https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/50241455642/in/dateposted-public/
Has this shield assembly made it yet around your local areas or regions?
IDOT tends to use the green California-style "Freeway Entrance" sign for Folded Diamond Entrance ramps instead of Route shields. "Left Down" arrow is used with the sign, sometimes
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.8004136,-90.0424195,3a,33.6y,203.44h,88.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sywrJ8ClmX8vabuven_jhNg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 Example from the New Poag Rd interchange @ the IL 255 Freeway with the "Freeway Entrance" + Left-down arrow
https://goo.gl/maps/5QrjpV2QnwUbaDps5 Marion, IL Main St/Old IL 13 interchange @ I-57 with only the "Freeway Entrance" signage - no arrow
https://goo.gl/maps/U8fB8WXsyZVPtBWu8 Belvidere, IL Appleton Rd interchange @ US 20. Best part about this one, is this is an isolated "freeway" style interchange along this section of US 20, as the crossroads to the immediate east and west are both at-grade stoplights - so its a Freeway entrance for a non-Freeway route!
The only places I know of where we have arrows that point the wrong way like that are at the HO/T lane slip ramps on I-95 and I-395 (see the sign to the left here: https://goo.gl/maps/hcczq2xU47D7vqtX9 )
More typical for an onramp would be this style (sometimes with a horizontal arrow instead): https://goo.gl/maps/LUWFiKPHtcV6XsieA Those are not universal, though, especially when there's a BGS present.
No. There's nothing in the national MUTCD supporting this kind of arrangement, is there?
Only ones I can think of in MD are at SPUI's, such as I-70 exit 54 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4014014,-77.4037967,3a,75y,347.42h,83.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7FnnL_NQRUxilbHOwMdL-A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en), I-270 exit 5 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0740571,-77.1644924,3a,75y,18.65h,87.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDVN4FBkaOtMYSb2aOawpbw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en), & MD 100 exit 11 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1490255,-76.6878997,3a,44.9y,309.03h,86.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGjmCPN691kJljNms8T1H9w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 18, 2020, 03:32:20 PM
No. There's nothing in the national MUTCD supporting this kind of arrangement, is there?
There is! See Section 2D.46 and Figure 2D-14. It's entirely optional, however. Unfortunately, I don't see an option saying one
may combine the route shield and cardinal direction assembly with a D13-3 or D13-3a. Personally, I would prefer that a route shield and cardinal direction would be allowed to be placed above a D13-3a. As a second choice, I'd like to see a route shield and cardinal direction be allowed to be placed above a D13-3, with an M6-2a placed beneath the D13-3. At quick glance, it looks like Caltrans likes to place the whole directional assembly beneath the D13-3 (example interchange quickly picked because of personal familiarity: https://goo.gl/maps/AGfnQZBzjeCPa69b8 , second example interchange picked partly randomly: https://goo.gl/maps/vJXvLx8suHpg1Ht36 ), which looks fine in my opinion, although we all know Caltrans and "consistency" rarely belong in the same sentence.
West Virginia uses them frequently, including a number of California-style "Freeway Entrance" on many.
Not that I know of in Missouri.
There is (was?) one for IL 43 at I-290. (https://goo.gl/maps/14rN9M3uuLsXwWyCA) If you go back to prior years in the imagery there used to be a second there for eastbound.
EDIT: There are also two for the IL 120 interchange with IL 21 near Gurnee.
At the westbound entrance (https://goo.gl/maps/kyX9qMCP15v1ViYF7)
At the eastbound entrance (https://goo.gl/maps/hqyxEVMo2qM2rD7C8)
And for the entrance to SB US 41 near Clavey Road (https://goo.gl/maps/gnJxGcoc4fzAeypy9)
Also a pair at the North River Road interchange (Exit 241) with I-55 near Wilmington:
Entrance to SB I-55 from North River Road (https://goo.gl/maps/8P1yGainQFtCAZRLA)
Entrance to NB I-55 from North River Road (https://goo.gl/maps/uxtmAvNDL3DRKSiJ8)
I kind of like these signs.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/52457101870/in/dateposted-public/
I think this was a great idea, and seeing them pop up more and more around my state I'm appreciating these a little more each time I see them.
