Title: Only in these two states...
Post by: hotdogPi on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Florida and Indiana: A strict grid numbering system
Georgia and Ontario (yes, I know that's not a state): 400-series freeways
Michigan and Kansas: State route abbreviations are M- and K- instead of MI and KS
Illinois and New York: Have an intrastate I-88
Minnesota and Texas: Have suffixed Interstate routes
Missouri and Wisconsin: Have lettered routes
California and Iowa: Have letter-number county routes
Alaska and South Dakota: Capital has no freeway
Illinois and Ohio: Have an Interstate "bump" (as far as I'm aware)
Arkansas and Indiana: Allow duplicating state route numbers with no restrictions
Alaska and Hawaii: Have no US routes
Texas and Kentucky: Have enough routes that their statewide route system has to go to 4 digits
New Jersey and Indiana: 1xx must be related to xx (and the same for all 3-digit routes)
Massachusetts and Maine: Use a thin-bordered blank square as a shield
Connecticut and West Virginia: Use a thick-bordered blank square as a shield
Idaho and Louisiana: State route shield colors can be either normal or inverted with no difference
California and Vermont: Green state route shields (if we're considering states only)
Wyoming and Illinois: Have a pointless I-180
New York and New Hampshire: Regularly have alternate routes that go through the alphabet, such as NY 17K and NH 11D
(This thread is also open to traffic signals, traffic laws, DOTs, etc., as well as historical road-related comparisons.)
Georgia and Ontario (yes, I know that's not a state): 400-series freeways
Michigan and Kansas: State route abbreviations are M- and K- instead of MI and KS
Illinois and New York: Have an intrastate I-88
Minnesota and Texas: Have suffixed Interstate routes
Missouri and Wisconsin: Have lettered routes
California and Iowa: Have letter-number county routes
Alaska and South Dakota: Capital has no freeway
Illinois and Ohio: Have an Interstate "bump" (as far as I'm aware)
Arkansas and Indiana: Allow duplicating state route numbers with no restrictions
Alaska and Hawaii: Have no US routes
Texas and Kentucky: Have enough routes that their statewide route system has to go to 4 digits
New Jersey and Indiana: 1xx must be related to xx (and the same for all 3-digit routes)
Massachusetts and Maine: Use a thin-bordered blank square as a shield
Connecticut and West Virginia: Use a thick-bordered blank square as a shield
Idaho and Louisiana: State route shield colors can be either normal or inverted with no difference
California and Vermont: Green state route shields (if we're considering states only)
Wyoming and Illinois: Have a pointless I-180
New York and New Hampshire: Regularly have alternate routes that go through the alphabet, such as NY 17K and NH 11D
(This thread is also open to traffic signals, traffic laws, DOTs, etc., as well as historical road-related comparisons.)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ilpt4u on January 14, 2021, 08:24:37 AM
Post by: ilpt4u on January 14, 2021, 08:24:37 AM
Illinois has 2 of those Interstate Bumps...
Are 76/80, 74/80, and 64/70 really the only 3 that exist?
Are 76/80, 74/80, and 64/70 really the only 3 that exist?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: roadman65 on January 14, 2021, 08:36:42 AM
Post by: roadman65 on January 14, 2021, 08:36:42 AM
Then PA and La both use local destinations as control cities for interstates.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Mapmikey on January 14, 2021, 08:45:09 AM
Post by: Mapmikey on January 14, 2021, 08:45:09 AM
Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Georgia and Ontario (yes, I know that's not a state): 400-series freeways
Tennessee at least had 400-series designations on its interstates but I have to contact TDOT to see if that is still true
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: froggie on January 14, 2021, 09:05:29 AM
Post by: froggie on January 14, 2021, 09:05:29 AM
QuoteCalifornia and Iowa: Have letter-number county routes
Disqualified, as some exist in Illinois as well.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: webny99 on January 14, 2021, 09:09:24 AM
Post by: webny99 on January 14, 2021, 09:09:24 AM
Is I-271/I-480 the only multiplex of 3dis? If there's one I'm forgetting then that state could be paired with Ohio.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: JayhawkCO on January 14, 2021, 09:13:07 AM
Post by: JayhawkCO on January 14, 2021, 09:13:07 AM
Louisiana has plenty of 4 digit state routes.
Chris
Chris
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jmacswimmer on January 14, 2021, 09:44:29 AM
Post by: jmacswimmer on January 14, 2021, 09:44:29 AM
Quote from: webny99 on January 14, 2021, 09:09:24 AM
Is I-271/I-480 the only multiplex of 3dis? If there's one I'm forgetting then that state could be paired with Ohio.
I-785/I-840 in NC (although I-840 is currently unsigned along the concurrency until its entire length is complete).
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: JayhawkCO on January 14, 2021, 09:54:39 AM
Post by: JayhawkCO on January 14, 2021, 09:54:39 AM
Colorado & Hawai'i: The only two states with paved roads above 11,000'
Chris
Chris
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hotdogPi on January 14, 2021, 09:55:06 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on January 14, 2021, 09:55:06 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on January 14, 2021, 09:13:07 AM
Louisiana has plenty of 4 digit state routes.
Chris
Did they run out of 3-digit numbers, though?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: JayhawkCO on January 14, 2021, 09:57:32 AM
Post by: JayhawkCO on January 14, 2021, 09:57:32 AM
Quote from: froggie on January 14, 2021, 09:05:29 AMQuoteCalifornia and Iowa: Have letter-number county routes
Disqualified, as some exist in Illinois as well.
New Mexico as well.
Chris
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on January 14, 2021, 10:11:03 AM
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on January 14, 2021, 10:11:03 AM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 14, 2021, 08:45:09 AMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Georgia and Ontario (yes, I know that's not a state): 400-series freeways
Tennessee at least had 400-series designations on its interstates but I have to contact TDOT to see if that is still true
Weren't there also 4xx designations for various interstates in Virginia at one point? I know I-495 was internally designated VA 413 through at least the early 2000s.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Mapmikey on January 14, 2021, 10:17:59 AM
Post by: Mapmikey on January 14, 2021, 10:17:59 AM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on January 14, 2021, 10:11:03 AMQuote from: Mapmikey on January 14, 2021, 08:45:09 AMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Georgia and Ontario (yes, I know that's not a state): 400-series freeways
Tennessee at least had 400-series designations on its interstates but I have to contact TDOT to see if that is still true
Weren't there also 4xx designations for various interstates in Virginia at one point? I know I-495 was internally designated VA 413 through at least the early 2000s.
Yes. These internal designations went away in the late 1950s/early 60s and project numbers after that used the interstate numbers once coincident state route designations were changed. The appearance of 413 on more recent documents is a legacy error - a fully posted VA 413 has been around since since 1981.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 10:29:48 AM
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 10:29:48 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on January 14, 2021, 09:57:32 AMQuote from: froggie on January 14, 2021, 09:05:29 AMQuoteCalifornia and Iowa: Have letter-number county routes
Disqualified, as some exist in Illinois as well.
New Mexico as well.
↓ New Mexico ↓ 01-OCT-2020 ↓
(https://i.imgur.com/3Smzw4P.jpg)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 10:31:32 AM
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 10:31:32 AM
Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Arkansas and Indiana: Allow duplicating state route numbers with no restrictions
Do you mean they have multiple state routes with the same number, or do you mean their state route numbers duplicate US- or I- route numbers?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hotdogPi on January 14, 2021, 10:36:18 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on January 14, 2021, 10:36:18 AM
Quote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 10:31:32 AMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Arkansas and Indiana: Allow duplicating state route numbers with no restrictions
Do you mean they have multiple state routes with the same number, or do you mean their state route numbers duplicate US- or I- route numbers?
Multiple state routes with the same number.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: JayhawkCO on January 14, 2021, 11:09:47 AM
Post by: JayhawkCO on January 14, 2021, 11:09:47 AM
Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 09:55:06 AMQuote from: jayhawkco on January 14, 2021, 09:13:07 AM
Louisiana has plenty of 4 digit state routes.
Chris
Did they run out of 3-digit numbers, though?
They don't use 200-300, but there are far more than 100 4-digit routes. Including business, unconnected, and hyphenated routes, there are 1234 state highways in Louisiana. If you eliminate those multiples (quick count), there are 1124. So four digits would indeed be required.
Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 10:36:18 AMQuote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 10:31:32 AMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Arkansas and Indiana: Allow duplicating state route numbers with no restrictions
Do you mean they have multiple state routes with the same number, or do you mean their state route numbers duplicate US- or I- route numbers?
Multiple state routes with the same number.
So on that note, I think you can add Louisiana to this list too, eliminating that one.
Chris
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 14, 2021, 11:30:37 AM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 14, 2021, 11:30:37 AM
Dodge County, MN has some lettered county highways; I imagine other isolated places probably do as well.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 11:36:53 AM
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 11:36:53 AM
I will say this about the alphanumeric county route thing, though... California and Iowa have a statewide (except Lake County, CA) system for numbering (or at least lettering) them. New Mexico and other isolated areas don't have that.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 11:38:25 AM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 11:38:25 AM
Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AMKind of wondering, which other states have freeway bumps (doesn't have to be interstate). Off the top of my head, although not a state, there's one between ON 403 and ON 407
Illinois and Ohio: Have an Interstate "bump" (as far as I'm aware)
Also is there a state that uses APL signage as extensively as BC? That would be another pair.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 14, 2021, 12:06:07 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 14, 2021, 12:06:07 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 11:38:25 AMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AMKind of wondering, which other states have freeway bumps (doesn't have to be interstate). Off the top of my head, although not a state, there's one between ON 403 and ON 407
Illinois and Ohio: Have an Interstate "bump" (as far as I'm aware)
Also is there a state that uses APL signage as extensively as BC? That would be another pair.
IN 2 and US 20 aren't freeways, but they do bump at an interchange.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: KCRoadFan on January 14, 2021, 12:11:01 PM
Post by: KCRoadFan on January 14, 2021, 12:11:01 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on January 14, 2021, 09:57:32 AMQuote from: froggie on January 14, 2021, 09:05:29 AMQuoteCalifornia and Iowa: Have letter-number county routes
Disqualified, as some exist in Illinois as well.
New Mexico as well.
Chris
Michigan as well
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: KCRoadFan on January 14, 2021, 12:11:28 PM
Post by: KCRoadFan on January 14, 2021, 12:11:28 PM
New Jersey and Oregon: no self-service gas.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 14, 2021, 12:19:32 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 14, 2021, 12:19:32 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on January 14, 2021, 12:11:28 PM
New Jersey and Oregon: no self-service gas.
Oregon relaxed that law somewhat, but functionally you can only self serve if no one lives there.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Life in Paradise on January 14, 2021, 12:20:58 PM
Post by: Life in Paradise on January 14, 2021, 12:20:58 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 10:36:18 AMIn Indiana it is more that IDOT has dropped roads in cities off their rolls, making roads non-congruent on each side of the city, or have neglected to either co-sign a connecting road or have dropped a highway (such as the upcoming IN-37 exit of the I-69 corridor south of Indy) leaving remaining segments on each side.Quote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 10:31:32 AMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Arkansas and Indiana: Allow duplicating state route numbers with no restrictions
Do you mean they have multiple state routes with the same number, or do you mean their state route numbers duplicate US- or I- route numbers?
Multiple state routes with the same number.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 12:22:52 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 12:22:52 PM
Also before I officially say that it's only in these 2 states...
Do any other states besides Indiana and Ohio posts these blue signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2226458,-84.3663577,3a,24.4y,96h,85.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sc60HYOJ4hNZlj9eN0qjReQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) at exit and entrance ramps?
Indiana example (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9210982,-86.109376,3a,15y,0.76h,85.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKUBaGWRulvZkfFYX6CbQ7A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) (link above is Ohio's)
Do any other states besides Indiana and Ohio posts these blue signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2226458,-84.3663577,3a,24.4y,96h,85.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sc60HYOJ4hNZlj9eN0qjReQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) at exit and entrance ramps?
Indiana example (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9210982,-86.109376,3a,15y,0.76h,85.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKUBaGWRulvZkfFYX6CbQ7A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) (link above is Ohio's)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: US 89 on January 14, 2021, 12:28:06 PM
Post by: US 89 on January 14, 2021, 12:28:06 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
New Jersey and Indiana: 1xx must be related to xx (and the same for all 3-digit routes)
This is the case in Mississippi as well - all MS 1xx routes are old alignments of US xx.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: thspfc on January 14, 2021, 12:35:07 PM
Post by: thspfc on January 14, 2021, 12:35:07 PM
I'm tired of people abusing WY I-180. They just don't understand the greatness of it.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 12:35:23 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 12:35:23 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 12:22:52 PM
Also before I officially say that it's only in these 2 states...
Do any other states besides Indiana and Ohio posts these blue signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2226458,-84.3663577,3a,24.4y,96h,85.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sc60HYOJ4hNZlj9eN0qjReQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) at exit and entrance ramps?
Kansas does this, but it might just be a Wichita thing. Not sure about the rest of the state.
example (https://goo.gl/maps/dYJBNoVAuu3WiPKG7)
example (https://goo.gl/maps/NHZCCu7Pouncy44y7)
example (https://goo.gl/maps/gYFJxN1bBL7w2Njb6)
example (https://goo.gl/maps/fqdG3xW7riycbvtu5)
Quote from: Life in Paradise on January 14, 2021, 12:20:58 PMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 10:36:18 AMQuote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 10:31:32 AMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Arkansas and Indiana: Allow duplicating state route numbers with no restrictions
Do you mean they have multiple state routes with the same number, or do you mean their state route numbers duplicate US- or I- route numbers?
Multiple state routes with the same number.
In Indiana it is more that IDOT has dropped roads in cities off their rolls, making roads non-congruent on each side of the city, or have neglected to either co-sign a connecting road or have dropped a highway (such as the upcoming IN-37 exit of the I-69 corridor south of Indy) leaving remaining segments on each side.
Does this mean that, in Indiana, the discontinuous sections are considered segments of the same route, or are they considered separate routes?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 14, 2021, 12:52:37 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 14, 2021, 12:52:37 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 12:35:23 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 12:22:52 PM
Also before I officially say that it's only in these 2 states...
Do any other states besides Indiana and Ohio posts these blue signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2226458,-84.3663577,3a,24.4y,96h,85.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sc60HYOJ4hNZlj9eN0qjReQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) at exit and entrance ramps?
Kansas does this, but it might just be a Wichita thing. Not sure about the rest of the state.
example (https://goo.gl/maps/dYJBNoVAuu3WiPKG7)
example (https://goo.gl/maps/NHZCCu7Pouncy44y7)
example (https://goo.gl/maps/gYFJxN1bBL7w2Njb6)
example (https://goo.gl/maps/fqdG3xW7riycbvtu5)Quote from: Life in Paradise on January 14, 2021, 12:20:58 PMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 10:36:18 AMQuote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 10:31:32 AMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Arkansas and Indiana: Allow duplicating state route numbers with no restrictions
Do you mean they have multiple state routes with the same number, or do you mean their state route numbers duplicate US- or I- route numbers?
Multiple state routes with the same number.
In Indiana it is more that IDOT has dropped roads in cities off their rolls, making roads non-congruent on each side of the city, or have neglected to either co-sign a connecting road or have dropped a highway (such as the upcoming IN-37 exit of the I-69 corridor south of Indy) leaving remaining segments on each side.
Does this mean that, in Indiana, the discontinuous sections are considered segments of the same route, or are they considered separate routes?
The mile markers on one segment pick up where the other left off, so I guess that means they are segments of the same route.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: bassoon1986 on January 14, 2021, 12:55:11 PM
Post by: bassoon1986 on January 14, 2021, 12:55:11 PM
Also the inverted shields for Louisiana and Idaho is not totally correct. Idaho does have shields that flip from black with white to white with black.
Louisiana's aren't inverted. It's 2 different shield designs and color choices. Originals were green state with white text. The newer ones are white state with black text. It isn't an inversion of the old one (white state with green text)
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Louisiana's aren't inverted. It's 2 different shield designs and color choices. Originals were green state with white text. The newer ones are white state with black text. It isn't an inversion of the old one (white state with green text)
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Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 12:56:03 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 12:56:03 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 14, 2021, 12:52:37 PM
The mile markers on one segment pick up where the other left off, so I guess that means they are segments of the same route.
Aw geez, I thought you were responding to the part about blue transition signs between highways in Kansas. And I was preparing to reply that the markers don't actually have mile numbers on them. Then I realized you were talking about Indiana!
