Here's an interesting thing to think about:
During the construction of the original Interstate highway system, many people in city neighborhoods protested the construction of freeways in or around their towns, seeing the roads' effect and potential impact. Some of these efforts were successful in stopping the routes from being built as planned. As a result, many urban Interstates end abruptly. Two examples I found (images below) are I-295, which suddenly terminates in NYC's Hollis neighborhood in Queens, and I-70, which also suddenly terminates at the Baltimore city line in Maryland.
Anyone have any other examples they know of? Favorites? Annoyances? Opinions?
(https://i.ibb.co/9yJ3Dbr/I-295.png) (https://i.ibb.co/f2VwbJT/I-70.png) (https://ibb.co/f2VwbJT) (https://ibb.co/9yJ3Dbr)
Doesn't i-83 apply here in Baltimore?
Pixel 5
The north end of I-710 in Los Angeles/Alhambra would certainly be a notable example in California.
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 29, 2020, 06:11:42 PM
Doesn't i-83 apply here in Baltimore?
Pixel 5
Yes. Ends in downtown and becomes President St. Don't know if it was due to opposition though.
I think indirectly, I believe it was supposed to end at i-170.
Pixel 5
Quote from: interstatefan990 on December 29, 2020, 06:18:55 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 29, 2020, 06:11:42 PM
Doesn't i-83 apply here in Baltimore?
Pixel 5
Yes. Ends in downtown and becomes President St. Don't know if it was due to opposition though.
I believe it was supposed to connect to I-95 and was stopped, like I-70.
When I-480 existed as an interstate in SF, it would have counted due to never being built west of the Broadway interchange.
I-280's northern terminus was more abrupt prior to the construction of the Giants' ballpark; pre-2000 the viaduct ended at 4th Street with only a northbound offramp. As part of the park construction project, 280 was realigned to feed into King Street about a block and a half to the west, which has remained the configuration since.
Though entirely by design: I-10 suddenly ending at a simple diamond interchange where Route 1 does a TOTSO in Santa Monica. (1 had been proposed at times as freeway west and south of there, and the freeway itself does continue for one more mile as Route 1 through the tunnels)
Not really the end of an interstate number, but the end of a segment of interstate highway
This I-95 segment ends at a park and ride next to the I-495 interchange, where I-95 continues southeast from there on a concurrency with I-495. I-95 was suppossed to continue south of there into DC, linking with I-395, and also linking with the eastern termius of I-70S, which got cancelled south of I-495 as well.
(https://i.imgur.com/bGrHTfP.png?1)
Sometimes I wonder what the point of that park and ride is though. There's Greenbelt 2.5 miles east of there, and that one connects to the Green and Yellow metro lines, while this one seems like it can only offer bus connections at most.
The south end of current I-170 west of St. Louis is at a Target just beyond I-64:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6292987,-90.342145,1180m/data=!3m1!1e3
I think that's on purpose. I don't think that was ever supposed to go any further south.
Nevermind, checked wikipedia and you're right it was supposed to go further south.
Doesn't I-394 in Minneapolis just funnel you onto the streets downtown near Target Field, Target Center, and First Avenue? I seem to remember something like that.
Way back in the 60s, there was to be an I-290 to be built just south of downtown Cleveland connecting I-71 to I-271 on the east side.
The affluent east side communities went NIMBY on ODOT, and for decades, the only hint of a future I-290 was a stub connecting I-77 to a dead-end "T" intersection at East 55th St.
By the late 80s, I-490 was created to link I-90 @ I-71 to I-77 and the East 55th St. stub.
Now the Opportunity Corridor will be the final chapter in this abandoned freeway, now being built as a boulevard connecting I-77 to the University Circle area.
There is the Dan Ryan Carmack feeder ramps which were to extend to Wacker. It's been discussed in detail in Midwest. There are also the feeder Ramps from the Bishop Ford and Skyway on Stony Island that were supposed to be to a freeway connecting to Lake Shore Drive. Not sure if these ramps count. Lake Shore Drive was later improved as part of the improvement to the U.S. Steel southworks .
There are are freeway stubs none interstate though.
I-35 in Duluth.
Quote from: silverback1065 on December 29, 2020, 06:19:43 PM
I think indirectly, I believe it was supposed to end at i-170.
Pixel 5
I-83 was supposed to end at the ramp stubs along the stretch of I-95 near where it passes over O'Donnell Ave. Not going into any more details here because this topic has been covered innumerable times elsewhere in the forum.
