I was wondering, is anyone here planning to buy a smart faucet?
I'm planning to buy the U by Moen Smart Faucet, either on Prime Day or Black Friday. In our case this is the only one that will work for us, since it is the only one that can run on batteries (the Delta VoiceIQ and Kohler Sensate with Konnect require an unswitched power outlet, which the only one under our sink is taken by our dishwasher, with the other half being switched and taken by the garbage disposal). I think it is pretty cool that you can link it with Alexa the faucet can dispense a specific amount of water or water at a specific temperature.
https://youtu.be/J1FVsVE54Qw
Why the fuck is this even a thing?
No, if anything I need less gimmick appliances since my wife tends to bring them into the equation as a novelty.
It's just another thing that can break down. And what are you supposed to do in five years when the software isn't compatible with your phone anymore?
Only if I can also get the smart dish soap and smart sponge that go with it. :-D
I always thought my faucets were smart enough when the knobs could turn them on and off and adjust the pressure and temperature.
It's okay, though. I've also been accused of having a "solution in search of a problem."
And to think there's this amazing technology that rarely breaks down and relies on no batteries whatsoever to control the faucet. A hand and adjusting the temperature manually with the faucet.
I think I'll pass on most of these "smart" home ideas.
I don't like my plumbing fixtures to be smarter than I am. :-(
Seriously, though, sound interesting. We of course expect a full report. IOW (wait for it)... let us know how it comes out. :awesomeface:
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 25, 2020, 01:07:32 AM
It's just another thing that can break down. And what are you supposed to do in five years when the software isn't compatible with your phone anymore?
This. It's already happening with dozens of things, where not only the problem you specified but as well the manufacturer deprecates the software and you're left with a paperweight.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 25, 2020, 01:07:32 AM
It's just another thing that can break down. And what are you supposed to do in five years when the software isn't compatible with your phone anymore?
It probably just becomes a regular faucet instead of a fairer faucet.
We have a refrigerator with Wi-Fi capability, though only to set the temperature and find out if the door was left open...though we didn't buy it because it had those features. As soon as I downloaded the app, it asked for an email and password because it isn't really that smart...so I've never proceeded further with those silly features. We turned off the Wi-Fi because that's just another drain on bandwidth.
In any case, we now have a larger, wider, and deeper fridge which makes ice and water which is all we wanted without compromise.
With a smart faucet can I hack into your computer and flood your house when you're not home? That seems fun.
Quote from: corco on August 25, 2020, 10:12:20 AM
With a smart faucet can I hack into your computer and flood your house when you're not home? That seems fun.
I don't think he's considering the smart drain plug, though.
Heck, we're thinking of replacing the kitchen faucet, and I've been wondering if it would be over the top to buy one whose faucet doubles as the spray wand.
I think we'll just go old school and get a flip faucet.
I would be mildly interested in a faucet that operates hands-free when you stick either your hands or the dishes underneath it, provided the sensor works better than the ones you encounter in public restrooms where if you don't hold your hands in exactly the right spot, the water turns off and then turns on for a split second when you're moving them around trying to find the right spot. I know those sorts of faucets exist for home use, but I don't know how much they cost.
We currently have a kitchen faucet where the end pulls out for use as a spray wand and I like the faucet, but my problem is that the tubing or whatever you call it that slides out of the faucet when you pull out the end has gotten a couple of pinholes over the years such that it sprays out the sides. You have to grip that tubing in your fist to prevent water from spraying too much, and that makes it hard to use the faucet that way. Hence why the idea of replacing it has occurred to me, but it's a low priority since we're also having the house repainted and most of the windows replaced.
We do have some "smart devices"–some smart light bulbs and a wifi-enabled thermostat. I use the app to control the thermostat less often than I expected before we got it because it also has a "vacation" mode–you tell it when you're leaving and when you're coming home and it adjusts automatically. Tell you what, though, last June having the app to control it was very useful when we came home from Toronto two days earlier than planned because my father was dying. I was able to adjust the thermostat when we stopped for dinner in Bedford, Pennsylvania, so the house had cooled off by the time we got home. The smart light bulbs have been great. Among other things, we can control each bulb in a fixture individually–so, for example, if we're both sitting on the family room couch and I'm watching baseball while my wife wants to read, I can turn on just the one overhead bulb for her side of the couch so the other two bulbs don't cast a glare on the TV screen. We also don't need to wire a dimmer switch because we can voice-control what percentage brightness we want at any given time.
