So, I just happened to see this thread called "Sign Wars at State Lines." It reminded me of a photo I saw on one of my favorite roadgeek websites (Iowa Highway Ends by Jeff Morrison), but that photo didn't fit the main thrust of that particular thread, so I decided to start my own.
Anyway, the focus of this thread is as follows: where have you seen situations along a road approaching a state line, where a sign installed by the DOT of one state references a town, road, or other entity in the other state? The photo I referred to, and linked to, here is located along US 69 northbound approaching the Iowa-Minnesota border, where Iowa DOT has posted a sign for the town of Emmons - which is just across the line in Minnesota.
http://iowahighwayends.net/ends/statelines/Emmonssign.jpg
What other examples of this phenomenon have you seen around the country? I'm sure there are some - especially when approaching a town just on the other side of the line, as is the case with Emmons, MN.
Both these signs are in Massachusetts (and it should be NH 107, not MA 107):
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4056/35605285172_3876e0ae75_c.jpg)
Interstate shield and US route shield in Quebec:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48298649286_e04ea9bc84_c.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48263953736_e6a839a3d1_c.jpg)
At one point, Virginia had posted VMS signage miles in advance of the North Carolina line along I-85 warning motorists of a major project that was going on through there, reducing traffic to one lane full-time to reconstruct the interstate. The project has since been complete as of 2018.
I've got one even better. A state highway sign for Indiana State Road 26 with a straight arrow under it. This sign is located at the corner of Butler and Wayne Streets in Fort Recovery, Ohio about 1.4 miles east of the state line.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4130425,-84.7795767,3a,15y,326.27h,88.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_jDeXWPlX6_wy9QuIc4KSw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I've got several examples but I think the most pointless (and therefore wonderful) example of this I know if is the very good Washington 290 to Idaho 53 signage on SR 290, a local road, several miles from the state line.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corcohighways.org%2Fhighways%2F290%2F27toid%2F2.JPG&hash=e71ef9fdcf982492f523ab8cc5086feac06a818b)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corcohighways.org%2Fhighways%2F290%2F27toid%2F3.JPG&hash=6f5af72ef1ce29b79b285c38c3f1b6213b32f03f)
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corcohighways.org%2Fhighways%2F290%2F27toid%2F4.JPG&hash=10729ad710bd317a0cca41d0266f17e49800201c)
Technically it doesn't qualify for this thread since it's not done by a State DOT, but in McHenry County, IL, there is a 'To County P' sign just off US 12. (https://goo.gl/maps/atPvWQEnNkS52iZ69)
A little to the south there is a sign for Twin Lakes (in Wisconsin) on US 12 (https://goo.gl/maps/4KQcc43UUGAjpHL27)
EB I-94 in Wisconsin has a sign bridge with signs for the Russell Road and US 41 exits in Illinois. (https://goo.gl/maps/wyMFgtRnxrJkLkMt5)
There's also a logo sign (https://goo.gl/maps/wyMFgtRnxrJkLkMt5) and an additional sign for the Russell Road exit prior to crossing into Illinois. (https://goo.gl/maps/E4oKd9WRWMHspFQBA)
WB I-94 has signs in Illinois for the weight station just over the border in Wisconsin. (https://goo.gl/maps/84z2QNJYQsWqgDsM6) There's also an advance sign for the Wisconsin Welcome Center in Illinois. (https://goo.gl/maps/J9tfTZEU6JevcA8b7)
SB I-39/EB I-90 also has advance signing in Wisconsin for the first exit in Illinois and the Illinois Welcome Center. (https://goo.gl/maps/JhFT5SEY8ZWQ6rxz5)
Quote from: 1 on August 22, 2020, 09:28:50 PM
Both these signs are in Massachusetts (and it should be NH 107, not MA 107):
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4056/35605285172_3876e0ae75_c.jpg)
Interstate shield and US route shield in Quebec:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48298649286_e04ea9bc84_c.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48263953736_e6a839a3d1_c.jpg)
Also in Massachusetts is this assembly at the RI border on I-95. (https://goo.gl/maps/eYuLPW1LPhDbFdq8A)
Also on I-95, this is in NH for an MA exit. (https://goo.gl/maps/LwUg5N3PoL447uYaA)
https://goo.gl/maps/CTc8qSUZ6hpt3vRk6I-80 WB in Illinois has an advance sign for the exit to US 67 in Iowa. (//http://)
There's an advance sign for the Riverview Boulevard exit off of I-270 in Missouri on the Illinois side, sans exit number tab. (https://goo.gl/maps/Uq51d2HJsJWdwxcf8)
Also a logo sign on the Illinois side for the Riverview Boulevard exit in Missouri. (https://goo.gl/maps/99XP2kg8QhwGGaqp8)
There also a sign for the Columbia Bottom Conservation area on I-270 in Illinois, but based on the design it would appear MoDOT at least fabricated it. (https://goo.gl/maps/tGmvncpeKCUiSUY26)
Advance exit sign for the first Indiana exit on EB I-70 in Illinois (https://goo.gl/maps/PdKGUAgopQCXAXSw7)
Sign on EB I-72 in Missouri for the exit to IL 106 (https://goo.gl/maps/GjvFQrcGqFwkAoN76)
There are many signs for the MO 79 exit off WB I-72 in Illinois. (https://goo.gl/maps/4aQRDzJFxnenF3hB7)
Prior to the replacement of the Mark Twain Bridge at Hannibal and I-72's extension into Missouri, I recall there being 'To I-72 assemblies on US 61 at the interchange with US 36. I can't recall if there were any other assemblies on US 36 or on MO 79 at US 36.
Depending where the state line is, there's a couple signs in Illinois for the interchange at the western end of the Poplar Street Bridge. (https://goo.gl/maps/ndjWLERcGaTv16Sq5)
Advance sign for the interchange at the western end of the new I-70 Mississippi River bridge in Illinois. (https://goo.gl/maps/XLpCe8D5kqnFyXT3A)
There are 'To IL 3' signs on the Missouri side of the McKinley Bridge. (https://goo.gl/maps/gvwWC4Zwd5zvWmZg9)
IL 146 appears on signs for the northern exit to MO 74 on I-55 (https://goo.gl/maps/EztYc7gcBZyPcezx5)
This Hudson exits sign on the Minnesota side of I-94, which replaced a WIS 35 advance sign that looked like a MnDOT made sign, while this looks like a WisDOT commission installed by MnDOT.
https://goo.gl/maps/3B5hzEZ2fKWBLeof8
There are four places I know of near the MO/AR border that involve short [MO supplemental routes] connecting to (AR state highways). In each instance, MoDOT has a TO sign under an AR highway shield:
From West to East: [OO] to (279) near Bella Vista, AR.. [P] to (23) near Holiday Island, AR.. [H] to (143) near Golden, MO.. [AR] to (87) near Bakersfield, MO.
Quote from: Revive 755 on August 22, 2020, 11:30:50 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/CTc8qSUZ6hpt3vRk6I-80 WB in Illinois has an advance sign for the exit to US 67 in Iowa. (//http://)
There's an advance sign for the Riverview Boulevard exit off of I-270 in Missouri on the Illinois side, sans exit number tab. (https://goo.gl/maps/Uq51d2HJsJWdwxcf8)
Also a logo sign on the Illinois side for the Riverview Boulevard exit in Missouri. (https://goo.gl/maps/99XP2kg8QhwGGaqp8)
There also a sign for the Columbia Bottom Conservation area on I-270 in Illinois, but based on the design it would appear MoDOT at least fabricated it. (https://goo.gl/maps/tGmvncpeKCUiSUY26)
Advance exit sign for the first Indiana exit on EB I-70 in Illinois (https://goo.gl/maps/PdKGUAgopQCXAXSw7)
Sign on EB I-72 in Missouri for the exit to IL 106 (https://goo.gl/maps/GjvFQrcGqFwkAoN76)
There are many signs for the MO 79 exit off WB I-72 in Illinois. (https://goo.gl/maps/4aQRDzJFxnenF3hB7)
Prior to the replacement of the Mark Twain Bridge at Hannibal and I-72's extension into Missouri, I recall there being 'To I-72 assemblies on US 61 at the interchange with US 36. I can't recall if there were any other assemblies on US 36 or on MO 79 at US 36.
Depending where the state line is, there's a couple signs in Illinois for the interchange at the western end of the Poplar Street Bridge. (https://goo.gl/maps/ndjWLERcGaTv16Sq5)
Advance sign for the interchange at the western end of the new I-70 Mississippi River bridge in Illinois. (https://goo.gl/maps/XLpCe8D5kqnFyXT3A)
There are 'To IL 3' signs on the Missouri side of the McKinley Bridge. (https://goo.gl/maps/gvwWC4Zwd5zvWmZg9)
IL 146 appears on signs for the northern exit to MO 74 on I-55 (https://goo.gl/maps/EztYc7gcBZyPcezx5)
In addition to that, on I-70 approaching the Stan Span, MoDOT has a VMS in Illinois for WB traffic. IDOT has their own at the same location for EB traffic: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6488154,-90.1679076,3a,90y,253.22h,74.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8gwzlpd3kBkeoPjQJGOI0w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Then there is this gem with an I-44 shield on a BGS in E St Louis on I-55/70 approaching the 64/70 bump: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6410302,-90.1335123,3a,53.4y,223.23h,89.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRFNGE_e2vF9zwj2X7PjYvA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Then again at the Eads Bridge exit on I-55/64, with another To I-44 shield on a BGS in E St Louis: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6295853,-90.1579952,3a,75y,261.69h,89.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slNDugj5KIC6n4RhlO3u-Ow!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Missouri side of the PSB, with To I-70 and also IL 3 South/Exit 1 signage: https://goo.gl/maps/SN6MFSJ1yBVNEZsQ7
And along I-70 EB approaching the TOTSO for the Stan Span in MO, To I-55 NB/I-64 EB: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6493513,-90.1922964,3a,53.3y,174.59h,106.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suFyrHATgCLfZDQQcC4KpyA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
There is this sign for IL 146 on approach to the Cape Girardeau bridge on MO 34/74: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.295016,-89.5233735,3a,33.2y,112.14h,87.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNsQC8ptgisFC0lRFn9ZZ3w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
US 7 in CT, south of MA state line: a sign for US 7A (SR 832 in CT, MA 7A in MA). Which IMO should be US 7A in both states: https://goo.gl/maps/y2JPLdJ1HFQExV4r8
On CT 197, south of MA state line: a sign for MA 31 (not a state road in CT; highway ends at state line in MA): https://goo.gl/maps/1TXjSyNmXtZGpVn36
Good looking but flawed sign on I-95 SB, for "RI 184" and "RI 216", exit 93 across the CT state line: https://goo.gl/maps/ZSMMbCnkR8XLBu4o7
Fort Madison, Iowa:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50256791003_75b58b2296_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jz2c3B)
IMG_5873 (https://flic.kr/p/2jz2c3B) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr
Lansing, Iowa- if only Wisconsin could put their bloated cheese triangles on single panels, too:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/8396/30054598616_81254bffe7_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MMPF5L)
IA-009-ET (https://flic.kr/p/MMPF5L) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr
Union City, IN:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4405/36227168473_e5875528b8_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XcgH3Z)
IN-028-032WE (https://flic.kr/p/XcgH3Z) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr
SB on US 69-US 75 in OK, is this BGS between Colbert and the Red River, in advance of the TX Travel Info center, with a TX exit tab.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/6Zd34b1warjDNrdM6
Quote from: -- US 175 -- on August 23, 2020, 02:05:19 AM
SB on US 69-US 75 in OK, is this BGS between Colbert and the Red River, in advance of the TX Travel Info center, with a TX exit tab.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/6Zd34b1warjDNrdM6
I-30 in Texarkana has several advance signs as well. All these signs appear to be to TxDOT specs. So TxDOT makes the signs and must have an agreement with the other state to install them themselves.
Kentucky signs for an Indiana visitor center and state park in Downtown Louisville.
https://goo.gl/maps/fzmAm9qcvW5WcnfQ7
I-93 in MA has a "road work next 20 miles" sign and a "I-293 X miles Y minutes" electronic sign intended for I-93 in New Hampshire. I don't have a photo, unfortunately.
