Arizona DOT does not allow 2 numbered highways to travel between 2 points.
Example: at one time AZ88 and US60 both roads traveled from Apache Junction to Miami today only US60 travels between these Cities, AZ88 ends at Roosevelt at Jct AZ188.
Other Examples
US60 & AZ260 Show Low To Springerville (260 now ends in Eager)
I-10 & AZ84 Downtown Casa Grande to Jct I-10, AZ 84, AZ87 (AZ84 Ends In Downtown Casa Grande at Jct AZ387 & AZ287)
Are there other states that have this rule?
Not only does Virginia not have this absurd rule, they have twice had a situation where two different roads with the same number travel between two points:
US 360 and VA 360 from Danville to near Scottsburg (since 1984)
US 29 and VA 29 from Culpeper to Warrenton (1933-49)
Examples in Virginia that would violate Arizona's rule (which they violate with all its interstate business loops, US 60/I-10 and I-10/17)
US 1 and VA 2 (Richmond to Fredericksburg)
US 17 and VA 3 (Fredericksburg to Gloucester)
VA 3 and VA 200 (White Stone to Kilmarnock)
US 60 and VA 5 (Richmond to Williamsburg)
US 50 and VA 7 (Winchester to Falls Church)
US 60 and VA 13 (Cumberland CH to Powhatan CH)
US 15 and VA 20 (Dillwyn to Orange)
US 29 and VA 28 (Remington to Centreville)
I-64 and VA 33
US 11 and VA 37 in Winchester
US 460 and VA 40 (Blackstone to Waverly)
VA 57 and VA 457 in Martinsville
US 460 and VA 61 (Tazewell to Narrows)
VA 63 and VA 83
US 11 and VA 100
US 460 Bus and VA 111
US 421 and VA 113
US 11 and VA 117
US 501 and VA 129
US 460 Bus and VA 131
I-64 and VA 134
I-64 and VA 143
US 258 and VA 143
US 60 and VA 147
I-295 and VA 156
US 58 ALT and VA 158
US 1 and VA 161
I-95 and VA 161
US 29 Bus and VA 163
US 13 and VA 166
VA 165 and VA 168
I-64 and VA 168
several routes and VA 337
VA 3 and VA 205
There are probably more...
Mapmikey
In the UK - A282 and M25 end on each other (M25 going the long way, A282 going the 5 mile way).
I don't think there's any other end-on-each-other where both routes start and end at the same point in the UK, but there's lots of roads that start and end on the same road (like old routes that have been bypassed) and perhaps a couple where road x starts on road y and road y then ends on road x. There's also things like the A41 and A5, which cross each other twice, and there's lots of cases where motorways will have several junctions with one road (IIRC the A38 and M5 share about 10 junctions)
Missouri
Doesn't appear to be such a rule
MO 30 and I-44: From the I-55/Gravois interchange out to St. Clair.
I-64, US 40 and I-70: From the west end of the PSB out to Wentzville
I-29/US 71 and US 169: From north of downtown KC to St. Joesph
MO 5 and MO 87 between Booneville and Glasgow
MO 151 runs on what appears to be an old alignment of MO 22 just west of Centralia
MO 168 and US 61 from the north end of Hannibal to Palmyra
In California...
I-280 and US 101 between San Jose and San Francisco
Route 99 and I-5 between Wheeler Ridge and Sacramento
Route 60 and I-10 between Los Angeles and Beaumont
Route 154 and US 101 between Los Olivos and Santa Barbara
Route 85 and US 101 between south San Jose and Mountain View
Route 9 and Route 236 (former alignment of Route 9) north of Boulder Creek
Route 13 and I-580 between Oakland and Berkeley
Route 1 and US 101 along the coastline west of Ventura, and between Gaviota and Arroyo Grande, San Luis Obispo and San Francisco, and Marin City and Leggett
Route 33 and I-5 between I-5 Exit 349 and Exit 452
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 12, 2010, 06:54:27 AM
There are probably more...
Mapmikey
I was looking for US 460 and US 221.
QuoteI was looking for US 460 and US 221.
You won't find it. Though they duplex between Roanoke and Bedford, they only meet that one time. Not since 1975 (and that one only lasted 5 years) would US 221 and US 460 be on this list...
I'm pretty sure this list is not meant to include Interstates and their US/state route partner that they bypassed...
Back in the day, NJ 24 went west from Newark to Phillipsburg. So did (and does) US 22. Originally, both of these were the same caliber route, and US 22 was much shorter (and less mountainous). Guess what - US 22 was improved (dualized, part of which eventually became I-78) and NJ 24 was truncated.
Both ends of NJ 36 are at NJ 35. You'd never use 36 to connect them - it's a huge backwards C. Even worse is NY 28, which once began at US 9W (at that time, US 9 was split into W and E) and also ends at US 9, and is a much huger C. 28 still begins and ends east of the Thruway (I-87) while spending most of its time to the west.
AL 119 and AL 25 both run from Montevallo to Leeds, but take different routes through Shelby County.
Also, Both US 31 and US 431 run from Franklin to Nashville, TN.
Quote from: froggie on May 12, 2010, 05:32:33 PM
QuoteI was looking for US 460 and US 221.
You won't find it. Though they duplex between Roanoke and Bedford, they only meet that one time. Not since 1975 (and that one only lasted 5 years) would US 221 and US 460 be on this list...
I was interpreting "points" to mean towns, not specific intersection points; therefore I was thinking of those two between Bedford and Lynchburg.
I-20 and U.S. 80 run parallel with each other throughout central Mississippi.
AZ 66 and I-40 between Kingman & Ash Fork
US-41 and M-26 between Copper Harbor and Hancock, Michigan
US-41, M-26, and M-203 between Calumet and Hancock, Michigan (how's that for three different routes!)