(Pro tip: Trim your quoted material, folks!)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 01:04:08 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 01:04:08 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 12:56:03 PMI found an Indiana example (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9210982,-86.109376,3a,15y,0.76h,85.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKUBaGWRulvZkfFYX6CbQ7A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), adding onto what I had earlier. Think I prefer Indiana's over Ohio, since the latter tries to fit everything in a square, while Indiana has the full road name, and exit number. For example, on the I-275 and Loveland-Madeira Rd exit, it's abbreviated as "LVLDMDA".Quote from: cabiness42 on January 14, 2021, 12:52:37 PM
The mile markers on one segment pick up where the other left off, so I guess that means they are segments of the same route.
Aw geez, I thought you were responding to the part about blue transition signs between highways in Kansas. And I was preparing to reply that the markers don't actually have mile numbers on them. Then I realized you were talking about Indiana!
(Pro tip: Trim your quoted material, folks!)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: frankenroad on January 14, 2021, 01:06:17 PM
Post by: frankenroad on January 14, 2021, 01:06:17 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 11:36:53 AM
I will say this about the alphanumeric county route thing, though... California and Iowa have a statewide (except Lake County, CA) system for numbering (or at least lettering) them. New Mexico and other isolated areas don't have that.
Michigan has a state-wide system.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 01:10:30 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 01:10:30 PM
Quote from: frankenroad on January 14, 2021, 01:06:17 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 11:36:53 AM
I will say this about the alphanumeric county route thing, though... California and Iowa have a statewide (except Lake County, CA) system for numbering (or at least lettering) them. New Mexico and other isolated areas don't have that.
Michigan has a state-wide system.
Cool! I wasn't aware of that before now.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Scott5114 on January 14, 2021, 01:46:29 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on January 14, 2021, 01:46:29 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
New York and New Hampshire: Regularly have alternate routes that go through the alphabet, such as NY 17K and NH 11D
Not true–this is a distinct feature of the Oklahoma route numbering system as well (reaching all the way up to SH-74F on the most-suffixed route, with one-offs for mnemonic reasons for 77H, 77S, and 412P).
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on January 14, 2021, 02:12:52 PM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on January 14, 2021, 02:12:52 PM
Pennsylvania and Nebraska: Only two states with a legitimate I-180 :sombrero:.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: TheStranger on January 14, 2021, 02:15:30 PM
Post by: TheStranger on January 14, 2021, 02:15:30 PM
California and Iowa: Only two states to have ever used the I-880 designation
California and Illinois: Only two states to extensively use internally tabbed exit signs
California and Idaho: Only two states to have had suffixed routes for I-15
California and Illinois: Only two states to extensively use internally tabbed exit signs
California and Idaho: Only two states to have had suffixed routes for I-15
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Scott5114 on January 14, 2021, 02:29:33 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on January 14, 2021, 02:29:33 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on January 14, 2021, 02:15:30 PM
California and Illinois: Only two states to extensively use internally tabbed exit signs
Washington.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Brandon on January 14, 2021, 02:30:55 PM
Post by: Brandon on January 14, 2021, 02:30:55 PM
Illinois and Michigan: One gets license plates and driver's licenses from the Secretary of State.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 02:31:14 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 02:31:14 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 14, 2021, 02:29:33 PMDoes internally tabbed mean full length?Quote from: TheStranger on January 14, 2021, 02:15:30 PM
California and Illinois: Only two states to extensively use internally tabbed exit signs
Washington.
If that's the case, add Georgia and maybe Michigan to the list
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: TheStranger on January 14, 2021, 02:53:41 PM
Post by: TheStranger on January 14, 2021, 02:53:41 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 02:31:14 PMWow I had legit forgotten about those other examples!Quote from: Scott5114 on January 14, 2021, 02:29:33 PMDoes internally tabbed mean full length?Quote from: TheStranger on January 14, 2021, 02:15:30 PM
California and Illinois: Only two states to extensively use internally tabbed exit signs
Washington.
If that's the case, add Georgia and maybe Michigan to the list
I remember threads over the years complaining about California using that style but it seems like in comparison it rarely generated mentions for other states implementing that practice too.
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Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jakeroot on January 14, 2021, 03:01:49 PM
Post by: jakeroot on January 14, 2021, 03:01:49 PM
Washington and Oregon: centered exit tabs.
I'm not aware of other states that center their exit tabs. WA uses full-width internal exit tabs*, whereas Oregon uses actual tabs mounted above the sign, but both centrally-mount the legend and, in the case of Oregon, the actual tab itself.
* exception being SW WA, which does things weirdly and likes to use actual tabs mounted on the right edge of a sign as is normal elsewhere.
I'm not aware of other states that center their exit tabs. WA uses full-width internal exit tabs*, whereas Oregon uses actual tabs mounted above the sign, but both centrally-mount the legend and, in the case of Oregon, the actual tab itself.
* exception being SW WA, which does things weirdly and likes to use actual tabs mounted on the right edge of a sign as is normal elsewhere.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 03:19:39 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 03:19:39 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 14, 2021, 03:01:49 PMGeorgia also has centered full length attached exit tabs (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9152064,-84.3480897,3a,27.2y,257.92h,102.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssimomYpUgmElcMoAkn9wEQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). Them and WA are the only states I know of that does this, so those 2 can be a pair for this thread.
Washington and Oregon: centered exit tabs.
I'm not aware of other states that center their exit tabs. WA uses full-width internal exit tabs*, whereas Oregon uses actual tabs mounted above the sign, but both centrally-mount the legend and, in the case of Oregon, the actual tab itself.
* exception being SW WA, which does things weirdly and likes to use actual tabs mounted on the right edge of a sign as is normal elsewhere.
In the past, Missouri also installed centered exit tabs, similar to Oregon's, but it's all on the sides now. There's still a couple examples left in Missouri though; here's one at I-270 and MO 340 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6766329,-90.4495364,3a,61.2y,207.15h,95.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4xH5jjXitpPOGZnwOuVI0g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hbelkins on January 14, 2021, 03:28:19 PM
Post by: hbelkins on January 14, 2021, 03:28:19 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 12:22:52 PM
Also before I officially say that it's only in these 2 states...
Do any other states besides Indiana and Ohio posts these blue signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2226458,-84.3663577,3a,24.4y,96h,85.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sc60HYOJ4hNZlj9eN0qjReQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) at exit and entrance ramps?
Indiana example (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9210982,-86.109376,3a,15y,0.76h,85.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKUBaGWRulvZkfFYX6CbQ7A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) (link above is Ohio's)
No, Kentucky does this as well.
An entrant in this thread: Virginia and West Virginia -- use markers for their state secondary systems that are used as primary route markers in other states (the circle).
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 03:32:11 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 03:32:11 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 14, 2021, 03:28:19 PMNot sure about the exact specs, but Missouri's secondary (lettered) route markers looks similar to WV's primary route markers; both are squares with a thick black border.
An entrant in this thread: Virginia and West Virginia -- use markers for their state secondary systems that are used as primary route markers in other states (the circle).
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: GaryV on January 14, 2021, 03:32:34 PM
Post by: GaryV on January 14, 2021, 03:32:34 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 12:22:52 PM
Also before I officially say that it's only in these 2 states...
Do any other states besides Indiana and Ohio posts these blue signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2226458,-84.3663577,3a,24.4y,96h,85.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sc60HYOJ4hNZlj9eN0qjReQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) at exit and entrance ramps?
Indiana example (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9210982,-86.109376,3a,15y,0.76h,85.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKUBaGWRulvZkfFYX6CbQ7A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) (link above is Ohio's)
Michigan has some on freeway to freeway interchanges. Maybe others too.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 03:43:58 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 03:43:58 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 03:32:11 PMQuote from: hbelkins on January 14, 2021, 03:28:19 PM
An entrant in this thread: Virginia and West Virginia -- use markers for their state secondary systems that are used as primary route markers in other states (the circle).
Not sure about the exact specs, but Missouri's secondary (lettered) route markers looks similar to WV's primary route markers; both are squares with a thick black border.
Yeah, that was the first thing that came to my mind as well.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/WV-2.svg/200px-WV-2.svg.png) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/MO-supp-Z.svg/200px-MO-supp-Z.svg.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/WV-100.svg/200px-WV-100.svg.png) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/MO-supp-OO.svg/200px-MO-supp-OO.svg.png)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: TheStranger on January 14, 2021, 03:45:40 PM
Post by: TheStranger on January 14, 2021, 03:45:40 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 14, 2021, 03:01:49 PM
Washington and Oregon: centered exit tabs.