What I would like to have, but do not because it was too expensive when we got our dryer and it wasn't offered when we got our washer, is laundry machines that will ding your mobile phone when the cycle is complete. As it is I set a timer, but that's always inexact unless I use a time cycle on the dryer.
Quote from: Brandon on August 25, 2020, 07:16:27 AM
And to think there's this amazing technology that rarely breaks down and relies on no batteries whatsoever to control the faucet. A hand and adjusting the temperature manually with the faucet.
I mean, I like the idea of being able to control the temperature to the precise degree. But not enough to spend more money on it. And it probably wouldn't even work properly in my house, anyway, because I have copper piping and I have to run the faucet for a few minutes to get actually-hot water out of it.
Quote from: formulanone on August 25, 2020, 09:04:22 AM
It probably just becomes a regular faucet instead of a fairer faucet.
I wouldn't necessarily make that assumption. In the last ten years, corporate electronics have definitely skewed toward devices becoming disposable. (But without the price decreases to justify that.) My 10-year-old iPad, for instance, still works just fine, hardware wise. I only use it for YouTube because I don't have much other need for a tablet. Except I started getting error messages from the YouTube app saying "You must update YouTube to continue." Go to the App Store... "This version of YouTube is not compatible with this device."
Another reason why I insist on open-source software whenever possible.
Quote from: kphoger on August 25, 2020, 03:26:51 PM
Heck, we're thinking of replacing the kitchen faucet, and I've been wondering if it would be over the top to buy one whose faucet doubles as the spray wand.
Our house came with one of those. It's pretty convenient. Of course, I grew up in a pair of houses where the spray wand never worked, for whatever reason (what causes that, anyway?) so having a spray wand at all kind of feels like a luxury.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 25, 2020, 03:43:45 PM
I like the idea of being able to control the temperature to the precise degree.
I'm not. Other than the bathtub/shower, I never need a specific temperature of water in the house. In the kitchen, I either need (a) full cold water, (b) full hot water, or (c) somewhere/anywhere in between for washing dishes.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 25, 2020, 03:43:45 PM
I grew up in a pair of houses where the spray wand never worked, for whatever reason (what causes that, anyway?) so having a spray wand at all kind of feels like a luxury.
The reason we're thinking of replacing ours is that the main faucet loses water pressure every so often. We can then turn it off and right back on again, and the water pressure is normal for a while. I've checked the aerator and the cartridges but don't see any clogs. So we're thinking it's the diverter, such that the main faucet sometimes "thinks" the spray wand is in use sometimes. Not totally sure, though. All that is to say, perhaps the diverter was the cause of your non-functioning spray wand.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 25, 2020, 03:43:45 PM
Quote from: Brandon on August 25, 2020, 07:16:27 AM
And to think there's this amazing technology that rarely breaks down and relies on no batteries whatsoever to control the faucet. A hand and adjusting the temperature manually with the faucet.
I mean, I like the idea of being able to control the temperature to the precise degree. But not enough to spend more money on it. And it probably wouldn't even work properly in my house, anyway, because I have copper piping and I have to run the faucet for a few minutes to get actually-hot water out of it.
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We don't have copper piping and I often have to do what you describe, especially in the morning when I go to shower. I've always just assumed that's a function of my showering up on the third floor while the hot water heater is two floors down in the basement, such that it takes 30 seconds to a minute before hot water comes out. Maybe it's not "for a few minutes" depending on how you meant that phrase, but the hot water is definitely not instantaneous.
If I ever need water heated to a particular temperature for something, I use my wife's Instant Pot Zen teakettle. You set what temperature you want the water heated to and press the button and it heats it. The thing is FAST. I love using it to boil the water to cook pasta because it's a lot faster than filling a pot on the stove and waiting for it to boil.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 25, 2020, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 25, 2020, 03:43:45 PM
Quote from: Brandon on August 25, 2020, 07:16:27 AM
And to think there's this amazing technology that rarely breaks down and relies on no batteries whatsoever to control the faucet. A hand and adjusting the temperature manually with the faucet.
I mean, I like the idea of being able to control the temperature to the precise degree. But not enough to spend more money on it. And it probably wouldn't even work properly in my house, anyway, because I have copper piping and I have to run the faucet for a few minutes to get actually-hot water out of it.
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We don't have copper piping and I often have to do what you describe, especially in the morning when I go to shower. I've always just assumed that's a function of my showering up on the third floor while the hot water heater is two floors down in the basement, such that it takes 30 seconds to a minute before hot water comes out. Maybe it's not "for a few minutes" depending on how you meant that phrase, but the hot water is definitely not instantaneous.