US-41 and M-35 between Menominee and Escanaba, Michigan and between Gladstone and Neguanee, Michigan
M-123 and M-28 between Newberry and Eckerman, Michigan
US-2 and M-69 between Crystal Falls and Bark River, Michigan
I-43 and US-41 between Milwaukee and Green Bay, Wisconsin
I-43 and WIS-57 between Saukville and Green Bay, Wisconsin
WIS-42 and WIS-57 between Sturgeon Bay and Sister Bay, Wisconsin
US-2 and WIS-13 between Superior and Ashland, Wsiconsin
I-94 and WIS-16 between Waukesha and Wisconsin Dells, Wisconsin
I-24 and US-45 between Vienna and Metropolis, Illinois
I-90 and US-12 between Maywood, Illinois and Madison, Wisconsin
I-94 and US-12 between Chicago, Illinois (95th St) and Lake Delton, Wisconsin
I-90 and US-14 between Janesville and LaCrosse, Wisconsin
An old set of now changed routes and even a decommissioned route,
US-66 (formerly IL-4) and IL-4A (now partly IL-171) between Chicago and Joliet, Illinois
A few parallel routes that may or may not count,
I-80 and US-6 from Davenport, IA to Lansing, IL
I-74 and US-150 from Moline to Danville, IL
I-39/US-51 and IL-251 from Kappa, IL to Beloit, WI
I-70 and US-40 from Troy, IL to Terre Haulte, IN
I-57 and US-45 from Effingham to Kankakee, IL
A couple of more California examples:
Route 158 and US 395 near June Lake
Route 36 and Route 172 (former segment of Route 36) between Mineral and Mill Creek
Route 193 and Route 49 between Auburn and Placerville
US 101 and Route 135 (former US 101) between Santa Maria and Los Alamos
Route 35 and Route 1 between San Francisco and Pacifica
Route 98 and I-8 between Ocotillo and I-8 Exit 143
Route 86 and 111 between Mecca and Heber
US 101 and Route 254 (former US 101) through Humboldt Redwoods State Park
Route 12 and Route 116 almost do this (but not quite, with a short segment of Route 121 between the two in Sonoma). Another close-but-not-quite is Route 88 and Route 26 between Pioneer and Stockton, as well as I-10 and Route 111 between Cabazon and Indio.
Here are some routes that parelell each other between the same cities in NM:
NM 14 and I 25, between Albuquerque and Santa Fe
NM 1 and I-25 beteeen Socorro and T or C
NM 2 and US 285 between Roswell and Artesia
NY 5 and NY 33 parallel each other from Buffalo to Batavia.
One random example I happened upon looking through an atlas is US 371 and US 278 in southwest Arkansas, between Nashville and Rosston...
Another one I can think of is US 311 and US 220 between Madison and Randleman in North Carolina.
While not quite qualifying, the Muskogee Turnpike/Broken Arrow Expressway combo and US 64 both take different routes between Tulsa and Muskogee.
US 62 and 412 between Alpena, AR and Springdale, AR
US 64 and 412 in several places in OK
US 62 and 277 in southwest OK
US 59 and 71 between Acorn, AR and St Joseph, MO
US 60 and 66 between Vinita, OK and Amarillo, TX and between Amarillo and the Four-Level Interchange in LA.
For a current example...US 6 and 44 between I-384's terminus and Providence. Another current example is Route 38 and Route 18 around Big Bear Lake, formerly Route 18 and 30.
Some historic examples:
I-10/US 70/99 and US 60 took different paths between Pomona and Beaumont (with 70 actually being north of 60 for that entire duration).
Another one: US 466 and US 66 between Barstow and Kingman (though IIRC, they never intersected in Barstow).
US 6 and US 66 between Joliet and the Four-Level Interchange in Los Angeles.
Route 30 and US 66 between San Dimas and San Bernardino.
Route 71 and Route 74 between Anza and Lake Elsinore.
Route 2 and US 66 between Hollywood and Cajon.
Route 18 and US 66/91 between Victorville and San Bernardino
Route 18 and US 395 between Mountain View Acres and San Bernardino
Quote from: TheStranger on May 16, 2010, 03:52:54 AM
Another one: US 466 and US 66 between Barstow and Kingman (though IIRC, they never intersected in Barstow).
that is correct. They were about a mile apart in Barstow, separated by the US-91 (1st Ave) bridge across the railroad tracks and the Mojave river, which connected the 66/91 multiplex to the 91/466 multiplex.
speaking of 91 - US-6 and US-91 between Santaquin, UT (just south of Salt Lake City) and Long Beach.
Given how US-6 ends up heading east to terminate at US-91, which is heading west, it would be quite impressive to renumber US-91 as US-6 and have it intersect itself in the Salt Lake City area before terminating at Sweetgrass, Montana, 5000 indirect miles away from Provincetown! :-D
And thanks to I-70, US 6 and US 50 now do this in Utah from Delta to Green River.
Quote from: ausinterkid on May 13, 2010, 01:59:51 AM
AZ 66 and I-40 between Kingman & Ash Fork
AZ66 Ends In Ash Fork 2 Blocks North Of I-40
Mapmikey, I disagree on many of your Virginia examples. Quite a few of those route pairs may meet multiple times, but their primary destinations differ. For instance, I-64 and VA 134: They meet twice (and multiplex briefly) in Hampton, but 134 connects downtown Hampton with Yorktown VIA US 17, which I-64 arguably does not. Same for US 258 and VA 143: they share a common end at Fort Monroe, and cross each other again in Newport News, but 143 travels north from there to Williamsburg, while 258 travels south across the James River Bridge and into NC.