I'm not aware of other states that center their exit tabs. WA uses full-width internal exit tabs*, whereas Oregon uses actual tabs mounted above the sign, but both centrally-mount the legend and, in the case of Oregon, the actual tab itself.
* exception being SW WA, which does things weirdly and likes to use actual tabs mounted on the right edge of a sign as is normal elsewhere.
The 1971 Los Angeles exit numbering experiment had centered tabs as well:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3442.0 (thread I began on that topic in 2010)
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images005/i-005_nb_exit_131_03.jpg)
Also in looking up Illinois's internal tabbed signs, some of them are centered:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8025706,-87.6309606,3a,75y,15.94h,88.17t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIhUdv3pvOOxjoNkaiMpTZw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DIhUdv3pvOOxjoNkaiMpTZw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D52.43767%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8233501,-87.6300093,3a,75y,2.38h,108.18t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sYDzUJKLfhWbGPMULkpDLjA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DYDzUJKLfhWbGPMULkpDLjA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D78.743866%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Scott5114 on January 14, 2021, 03:49:06 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on January 14, 2021, 03:49:06 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 14, 2021, 03:01:49 PM
Washington and Oregon: centered exit tabs.
I'm not aware of other states that center their exit tabs. WA uses full-width internal exit tabs*, whereas Oregon uses actual tabs mounted above the sign, but both centrally-mount the legend and, in the case of Oregon, the actual tab itself.
This used to be common practice in Missouri in the button copy era, although they no longer do so.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 03:50:28 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 03:50:28 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on January 14, 2021, 03:45:40 PM
Also in looking up Illinois's internal tabbed signs, some of them are centered:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8025706,-87.6309606,3a,75y,15.94h,88.17t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIhUdv3pvOOxjoNkaiMpTZw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DIhUdv3pvOOxjoNkaiMpTZw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D52.43767%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8233501,-87.6300093,3a,75y,2.38h,108.18t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sYDzUJKLfhWbGPMULkpDLjA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DYDzUJKLfhWbGPMULkpDLjA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D78.743866%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
full width = centered ?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Big John on January 14, 2021, 03:51:31 PM
Post by: Big John on January 14, 2021, 03:51:31 PM
^^ Was the pictorial stop ahead sign adopted in 1971?
Quote from: TheStranger on January 14, 2021, 03:45:40 PMWas the pictorial stop ahead sign adopted in 1971?Quote from: jakeroot on January 14, 2021, 03:01:49 PM
Washington and Oregon: centered exit tabs.
I'm not aware of other states that center their exit tabs. WA uses full-width internal exit tabs*, whereas Oregon uses actual tabs mounted above the sign, but both centrally-mount the legend and, in the case of Oregon, the actual tab itself.
* exception being SW WA, which does things weirdly and likes to use actual tabs mounted on the right edge of a sign as is normal elsewhere.
The 1971 Los Angeles exit numbering experiment had centered tabs as well:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3442.0 (thread I began on that topic in 2010)
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images005/i-005_nb_exit_131_03.jpg)
Also in looking up Illinois's internal tabbed signs, some of them are centered:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8025706,-87.6309606,3a,75y,15.94h,88.17t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIhUdv3pvOOxjoNkaiMpTZw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DIhUdv3pvOOxjoNkaiMpTZw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D52.43767%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8233501,-87.6300093,3a,75y,2.38h,108.18t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sYDzUJKLfhWbGPMULkpDLjA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DYDzUJKLfhWbGPMULkpDLjA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D78.743866%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: CoreySamson on January 14, 2021, 03:52:09 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on January 14, 2021, 03:52:09 PM
Here's two I have concerning Texas:
Texas and New Mexico: only states that use horizontal traffic signals consistently throughout the entire state (barring a few exceptions)
Texas and Oklahoma: only states that seem to sign clearance on every freakin bridge
Texas and New Mexico: only states that use horizontal traffic signals consistently throughout the entire state (barring a few exceptions)
Texas and Oklahoma: only states that seem to sign clearance on every freakin bridge
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: JayhawkCO on January 14, 2021, 03:54:47 PM
Post by: JayhawkCO on January 14, 2021, 03:54:47 PM
Here's a good one, and near and dear to my heart being born in Minnesota and living in Colorado:
Minnesota & Colorado - Have two or more non-neutral colors on the state route shield.
Chris
Minnesota & Colorado - Have two or more non-neutral colors on the state route shield.
Chris
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Terry Shea on January 14, 2021, 04:46:35 PM
Post by: Terry Shea on January 14, 2021, 04:46:35 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on January 14, 2021, 09:57:32 AMThat makes it a double secret disqualification! :)Quote from: froggie on January 14, 2021, 09:05:29 AMQuoteCalifornia and Iowa: Have letter-number county routes
Disqualified, as some exist in Illinois as well.
New Mexico as well.
Chris
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 14, 2021, 04:52:56 PM
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 14, 2021, 04:52:56 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Florida and Indiana: A strict grid numbering system
New Jersey and Indiana: 1xx must be related to xx (and the same for all 3-digit routes)
Because Indiana mimics the US highway system in both of these ways, I was about 12 years old before I realized that not every state does the same thing.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 04:56:03 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 04:56:03 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 14, 2021, 04:52:56 PM
Because Indiana mimics the US highway system in both of these ways, I was about 12 years old before I realized that not every state does the same thing.
How long before you realized that a state doesn't have to have any pattern at all, and people still don't get lost or wonder what part of the state they're in?
I tell you, I wish all route numbers were just randomly assigned. I hate clusters of similarly-numbered routes.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Flint1979 on January 14, 2021, 05:02:39 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on January 14, 2021, 05:02:39 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 14, 2021, 04:52:56 PMI don't know why but I realized that pretty quick about Indiana. I was traveling down I-69 one day and noticed that the state highways were going in order and after looking at a map of Indiana I thought this looks exactly like the US highway system on a state highway system.Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Florida and Indiana: A strict grid numbering system
New Jersey and Indiana: 1xx must be related to xx (and the same for all 3-digit routes)
Because Indiana mimics the US highway system in both of these ways, I was about 12 years old before I realized that not every state does the same thing.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 05:08:16 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 05:08:16 PM
I don't even remember anymore: where is I-366 supposed to have an 85-mph speed limit? We can add that to Texas.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 05:09:47 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 05:09:47 PM
ARGUMENT TIME
Which two states' panhandles actually deserve to be called panhandles?
Which two states' panhandles actually deserve to be called panhandles?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ozarkman417 on January 14, 2021, 05:31:58 PM
Post by: ozarkman417 on January 14, 2021, 05:31:58 PM
Oklahoma, because you could argue that the state itself looks like a pan, though a disfigured one.
The other one was a bit more difficult to decide on. I eliminated NE and TX because I think they are too thick, while AK's is more so a series of islands. There remain a few, like Idaho and West Virginia, but, in my opinion, the one that looks the panhandleist of the remaining ones is Florida's.
The other one was a bit more difficult to decide on. I eliminated NE and TX because I think they are too thick, while AK's is more so a series of islands. There remain a few, like Idaho and West Virginia, but, in my opinion, the one that looks the panhandleist of the remaining ones is Florida's.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: cl94 on January 14, 2021, 05:48:20 PM
Post by: cl94 on January 14, 2021, 05:48:20 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 14, 2021, 01:46:29 PMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
New York and New Hampshire: Regularly have alternate routes that go through the alphabet, such as NY 17K and NH 11D
Not true–this is a distinct feature of the Oklahoma route numbering system as well (reaching all the way up to SH-74F on the most-suffixed route, with one-offs for mnemonic reasons for 77H, 77S, and 412P).
Vermont has a handful as well.
If we want to count internal suffixes, throw CO and MD onto the list, because they get quite high.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Ned Weasel on January 14, 2021, 05:55:45 PM
Post by: Ned Weasel on January 14, 2021, 05:55:45 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 12:35:23 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 12:22:52 PM
Also before I officially say that it's only in these 2 states...
Do any other states besides Indiana and Ohio posts these blue signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2226458,-84.3663577,3a,24.4y,96h,85.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sc60HYOJ4hNZlj9eN0qjReQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) at exit and entrance ramps?