The north end of DC's I-395 and the east end of I-66 meet the OP's question. I'd also argue that the very small portion of I-266 that was built applies.
The park and ride just south of the I-95/I-495 interchange was an unofficial truck parking area before it was made an official Park and Ride with a truck weighing station, both of which were years before the Greenbelt Metro was opened, or had ramps connecting it to the Beltway.
The I-95 segment in Canton, MA at I-93 where it loops onto MA 128. It was supposed to continue beyond there as the Southwest Expressway.
The north end of I-295 in Attleboro; it gives you the feel that you are on a local road as you can see where the ROW continues plus you have utility poles that parallel the ramp.
I-790 at both ends
I-780 in Vallejo has kind of an abrupt end. It intersects I-80 with a fairly typical cloverleaf, and if you are continuing west on I-780 past that, it just dumps you out onto Curtola Parkway.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0918497,-122.2349482,2276m/data=!3m1!1e3
The road that was going to be I-40 in Memphis ends like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/V7m8Fp8.png)
I-380 (CA) ends with ghost ramps westbound under I-280 instead of continuing on to its planned terminus at CA 1 in Pacifica.
Quote from: KCRoadFan on December 29, 2020, 07:48:10 PM
Doesn't I-394 in Minneapolis just funnel you onto the streets downtown near Target Field, Target Center, and First Avenue? I seem to remember something like that.
Yes but that was intentional. I-394 was never planned to cross the river.
While it's not designated as an Interstate, the Willowbrook Expressway on Staten Island seems to fit this thread. The road coming south from the Bayonne Bridge abruptly dumps you onto Victory Boulevard because it was never completed. If you zoom out on the map below, it's pretty easy to tell where the highway was planned to run.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6099993,-74.1593158,1201m/data=!3m1!1e3
US 30 in Portland, both currently where it feeds into NW Yeon Ave at Nicolai St, and previously when it had ended around NW 23rd Ave around Thurman and Vaughn Streets.
Qualifies, as this had been intended to be I-505 prior to the Mt Hood Freeway getting canceled, which would have extended further west toward the southern end of NW St Helens Rd (and ultimately along St Helens Rd all the way to Clatskanie).
Related: The Sunset Hwy (ORH 47) feeding into SW Market and Clay Streets at I-405, and OR 217 connecting to SW Barnes Rd at US 26, but this is likely by design.
WA 14's connection to downtown Vancouver at I-5 may count, also by design.
I-305 into Salem (now OR 99EB as the Salem Parkway) wouldn't count.
Quote from: KCRoadFan on December 29, 2020, 07:48:10 PM
Doesn't I-394 in Minneapolis just funnel you onto the streets downtown near Target Field, Target Center, and First Avenue? I seem to remember something like that.
Wasn't I-394 planned to continue across the Mississippi River and connect with I-35W in the area of those ghost interchange 'S' curves?
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on December 30, 2020, 10:53:44 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on December 29, 2020, 07:48:10 PM
Doesn't I-394 in Minneapolis just funnel you onto the streets downtown near Target Field, Target Center, and First Avenue? I seem to remember something like that.
Wasn't I-394 planned to continue across the Mississippi River and connect with I-35W in the area of those ghost interchange 'S' curves?
Mike
no i think that's another cancelled highway. 394 was built as planned.
Quote from: mgk920 on December 30, 2020, 10:53:44 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on December 29, 2020, 07:48:10 PM
Doesn't I-394 in Minneapolis just funnel you onto the streets downtown near Target Field, Target Center, and First Avenue? I seem to remember something like that.
Wasn't I-394 planned to continue across the Mississippi River and connect with I-35W in the area of those ghost interchange 'S' curves?
Mike
You're probably thinking of the cancelled I-335 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_335_(Minnesota))
Quote from: SkyPesos on December 30, 2020, 11:27:50 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 30, 2020, 10:53:44 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on December 29, 2020, 07:48:10 PM
Doesn't I-394 in Minneapolis just funnel you onto the streets downtown near Target Field, Target Center, and First Avenue? I seem to remember something like that.
Wasn't I-394 planned to continue across the Mississippi River and connect with I-35W in the area of those ghost interchange 'S' curves?
Mike
You're probably thinking of the cancelled I-335 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_335_(Minnesota))
Although to dovetail this, the I-335 money was repurposed for I-394.
I-380 and I-280 end abruptly in California I understand that I-380 was debated to connect to I-238 and CA-380 as the southern crossing but that never went through.
For I-280 it was originally going to connect to CA-480 and I-80 but that was called off.
