Today, I drove through the Grandview Triangle (the name for the junction in south KC where I-435, I-470, and I-49/US 71 meet). At that interchange, the guide sign for US 71 north depicts a control city of Kansas City; however, the junction is already within the city limits of KC.
That got me thinking: what other interchanges are there where one of the guide signs mentions the name of a given control city, even though the junction is already inside the boundaries of the city in question? I'm sure there are at least a handful of examples throughout the country.
(To be clear, these are for signs that mention only the name of the city, without the word "Downtown" or any similar qualifiers or modifiers.)
CT 9 Exit 16 (future 23D): CT 66 West Middletown. Already well within city limits, and they're not changing it when re-signing.
Several signs along I-664 list "Chesapeake" as a control city despite already being in Chesapeake. I-664 travels through the western sliver of the city, Western Branch, the control city "Chesapeake" is referring to largely the central and southern parts of the city such as Greenbrier, Great Bridge, etc. which are easily 20+ miles from Western Branch, the southern most part of the city at the NC border 30 miles away, given the large size of city. VDOT, at the request of the city, recently installed signs stating "Western Branch Next 3 Exits" which goes against the usual listing of a city as opposed to an area. Similar signage along I-464 in the city state "South Norfolk Exits 3 & 4A", referring to the South Norfolk area in the northern part of the city.
One from each interchange:
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8483301,-76.4277688,3a,48.9y,276.56h,90.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZ0XU23AtxOQX-YQosFc0Ow!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8190549,-76.4326114,3a,50.6y,269.23h,90.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgWuhZLL1w3ub7riuGDYJ0A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8025434,-76.425556,3a,48.8y,316.21h,97.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLlffg5utu1sKL2bNMn9itg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7858471,-76.4048919,3a,49.7y,81.76h,92.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEIBaCbJv1x_BIAapkxNmXw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
The northbound control city for I-15 at its interchange with I-80 and Utah 201 (the Spaghetti Bowl) is Salt Lake, even though much of that interchange is within Salt Lake City limits.
Same thing with I-80 eastbound at exits 111 through 115, but that's simply a result of large city limits. In the case of I-15 and the Spaghetti Bowl, you're within 20 blocks of the city center and can easily see the downtown skyline.
So many signs within Los Angeles's city limits list Los Angeles as the control city. These include signs on the 2, 5, 10, 47, 60, 91, 101, 105, 110, 118, 134, 170 and 405 freeways
Many of the Dallas freeways use 'Dallas' as a control city. Several of the downtown Dallas-bound exits off of I-635 have Dallas on them. The BGS in the now-former dead-man's-curve NB transition has had Dallas on it (it may be gone now, as work has started to clear the remaining curve structure and start making that into an at-grade off-freeway intersection, as part of the S.M. Wright freeway-to-parkway conversion).
I-25 North at the southern end of I-225 is listed as Denver but you're already there.
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Indianapolis is listed as a control city for both I-65 and I-70 at their respective interchanges with I-465 despite being well within the city limits, which is all of Marion County. I-65 interchanges at Southport Road, Keystone Avenue (3 miles from Downtown) and 71st Street all list Indianapolis as the control city. I-70 at Post Road on the east side does as well. It seems that once you're inside the pre-unification city limits of Indianapolis the use of the city as a control point is dropped. I-70 on the west side inside I-465 even starts using Dayton for eastbound I-70.
St. Louis for US 40 on the west end of the PSB (https://goo.gl/maps/82KRzeKBtVmh8MDE6)
I-94 at MN 15 and US 10 at MN 23 in St. Cloud.
There are at least three examples in Minneapolis that come *feet* from qualifying, but all are sadly technically in other jurisdictions.
I-94 eastbound at 49th/53rd Ave: 53rd Ave is the Minneapolis/Brooklyn Center line
I-35W southbound at MN 280: Minneapolis is just around the bend from the exit
MN 5 eastbound at MN 55: 5 crosses the river into St. Paul immediately after the interchange
This sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.1006355,-93.2318702,3a,48.8y,111.44h,89.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sr9JtkOtWSuj4Ygcb4SUwBg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) is in Springfield city limits, near the southeast edge.