I-495 in MA near I-93 tells you to use I-93 north for the airport in Manchester, NH. There's also one between exits 48 and 47 southbound telling you to use MA 213 to I-93.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4381/36541513476_be36fe6119_c.jpg)
This one is similar to the 107 photo I posted above. It's for NH 121, but the sign is in Massachusetts. (NH 121 does not become MA 121.)
[Side note: that's not a nonstandard signal; it's the camera.]
A few from my personal collection...
Here is a sign for PA 163 along I-81 in MD (with the extra-wide exit tab per MDSHA specs)...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48468843517_01aae3b6e6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gR2uxP)
I-81 north approaching PA 163 (https://flic.kr/p/2gR2uxP) by Jon Dawson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jmd41280/), on Flickr
Here is a sign for OH 872 and WV 2, along OH 7 in Shadyside...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4610/39500961074_a2437c7a9f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23byKx1)
OH 7 approaching OH 872 (Moundsville Bridge) (https://flic.kr/p/23byKx1) by Jon Dawson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jmd41280/), on Flickr
Here is a sign for OH 7 along WV 2 in New Martinsville...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7832/47407210301_bed55f6878_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fedkYR)
OH 7 sign w/ state name, along WV 2 in New Martinsville (https://flic.kr/p/2fedkYR) by Jon Dawson (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jmd41280/), on Flickr
Hope this Street View link works correctly. All three roads on the BGS are in Maryland, but the more interesting sign in my view is the LGS off to the right for the MGM Resort, which is also in Maryland. I always find it amusing that it doesn't mention what the MGM is best-known for around here–its casino.
https://goo.gl/maps/GxQLGVV5SnPRWNjP6
IL 2/WIS 213
Not sure about this instance here but this sign assembly is in Illinois by a few hundred feet. The state line is north of this bridge.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4947733,-89.0367973,3a,18.2y,39.64h,89.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDpNMliuez4hmYAbqVlALsg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Map:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4949021,-89.0372104,17.75z
A sign on NY 22 for MA 102 (https://goo.gl/maps/qmPJWsPgCuNrRCCM7), and this beauty for CT 124 on NY 137 in Pound Ridge (https://goo.gl/maps/WRpJHef6Ah7vKjjx8)
A sign in Rouses Point, NY for I-89 in VT (https://goo.gl/maps/keo1AVzMrQwCc5ej6)
A pole mounted BGS on I-84 in MA for CT 171 just over the CT line (https://goo.gl/maps/XcfiaibUT38CNng39) (the CT signage across the border is ground mounted)
On I-91 North 3 miles south of the MA border, CTDOT put this sign for Six Flags before Exit 47W, which is across the border in Agawam (https://goo.gl/maps/5zbw1aZL4xki5eY59)
I-684 and NY 120 signage on NY 120A...in CT (https://goo.gl/maps/oqs2DujSPgwDVHvA8)
Some Virginia examples...
- Currituck Outer Banks Welcome Center 1 Mile Ahead (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5634459,-76.1992579,3a,73.7y,172.31h,83.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sla9EXDSQ6O7c5b8sjBaT-A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) along VA-168 in Chesapeake, VA, referencing a welcome center in North Carolina.
- Reduced Speed Ahead (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5522179,-76.1940745,3a,50.5y,153.57h,81.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6h8iyfX_46n0CsrNfvKoog!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) along VA-168 in Chesapeake, VA, alerting drivers of a 50 mph speed limit on the North Carolina side, reduced from Virginia's 55 mph. Note it uses the regular "Reduced" variant whereas North Carolina signs usually use "Reduce" without the "-d".
- 1 Mile Advance Sign for Exit 233 in North Carolina for US-1 / US-401 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5506777,-78.1821906,3a,49y,201.94h,89.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9raKzIzxPQxEd7KwKCGTiQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) right over the state line along I-85 in Mecklenburg County, VA. One interesting aspect is this sign is new, but is clearly up to North Carolina's specifications vs. Virginia's for when it comes to new signage. Traditional FHWA font (instead of Virginia's Clearview spec), rounded edges (instead of Virginia's square edge spec), etc. This is in line with all the other signs along the I-85 corridor from the Virginia state line to Henderson that were replaced apart of a major reconstruction project that was complete back in 2018. It's probably safe to assume NCDOT funded and placed the sign in Virginia with permission from VDOT. Additionally, previous reduced speed 65 mph signs that were on the Virginia side, alerting of NC's reduced speed limit from VA's 70 mph, were removed since NCDOT recently permanently increased their segment to 70 mph once the reconstruction project was complete.
More VA examples:
Maryland Welcome Center on US 13 a mile before the state line
https://maps.app.goo.gl/pc9vH4P2AFfmcWbG8
Right at the state line on MD 12/SR 679, MD 12 is signed as a VA secondary route
https://maps.app.goo.gl/cNewLjdzojaUjecF6
https://maps.app.goo.gl/DSUJVLY7fUNSbaJV7
Detour VA 49 in North Carolina
https://maps.app.goo.gl/eZVZHb73cZTf1YgW9
And of course the infamous I-40 shield on US 220 in Virginia
https://maps.app.goo.gl/mbjNkhSRQv2SoUov9
Advance sign for Exit 83 on southbound US 395 in Nevada gets a Caltrans exit "tab":
https://goo.gl/maps/dhs4Htna3oUZF8oXA (https://goo.gl/maps/dhs4Htna3oUZF8oXA)
I-70 WB sign for the PA Welcome Center from MD (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7189257,-78.1866908,3a,75y,6.3h,78.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMYM0FOlx9W29zrp73AseCg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
And on the flip side, I-70 EB signs for I-68 from PA (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7252317,-78.1832737,3a,39.2y,212.05h,84.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjYNG-_x902bZZzjYB_RMSw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
I-83 SB sign for MD exit 37 from PA (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7496372,-76.6621581,3a,71.4y,195.28h,85.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIADufaUvCYr_mxKc-QDYhA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en) (I find this one interesting because the sign looks MDSHA-spec, but PennDOT is the one that normally signs all interchanges from 2 miles out. SHA only does this for major interchanges.)
I-495 SB sign for VA exits 43-44 from MD (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9716778,-77.1791933,3a,40.2y,199.57h,92.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssGDgsaMmoDDJhBEd9ycK7g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)
And on the flip side, I-495 NB sign for MD exit 41 from VA (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9665864,-77.1800645,3a,35.7y,33.9h,92.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1st6k-oD5ttBafgrK7hgKzpQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)
This is a very INDOT BGS Assembly, as it is before WB 80/94 enters Illinois. The only thing that would make it more INDOT would be if border lines were used on the IL 394 and IL 83 shields.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.billburmaster.com%2Frmsandw%2Fillinois%2Fimages%2Fw80atn940715a.jpg&hash=766741b2367611368f92e2103b2fcd614f5fa6c1)
IDOT D1 doesn't usually use add-on Exit Tabs like that. The IDOT version, a mile or two down the road:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.billburmaster.com%2Frmsandw%2Fillinois%2Fimages%2Fw80atn940715c.jpg&hash=448a68fe537bde9910d336b88fd779d898aeb637)
Crediting billburmaster.com's page on I-94 in IL: http://www.billburmaster.com/rmsandw/illinois/interstate/94il.html
This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7600663,-84.9896217,3a,75y,187.52h,78.18t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1syKd79Flrd03fjop6ysVfaQ!2e0!5s20181101T000000) It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.
Quote from: bulldog1979 on August 23, 2020, 09:06:54 PM
This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7600663,-84.9896217,3a,75y,187.52h,78.18t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1syKd79Flrd03fjop6ysVfaQ!2e0!5s20181101T000000) It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.
I never understood why Indiana went ahead and just added 200 to every exit number when 200 isn't even going to be the mile marker that I-69 meets I-465 at on the northeast side of Indianapolis.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 23, 2020, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: bulldog1979 on August 23, 2020, 09:06:54 PM
This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7600663,-84.9896217,3a,75y,187.52h,78.18t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1syKd79Flrd03fjop6ysVfaQ!2e0!5s20181101T000000) It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.
I never understood why Indiana went ahead and just added 200 to every exit number when 200 isn't even going to be the mile marker that I-69 meets I-465 at on the northeast side of Indianapolis.
They didn't want two different "Zero" points for I-69 statewide
The final routing of I-69 from Martinsville to Indy wasn't complete yet, so an easy add of 200 was decided a "good enough" approximation.
I have no idea if INDOT will renumber the "original" I-69 again once the Martinsville-465 segment is completed. INDOT could do it now, since the final routing is now done
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 22, 2020, 11:55:40 PM
This Hudson exits sign on the Minnesota side of I-94, which replaced a WIS 35 advance sign that looked like a MnDOT made sign, while this looks like a WisDOT commission installed by MnDOT.
https://goo.gl/maps/3B5hzEZ2fKWBLeof8
Interesting that you chose that example; I was going to nominate the 'Traffic Info' (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.953158,-92.8012962,3a,85.6y,102.87h,91.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slTDV9cE-_kYdminKmQqg8g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)sign just west of that. The trombone arm that the warning lights are mounted on and the I-94 shield just scream WisDOT. When I was younger and traveling to visit family in Chicago that sign used to be my "getting close to Wisconsin" landmark, and I'd start to get excited to cross state lines :D.
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 23, 2020, 10:15:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 23, 2020, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: bulldog1979 on August 23, 2020, 09:06:54 PM
This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7600663,-84.9896217,3a,75y,187.52h,78.18t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1syKd79Flrd03fjop6ysVfaQ!2e0!5s20181101T000000) It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.
I never understood why Indiana went ahead and just added 200 to every exit number when 200 isn't even going to be the mile marker that I-69 meets I-465 at on the northeast side of Indianapolis.
They didn't want two different "Zero" points for I-69 statewide
The final routing of I-69 from Martinsville to Indy wasn't complete yet, so an easy add of 200 was decided a "good enough" approximation.
I have no idea if INDOT will renumber the "original" I-69 again once the Martinsville-465 segment is completed. INDOT could do it now, since the final routing is now done
They should. Every time I enter Indiana from Michigan on I-69 I think to myself this state is not 357 miles long.
From the US 41/old I-164 Cloverleaf in Evansville (I hesitate to call it "I-69" because I-69 will turn south to cross the Ohio before it gets to this point) to the Michigan/Indiana line along I-69, following I-465 along the South and East sides, is 341 miles, according to Google. Add a mile or two from where I-69 will be "new construction" just west of the existing southside IN 37/I-465 interchange
So pretty close to somewhere near 345 miles, give or take. Is 357 correct? Obviously not. Its not disgustingly horribly wrong, tho
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 24, 2020, 12:01:57 AM
From the US 41/old I-164 Cloverleaf in Evansville (I hesitate to call it "I-69" because I-69 will turn south to cross the Ohio before it gets to this point) to the Michigan/Indiana line along I-69, following I-465 along the South and East sides, is 341 miles, according to Google. Add a mile or two from where I-69 will be "new construction" just west of the existing southside IN 37/I-465 interchange
So pretty close to somewhere near 345 miles, give or take. Is 357 correct? Obviously not. Its not disgustingly horribly wrong, tho
I got 163 miles with the allignment south of I-465, 157 miles with the allignment north of I-465 and 20 miles on I-465 for a grand total of 340 miles. I guess the route it takes through Indiana has something to do with the longer mileage, going from the northeast corner of the state to the southwest corner basically. So they should have added 183 miles instead of 200 miles, so they are off by 17 miles.
https://goo.gl/maps/hkFEDThhmo3NEzoGA
IDOT message board in Indiana on Interstate 74 WB...
https://goo.gl/maps/3j7HmQfADjnirVKS9
https://goo.gl/maps/2rSFYii2CKN9WmAT7
https://goo.gl/maps/62R6hFrzKga4xQx78
... as well as these IDOT-specs exit signs for exit 220 (Lynch Road)...
