I was just thinking about the MUTCD blue pentagon shield for county roads, with regards to which states use it, and how common or widespread they are within that state. Here is a list of states that I know use the pentagon shield at least to some extent - at least, I'm pretty confident about that:
Alabama
Arkansas
California (some counties)
Colorado (some counties)
Florida
Illinois (a couple counties in the Chicago suburbs; not sure about downstate)
Iowa
Kansas (Douglas and Leavenworth, for sure; don't know about other counties)
Michigan (some counties)
Minnesota
Missouri (rare, but I have seen them on occasion)
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York (some counties)
Wyoming
I'm pretty sure I got those right. Anyway, have you seen the county road pentagons used in any other states aside from the ones I mentioned above?
I know that some states sign county roads differently (the circles for "fraction roads" in WV, for example, or the white squares for lettered "county trunk" highways in Wisconsin), while some other states instead have "secondary" state-maintained roads that serve a function roughly equivalent to that of county roads (states such as MT, NC, PA, TN, and VA come to mind in that regard).
Not all counties in Minnesota use the blue pentagon. Some use the white square, while others use BOTH the blue pentagon and white square.
Louisiana is rare, but there are at least a couple parishes where I have seen blue pentagons.
There are a few counties in Mississippi where one will see the blue pentagon...namely those counties where the county decided to number their roads instead of name them.
I've seen them from time to time in Arizona.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=26062.0
Most counties in Utah don’t bother to number their roads. Of the ones that do, some have their own shield (Uintah, San Juan), but you’ll find blue pentagons in a few Utah counties. The most prolific use of these signs is in Duchesne County, but I’ve seen them in Daggett, Carbon, Washington, and maybe a couple others as well.
More common is the federal aid “fake pentagon” I described in the other thread, which commonly appears at the beginning or end of federal-aid routes in some rural areas of the state.
They show up in Oregon but are not that common it seems.
Rick
Minnehaha County in South Dakota uses blue pentagons. I can't begin to tell you whether anywhere else in South Dakota does, being I haven't been there since 2012.
They're seen in Michigan mostly on routes designated as part of an intercounty route system (http://www.michiganhighways.org/county/intercounty.html). Several counties never designated any routes as part of the system and a lot of any existing signing is old and neglected; the state does not contribute any funds to the counties to maintain signage, but designated routes still are shown on the official state map. Route numbers are a letter-number combination, with the letter corresponding to a section of the state.
Most other county route markers are black-on-white rectangular shields, although there are some that use pentagon shields. You can tell the latter are not part of the intercounty system because the route numbers don't include a letter.
Quote from: KCRoadFan on September 05, 2020, 11:51:31 PM
New York (some counties)
That's accurate.
To my knowledge, there are no counties in New York that use any other county route signage besides the blue pentagon. It's either the blue pentagon, or unsigned.
Indiana does not use them, but the Toll Road uses it on signs for the CR 17 exit in Elkhart County.
Quote from: webny99 on September 06, 2020, 11:12:57 AM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on September 05, 2020, 11:51:31 PM
New York (some counties)
That's accurate.
To my knowledge, there are no counties in New York that use any other county route signage besides the blue pentagon. It's either the blue pentagon, or unsigned.
Depends on what you count as "unsigned". In Ontario County, the roads have no other official name, so they're signed on street blades as "County Route #". Other counties also mention the county route numbers on street blade signs, including Schenectady County.
Until a few years ago, Franklin County used squares (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.8579252,-74.0339378,3a,19.4y,269.3h,85.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBpBdsDbFlgeaustdRNT3aw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). Ulster, Orange, and Erie Counties also used to have their own shields.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on September 06, 2020, 10:58:11 AM
They're seen in Michigan mostly on routes designated as part of an intercounty route system (http://www.michiganhighways.org/county/intercounty.html). Several counties never designated any routes as part of the system and a lot of any existing signing is old and neglected; the state does not contribute any funds to the counties to maintain signage, but designated routes still are shown on the official state map. Route numbers are a letter-number combination, with the letter corresponding to a section of the state.
Most other county route markers are black-on-white rectangular shields, although there are some that use pentagon shields. You can tell the latter are not part of the intercounty system because the route numbers don't include a letter.
Here's a real interesting county pentagon in Otsego County, Michigan: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.1846888,-84.6727284,3a,22.1y,230.01h,87.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1su3xradV8y_plI2Jot0bj5A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
It's north of Vanderbilt on Old US 27, just south of the C-28 intercounty highway intersection.
The only numbered county route I know of in Oklahoma is Ottawa CR 137 (old SH-137), which is not signed with a pentagon (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.9488367,-94.7878782,3a,28.4y,224.64h,80.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_eNktXKG9wCZYm_Jno3Trg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). For the most part, county roads in Oklahoma form a grid that are named/numbered like regular urban streets, and signed as such.
There are some county pentagons in Oklahoma, though–but they're used as parking signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8769841,-97.4222174,3a,15y,11.74h,77.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skGounrZYTvvCpYW-GVg9LA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) outside the Logan County Courthouse! Clearly they had some reason to order some blank pentagons for some reason, that got repurposed into these, but why?
Quote from: wanderer2575 on September 06, 2020, 10:58:11 AM
They're seen in Michigan mostly on routes designated as part of an intercounty route system (http://www.michiganhighways.org/county/intercounty.html). Several counties never designated any routes as part of the system and a lot of any existing signing is old and neglected; the state does not contribute any funds to the counties to maintain signage, but designated routes still are shown on the official state map. Route numbers are a letter-number combination, with the letter corresponding to a section of the state.
Most other county route markers are black-on-white rectangular shields, although there are some that use pentagon shields. You can tell the latter are not part of the intercounty system because the route numbers don't include a letter.
Benzie County, which isn't part of the intercounty system, switched from a white-on-green square (as seen on Karlin Rd (CR 700) in 2009 (https://goo.gl/maps/6qi7chDv8qLwj4S96)) to the blue pentagon (as seen on Joyfield Rd (CR 602) in 2015 (https://goo.gl/maps/ucqHX6fqSgRENkF7A)). Side note: there is a loose grid of county routes (mostly in the 600s) in Antrim, Benzie, Grand Traverse, Kalkaska, and Leelanau counties.
Speaking of Michigan, I came across this white pentagon highway shield in Marquette yesterday. It's in the far left part of the picture.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50314226881_a277bab972_k.jpg)
Missouri has a few (https://www.google.pl/maps/@37.2032484,-90.4663491,3a,23.6y,66.16h,83.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3g6-1-LPVM7FetLhgTDx6A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656/) on US-67 north of Poplar Bluff. Other times, the lettered routes do the job just fine.