I dunno if this counts but I-375 has Civic Center as the control city in Detroit. Also I-96 has Downtown for a control city on EB I-96. Some even say Downtown Detroit on them.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 30, 2020, 12:52:02 PM
I dunno if this counts but I-375 has Civic Center as the control city in Detroit. Also I-96 has Downtown for a control city on EB I-96. Some even say Downtown Detroit on them.
and at 8 Mile and I-75 this one: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.447089,-83.0951576,3a,75y,276.37h,76t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1ssvszfYXzp21Z6TWYFlaVKQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DsvszfYXzp21Z6TWYFlaVKQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D28.41716%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en and this is at the city limits.
Quote from: cwf1701 on August 30, 2020, 03:53:30 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 30, 2020, 12:52:02 PM
I dunno if this counts but I-375 has Civic Center as the control city in Detroit. Also I-96 has Downtown for a control city on EB I-96. Some even say Downtown Detroit on them.
and at 8 Mile and I-75 this one: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.447089,-83.0951576,3a,75y,276.37h,76t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1ssvszfYXzp21Z6TWYFlaVKQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DsvszfYXzp21Z6TWYFlaVKQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D28.41716%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en and this is at the city limits.
Yeah you're at the city limits but it might be a little too early to mention Toledo on the sign. Maybe it should say Downtown instead since you're already in Detroit people would know it means Downtown Detroit. First mention of Toledo on a sign though is at McNichols only two miles south of the city limits as I don't think the one at Seven Mile has a control city mentioned just which direction it is. I'm going to have to look to see if Flint is mentioned in SW Detroit or if Detroit is since I can't remember off the top of my head.
EDIT: At Outer Drive Detroit is the control city that's the city limits on I-75's southern entrance to the city.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2650585,-83.1719282,3a,75y,156h,90.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIBav0tzO7bogKVzZpZ-AsA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
Next exit north still has Detroit this is the interchange with Schaefer:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2774384,-83.1568267,3a,75y,126.18h,91.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjsz7bbUFm-CQMobpwGlccg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
The rest of the exits/entrances to I-75 into downtown Detroit have no mention of a control city except for the Ambassador Bridge and I-96. Which has Downtown and Civic-TCF Center. TCF Center is the new name for Cobo Hall. First mention of Flint is the exit for I-96.
At its eastern end, NJ 133 is signed for East Windsor, even though the entire highway is in said township and at this point, about 1/3 of the population of E.W. is behind you. (to say nothing about the ugly new Clearview-like typeface on only the 133 sign)
(https://i.imgur.com/9GgdAVN.jpg)
I-265/KY 841 uses Louisville as a control city for I-65 NB, I-64 WB and I-71 SB and all of those interchanges are in Louisville.
I-64 EB at I-264 uses Louisville as a control city for through traffic but is already in Louisville.
US-24 (Telegraph Rd) at I-96 has signs for Detroit. You are on the border of Detroit there.
A little further in, M-39 (Southfield Fwy) has signs for "Downtown Detroit" (Downtown in small caps).
At the eastern meeting of 70 and 435, West 70 is signed for KC. At the western meeting in Kansas much further from downtown (though just within the KCK city limits), 70 East is signed for St Louis
Quote from: KCRoadFan on August 30, 2020, 12:13:35 AM
(To be clear, these are for signs that mention only the name of the city, without the word "Downtown" or any similar qualifiers or modifiers.)
Welp, I guess this (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.139058,-77.5526822,3a,75y,0.21h,87.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZ-AUXWtKtVf_9B7l94yQ7g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) doesn't count then. But it is within the Rochester city limits.
You also have this (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1084591,-77.6118736,3a,49.2y,255.16h,92.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9pe3Dd5owAulqhl72EIPHw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en), which is outside the city limits by a few hundred feet, if that.
In Nashville, any interstate to interstate interchange involving I-440 used Nashville as the control city for the interstate headed into downtown. The I-65/24 north split also uses Nashville as the southbound control. Also, all interstate junctions to TN-155/Briley Pky (except for I-65 which is in Madison) use Nashville as the interior control.
Quote from: webny99 on August 31, 2020, 09:38:36 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on August 30, 2020, 12:13:35 AM
(To be clear, these are for signs that mention only the name of the city, without the word "Downtown" or any similar qualifiers or modifiers.)
Welp, I guess this (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.139058,-77.5526822,3a,75y,0.21h,87.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZ-AUXWtKtVf_9B7l94yQ7g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) doesn't count then. But it is within the Rochester city limits.