If I ever need water heated to a particular temperature for something, I use my wife's Instant Pot Zen teakettle. You set what temperature you want the water heated to and press the button and it heats it. The thing is FAST. I love using it to boil the water to cook pasta because it's a lot faster than filling a pot on the stove and waiting for it to boil.
I have copper piping and still have that issue. Copper isn't really any better than steel at retaining heat, and both are worse than the new flexible piping. In fact the types of plastic piping that has come out in the last decade or so can be superior to copper depending on the quality of your water. Way better than PVC.
That being said, I don't think it costs THAT much to lose heat overnight in your copper pipes.
The time it takes to get hot water in my house is a function of the distance from water heater to tap.
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copper
Several years ago, we did have the problem of the black rubber lining inside a flexible hose having deteriorated, such that small pieces would come out the tap in bathtub, and I'd have to fish them out of the bath water. That hose has since been replaced with copper.
Yeah, the distance is definitely a factor, since the shower I use most frequently is at the far end of the house from the heater. I definitely think that the piping has something to do with it, though, since once the pipes are warmed up from me using the shower, I can get instant hot water from any tap in the house for a time.
I feel like PVC piping would produce hot water faster, since it doesn't transfer heat as much as copper does, but I may be wrong.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 25, 2020, 03:43:45 PM
Quote from: formulanone on August 25, 2020, 09:04:22 AM
It probably just becomes a regular faucet instead of a fairer faucet.
I wouldn't necessarily make that assumption. In the last ten years, corporate electronics have definitely skewed toward devices becoming disposable. (But without the price decreases to justify that.) My 10-year-old iPad, for instance, still works just fine, hardware wise. I only use it for YouTube because I don't have much other need for a tablet. Except I started getting error messages from the YouTube app saying "You must update YouTube to continue." Go to the App Store... "This version of YouTube is not compatible with this device."
Another reason why I insist on open-source software whenever possible.
Looking it up, it's still a mechanical device with some plastic valves, some tubing, and a few nuts that happens to have some brainy bits thrown in to show off; maybe a serious restaurant kitchen can make the most of it while performing other tasks, but it all seems like tech for tech's sake rather than any actual benefit.
We have an iPad 1 and 2 which aren't very good for anything right now, except to play a few kiddie games that can't be updated...They were freebies from their grandfather. I think I'm spoiled by the days of the late-1990s WWW sites which actually tried to make sure it was as backward-compatible as possible, but that ship seemed to go adrift at least a decade ago. The four-year-old "smart TV" won't run some apps (or so I'm told) without a Fire Stick to help it play the CBS application. I like that it can play a YouTube video, but it annoys the heck out of me that it takes 30-60 seconds to actually make anything appear on the screen after pressing the Power button. I guess they figure if the masses buy replaceable tech in new phones and tablets every 3-5 years, or a new PC every 4-5 years, why not every other appliance? :/
So yeah, hands have gotten civilization pretty darn far for the past four million years.
The hell is a smart faucet?
"Alexa, turn on my kitchen sink at 100 degrees"
Oh no, you forgot to turn it off? Too bad you can't get Black Friday deals on your water bill.
Does the "Smart Faucet" have a way to hook up to Alexa, just lake everything in a house these days?
Quote from: corco on August 25, 2020, 10:12:20 AM
With a smart faucet can I hack into your computer and flood your house when you're not home? That seems fun.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on August 26, 2020, 12:08:47 AM
just lake everything in a house
I think that's
corco's plan.
Quote from: kphoger on August 26, 2020, 09:36:46 AM
Quote from: corco on August 25, 2020, 10:12:20 AM
With a smart faucet can I hack into your computer and flood your house when you're not home? That seems fun.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on August 26, 2020, 12:08:47 AM
just lake everything in a house
I think that's corco's plan.
Very nicely played! :thumbsup:
With a name like "corco," I thought he'd be more likely to hack in to seal off your water supply so you get no water at all.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 26, 2020, 04:10:25 PM
With a name like "corco," I thought he'd be more likely to hack in to seal off your water supply so you get no water at all.
Until you find a really long sharp object.
Nope. Not me. Not now. Not EVER! 👎👎
Quote from: Pink Jazz on August 24, 2020, 11:03:03 PM
I was wondering, is anyone here planning to buy a smart faucet?