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on August 24, 2020, 12:47:50 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/hkFEDThhmo3NEzoGA
IDOT message board in Indiana on Interstate 74 WB...
https://goo.gl/maps/3j7HmQfADjnirVKS9
https://goo.gl/maps/2rSFYii2CKN9WmAT7
https://goo.gl/maps/62R6hFrzKga4xQx78
... as well as these IDOT-specs exit signs for exit 220 (Lynch Road)...
The EB entrance ramp from Lynch Rd enters Indiana before it fully merges into I-74, because the exit is that close to the state line
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 24, 2020, 12:29:46 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 24, 2020, 12:01:57 AM
From the US 41/old I-164 Cloverleaf in Evansville (I hesitate to call it "I-69" because I-69 will turn south to cross the Ohio before it gets to this point) to the Michigan/Indiana line along I-69, following I-465 along the South and East sides, is 341 miles, according to Google. Add a mile or two from where I-69 will be "new construction" just west of the existing southside IN 37/I-465 interchange
So pretty close to somewhere near 345 miles, give or take. Is 357 correct? Obviously not. Its not disgustingly horribly wrong, tho
I got 163 miles with the allignment south of I-465, 157 miles with the allignment north of I-465 and 20 miles on I-465 for a grand total of 340 miles. I guess the route it takes through Indiana has something to do with the longer mileage, going from the northeast corner of the state to the southwest corner basically. So they should have added 183 miles instead of 200 miles, so they are off by 17 miles.
INDOT more or less admitted that adding 200 was not going to be accurate, but they felt that since the old exit numbers had existed for so long, it would be easier for people if they were increased by a round number like 200 rather than 183.
Yes, if you're traveling southbound it inaccurately describes how far it is to the state line, but it makes it easier to calculate how far it is to Indy, which is the more common destination.
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 23, 2020, 08:15:33 PM
This is a very INDOT BGS Assembly, as it is before WB 80/94 enters Illinois. The only thing that would make it more INDOT would be if border lines were used on the IL 394 and IL 83 shields.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.billburmaster.com%2Frmsandw%2Fillinois%2Fimages%2Fw80atn940715a.jpg&hash=766741b2367611368f92e2103b2fcd614f5fa6c1)
IDOT D1 doesn't usually use add-on Exit Tabs like that. The IDOT version, a mile or two down the road:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.billburmaster.com%2Frmsandw%2Fillinois%2Fimages%2Fw80atn940715c.jpg&hash=448a68fe537bde9910d336b88fd779d898aeb637)
Crediting billburmaster.com's page on I-94 in IL: http://www.billburmaster.com/rmsandw/illinois/interstate/94il.html
Conversely, on the other side of the state line there are IDOT signs for Exits 1 and 2 in Indiana.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 24, 2020, 07:25:26 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 24, 2020, 12:29:46 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 24, 2020, 12:01:57 AM
From the US 41/old I-164 Cloverleaf in Evansville (I hesitate to call it "I-69" because I-69 will turn south to cross the Ohio before it gets to this point) to the Michigan/Indiana line along I-69, following I-465 along the South and East sides, is 341 miles, according to Google. Add a mile or two from where I-69 will be "new construction" just west of the existing southside IN 37/I-465 interchange
So pretty close to somewhere near 345 miles, give or take. Is 357 correct? Obviously not. Its not disgustingly horribly wrong, tho
I got 163 miles with the allignment south of I-465, 157 miles with the allignment north of I-465 and 20 miles on I-465 for a grand total of 340 miles. I guess the route it takes through Indiana has something to do with the longer mileage, going from the northeast corner of the state to the southwest corner basically. So they should have added 183 miles instead of 200 miles, so they are off by 17 miles.
INDOT more or less admitted that adding 200 was not going to be accurate, but they felt that since the old exit numbers had existed for so long, it would be easier for people if they were increased by a round number like 200 rather than 183.
Yes, if you're traveling southbound it inaccurately describes how far it is to the state line, but it makes it easier to calculate how far it is to Indy, which is the more common destination.
In my personal experience I know that 200 is the mile marker at the original end of I-69 at I-465. I wasn't sure until yesterday what the mileage south of I-465 was but I now know it's 163 miles. As for I-465 itself I simply just went from exit 37 to exit 4 but I think I-69 will be exit 5 when they are done.
My father attended a meeting on Section 6 last year and asked the official there about. According to the official the plan is to renumber the exit numbers north of I-465 once Section 6 is completed.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 23, 2020, 11:40:33 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 23, 2020, 10:15:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 23, 2020, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: bulldog1979 on August 23, 2020, 09:06:54 PM
This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7600663,-84.9896217,3a,75y,187.52h,78.18t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1syKd79Flrd03fjop6ysVfaQ!2e0!5s20181101T000000) It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.
I never understood why Indiana went ahead and just added 200 to every exit number when 200 isn't even going to be the mile marker that I-69 meets I-465 at on the northeast side of Indianapolis.
They didn't want two different "Zero" points for I-69 statewide
The final routing of I-69 from Martinsville to Indy wasn't complete yet, so an easy add of 200 was decided a "good enough" approximation.
I have no idea if INDOT will renumber the "original" I-69 again once the Martinsville-465 segment is completed. INDOT could do it now, since the final routing is now done
They should. Every time I enter Indiana from Michigan on I-69 I think to myself this state is not 357 miles long.
It sure seems like it's that long - or longer!
Quote from: GaryV on August 24, 2020, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 23, 2020, 11:40:33 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 23, 2020, 10:15:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 23, 2020, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: bulldog1979 on August 23, 2020, 09:06:54 PM
This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7600663,-84.9896217,3a,75y,187.52h,78.18t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1syKd79Flrd03fjop6ysVfaQ!2e0!5s20181101T000000) It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.
I never understood why Indiana went ahead and just added 200 to every exit number when 200 isn't even going to be the mile marker that I-69 meets I-465 at on the northeast side of Indianapolis.
They didn't want two different "Zero" points for I-69 statewide
The final routing of I-69 from Martinsville to Indy wasn't complete yet, so an easy add of 200 was decided a "good enough" approximation.
I have no idea if INDOT will renumber the "original" I-69 again once the Martinsville-465 segment is completed. INDOT could do it now, since the final routing is now done
They should. Every time I enter Indiana from Michigan on I-69 I think to myself this state is not 357 miles long.
It sure seems like it's that long - or longer!
It's about 275 miles from Angola, IN to Louisville, KY.
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 24, 2020, 09:10:53 AM
My father attended a meeting on Section 6 last year and asked the official there about. According to the official the plan is to renumber the exit numbers north of I-465 once Section 6 is completed.
Curious why they even bothered renumbering them to begin with then.
Quote from: Road Hog on August 23, 2020, 08:18:17 AM
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SB on US 69-US 75 in OK, is this BGS between Colbert and the Red River, in advance of the TX Travel Info center, with a TX exit tab.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/6Zd34b1warjDNrdM6
I-30 in Texarkana has several advance signs as well. All these signs appear to be to TxDOT specs. So TxDOT makes the signs and must have an agreement with the other state to install them themselves.
This is one of my favorite topics. Living in central Texas, state lines are kinda this thing that people talk about but few have seen!!! I am fascinated with A) states that reference things beyond it's borders, because Texas doesn't really do that a lot and B) states taking their assemblies and specs and installing them in foreign territory. The latter is exceptionally amusing when you have two bordering states with very very different signage and assembly specs!
California/Arizona:
This is Arizona sneaking into California to install this sign:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7317703,-114.6249142,3a,75y,105.38h,100.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOvcEqCy0R4K25j6KOPLRaw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7317703,-114.6249142,3a,75y,105.38h,100.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOvcEqCy0R4K25j6KOPLRaw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
The sign before, California specs:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7326332,-114.6287271,3a,67.1y,105.01h,90.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfj80itIsunGajJtZ3Oq14A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7326332,-114.6287271,3a,67.1y,105.01h,90.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfj80itIsunGajJtZ3Oq14A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
And before that, California specs and assembly about stuff in Arizona:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7337476,-114.635638,3a,42.2y,132.9h,92.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smz1qBVGgy04AkTtxvecTQQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7337476,-114.635638,3a,42.2y,132.9h,92.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smz1qBVGgy04AkTtxvecTQQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
This:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4717442,-94.0277773,3a,55.3y,265.27h,85.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sS5qLJ53EYy7FBqgv2AkW9A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4717442,-94.0277773,3a,55.3y,265.27h,85.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sS5qLJ53EYy7FBqgv2AkW9A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
This exit on I-30 for State Line Drive is a mile or so inside Arkansas. Sure the road straddles the state line, but is Texas exit numbering and Texas specs.
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 24, 2020, 11:21:55 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 24, 2020, 09:10:53 AM
My father attended a meeting on Section 6 last year and asked the official there about. According to the official the plan is to renumber the exit numbers north of I-465 once Section 6 is completed.
Curious why they even bothered renumbering them to begin with then.
Yeah good question. They went and renumbered them just to renumber them again after they are done, why not just wait until they are done and get it right the first time? INDOT doesn't make sense sometimes.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 24, 2020, 12:47:01 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 24, 2020, 11:21:55 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 24, 2020, 09:10:53 AM
My father attended a meeting on Section 6 last year and asked the official there about. According to the official the plan is to renumber the exit numbers north of I-465 once Section 6 is completed.
Curious why they even bothered renumbering them to begin with then.
Yeah good question. They went and renumbered them just to renumber them again after they are done, why not just wait until they are done and get it right the first time? INDOT doesn't make sense sometimes.
They had to renumber before the first new section opened to avoid duplication. Would be confusing to have two different exit 3s, 5s, etc.
Without knowing the final routing of I-69 over the Ohio River, there was no way to know what the final numbers should be, so they just started at 0 with the southern section and 200 with the northern section and then once the route is 100% finished they can fix it.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 24, 2020, 11:03:48 AM
Quote from: GaryV on August 24, 2020, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 23, 2020, 11:40:33 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 23, 2020, 10:15:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 23, 2020, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: bulldog1979 on August 23, 2020, 09:06:54 PM
This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7600663,-84.9896217,3a,75y,187.52h,78.18t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1syKd79Flrd03fjop6ysVfaQ!2e0!5s20181101T000000) It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.
I never understood why Indiana went ahead and just added 200 to every exit number when 200 isn't even going to be the mile marker that I-69 meets I-465 at on the northeast side of Indianapolis.
They didn't want two different "Zero" points for I-69 statewide
The final routing of I-69 from Martinsville to Indy wasn't complete yet, so an easy add of 200 was decided a "good enough" approximation.
I have no idea if INDOT will renumber the "original" I-69 again once the Martinsville-465 segment is completed. INDOT could do it now, since the final routing is now done
They should. Every time I enter Indiana from Michigan on I-69 I think to myself this state is not 357 miles long.
It sure seems like it's that long - or longer!
It's about 275 miles from Angola, IN to Louisville, KY.
But 337 miles to Evansville. So they're off by less than 20 miles.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 24, 2020, 12:53:43 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 24, 2020, 12:47:01 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 24, 2020, 11:21:55 AM
Quote from: tdindy88 on August 24, 2020, 09:10:53 AM
My father attended a meeting on Section 6 last year and asked the official there about. According to the official the plan is to renumber the exit numbers north of I-465 once Section 6 is completed.
Curious why they even bothered renumbering them to begin with then.
Yeah good question. They went and renumbered them just to renumber them again after they are done, why not just wait until they are done and get it right the first time? INDOT doesn't make sense sometimes.
They had to renumber before the first new section opened to avoid duplication. Would be confusing to have two different exit 3s, 5s, etc.
Without knowing the final routing of I-69 over the Ohio River, there was no way to know what the final numbers should be, so they just started at 0 with the southern section and 200 with the northern section and then once the route is 100% finished they can fix it.