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 06, 2020, 10:08:03 PM
Speaking of Michigan, I came across this white pentagon highway shield in Marquette yesterday. It's in the far left part of the picture.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50314226881_a277bab972_k.jpg)
Marquette County uses black and white squares. MDOT has done some work around here the past few years, and either they (or a contractor) has put up pentagons. CR 545 off M-94 on the east side of KI Sawyer has blue and yellow pentagons, while the CR 492 signs off US 41/M-28 in Negaunee and Marquette Township are those black and white pentagons.
Quote from: nexus73 on September 06, 2020, 01:48:13 AM
They show up in Oregon but are not that common it seems.
Rick
I think Douglas County's the only one I've seen using them.
In Nevada, it's used for the county-maintained part of the 215 beltway ("CC-215", for Clark County). I don't know whether there are any other county highways in Nevada.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 06, 2020, 01:26:52 AM
I've seen them from time to time in Arizona.
Yavapai, Mohave, and Coconino Counties use them. Maricopa and Pinal Counties do not, although some Maricopa County highways have numbers, such as MC 85 being the former AZ 85 prior to I-10 being completed. MC 238 is another. It's the part of what should eventually become AZ 238 that's in Maricopa County between the county line and Gila Bend (I think negotiations with ADOT are still ongoing, although the road has finally been paved, AFAIK). Neither are signed with a blue pentagon or anything else.
Not sure about the other counties.
Brazoria County in Texas installed some pentagons when they rebuilt and extended CR 220 around 7 years ago:
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1242927,-95.4304217,3a,26.1y,59.9h,89.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTCA73-dJxlaZc50g4ahFGA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
The odd thing is Brazoria County normally uses a different county shield, a green square which looks like this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1732724,-95.4384028,3a,15y,340.96h,86.57t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdSBUp5G0WMfQ-_LUwpVGtA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
From what I've seen, no other green squares around the county have been replaced with pentagons since they rebuilt CR 220, so I'm wondering if this is a contractor error. Of course it may just be that the CR 220 shields were the only ones needing replacement. I'll see if I can find any other pentagons to see if this is a county-wide thing.
North Carolina doesn't have county routes, but Charlotte does have City Route 4 - it's a route signed with a green pentagon with the city "crown" logo at the top, replacing any "County" notation.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Charlotte_Route_4_shield.svg)
I have seen the county pentagons in Tennessee in Meigs County and in Polk County. I think there may be some in McMinn County as well. They only seem to be at the intersection of the main highway and act more like sign blades.
I've seen them away from Chicagoland in Illinois, Livingston County comes to mind.
Illinois counties that use the blue pentagon include Winnebago, McHenry, Lake, DuPage, Kane (inconsistently), DeKalb (starting recently), Kendall (starting last year), Kankakee, Iroquois, Livingston, McLean, Logan, Macon, McDonough, Knox, Peoria, Woodford, LaSalle, Bureau, Rock Island (who uses letters instead of numbers like Wisconsin), Henry, St. Clair, Sangamon, Champaign, Vermilion, Piatt, Douglas, Coles, Edgar, Fayette, Effingham, Clinton, Christian, Cumberland, Mason, Menard and DeWitt. See Bill Burmaster's page. (http://www.billburmaster.com/rmsandw/illinois/county/index.html)
(Clay County (http://www.billburmaster.com/rmsandw/illinois/county/clay.html) uses the white square like some places in Minnesota.)
Edit: Forgot to mention Warren, and forgot to mention Cook (sporadically).
Also in Warren and McDonough sporadically. Schylur used really nice city type road signs. Most counties use little city like road signs with the 911 numbers.
Quote from: KCRoadFan on September 05, 2020, 11:51:31 PM
Kansas (Douglas and Leavenworth, for sure; don't know about other counties)
FYI...
Harvey CH-801 (https://goo.gl/maps/q6bHu2EFvKBvYXer7)
Rawlins CH-417 (https://goo.gl/maps/uyPr9c2a3vdCragf6)
Arkansas is on a county by county basis.
Washington County
(https://live.staticflickr.com/2169/5735050255_a7c5093aac_d.jpg)
Conway County
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7889/40358132863_5bef76fcd3_d.jpg)
Benton County
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3845/14715466859_c7a34c9369_d.jpg)
Quote from: webny99 on September 06, 2020, 11:12:57 AM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on September 05, 2020, 11:51:31 PM
New York (some counties)
That's accurate.
To my knowledge, there are no counties in New York that use any other county route signage besides the blue pentagon. It's either the blue pentagon, or unsigned.
Orange County has used a county outline marker.
^ Pretty sure one of the Adirondack/North Country counties also used a white-on-green square at some point in the past 15 years. Recall seeing it along NY 3.
Quote from: froggie on October 28, 2020, 12:54:40 PM
^ Pretty sure one of the Adirondack/North Country counties also used a white-on-green square at some point in the past 15 years. Recall seeing it along NY 3.
That would be Franklin. They have since switched to the blue pentagon.
Ulster also used an outline shield at one time, quite a few of which are still around. Erie also had their own shield back when their routes were still signed. And there's Nassau which had blue and orange pentagons back when they were signed.
There are also counties which to this day sign the number on street blades (most notably Ontario, since that's
all they sign them as) but not with shields.
Maryland expressly forbids use of the county road pentagon sign in the MUTCD supplement.
I've seen them in Scott County in Missouri. Pemiscot County uses the county outline as its shield.
Quote from: KCRoadFan on September 05, 2020, 11:51:31 PM
I was just thinking about the MUTCD blue pentagon shield for county roads, with regards to which states use it, and how common or widespread they are within that state. Here is a list of states that I know use the pentagon shield at least to some extent - at least, I'm pretty confident about that:
Alabama
Arkansas
California (some counties)
Colorado (some counties)
Florida
Illinois (a couple counties in the Chicago suburbs; not sure about downstate)
Iowa
Kansas (Douglas and Leavenworth, for sure; don't know about other counties)
Michigan (some counties)
Minnesota
Missouri (rare, but I have seen them on occasion)
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York (some counties)
Wyoming
I'm pretty sure I got those right. Anyway, have you seen the county road pentagons used in any other states aside from the ones I mentioned above?
I know that some states sign county roads differently (the circles for "fraction roads" in WV, for example, or the white squares for lettered "county trunk" highways in Wisconsin), while some other states instead have "secondary" state-maintained roads that serve a function roughly equivalent to that of county roads (states such as MT, NC, PA, TN, and VA come to mind in that regard).
I've seen a few in Arkansas but the county where I live, (White), they don't use the blue pentagon. I've been through Alabama via US 72 and ALT 72 and the blue pentagon is a dime a dozen.