Quote from: 3467 on December 29, 2020, 09:11:21 PM
There are are freeway stubs none interstate though.
One of those being IL-390. The east end is getting connected with I-490 but the west end just stops at US-20. There are studies looking into extending it to County Farm Road.
Fictional thoughts (also talked in detail in Midwest) would have IL-390 eventually connect to the US-20 Elgin Bypass.
Quote from: SkyPesos on December 30, 2020, 11:27:50 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 30, 2020, 10:53:44 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on December 29, 2020, 07:48:10 PM
Doesn't I-394 in Minneapolis just funnel you onto the streets downtown near Target Field, Target Center, and First Avenue? I seem to remember something like that.
Wasn't I-394 planned to continue across the Mississippi River and connect with I-35W in the area of those ghost interchange 'S' curves?
Mike
You're probably thinking of the cancelled I-335 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_335_(Minnesota))
I might be, but I do remember reading an article in a Minneapolis newspaper at the local library in the late 1980s or early 1990s that was discussing something on the lines of a partially cleared ROW along that railroad corridor (NE of the River) that would have connected the then under construction I-394 with I-35W. Checking the maps, it makes sense, but as constructed I-394 and the US 52 connector fully ended at their current street intersections.
Mike
Quote from: ET21 on December 31, 2020, 12:56:15 PM
Quote from: 3467 on December 29, 2020, 09:11:21 PM
There are are freeway stubs none interstate though.
One of those being IL-390. The east end is getting connected with I-490 but the west end just stops at US-20. There are studies looking into extending it to County Farm Road.
Fictional thoughts (also talked in detail in Midwest) would have IL-390 eventually connect to the US-20 Elgin Bypass.
There is a clear ROW preserved for that.
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on December 31, 2020, 03:04:00 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on December 30, 2020, 11:27:50 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on December 30, 2020, 10:53:44 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on December 29, 2020, 07:48:10 PM
Doesn't I-394 in Minneapolis just funnel you onto the streets downtown near Target Field, Target Center, and First Avenue? I seem to remember something like that.
Wasn't I-394 planned to continue across the Mississippi River and connect with I-35W in the area of those ghost interchange 'S' curves?
Mike
You're probably thinking of the cancelled I-335 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_335_(Minnesota))
I might be, but I do remember reading an article in a Minneapolis newspaper at the local library in the late 1980s or early 1990s that was discussing something on the lines of a partially cleared ROW along that railroad corridor (NE of the River) that would have connected the then under construction I-394 with I-35W. Checking the maps, it makes sense, but as constructed I-394 and the US 52 connector fully ended at their current street intersections.
Mike
You'd have been talking about clearing out a good chunk of downtown and ritzy Nicollet Island to get 394 across the river. No chance in hell anyone thought they could ever get that done.
Easy. I-49 at 3 Trails Crossing in KC. Like I-40 in Memphis, there's civil rights implications to the abrupt termination/reroute.
Not interstates, but Youngstown,Ohio has two in very close proximity, with an expressway-like four-lane divided US-422 (speed limit 50) without an exit ramp running smack dab into Oak St., where you must turn left to proceed on 422. It was designed that way, as there were never any plans for the expressway to go beyond that.
Just north of there another four-lane divided expressway carries US-62 but dead ends abruptly at Albert Street, where again you must turn left to remain on the US route. This was intended to proceed further in an eventual northeasterly direction to hook up with I-80 in Hubbard Township, thus the name of the ill-fated and never-constructed "Hubbard Expressway."
(//)https://goo.gl/maps/4Y7NAGsLtgUQUMyb8
I-229 in ... is it Sioux falls?
used to end at the jct with 90... the continuance was at one time a dirt road
https://maps.app.goo.gl/bGAMAyQGG7JbxQd78 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/bGAMAyQGG7JbxQd78)
Before ARDOT reconfigured it a few years ago, I-630 ended at a stoplight just past a ridiculously-overbuilt cloverleaf with I-430 in west Little Rock. Continue straight to get on Chenal Parkway. One of the very few instances (I-69 is a very prominent current one) where Arkansas actually overplanned future traffic.
Illinois 390 would be a thread on Interstate Highway numbers we didn't get so we have them to ourselves as state highways.
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on December 31, 2020, 08:32:24 PM
I-229 in ... is it Sioux falls?
used to end at the jct with 90... the continuance was at one time a dirt road
https://maps.app.goo.gl/bGAMAyQGG7JbxQd78 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/bGAMAyQGG7JbxQd78)
Having been about a mile from that junction myself, the environment there is a far cry from “urban”.