I think it's all a waste of time and money. I don't think anyone will get confused with duplicated exist numbers over disjointed segments of a highway. Just wait until it's complete and do it right. We have the same thing goin on here in TExas with, you guessed it, I-69. exit numbering and mile posts are up in the Houston area, with no real idea of exactly where 0 will be, or exactly what the bypasses will be, so even if they were using US-59 centerline miles from where they thought 0 would be up to the Houston segment, they might still be wrong by a mile or so depending on how the segments in-between pan out. Same thing with I-369, but the 0 mile post is still up in the air, so the mile posts and exits in Texarkana will 1000000% be moved again later.
Quote from: GaryV on August 24, 2020, 01:04:51 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 24, 2020, 11:03:48 AM
Quote from: GaryV on August 24, 2020, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 23, 2020, 11:40:33 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 23, 2020, 10:15:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 23, 2020, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: bulldog1979 on August 23, 2020, 09:06:54 PM
This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7600663,-84.9896217,3a,75y,187.52h,78.18t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1syKd79Flrd03fjop6ysVfaQ!2e0!5s20181101T000000) It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.
I never understood why Indiana went ahead and just added 200 to every exit number when 200 isn't even going to be the mile marker that I-69 meets I-465 at on the northeast side of Indianapolis.
They didn't want two different "Zero" points for I-69 statewide
The final routing of I-69 from Martinsville to Indy wasn't complete yet, so an easy add of 200 was decided a "good enough" approximation.
I have no idea if INDOT will renumber the "original" I-69 again once the Martinsville-465 segment is completed. INDOT could do it now, since the final routing is now done
They should. Every time I enter Indiana from Michigan on I-69 I think to myself this state is not 357 miles long.
It sure seems like it's that long - or longer!
It's about 275 miles from Angola, IN to Louisville, KY.
But 337 miles to Evansville. So they're off by less than 20 miles.
I know but you'd be in another state by the time you drove that many miles so my point was you can get through Indiana in under 300 miles.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 24, 2020, 01:16:55 PM
Quote from: GaryV on August 24, 2020, 01:04:51 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 24, 2020, 11:03:48 AM
Quote from: GaryV on August 24, 2020, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 23, 2020, 11:40:33 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 23, 2020, 10:15:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 23, 2020, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: bulldog1979 on August 23, 2020, 09:06:54 PM
This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7600663,-84.9896217,3a,75y,187.52h,78.18t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1syKd79Flrd03fjop6ysVfaQ!2e0!5s20181101T000000) It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.
I never understood why Indiana went ahead and just added 200 to every exit number when 200 isn't even going to be the mile marker that I-69 meets I-465 at on the northeast side of Indianapolis.
They didn't want two different "Zero" points for I-69 statewide
The final routing of I-69 from Martinsville to Indy wasn't complete yet, so an easy add of 200 was decided a "good enough" approximation.
I have no idea if INDOT will renumber the "original" I-69 again once the Martinsville-465 segment is completed. INDOT could do it now, since the final routing is now done
They should. Every time I enter Indiana from Michigan on I-69 I think to myself this state is not 357 miles long.
It sure seems like it's that long - or longer!
It's about 275 miles from Angola, IN to Louisville, KY.
But 337 miles to Evansville. So they're off by less than 20 miles.
I know but you'd be in another state by the time you drove that many miles so my point was you can get through Indiana in under 300 miles.
You can get through Indiana in under 50 miles if you're going from New Buffalo to Chicago, but if you're going from Angola to Evansville it's over 300 miles no matter which way you go.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 24, 2020, 01:19:03 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 24, 2020, 01:16:55 PM
Quote from: GaryV on August 24, 2020, 01:04:51 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 24, 2020, 11:03:48 AM
Quote from: GaryV on August 24, 2020, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 23, 2020, 11:40:33 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 23, 2020, 10:15:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 23, 2020, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: bulldog1979 on August 23, 2020, 09:06:54 PM
This BGS is in Michigan on southbound I-69 just north of the state line. (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7600663,-84.9896217,3a,75y,187.52h,78.18t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1syKd79Flrd03fjop6ysVfaQ!2e0!5s20181101T000000) It even had an "old exit 157" sign attached at one point.
I never understood why Indiana went ahead and just added 200 to every exit number when 200 isn't even going to be the mile marker that I-69 meets I-465 at on the northeast side of Indianapolis.
They didn't want two different "Zero" points for I-69 statewide
The final routing of I-69 from Martinsville to Indy wasn't complete yet, so an easy add of 200 was decided a "good enough" approximation.
I have no idea if INDOT will renumber the "original" I-69 again once the Martinsville-465 segment is completed. INDOT could do it now, since the final routing is now done
They should. Every time I enter Indiana from Michigan on I-69 I think to myself this state is not 357 miles long.
It sure seems like it's that long - or longer!
It's about 275 miles from Angola, IN to Louisville, KY.
But 337 miles to Evansville. So they're off by less than 20 miles.
I know but you'd be in another state by the time you drove that many miles so my point was you can get through Indiana in under 300 miles.
You can get through Indiana in under 50 miles if you're going from New Buffalo to Chicago, but if you're going from Angola to Evansville it's over 300 miles no matter which way you go.
I know but I'm talking about going north to south.
Don't have a photo, but for years, the one-mile advance sign for the US 23 exit on westbound I-64, which was located in West Virginia, had route markers for both US 23 and KY 3. Once into the Bluegrass State, however, there was no mention of KY 3 on the exit signs.
I-84 eastbound in Matamoras, PA w/ a BGS for NJ 23 (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3590238,-74.7052824,3a,51y,69.41h,96.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgtiGL_blMDZPAjwBGPJWrg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
BGS for the same exit, this time across the border in Port Jervis, NY (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3568656,-74.6932084,3a,75y,114.96h,83.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sABOVEEkCc330vjpgHCdIDg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Quote from: jmd41280 on August 24, 2020, 09:50:34 PM
I-84 eastbound in Matamoras, PA w/ a BGS for NJ 23 (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3590238,-74.7052824,3a,51y,69.41h,96.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgtiGL_blMDZPAjwBGPJWrg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
BGS for the same exit, this time across the border in Port Jervis, NY (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3568656,-74.6932084,3a,75y,114.96h,83.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sABOVEEkCc330vjpgHCdIDg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
And on the flip side, NYSDOT signs for PA exit 53 (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3568079,-74.6924564,3a,42.2y,311.86h,86.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s62jXQo8sH9NDD8BFjntkjg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).
Interestingly, a few of the signs beyond the Delaware River in PA look like they're also NYSDOT installs, such as this truck info sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3596575,-74.7013,3a,45.4y,289.05h,87.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szwbGVsWgCSzqqSjdVAOPSA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).
Quote from: 1 on August 23, 2020, 08:49:20 AM
I-93 in MA has a "road work next 20 miles" sign and a "I-293 X miles Y minutes" electronic sign intended for I-93 in New Hampshire. I don't have a photo, unfortunately.
I-495 in MA near I-93 tells you to use I-93 north for the airport in Manchester, NH. There's also one between exits 48 and 47 southbound telling you to use MA 213 to I-93.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4381/36541513476_be36fe6119_c.jpg)
This one is similar to the 107 photo I posted above. It's for NH 121, but the sign is in Massachusetts. (NH 121 does not become MA 121.)
[Side note: that's not a nonstandard signal; it's the camera.]
Massachusetts really hates using other state's highway shields, don't they?
Quote from: jmacswimmer on August 25, 2020, 11:00:54 AM
Quote from: jmd41280 on August 24, 2020, 09:50:34 PM
I-84 eastbound in Matamoras, PA w/ a BGS for NJ 23 (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3590238,-74.7052824,3a,51y,69.41h,96.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgtiGL_blMDZPAjwBGPJWrg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
BGS for the same exit, this time across the border in Port Jervis, NY (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3568656,-74.6932084,3a,75y,114.96h,83.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sABOVEEkCc330vjpgHCdIDg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
And on the flip side, NYSDOT signs for PA exit 53 (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3568079,-74.6924564,3a,42.2y,311.86h,86.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s62jXQo8sH9NDD8BFjntkjg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).
Interestingly, a few of the signs beyond the Delaware River in PA look like they're also NYSDOT installs, such as this truck info sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3596575,-74.7013,3a,45.4y,289.05h,87.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szwbGVsWgCSzqqSjdVAOPSA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en).
There's also this one on NY 17 for PA 191. (https://goo.gl/maps/zCWidK314vPbsTcw9)
Quote from: The Nature Boy on August 25, 2020, 11:25:40 AM
I-495 in MA near I-93 tells you to use I-93 north for the airport in Manchester, NH. There's also one between exits 48 and 47 southbound telling you to use MA 213 to I-93.
There's also this sign for Bradley Airport a mile north of the CT border on I-91 South in Longmeadow (https://goo.gl/maps/V2wXp5Xr8GMabyAM7)
This old sign (gone now) was barely in Ohio and had mileages to Monroe, Detroit, and Flint, all in Michigan: https://goo.gl/maps/3wZzpSvTked3kzVB6
Flint is 108 miles using I-75 to I-275 to I-96 to US-23 back to I-75 vs. 118 miles staying on I-75 (it would have been ~100 miles if I-275 were built north of I-96/I-696)
But for locations not that much south of that sign, it would be shorter to take I-475 to US-23 and go via Ann Arbor. So the Flint distance on that sign was essentially unneeded for most traffic.
Still my favorite sign in El Paso, TX
https://www.google.com/maps/@31.7512851,-106.4847458,3a,15.1y,199.59h,92.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGfXX93BEigbrg4EpoQHdhQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.7512851,-106.4847458,3a,15.1y,199.59h,92.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGfXX93BEigbrg4EpoQHdhQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Don't even attempt to make it look like a Mexico Federal Highway shield.
On M-52 as you leave Adrian, MI heading south is a mileage sign, with US-20 as one of the destinations.
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on August 28, 2020, 01:10:38 PM
On M-52 as you leave Adrian, MI heading south is a mileage sign, with US-20 as one of the destinations.
On US 127 southbound approaching the M-36 intersection in Hudson, there's a sign with US 20 mentioned as the destination ahead (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8565933,-84.3618876,3a,75y,185.05h,70.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWxJfC7MJNXO_rQtCyNFWjA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). The state line is still just over 10 miles away, and US 20 is another two miles south of the state line at that point.
There's this sign on I-80 (https://goo.gl/maps/o6pfiKVCYjyrMLtv8) as it passes through the twin towns of West Wendover, NV and Wendover, UT. This is a UDOT sign, about a mile into the state, but exit 410 is fully in Nevada. Perhaps the most interesting part is that there's actually another Utah exit between here and 410.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 28, 2020, 01:05:49 PM
Still my favorite sign in El Paso, TX
https://www.google.com/maps/@31.7512851,-106.4847458,3a,15.1y,199.59h,92.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGfXX93BEigbrg4EpoQHdhQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.7512851,-106.4847458,3a,15.1y,199.59h,92.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGfXX93BEigbrg4EpoQHdhQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Don't even attempt to make it look like a Mexico Federal Highway shield.
At least Maine does it right (https://goo.gl/maps/cDgp5ouNrL5CBwqMA) (and does well to differentiate it from the fact that you're on
US 1)
As does VTrans (https://goo.gl/maps/zsfE2EUoGkKma3U79)
And NYSDOT got it right here (https://goo.gl/maps/8z8uPew6vstknau97) and here (https://goo.gl/maps/6tnZHXKup7KamBZJA)
This is about 6 miles from the Indiana/Illinois state line on US-36. IN-63 has Chicago and Evansville (which yes it is in Indiana but Terre Haute should be the control city not Evansville) for the control cities. IN-63 doesn't even get you anywhere near Chicago as it ends over 100 miles south of Chicago at US-41.
As for the Evansville control city, IN-63 is a discontinuous highway and ends once again at US-41 in Terre Haute so that sign is truly misleading.
Quote from: bulldog1979 on August 29, 2020, 12:04:03 AM
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on August 28, 2020, 01:10:38 PM
On M-52 as you leave Adrian, MI heading south is a mileage sign, with US-20 as one of the destinations.