Kansas does this, but it might just be a Wichita thing. Not sure about the rest of the state.
example (https://goo.gl/maps/dYJBNoVAuu3WiPKG7)
example (https://goo.gl/maps/NHZCCu7Pouncy44y7)
example (https://goo.gl/maps/gYFJxN1bBL7w2Njb6)
example (https://goo.gl/maps/fqdG3xW7riycbvtu5)
I was pretty sure I saw them somewhere that wasn't Wichita, Indiana, or Ohio: https://goo.gl/maps/6xgYeKg172krJEcK6
How about this one? Michigan and New Jersey: The only two states to popularize a unique style of left turn substitution. Unless you count Texas Turnarounds or roundabouts.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 07:35:52 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 07:35:52 PM
Quote from: stridentweasel on January 14, 2021, 05:55:45 PM
How about this one? Michigan and New Jersey: The only two states to popularize a unique style of left turn substitution. Unless you count Texas Turnarounds or roundabouts.
OK, what state are you saying has uniquely popularized the roundabout?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hotdogPi on January 14, 2021, 07:46:09 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on January 14, 2021, 07:46:09 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 07:35:52 PMQuote from: stridentweasel on January 14, 2021, 05:55:45 PM
How about this one? Michigan and New Jersey: The only two states to popularize a unique style of left turn substitution. Unless you count Texas Turnarounds or roundabouts.
OK, what state are you saying has uniquely popularized the roundabout?
Outside the US. They're everywhere in Europe.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Ned Weasel on January 14, 2021, 08:18:19 PM
Post by: Ned Weasel on January 14, 2021, 08:18:19 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 07:35:52 PM
OK, what state are you saying has uniquely popularized the roundabout?
I wasn't exactly saying that, although I would have guessed Massachusetts, but I also wouldn't have been entirely correct, as Wikipedia says the first modern roundabout in the U.S. was built in Nevada in 1990 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout#Development_of_modern_roundabouts).
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:30:10 PM
Post by: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:30:10 PM
Michigan and North Carolina: only two states with diamond shaped highway markers?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: tdindy88 on January 14, 2021, 08:35:57 PM
Post by: tdindy88 on January 14, 2021, 08:35:57 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:30:10 PM
Michigan and North Carolina: only two states with diamond shaped highway markers?
Aren't they also the only states that sign their central business districts "DOWNTOWN" on their highway signs? Or does another state do that as well?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Post by: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 14, 2021, 08:35:57 PMQuote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:30:10 PM
Michigan and North Carolina: only two states with diamond shaped highway markers?
Aren't they also the only states that sign their central business districts "DOWNTOWN" on their highway signs? Or does another state do that as well?
I recall seeing that along I-10 and I-45 in the Houston area
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Revive 755 on January 14, 2021, 09:06:31 PM
Post by: Revive 755 on January 14, 2021, 09:06:31 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on January 14, 2021, 03:52:09 PM
Here's two I have concerning Texas:
Texas and New Mexico: only states that use horizontal traffic signals consistently throughout the entire state (barring a few exceptions)
Nebraska at least used to mostly use horizontal signals except for the Omaha area and span wire installations. The Lincoln area has since switched to vertical.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Elm on January 14, 2021, 09:11:08 PM
Post by: Elm on January 14, 2021, 09:11:08 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:48:30 PMQuote from: tdindy88 on January 14, 2021, 08:35:57 PMI recall seeing that along I-10 and I-45 in the Houston areaQuote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:30:10 PMAren't they also the only states that sign their central business districts "DOWNTOWN" on their highway signs? Or does another state do that as well?
Michigan and North Carolina: only two states with diamond shaped highway markers?
Colorado has some of those, too. On I-25, exit 142 is Bijou St/Downtown (https://www.google.com/maps/@?api=1&map_action=pano&viewpoint=38.841338,%20-104.830220&heading=180&pitch=0&fov=40) for Colorado Springs, and southbound exit 213 is 38th Ave/Park Ave/Downtown (https://www.google.com/maps/@?api=1&map_action=pano&viewpoint=39.775864,-104.989788&heading=185&pitch=0&fov=20) for Denver. Some express lane signs reference "Downtown" further out, like here on US 36 (https://www.google.com/maps/@?api=1&map_action=pano&viewpoint=39.852642,-105.050391&heading=160&pitch=0&fov=40).
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: TheStranger on January 14, 2021, 09:55:21 PM
Post by: TheStranger on January 14, 2021, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: Elm on January 14, 2021, 09:11:08 PMQuote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:48:30 PMQuote from: tdindy88 on January 14, 2021, 08:35:57 PMI recall seeing that along I-10 and I-45 in the Houston areaQuote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:30:10 PMAren't they also the only states that sign their central business districts "DOWNTOWN" on their highway signs? Or does another state do that as well?
Michigan and North Carolina: only two states with diamond shaped highway markers?
Colorado has some of those, too. On I-25, exit 142 is Bijou St/Downtown (https://www.google.com/maps/@?api=1&map_action=pano&viewpoint=38.841338,%20-104.830220&heading=180&pitch=0&fov=40) for Colorado Springs, and southbound exit 213 is 38th Ave/Park Ave/Downtown (https://www.google.com/maps/@?api=1&map_action=pano&viewpoint=39.775864,-104.989788&heading=185&pitch=0&fov=20) for Denver. Some express lane signs reference "Downtown" further out, like here on US 36 (https://www.google.com/maps/@?api=1&map_action=pano&viewpoint=39.852642,-105.050391&heading=160&pitch=0&fov=40).
Downtown signage off of 110/Harbor Freeway northbound past I-10 in Los Angeles:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0402227,-118.2735916,3a,75y,39.3h,97.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skAda1l92hX2u-ASVNj1dug!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: dkblake on January 14, 2021, 10:03:34 PM
Post by: dkblake on January 14, 2021, 10:03:34 PM
Quote from: stridentweasel on January 14, 2021, 08:18:19 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 07:35:52 PM
OK, what state are you saying has uniquely popularized the roundabout?
I wasn't exactly saying that, although I would have guessed Massachusetts, but I also wouldn't have been entirely correct, as Wikipedia says the first modern roundabout in the U.S. was built in Nevada in 1990 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout#Development_of_modern_roundabouts).
Is roundabout some strange non-Massachusetts term for rotary? :)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ran4sh on January 14, 2021, 10:04:22 PM
Post by: ran4sh on January 14, 2021, 10:04:22 PM
New York and South Carolina: Exit number tab on freeway signs is right-aligned not to the right edge of the sign, but at the point where the border's corner transitions from straight to curve. Although new NY signs don't do this anymore.
NY example: https://goo.gl/maps/pM8qrmS5SdQ1jMzu5
SC example: https://goo.gl/maps/QgpG5B48YsQzn6Zf8
This looks better on the NY signs because the corner is actually rounded, compared to the SC signs.
NY example: https://goo.gl/maps/pM8qrmS5SdQ1jMzu5
SC example: https://goo.gl/maps/QgpG5B48YsQzn6Zf8
This looks better on the NY signs because the corner is actually rounded, compared to the SC signs.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2021, 10:05:36 PM
Post by: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2021, 10:05:36 PM
Arizona and New Mexico:
No 3DIs
No 3DIs
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: US 89 on January 14, 2021, 10:08:42 PM
Post by: US 89 on January 14, 2021, 10:08:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2021, 10:05:36 PM
Arizona and New Mexico:
No 3DIs
Alaska
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 10:09:48 PM
Post by: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 10:09:48 PM
CA and NY: only 2 states with 3-dis that start with a 9.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hotdogPi on January 14, 2021, 10:11:43 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on January 14, 2021, 10:11:43 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 10:09:48 PM
CA and NY: only 2 states with 3-dis that start with a 9.
I-985 in GA
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: froggie on January 14, 2021, 10:24:09 PM
Post by: froggie on January 14, 2021, 10:24:09 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 14, 2021, 03:01:49 PM
Washington and Oregon: centered exit tabs.
Until recently, Minnesota.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 10:26:54 PM
Post by: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 10:26:54 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 10:11:43 PMQuote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 10:09:48 PM
CA and NY: only 2 states with 3-dis that start with a 9.
D'oh! Forgot about that one. 😂
I-985 in GA
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: webny99 on January 14, 2021, 10:41:45 PM
Post by: webny99 on January 14, 2021, 10:41:45 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 05:09:47 PM
ARGUMENT TIME
Which two states' panhandles actually deserve to be called panhandles?