Quote from: US 89 on December 31, 2020, 09:33:47 PM
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on December 31, 2020, 08:32:24 PM
I-229 in ... is it Sioux falls?
used to end at the jct with 90... the continuance was at one time a dirt road
https://maps.app.goo.gl/bGAMAyQGG7JbxQd78 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/bGAMAyQGG7JbxQd78)
Having been about a mile from that junction myself, the environment there is a far cry from "urban" .
you do raise a valid point ...
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on December 31, 2020, 08:32:24 PM
I-229 in ... is it Sioux falls?
used to end at the jct with 90... the continuance was at one time a dirt road
https://maps.app.goo.gl/bGAMAyQGG7JbxQd78 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/bGAMAyQGG7JbxQd78)
Looks like it still is a dirt road starting about 3 miles north of there.
Currently, the north end of I-79 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1083125,-80.1279682,2012m/data=!3m1!1e3) defaults into the Bayfront Parkway in Erie, PA. Before the Bayfront was built, I-79 ended at the exit w/ PA 5.
I-65 at US 12/20 in an industrial area in Gary, though it intersects I-90 immediately beforehand.
Quote from: jdbx on December 30, 2020, 01:09:59 AM
I-780 in Vallejo has kind of an abrupt end. It intersects I-80 with a fairly typical cloverleaf, and if you are continuing west on I-780 past that, it just dumps you out onto Curtola Parkway.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0918497,-122.2349482,2276m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0918497,-122.2349482,2276m/data=!3m1!1e3)
I remember I-780 was originally going to have the freeway go to Mare Island as the Waterfront freeway like Cypress Freeway and Embarcadero Freeway. But that was called off.
Quote from: jmd41280 on January 01, 2021, 12:33:58 PM
Currently, the north end of I-79 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1083125,-80.1279682,2012m/data=!3m1!1e3) defaults into the Bayfront Parkway in Erie, PA. Before the Bayfront was built, I-79 ended at the exit w/ PA 5.
Heck, I remember when I-79 ended at US-20.
I-105 in Eugene OR ends with 99 (E/W) and city streets going N/S. It is an attractive looking ending to the freeway though!
Rick
Milwaukee has a few, though only one is an interstate. I-794 (Hoan Bridge) once ended at the south end of Jones Island (no longer an island); Blues Brothers movie fans may remember an earlier abrupt end before the bridge was built as the scene location where the Illinois Nazis fly off the end of an incomplete freeway. It is now extended as the WI 794 expressway which also ends abruptly just east of Mitchell Field at Pennsylvania. The former Stadium Freeway (not an interstate) is now Miller Park Way and was intended as the US 41 route through the city. It ends abruptly at the north end and merges into 43rd St (technically still called Miller Park Way) at the south end. The Fond du Lac Freeway similarly ends at the SE end into Fond du Lac Avenue.
Langford Parkway in south Atlanta was to be I-420 but just ends up dumping onto Lakewood Avenue just east of its junction with I-75-85.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6982035,-84.3962236,581m/data=!3m1!1e3
I-189 up in Burlington VT, the paved distance is only 1.48 Miles long.
Quote from: Finrod on January 01, 2021, 08:54:23 PM
Langford Parkway in south Atlanta was to be I-420 but just ends up dumping onto Lakewood Avenue just east of its junction with I-75-85.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6982035,-84.3962236,581m/data=!3m1!1e3
I-420.Perhaps GDOT didn't go through with that after realizing they would have a lot of stolen signs on their hands.
Quote from: KCRoadFan on January 02, 2021, 07:45:46 PM
Quote from: Finrod on January 01, 2021, 08:54:23 PM
Langford Parkway in south Atlanta was to be I-420 but just ends up dumping onto Lakewood Avenue just east of its junction with I-75-85.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6982035,-84.3962236,581m/data=!3m1!1e3
I-420.
Perhaps GDOT didn't go through with that after realizing they would have a lot of stolen signs on their hands.
I wouldn't be suprised if a ton of I-69 shields had to be replaced because of theft already
Do any of the OH-420 signs get stolen frequently?
Quote from: coldshoulder on December 31, 2020, 08:14:57 PM
Not interstates, but Youngstown,Ohio has two in very close proximity, with an expressway-like four-lane divided US-422 (speed limit 50) without an exit ramp running smack dab into Oak St., where you must turn left to proceed on 422. It was designed that way, as there were never any plans for the expressway to go beyond that.