On US 127 southbound approaching the M-36 intersection in Hudson, there's a sign with US 20 mentioned as the destination ahead (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8565933,-84.3618876,3a,75y,185.05h,70.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWxJfC7MJNXO_rQtCyNFWjA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). The state line is still just over 10 miles away, and US 20 is another two miles south of the state line at that point.
The one on M-52 includes the mileage but the one on US-127 doesn't. US-20 is 9 miles south of the state line along M-52/OH-109. M-49 has one for US-20 south of Camden as well.
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 05, 2020, 01:13:05 PM
This is about 6 miles from the Indiana/Illinois state line on US-36. IN-63 has Chicago and Evansville (which yes it is in Indiana but Terre Haute should be the control city not Evansville) for the control cities. IN-63 doesn't even get you anywhere near Chicago as it ends over 100 miles south of Chicago at US-41.
As for the Evansville control city, IN-63 is a discontinuous highway and ends once again at US-41 in Terre Haute so that sign is truly misleading.
IN-63 acts as de facto US-41 between Terre Haute and Carbondale, being four lane and more direct than 41, and since 41's control cities are Terre Haute and Evansville southbound it is appropriate.
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 05, 2020, 01:13:05 PM
This is about 6 miles from the Indiana/Illinois state line on US-36. IN-63 has Chicago and Evansville (which yes it is in Indiana but Terre Haute should be the control city not Evansville) for the control cities. IN-63 doesn't even get you anywhere near Chicago as it ends over 100 miles south of Chicago at US-41.
As for the Evansville control city, IN-63 is a discontinuous highway and ends once again at US-41 in Terre Haute so that sign is truly misleading.
The roadway goes to Chicago even though the route number doesn't come close. If you exit onto IN 63 northbound and just continue onward, you will cross into Chicago on Indianapolis Blvd, though you will have been on IN 63, US 41, IN 152, US 12 and US 20 in doing so.
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 05, 2020, 01:35:35 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 05, 2020, 01:13:05 PM
This is about 6 miles from the Indiana/Illinois state line on US-36. IN-63 has Chicago and Evansville (which yes it is in Indiana but Terre Haute should be the control city not Evansville) for the control cities. IN-63 doesn't even get you anywhere near Chicago as it ends over 100 miles south of Chicago at US-41.
As for the Evansville control city, IN-63 is a discontinuous highway and ends once again at US-41 in Terre Haute so that sign is truly misleading.
The roadway goes to Chicago even though the route number doesn't come close. If you exit onto IN 63 northbound and just continue onward, you will cross into Chicago on Indianapolis Blvd, though you will have been on IN 63, US 41, IN 152, US 12 and US 20 in doing so.
It's similar I-57 having a control city of Memphis. Number changes but the transition between routes is natural.
Quote from: I-55 on September 05, 2020, 02:20:36 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 05, 2020, 01:35:35 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 05, 2020, 01:13:05 PM
This is about 6 miles from the Indiana/Illinois state line on US-36. IN-63 has Chicago and Evansville (which yes it is in Indiana but Terre Haute should be the control city not Evansville) for the control cities. IN-63 doesn't even get you anywhere near Chicago as it ends over 100 miles south of Chicago at US-41.
As for the Evansville control city, IN-63 is a discontinuous highway and ends once again at US-41 in Terre Haute so that sign is truly misleading.
The roadway goes to Chicago even though the route number doesn't come close. If you exit onto IN 63 northbound and just continue onward, you will cross into Chicago on Indianapolis Blvd, though you will have been on IN 63, US 41, IN 152, US 12 and US 20 in doing so.
It's similar I-57 having a control city of Memphis. Number changes but the transition between routes is natural.
Memphis-bound traffic on I-57 has to follow a loop ramp at the I-55 Cloverleaf in Sikeston, to continue on 55 SB
IN 63 NB traffic for Chicago can get to Chicago without turning/by continuing "straight"
I wonder if when the I-57 extension goes through, IDOT will change from "Memphis" to "Little Rock".
Quote from: I-55 on September 05, 2020, 01:33:03 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 05, 2020, 01:13:05 PM
This is about 6 miles from the Indiana/Illinois state line on US-36. IN-63 has Chicago and Evansville (which yes it is in Indiana but Terre Haute should be the control city not Evansville) for the control cities. IN-63 doesn't even get you anywhere near Chicago as it ends over 100 miles south of Chicago at US-41.
As for the Evansville control city, IN-63 is a discontinuous highway and ends once again at US-41 in Terre Haute so that sign is truly misleading.
IN-63 acts as de facto US-41 between Terre Haute and Carbondale, being four lane and more direct than 41, and since 41's control cities are Terre Haute and Evansville southbound it is appropriate.
I've been on IN-63 quite a bit while county clinching it's a nice highway to ride on but if it said something like Carbondale instead it'd make more sense. Yeah I know you'd get to Chicago by simply following US-41 but it's so far south of Chicago and doesn't go anywhere near there. The gap in the route is the reason I said it should be Terre Haute instead and even then Terre Haute is a big enough city to warrant control city signage over Evansville north of Terre Haute.
IN-63 has both Terre Haute and Evansville at the northern terminus at US-41. Then US-41 has Attica which is basically near that interchange. The thing that I don't get is that Evansville replaces Terre Haute even north of Terre Haute, I know that Evansville is quite a bit bigger than Terre Haute but it's still a city of about 60,000 and a metro of about 175,000. However Evansville is the hub of Southern Indiana pretty much, although there is a gap in IN-63's route. I haven't yet understood INDOT's obsession over making the cities have control of the former highways through the city.
On the flip side in Terre Haute, IN-63 NB has Clinton and Chicago for control cities while US-41 has Rockville. Rockville is fine and I guess Chicago being on IN-63's sign is evidence that IN-63 is the major highway in that part of the state.
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 05, 2020, 06:10:07 PM
Quote from: I-55 on September 05, 2020, 01:33:03 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 05, 2020, 01:13:05 PM
This is about 6 miles from the Indiana/Illinois state line on US-36. IN-63 has Chicago and Evansville (which yes it is in Indiana but Terre Haute should be the control city not Evansville) for the control cities. IN-63 doesn't even get you anywhere near Chicago as it ends over 100 miles south of Chicago at US-41.
As for the Evansville control city, IN-63 is a discontinuous highway and ends once again at US-41 in Terre Haute so that sign is truly misleading.
IN-63 acts as de facto US-41 between Terre Haute and Carbondale, being four lane and more direct than 41, and since 41's control cities are Terre Haute and Evansville southbound it is appropriate.
I've been on IN-63 quite a bit while county clinching it's a nice highway to ride on but if it said something like Carbondale instead it'd make more sense. Yeah I know you'd get to Chicago by simply following US-41 but it's so far south of Chicago and doesn't go anywhere near there. The gap in the route is the reason I said it should be Terre Haute instead and even then Terre Haute is a big enough city to warrant control city signage over Evansville north of Terre Haute.
Carbondale wouldn't make any sense at all because it's not a destination. It's barely a place. Chicago makes sense exactly because there isn't any real destination until you get close to Chicago.
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 05, 2020, 06:37:55 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 05, 2020, 06:10:07 PM
Quote from: I-55 on September 05, 2020, 01:33:03 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 05, 2020, 01:13:05 PM
This is about 6 miles from the Indiana/Illinois state line on US-36. IN-63 has Chicago and Evansville (which yes it is in Indiana but Terre Haute should be the control city not Evansville) for the control cities. IN-63 doesn't even get you anywhere near Chicago as it ends over 100 miles south of Chicago at US-41.
As for the Evansville control city, IN-63 is a discontinuous highway and ends once again at US-41 in Terre Haute so that sign is truly misleading.
IN-63 acts as de facto US-41 between Terre Haute and Carbondale, being four lane and more direct than 41, and since 41's control cities are Terre Haute and Evansville southbound it is appropriate.
I've been on IN-63 quite a bit while county clinching it's a nice highway to ride on but if it said something like Carbondale instead it'd make more sense. Yeah I know you'd get to Chicago by simply following US-41 but it's so far south of Chicago and doesn't go anywhere near there. The gap in the route is the reason I said it should be Terre Haute instead and even then Terre Haute is a big enough city to warrant control city signage over Evansville north of Terre Haute.
Carbondale wouldn't make any sense at all because it's not a destination. It's barely a place. Chicago makes sense exactly because there isn't any real destination until you get close to Chicago.
Well Hammond would probably be the only other Indiana city to go with and that's right next to Chicago so if Hammond would be it you mine as well make it Chicago.
Almost last sign in Washington, Southbound I-82. (https://goo.gl/maps/6zSs6DTN89i6CVzH6) This sign is made up of many small horizontal panels, typical of Oregon DOT. It's possible Washington actually put it up.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 31, 2020, 12:29:44 PM
As does VTrans (https://goo.gl/maps/zsfE2EUoGkKma3U79)
I know it's not in Quebec, but is this the only QC route shield in existence with an English directional banner?
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 05, 2020, 05:25:25 PM
I wonder if when the I-57 extension goes through, IDOT will change from "Memphis" to "Little Rock".
Given IDOT, I'd say no.
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 05, 2020, 05:25:25 PM
I wonder if when the I-57 extension goes through, IDOT will change from "Memphis" to "Little Rock".
Here's a prediction for the I-55 interchange:
The current sign------------------------------Becomes:
60 WEST 57 SOUTH 60 WEST
Dexter Poplar Bluff
Popular Bluff Little Rock AR
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 05, 2020, 08:58:19 PM
Well Hammond would probably be the only other Indiana city to go with and that's right next to Chicago so if Hammond would be it you mine as well make it Chicago.
Once you get north of Kentland Hammond basically does become the control city for US 41. All mileage signs north of Kentland list Hammond instead of Chicago. Chicago gets its last mention on US 41 northbound after the merge from US 52.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on September 06, 2020, 09:25:40 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 05, 2020, 05:25:25 PM
I wonder if when the I-57 extension goes through, IDOT will change from "Memphis" to "Little Rock".
Here's a prediction for the I-55 interchange:
The current sign------------------------------Becomes:
60 WEST 57 SOUTH 60 WEST
Dexter Poplar Bluff
Popular Bluff Little Rock AR
It'll be more interesting to see what Arkansas puts as the control city. I could see Jacksonville, Searcy, Jonesboro, and/or Sikeston over Chicago.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.508154,-88.9836294,3a,55.1y,252.72h,87.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQVkawfOzADeneFb4Dh7sUw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Fairly sure this was put up by WISDOT because of the font, which is different from the font used in Illinois.
Quote from: I-55 on September 06, 2020, 10:22:24 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on September 06, 2020, 09:25:40 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 05, 2020, 05:25:25 PM
I wonder if when the I-57 extension goes through, IDOT will change from "Memphis" to "Little Rock".
Here's a prediction for the I-55 interchange:
The current sign------------------------------Becomes:
60 WEST 57 SOUTH 60 WEST
Dexter Poplar Bluff
Popular Bluff Little Rock AR
It'll be more interesting to see what Arkansas puts as the control city. I could see Jacksonville, Searcy, Jonesboro, and/or Sikeston over Chicago.
If they do choose Chicago as the primary control (doubtful but cetrainly possible), that would be the furthest away primary control city in the country, surpassing Memphis being signed in Chicago for I-57.
Quote from: thspfc on September 06, 2020, 10:27:09 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.508154,-88.9836294,3a,55.1y,252.72h,87.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQVkawfOzADeneFb4Dh7sUw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Fairly sure this was put up by WISDOT because of the font, which is different from the font used in Illinois.
That's distinctly WisDOT. The exit tab is a dead giveaway.
Quote from: thspfc on September 06, 2020, 10:33:13 PM
Quote from: I-55 on September 06, 2020, 10:22:24 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on September 06, 2020, 09:25:40 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 05, 2020, 05:25:25 PM
I wonder if when the I-57 extension goes through, IDOT will change from "Memphis" to "Little Rock".
Here's a prediction for the I-55 interchange:
The current sign------------------------------Becomes:
60 WEST 57 SOUTH 60 WEST
Dexter Poplar Bluff
Popular Bluff Little Rock AR
It'll be more interesting to see what Arkansas puts as the control city. I could see Jacksonville, Searcy, Jonesboro, and/or Sikeston over Chicago.