Florida and Oklahoma. Is there even more than two options?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ran4sh on January 14, 2021, 11:13:40 PM
Post by: ran4sh on January 14, 2021, 11:13:40 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 14, 2021, 03:01:49 PM
Washington and Oregon: centered exit tabs.
Centered exit tabs were the norm everywhere until someone got the idea to align it based on direction and got that guidance added to the MUTCD. Technically the right-aligned exit tab for a right exit is still only Guidance in the MUTCD, although in the proposed new MUTCD it is proposed to be upgraded to Standard.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Caps81943 on January 14, 2021, 11:25:20 PM
Post by: Caps81943 on January 14, 2021, 11:25:20 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
California and Vermont: Green state route shields (if we're considering states only)
South Dakota says hi.
Quote from: CoreySamson on January 14, 2021, 03:52:09 PM
Texas and New Mexico: only states that use horizontal traffic signals consistently throughout the entire state (barring a few exceptions)
Wisconsin is iffy for this, 15 years ago I'd say Wisconsin was a member of the exclusive horizontal signals club, but it's moving to vertical now.
Though I'd stick Nebraska with TX and NM.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: KeithE4Phx on January 14, 2021, 11:26:57 PM
Post by: KeithE4Phx on January 14, 2021, 11:26:57 PM
Quote from: US 89 on January 14, 2021, 10:08:42 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2021, 10:05:36 PM
Arizona and New Mexico:
No 3DIs
Alaska
West Virginia and Vermont
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ran4sh on January 14, 2021, 11:28:31 PM
Post by: ran4sh on January 14, 2021, 11:28:31 PM
Tennessee & South Carolina: State route markers that are always the 3-digit width even when used for 2 or 1 digit routes.
(A related standard, using a 2-digit width even for 3+ digit routes, is done in plenty of other states)
(A related standard, using a 2-digit width even for 3+ digit routes, is done in plenty of other states)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ran4sh on January 14, 2021, 11:28:53 PM
Post by: ran4sh on January 14, 2021, 11:28:53 PM
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on January 14, 2021, 11:26:57 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2021, 10:05:36 PM
Arizona and New Mexico:
No 3DIs
West Virginia and Vermont
West Virginia has a 3di off I-70
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: cl94 on January 14, 2021, 11:38:08 PM
Post by: cl94 on January 14, 2021, 11:38:08 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 14, 2021, 11:28:53 PMQuote from: KeithE4Phx on January 14, 2021, 11:26:57 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2021, 10:05:36 PM
Arizona and New Mexico:
No 3DIs
West Virginia and Vermont
West Virginia has a 3di off I-70
And Vermont has I-189.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 15, 2021, 12:02:14 AM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 15, 2021, 12:02:14 AM
Another one
OH and PA: only 2 states with at least 5 2di interstates with the same number first digit (6 I-7x for OH, 5 I-8x for PA)
OH and PA: only 2 states with at least 5 2di interstates with the same number first digit (6 I-7x for OH, 5 I-8x for PA)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jakeroot on January 15, 2021, 01:28:27 AM
Post by: jakeroot on January 15, 2021, 01:28:27 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 03:19:39 PMQuote from: jakeroot on January 14, 2021, 03:01:49 PM
Washington and Oregon: centered exit tabs.
I'm not aware of other states that center their exit tabs. WA uses full-width internal exit tabs*, whereas Oregon uses actual tabs mounted above the sign, but both centrally-mount the legend and, in the case of Oregon, the actual tab itself.
* exception being SW WA, which does things weirdly and likes to use actual tabs mounted on the right edge of a sign as is normal elsewhere.
Georgia also has centered full length attached exit tabs (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9152064,-84.3480897,3a,27.2y,257.92h,102.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssimomYpUgmElcMoAkn9wEQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). Them and WA are the only states I know of that does this, so those 2 can be a pair for this thread.
In the past, Missouri also installed centered exit tabs, similar to Oregon's, but it's all on the sides now. There's still a couple examples left in Missouri though; here's one at I-270 and MO 340 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6766329,-90.4495364,3a,61.2y,207.15h,95.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4xH5jjXitpPOGZnwOuVI0g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Quote from: TheStranger on January 14, 2021, 03:45:40 PM
The 1971 Los Angeles exit numbering experiment had centered tabs as well:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3442.0 (thread I began on that topic in 2010)
Quote from: froggie on January 14, 2021, 10:24:09 PM
Until recently, Minnesota.
I want to make it very plain that I recognize centered exit tabs as having been a thing in many places historically. But even in the cases highlighted above: MN, CA, GA, CT...none still use centered exit tabs or centered exit legends. Georgia seeming to be the most recent of those to shift away from centered exit tabs (which, apart from using Series D, were identical to WSDOT's design).
But I believe I'm still correct in saying WA and OR are unique in that they continue to use centered exit tabs; it wasn't something one or the other has done for a long time or has a lot of remaining examples of. It's literally as simple as "WA and OR use centered exit tabs...period".
froggie: could you be more specific when you say "until recently"? I'm seeing exit tabs in MN that are right/left justified on GSV going back to 2008.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on January 15, 2021, 04:39:57 AM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on January 15, 2021, 04:39:57 AM
Quote from: US 89 on January 14, 2021, 10:08:42 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2021, 10:05:36 PM
Arizona and New Mexico:
No 3DIs
Alaska
Alaska and New Mexico: Have no idea of what 3dis are (Seriously, they haven't planned one yet).
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Flint1979 on January 15, 2021, 06:26:59 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on January 15, 2021, 06:26:59 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 15, 2021, 12:02:14 AMNew York has five 2-di's starting with an 8 as well.
Another one
OH and PA: only 2 states with at least 5 2di interstates with the same number first digit (6 I-7x for OH, 5 I-8x for PA)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jmacswimmer on January 15, 2021, 09:05:02 AM
Post by: jmacswimmer on January 15, 2021, 09:05:02 AM
Quote from: TheStranger on January 14, 2021, 09:55:21 PMDowntown signage in Maryland:Quote from: Elm on January 14, 2021, 09:11:08 PMQuote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:48:30 PMQuote from: tdindy88 on January 14, 2021, 08:35:57 PMI recall seeing that along I-10 and I-45 in the Houston areaQuote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:30:10 PMAren't they also the only states that sign their central business districts "DOWNTOWN" on their highway signs? Or does another state do that as well?
Michigan and North Carolina: only two states with diamond shaped highway markers?
Colorado has some of those, too. On I-25, exit 142 is Bijou St/Downtown (https://www.google.com/maps/@?api=1&map_action=pano&viewpoint=38.841338,%20-104.830220&heading=180&pitch=0&fov=40) for Colorado Springs, and southbound exit 213 is 38th Ave/Park Ave/Downtown (https://www.google.com/maps/@?api=1&map_action=pano&viewpoint=39.775864,-104.989788&heading=185&pitch=0&fov=20) for Denver. Some express lane signs reference "Downtown" further out, like here on US 36 (https://www.google.com/maps/@?api=1&map_action=pano&viewpoint=39.852642,-105.050391&heading=160&pitch=0&fov=40).
Downtown signage off of 110/Harbor Freeway northbound past I-10 in Los Angeles:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0402227,-118.2735916,3a,75y,39.3h,97.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skAda1l92hX2u-ASVNj1dug!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
-Baltimore from I-95/I-395 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2688171,-76.631337,3a,75y,111.26h,86.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdxUSHOOsZpela7DwxLpmaQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
-Cumberland from I-68 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.649568,-78.7582277,3a,66y,275.72h,86.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sldT43k9vK-7VTJh5-wPH-Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
-Frederick from I-70 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3994525,-77.4105511,3a,75y,79.32h,81.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s931Et-zsdLpM33L42BBZmw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: froggie on January 15, 2021, 09:07:54 AM
Post by: froggie on January 15, 2021, 09:07:54 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 15, 2021, 01:28:27 AM
froggie: could you be more specific when you say "until recently"? I'm seeing exit tabs in MN that are right/left justified on GSV going back to 2008.
From what I can tell, MnDOT changed their guidance in 2015. But as recently as 2 years ago (the last time I made it back), center tabs were still plentiful.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: formulanone on January 15, 2021, 09:27:58 AM
Post by: formulanone on January 15, 2021, 09:27:58 AM
Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Florida and Indiana: A strict grid numbering system
I think they're also the only two states which officially use "State Road" instead of State Highway or State Route. Could be wrong about this, but I can't find the specific thread where we discussed how DOTs officially named their state inventory.