I'm surprised nobody has brought up I-90 and I-94 yet. I don't know of any two interstates that meet together so many times while taking different routes in between. I-94 splits off of I-90 at Billings, MT, then they meet again at Tomah, WI and multpilex from there to Madison, split again, meet and multiplex through Chicago, then split off again and cross one final time in NW Indiana.
There are at least several instances of this in Nebraska. NE 1 begins and ends at US 34(the E. junction is actually US 34/75). NE 109 begins and ends at US 77(it is an old alignment of US 77). NE 12 splits off from US 20 W. of South Sioux City and ends in Valentine at US 83 about a 1/2 mile N. of US 20.
Also, US 6 and US 34 have a relationship kind of like I-90 and I-94. Going WB they sort of first meet in Lincoln-they don't directly meet as US 6 travels over the I-180/US 34 freeway without an interchange and access is provided at the Cornhusker Hwy. interchange just to the N. where US 6 is just a couple of blocks to the E and then take different routes to Hastings where they meet again. They are then multiplexed for a pretty long distance across southern Nebraska, splitting again W. of Culbertson. They almost meet again just E. of Brush, CO where US 6 joins up with I-76 and US 34 picks up BL I-76 through Brush and Ft. Morgan. Then W. of Ft. Morgan, US 34 joins with the I-76/US 6 multiplex for about 8 miles, splitting again finally when US 34 heads W. to Greeley and Estes Park while I-76 and US 6 continue SW to Denver.
Huskeroadgeek: Similar to your US 34/US 6 example...is the pairing of US 26 and US 30:
- Originally, they both shared termini in Astoria (US 26 has since been truncated southward, as its final few miles to Astoria were shared with US 101)
- Both routes go to Portland, though they do not meet up
- US 26 now first meets up with US 30 in Caldwell, ID, where they run together with I-84 for a few miles
- US 26 (and US 20) use Chinden Boulevard from Caldwell to Boise, while US 30 runs along I-84
- Between Bliss, ID and Ogallala, NE...US 26 and 30 diverge at their greatest distances from each other, before intersecting one more time a mile from US 26's terminus at I-80.
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Speaking of US 30...US 30/US 287 follow a northerly path compared to the parallel I-80 between Walcott, WY and Laramie, WY.
Quote from: mapman1071 on May 17, 2010, 08:21:04 PM
Quote from: ausinterkid on May 13, 2010, 01:59:51 AM
AZ 66 and I-40 between Kingman & Ash Fork
AZ66 Ends In Ash Fork 2 Blocks North Of I-40
Why doesn't AZ 66 rejoin I-40 in Ash Fork?
Quote from: ausinterkid on May 19, 2010, 06:00:03 PM
Quote from: mapman1071 on May 17, 2010, 08:21:04 PM
Quote from: ausinterkid on May 13, 2010, 01:59:51 AM
AZ 66 and I-40 between Kingman & Ash Fork
AZ66 Ends In Ash Fork 2 Blocks North Of I-40
Why doesn't AZ 66 rejoin I-40 in Ash Fork?
ADOT has a policy against two route numbers serving the same two points (point can be in middle of nowhere).
I-17 Crosses I-10 at Exit 200A and Ends at Mile 194 at I-10
AZ260 meets and joins US60 thru Show Low and Ends In Eager (South of Springerville and US60)
AZ287 meets and joins AZ87 thru Coolidge and ends at AZ79 In Florence
Quote from: mapman1071 on May 19, 2010, 07:39:15 PM
ADOT has a policy against two route numbers serving the same two points (point can be in middle of nowhere).
I-17 Crosses I-10 at Exit 200A and Ends at Mile 194 at I-10
AZ260 meets and joins US60 thru Show Low and Ends In Eager (South of Springerville and US60)
AZ287 meets and joins AZ87 thru Coolidge and ends at AZ79 In Florence
I-10 and I-17 have interchanges both times they meet up, so technically that would be a violation of that policy.
(Also, didn't AZ 66 originally end in Seligman, as opposed to Ash Fork? Google Maps doesn't make this clear)
Quote from: TheStranger on May 19, 2010, 07:42:03 PM
Quote from: mapman1071 on May 19, 2010, 07:39:15 PM
ADOT has a policy against two route numbers serving the same two points (point can be in middle of nowhere).
I-17 Crosses I-10 at Exit 200A and Ends at Mile 194 at I-10
AZ260 meets and joins US60 thru Show Low and Ends In Eager (South of Springerville and US60)
AZ287 meets and joins AZ87 thru Coolidge and ends at AZ79 In Florence
I-10 and I-17 have interchanges both times they meet up, so technically that would be a violation of that policy.
(Also, didn't AZ 66 originally end in Seligman, as opposed to Ash Fork? Google Maps doesn't make this clear)
Under this policy For Us or Interstate Highways ADOT would have to get FHA Permission to truncate or renumber these roads. ADOT would not want to file paperwork or wait decades for approval.
This happens plenty of times down here, so I'm assuming we don't have a policy against it.
FL & CR 228 and US 90 from Macclenny to Jacksonville (intersecting three separate times).
FL 71 and FL 69 from Blountstown to Greenwood.
FL & CR 61 and US 319 in the Tallahassee area (two separate instances).
FL 296 and US 90 in Pensacola.
FL 292 and FL 295 in Pensacola.
FL 81 and CR 181 from near Red Bay to Prosperity.
FL & CR 12 and FL 65 from Wilma to Gretna.
FL 12 and CR 270 from near Bristol to Greensboro.
US 90 and CR 268 from Gretna to Quincy to Midway.
FL 12 and CR 274 from Greensboro to Quincy.