Just north of there another four-lane divided expressway carries US-62 but dead ends abruptly at Albert Street, where again you must turn left to remain on the US route. This was intended to proceed further in an eventual northeasterly direction to hook up with I-80 in Hubbard Township, thus the name of the ill-fated and never-constructed "Hubbard Expressway."
(//)https://goo.gl/maps/4Y7NAGsLtgUQUMyb8
Truthfully, I do not understand why Madison Ave (aka US 422) ends at Oak St instead of seamlessly transitioning into US 62 (and the Eastern quadrant of the Y-town loop)
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 02, 2021, 08:24:31 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on January 02, 2021, 07:45:46 PM
Quote from: Finrod on January 01, 2021, 08:54:23 PM
Langford Parkway in south Atlanta was to be I-420 but just ends up dumping onto Lakewood Avenue just east of its junction with I-75-85.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6982035,-84.3962236,581m/data=!3m1!1e3
I-420.
Perhaps GDOT didn't go through with that after realizing they would have a lot of stolen signs on their hands.
I wouldn't be suprised if a ton of I-69 shields had to be replaced because of theft already
As far as I know, here in Houston there hasn't been. Maybe in rural areas.
Quote from: achilles765 on January 05, 2021, 12:22:08 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 02, 2021, 08:24:31 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on January 02, 2021, 07:45:46 PM
Quote from: Finrod on January 01, 2021, 08:54:23 PM
Langford Parkway in south Atlanta was to be I-420 but just ends up dumping onto Lakewood Avenue just east of its junction with I-75-85.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6982035,-84.3962236,581m/data=!3m1!1e3
I-420.
Perhaps GDOT didn’t go through with that after realizing they would have a lot of stolen signs on their hands.
I wouldn't be suprised if a ton of I-69 shields had to be replaced because of theft already
As far as I know, here in Houston there hasn’t been. Maybe in rural areas.
From what I know, Michigan marks freeway entrance ramps with a BGS, so it's hard to find an I-69 shield unless it's a reassurance one on the freeway
Indiana is inconsistant. One intersection, they'll use a BGS. The next, it'll be ground mounted shields. The one after, it'll be overhanging cut-out shields. With this, it's a possibility there's a stolen I-69 shield at some point somewhere.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 03, 2021, 08:30:38 AM
Do any of the OH-420 signs get stolen frequently?
I read somewhere that mile 420 signs in eastern Colorado kept getting stolen so they changed it around to where it now says 420.1 and moved it accordingly
Last I checked (which was a few years ago), there is no 66.6 mile marker on US 1 in Massachusetts (Topsfield/Danvers). Mile markers are every 0.2 in that region.
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on January 05, 2021, 02:21:23 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 03, 2021, 08:30:38 AM
Do any of the OH-420 signs get stolen frequently?
I read somewhere that mile 420 signs in eastern Colorado kept getting stolen so they changed it around to where it now says 420.1 and moved it accordingly
Probably more along the lines of a 419.99 mile marker sign, just like how they do 68.99 mile markers so there is no reference of said numbers at all.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 03, 2021, 08:30:38 AM
Do any of the OH-420 signs get stolen frequently?
I think the only standalone OH-420 shields are at the OH-163 intersection, and also southbound just past Libbey Road, and anytime I've driven through the signs were there. Most recently was a few months ago.
What about I-78 and I-495 in Manhattan? Those just dissolve into city streets shortly upon entering. And if we're counting non-interstates, the Woodhaven Road freeway in Philadelphia ends as a driveway into a business parking lot.
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 03, 2021, 04:30:41 PM
Quote from: coldshoulder on December 31, 2020, 08:14:57 PM
Not interstates, but Youngstown,Ohio has two in very close proximity, with an expressway-like four-lane divided US-422 (speed limit 50) without an exit ramp running smack dab into Oak St., where you must turn left to proceed on 422. It was designed that way, as there were never any plans for the expressway to go beyond that.
Just north of there another four-lane divided expressway carries US-62 but dead ends abruptly at Albert Street, where again you must turn left to remain on the US route. This was intended to proceed further in an eventual northeasterly direction to hook up with I-80 in Hubbard Township, thus the name of the ill-fated and never-constructed "Hubbard Expressway."