Some counties in Ohio use it, but it's all over the board. I'd say more Ohio counties probably use a black-on-white square than the pentagon, and some use markers of their own design.
We can add North Dakota to the list. Minnesota also changes the color of the number from yellow to white
Quote from: capt.ron on December 01, 2020, 07:28:34 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on September 05, 2020, 11:51:31 PM
I was just thinking about the MUTCD blue pentagon shield for county roads, with regards to which states use it, and how common or widespread they are within that state. Here is a list of states that I know use the pentagon shield at least to some extent - at least, I'm pretty confident about that:
Alabama
Arkansas
California (some counties)
Colorado (some counties)
Florida
Illinois (a couple counties in the Chicago suburbs; not sure about downstate)
Iowa
Kansas (Douglas and Leavenworth, for sure; don't know about other counties)
Michigan (some counties)
Minnesota
Missouri (rare, but I have seen them on occasion)
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York (some counties)
Wyoming
I'm pretty sure I got those right. Anyway, have you seen the county road pentagons used in any other states aside from the ones I mentioned above?
I know that some states sign county roads differently (the circles for "fraction roads" in WV, for example, or the white squares for lettered "county trunk" highways in Wisconsin), while some other states instead have "secondary" state-maintained roads that serve a function roughly equivalent to that of county roads (states such as MT, NC, PA, TN, and VA come to mind in that regard).
I've seen a few in Arkansas but the county where I live, (White), they don't use the blue pentagon. I've been through Alabama via US 72 and ALT 72 and the blue pentagon is a dime a dozen.
Tennessee but very few and rare. I last saw some in McMinn and Polk counties. I think I saw a couple in Meigs County as well.
For most of the state, Montana doesn't use the blue shield for county roads. Most county roads are unnumbered, at least as marked, but Dawson County in SE Montana does use the blue pentagons. Not sure if there are any other counties with them.
Nez Perce County, Idaho uses blue pentagons to mark county roads.
https://www.google.com/maps/@46.4141857,-117.0020022,3a,60.2y,159.92h,83.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srgl5qYL2xYqHz63nTwBHZw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0 (https://www.google.com/maps/@46.4141857,-117.0020022,3a,60.2y,159.92h,83.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srgl5qYL2xYqHz63nTwBHZw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0)
Do all the counties listed here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_roads_in_Minnesota) use blue pentagons?
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on December 07, 2020, 07:39:53 AM
Do all the counties listed here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_roads_in_Minnesota) use blue pentagons?
No. I know Carver County still uses the white square only. Last time I was through there (admittedly several years ago), Lake of the Woods County was the same way. Several counties on that list use a mix of white square and blue pentagon.
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on December 07, 2020, 07:39:53 AM
Do all the counties listed here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_roads_in_Minnesota) use blue pentagons?
It's very much incomplete but here's a rough outline and discussion of Minnesota county practices.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=24755.msg2406032#msg2406032
Quote from: BluesHighway on December 04, 2020, 07:36:38 PM
We can add North Dakota to the list. Minnesota also changes the color of the number from yellow to white
I've seen some that are yellow and some that are white in Minnesota.
Quote from: DandyDan on December 08, 2020, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: BluesHighway on December 04, 2020, 07:36:38 PM
We can add North Dakota to the list. Minnesota also changes the color of the number from yellow to white
I've seen some that are yellow and some that are white in Minnesota.
Some older pentagons are yellow. All the new ones I've seen are white.
MnDOT standard is yellow writing and a white numeral, and has been such since at least 2013. Pentagons with yellow numerals are either older signs, error signs, or put up by counties that did not use state aid funds for the project.
Florida loves them. They seem to have more of these than current state routes (The county roads here are usually old state roads).
I'm pretty certain that there are none here in Wisconsin.
:nod:
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on December 09, 2020, 04:17:48 PM
I'm pretty certain that there are none here in Wisconsin.
:nod:
Mike
In Wisconsin, they use letters instead of numbers, and mark them with white squares.
Just like we do here in Missouri...except the letter roads in MO are actually state roads.
I wouldn't call Wisconsin's county trunk marker a "white square". It's a rectangle and does not follow the typical county route marker format.
Wisconsin uses a white rectangle inside a black square.
Missouri uses a black-bordered white square for single letters or black-bordered white rectangles for double letters.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/WIS_County_FF.svg/200px-WIS_County_FF.svg.png) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/MO-supp-FF.svg/200px-MO-supp-FF.svg.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/WIS_County_J.svg/200px-WIS_County_J.svg.png) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/MO-supp-J.svg/200px-MO-supp-J.svg.png)
Quote from: BigRTM on December 08, 2020, 11:39:23 PM
Florida loves them. They seem to have more of these than current state routes (The county roads here are usually old state roads).
Nah. NJ and NY are probably the two most pentagon-crazy states in the nation.
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on December 12, 2020, 03:11:06 PM
Quote from: BigRTM on December 08, 2020, 11:39:23 PM
Florida loves them. They seem to have more of these than current state routes (The county roads here are usually old state roads).
Nah. NJ and NY are probably the two most pentagon-crazy states in the nation.
Agree with New Jersey, disagree with New York. There are a number of New York counties where use of the blue pentagon is lackluster to almost non-existent. If not for "CR 57" (a former state route), Onondaga County would lack them entirely, despite having a number of on-paper county routes. And I use "CR 57" in quotes because Onondaga County considers it CR 91...it's marked 57 only because it's the former NY 57.
Iowa is on par with New Jersey. One could even argue that Iowa is more "pentagon-crazy", though that's due more to size.
Monroe County, NY is another one where blue pentagons are basically non-existent.
Quote from: webny99 on December 12, 2020, 06:21:10 PM
Monroe County, NY is another one where blue pentagons are basically non-existent.
What about Orleans County? :sombrero:
Quote from: froggie on December 12, 2020, 06:09:29 PM
Iowa is on par with New Jersey. One could even argue that Iowa is more "pentagon-crazy", though that's due more to size.
Iowa could be the most pentagon-crazy state. I have noticed on the official county maps produced by IDOT that not all roads officially designated as county routes get a shield. Most are gravel roads, but there are a few paved roads. Also, Polk County does without pentagons. Granted much of the County is the Des Moines area, but enough is rural that they should, if only to be consistent with the rest of the state.
Quote from: DandyDan on December 13, 2020, 02:29:20 AM
Polk County does without pentagons.
Wow, how did I not realize that??? Mind blown.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 13, 2020, 12:43:52 AM
Quote from: webny99 on December 12, 2020, 06:21:10 PM
Monroe County, NY is another one where blue pentagons are basically non-existent.