FL 17 and US 27/98 from Sebring to Avon Park.
FL 115 and US 1 in Jacksonville.
US 19/98/27A and CR 358 in desolate Dixie County (CR 358 bows off to the east of the US routes and was the former route of US 19 many years ago).
FL 405 and US 1 in Titusville.
FL 50 and CR 420 east of Orlando.
US 41 and US 301 between Sarasota and Bradenton.
US 41 and FL 776 from South Venice to Mudock.
US 27/441 and FL & CR 25 from The Villages/Lady Lake to Belleview.
US 27 and US 441 from Leesburg to Miami.
US 41 and US 441 from High Springs to Miami.
US 19 and FL 595 from Holiday to St. Petersburg.
CR 523 and US 441 from Kenansville to St. Cloud.
You could say that FL 71 and FL 73 do this between Chipola Park (Calhoun County) and Marianna (even though they don't intersect again in Marianna, they do come close within the city).
Then, there are the old routings and business/bypass routings of roads that are signed as ##-A.
And also, FL A1A.
Quote from: mapman1071 on May 12, 2010, 04:36:34 AM
Arizona DOT does not allow 2 numbered highways to travel between 2 points.
I think I'm missing something about this rule. Sometimes it just makes sense to have two ways to get from point A to point B, simply because one passes through point C and the other passes through point D. As an example from close to home for me, and one which is repeated countless times throughout the country, NY 30 and NY 30A. If traveling between the Schoharie area and Mayfield and points in the southern Adirondacks, one may choose 30 and go through Amsterdam, Perth, and Vail Mills (among others). Or, you might choose 30A to go through Fonda, Johnstown, and Gloversville. Would this really be disallowed under the AZ rule?
A couple of examples in Wisconsin, not including the interstates that replaced a state/US highway.
US-12 / US-14 between suburban Chicago and Madison
WI-73 / US-51 between just north of Edgerton and near Plainfield
WI-47 / US-51 between Manitowish and Woodruff
WI-23 / US-151 between Mineral Point and Fond du Lac
WI-57 / WI-32 intersect a number of times
Also, don't forget historic US-6 and US-66 that took two different corridors between Chicago and LA.
Couple of US route examples, excluding parent-child route relationships:
US 19 and US 41 between Tampa and Atlanta
US 19 and US 23 between Atlanta and Asheville
US 36 and US 40 between Denver and Indianapolis
US 60 and US 62 between Wickliffe and Paducah, and Paducah and Versailles
US 62 and US 68 between Paducah and Marysville
US 33 and US 250 between Elkins and Richmond
US 52 and US 421 between Winston-Salem and Indianapolis
US 41 and US 231 between Murfreesboro and some Chicago suburb in Indiana
Former ones:
US 40 and US 50 between San Francisco and Sacramento, and Sacramento and St Louis. Those two routes also go through KC, but I don't think they intersected there at any point. I think US 50 also used to have a spur US 50A or 50N (unsure what the number is) that met up with US 40 in SLC. Currently, those two routes don't meet each other at all.
US 54 and US 66 between Springfield and Chicago
US 23 and US 25 between Asheville and Toledo
US 25 and US 27 between Lexington and Cincinnati
Is this a "rule" or did they just renumber/decommission AZ 88?
MN 27 and MN 28 between Little Falls and Browns Valley
I-35 and MN 23 between Sandstone and Duluth
I-94 and US 10 between St. Paul and St. Cloud
I-494 and I-694 between Maple Grove and Oakdale :sombrero:
I-35W and I-35E between Burnsville and Forest Lake :sombrero:
I-135 and US-81 from Wichita to Salina. Oh, wait...
US 44 and NY 55 between US 209 and Poughkeepsie
US 30 and US 322 between Downingtown, PA and Atlantic City
US 20 and I-90 between Boston and Chicago :-P
I-95 and US 1 between Miami and Portland Maine
I-70 and US 40 between Denver and Baltimore
I-5 and US 101 between Los Angeles and Olympia
US 41 and IN 63 meet at both ends of IN 63.
US 12 and US 20 split between two concurrencies in East Chicago and Gary.
IN 912 and I-90 meet at two different interchanges.
Both ends of IN 930 meet US 30.
I had actually commented earlier without contributing an obvious Kentucky example.
US 60 and US 421 between Lexington and Frankfort.
US 25 and US 27 in addition to I-75 between Lexington and Cincinnati.
US 1 and GA 15 between Folkston, GA and Baxley, GA. Race Pond to be exact as US 1 and SR 15 concurrent south of it.
US 1 and GA 121 from Race Pond, GA to Augusta , GA.
GA 27 and US 82 across Georgia. One ends in Brunswick while the other one near it, but close enough.
US 74 and 76 from Chattanooga to Wrightsville Beach, NC.
US 1 and US 301 between Folkston, GA and Petersburg, VA.
US 1 and US 17 between Jacksonville and Fredericksburg, VA.
US 1 and US 13 between NE Philadelphia and Morrisville, PA.
US 22 and I-78 between Kuhnsville, PA and Still Valley, NJ.
TX SH 130 and IH 35 in Texas between SA and Austin.
I-75 and US 23 from Flint to near Standish, MI :-D
Quote from: cabiness42 on June 15, 2021, 03:30:03 PM
US 41 and IN 63 meet at both ends of IN 63.
Similar to that one, US 50 and OH 32 between an interchange with US 50 east of Cincinnati and where US 50 joins Corridor D west of Athens. Though OH 32 have pointless concurrencies east of that point with US 50 and OH 7 before ending.
I-75 and US-23 between Standish, MI and Perrysburg, OH.
I-55 and I-57.