(//)https://goo.gl/maps/4Y7NAGsLtgUQUMyb8
Truthfully, I do not understand why Madison Ave (aka US 422) ends at Oak St instead of seamlessly transitioning into US 62 (and the Eastern quadrant of the Y-town loop)
First, remember that these expressways (and many others) were conceived, planned and engineered in the 60's and early 70's, when left exits, closely-spaced entrance/exit ramps, and other design characteristics such as this intersection/ending were considered acceptable and/or desirable.
In this specific instance, one of the major movements is for traffic to continue on US-422 east, which theoretically could be accomplished with what you suggested by including an exit ramp off US-62 at Oak Street. But within the existing footprint, it becomes a major engineering challenge as there is very limited space which is further complicated by the terrain and the necessity of the bridge on 422 spanning both the creek and railroad tracks immediately prior to the intersection of the two mainlines.
That would also create a weave issue with US-422 traffic that wanted to proceed to US-62 southwest, along with US-62 southwest traffic that wanted to exit to US-422 east--had the US-62 segment been completed beyond Albert Street, which it never did and never will be.
I would surmise that planners and engineers considered moving the US-62 mainline and ROW to the east to alleviate those concerns in order to accommodate said exit ramp, but there were (and are) two major community resources on Oak Street--a school and a church--that stood in the way and that would have had to come down.
It's interesting to note the over-engineered/over-built interchange here, whereby US-62 northeast traffic exiting to US-422 west follows an exit ramp that goes under Oak Street (like the mainline), but then to avoid a weave situation is bridged over the loop ramp from US-422 east to US-62 northeast. Again, had that expressway been completed beyond Albert Street as planned, then it makes some sense. But it never came to pass.
A poster in another thread asked, given its size why Youngstown and its surrounding area has so many freeways and expressways. Perhaps the answer, and the existence of this overbuilt interchange is because Youngstown native J. Phillip Richley was the Ohio Department of Transportation Director during the late 60's and early 70's. He later served as Youngstown mayor for two years in the late 70's.
I spent some time in Savannah last week while making my way up the I-95 corridor, and I thought the east end of I-16 happens rather suddenly and with little warning. The first mention of I-16 ending is here (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.071728,-81.1032865,3a,75y,75.54h,83.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNdCuokORcCJO2wwhKwDNZA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en), and then "exit 167B" turns out to be nothing more than the eastbound lanes suddenly dumping onto Montgomery Street (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.073694,-81.0989216,3a,75y,47.92h,85.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0z4gpQLBH2a8ii7TV5s5vQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en).
Quote from: bzakharin on January 05, 2021, 03:53:10 PM
What about I-78 and I-495 in Manhattan? Those just dissolve into city streets shortly upon entering. And if we're counting non-interstates, the Woodhaven Road freeway in Philadelphia ends as a driveway into a business parking lot.
Yes those would also apply as they were supposed to be continued to serve the city before special interest groups came into the picture.
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 05, 2021, 12:42:03 AM
Quote from: achilles765 on January 05, 2021, 12:22:08 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 02, 2021, 08:24:31 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on January 02, 2021, 07:45:46 PM
Quote from: Finrod on January 01, 2021, 08:54:23 PM
Langford Parkway in south Atlanta was to be I-420 but just ends up dumping onto Lakewood Avenue just east of its junction with I-75-85.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6982035,-84.3962236,581m/data=!3m1!1e3
I-420.
Perhaps GDOT didn't go through with that after realizing they would have a lot of stolen signs on their hands.
I wouldn't be suprised if a ton of I-69 shields had to be replaced because of theft already
As far as I know, here in Houston there hasn't been. Maybe in rural areas.
From what I know, Michigan marks freeway entrance ramps with a BGS, so it's hard to find an I-69 shield unless it's a reassurance one on the freeway
Indiana is inconsistant. One intersection, they'll use a BGS. The next, it'll be ground mounted shields. The one after, it'll be overhanging cut-out shields. With this, it's a possibility there's a stolen I-69 shield at some point somewhere.
Indiana's I-69 signs actually are pretty consistently marked at interchanges and along the highway itself with both BGSs and ground mounted shields. In any case, the vast majority of I-69 signs are intact. Once in a blue moon would one sign actually be missing and even then it's more likely the case that the sign was simply damaged by a vehicle than by theft.
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 05, 2021, 12:42:03 AM
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Quote from: SkyPesos on January 02, 2021, 08:24:31 PM
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Quote from: Finrod on January 01, 2021, 08:54:23 PM
Langford Parkway in south Atlanta was to be I-420 but just ends up dumping onto Lakewood Avenue just east of its junction with I-75-85.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6982035,-84.3962236,581m/data=!3m1!1e3
I-420.