What about Orleans County? :sombrero:
None that I'm aware of, although for its size, Orleans does have a lot of state routes (in other words, most of the significant roads already have a shield that's not the blue pentagon).
It might even have the highest state-routes-per-capita in the nation, which I'm sure will now be construed as a very positive feature.
Quote from: webny99 on December 14, 2020, 03:06:29 PM
It might even have the highest state-routes-per-capita in the nation, which I'm sure will now be construed as a very positive feature.
Esmeralda County, NV?
Quote from: 1 on December 14, 2020, 03:08:34 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 14, 2020, 03:06:29 PM
It might even have the highest state-routes-per-capita in the nation, which I'm sure will now be construed as a very positive feature.
Esmeralda County, NV?
I count 8 state highways (US/SR) in Esmeralda County. With a population of 783, that comes to 98 residents per route.
But let's not forget Loving County, TX. Although I only count 2 state highways (SR/RM) there, its population is only 169. That works out to 85 residents per route.
Even if I missed one, and there are 9 in Esmeralda County, then Loving County still just barely edges it out.
So I guess Orleans County is right where it belongs on that front too... non-competitive! :-P
Quote from: webny99 on December 14, 2020, 03:31:13 PM
So I guess Orleans County New York is right where it belongs on that front too... non-competitive! :-P
:D
Quote from: kphoger on December 14, 2020, 03:37:44 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 14, 2020, 03:31:13 PM
So I guess Orleans County New York is right where it belongs on that front too... non-competitive! :-P
Hamilton County has 5 state routes and a population of ~4,400. That's sub-1000, which isn't mind-blowing, but it's certainly enough to make it competitive - possibly even the winner (looking at you, northern Maine) - among counties east of the Mississippi.
Quote from: webny99 on December 14, 2020, 03:57:07 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 14, 2020, 03:37:44 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 14, 2020, 03:31:13 PM
So I guess Orleans County New York is right where it belongs on that front too... non-competitive! :-P
Hamilton County has 5 state routes and a population of ~4,400. That's sub-1000, which isn't mind-blowing, but it's certainly enough to make it competitive - possibly even the winner (looking at you, northern Maine) - among counties east of the Mississippi.
Ontonagon County MI has 1 US, 4 state and 1 inter-county route. With 5720 people (2019), that works out to 950 per route. Before M-107 was decommissioned, it would have been about 820.
Luce County has 3 state and 4 county. At 6229 people, that comes out to 889 per route.
I think the winner east of the Mississippi is in Kentucky. Remember that its state route numbers go into the thousands.
Quote from: 1 on December 14, 2020, 04:57:42 PM
I think the winner east of the Mississippi is in Kentucky. Remember that its state route numbers go into the thousands.
11 of them have a population of less than 8000, so I'd start there if I were you.
Ooh! This one will be hard to beat!
King County, TX...
Population: 285
US Routes: US-82, US-83
Primary State Routes: TX-222
Secondary State Routes: FM-193, FM-1168, FM-2569, FM-3416
(am I missing any?)
= 41 residents per route
Aren't secondary state routes cheating? Or at the very least, they're cheating to a similar degree as county routes, which I definitely think should not count.
Quote from: webny99 on December 14, 2020, 07:40:53 PM
Aren't secondary state routes cheating? Or at the very least, they're cheating to a similar degree as county routes, which I definitely think should not count.
How do you handle Kentucky, then? After all, what would be an FM/RM highway in Texas, or a lettered highway in Missouri, carries a circular shield in Kentucky. Specifically, which state highways do you expect us to exclude for Kentucky:
- the State Secondary System
- the Rural Secondary System
- the Supplemental Roads
Quote from: kphoger on December 15, 2020, 12:05:51 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 14, 2020, 07:40:53 PM
Aren't secondary state routes cheating? Or at the very least, they're cheating to a similar degree as county routes, which I definitely think should not count.
How do you handle Kentucky, then? After all, what would be an FM/RM highway in Texas, or a lettered highway in Missouri, carries a circular shield in Kentucky. Specifically, which state highways do you expect us to exclude for Kentucky:
- the State Secondary System
- the Rural Secondary System
- the Supplemental Roads
I'm not sure exactly how a route is distinguished between the State and Rural secondary systems, but I probably wouldn't include anything with four digits or the Supplemental Roads.
Quote from: webny99 on December 15, 2020, 07:33:12 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 15, 2020, 12:05:51 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 14, 2020, 07:40:53 PM
Aren't secondary state routes cheating? Or at the very least, they're cheating to a similar degree as county routes, which I definitely think should not count.
How do you handle Kentucky, then? After all, what would be an FM/RM highway in Texas, or a lettered highway in Missouri, carries a circular shield in Kentucky. Specifically, which state highways do you expect us to exclude for Kentucky:
- the State Secondary System
- the Rural Secondary System
- the Supplemental Roads
I'm not sure exactly how a route is distinguished between the State and Rural secondary systems, but I probably wouldn't include anything with four digits or the Supplemental Roads.
Well, then the Elizabethtown
Ring Road (https://goo.gl/maps/Dr9EqL6sb6YsVKgb6) is out. And so is the Louisville
Outer Loop (https://goo.gl/maps/PFM2G4tLJm6ZbrB2A). And the Winchester
bypass (https://goo.gl/maps/EjA6574WCVmrZXHv7).
OK, I wasn't exactly sure how the four-digit system worked. From what I could tell, it seemed to be mostly the lesser routes (that would be county routes in other states) that got four digits. I guess that's what I get for focusing my brief search on the rural areas. :meh:
Ohio is sporadic, usually by county and more common in Southern Ohio.
Summit County (Akron area) at one time had green pentagons on street blades...not sure if they still do.
Northwest New Mexico (Farmington area) goes one step further. In addition to blue county pentagons, they use red-on-white pentagons for non-county-maintained (NCM) roads.
Here is an example of a McMinn County, TN use.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.281158,-84.6072076,3a,41.3y,348.69h,87.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZvPutNaWlw2bNTF30Gm3Qw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.281158,-84.6072076,3a,41.3y,348.69h,87.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZvPutNaWlw2bNTF30Gm3Qw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
In some cases, the four-digit routes in Kentucky are major routes between county seats. Example: KY 1571. It's the through route between Beattyville and Irvine, as KY 52 is nine miles longer and crosses a mountain.
Rural secondary roads are under a special funding category. The state is obligated to spend a certain amount per county on RS routes. After routine maintenance is factored in, what's left over is generally used for resurfacing. The local governing body in each county (the fiscal court) can make recommendations on which routes it wants paved, but KYTC makes the final decision.