I-5 and CA 99 between Bakersfield and Sacramento.
I-5 and US 101 between Los Angeles and Olympia.
In Northeast Georgia, SRs 53 and 211 intersect each other several times. Both are routes from Winder to the Gainesville area, specifically Oakwood.
On a larger scale, there is both US 78 and 29 between Atlanta and Athens, both US 78 and 278 between Atlanta and Augusta. Additionally if we are considering cities/urban regions (as opposed to intersection points) then both US 23 and US 19 go from Atlanta to Asheville (They don't intersect in Atlanta, so they fail the strict standard of going between the same 2 "points").
You also have things like US 23 and 129 both going from Macon to Gainesville, but no one would actually use US 23 for that trip.
WI 16 and WI 127 from near Wisconsin Dells and Portage.
I-244 and I-444.
I-610 and I- 10 in NOLA.
A 2di and a child (mainly first digit even) 3di meeting at two points are way too common for this thread. Especially full beltways. I-270 in Columbus goes between the same two points as I-70, I-71, US 23, US 33, US 40, US 62, OH 3 and OH 161.
Speaking of beltways, and regarding the OP with Arizona, how about AZ 101 and AZ 202?
Then you have US 9W and NY 32 between Newburgh and Kingston. US 4 and NY 32 between Mechanicsville and Schuylerville.
Did we get this far into this thread and still forget the triplicate I-95/US-29/US-1 between Washington and Baltimore? Or did I just open up another Baltimore can of worms? :hmmm:
I-95 and I-93 between Canton and Woburn.
Countless other bypasses and beltways.
Have I-41 and I-43 already been mentioned? Because if not, I-41 and I-43 between Green Bay and Milwaukee.
Some more in Michigan:
I-69 and I-94 between Marshall and Port Huron.
I-75 and US-23 between Mackinaw City and Standish (in addition to between Standish and Perrysburg, OH as mentioned earlier).
I-94 and M-3 between Chesterfield Township and Detroit.
US-41 and M-35 between Menominee and Escanaba.
US-23 and M-65 between Rogers City and Omer.
M-22 and M-72 between Empire and Traverse City.
M-22 and M-109 between Empire and Glen Arbor.
M-22 and M-204 between Leland and Suttons Bay.
M-25 and M-142 between Bay Port and Harbor Beach.
US 441 has many already mentioned but at McRae, GA it intersects US 23 and then further north it overlaps into NC.
Then between Perry,GA and Barnesville, GA US 41 and 341, transit between.
Also US 23 and 41 between Macon and Atlanta.
Then US 23 and I-75 between Macon and Toledo.
Before today, the last time somebody posted in this thread, Obama had been president for a little over a year and the iPhone 4 was hot new technology.
Quote from: MCRoads on June 16, 2021, 12:24:21 AM
Have I-41 and I-43 already been mentioned? Because if not, I-41 and I-43 between Green Bay and Milwaukee.
At the time this thread was created, it was
US 41 and I-43. Technically still is.
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 15, 2021, 10:57:45 PM
A 2di and a child (mainly first digit even) 3di meeting at two points are way too common for this thread. Especially full beltways. I-270 in Columbus goes between the same two points as I-70, I-71, US 23, US 33, US 40, US 62, OH 3 and OH 161.
Speaking of beltways, and regarding the OP with Arizona, how about AZ 101 and AZ 202?
LOL I was going to be a smartass and post one but I thought that's too easy.
Quote from: US 89 on June 16, 2021, 01:12:38 AM
Before today, the last time somebody posted in this thread, Obama had been president for a little over a year and the iPhone 4 was hot new technology.
And the user (SkyPesos) that posted was only about 7 years old at the time considering he's 18 now.
Quote from: roadman65 on June 15, 2021, 04:40:11 PM
US 25 and US 27 in addition to I-75 between Lexington and Cincinnati.
Given the original post mentioned only intrastate routings, I did not mention US 27 and US 127 between Cincy and Chattanooga.
The US 25 example is historical, of course, since the route now ends at the Ohio foot of the Clay Wade Bailey Bridge. I really don't understand why Kentucky just doesn't truncate it back to Florence, where it intersects US 42/127.
Speaking of US 25 and 27, though, I know I have seen at least one map that referred to the two routes between Lexington and Cincinnati as a second version of US 25E and 25W. I don't remember, however, if US 27 was an Ohio-Indiana-Michigan route, or if it ran south from Lexington through Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida.
That may have been a mapmaker jumping the gun, though, the same way US 37 and some other routes have appeared on maps.
Quote from: hbelkins on June 16, 2021, 10:42:06 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 15, 2021, 04:40:11 PM
US 25 and US 27 in addition to I-75 between Lexington and Cincinnati.
Given the original post mentioned only intrastate routings, I did not mention US 27 and US 127 between Cincy and Chattanooga.
The US 25 example is historical, of course, since the route now ends at the Ohio foot of the Clay Wade Bailey Bridge. I really don't understand why Kentucky just doesn't truncate it back to Florence, where it intersects US 42/127.
Speaking of US 25 and 27, though, I know I have seen at least one map that referred to the two routes between Lexington and Cincinnati as a second version of US 25E and 25W. I don't remember, however, if US 27 was an Ohio-Indiana-Michigan route, or if it ran south from Lexington through Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida.
That may have been a mapmaker jumping the gun, though, the same way US 37 and some other routes have appeared on maps.
US 27 was probably an Ohio-Indiana-Michigan route, as USEnds mentioned that the first southern terminus of US 27 was in Cincinnati.
This is going into fictional, but I would decommission US 42, have US 25 take over the Ohio section to Cleveland, and US 22 take over the Kentucky section to Louisville. Eliminates one of the US routes that ends in the Cincinnati area.