If they do choose Chicago as the primary control (doubtful but cetrainly possible), that would be the furthest away primary control city in the country, surpassing Memphis being signed in Chicago for I-57.
The control city
could be St. Louis. There are a few mileage signs listing the distance to St. Louis on NB US 67 north of Little Rock.
https://goo.gl/maps/ySh1xax91A35qYxW6
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on September 06, 2020, 03:43:04 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 31, 2020, 12:29:44 PM
As does VTrans (https://goo.gl/maps/zsfE2EUoGkKma3U79)
I know it's not in Quebec, but is this the only QC route shield in existence with an English directional banner?
Given everything federal is bilingual, there are plenty of route shields around bridges that have both English and French banners, e.g. https://goo.gl/maps/EHJhuSeW45spGSUw7
I'd imagine everything along the border in ON or NB would be bilingual as well, though you might find something English-only that was locally installed in one of the predominantly anglophone areas.
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 06, 2020, 10:02:52 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 05, 2020, 08:58:19 PM
Well Hammond would probably be the only other Indiana city to go with and that's right next to Chicago so if Hammond would be it you mine as well make it Chicago.
Once you get north of Kentland Hammond basically does become the control city for US 41. All mileage signs north of Kentland list Hammond instead of Chicago. Chicago gets its last mention on US 41 northbound after the merge from US 52.
So I'd think it should be Hammond on IN-63 as well since that merges right into NB US-41.
Quote from: amroad17 on September 07, 2020, 02:07:59 AM
Quote from: thspfc on September 06, 2020, 10:33:13 PM
Quote from: I-55 on September 06, 2020, 10:22:24 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on September 06, 2020, 09:25:40 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 05, 2020, 05:25:25 PM
I wonder if when the I-57 extension goes through, IDOT will change from "Memphis" to "Little Rock".
Here's a prediction for the I-55 interchange:
The current sign------------------------------Becomes:
60 WEST 57 SOUTH 60 WEST
Dexter Poplar Bluff
Popular Bluff Little Rock AR
It'll be more interesting to see what Arkansas puts as the control city. I could see Jacksonville, Searcy, Jonesboro, and/or Sikeston over Chicago.
If they do choose Chicago as the primary control (doubtful but cetrainly possible), that would be the furthest away primary control city in the country, surpassing Memphis being signed in Chicago for I-57.
The control city could be St. Louis. There are a few mileage signs listing the distance to St. Louis on NB US 67 north of Little Rock.
https://goo.gl/maps/ySh1xax91A35qYxW6
St Louis would make more sense than Chicago, but I would just go with Searcy, then Jonesboro,
then StL, and finally Chicago north of Sikeston.
I-57 SB starting in Chicago could have Kankakee, Champaign, Effingham, Mt. Vernon, Marion and Sikeston over Memphis. That's six control cities they could use instead of Memphis. I hate how they'll use a control city for a highway that isn't anywhere near the actual highway.
Like in Michigan with I-275 using Flint as a control city (yes I-275 was suppose to reconnect to I-75 near Davisburg but it doesn't and never will). Novi, Livonia or Farmington Hills would be a better control city than Flint even if I-275 reconnected to I-75 near Davisburg.
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 07, 2020, 02:57:29 PM
I-57 SB starting in Chicago could have Kankakee, Champaign, Effingham, Mt. Vernon, Marion and Sikeston over Memphis. That's six control cities they could use instead of Memphis. I hate how they'll use a control city for a highway that isn't anywhere near the actual highway.
For whatever reason, Marion is not used along I-57 or I-24. Cairo is used on I-57, tho.
I-24 West uses "Interstate 57" as the Local Control in lieu of Marion, but whatever
Leaving Chicago, I-57 should probably have Champaign/Urbana as the SB Control, imho
Quote from: Brandon on September 06, 2020, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 06, 2020, 10:27:09 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.508154,-88.9836294,3a,55.1y,252.72h,87.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQVkawfOzADeneFb4Dh7sUw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Fairly sure this was put up by WISDOT because of the font, which is different from the font used in Illinois.
That's distinctly WisDOT. The exit tab is a dead giveaway.
The sign is also not an ugly eyesore like most of the trash put out by IDOT, that's a dead giveaway too.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on September 08, 2020, 02:28:43 PM
Quote from: Brandon on September 06, 2020, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: thspfc on September 06, 2020, 10:27:09 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.508154,-88.9836294,3a,55.1y,252.72h,87.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQVkawfOzADeneFb4Dh7sUw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Fairly sure this was put up by WISDOT because of the font, which is different from the font used in Illinois.
That's distinctly WisDOT. The exit tab is a dead giveaway.
The sign is also not an ugly eyesore like most of the trash put out by IDOT, that's a dead giveaway too.
Also I'm pretty sure that "Illinois" shield is actually a county shield with the text changed.
WSDOT-spec sign put up in Idaho. (https://goo.gl/maps/cw3zqE1eeEqo22vb6) Single sheet instead of stacked horizontal panels, and the exit tab is part of the sign and fits across the whole top of the sign.
By the way, the sign is on one side of a river bridge, and the actual exit is on the other side, in Washington State. I was thinking of starting a thread for river crossing bridges that cross state lines that aren't defined by the river, but I don't think there would be any other examples.
This one is interesting since the physical split happens in PA just before entering DE, but...
PennDOT signs for I-95 DE exit 11 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8268087,-75.4353419,3a,75y,229.11h,85.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPhkszu-LqMTzq673znQ-gg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
(This sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8220098,-75.445036,3a,75.5y,261.71h,85.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1se2-GFdopa2yjBFYyYrzwCA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) closer to the split does at least list off 3 exits located all the way into DE)
Another one for Nevada: I-15 northbound Primm 1 mile advance sign (https://goo.gl/maps/91LCKZmSq3dHxnVi8) (without mention of it being "Exit 1"),
Quote from: gonealookin on August 23, 2020, 08:05:03 PM
Advance sign for Exit 83 on southbound US 395 in Nevada gets a Caltrans exit "tab":
https://goo.gl/maps/dhs4Htna3oUZF8oXA (https://goo.gl/maps/dhs4Htna3oUZF8oXA)
Which is too bad, because the old button copy sign at that location (https://goo.gl/maps/tQ8sgR3KT7mQcgem7) had two fun oddities: (1) Misspelling of Bordertown as "Border Town", and (2) the rare external exit tab in California, which was reflective and mounted in the center. (On seeing this the first time, my mind imagined NDOT sneaking into California under cover of darkness to attach the exit tab to Caltrans' sign.)
Following that advance sign, there's also blue motorist service signs for fuel (https://goo.gl/maps/TeEqCEt7AgxA3qFq9) and camping/food (https://goo.gl/maps/TeEqCEt7AgxA3qFq9) installed to Caltrans spec for things at the Bordertown exit.
Previously, there was a white regulatory sign (https://goo.gl/maps/K66gAMgfr23zFehQ8) between the BGS advance and the motorist service signs, which was warning about hazardous material permits required and Nevada Highway Patrol contact info. Interesting thing here is that, aside from the sign being abnormally wide, it's an NDOT spec sign–the metal sign supports are the telltale indicator. This appears to have been removed in the last two years.
Quote from: amroad17 on September 07, 2020, 02:07:59 AM
Quote from: thspfc on September 06, 2020, 10:33:13 PM
Quote from: I-55 on September 06, 2020, 10:22:24 PM
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Quote from: Scott5114 on September 05, 2020, 05:25:25 PM
I wonder if when the I-57 extension goes through, IDOT will change from "Memphis" to "Little Rock".
Here's a prediction for the I-55 interchange:
The current sign------------------------------Becomes:
60 WEST 57 SOUTH 60 WEST
Dexter Poplar Bluff
Popular Bluff Little Rock AR
It'll be more interesting to see what Arkansas puts as the control city. I could see Jacksonville, Searcy, Jonesboro, and/or Sikeston over Chicago.
If they do choose Chicago as the primary control (doubtful but cetrainly possible), that would be the furthest away primary control city in the country, surpassing Memphis being signed in Chicago for I-57.
The control city could be St. Louis. There are a few mileage signs listing the distance to St. Louis on NB US 67 north of Little Rock.
https://goo.gl/maps/ySh1xax91A35qYxW6
I'd be willing to bet future I-57 would have St. Louis as its northbound primary, with Sikeston, Poplar Bluff, and Corning as secondaries. One main reason is that AR 440 northbound at I-40 is given St. Louis as a control outside Little Rock, so there's some level of precedent.
Once closer to I-55 (and likely after US 67 breaks from that physical route), mentions of Chicago would be more prominent, until it's the new primary north (east?) of I-55. Again, that's my thought process, and not the end-all be-all.
This sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2490005,-79.7656854,3a,44.1y,57.75h,89.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGdT8CUzgTP4MlT9TfwD9dw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) in Pennsylvania refers to an upcoming exit and an upcoming toll, both of which are in New York.
Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on September 20, 2020, 11:09:02 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on September 07, 2020, 02:07:59 AM
Quote from: thspfc on September 06, 2020, 10:33:13 PM
Quote from: I-55 on September 06, 2020, 10:22:24 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on September 06, 2020, 09:25:40 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 05, 2020, 05:25:25 PM
I wonder if when the I-57 extension goes through, IDOT will change from "Memphis" to "Little Rock".
Here's a prediction for the I-55 interchange:
The current sign------------------------------Becomes:
60 WEST 57 SOUTH 60 WEST
Dexter Poplar Bluff
Popular Bluff Little Rock AR
It'll be more interesting to see what Arkansas puts as the control city. I could see Jacksonville, Searcy, Jonesboro, and/or Sikeston over Chicago.
If they do choose Chicago as the primary control (doubtful but cetrainly possible), that would be the furthest away primary control city in the country, surpassing Memphis being signed in Chicago for I-57.
The control city could be St. Louis. There are a few mileage signs listing the distance to St. Louis on NB US 67 north of Little Rock.
https://goo.gl/maps/ySh1xax91A35qYxW6
I'd be willing to bet future I-57 would have St. Louis as its northbound primary, with Sikeston, Poplar Bluff, and Corning as secondaries. One main reason is that AR 440 northbound at I-40 is given St. Louis as a control outside Little Rock, so there's some level of precedent.
Once closer to I-55 (and likely after US 67 breaks from that physical route), mentions of Chicago would be more prominent, until it's the new primary north (east?) of I-55. Again, that's my thought process, and not the end-all be-all.
Same for I-69 going north out of Houston. Currently it is signed with the US-59 control city of Cleveland, but I am sure when I-69 is completed that will change to Shreveport.
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on September 21, 2020, 09:29:19 AM
Same for I-69 going north out of Houston. Currently it is signed with the US-59 control city of Cleveland, but I am sure when I-69 is completed that will change to Shreveport.
Yeah maybe, but I can very well see Lufkin being mentioned first before Shreveport.
Quote from: webny99 on September 21, 2020, 08:18:24 AM
This sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2490005,-79.7656854,3a,44.1y,57.75h,89.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGdT8CUzgTP4MlT9TfwD9dw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) in Pennsylvania refers to an upcoming exit and an upcoming toll, both of which are in New York.
I wonder why Pennsylvania did not have an EXIT 61 tab above the sign? Maybe waiting for New York to decide when to install mileage-based EXIT signs
and what exit number it would be (1, the more likely, or 495)?
Stolen from another thread, this exit is in Nevada, but clearly a California assembly.
https://goo.gl/maps/BZRv55HTvsdz2Hj18 (https://goo.gl/maps/BZRv55HTvsdz2Hj18)
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on September 21, 2020, 09:29:19 AM
Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on September 20, 2020, 11:09:02 PM
Quote from: amroad17 on September 07, 2020, 02:07:59 AM
Quote from: thspfc on September 06, 2020, 10:33:13 PM
Quote from: I-55 on September 06, 2020, 10:22:24 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on September 06, 2020, 09:25:40 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 05, 2020, 05:25:25 PM
I wonder if when the I-57 extension goes through, IDOT will change from "Memphis" to "Little Rock".