Supplemental roads are basically city streets, frontage roads, or old alignments in most cases. Many of them are not signed with numbered route markers.
Quote from: hbelkins on June 08, 2021, 04:43:27 PM
In some cases, the four-digit routes in Kentucky are major routes between county seats. Example: KY 1571. It's the through route between Beattyville and Irvine, as KY 52 is nine miles longer and crosses a mountain.
Rural secondary roads are under a special funding category. The state is obligated to spend a certain amount per county on RS routes. After routine maintenance is factored in, what's left over is generally used for resurfacing. The local governing body in each county (the fiscal court) can make recommendations on which routes it wants paved, but KYTC makes the final decision.
Supplemental roads are basically city streets, frontage roads, or old alignments in most cases. Many of them are not signed with numbered route markers.
That is also a halfway decent response to
this post (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29442.msg2622589#msg2622589).
Lee County, AR
(https://i.imgur.com/Paa7BAl.png)
I don't know if this counts but here's Cleveland County, AR
(https://i.imgur.com/7fHbNWy.png)
Both of these photos were taken quite a while ago with a pretty crappy camera, sorry for the poor quality
Not Massachusetts, as we don't have county roads.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 11, 2021, 09:09:45 PM
Not Massachusetts, as we don't have county roads.
(https://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/ma_27/ncr.jpg)
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 11, 2021, 09:09:45 PM
Not Massachusetts, as we don't have county roads.
There was a one-off pentagon shield which made an appearance near Acton:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50259635876_071cc2df3c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jzgLJ9)
Quote from: 1 on June 11, 2021, 09:15:02 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 11, 2021, 09:09:45 PM
Not Massachusetts, as we don't have county roads.
(https://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/ma_27/ncr.jpg)
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Is MA 27 maintained by the county in Acton?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 11, 2021, 09:26:26 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 11, 2021, 09:15:02 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 11, 2021, 09:09:45 PM
Not Massachusetts, as we don't have county roads.
(https://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/ma_27/ncr.jpg)
(alpsroads)
Is MA 27 maintained by the county in Acton?
That is really not how counties in Massachusetts work. Many counties in Massachusetts have been abolished and only as act as geographic lines on paper. County government in Massachusetts is weak in form. There may at one time been limited county roads. The sign in question for Middlesex County which no longer exists as a governmental unit is a vestigial remnant and quite a find. I had no idea such a thing even existed in Massachusetts.
Per Wikipedia which I generally do not quote but it works here.
The legislation abolishing the Middlesex County executive retained the Sheriff and Registers of Deeds as independently elected officials, and transferred the Sheriff's Office under the state Department of Public Safety and the two Registry of Deeds offices to the Massachusetts Secretary of State's Office.[20] Additionally, all county maintenance and security employees were absorbed into the corresponding staffs of the Massachusetts Trial Court. The legislation also transferred ownership of the two Superior Courthouses to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. The hospital was closed. Finally, the office of County Commissioner was immediately abolished and the office of County Treasurer was abolished as of December 31, 2002.[21] Any county roads transferred to the Commonwealth as part of the dissolution. The other administrative duties (such as Sheriff, Department of Deeds and court system, etc.) and all supporting staff were transferred under the Commonwealth as well.
It's not an old shield. It's an error shield.
Quote from: 1 on June 12, 2021, 10:08:03 AM
It's not an old shield. It's an error shield.
Well that makes far more sense for sure with the state in question. That is just now how things are done in Massachusetts. What the state doesn't handle the towns/cities handle. Every square inch of Massachusetts is incorporated into a municipality.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 12, 2021, 09:37:35 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 11, 2021, 09:26:26 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 11, 2021, 09:15:02 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 11, 2021, 09:09:45 PM
Not Massachusetts, as we don't have county roads.
(https://www.alpsroads.net/roads/ma/ma_27/ncr.jpg)
(alpsroads)
Is MA 27 maintained by the county in Acton?
That is really not how counties in Massachusetts work. Many counties in Massachusetts have been abolished and only as act as geographic lines on paper. County government in Massachusetts is weak in form. There may at one time been limited county roads. The sign in question for Middlesex County which no longer exists as a governmental unit is a vestigial remnant and quite a find. I had no idea such a thing even existed in Massachusetts.
Per Wikipedia which I generally do not quote but it works here.
The legislation abolishing the Middlesex County executive retained the Sheriff and Registers of Deeds as independently elected officials, and transferred the Sheriff's Office under the state Department of Public Safety and the two Registry of Deeds offices to the Massachusetts Secretary of State's Office.[20] Additionally, all county maintenance and security employees were absorbed into the corresponding staffs of the Massachusetts Trial Court. The legislation also transferred ownership of the two Superior Courthouses to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. The hospital was closed. Finally, the office of County Commissioner was immediately abolished and the office of County Treasurer was abolished as of December 31, 2002.[21] Any county roads transferred to the Commonwealth as part of the dissolution. The other administrative duties (such as Sheriff, Department of Deeds and court system, etc.) and all supporting staff were transferred under the Commonwealth as well.
I know that. The sign seemed way too detailed to be an error. They did get the county name right.
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 06, 2020, 11:23:07 AM
Indiana does not use them, but the Toll Road uses it on signs for the CR 17 exit in Elkhart County.
There used to be at least one on Johnson County Road 144 at its western end where it met SR 37 and SR 144. CR 144 itself is a bit of an odd duck as it doesn't fit into the usual grid system that Johnson County (and most of Indiana) uses for its county roads. Instead it connects the two segments of SR 144.
The sign has been gone for some time but it caught my attention as a kid on my many trips along SR 37 since I'd otherwise never see those signs in Indiana.
Looks like Mississippi needs to be added to the list. They like to write all over the pentagon but it is used in Lee and Prentiss counties for sure.
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2667124,-88.5738829,3a,17.7y,166.2h,78.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sj_lsQrOAIzIObrqwegF9hA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2667124,-88.5738829,3a,17.7y,166.2h,78.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sj_lsQrOAIzIObrqwegF9hA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Quote from: GaryV on December 14, 2020, 04:17:10 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 14, 2020, 03:57:07 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 14, 2020, 03:37:44 PM
Quote from: webny99 on December 14, 2020, 03:31:13 PM
So I guess Orleans County New York is right where it belongs on that front too... non-competitive! :-P
Hamilton County has 5 state routes and a population of ~4,400. That's sub-1000, which isn't mind-blowing, but it's certainly enough to make it competitive - possibly even the winner (looking at you, northern Maine) - among counties east of the Mississippi.
Ontonagon County MI has 1 US, 4 state and 1 inter-county route. With 5720 people (2019), that works out to 950 per route. Before M-107 was decommissioned, it would have been about 820.