It's better than PennDOTs ENTER HERE signs.
2 in Richmond, both are on ramps to the Downtown Expressway.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/1QKx3h6XEyaihX2P7
https://maps.app.goo.gl/juy7tH2oiTcne8jd9
(this one was knocked down a few years back and haven't been replaced yet)
7-page thread on this already
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=27077.0
Not really. Freeway Entrance focuses on the CA green freeway placecards. The down arrow is more of a knockoff.
Quote from: roadman65 on August 18, 2020, 03:01:07 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/50241455642/in/dateposted-public/
Has this shield assembly made it yet around your local areas or regions?
Colorado DOT increasingly is using the type of assembly in your picture on I-25 and I-70. Also, on C-470: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5643537,-104.904368,3a,37.5y,287.86h,85.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srugMcU6NO2YF4XfYRxa0eQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
That's something you'll never see in the Northeast, because if such signs existed in those places, they'd say EXPRESSWAY ENTRANCE instead. Chicago never used them for the same reason, although I-94 south of I-57 is actually called a "freeway" now, so it could be a matter of time.
Quote from: Henry on November 01, 2022, 01:27:42 PM
That's something you'll never see in the Northeast, because if such signs existed in those places, they'd say EXPRESSWAY ENTRANCE instead. Chicago never used them for the same reason, although I-94 south of I-57 is actually called a "freeway" now, so it could be a matter of time.
That variant is specifically allowed in the MUTCD.
Quote from: Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices, 2009 Edition
Chapter 2D – Guide Signs – Conventional Roads
§ 2D.46 – Freeway Entrance Signs (D13-3 and D13-3a)
Option:
01 – FREEWAY ENTRANCE (D13-3) signs or FREEWAY ENTRANCE with downward pointing diagonal arrow (D13-3a) signs (see Figure 2D-14) may be used on entrance ramps near the crossroad to inform road users of the freeway or expressway entrance, as appropriate.
02 – The D13-3 and D13-3a signs may display an alternate legend in place of FREEWAY, such as EXPRESSWAY or PARKWAY, as appropriate, or may display the name of an unnumbered highway.
Quote from: Henry on November 01, 2022, 01:27:42 PM
That's something you'll never see in the Northeast, because if such signs existed in those places, they'd say EXPRESSWAY ENTRANCE instead. Chicago never used them for the same reason, although I-94 south of I-57 is actually called a "freeway" now, so it could be a matter of time.
Is the Albany area (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7381806,-73.7802389,3a,20y,63.16h,87.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spLZQLar0TlEAt2XyqClngA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) not in the northeast?
That said, the expressway variant (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1225375,-77.6469406,3a,15y,34.46h,89.18t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sUgwE_zeDWcLSx5LuuI13qw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail?panoid=UgwE_zeDWcLSx5LuuI13qw%26cb_client=maps_sv.tactile.gps%26w=203%26h=100%26yaw=69.77674%26pitch=0%26thumbfov=100!7i16384!8i8192) does exist in the state. I know there's also a parkway variant, but I'm having trouble finding one.
https://goo.gl/maps/Wp5sVX1a2Yp14srb8
This one is interesting.
https://goo.gl/maps/9Ckgqbzue7uP6QzC6
Then a right side down across from it.
Quote from: vdeane on November 01, 2022, 08:41:29 PM
Quote from: Henry on November 01, 2022, 01:27:42 PM
That's something you'll never see in the Northeast, because if such signs existed in those places, they'd say EXPRESSWAY ENTRANCE instead. Chicago never used them for the same reason, although I-94 south of I-57 is actually called a "freeway" now, so it could be a matter of time.
Is the Albany area (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7381806,-73.7802389,3a,20y,63.16h,87.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spLZQLar0TlEAt2XyqClngA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) not in the northeast?
That said, the expressway variant (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1225375,-77.6469406,3a,15y,34.46h,89.18t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sUgwE_zeDWcLSx5LuuI13qw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail?panoid=UgwE_zeDWcLSx5LuuI13qw%26cb_client=maps_sv.tactile.gps%26w=203%26h=100%26yaw=69.77674%26pitch=0%26thumbfov=100!7i16384!8i8192) does exist in the state. I know there's also a parkway variant, but I'm having trouble finding one.