Maybe not, but this (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1367196,-77.5528192,3a,50.3y,5.87h,94.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1speaBbCFO2JbSiJZdf64teA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) does!
Out east, there are a ton with Albany.
Here's a relatively new example at the I-64/I-95 merge in Richmond, VA. I'm assuming the old sign used to say Norfolk/Petersburg like the overhead signs further back do. A good change IMO and surprised that the new sign on southbound I-95 wasn't changed as well.
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5867097,-77.4751038,3a,75y,90.95h,90.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1surmNKlPSQrn6lMMqPjZ8_Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5909835,-77.4689771,3a,75y,201.4h,94.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-Ht0UW4aIjI9cW3xqttWMg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
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What I find more surprising is that the APL sign is fairly new, and uses standard FHWA font vs. the new Clearview that is popular with VDOT.
Quote from: Jmiles32 on September 01, 2020, 12:04:17 PM
Here's a relatively new example at the I-64/I-95 merge in Richmond, VA. I'm assuming the old sign used to say Norfolk/Petersburg like the overhead signs further back do.
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5867097,-77.4751038,3a,75y,90.95h,90.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1surmNKlPSQrn6lMMqPjZ8_Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Yep.
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5867389,-77.4749902,3a,49.1y,97.25h,99.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTFValHp7PQKD0Im0qUP27w!2e0!7i3328!8i1664
And at some point they took the overhead down and didn't replace it for a while...
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5867555,-77.4750249,3a,46.3y,97.81h,88.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siUSzGYdLUcZxFlmy9E158A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I believe this sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3228441,-76.5301969,3a,72.6y,230.06h,88.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUqGCSyTz9Q1V4uG-f_lbhQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) on I-95 SB is just barely inside the Baltimore city limits.
Not a freeway, but this sign on ID-55/Eagle Rd is in Boise city limits, and points you to turn right onto US-20/26 (Chinden) to get to Boise. Doing so will actually take you out of Boise into Garden City, going through the full length of Garden City, before re-entering Boise west of downtown. I imagine the reason this sign is here though, is because you're ~9 miles from downtown Boise, and most people probably think they're in Meridian here.
(https://i.imgur.com/Einhu2Z.png)
GSV Link (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6605937,-116.3542528,3a,75y,359.76h,86.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szA4NpDl8Bsv5maNHgTCRVw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Here's a more traditional example on I-84 in Portland. It's well within city limits by this point. It appears that the ramps technically clip into Maywood Park for a short time though.
(https://i.imgur.com/WtOcc5c.png)
GSV Link (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5475383,-122.5483374,3a,75y,278.95h,87.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfwxrvqpztMylrE7CV4TPhQ!2e0!6s)
Quote from: Mr. Matté on August 30, 2020, 06:43:55 PM
At its eastern end, NJ 133 is signed for East Windsor, even though the entire highway is in said township and at this point, about 1/3 of the population of E.W. is behind you. (to say nothing about the ugly new Clearview-like typeface on only the 133 sign)
(https://i.imgur.com/9GgdAVN.jpg)
Actually, that font looks more like Series D* than Clearview.
*Variation uses a better looking IMHO lower-case
s than the current FHWA Series D.
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Boston:
US 1 southbound as it approaches I-93 southbound at the City Square Tunnel (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.373022,-71.0594903,3a,75y,219.15h,80.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3b_0pvLHs_zZ1AGEKxu7fw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
I-90 eastbound at the Allston-Brighton-Cambridge interchange (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3567384,-71.1272761,3a,75y,68.07h,73.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFBBvG1BEeS5148EjOmuH6Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Philadelphia:
I-95 northbound at the actual Exit 13 split with the original 1985-vintage
Philadelphia pull-through sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8917941,-75.2360696,3a,75y,86.24h,82.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svmhx7e0HeIjmfpTc7PnqNQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
The south terminus of I-225 at I-25 is within the Denver city limits (in what is known as the Denver tech center), and I-25 north is signed (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6354359,-104.9021551,3a,75y,265.19h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sRL8UIrKdzU3cJ9kwdepwpA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DRL8UIrKdzU3cJ9kwdepwpA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D263.77023%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) for Denver. This location is roughly 10 miles southeast of downtown.