I'm planning to buy the U by Moen Smart Faucet, either on Prime Day or Black Friday. In our case this is the only one that will work for us, since it is the only one that can run on batteries (the Delta VoiceIQ and Kohler Sensate with Konnect require an unswitched power outlet, which the only one under our sink is taken by our dishwasher, with the other half being switched and taken by the garbage disposal). I think it is pretty cool that you can link it with Alexa the faucet can dispense a specific amount of water or water at a specific temperature.
I will not. I have Phobias that limit my installation of Water Pipes to mainly things such as Yard Hydrants.
... Wait ... How is only one half of a receptacle switched?
Quote from: In_Correct on August 28, 2020, 12:54:09 PM
Quote from: Pink Jazz on August 24, 2020, 11:03:03 PM
I was wondering, is anyone here planning to buy a smart faucet?
I'm planning to buy the U by Moen Smart Faucet, either on Prime Day or Black Friday. In our case this is the only one that will work for us, since it is the only one that can run on batteries (the Delta VoiceIQ and Kohler Sensate with Konnect require an unswitched power outlet, which the only one under our sink is taken by our dishwasher, with the other half being switched and taken by the garbage disposal). I think it is pretty cool that you can link it with Alexa the faucet can dispense a specific amount of water or water at a specific temperature.
I will not. I have Phobias that limit my installation of Water Pipes to mainly things such as Yard Hydrants.
... Wait ... How is only one half of a receptacle switched?
Some duplex outlets have a tab that can be broken off that then provides a separate connection for the hot side of each plug. I've got one in my living room that has the bottom plug wired to a switch by the front door (we have a floor lamp in it) and the top is hot all the time.
Here's what they look like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1EHYfD_nww
Quote from: catch22 on August 28, 2020, 05:49:04 PM
Quote from: In_Correct on August 28, 2020, 12:54:09 PM
Quote from: Pink Jazz on August 24, 2020, 11:03:03 PM
I was wondering, is anyone here planning to buy a smart faucet?
I'm planning to buy the U by Moen Smart Faucet, either on Prime Day or Black Friday. In our case this is the only one that will work for us, since it is the only one that can run on batteries (the Delta VoiceIQ and Kohler Sensate with Konnect require an unswitched power outlet, which the only one under our sink is taken by our dishwasher, with the other half being switched and taken by the garbage disposal). I think it is pretty cool that you can link it with Alexa the faucet can dispense a specific amount of water or water at a specific temperature.
I will not. I have Phobias that limit my installation of Water Pipes to mainly things such as Yard Hydrants.
... Wait ... How is only one half of a receptacle switched?
Some duplex outlets have a tab that can be broken off that then provides a separate connection for the hot side of each plug. I've got one in my living room that has the bottom plug wired to a switch by the front door (we have a floor lamp in it) and the top is hot all the time.
Interesting, because every time I've seen this, it's the top outlet that's switched and the bottom one that's always on.
We installed our U by Moen this month, and we have so far been happy with it. We have not had issues with dropped connections with Wi-Fi or with Alexa, and the commands seem to work properly. It was actually more difficult to remove the old faucet than it was to install the new faucet.
Responding to the post about forgetting to turn off the faucet, the faucet has an auto-shutoff timer that can be changed in the Moen app.
No. I'd love to have lights go on & off as I enter/leave a room. :spin:
Quote from: allniter89 on October 24, 2020, 12:06:51 AM
No. I'd love to have lights go on & off as I enter/leave a room. :spin:
I have those where I work. Not all they're cracked up to be.
Quote from: renegade on October 24, 2020, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: allniter89 on October 24, 2020, 12:06:51 AM
No. I'd love to have lights go on & off as I enter/leave a room. :spin:
I have those where I work. Not all they're cracked up to be.
It's fun when they're in a conference room, and the lights go off because no one moved enough to keep them on. A really rousing meeting!
Quote from: GaryV on October 24, 2020, 01:42:18 PM
It's fun when they're in a conference room, and the lights go off because no one moved enough to keep them on. A really rousing meeting!
And it's "fun" when that happens while you're in a bathroom stall!
Quote from: renegade on October 24, 2020, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: allniter89 on October 24, 2020, 12:06:51 AM
No. I'd love to have lights go on & off as I enter/leave a room. :spin:
I have those where I work. Not all they're cracked up to be.