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 16, 2021, 10:46:38 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on June 16, 2021, 10:42:06 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 15, 2021, 04:40:11 PM
US 25 and US 27 in addition to I-75 between Lexington and Cincinnati.
Given the original post mentioned only intrastate routings, I did not mention US 27 and US 127 between Cincy and Chattanooga.
The US 25 example is historical, of course, since the route now ends at the Ohio foot of the Clay Wade Bailey Bridge. I really don't understand why Kentucky just doesn't truncate it back to Florence, where it intersects US 42/127.
Speaking of US 25 and 27, though, I know I have seen at least one map that referred to the two routes between Lexington and Cincinnati as a second version of US 25E and 25W. I don't remember, however, if US 27 was an Ohio-Indiana-Michigan route, or if it ran south from Lexington through Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida.
That may have been a mapmaker jumping the gun, though, the same way US 37 and some other routes have appeared on maps.
US 27 was probably an Ohio-Indiana-Michigan route, as USEnds mentioned that the first southern terminus of US 27 was in Cincinnati.
This is going into fictional, but I would decommission US 42, have US 25 take over the Ohio section to Cleveland, and US 22 take over the Kentucky section to Louisville. Eliminates one of the US routes that ends in the Cincinnati area.
I would kill US 25 at Corbin. Mainline US 25 takes over what is now 25E, Newport to Knoxville becomes just US 70, and Knoxville to Jellico reverts to TN 9. I don't know what Kentucky could or would number 25W between Jellico and Corbin -- KY 3725 perhaps. I would turn all of US 25 between Corbin and Florence into a state route, minus the concurrency with US 421.
CT/MA/NH 12 and 32 between Norwich, CT and Keene, NH
MA/RI 122 and MA/RI 146 between Worcester and Providence
US 5 and CT/MA 10 between New Haven and Bernardston (duplexed from Northampton to Bernardston)
US 1 and US 202 from Chadd's Ford, PA to Bangor, ME
US 6 and 44 between Hartford and Providence.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on June 16, 2021, 12:26:39 AM
Some more in Michigan:
I-69 and I-94 between Marshall and Port Huron.
I-75 and US-23 between Mackinaw City and Standish (in addition to between Standish and Perrysburg, OH as mentioned earlier).
I-94 and M-3 between Chesterfield Township and Detroit.
US-41 and M-35 between Menominee and Escanaba.
US-23 and M-65 between Rogers City and Omer.
M-22 and M-72 between Empire and Traverse City.
M-22 and M-109 between Empire and Glen Arbor.
M-22 and M-204 between Leland and Suttons Bay.
M-25 and M-142 between Bay Port and Harbor Beach.
M-22 and US-31 between Manistee and Traverse City (maybe). I'm not 100% sure if M-22 continues concurrent with M-72 to hit Division Ave in Traverse City
Crossing multiple states, there's US 12 and I-94 between Miles City, MT and Minneapolis, MN.
Quote from: mapman1071 on May 12, 2010, 04:36:34 AM
Arizona DOT does not allow 2 numbered highways to travel between 2 points.
Example: at one time AZ88 and US60 both roads traveled from Apache Junction to Miami today only US60 travels between these Cities, AZ88 ends at Roosevelt at Jct AZ188.
Other Examples
US60 & AZ260 Show Low To Springerville (260 now ends in Eager)
I-10 & AZ84 Downtown Casa Grande to Jct I-10, AZ 84, AZ87 (AZ84 Ends In Downtown Casa Grande at Jct AZ387 & AZ287)
Are there other states that have this rule?
By two points, do you mean two cities or other points of interest? Just trying to figure out the confines of the rule so as to discern the difference between permissible duplexes (e.g., US-95 and I-10 between Quartzsite and Ehrenberg) and situations not permissible under the rule.
Quote from: mapman1071 on May 12, 2010, 04:36:34 AM
Arizona DOT does not allow 2 numbered highways to travel between 2 points.
Example: at one time AZ88 and US60 both roads traveled from Apache Junction to Miami today only US60 travels between these Cities, AZ88 ends at Roosevelt at Jct AZ188.
Other Examples
US60 & AZ260 Show Low To Springerville (260 now ends in Eager)
I-10 & AZ84 Downtown Casa Grande to Jct I-10, AZ 84, AZ87 (AZ84 Ends In Downtown Casa Grande at Jct AZ387 & AZ287)
Are there other states that have this rule?
Looks like this rule bans all alternative bannered routes and loops/beltways?
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on June 16, 2021, 05:37:34 AM
Quote from: MCRoads on June 16, 2021, 12:24:21 AM
Have I-41 and I-43 already been mentioned? Because if not, I-41 and I-43 between Green Bay and Milwaukee.
At the time this thread was created, it was US 41 and I-43. Technically still is.
WI 32 and WI 57 also connect Green Bay and Milwaukee. Maybe we need a new thread of cities connected by four or more highways.
Quote from: skluth on July 10, 2021, 12:24:35 PM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on June 16, 2021, 05:37:34 AM
Quote from: MCRoads on June 16, 2021, 12:24:21 AM
Have I-41 and I-43 already been mentioned? Because if not, I-41 and I-43 between Green Bay and Milwaukee.
At the time this thread was created, it was US 41 and I-43. Technically still is.
WI 32 and WI 57 also connect Green Bay and Milwaukee. Maybe we need a new thread of cities connected by four or more highways.
Chicago to Cleveland: I-80, I-90, US 6, US 20 :bigass:
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 10, 2021, 01:00:50 PM
Quote from: skluth on July 10, 2021, 12:24:35 PM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on June 16, 2021, 05:37:34 AM
Quote from: MCRoads on June 16, 2021, 12:24:21 AM
Have I-41 and I-43 already been mentioned? Because if not, I-41 and I-43 between Green Bay and Milwaukee.