Quote from: Occidental Tourist on August 30, 2020, 02:09:20 AM
So many signs within Los Angeles's city limits list Los Angeles as the control city. These include signs on the 2, 5, 10, 47, 60, 91, 101, 105, 110, 118, 134, 170 and 405 freeways
Long Beach is also listed within its city limits on both I-710 and for the CA-22 West exits from I-405 and I-605.
Quote from: vdeane on August 31, 2020, 09:57:27 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 31, 2020, 09:38:36 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on August 30, 2020, 12:13:35 AM
(To be clear, these are for signs that mention only the name of the city, without the word "Downtown" or any similar qualifiers or modifiers.)
Welp, I guess this (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.139058,-77.5526822,3a,75y,0.21h,87.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZ-AUXWtKtVf_9B7l94yQ7g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) doesn't count then. But it is within the Rochester city limits.
Maybe not, but this (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1367196,-77.5528192,3a,50.3y,5.87h,94.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1speaBbCFO2JbSiJZdf64teA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) does!
Wow, good point. I can't believe I forgot about that one.
I'd love to see new signage for this entire interchange, and if I had my way, "Downtown" would be abolished, and there would be control cities for NY/I-590, preferably Irondequoit NB and either Brighton or Henrietta SB.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on August 30, 2020, 12:41:16 PM
This sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.1006355,-93.2318702,3a,48.8y,111.44h,89.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sr9JtkOtWSuj4Ygcb4SUwBg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) is in Springfield city limits, near the southeast edge.
Because that sign is north of the US 60 junction, I think it should say "65 NORTH / TO 44" .
Because I'm bored and things are slow this morning, here are a few more I found:
Frederick entering US 15 SB from MD 26 WB (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4450586,-77.3969913,3a,75y,257.83h,87.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s26lC6LdFR-IFDW-vGhSvSQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
Newark on NJ 21 NB (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7124375,-74.1834527,3a,75y,345.35h,88.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smm4-o7XWB6pJtXVQHZY1_A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
Pittsburgh on I-376 EB (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4208776,-80.0315443,3a,75y,45.9h,80.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-Q0bcTu4DlQ6N7KzlJDIlg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
Worcester entering I-290 EB from MA 12 SB (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2324209,-71.8229246,3a,75y,143.68h,77.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sK4DpfWKfHGjuY5QhCMg-5w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 01, 2020, 05:15:30 PM
Actually, that font looks more like Series D* than Clearview.
*Variation uses a better looking IMHO lower-case s than the current FHWA Series D.
That would be "chocolate" Series D.
Quote from: I-55 on August 31, 2020, 09:54:45 PM
In Nashville, any interstate to interstate interchange involving I-440 used Nashville as the control city for the interstate headed into downtown.
I-465 in Indy does the same for the exits to I-65 and I-70 inbound.
I-190 / I-294 / I-90 by the airport show when you are in Chicago
Quote from: DTComposer on September 01, 2020, 05:47:34 PM
Quote from: Occidental Tourist on August 30, 2020, 02:09:20 AM
So many signs within Los Angeles's city limits list Los Angeles as the control city. These include signs on the 2, 5, 10, 47, 60, 91, 101, 105, 110, 118, 134, 170 and 405 freeways
Long Beach is also listed within its city limits on both I-710 and for the CA-22 West exits from I-405 and I-605.
The exits to CA 22 from both the 405 north and the 605 south are located in Seal Beach. You don't cross into the Long Beach city limits until the 22 crosses over the San Gabriel River. The exit from the 405 south (which has advance signs that are within city limits) doesn't list Long Beach as a control city, just 7th Street.
Theoretically one of the advance signs on the 605 south might be within city limits where the boundary dips into the middle of the 605 freeway for a small portion just south of Willow St. Otherwise, the freeway in that section is entirely within unincorporated OC or Seal Beach.
US-50 West at the California State University, Sacramento Campus area has US-50 West Sacramento and CA-160 Sacramento at the CA-51 interchange. This is due to the control city is aiming for the Downtown area where the I-5 @ US-50/I-305 interchange meet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacArthur_Maze (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacArthur_Maze)
Macarthur maze in Oakland has I-580 east to Downtown Oakland but that was from the early 1990's when I-880 didn't have direct access to Downtown Oakland and the Port of Oakland due to the fallout of the Loma Prieta Quake.