Luce County has 3 state and 4 county. At 6229 people, that comes out to 889 per route.
There are no inter-county highways in Ontonagon County. If you're thinking of the "H-16" on the state map, that's Federal Forest Highway 16; Ontonagon County would be in the G section of the grid. So redoing your math there, 1,054 people per highway.
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2020, 10:51:41 AM
Wisconsin uses a white rectangle inside a black square.
Missouri uses a black-bordered white square for single letters or black-bordered white rectangles for double letters.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/WIS_County_FF.svg/200px-WIS_County_FF.svg.png) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/MO-supp-FF.svg/200px-MO-supp-FF.svg.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/WIS_County_J.svg/200px-WIS_County_J.svg.png) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/MO-supp-J.svg/200px-MO-supp-J.svg.png)
Yes, I'm a bit late with this reply, but to me (living here in Appleton, WI), the way that Wisconsin does its county highways is very much a 'comfort' thing - it tells me that I am *home*. Wisconsin thoroughly marks its county highways statewide and the sign shops in only a couple of counties 'up north' don't use the exact Wisconsin shield design (they use a more 'blank' square shield, instead). I have always very much liked Wisconsin's County sign shields (the ones on the left above), too. OTOH, IMHO, the MUTCD pentagon design is too 'busy'.
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on September 07, 2022, 11:23:16 AM
Quote from: kphoger on December 10, 2020, 10:51:41 AM
Wisconsin uses a white rectangle inside a black square.
Missouri uses a black-bordered white square for single letters or black-bordered white rectangles for double letters.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/WIS_County_FF.svg/200px-WIS_County_FF.svg.png) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/MO-supp-FF.svg/200px-MO-supp-FF.svg.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/WIS_County_J.svg/200px-WIS_County_J.svg.png) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/MO-supp-J.svg/200px-MO-supp-J.svg.png)
Yes, I'm a bit late with this reply, but to me (living here in Appleton, WI), the way that Wisconsin does its county highways is very much a 'comfort' thing - it tells me that I am *home*. Wisconsin thoroughly marks its county highways statewide and the sign shops in only a couple of counties 'up north' don't use the exact Wisconsin shield design (they use a more 'blank' square shield, instead). I have always very much liked Wisconsin's County sign shields (the ones on the left above), too. OTOH, IMHO, the MUTCD pentagon design is too 'busy'.
Mike
Waukesha County has a bunch of signs that stray from the standard and look like this.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8573032,-88.4894137,3a,42.3y,102.92h,89.97t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2Mk0rclbODPgAJO6ge3DnA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D2Mk0rclbODPgAJO6ge3DnA%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D245.66985%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
BTW, I agree with mgk that I love the lettered county highways. Well marked and maintained throughout the state.
Whether it be the blue pentagon shields or the rectangular lettered signs, I like states that consistently use some method of differentiating among non-state roads. While I know it's not always 100% the case, generally a signed county route in Wisconsin is going to be a better quality road than an unsigned one.
In Indiana, where there's no distinction, CR 200 N might be a road striped with center lines, medians, and recent pavement, whereas CR 300 N might be a gravel road, and there's no way to know without actually driving them or looking at them in advance on GSV.
Minnesota's county-by-county patchwork of blue and white shields frustrates me. I wish they had the same meaning statewide.
Quote from: kphoger on September 07, 2022, 11:46:23 AM
Minnesota's county-by-county patchwork of blue and white shields frustrates me. I wish they had the same meaning statewide.
I just got back from Colorado, where I saw alternating use of the blue pentagons and green squares to mark county highways. Consistency is indeed nice.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52337047563_9098b1410d_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nJR3R2) (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52337317629_7756432e17_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nJSr8k)
CO-COU31-US550ER (https://flic.kr/p/2nJR3R2) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr CO-US285-CSGV.5N (https://flic.kr/p/2nJSr8k) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr
And yes, "V" is a number you can split into decimals, now.
Quote from: paulthemapguy on September 07, 2022, 02:15:45 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 07, 2022, 11:46:23 AM
Minnesota's county-by-county patchwork of blue and white shields frustrates me. I wish they had the same meaning statewide.
I just got back from Colorado, where I saw alternating use of the blue pentagons and green squares to mark county highways. Consistency is indeed nice.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52337047563_9098b1410d_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nJR3R2) (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52337317629_7756432e17_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nJSr8k)
CO-COU31-US550ER (https://flic.kr/p/2nJR3R2) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr CO-US285-CSGV.5N (https://flic.kr/p/2nJSr8k) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr
And yes, "V" is a number you can split into decimals, now.
There are exceptions, but based on what I've seen the green square vs. blue pentagon seems to be a county-by-county decision. Green squares abound in Routt County, but I think neighboring Moffat County was almost all pentagons.
I love Colorado's county route grids. Without even looking at where it is, I'm betting it's on a half section line between CR V and CR W.
Quote from: CoreySamson on September 07, 2020, 09:25:21 PM
Brazoria County in Texas installed some pentagons when they rebuilt and extended CR 220 around 7 years ago:
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1242927,-95.4304217,3a,26.1y,59.9h,89.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTCA73-dJxlaZc50g4ahFGA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
The odd thing is Brazoria County normally uses a different county shield, a green square which looks like this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1732724,-95.4384028,3a,15y,340.96h,86.57t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdSBUp5G0WMfQ-_LUwpVGtA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
From what I've seen, no other green squares around the county have been replaced with pentagons since they rebuilt CR 220, so I'm wondering if this is a contractor error. Of course it may just be that the CR 220 shields were the only ones needing replacement. I'll see if I can find any other pentagons to see if this is a county-wide thing.
There are other counties in Texas that use the blue pentagon. I live in Hays County and growing up that's the place where I saw my first blue pentagon. Of course the signage of them is very few and far between.
Quote from: US 89 on September 07, 2022, 06:11:38 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on September 07, 2022, 02:15:45 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 07, 2022, 11:46:23 AM
Minnesota's county-by-county patchwork of blue and white shields frustrates me. I wish they had the same meaning statewide.
I just got back from Colorado, where I saw alternating use of the blue pentagons and green squares to mark county highways. Consistency is indeed nice.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52337047563_9098b1410d_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nJR3R2) (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52337317629_7756432e17_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nJSr8k)
CO-COU31-US550ER (https://flic.kr/p/2nJR3R2) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr CO-US285-CSGV.5N (https://flic.kr/p/2nJSr8k) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr
And yes, "V" is a number you can split into decimals, now.
There are exceptions, but based on what I've seen the green square vs. blue pentagon seems to be a county-by-county decision. Green squares abound in Routt County, but I think neighboring Moffat County was almost all pentagons.