At the time this thread was created, it was US 41 and I-43. Technically still is.
WI 32 and WI 57 also connect Green Bay and Milwaukee. Maybe we need a new thread of cities connected by four or more highways.
Chicago to Cleveland: I-80, I-90, US 6, US 20 :bigass:
If you're talking metro areas, yes, but I-80 doesn't enter either city and US 6 doesn't enter Chicago. You could substitute Hammond for Chicago though as all four go through Hammond.
Quote from: skluth on July 10, 2021, 12:24:35 PM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on June 16, 2021, 05:37:34 AM
Quote from: MCRoads on June 16, 2021, 12:24:21 AM
Have I-41 and I-43 already been mentioned? Because if not, I-41 and I-43 between Green Bay and Milwaukee.
At the time this thread was created, it was US 41 and I-43. Technically still is.
WI 32 and WI 57 also connect Green Bay and Milwaukee. Maybe we need a new thread of cities connected by four or more highways.
In the case of Green Bay and Milwaukee, it's five. I-41, I-43, US-41, WI-32 and WI-57.
Washington:
I-5 and SR 99 between Fife and Everett
SR 99 and SR 509 between Des Moines and Seattle
I-5 and SR 529 between Everett and Marysville
I-5 and SR 11 between Burlington and Bellingham
I-5 and SR 121 around Millersylvania State Park
I-5 and SR 548 between Ferndale and Blaine
I-90 and SR 902 around Medical Lake
I-90 and SR 904 around Cheney
I-90 and SR 906 around Snoqualmie Pass
I-82 and SR 821 around the Yakima River Canyon
I-82 and SR 22 between Zillah and Prosser
US 12 and SR 124 between Burbank and Waitsburg
US 101 and SR 105 between Raymond and Aberdeen
Besides the obvious splits in Tennessee there are several other examples.
US 31 and US 431 Franklin to Nashville also I-65
US 41 and US 431 Nashville to Springfield
US 31A and US 431 Lewisburg to Nashville
US 31 and SSR 246 Columbia to Nashville also I-65
US 25W and US 441 Knoxville to Rocky Top (formerly known as Lake City) also I-75
Utah has several, mostly because our state highway system is full of loops and other routes that don’t really go in one direction in particular. A few examples, leaving out the super obvious ones like business loops and beltways:
I-15 and US 89, Sandy to Bountiful
I-15 and US 89, Farmington to Great Falls MT
I-15 and US 91, Brigham City to Virginia ID
I-15/84 and SR 13, Brigham City to Elwood
I-15 and SR 13, Elwood to near Plymouth
I-80 and SR 201, Lake Point to South Salt Lake
US 6 and US 50, Delta to Green River
US 6 and SR 198, Santaquin to Moark Jct
US 40 and SR 87, Duchesne to Ioka Jct
US 40 and SR 121, Roosevelt to Vernal
US 50 and SR 24, Salina to west of Green River
US 89 and SR 68, Woods Cross and Bountiful
US 89 and SR 114, Provo to Pleasant Grove
US 89 and SR 117, Spring City
US 89 and SR 137, Gunnison to near Sterling
US 89 and SR 147, Mapleton
US 89 and SR 186, downtown Salt Lake City to north of downtown
US 89 and SR 256, Redmond
US 91 and SR 252, Logan
US 189 (unsigned) and SR 32, north of Heber to Wanship
US 189 and SR 113, Charleston to Heber
SR 10 and SR 155, near Huntington to north of Cleveland
SR 23 and SR 142, Newton to Trenton
SR 37 and SR 108, Clinton to West Haven
SR 95 and SR 276, Trachyte Jct to near Fry Canyon
SR 108 and SR 126, Layton to West Haven
MSP and Kansas City: I-35 and US 169
OR 239 and OR 99. The funny thing is OR 238 is signed E-W and OR 99 is signed N-S. Yet in Grants Pass where OR 238s western terminus is SB OR 99 is to the right which in normal case would be to the left. That's cause at it's west end OR 238 turns north and OR 99 comes in from the east to turn north at OR 238.
Don't think anyone said 10 and 12 Baton Rouge to Slidell.
I-5 and 101 LA and Olympia
I 70 and US 40 and 24 all run through Topeka, Lawrence, and KC but don't all intersect in each.
Lots of examples with 70 and 40 or 70 and 24.
Ones I can think of for Ontario:
Highway 11 and 17 between North Bay and Nipigon
Highway 17 and 102 between Thunder Bay and Sistonens Corners
The 401 and 403 between Woodstock and Mississauga
The 403 and 407 between Burlington and Mississauga
NY 31 and NY 104 between Rochester and Niagara Falls. NY 18 also runs parallel for most of the way, but sadly it doesn't make it to Niagara Falls city proper.
The above could very well be the only example in the entire country where neither of the routes listed are the fastest route between those points. The fastest route is actually I-490 to I-90 to I-290 to I-190.
Quote from: TheStranger on May 12, 2010, 11:43:00 AM
In California...