There are many examples in the South Bend area, involving both the Indiana Toll Road and the St. Joseph Valley Parkway. In most cases the interchange was originally outside the city limits but the limits were later extended.
A few examples inside South Bend's city limits:
- SJVP exit off ITR: https://goo.gl/maps/kgdRY4c66k8Qq4bq8
- Lincolnway exit off SJVP: https://goo.gl/maps/i96xwMY9nVywG1R56
- SR-23 exit off SJVP: https://goo.gl/maps/keFRtRMSw2mvDJks5
- Ramp at Ironwood Dr. exit off SJVP: https://goo.gl/maps/xJ11MBACaUgGydy98
Inside Elkhart's limits, a ramp from SJVP to US-33: https://goo.gl/maps/UJ3By88y5zHRAKTw7
I-780 West for Vallejo and I-780 East for Benicia are the control cities for this freeway.
Note There was an article indicating that I-780 was supposed to go to Mare Island as Waterfront Freeway aiming for Downtown Vallejo and Mare Island is why there is a control city for Vallejo within the city limits.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_780
Quote from: Occidental Tourist on August 30, 2020, 02:09:20 AM
So many signs within Los Angeles's city limits list Los Angeles as the control city. These include signs on the 2, 5, 10, 47, 60, 91, 101, 105, 110, 118, 134, 170 and 405 freeways
Gotta be DTLA as the reference here is why LA has freeways with itself as the control city.
Quote from: Occidental Tourist on September 05, 2020, 01:02:38 AM
Quote from: DTComposer on September 01, 2020, 05:47:34 PM
Quote from: Occidental Tourist on August 30, 2020, 02:09:20 AM
So many signs within Los Angeles's city limits list Los Angeles as the control city. These include signs on the 2, 5, 10, 47, 60, 91, 101, 105, 110, 118, 134, 170 and 405 freeways
Long Beach is also listed within its city limits on both I-710 and for the CA-22 West exits from I-405 and I-605.
The exits to CA 22 from both the 405 north and the 605 south are located in Seal Beach. You don't cross into the Long Beach city limits until the 22 crosses over the San Gabriel River. The exit from the 405 south (which has advance signs that are within city limits) doesn't list Long Beach as a control city, just 7th Street.
Theoretically one of the advance signs on the 605 south might be within city limits where the boundary dips into the middle of the 605 freeway for a small portion just south of Willow St. Otherwise, the freeway in that section is entirely within unincorporated OC or Seal Beach.
You are right re: the exits from I-405 northbound and I-605 southbound, and I stand corrected. The L.A. County/L.B. City Limit signs on CA-22 over the San Gabriel River should have been a prominent memory for me (as they meant I was almost home).
For I-405 southbound: the advance signs used to have CA-22/7th Street/Long Beach, but looking at StreetView I see they were replaced around the same time I moved away.
Technically, at this point you are in the Cincinnati Corporate Limits (Ohio speak), even though you are still 10 miles from the downtown area.
https://goo.gl/maps/kWKancDhtz3JYf2m8
I-280 when it enters Santa Clara County there is a Control City for San Jose even though they are Inside the San Jose city limits and parts of US-101 has San Jose as the control city until it hits the I-280, I-680 and US-101 interchange the control city changes to Sacramento for I-680 North or I-280 South and US-101 reads Los Angeles for the Southbound and US-101 north San Francisco and I-280 North would read San Jose.
Quote from: bing101 on September 07, 2020, 11:45:16 PM
I-280 when it enters Santa Clara County there is a Control City for San Jose even though they are Inside the San Jose city limits and parts of US-101 has San Jose as the control city until it hits the I-280, I-680 and US-101 interchange the control city changes to Sacramento for I-680 North or I-280 South and US-101 reads Los Angeles for the Southbound and US-101 north San Francisco and I-280 North would read San Jose.
I'm not sure this is true:
- On US-101 northbound, the first BGS with pull-thru is at CA-85, and US-101 has San Francisco as the control city.
- At the US-101/I-280/I-680 junction, the control city for I-280 is *Downtown* San Jose (which would disqualify it based on the OP).
- On I-280 southbound, once you enter San Jose itself I don't think a BGS with control city is used until the I-880/CA-17 junction, at which point the control city is again *Downtown* San Jose.
Both US 101 NB and CA 126 WB have "Ventura" as a control city within Ventura city limits. In fact, Santa Barbara/San Francisco aren't seen until west of the 101/126 interchange.