Perhaps GDOT didn't go through with that after realizing they would have a lot of stolen signs on their hands.
I wouldn't be suprised if a ton of I-69 shields had to be replaced because of theft already
As far as I know, here in Houston there hasn't been. Maybe in rural areas.
From what I know, Michigan marks freeway entrance ramps with a BGS, so it's hard to find an I-69 shield unless it's a reassurance one on the freeway
Indiana is inconsistant. One intersection, they'll use a BGS. The next, it'll be ground mounted shields. The one after, it'll be overhanging cut-out shields. With this, it's a possibility there's a stolen I-69 shield at some point somewhere.
I've never noticed any issues with missing signs for KY 69, KY 420, or the new I-69 in Kentucky.
Non-interstate example (but is an 'extension' of an interstate): BC 99 in Vancouver after it crosses the Fraser River, dropping onto Oak St.
Quote from: thenetwork on January 05, 2021, 02:40:16 PM
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on January 05, 2021, 02:21:23 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 03, 2021, 08:30:38 AM
Do any of the OH-420 signs get stolen frequently?
I read somewhere that mile 420 signs in eastern Colorado kept getting stolen so they changed it around to where it now says 420.1 and moved it accordingly
Probably more along the lines of a 419.99 mile marker sign, just like how they do 68.99 mile markers so there is no reference of said numbers at all.
Last I heard, even the 419.99 signs on 70 had been stolen.
Quote from: US 89 on January 05, 2021, 08:41:38 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on January 05, 2021, 02:40:16 PM
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on January 05, 2021, 02:21:23 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 03, 2021, 08:30:38 AM
Do any of the OH-420 signs get stolen frequently?
I read somewhere that mile 420 signs in eastern Colorado kept getting stolen so they changed it around to where it now says 420.1 and moved it accordingly
Probably more along the lines of a 419.99 mile marker sign, just like how they do 68.99 mile markers so there is no reference of said numbers at all.
Last I heard, even the 419.99 signs on 70 had been stolen.
Those got stolen pretty quickly every time they went up, so CDOT stopped replacing them. Ditto with the 419.99 signs on other roads which are that long.
i-165 in mobile just dies and turns into water street downtown.
Quote from: bzakharin on January 05, 2021, 03:53:10 PM
What about I-78 and I-495 in Manhattan? Those just dissolve into city streets shortly upon entering. And if we're counting non-interstates, the Woodhaven Road freeway in Philadelphia ends as a driveway into a business parking lot.
I-78 Freeway ends before that even. The freeway ends at a signalized intersection with Jersey Avenue in Jersey City, NJ.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 05, 2021, 08:53:25 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on January 05, 2021, 03:53:10 PM
What about I-78 and I-495 in Manhattan? Those just dissolve into city streets shortly upon entering. And if we're counting non-interstates, the Woodhaven Road freeway in Philadelphia ends as a driveway into a business parking lot.
I-78 Freeway ends before that even. The freeway ends at a signalized intersection with Jersey Avenue in Jersey City, NJ.
Which itself is a trivia question answer. I-78 is the only Interstate other than I-70 to continue through signalized intersections, because the one-way pair it follows in Jersey City has several of them.
Quote from: cl94 on January 05, 2021, 09:31:08 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 05, 2021, 08:53:25 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on January 05, 2021, 03:53:10 PM
What about I-78 and I-495 in Manhattan? Those just dissolve into city streets shortly upon entering. And if we're counting non-interstates, the Woodhaven Road freeway in Philadelphia ends as a driveway into a business parking lot.
I-78 Freeway ends before that even. The freeway ends at a signalized intersection with Jersey Avenue in Jersey City, NJ.
Which itself is a trivia question answer. I-78 is the only Interstate other than I-70 to continue through signalized intersections, because the one-way pair it follows in Jersey City has several of them.
I thought I-676 had a signal in the middle.
Quote from: 1 on January 05, 2021, 09:35:37 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 05, 2021, 09:31:08 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 05, 2021, 08:53:25 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on January 05, 2021, 03:53:10 PM
What about I-78 and I-495 in Manhattan? Those just dissolve into city streets shortly upon entering. And if we're counting non-interstates, the Woodhaven Road freeway in Philadelphia ends as a driveway into a business parking lot.
I-78 Freeway ends before that even. The freeway ends at a signalized intersection with Jersey Avenue in Jersey City, NJ.
Which itself is a trivia question answer. I-78 is the only Interstate other than I-70 to continue through signalized intersections, because the one-way pair it follows in Jersey City has several of them.