Link did not go to StreetView. Here's the link: https://goo.gl/maps/MZb6vmKL5xsvyiu8A (https://goo.gl/maps/MZb6vmKL5xsvyiu8A)
Quote from: vdeane on November 01, 2022, 08:41:29 PM
I know there's also a parkway variant, but I'm having trouble finding one.
From the AARoads gallery:
(https://www.aaroads.com/wp-content/uploads/guides/california/av-60-at-i-110-768x576.jpg)
Quote from: vdeane on November 01, 2022, 08:41:29 PM
Quote from: Henry on November 01, 2022, 01:27:42 PM
That's something you'll never see in the Northeast, because if such signs existed in those places, they'd say EXPRESSWAY ENTRANCE instead. Chicago never used them for the same reason, although I-94 south of I-57 is actually called a "freeway" now, so it could be a matter of time.
Is the Albany area (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7381806,-73.7802389,3a,20y,63.16h,87.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spLZQLar0TlEAt2XyqClngA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) not in the northeast?
I take it back, it may be every once in a while. But I still think it's very weird to see the word FREEWAY in a region where it's not even remotely used. And yes, I'm already aware of the EXPRESSWAY, PARKWAY and TURNPIKE/TOLLWAY variants that may be substituted.
Nevada is the only other state I've seen that carbon copies California's "Freeway Entrance" post sign design. That's with the green "Freeway Entrance" panel at the top, the Interstate shield underneath and the diagonal down arrow panel at the bottom. The cardinal direction panel may be above or below the Interstate shield on the sign post. I think it's more common for the direction panel to be mounted below the shield and above the arrow.
Anyway, Nevada seems to be the only other state that copies California's design verbatim. I could have sworn I've seen examples of it in Arizona too. But I might be wrong about that. I was scouring my brain trying to think of odd-ball examples I might have seen in Texas or Colorado.
Quote from: Bobby5280 on November 02, 2022, 09:37:21 PM
Nevada is the only other state I've seen that carbon copies California's "Freeway Entrance" post sign design. That's with the green "Freeway Entrance" panel at the top, the Interstate shield underneath and the diagonal down arrow panel at the bottom. The cardinal direction panel may be above or below the Interstate shield on the sign post. I think it's more common for the direction panel to be mounted below the shield and above the arrow.
I think this was discussed in a similar thread, but Nevada and California are the only states that tend to use the full "freeway entrance" package consistently in this manner.
Nevada always puts the cardinal direction above the route shield, or at least this is the standard practice and I can't think of an example to the contrary. But California is much more inconsistent–in my observation, the cardinal direction tends to be below the shield more often than not for state highways, but it seems to vary more for US & interstate highways.
Quote from: vdeane on November 01, 2022, 08:41:29 PM
Quote from: Henry on November 01, 2022, 01:27:42 PM
That's something you'll never see in the Northeast, because if such signs existed in those places, they'd say EXPRESSWAY ENTRANCE instead. Chicago never used them for the same reason, although I-94 south of I-57 is actually called a "freeway" now, so it could be a matter of time.
Is the Albany area (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7381806,-73.7802389,3a,20y,63.16h,87.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spLZQLar0TlEAt2XyqClngA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) not in the northeast?
That said, the expressway variant (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1225375,-77.6469406,3a,15y,34.46h,89.18t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sUgwE_zeDWcLSx5LuuI13qw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail?panoid=UgwE_zeDWcLSx5LuuI13qw%26cb_client=maps_sv.tactile.gps%26w=203%26h=100%26yaw=69.77674%26pitch=0%26thumbfov=100!7i16384!8i8192) does exist in the state. I know there's also a parkway variant, but I'm having trouble finding one.
FWIW... I happened to stumble across a "PARKWAY ENTRANCE" sign on
NY 384 (https://goo.gl/maps/6kwjRmgPNWedj5ED7) at the now- Niagara Scenic Parkway.