SB CA 33 also has "Ventura" as a control city at the Stanley Avenue interchange. And EB 134 has "210 East Pasadena" at the BGS at the Arroyo Seco bridge
Judging by the last 7 replies, it seems like this phenomenon is very common in California.
By the way, this example from Kansas: The interchange where I-135 splits off of I-35 (Kansas Turnpike). I'm pretty sure that at this point, the road is already within the city limits of Wichita.
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5956778,-97.3241695,3a,15y,3.53h,89.81t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sNBcv3j8FzmMULV5Vo3q9eA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DNBcv3j8FzmMULV5Vo3q9eA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D117.25492%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
Milwaukee is used as the control city for I-94 EB in the zoo interchange which is just inside the Milwaukee city limits. The control for WI-30 at I-39/90/94 is Madison also within the Madison city limits.
Quote from: webny99 on September 01, 2020, 10:19:02 PM
Quote from: vdeane on August 31, 2020, 09:57:27 PM
... this (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1367196,-77.5528192,3a,50.3y,5.87h,94.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1speaBbCFO2JbSiJZdf64teA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) does!
Wow, good point. I can't believe I forgot about that one.
Just realized that this example is significant for another reason: the city line sign and the overhead sign for Rochester are
both visible at once, as seen here (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1360471,-77.5528586,3a,16.5y,6.55h,89.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9iHHMkpyl9yaQk8sTeOkMA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en). How about that! :thumbsup:
On IH 10 heading west into Houston, Houston is the control city all the way to almost the IH 610 loop even though "Houston" arguably begins back at Crosby-Lynchburg Road. The other freeways use downtown as control point from Beltway 8 until reaching downtown.
I remember Sacramento in the Sacramento State University area there is a sign for West US-50 for Sacramento even though its referring to downtown Sacramento sometimes I see San Francisco get included as a reference that I-305 will connect to I-80.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 30, 2020, 08:44:34 PM
I-265/KY 841 uses Louisville as a control city for I-65 NB, I-64 WB and I-71 SB and all of those interchanges are in Louisville.
I-64 EB at I-264 uses Louisville as a control city for through traffic but is already in Louisville.
It's likely a similar situation to Indianapolis in that they're using the boundaries from when Louisville and Jefferson County were still separate governments.
Quote from: JMoses24 on December 07, 2020, 07:06:44 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 30, 2020, 08:44:34 PM
I-265/KY 841 uses Louisville as a control city for I-65 NB, I-64 WB and I-71 SB and all of those interchanges are in Louisville.
I-64 EB at I-264 uses Louisville as a control city for through traffic but is already in Louisville.
It's likely a similar situation to Indianapolis in that they're using the boundaries from when Louisville and Jefferson County were still separate governments.
When I-64 EB crosses into Kentucky from Indiana, it's in the city limits of Louisville and was before the merger.
I saw this the other day on the LIE (I-495). The 1 mile advance diagrammatical for Exit 31 (Cross Island Parkway) had 495/New York but it's like 50 feet from the Queens border in Lake Success: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7647387,-73.7202697,3a,60y,260.5h,92.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seX5Iu0wsm_UTFmyf4IrvAQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
The 1/2 mile advance has 495/Manhattan, which is definitely in Queens (and thus in [the city of] New York). Region 8 and 10 don't like posting individual boroughs as control cities; you just get New York/New York City. In Elmont, on the Southern State, the 1/2 mile signs approaching the Belt/Cross Island say Brooklyn. Otherwise, westbound 495/NSP/SSP uses "New York."
Some exceptions: the Turnpike and Garden State Parkway say Staten Island (obvs not NYSDOT) for the Outerbridge and Goethals Bridges. The Hutch and Cross Island (from the Southern State) say Whitestone Br instead of New York.
Quote from: crispy93 on December 09, 2020, 02:01:53 PM
I saw this the other day on the LIE (I-495). The 1 mile advance diagrammatical for Exit 31 (Cross Island Parkway) had 495/New York but it's like 50 feet from the Queens border in Lake Success: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7647387,-73.7202697,3a,60y,260.5h,92.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seX5Iu0wsm_UTFmyf4IrvAQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
The 1/2 mile advance has 495/Manhattan, which is definitely in Queens (and thus in [the city of] New York). Region 8 and 10 don't like posting individual boroughs as control cities; you just get New York/New York City. In Elmont, on the Southern State, the 1/2 mile signs approaching the Belt/Cross Island say Brooklyn. Otherwise, westbound 495/NSP/SSP uses "New York."