How so? The Publix here has its frozen section automatic, they stay off until a shopper approches.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 25, 2020, 01:07:32 AM
It's just another thing that can break down. And what are you supposed to do in five years when the software isn't compatible with your phone anymore?
Thats why I dont like electric windows in a car, its just something that will stop working.
Quote from: GaryV on October 24, 2020, 01:42:18 PM
Quote from: renegade on October 24, 2020, 12:58:29 PM
Quote from: allniter89 on October 24, 2020, 12:06:51 AM
No. I'd love to have lights go on & off as I enter/leave a room. :spin:
I have those where I work. Not all they're cracked up to be.
It's fun when they're in a conference room, and the lights go off because no one moved enough to keep them on. A really rousing meeting!
Quote from: stridentweasel on October 24, 2020, 04:17:06 PM
And it's "fun" when that happens while you're in a bathroom stall!
During my brief time at a university (I slacked off), I came to enjoy the automatic lights in the laundry room in the basement of the girls' dorm building. Every so often, I would do a whole bunch of my laundry and a whole bunch of my girlfriend's laundry at the same time. Sometimes, it was enough to fill three or four washers and driers. There were six of each in that building, but I only think I filled them all one time.
I would come prepared with a portable CD player and a good set of headphones. Load up the washers, put in the quarters, and set them going. Pop in a CD, sit down in the chair, and wait for the lights to shut off. Nothing but me in the darkness, some good tunes, and the faint hum of the laundry machines on the other side of the headphones. Once the washers were done, transfer them to the driers, pop in a new album, and relax in the musical darkness again.
My possessions are becoming even less smart, not more. My non-smart phone just arrived in the mail today. I'm getting the smartphone monkey off my back. Back when smartphones were first becoming popular, I resisted getting one. I knew myself, and I knew it would become an addiction for me. Fast-forward several years, and that definitely came true. So on Tuesday I "upgraded" my phone to this:
(https://ss7.vzw.com/is/image/VerizonWireless/Sonim-XP5S-Black-05012019?fmt=pjpg&hei=520)
I'll start leaving my smartphone in my desk drawer at work, because I use an MFA app to get on one of the VPNs (should still be accessible via company Wi-Fi).
Just as another update, we had a router issue that we had to factory reset our router, and we learned that the faucet still operates without Wi-Fi, just that the Alexa commands don't work. You can still use the handle or the motion sensor.
Quote from: Pink Jazz on October 23, 2020, 06:41:02 PM
It was actually more difficult to remove the old faucet than it was to install the new faucet.
In my experience this is always the case. :-D
I try to avoid appliances that think they can outsmart me.
Quote from: kkt on November 24, 2020, 05:53:50 PM
I try to avoid appliances that think they can outsmart me.
Usually, it's not the device that outsmarts me, it's the item's inability to escape its restrictive parameters which makes me look dumb.
I don't remember when they got it, but my father and mother-in-law have what I think is called a Delta Trinsic faucet. It's touch-operated and has a heat indicator to tell you when it's hot.
The touch feature is cool since most sink uses are to wash hands and clean dishes, both which I would do while on the hottest setting. The heat indicator is pretty slick too, especially if your hot water takes a second. You can walk away and not keep running your hands under the water while you wait for it to heat up.
I'm more interested in smart showers that will shut off after a certain amount of time or which can respond to voice input like "change mode" or whatever.
Quote from: jakeroot on November 25, 2020, 01:57:41 AM
The heat indicator is pretty slick too, especially if your hot water takes a second. You can walk away and not keep running your hands under the water while you wait for it to heat up.
At our kitchen sink, I just touch the metal spout. If it's still cold, then the water flowing through it is still cold. If it's hot, then hot.
Quote from: kphoger on November 25, 2020, 10:26:50 AM
At our kitchen sink, I just touch the metal spout. If it's still cold, then the water flowing through it is still cold. If it's hot, then hot.
:cheers:
Quote from: kphoger on November 25, 2020, 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 25, 2020, 01:57:41 AM
The heat indicator is pretty slick too, especially if your hot water takes a second. You can walk away and not keep running your hands under the water while you wait for it to heat up.
At our kitchen sink, I just touch the metal spout. If it's still cold, then the water flowing through it is still cold. If it's hot, then hot.
aka: no pain, no
gain hot water.
It's bad enough that garbage disposals and pool/spa motors have the potential to mix electricity with water, potentially causing electrical shock upon failure (especially with the garbage disposal I replaced several months back). I don't have any desire for a smart faucet, though the hot indicator would be nice since we have a tankless water heater on the far end of the house from the kitchen and master bath (they installed it as close to our natural gas meter as they found).