I thought I-676 had a signal in the middle.
Apparently the surface segment in Philly may not officially be I-676?
I-45 crosses the Galveston Causeway and transitions into SH-87 a first three lane urban arterial with sloughs of traffic signals .
At this point, I-49 drops off into two one-way streets at Lafayette and ends at a tee with US-71 north of Texarkana. Both of these are temporary ends, but the south one at Lafayette was seemingly the permanent one for over a decade.
I-49 also drops off just north of I-20 into what is little more than a neighborhood street.
Quote from: US 89 on January 05, 2021, 09:56:54 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 05, 2021, 09:35:37 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 05, 2021, 09:31:08 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 05, 2021, 08:53:25 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on January 05, 2021, 03:53:10 PM
What about I-78 and I-495 in Manhattan? Those just dissolve into city streets shortly upon entering. And if we're counting non-interstates, the Woodhaven Road freeway in Philadelphia ends as a driveway into a business parking lot.
I-78 Freeway ends before that even. The freeway ends at a signalized intersection with Jersey Avenue in Jersey City, NJ.
Which itself is a trivia question answer. I-78 is the only Interstate other than I-70 to continue through signalized intersections, because the one-way pair it follows in Jersey City has several of them.
I thought I-676 had a signal in the middle.
Apparently the surface segment in Philly may not officially be I-676?
676 is officially discontinuous. The segment connecting to I-76 west of downtown ends at I-95, then you have the Ben Franklin Bridge/NJ segment.
Quote from: cl94 on January 05, 2021, 09:31:08 PM
Which itself is a trivia question answer. I-78 is the only Interstate other than I-70 to continue through signalized intersections, because the one-way pair it follows in Jersey City has several of them.
You've offended poor I-180 in Wyoming!
As for I-676, I thought that was recognized by one DOT but not another. You could even make the "discontinuous" argument for I-70, given the way it's signed as US 30 TO I-70. Of course, if you let signing be a deciding factor, that hurts the case for I-78, because last time I checked, it ceases to be signed where the freeway ends.
Quote from: stridentweasel on January 06, 2021, 07:08:38 AM
Quote from: cl94 on January 05, 2021, 09:31:08 PM
Which itself is a trivia question answer. I-78 is the only Interstate other than I-70 to continue through signalized intersections, because the one-way pair it follows in Jersey City has several of them.
You've offended poor I-180 in Wyoming!
As for I-676, I thought that was recognized by one DOT but not another. You could even make the "discontinuous" argument for I-70, given the way it's signed as US 30 TO I-70. Of course, if you let signing be a deciding factor, that hurts the case for I-78, because last time I checked, it ceases to be signed where the freeway ends.
Let's face it. I-180 in Wyoming is not an Interstate, it's just signed as one.
And what about I-585 in Spartanburg, SC? That's the other example I've seen cited of traffic lights on interstates.
Quote from: stridentweasel on January 06, 2021, 07:08:38 AM
Quote from: cl94 on January 05, 2021, 09:31:08 PM
Which itself is a trivia question answer. I-78 is the only Interstate other than I-70 to continue through signalized intersections, because the one-way pair it follows in Jersey City has several of them.
You've offended poor I-180 in Wyoming!
As for I-676, I thought that was recognized by one DOT but not another. You could even make the "discontinuous" argument for I-70, given the way it's signed as US 30 TO I-70. Of course, if you let signing be a deciding factor, that hurts the case for I-78, because last time I checked, it ceases to be signed where the freeway ends.
I had always thought that PennDOT just had it wrong and that the interstate still went to the bridge, but it appears that FHWA agrees with them (https://hepgis.fhwa.dot.gov/fhwagis/).
what's up with the interstates around Greenville, SC? it's like they tried to build a beltway but got drunk and forgot what a circle was and gave up. :-D
Spartanburgs make no sense either, why does bus 85 even exist at all? and did they just not feel like finishing 585?
Quote from: silverback1065 on January 06, 2021, 09:00:04 PM
what's up with the interstates around Greenville, SC? it's like they tried to build a beltway but got drunk and forgot what a circle was and gave up. :-D
Spartanburgs make no sense either, why does bus 85 even exist at all? and did they just not feel like finishing 585?
In Spartanburg's case, the route that is now Business I-85 was the original mainline I-85 (so that I-585 did indeed connect with I-85 back then). It was around 1995 that the "bypass" was constructed, with I-85 being relocated to it, and Business I-85 being created.