Some exceptions: the Turnpike and Garden State Parkway say Staten Island (obvs not NYSDOT) for the Outerbridge and Goethals Bridges. The Hutch and Cross Island (from the Southern State) say Whitestone Br instead of New York.
I'm sure that the implication by NYSDOT is that "New York" means "Manhattan." After all, that borough is what "New York, NY" , as a postal entity, refers to when sending mail. (Brooklyn, the Bronx, and Staten Island just use the borough names as the postal city name, whereas Queens refines it even further, using neighborhood or district names as "cities" ; thus, with mail sent to Queens, you'll see constructs such as "Flushing, NY" , "Jamaica, NY" , "Astoria, NY" , and so forth. It's as though each area of Queens were its own little municipality, even though it's all really part of NYC.)
As one exits the terminal from Port Columbus, errr, John Glenn International airport, there is an overhead sign directing you towards (I-270/670) Columbus. The airport is in Columbus.
https://goo.gl/maps/kHfBTz7r91qEnnw57
(also the only time I-270 gets Columbus as a control city)
^
I don't think I've ever seen that font used on a road sign before. Really odd-looking, but then I guess it is airport signage.
Quote from: KCRoadFan on December 09, 2020, 11:25:57 PM
Quote from: crispy93 on December 09, 2020, 02:01:53 PM
I saw this the other day on the LIE (I-495). The 1 mile advance diagrammatical for Exit 31 (Cross Island Parkway) had 495/New York but it's like 50 feet from the Queens border in Lake Success: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7647387,-73.7202697,3a,60y,260.5h,92.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seX5Iu0wsm_UTFmyf4IrvAQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
The 1/2 mile advance has 495/Manhattan, which is definitely in Queens (and thus in [the city of] New York). Region 8 and 10 don't like posting individual boroughs as control cities; you just get New York/New York City. In Elmont, on the Southern State, the 1/2 mile signs approaching the Belt/Cross Island say Brooklyn. Otherwise, westbound 495/NSP/SSP uses "New York."
Some exceptions: the Turnpike and Garden State Parkway say Staten Island (obvs not NYSDOT) for the Outerbridge and Goethals Bridges. The Hutch and Cross Island (from the Southern State) say Whitestone Br instead of New York.
I'm sure that the implication by NYSDOT is that "New York" means "Manhattan." After all, that borough is what "New York, NY" , as a postal entity, refers to when sending mail. (Brooklyn, the Bronx, and Staten Island just use the borough names as the postal city name, whereas Queens refines it even further, using neighborhood or district names as "cities" ; thus, with mail sent to Queens, you'll see constructs such as "Flushing, NY" , "Jamaica, NY" , "Astoria, NY" , and so forth. It's as though each area of Queens were its own little municipality, even though it's all really part of NYC.)
Queens County Before 1898 - Was a bunch of Towns and Villages including all towns and villages in what is now Nassau County 1899.
Quote from: doorknob60 on September 01, 2020, 03:01:35 PM
Here's a more traditional example on I-84 in Portland. It's well within city limits by this point. It appears that the ramps technically clip into Maywood Park for a short time though.
(https://i.imgur.com/WtOcc5c.png)
GSV Link (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5475383,-122.5483374,3a,75y,278.95h,87.15t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfwxrvqpztMylrE7CV4TPhQ!2e0!6s)
The signs for I-84 West on I-205 also say "Portland", even though it's well within the city limits.
I-205 Northbound (GSV Link): (https://goo.gl/maps/8Q7vWkNQFhDLVpzB6)
(https://i.imgur.com/1b3yoP9.png)
I-205 Southbound (GSV Link): (https://goo.gl/maps/jBCJ5tTYz9cF6u6P8)
(https://i.imgur.com/YooU0kh.png)
Quote from: Occidental Tourist on September 05, 2020, 01:02:38 AM
Quote from: DTComposer on September 01, 2020, 05:47:34 PM
Quote from: Occidental Tourist on August 30, 2020, 02:09:20 AM
So many signs within Los Angeles's city limits list Los Angeles as the control city. These include signs on the 2, 5, 10, 47, 60, 91, 101, 105, 110, 118, 134, 170 and 405 freeways
Long Beach is also listed within its city limits on both I-710 and for the CA-22 West exits from I-405 and I-605.