I-280 and US 101 between San Jose and San Francisco
Route 99 and I-5 between Wheeler Ridge and Sacramento
Route 60 and I-10 between Los Angeles and Beaumont
Route 154 and US 101 between Los Olivos and Santa Barbara
Route 85 and US 101 between south San Jose and Mountain View
Route 9 and Route 236 (former alignment of Route 9) north of Boulder Creek
Route 13 and I-580 between Oakland and Berkeley
Route 1 and US 101 along the coastline west of Ventura, and between Gaviota and Arroyo Grande, San Luis Obispo and San Francisco, and Marin City and Leggett
Route 33 and I-5 between I-5 Exit 349 and Exit 452
Quote from: TheStranger on May 13, 2010, 12:37:29 PM
A couple of more California examples:
Route 158 and US 395 near June Lake
Route 36 and Route 172 (former segment of Route 36) between Mineral and Mill Creek
Route 193 and Route 49 between Auburn and Placerville
US 101 and Route 135 (former US 101) between Santa Maria and Los Alamos
Route 35 and Route 1 between San Francisco and Pacifica
Route 98 and I-8 between Ocotillo and I-8 Exit 143
Route 86 and 111 between Mecca and Heber
US 101 and Route 254 (former US 101) through Humboldt Redwoods State Park
Route 12 and Route 116 almost do this (but not quite, with a short segment of Route 121 between the two in Sonoma). Another close-but-not-quite is Route 88 and Route 26 between Pioneer and Stockton, as well as I-10 and Route 111 between Cabazon and Indio.
Also-
CA-9 and CA-17 between Los Gatos and Santa Cruz
CA-99 and I-5 between Sacramento and Red Bluff
Quote from: webny99 on August 31, 2021, 03:36:49 PM
The above could very well be the only example in the entire country where neither of the routes listed are the fastest route between those points. The fastest route is actually I-490 to I-90 to I-290 to I-190.
Considering how many highways are in the country, I don't think so. As an example I can think of right now, US 52 and US 421 both go between Indianapolis and Winston-Salem, but the fastest route is I-70>US 35>I-77>"I-74".
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 31, 2021, 03:51:50 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 31, 2021, 03:36:49 PM
The above could very well be the only example in the entire country where neither of the routes listed are the fastest route between those points. The fastest route is actually I-490 to I-90 to I-290 to I-190.
Considering how many highways are in the country, I don't think so. As an example I can think of right now, US 52 and US 421 both go between Indianapolis and Winston-Salem, but the fastest route is I-70>US 35>I-77>"I-74".
Certainly. Not only did I figure there was probably more, I also figured the fastest way to find out would be to imply that there wasn't. :D
Quote from: mapman1071 on May 12, 2010, 04:36:34 AM
Arizona DOT does not allow 2 numbered highways to travel between 2 points.
Example: at one time AZ88 and US60 both roads traveled from Apache Junction to Miami today only US60 travels between these Cities, AZ88 ends at Roosevelt at Jct AZ188.
One big violation is the Loop 202. Not only is one end at I-10 at 55th Ave, and the other end is at I-10/AZ 51, but it crosses I-10 (and ended there until the South Mountain Freeway was opened a couple years ago) at the Phoenix/Chandler city limits just north of the Gila River reservation. To make it "legal," ADOT would have to renumber either the Red Mountain Fwy or the Santan/South Mountain Fwy, between I-10 and US 60.
It's really a ridiculous rule that there is no reason to keep.
A 2-in-1 example: I-90 and I-94 from the latter's western terminus east of Billings, MT, to Tomah, WI - and then again from Madison, WI, to Chicago.
Quote from: KCRoadFan on August 31, 2021, 08:17:17 PM
A 2-in-1 example: I-90 and I-94 from the latter's western terminus east of Billings, MT, to Tomah, WI - and then again from Madison, WI, to Chicago.
3-in-1 actually. Also South side of Chicago to Lake Station, IN.
Quote from: Evan_Th on June 15, 2021, 07:04:46 PM
I-5 and CA 99 between Bakersfield and Sacramento.
I-5 and US 101 between Los Angeles and Olympia.
Another California example I-280 and US-101 from San Francisco to San Jose.
Or I-5 and I-405 from Mission Hills to Irvine.
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on August 31, 2021, 06:26:10 PM
Quote from: mapman1071 on May 12, 2010, 04:36:34 AM
Arizona DOT does not allow 2 numbered highways to travel between 2 points.
Example: at one time AZ88 and US60 both roads traveled from Apache Junction to Miami today only US60 travels between these Cities, AZ88 ends at Roosevelt at Jct AZ188.
One big violation is the Loop 202. Not only is one end at I-10 at 55th Ave, and the other end is at I-10/AZ 51, but it crosses I-10 (and ended there until the South Mountain Freeway was opened a couple years ago) at the Phoenix/Chandler city limits just north of the Gila River reservation. To make it "legal," ADOT would have to renumber either the Red Mountain Fwy or the Santan/South Mountain Fwy, between I-10 and US 60.
It's really a ridiculous rule that there is no reason to keep.
Not that it would ever happen, but I really think that if AZ 30 is ever built I-10 should be rerouted onto AZ 30 and the Papago Freeway and Red Mountain Freeway should be renumbered I-410 and the Santan and South Mountain Freeway should be renumbered I-610.
Quote from: ztonyg on August 31, 2021, 11:24:32 PM
Not that it would ever happen, but I really think that if AZ 30 is ever built I-10 should be rerouted onto AZ 30 and the Papago Freeway and Red Mountain Freeway should be renumbered I-410 and the Santan and South Mountain Freeway should be renumbered I-610.
The Durango route, which is now the Tres Rios Freeway alignment (AZ 30), was the original route planned for I-10 back in the 1960s. That has been water under the bridge since about 1968, and it won't change. It took long enough for it to be completed, given that Phoenix was once as anti-freeway as Tucson is now.
But as 3DIs go, ADOT is insistent to the point of being overly defensive that there will be NO 3-digit Interstates in the state of Arizona. I'm surprised that they haven't taken it further, and reduced or eliminated most US highways in the state, similar to what California did in 1964. Most of them are totally expendable.