I love Colorado's county route grids. Without even looking at where it is, I'm betting it's on a half section line between CR V and CR W.
Gunnison County, Colorado:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51680199508_0717d4fe30_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mJNwNy)
Rio Blanco County:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51388333954_47f5c57a31_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mi1DkQ)
The only one I found in Garfield County was for CR 215 in West Parachute, but I think that was just on US 6 or I-70, since everything else I saw used a street blade to denote counties.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51717251700_0fb51fedb6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mN5r8s)
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 07, 2022, 11:38:36 AM
Waukesha County has a bunch of signs that stray from the standard and look like this.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8573032,-88.4894137,3a,42.3y,102.92h,89.97t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2Mk0rclbODPgAJO6ge3DnA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D2Mk0rclbODPgAJO6ge3DnA%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D245.66985%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
BTW, I agree with mgk that I love the lettered county highways. Well marked and maintained throughout the state.
That is the shield design that is used by those few 'oddball' counties. Besides a part of Waukesha County, I believe that Lincoln County (in the northwoods) uses that design. Also, a county that is well north of Green Bay also uses them.
Mike
Quote from: DandyDan on September 06, 2020, 05:45:12 AM
Minnehaha County in South Dakota uses blue pentagons. I can't begin to tell you whether anywhere else in South Dakota does, being I haven't been there since 2012.
A good number of other counties do, Meade, Lincoln, Custer, Fall River, Brookings, off the top of my head. SDDOT has been replacing signage for counties, and anywhere they do they put up the pentagons.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52342299384_219b9b91d0_c.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52342430445_3a5df13759_c.jpg)
Quote from: SD Mapman on September 07, 2022, 09:52:54 PM
Quote from: DandyDan on September 06, 2020, 05:45:12 AM
Minnehaha County in South Dakota uses blue pentagons. I can't begin to tell you whether anywhere else in South Dakota does, being I haven't been there since 2012.
A good number of other counties do, Meade, Lincoln, Custer, Fall River, Brookings, off the top of my head. SDDOT has been replacing signage for counties, and anywhere they do they put up the pentagons.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52342299384_219b9b91d0_c.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52342430445_3a5df13759_c.jpg)
Doesn't Pennington County use pentagons inside street blades?
Yes. My mother lives outside of Rapid City on SD 44 and that's exactly how they're posted currently.
Quote from: ClassicHasClass on September 08, 2022, 11:33:07 PM
Yes. My mother lives outside of Rapid City on SD 44 and that's exactly how they're posted currently.
Also, haven't seen Utah mentioned here. At least a few places when I was out there in '06 used "baby shields," like this one in Juab county: http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/6/u6/#sec_20
I mentioned Utah on the first page of this thread. Those "baby shields" aren't county road shields - that is the shield for the federal aid route system, which is numbered on a statewide basis with clustered numbers by county. The system includes just about every major road that isn't a state highway, including county-maintained roads and city streets, but the routes are generally unsigned with only sporadic mini-pentagons in more rural areas. I wrote up a more detailed explanation in another thread a while back (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=26062.msg2461788#msg2461788).
Actual numbered county routes are pretty rare in the state. From what I can remember, I've only ever seen pentagons regularly used in Duchesne and Daggett County, plus on one road in Washington County (CR 91 - old US 91). Uintah and San Juan Counties have their own systems of numbered CRs as well but have their own special, county-outline shields for them.
Sorry, I didn't see your post. I'll remove the mention.
In Illinois I've seen them around Rockford and South Beloit. I'm fairly certain Rockton Rd. is one.
Northern Ohio is predominantly square shields, but the further south you go (using US-224 West-to-East as a reference point) the more you'll see pentagons.
Quote from: thenetwork on September 09, 2022, 09:44:43 PM
Northern Ohio is predominantly square shields, but the further south you go (using US-224 West-to-East as a reference point) the more you'll see pentagons.
I live in central Ohio, I can't think of any nearby counties that use pentagons. Most normally you'll see the designation on the blade, if at all:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220911/425f1b5c211da6657c907b1a339720c8.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220911/416c048069fc52a773e81f34d05b3de0.jpg)
A couple places have started using square shields, normally supplemented with the blade as well. Every now and then you'll find a unicorn:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220911/1e0d749b8dcb0ab5436133be7d9c1fa4.jpg)
Quote from: ClassicHasClass on September 08, 2022, 11:33:07 PM
Yes. My mother lives outside of Rapid City on SD 44 and that's exactly how they're posted currently.
Yeah, even with the new signs that went up recently(example (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.0311523,-103.0913154,3a,25.3y,240.85h,86.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saR9s7vFSewu_b9TFjBQf2g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)) they kept that design.
Off topic, but my grandma used to live off of Nemo Rd outside Rapid, small world!
Very cool. Nemo Rd is a nice little drive. It was one of Dad's favourites before he died. She's over in Johnson Siding.
Quote from: mrose on September 09, 2022, 02:01:09 AM
In Illinois I've seen them around Rockford and South Beloit. I'm fairly certain Rockton Rd. is one.
Winnebago County, home of Rockton and Rockford, uses the pentagons. See my previous statement:
Quote from: paulthemapguy on October 26, 2020, 10:01:30 AM
Illinois counties that use the blue pentagon include Winnebago, McHenry, Lake, DuPage, Kane (inconsistently), DeKalb (starting recently), Kendall (starting last year), Kankakee, Iroquois, Livingston, McLean, Logan, Macon, McDonough, Knox, Peoria, Woodford, LaSalle, Bureau, Rock Island (who uses letters instead of numbers like Wisconsin), Henry, St. Clair, Sangamon, Champaign, Vermilion, Piatt, Douglas, Coles, Edgar, Fayette, Effingham, Clinton, Christian, Cumberland, Mason, Menard and DeWitt. See Bill Burmaster's page. (http://www.billburmaster.com/rmsandw/illinois/county/index.html)
(Clay County (http://www.billburmaster.com/rmsandw/illinois/county/clay.html) uses the white square like some places in Minnesota.)
Edit: Forgot to mention Warren, and forgot to mention Cook (sporadically).
To add to my previous statement, a little birdy told me that Will County will start using the pentagons within the next year :biggrin:
I don't remember where offhand, but I'm pretty sure I've seen blue pentagons in at least one or two Illinois counties south of I-80. And this was several years ago.
Quote from: froggie on September 05, 2020, 11:57:06 PM
Not all counties in Minnesota use the blue pentagon. Some use the white square, while others use BOTH the blue pentagon and white square.
Louisiana is rare, but there are at least a couple parishes where I have seen blue pentagons.