Mississippi also has a grid that's about as strict as Florida's, except for two (10 and 20) which were re-numbered for Interstates.
Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 10:11:43 PMQuote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 10:09:48 PM
CA and NY: only 2 states with 3-dis that start with a 9.
I-985 in GA
The hidden designation of US 90 Business in the New Orleans area is I-910.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: tdindy88 on January 15, 2021, 09:43:41 AM
Post by: tdindy88 on January 15, 2021, 09:43:41 AM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on January 15, 2021, 09:05:02 AMQuote from: TheStranger on January 14, 2021, 09:55:21 PMDowntown signage in Maryland:Quote from: Elm on January 14, 2021, 09:11:08 PMQuote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:48:30 PMQuote from: tdindy88 on January 14, 2021, 08:35:57 PMI recall seeing that along I-10 and I-45 in the Houston areaQuote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:30:10 PMAren't they also the only states that sign their central business districts "DOWNTOWN" on their highway signs? Or does another state do that as well?
Michigan and North Carolina: only two states with diamond shaped highway markers?
Colorado has some of those, too. On I-25, exit 142 is Bijou St/Downtown (https://www.google.com/maps/@?api=1&map_action=pano&viewpoint=38.841338,%20-104.830220&heading=180&pitch=0&fov=40) for Colorado Springs, and southbound exit 213 is 38th Ave/Park Ave/Downtown (https://www.google.com/maps/@?api=1&map_action=pano&viewpoint=39.775864,-104.989788&heading=185&pitch=0&fov=20) for Denver. Some express lane signs reference "Downtown" further out, like here on US 36 (https://www.google.com/maps/@?api=1&map_action=pano&viewpoint=39.852642,-105.050391&heading=160&pitch=0&fov=40).
Downtown signage off of 110/Harbor Freeway northbound past I-10 in Los Angeles:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0402227,-118.2735916,3a,75y,39.3h,97.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skAda1l92hX2u-ASVNj1dug!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
-Baltimore from I-95/I-395 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2688171,-76.631337,3a,75y,111.26h,86.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdxUSHOOsZpela7DwxLpmaQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
-Cumberland from I-68 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.649568,-78.7582277,3a,66y,275.72h,86.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sldT43k9vK-7VTJh5-wPH-Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
-Frederick from I-70 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3994525,-77.4105511,3a,75y,79.32h,81.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s931Et-zsdLpM33L42BBZmw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
What I meant to say was that both Michigan and North Carolina sign their downtowns by spelling out Downtown in All-Capital Letters.
Such as here in North Carolina: https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5551793,-82.6161122,3a,75y,94.5h,91.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOnyMRYxs5DPnV7CR54x29Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
And in Michigan: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9189415,-83.6775916,3a,75y,330.55h,86.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxgaXjyFrv0A_MTajxqnLWQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
All those other examples spells the word Downtown in mixed case letters while these two both do them in all caps.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: roadman65 on January 15, 2021, 09:46:53 AM
Post by: roadman65 on January 15, 2021, 09:46:53 AM
GA and TN actually sign hidden state routes on US Highways.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: US 89 on January 15, 2021, 10:07:26 AM
Post by: US 89 on January 15, 2021, 10:07:26 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 15, 2021, 09:27:58 AMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Florida and Indiana: A strict grid numbering system
I think they're also the only two states which officially use "State Road" instead of State Highway or State Route. Could be wrong about this, but I can't find the specific thread where we discussed how DOTs officially named their state inventory.
I think New Mexico is also a "state road" state.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 15, 2021, 09:46:53 AM
GA and TN actually sign hidden state routes on US Highways.
TN does not. GA does very reliably, to the point that in multiple cases the state route number is the local name for the road rather than the US number. GA 365 instead of US 23, GA 400 instead of US 19, etc...
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jmacswimmer on January 15, 2021, 11:00:48 AM
Post by: jmacswimmer on January 15, 2021, 11:00:48 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 15, 2021, 09:27:58 AMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 10:11:43 PMQuote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 10:09:48 PM
CA and NY: only 2 states with 3-dis that start with a 9.
I-985 in GA
The hidden designation of US 90 Business in the New Orleans area is I-910.
And as discussed in the "District of Columbia" thread, DC just passed up a golden opportunity to introduce I-995! :-D
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Henry on January 15, 2021, 12:03:23 PM
Post by: Henry on January 15, 2021, 12:03:23 PM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on January 15, 2021, 04:39:57 AMAre we going to ignore the once-proposed I-410 and I-510 in Phoenix, or I-710 in Tucson? While AZ currently doesn't have any 3dis, it certainly has planned some. NM, on the other hand, has never had any such proposals that I know of.Quote from: US 89 on January 14, 2021, 10:08:42 PMQuote from: Roadgeekteen on January 14, 2021, 10:05:36 PM
Arizona and New Mexico:
No 3DIs
Alaska
Alaska and New Mexico: Have no idea of what 3dis are (Seriously, they haven't planned one yet).
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 15, 2021, 12:04:40 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 15, 2021, 12:04:40 PM
I don't think anyone ever said Arizona hadn't planned a 3di.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 15, 2021, 12:11:04 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 15, 2021, 12:11:04 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 15, 2021, 09:07:54 AMQuote from: jakeroot on January 15, 2021, 01:28:27 AM
froggie: could you be more specific when you say "until recently"? I'm seeing exit tabs in MN that are right/left justified on GSV going back to 2008.
From what I can tell, MnDOT changed their guidance in 2015. But as recently as 2 years ago (the last time I made it back), center tabs were still plentiful.
The last area with plentiful center tabs is 494 between 394 and Valley View Road, which was rebuilt in 2006 right as right-justified tabs were becoming the norm in the state. There are a few isolated ones around the state, though.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: OCGuy81 on January 15, 2021, 12:12:45 PM
Post by: OCGuy81 on January 15, 2021, 12:12:45 PM
I might be wrong on this but here goes.
CA and WA: only two states that use Freeway Entrance signage at every interchange.
CA and WA: only two states that use Freeway Entrance signage at every interchange.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 15, 2021, 12:16:57 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 15, 2021, 12:16:57 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on January 15, 2021, 12:12:45 PMNot sure if it's every interchange, but I found some (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9537885,-117.7533809,3a,34y,212.84h,85.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSao03aXIb7Wrx5oPcKbx-Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)Nevada (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5274291,-119.7823611,3a,78.2y,230.98h,88.06t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1ssJXCnaUTYZrXzy_p31Riww!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DsJXCnaUTYZrXzy_p31Riww%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D347.83368%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)examples (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1261402,-115.1812948,3a,56y,197.45h,87.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s94swcNZEX5WO9V1eBLMOYw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
I might be wrong on this but here goes.
CA and WA: only two states that use Freeway Entrance signage at every interchange.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: OCGuy81 on January 15, 2021, 12:23:23 PM
Post by: OCGuy81 on January 15, 2021, 12:23:23 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 15, 2021, 12:16:57 PMQuote from: OCGuy81 on January 15, 2021, 12:12:45 PMNot sure if it's every interchange, but I found some (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9537885,-117.7533809,3a,34y,212.84h,85.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSao03aXIb7Wrx5oPcKbx-Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)Nevada (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5274291,-119.7823611,3a,78.2y,230.98h,88.06t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1ssJXCnaUTYZrXzy_p31Riww!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DsJXCnaUTYZrXzy_p31Riww%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D347.83368%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)examples (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1261402,-115.1812948,3a,56y,197.45h,87.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s94swcNZEX5WO9V1eBLMOYw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
I might be wrong on this but here goes.
CA and WA: only two states that use Freeway Entrance signage at every interchange.
I knew Nevada used them quite a bit, but I wasn't sure if it was at every ramp. California and Washington seem to
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: plain on January 15, 2021, 12:54:24 PM
Post by: plain on January 15, 2021, 12:54:24 PM
CA and VA: only states with both mountain tunnels and underwater tunnels for vehicles
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 15, 2021, 01:03:08 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 15, 2021, 01:03:08 PM
How many states use a substantially different shield blank for post-mounts as for BGS-mounts?
Texas
New Mexico ??? sort of
Idaho ??? sort of
others?
Texas
New Mexico ??? sort of
Idaho ??? sort of
others?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: vdeane on January 15, 2021, 01:03:41 PM
Post by: vdeane on January 15, 2021, 01:03:41 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 14, 2021, 10:04:22 PMSure they do. Lots of newer signs that have it done that way... including the one you linked!