The exits to CA 22 from both the 405 north and the 605 south are located in Seal Beach. You don't cross into the Long Beach city limits until the 22 crosses over the San Gabriel River. The exit from the 405 south (which has advance signs that are within city limits) doesn't list Long Beach as a control city, just 7th Street.
Theoretically one of the advance signs on the 605 south might be within city limits where the boundary dips into the middle of the 605 freeway for a small portion just south of Willow St. Otherwise, the freeway in that section is entirely within unincorporated OC or Seal Beach.
This discussion is why I strongly oppose using Long Beach as a control for 605. As can be seen when reading the thread, CA control cities will lead you to the downtown of said city. And for the larger cities, the control is used even within city limits. 605 does go into the eastern parts of Long Beach, but is almost* never a good way to reach Downtown LB. It is why I prefer Seal Beach for the southern control, even if it is significantly smaller than LB.
* The one exception that I may consider is from 210 WB as it will obviate the need to pass thru city streets on the way to 710. But there should be clear signage to lead people from 605 to Downtown LB, by way of 605 to 91 to 710. In the case of other intersecting roads or freeways, Downtown LB traffic should use 710 instead of 605.
Quote from: mapman1071 on December 15, 2020, 03:25:47 AM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on December 09, 2020, 11:25:57 PM
Quote from: crispy93 on December 09, 2020, 02:01:53 PM
I saw this the other day on the LIE (I-495). The 1 mile advance diagrammatical for Exit 31 (Cross Island Parkway) had 495/New York but it's like 50 feet from the Queens border in Lake Success: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7647387,-73.7202697,3a,60y,260.5h,92.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seX5Iu0wsm_UTFmyf4IrvAQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
The 1/2 mile advance has 495/Manhattan, which is definitely in Queens (and thus in [the city of] New York). Region 8 and 10 don't like posting individual boroughs as control cities; you just get New York/New York City. In Elmont, on the Southern State, the 1/2 mile signs approaching the Belt/Cross Island say Brooklyn. Otherwise, westbound 495/NSP/SSP uses "New York."
Some exceptions: the Turnpike and Garden State Parkway say Staten Island (obvs not NYSDOT) for the Outerbridge and Goethals Bridges. The Hutch and Cross Island (from the Southern State) say Whitestone Br instead of New York.
I'm sure that the implication by NYSDOT is that "New York" means "Manhattan." After all, that borough is what "New York, NY" , as a postal entity, refers to when sending mail. (Brooklyn, the Bronx, and Staten Island just use the borough names as the postal city name, whereas Queens refines it even further, using neighborhood or district names as "cities" ; thus, with mail sent to Queens, you'll see constructs such as "Flushing, NY" , "Jamaica, NY" , "Astoria, NY" , and so forth. It's as though each area of Queens were its own little municipality, even though it's all really part of NYC.)
Queens County Before 1898 - Was a bunch of Towns and Villages including all towns and villages in what is now Nassau County 1899.
The boro names are very good to use within the city limits. Outside of the city limits, the use of "New York" should eventually lead to Manhattan.
THe southern state is a bit of a problem, since it does not use Manhattan on its choices at the endpoint. Belt Pkwy to Brooklyn, as listed is OK. Cross-Island to Whitestone Bridge should be replaced with Bronx, as it is better to list a place than a bridge. Cross-Island also leads to both the Clearview and the Whitestone. The interchange is basically in Queens, so Queens can't be used. There should be supplemental signs to guide traffic to JFK (Belt), LGA (Cross Island), and Manhattan (Cross-Island to Grand Central OR LIE).
I-240 WB @ I-35 in Oklahoma City: https://goo.gl/maps/s2st8EuTAkk8NXNy7 (https://goo.gl/maps/s2st8EuTAkk8NXNy7)
Orlando, Jacksonville, West Palm Beach, Tampa, and St. Petersburg are Florida's pet peeves with that.
CTDOT just put up new pull thru signage on I-91 North (and I-84 West) at the new Charter Oak Bridge exit. Originally, the plans listed Springfield and Waterbury (the latter for I-84) as controls, but put Hartford instead of Springfield despite being within Hartford city limits.