There are a few counties in Mississippi where one will see the blue pentagon...namely those counties where the county decided to number their roads instead of name them.
Some counties number their roads but just use standard street signs for them. Specifically Jasper county. Neighboring Smith county uses the blue pentagon.
Quote from: paulthemapguy on September 12, 2022, 09:26:19 AM
See my previous statement:
Quote from: paulthemapguy on October 26, 2020, 10:01:30 AM
Illinois counties that use the blue pentagon include Winnebago, McHenry, Lake, DuPage, Kane (inconsistently), DeKalb (starting recently), Kendall (starting last year), Kankakee, Iroquois, Livingston, McLean, Logan, Macon, McDonough, Knox, Peoria, Woodford, LaSalle, Bureau, Rock Island (who uses letters instead of numbers like Wisconsin), Henry, St. Clair, Sangamon, Champaign, Vermilion, Piatt, Douglas, Coles, Edgar, Fayette, Effingham, Clinton, Christian, Cumberland, Mason, Menard and DeWitt.
Quote from: froggie on September 12, 2022, 08:08:21 PM
I don't remember where offhand, but I'm pretty sure I've seen blue pentagons in at least one or two Illinois counties south of I-80. And this was several years ago.
Well, yeah, most of those counties are south of I-80.
I don't think I have ever seen one in Georgia. Anyone see one in Georgia?
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 16, 2022, 02:06:39 PM
I don't think I have ever seen one in Georgia. Anyone see one in Georgia?
I've never seen a pentagon shield - or for that matter, any standalone county route shield - in GA.
I know I've seen "CR xx" in small print on a street blade next to an apparenly more-used name, and maybe even a pentagon outline on a blade somewhere? Think that was in eastern GA somewhere. But no shields.
Quote from: US 89 on September 16, 2022, 03:37:32 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 16, 2022, 02:06:39 PM
I don't think I have ever seen one in Georgia. Anyone see one in Georgia?
I've never seen a pentagon shield - or for that matter, any standalone county route shield - in GA.
I know I've seen "CR xx" in small print on a street blade next to an apparenly more-used name, and maybe even a pentagon outline on a blade somewhere? Think that was in eastern GA somewhere. But no shields.
The only pentagon shields in Georgia are for the South Georgia Parkway along SR 520...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7897/46462076955_33087a127c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dMGhLk)
I have seen a few of these in Southern Georgia.
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.6458114,-83.4517667,3a,39.4y,223.84h,86.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKztuAsAcs0YgrCf2vIZv_A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.6458114,-83.4517667,3a,39.4y,223.84h,86.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKztuAsAcs0YgrCf2vIZv_A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
I was surprised to find them in Northern California on I-5.
LA DOTD uses the blue & yellow pentagon, even in parishes that don't use them or have never used them.
670 Tarbutton Rd
https://maps.app.goo.gl/iHPfd88iH122dxiB6
Compare the Google streetview sign to my avatar, which is that of a real Lincoln Parish route marker. Lincoln has not used route markers since the implementation of E-911 in the 90s. They now use blue street blades with no mention of former route numbers.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 25, 2022, 09:43:05 PM
I was surprised to find them in Northern California on I-5.
Does LA county even post them?
Quote from: formulanone on September 16, 2022, 04:49:11 PM
Quote from: US 89 on September 16, 2022, 03:37:32 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 16, 2022, 02:06:39 PM
I don't think I have ever seen one in Georgia. Anyone see one in Georgia?
I've never seen a pentagon shield - or for that matter, any standalone county route shield - in GA.
I know I've seen "CR xx" in small print on a street blade next to an apparenly more-used name, and maybe even a pentagon outline on a blade somewhere? Think that was in eastern GA somewhere. But no shields.
The only pentagon shields in Georgia are for the South Georgia Parkway along SR 520...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7897/46462076955_33087a127c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dMGhLk)
You know what - I posted that on the 16th? I actually drove a bunch of 520 on the 18th, saw those shields, and immediately thought of this thread. Never got around to uploading my own photos...
Quote from: US 89 on September 27, 2022, 12:49:11 AM
Quote from: formulanone on September 16, 2022, 04:49:11 PM
Quote from: US 89 on September 16, 2022, 03:37:32 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 16, 2022, 02:06:39 PM
I don't think I have ever seen one in Georgia. Anyone see one in Georgia?
I've never seen a pentagon shield - or for that matter, any standalone county route shield - in GA.
I know I've seen "CR xx" in small print on a street blade next to an apparenly more-used name, and maybe even a pentagon outline on a blade somewhere? Think that was in eastern GA somewhere. But no shields.
The only pentagon shields in Georgia are for the South Georgia Parkway along SR 520...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7897/46462076955_33087a127c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dMGhLk)
You know what - I posted that on the 16th? I actually drove a bunch of 520 on the 18th, saw those shields, and immediately thought of this thread. Never got around to uploading my own photos...
The shield design is a terrible use of negative space; there really should be something in the center, even if just "520".
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 26, 2022, 11:30:51 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 25, 2022, 09:43:05 PM
I was surprised to find them in Northern California on I-5.
Does LA county even post them?
In general? Absolutely, there are a number of them (I used to use part of LACo N5 as a shortcut around Lancaster-Palmdale when coming down CA 138) and they are overall decently signed.
If you mean from the Interstate, I don't recall seeing any for Los Angeles county off the top of my head, but county shields are often posted on freeway guide signage in many places (like SBCo 66 on I-40 in Needles, or SDCo S12 from I-15).
Quote from: ClassicHasClass on September 27, 2022, 11:59:05 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 26, 2022, 11:30:51 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 25, 2022, 09:43:05 PM
I was surprised to find them in Northern California on I-5.
Does LA county even post them?
In general? Absolutely, there are a number of them (I used to use part of LACo N5 as a shortcut around Lancaster-Palmdale when coming down CA 138) and they are overall decently signed.
If you mean from the Interstate, I don't recall seeing any for Los Angeles county off the top of my head, but county shields are often posted on freeway guide signage in many places (like SBCo 66 on I-40 in Needles, or SDCo S12 from I-15).
I don't remember seeing any county pentagon signs in LA County at all.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 27, 2022, 06:42:39 PM
I don't remember seeing any county pentagon signs in LA County at all.
I believe there are some on the canyon roads (N2 - Malibu Canyon and N9 - Kanan Dume). Certainly signed at the ends (PCH and 101). I recall signs off of Route 138 for N4 and one of the other Ns. Not sure how well N3 or N1 are signed. I think there are one or two for N7 down in PV. So they are signed.
What county is the best at signing with the blue pentagon per state?