Anyway, a few weeks ago I replaced our broken Delta kitchen faucet with a mid-priced Moen, which I had to go with because it's white, our sink is white, and the broken faucet was white. So far I really like it because the handle is easier to adjust than the Delta was. Just hope it holds up as well, because Deltas have always been built to last, and the last one was 16 years old and heavily used.
Quote from: jakeroot on November 25, 2020, 12:41:36 PM
Quote from: kphoger on November 25, 2020, 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on November 25, 2020, 01:57:41 AM
The heat indicator is pretty slick too, especially if your hot water takes a second. You can walk away and not keep running your hands under the water while you wait for it to heat up.
At our kitchen sink, I just touch the metal spout. If it's still cold, then the water flowing through it is still cold. If it's hot, then hot.
aka: no pain, no gain hot water.
Nah, no pain at all. Even with scalding-hot water flowing through the faucet, the metal is only moderately hot to the touch. I grab it with my whole hand, and so do my kids, to check the temp.
Now if only that worked in the bathroom, where there's no real spout to speak of.
Quote from: kphoger on November 25, 2020, 01:23:57 PM
Nah, no pain at all. Even with scalding-hot water flowing through the faucet, the metal is only moderately hot to the touch. I grab it with my whole hand, and so do my kids, to check the temp.
Now if only that worked in the bathroom, where there's no real spout to speak of.
So I just checked my faucet: no change in temperature for the spout itself, even at the hottest temperature. Only way to tell is to run my hand under (ouch), or watch for steam.
I mean, if you really need to know the temperature of the water without touching it, you could just get a $5 meat thermometer and wedge it in the drain such that the water will flow over the probe.
Quote from: wriddle082 on November 25, 2020, 01:08:19 PM
It’s bad enough that garbage disposals and pool/spa motors have the potential to mix electricity with water, potentially causing electrical shock upon failure (especially with the garbage disposal I replaced several months back). I don’t have any desire for a smart faucet, though the hot indicator would be nice since we have a tankless water heater on the far end of the house from the kitchen and master bath (they installed it as close to our natural gas meter as they found).
Anyway, a few weeks ago I replaced our broken Delta kitchen faucet with a mid-priced Moen, which I had to go with because it’s white, our sink is white, and the broken faucet was white. So far I really like it because the handle is easier to adjust than the Delta was. Just hope it holds up as well, because Deltas have always been built to last, and the last one was 16 years old and heavily used.
Our sink is white too; I don't think it is such a big deal that the faucet has to match the sink. White faucets are going by the wayside; our builder included an Arctic Stainless Delta Leland, and our current U by Moen Arbor is Spot-Resist Stainless.
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 25, 2020, 07:46:28 PM
I mean, if you really need to know the temperature of the water without touching it, you could just get a $5 meat thermometer and wedge it in the drain such that the water will flow over the probe.
They sell water thermometers.
If your hot water is so hot it will scald you the instant you touch it, it's probably too hot.
Quote from: kkt on November 27, 2020, 02:17:07 PM
If your hot water is so hot it will scald you the instant you touch it, it's probably too hot.
Nah, that's just the way I like it. When I draw a hot bath, I want to just barely be able to get in the tub without pain. Or have to ease in inch by inch.
Since I've got the cold-pipes issue mentioned upthread, I like having the "scalding" option for warming up the pipes. Once the water is warm then I'll knock it back to 75% hot or so for actual use. "Scalding" is also nice for hand-washing dishes, since I can let them soak a bit in the hot water and by the time it's cooled down to a comfortable temperature the stuck food and such is softened.
Quote from: kphoger on November 27, 2020, 04:26:12 PM
Quote from: kkt on November 27, 2020, 02:17:07 PM
If your hot water is so hot it will scald you the instant you touch it, it's probably too hot.
Nah, that's just the way I like it. When I draw a hot bath, I want to just barely be able to get in the tub without pain. Or have to ease in inch by inch.
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 27, 2020, 06:00:00 PM
Since I've got the cold-pipes issue mentioned upthread, I like having the "scalding" option for warming up the pipes. Once the water is warm then I'll knock it back to 75% hot or so for actual use. "Scalding" is also nice for hand-washing dishes, since I can let them soak a bit in the hot water and by the time it's cooled down to a comfortable temperature the stuck food and such is softened.
Whatever floats your rubber ducky :)