Here's a prediction for the I-55 interchange:
The current sign------------------------------Becomes:
60 WEST 57 SOUTH 60 WEST
Dexter Poplar Bluff
Popular Bluff Little Rock AR
It'll be more interesting to see what Arkansas puts as the control city. I could see Jacksonville, Searcy, Jonesboro, and/or Sikeston over Chicago.
If they do choose Chicago as the primary control (doubtful but cetrainly possible), that would be the furthest away primary control city in the country, surpassing Memphis being signed in Chicago for I-57.
The control city could be St. Louis. There are a few mileage signs listing the distance to St. Louis on NB US 67 north of Little Rock.
https://goo.gl/maps/ySh1xax91A35qYxW6
I'd be willing to bet future I-57 would have St. Louis as its northbound primary, with Sikeston, Poplar Bluff, and Corning as secondaries. One main reason is that AR 440 northbound at I-40 is given St. Louis as a control outside Little Rock, so there's some level of precedent.
Once closer to I-55 (and likely after US 67 breaks from that physical route), mentions of Chicago would be more prominent, until it's the new primary north (east?) of I-55. Again, that's my thought process, and not the end-all be-all.
Same for I-69 going north out of Houston. Currently it is signed with the US-59 control city of Cleveland, but I am sure when I-69 is completed that will change to Shreveport.
I would like to point out that the St Louis control is likely there because of US-67 going from Little Rock up to St Louis (mostly as a divided highway) and having nothing to do with the proposed route for I-57. I think the routing of I-57 will take precedent over US-67 to STL but it's still a very cloudy prediction.
A rather unique example:
During the Borman-Kingery expansion in Illinois and Indiana, IDOT put up signs for eastbound traffic regarding the first two Indiana exits, including a set of gantries in Indiana, like this one here. (https://goo.gl/maps/sr2RJEJEGQDWF5ZZ8)
Compare to the westbound Borman, where you can see the mileage counter reset and reference made to Illinois 394 just before the final exit in Indiana (also note the font difference in the cardinal directions; the "WEST" was put on later to correct the "NORTH" that was originally put by I-94). Seen here. (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5743238,-87.4925543,3a,90.000000y,-96.387779h,82.488976t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sYk05ikDxJXgSg7plBixHhA!2e0) References to the rest of the exits at that interchange (Toll I-80/294 and Torrence Avenue) are made after the Calumet Avenue interchange.
The reason behind the IDOT-style signage in Indiana: to ensure a smooth transition between coinciding projects, INDOT sold the final mile of the western Borman to IDOT. Notice the double-RPM placement between stripes (an IDOT staple) starting at Calumet Avenue.
Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on September 26, 2020, 01:42:48 AM
A rather unique example:
During the Borman-Kingery expansion in Illinois and Indiana, IDOT put up signs for eastbound traffic regarding the first two Indiana exits, including a set of gantries in Indiana, like this one here. (https://goo.gl/maps/sr2RJEJEGQDWF5ZZ8)
Compare to the westbound Borman, where you can see the mileage counter reset and reference made to Illinois 394 just before the final exit in Indiana (also note the font difference in the cardinal directions; the "WEST" was put on later to correct the "NORTH" that was originally put by I-94). Seen here. (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5743238,-87.4925543,3a,90.000000y,-96.387779h,82.488976t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sYk05ikDxJXgSg7plBixHhA!2e0) References to the rest of the exits at that interchange (Toll I-80/294 and Torrence Avenue) are made after the Calumet Avenue interchange.
The reason behind the IDOT-style signage in Indiana: to ensure a smooth transition between coinciding projects, INDOT sold the final mile of the western Borman to IDOT. Notice the double-RPM placement between stripes (an IDOT staple) starting at Calumet Avenue.
Never realized the sign I can see out the back of my house was from IDOT and not INDOT.
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 26, 2020, 11:34:01 AMNever realized the sign I can see out the back of my house was from IDOT and not INDOT.
Just to be clear (which I apologize for not clarifying in the original post): the IL 394/I-94 sign was built by INDOT. Everything else west of Calumet is all IDOT.
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3549754,-77.0428845,3a,75y,105.58h,90.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1FMX8HDpS8YssWYu1ZV1Ww!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) is northbound U.S. 301 in King George County, Virginia. Followed by this (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3578187,-77.0273097,3a,75y,75.34h,101.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spAmqIrOhbazsZxvFhkzyHA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) and then this (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3587081,-77.0198796,3a,75y,75.34h,101.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAsM66oNFh6lgj4u6e1gbtA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) and finally this (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.35892,-77.0179194,3a,25.1y,103.97h,92.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQ2VlQa_gdVjUgl7ZpZ0CGw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). Approaching the Harry W. Nice/Mac Middleton Bridge (a toll crossing entirely in Maryland and maintained by MDTA) over the lower Potomac River. A replacement bridge is under construction here now, which means the third of these signs will go away when the new bridge is open to traffic.
These signs are rather identical or similar in design to signs installed approaching and on some other Maryland toll crossings. Not sure if they were installed by VDOT or by MDTA, though all four look like MDTA installations.
Quote from: nwi_navigator_1181 on September 26, 2020, 05:29:32 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 26, 2020, 11:34:01 AMNever realized the sign I can see out the back of my house was from IDOT and not INDOT.
Just to be clear (which I apologize for not clarifying in the original post): the IL 394/I-94 sign was built by INDOT. Everything else west of Calumet is all IDOT.
I understood that. The sign I can see is the sign that's ½ mile to Calumet and 2 miles to Indpls.
This (https://goo.gl/maps/74z5xEFErKMdd6ZGA)sign at the southern end of I-35 in Superior, WI looks like the work of MNDOT.
A couple hundred miles further south, there's this (https://goo.gl/maps/9i7ZRUjYTzSYPeWr7)bizarre sign assembly along US-14 suspiciously close to the Wisconsin border. It looks like a WisDOT-style overhead sign assembly with MNDOT signage.
That's I-535.
Quote from: Rothman on September 27, 2020, 11:10:09 AM
That's I-535.
What I meant. I must've been typing too fast. My bad :-D
This sign assembly is on the Purchase Parkway/US 51 in Kentucky, but it's definitely a Tennessee installation. You can tell by the gantry design. Kentucky would use an "erector set" instead of the single support post.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/360/32083778485_1e4e7eddb0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QT8Kyz)2016 Alabama Meet Trip Day 1 - 352 (https://flic.kr/p/QT8Kyz) by H.B. Elkins (https://www.flickr.com/photos/hbelkins/), on Flickr
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 26, 2020, 05:54:58 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3549754,-77.0428845,3a,75y,105.58h,90.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1FMX8HDpS8YssWYu1ZV1Ww!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) is northbound U.S. 301 in King George County, Virginia. Followed by this (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3578187,-77.0273097,3a,75y,75.34h,101.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spAmqIrOhbazsZxvFhkzyHA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) and then this (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3587081,-77.0198796,3a,75y,75.34h,101.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAsM66oNFh6lgj4u6e1gbtA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) and finally this (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.35892,-77.0179194,3a,25.1y,103.97h,92.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQ2VlQa_gdVjUgl7ZpZ0CGw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). Approaching the Harry W. Nice/Mac Middleton Bridge (a toll crossing entirely in Maryland and maintained by MDTA) over the lower Potomac River. A replacement bridge is under construction here now, which means the third of these signs will go away when the new bridge is open to traffic.
These signs are rather identical or similar in design to signs installed approaching and on some other Maryland toll crossings. Not sure if they were installed by VDOT or by MDTA, though all four look like MDTA installations.
Yeah those definitely look like MDTA installations. I've never seen VDOT (or any VA agency for that matter) use signs like that.
Quote from: plain on September 28, 2020, 02:22:20 AM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on September 26, 2020, 05:54:58 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3549754,-77.0428845,3a,75y,105.58h,90.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1FMX8HDpS8YssWYu1ZV1Ww!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) is northbound U.S. 301 in King George County, Virginia. Followed by this (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3578187,-77.0273097,3a,75y,75.34h,101.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spAmqIrOhbazsZxvFhkzyHA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) and then this (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.3587081,-77.0198796,3a,75y,75.34h,101.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAsM66oNFh6lgj4u6e1gbtA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) and finally this (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.35892,-77.0179194,3a,25.1y,103.97h,92.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQ2VlQa_gdVjUgl7ZpZ0CGw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). Approaching the Harry W. Nice/Mac Middleton Bridge (a toll crossing entirely in Maryland and maintained by MDTA) over the lower Potomac River. A replacement bridge is under construction here now, which means the third of these signs will go away when the new bridge is open to traffic.
These signs are rather identical or similar in design to signs installed approaching and on some other Maryland toll crossings. Not sure if they were installed by VDOT or by MDTA, though all four look like MDTA installations.
Yeah those definitely look like MDTA installations. I've never seen VDOT (or any VA agency for that matter) use signs like that.
I am not sure who installed these. It could be that MDTA did the design and engineering, purchased everything, then VDOT forces (or a VDOT contractor) did the install. But that is speculation on my part.
Quote from: webny99 on September 21, 2020, 08:18:24 AM
This sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2490005,-79.7656854,3a,44.1y,57.75h,89.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGdT8CUzgTP4MlT9TfwD9dw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) in Pennsylvania refers to an upcoming exit and an upcoming toll, both of which are in New York.
As does this MoDOT sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0003336,-94.6020769,3a,21.8y,289.79h,90.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss-bcwm68R_wiy03om7VMyg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) warning drivers of the perilous fate that awaits them should they not exit to US-166/400. (Overhead signs further on down also give I-44 "TOLL" banners, despite the fact that the toll road technically doesn't start for a while longer.)
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 29, 2020, 07:29:15 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 21, 2020, 08:18:24 AM
This sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2490005,-79.7656854,3a,44.1y,57.75h,89.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGdT8CUzgTP4MlT9TfwD9dw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) in Pennsylvania refers to an upcoming exit and an upcoming toll, both of which are in New York.
As does this MoDOT sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0003336,-94.6020769,3a,21.8y,289.79h,90.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss-bcwm68R_wiy03om7VMyg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) warning drivers of the perilous fate that awaits them should they not exit to US-166/400. (Overhead signs further on down also give I-44 "TOLL" banners, despite the fact that the toll road technically doesn't start for a while longer.)
Going from memory here, and things may have changed, but going in the other direction, there's no mention of the US 166/US 400 exit in Oklahoma. You don't see signage until you get to Missouri, and the first exit signage is a 1/4-mile advance sign.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 30, 2020, 10:59:18 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 29, 2020, 07:29:15 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 21, 2020, 08:18:24 AM
This sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2490005,-79.7656854,3a,44.1y,57.75h,89.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGdT8CUzgTP4MlT9TfwD9dw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) in Pennsylvania refers to an upcoming exit and an upcoming toll, both of which are in New York.
As does this MoDOT sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0003336,-94.6020769,3a,21.8y,289.79h,90.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss-bcwm68R_wiy03om7VMyg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) warning drivers of the perilous fate that awaits them should they not exit to US-166/400. (Overhead signs further on down also give I-44 "TOLL" banners, despite the fact that the toll road technically doesn't start for a while longer.)
Going from memory here, and things may have changed, but going in the other direction, there's no mention of the US 166/US 400 exit in Oklahoma. You don't see signage until you get to Missouri, and the first exit signage is a 1/4-mile advance sign.
That used to be the case when I used this section of highway often. Since then, MoDOT has placed a one-mile advance sign in Oklahoma.
https://goo.gl/maps/XvJtVPVP5e6Atr8JA (https://goo.gl/maps/XvJtVPVP5e6Atr8JA)
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5533865,-80.7423949,3a,75y,58.32h,93.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFMOuutgGqDhkj11bKdE0kQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 - I-77 in NC just before entering VA.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3294221,-102.0531657,3a,75y,99.29h,83.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSikYM7Iv45IcXO_TiSOqlQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 - I-70 in CO just before entering KS.
