driver's standard field of vision without looking to the side of the road for a similar sign. One has to wonder what the cost of such a marking is though...if it's more expensive to use a 'shield ahead' pavement sign as opposed to simply using the text message "SIGNAL AHEAD", I can't see horizontal signing catching on too quickly.
Also interesting to note in that picture: the left lane appears to have "US 59" (or some other US route number) written in text downstream of the warning signs, instead of using a shield.
I haven't seen a lot of painted shields or anything else painted on the ground aside from arrows and lines in Ontario, The only place I've seen anything close to a shield painted on the travel lanes was a "407 ETR ONLY" message painted on one of the approach intersections to 407 ETR.
Pic from Streetview:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg404.imageshack.us%2Fimg404%2F5479%2F407etr.png&hash=f715622608abd58a1c8ea83f561736581cec0727)
Link to Streetview (http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&q=locust+hill+ontario&fb=1&gl=ca&ei=iSDfS_DkK4fkygSc_pjzBg&ved=0CA0Q_wY&view=map&f=d&daddr=Locust+Hill,+Ontario&geocode=CZksVcZ9lrO5FembnQId3lhH-w&ll=43.914759,-79.103451&spn=0,0.021801&z=16&layer=c&cbll=43.914921,-79.102948&panoid=T4p5vk_t00TaRinKy9HZjQ&cbp=12,243.82,,1,9.56)
Quote from: roadfro on May 03, 2010, 03:13:11 PM
Also interesting to note in that picture: the left lane appears to have "US 59" (or some other US route number) written in text downstream of the warning signs, instead of using a shield.
Indeed, it's 59. There are also a couple overhead signs for 59. IIRC, there is also an overhead "Signal Ahead"
I realize it's been three months since there was a last post on this topic, but I just found this article today in the Indianapolis Star. Indy is now testing the use of these markers at the I-465/I-70 interchange. I haven't passed this area for a while but it looks interesting for the area. If the test is successful more of these could be placed throughout the area.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20100810/LOCAL/100810018/Indy-tests-road-markers-at-I-465-I-70-split (http://www.indystar.com/article/20100810/LOCAL/100810018/Indy-tests-road-markers-at-I-465-I-70-split)
Nevada 828: (would have had a better picture, but I only noticed it in the post-mortem)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm5.static.flickr.com%2F4118%2F4880785313_d419f7b9de_z.jpg&hash=b2d6291bb9cda11e67411e19e2a222902e1ec7f7) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wandering_drive/4880785313/)
Nevada Painted Sign on the Road by wandering drive, on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wandering_drive/4880785313/)
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 10, 2010, 04:45:29 PM
I realize it's been three months since there was a last post on this topic, but I just found this article today in the Indianapolis Star. Indy is now testing the use of these markers at the I-465/I-70 interchange. I haven't passed this area for a while but it looks interesting for the area. If the test is successful more of these could be placed throughout the area.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20100810/LOCAL/100810018/Indy-tests-road-markers-at-I-465-I-70-split (http://www.indystar.com/article/20100810/LOCAL/100810018/Indy-tests-road-markers-at-I-465-I-70-split)
Irony alert: the last name of the reporter is Shields.
There used to be one on I-695 NB before exit 19 with I-795 in Baltimore, but when they repaved the road they never repainted it.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm2.static.flickr.com%2F1394%2F4731205261_4105b078a3_z_d.jpg&hash=87abcfaad9e77dbc37a759a31ce04be742a57f44)
Springfield, MO
Mississippi has one (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=hattiesburg,+ms&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=54.269804,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Hattiesburg,+Forrest,+Mississippi&ll=31.353669,-89.342317&spn=0.003614,0.004823&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=31.353901,-89.343045&panoid=xjjU2nNKWLf6J1Q5tokDwQ&cbp=12,322.22,,0,5.4) in Hattiesburg at the I-59/US49 interchange.
They just recently added PA-910 and I-79 shields to the pavement on the Exit #73 NB offramp on I-79 in the past 3 months. Amazingly, Google just recently updated their "Sat" view here in the Pittsburgh area and you can see them here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=40.615052,-80.094105&spn=0.000745,0.001742&t=k&z=20
The stupid part of this is the "WEST PA-910" shield. PA-910 ENDS at this interchange UNLESS they are planning on extending it.....
I guess just saying "West 910" helps point out that you don't HAVE to get back on to I-79 if you're in that lane.
I'm sure they have no actual plans on extending it... but I think they might just as well extend it to PA-65. (Though some of the roadway involved might be county... I haven't been out that way (west of 79) in a couple of years.
Wouldn't take much to extend the highway to Ambridge. You don't usually see painted shields on ramps though - overhead signs are more easily read and less easily stopped on by traffic.
Well, IMO, if anything, they should have painted the "Orange Belt" logo instead of the "WEST PA-910".
The belts are not mentioned on their guide signs, so it's not surprising it wouldn't be painted on PennDOT's ramp.
I just noticed the painted shields at the I-87/I-287 split in Westchester County and they help a lot, especially with all of the local exits in between the split and the Tappan Zee Bridge.
Quote from: PAHighways on October 16, 2010, 03:20:18 PM
The belts are not mentioned on their guide signs, so it's not surprising it wouldn't be painted on PennDOT's ramp.
True. But if I had been in charge of it, that's what I would have done. :)
And the colored belt system is also a "county thing" as well...
Quote from: Mr_Northside on October 18, 2010, 04:57:47 PM
And the colored belt system is also a "county thing" as well...
I still would have painted it instead. :sombrero:
Many E-ZPass lanes in NY have purple "shields" (not sure if that term is technically correct) and purple lane stripes. They're very helpful but, of course, there are still drivers who wait until the last minute to realize they're in the wrong lane. I fear it shall be ever so.
INDOT just put one on I-465 south for the interchange with I-70, but that's the only one I've seen in Indiana.
Before all the 10/95 and bridge construction just south of Downtown Jacksonville aroudn 1990, there were painted shields for I-95, US-90 and I think US-1... and yes 90 was blue and 1 was red.