Quote from: milbfan on October 04, 2020, 05:03:59 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3294221,-102.0531657,3a,75y,99.29h,83.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSikYM7Iv45IcXO_TiSOqlQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 - I-70 in CO just before entering KS.
I'm pretty sure KDOT snuck into CO to put that up. The thin bar on the back connecting the two uprights is a hallmark of KDOT signage.
Quote from: webny99 on September 21, 2020, 08:18:24 AM
This sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2490005,-79.7656854,3a,44.1y,57.75h,89.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGdT8CUzgTP4MlT9TfwD9dw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) in Pennsylvania refers to an upcoming exit and an upcoming toll, both of which are in New York.
New York (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0018328,-77.1336467,3a,75y,241.08h,81.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smdCNVNh9Z5X__Yj5xOUnqw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1) reciprocates on US 15, although this is definitely a PennDOT install in NY (the state line sign is the border).
Then you have the agencies working together (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9985173,-76.5486849,3a,60y,178.92h,82.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLngIKYHr3m4X_dNpGd5Oyg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1). Okay, this interchange is entirely in PA, but my guess is that NY maintains this interchange and NY 17 but PA did the signs. This means NY guardrail holding up a PA "No Littering" sign and a "State Speed Limit 55"...except PA doesn't do that. This situation reminds me of a certain parkway...
But wait! It gets even weirder! Going NB, (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9967669,-76.548355,3a,19.7y,2.33h,89.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVqVhbGTg0C3xgfYCI5txgQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) you do not get an "entering NY" sign. You're presented with (what I think) is NYSDOT signs in PA. You don't know you've crossed the line until you clear the interchange and see the "Entering Waverly" NYSDOT sign and a "Welcome to Waverly NY" town-erected sign. This is also juxtaposed with a few PA signs (I think "Emergency Parking Only") and PA road construction (Jersey barrier).
The same deal happens at NY 17's exit 61, though this situation is far more straightforward; NY maintains the interchange area, so you get NYSDOT signs around the interchange, although PA did erect this assembly (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9980307,-76.5231351,3a,75y,4.91h,85.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYare5hZHU7FGT1d2ejNc3Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1).
Quote from: webny99 on September 21, 2020, 08:18:24 AM
This sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2490005,-79.7656854,3a,44.1y,57.75h,89.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGdT8CUzgTP4MlT9TfwD9dw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) in Pennsylvania refers to an upcoming exit and an upcoming toll, both of which are in New York.
Looking at the GSV photo linked, here's one way I could tell the sign was a PennDOT creation: it uses Clearview, which is common in PA but virtually nonexistent in NY. (At least I don't remember seeing any Clearview signs in New York, but then again, I haven't visited that state since 2010.)
A South Carolina-style sign in North Carolina. It's fading and needs replacement. North Carolina signs are not square nor they are extruded or have attached exit tabs.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1091293,-80.9281268,3a,40.4y,208.88h,98.8t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1si1i549il3a4FtQxw3J5Ixg!2e0!5s20211001T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Di1i549il3a4FtQxw3J5Ixg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D189.22775%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
On I-95 in Attleboro, MA, there are two Connecticut style signs with the center tab for the first two Rhode Island exits just before crossing into Rhode Island, as a bonus, not even near Connecticut.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on January 15, 2022, 07:17:13 AM
On I-95 in Attleboro, MA, there are two Connecticut style signs with the center tab for the first two Rhode Island exits just before crossing into Rhode Island, as a bonus, not even near Connecticut.
I see where you're talking, but looking at GSV and the change in pavement line, that gantry is about 10 feet into RI.
I was expecting someone to mention that there's a Clearview sign in California, except it was put up by ADOT to refer to Exit 1 of I-10 in Arizona.
But wait a minute... it's not there anymore! According to GSV (compare May 2019 with March 2021), it's been replaced with a Caltrans spec sign!?!?
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6056159,-114.5350825,3a,75y,110.55h,80.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sB2yQQo0ycdFnv70a-3_pzQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Clearview is not used in North Carolina, so this is definitely a VDOT sign.
https://goo.gl/maps/1ZrJG1qq2ov5RCy49
Iowa-erected sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4976154,-96.4848793,3a,15y,167.43h,93.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5CNnemuWFrydiW54Bw9VZA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) fully inside South Dakota. If you look at the historical images, you can see the old Clearview sign. Heading NB, SD did not return the favor, and the "Exit 1" sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4947804,-96.4750204,3a,75y,301.84h,89.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgvMy7dLCOR7GqOB_FztFYw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) in Iowa is put up by Iowa.
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 15, 2022, 05:01:43 AM
A South Carolina-style sign in North Carolina. It's fading and needs replacement. North Carolina signs are not square nor they are extruded or have attached exit tabs.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1091293,-80.9281268,3a,40.4y,208.88h,98.8t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1si1i549il3a4FtQxw3J5Ixg!2e0!5s20211001T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Di1i549il3a4FtQxw3J5Ixg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D189.22775%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
SCDOT has (I think) just finished a sign replacement project along all of York County I-77 that IMO was a bit half-assed. They did do a few good things like move several ground mounted signs to new cantilever gantries, but they missed some signs. I believe the one you described should most definitely have been replaced, as well as the first assembly on Carowinds Blvd. as you're leaving the amusement park (the second assembly was replaced).
Anyway, there are lots of signs in KY and WV along I-64 for upcoming exits in the adjacent state. Most of the regular guide signs are the handiwork of the state they are in, except for the blue service logo signs, which are the handiwork of the other state.
Quote from: wriddle082 on February 25, 2022, 11:30:29 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 15, 2022, 05:01:43 AM
A South Carolina-style sign in North Carolina. It's fading and needs replacement. North Carolina signs are not square nor they are extruded or have attached exit tabs.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1091293,-80.9281268,3a,40.4y,208.88h,98.8t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1si1i549il3a4FtQxw3J5Ixg!2e0!5s20211001T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Di1i549il3a4FtQxw3J5Ixg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D189.22775%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
SCDOT has (I think) just finished a sign replacement project along all of York County I-77 that IMO was a bit half-assed. They did do a few good things like move several ground mounted signs to new cantilever gantries, but they missed some signs. I believe the one you described should most definitely have been replaced, as well as the first assembly on Carowinds Blvd. as you're leaving the amusement park (the second assembly was replaced).
So, I wonder if NCDOT will replace that fading sign instead!
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 25, 2022, 11:56:49 AM
Quote from: wriddle082 on February 25, 2022, 11:30:29 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 15, 2022, 05:01:43 AM
A South Carolina-style sign in North Carolina. It's fading and needs replacement. North Carolina signs are not square nor they are extruded or have attached exit tabs.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1091293,-80.9281268,3a,40.4y,208.88h,98.8t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1si1i549il3a4FtQxw3J5Ixg!2e0!5s20211001T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Di1i549il3a4FtQxw3J5Ixg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D189.22775%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
SCDOT has (I think) just finished a sign replacement project along all of York County I-77 that IMO was a bit half-assed. They did do a few good things like move several ground mounted signs to new cantilever gantries, but they missed some signs. I believe the one you described should most definitely have been replaced, as well as the first assembly on Carowinds Blvd. as you’re leaving the amusement park (the second assembly was replaced).
So, I wonder if NCDOT will replace that fading sign instead!
Why would NCDOT spend money to replace something that isn't theirs to begin with? Looks like an SCDOT style gantry too.
Quote from: US 89 on February 25, 2022, 02:25:38 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 25, 2022, 11:56:49 AM
Quote from: wriddle082 on February 25, 2022, 11:30:29 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 15, 2022, 05:01:43 AM
A South Carolina-style sign in North Carolina. It's fading and needs replacement. North Carolina signs are not square nor they are extruded or have attached exit tabs.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1091293,-80.9281268,3a,40.4y,208.88h,98.8t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1si1i549il3a4FtQxw3J5Ixg!2e0!5s20211001T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Di1i549il3a4FtQxw3J5Ixg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D189.22775%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
SCDOT has (I think) just finished a sign replacement project along all of York County I-77 that IMO was a bit half-assed. They did do a few good things like move several ground mounted signs to new cantilever gantries, but they missed some signs. I believe the one you described should most definitely have been replaced, as well as the first assembly on Carowinds Blvd. as you're leaving the amusement park (the second assembly was replaced).
So, I wonder if NCDOT will replace that fading sign instead!
Why would NCDOT spend money to replace something that isn't theirs to begin with? Looks like an SCDOT style gantry too.
Because SCDOT won't replace the fading sign!
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 25, 2022, 03:25:53 PM
Quote from: US 89 on February 25, 2022, 02:25:38 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 25, 2022, 11:56:49 AM
Quote from: wriddle082 on February 25, 2022, 11:30:29 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on January 15, 2022, 05:01:43 AM
A South Carolina-style sign in North Carolina. It's fading and needs replacement. North Carolina signs are not square nor they are extruded or have attached exit tabs.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1091293,-80.9281268,3a,40.4y,208.88h,98.8t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1si1i549il3a4FtQxw3J5Ixg!2e0!5s20211001T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Di1i549il3a4FtQxw3J5Ixg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D189.22775%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
SCDOT has (I think) just finished a sign replacement project along all of York County I-77 that IMO was a bit half-assed. They did do a few good things like move several ground mounted signs to new cantilever gantries, but they missed some signs. I believe the one you described should most definitely have been replaced, as well as the first assembly on Carowinds Blvd. as you're leaving the amusement park (the second assembly was replaced).
So, I wonder if NCDOT will replace that fading sign instead!
Why would NCDOT spend money to replace something that isn't theirs to begin with? Looks like an SCDOT style gantry too.
Because SCDOT won't replace the fading sign!
That's...not how that works
PA 652 in Narrowsburg, NY:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54014750330_c4db378237_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2qi6HqN)
Quote from: Rothman on September 22, 2024, 06:48:37 PMPA 652 in Narrowsburg, NY:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54014750330_c4db378237_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2qi6HqN)
Apparently they don't believe in up arrow for straight traffic in NY.
PA signs NJ 90 because the section of the bridge on the PA side is not numbered:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0049299,-75.0762798,3a,75y,219.01h,86.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1spSqRWG7qANPT1ODrZSv_CA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DpSqRWG7qANPT1ODrZSv_CA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D315.76523%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDkxNi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
NYS Thruway signs NJ 17
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.124918,-74.1656349,3a,75y,140.47h,88.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqoQ5bS0K-RJ6Z6gINs2-iw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDkxNi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
NJ does not return the favor:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1015668,-74.169097,3a,75y,349.77h,97.54t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sSyzUwnpYrvSuZy_hFpG_zw!2e0!5s20220701T000000!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDkxNi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
(it's technically correct because I-287 is concurrent with NJ/NY 17, but by the same token NY could have signed NY 17, not NJ 17)
In fact, it's very rare to see any NJDOT or NJTA installations with out-of-state shields or trailblazers. Here is PA Turnpike on US 130:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1018075,-74.7943742,3a,75y,45.72h,87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srDOar2tI72Gpl48PzjxDcw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MDkxNi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
I'm pretty sure this is NJDOT, on 287 north in Mahwah approaching the NY border. It still references the Tappan Zee Br: https://maps.app.goo.gl/dG5eTATUK8PhhRha6
Quote from: crispy93 on October 01, 2024, 11:14:24 AMI'm pretty sure this is NJDOT, on 287 north in Mahwah approaching the NY border. It still references the Tappan Zee Br: https://maps.app.goo.gl/dG5eTATUK8PhhRha6
That's actually a NYSDOT or NYSTA sign, though still in NJ. It probably dates back to when I-287 was finished.
Somewhat off topic, but the electronic sign at the entrance to the WV Turnpike, as least as of Sunday, had the grossly overbroad statement "Travel to North Carolina and Tennessee not recommended".
The vast majority of NC bound traffic would either remain on 77, which is open, or take "74" (US 52) and head east. The current preferred alternate to I-40 is the normal way traffic at that point would go to Tennessee, which is I-81 to its junction with 40 near Knoxville.
Something like "I-40 closed west of Asheville" would be better.