Although new NY signs don't do this anymore.
https://nysroads.com/photos.php?route=i90a&state=NY&file=101_3408.JPG
https://nysroads.com/photos.php?route=i390&state=NY&file=102_1153.JPG
https://nysroads.com/photos.php?route=i87a&state=NY&file=102_0590.JPG
https://nysroads.com/photos.php?route=i81&state=NY&file=101_7244.JPG
https://nysroads.com/photos.php?route=i88&state=NY&file=102_1089.JPG
It's certainly true that there are more and more examples of NY signs that don't do that... I suspect the reason is an increasing number of new signs being installed as spot replacements (done by maintenance forces in-house) or design-build projects (designed by the contractor rather than NYSDOT).
(personal opinion)
Quote from: dkblake on January 14, 2021, 10:03:34 PMThere actually are differences. Roundabouts are smaller and lower speed, for one.Quote from: stridentweasel on January 14, 2021, 08:18:19 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 07:35:52 PM
OK, what state are you saying has uniquely popularized the roundabout?
I wasn't exactly saying that, although I would have guessed Massachusetts, but I also wouldn't have been entirely correct, as Wikipedia says the first modern roundabout in the U.S. was built in Nevada in 1990 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout#Development_of_modern_roundabouts).
Is roundabout some strange non-Massachusetts term for rotary? :)
Quote from: plain on January 15, 2021, 12:54:24 PMNope.
CA and VA: only states with both mountain tunnels and underwater tunnels for vehicles
https://goo.gl/maps/FLjQX7bkNQ5WrwydA
https://goo.gl/maps/xVRcR4FgB4bNgpFm8
There's also this: https://goo.gl/maps/txx7XeA94q7hBPWp9
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: plain on January 15, 2021, 01:25:34 PM
Post by: plain on January 15, 2021, 01:25:34 PM
Quote from: vdeane on January 15, 2021, 01:03:41 PMQuote from: plain on January 15, 2021, 12:54:24 PMNope.
CA and VA: only states with both mountain tunnels and underwater tunnels for vehicles
https://goo.gl/maps/FLjQX7bkNQ5WrwydA
https://goo.gl/maps/xVRcR4FgB4bNgpFm8
There's also this: https://goo.gl/maps/txx7XeA94q7hBPWp9
Oops!
Then I'll try this...
NC and WI: Only states where an interstate multiplexes with a US route with the same number lmao
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: mgk920 on January 15, 2021, 01:45:08 PM
Post by: mgk920 on January 15, 2021, 01:45:08 PM
Virginia and Wisconsin - the only states with a 'wrong way' pairing of interstate highway route numbers.
Mike
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Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 15, 2021, 01:46:42 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 15, 2021, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: plain on January 15, 2021, 01:25:34 PMThat is true currently, but any confirmation if I-69 will share a concurrency with US 69 in Lufkin in the near future? US 59 does with US 69, on the eastern loop of Loop 287.Quote from: vdeane on January 15, 2021, 01:03:41 PMQuote from: plain on January 15, 2021, 12:54:24 PMNope.
CA and VA: only states with both mountain tunnels and underwater tunnels for vehicles
https://goo.gl/maps/FLjQX7bkNQ5WrwydA
https://goo.gl/maps/xVRcR4FgB4bNgpFm8
There's also this: https://goo.gl/maps/txx7XeA94q7hBPWp9
Oops!
Then I'll try this...
NC and WI: Only states where an interstate multiplexes with a US route with the same number lmao
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: cl94 on January 15, 2021, 01:54:49 PM
Post by: cl94 on January 15, 2021, 01:54:49 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 15, 2021, 12:04:40 PM
I don't think anyone ever said Arizona hadn't planned a 3di.
Hell, Arizona had a 3DI once upon a time. It just became part of a rerouted I-10 in 1971.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jmacswimmer on January 15, 2021, 02:11:04 PM
Post by: jmacswimmer on January 15, 2021, 02:11:04 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on January 15, 2021, 01:45:08 PM
Virginia and Wisconsin - the only states with a 'wrong way' pairing of interstate highway route numbers.
Mike
I-26/I-240 in Asheville NC. And, technically, I-76/I-80 ever-so-briefly while passing thru the toll plaza at Ohio Turnpike exit 218.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: cl94 on January 15, 2021, 02:13:14 PM
Post by: cl94 on January 15, 2021, 02:13:14 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on January 15, 2021, 02:11:04 PMQuote from: mgk920 on January 15, 2021, 01:45:08 PM
Virginia and Wisconsin - the only states with a 'wrong way' pairing of interstate highway route numbers.
Mike
And, technically, I-76/I-80 ever-so-briefly while passing thru the toll plaza at Ohio Turnpike exit 218.
Officially, the designations swap where the Turnpike crosses the free road, so no concurrency. The swap between I-87 and I-90 in New York is officially a concurrency, but not the similar-looking Ohio case.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: TheStranger on January 15, 2021, 02:27:37 PM
Post by: TheStranger on January 15, 2021, 02:27:37 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on January 15, 2021, 02:11:04 PMCalifornia has 80/580 on the Eastshore Freeway through Berkeley towards Albany as well.Quote from: mgk920 on January 15, 2021, 01:45:08 PM
Virginia and Wisconsin - the only states with a 'wrong way' pairing of interstate highway route numbers.
Mike
I-26/I-240 in Asheville NC. And, technically, I-76/I-80 ever-so-briefly while passing thru the toll plaza at Ohio Turnpike exit 218.
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Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 15, 2021, 02:40:24 PM
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 15, 2021, 02:40:24 PM
I'll play. I feel like this is wrong, but maybe this is to start the conversation:
Arizona and California: Only states to have a section of a highway or highways where the carriageways cross over and mimic driving on the left side of the road due to the grade of a mountain pass.
Texas and Missouri: Only states that extensively marks exit numbers as a tab above the gore sign, on a separate sign as opposed to on the gore sign itself. I know it shows up in a lot of states, but I have only seen it widespread in those two.
Extra Credit: Texas and Massachusetts: Only states in the US in which high school football is played under NCAA rules.
Arizona and California: Only states to have a section of a highway or highways where the carriageways cross over and mimic driving on the left side of the road due to the grade of a mountain pass.
Texas and Missouri: Only states that extensively marks exit numbers as a tab above the gore sign, on a separate sign as opposed to on the gore sign itself. I know it shows up in a lot of states, but I have only seen it widespread in those two.
Extra Credit: Texas and Massachusetts: Only states in the US in which high school football is played under NCAA rules.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: FrCorySticha on January 15, 2021, 04:50:29 PM
Post by: FrCorySticha on January 15, 2021, 04:50:29 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on January 15, 2021, 12:12:45 PMMT has been putting these up throughout the state. Not sure if on every entrance, but I have seen them on pretty much every one I can think of.
I might be wrong on this but here goes.
CA and WA: only two states that use Freeway Entrance signage at every interchange.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: CoreySamson on January 15, 2021, 05:01:23 PM
Post by: CoreySamson on January 15, 2021, 05:01:23 PM
I was going to say that Colorado and Texas were the only 2 states to refer to their state highways as SH-xx, but it turns out Idaho does too.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on January 15, 2021, 05:18:42 PM
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on January 15, 2021, 05:18:42 PM
Quote from: FrCorySticha on January 15, 2021, 04:50:29 PMQuote from: OCGuy81 on January 15, 2021, 12:12:45 PMMT has been putting these up throughout the state. Not sure if on every entrance, but I have seen them on pretty much every one I can think of.
I might be wrong on this but here goes.
CA and WA: only two states that use Freeway Entrance signage at every interchange.
Add West Virginia to that list.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hbelkins on January 15, 2021, 05:54:37 PM
Post by: hbelkins on January 15, 2021, 05:54:37 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 14, 2021, 10:41:45 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 05:09:47 PM
ARGUMENT TIME
Which two states' panhandles actually deserve to be called panhandles?
Florida and Oklahoma. Is there even more than two options?
West Virginia's eastern panhandle.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on January 15, 2021, 05:58:34 PM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on January 15, 2021, 05:58:34 PM
Minnesota and Texas: Only states currently with Interstate splits (Oddly, I-35 splits in both).
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: 6a on January 15, 2021, 06:03:08 PM
Post by: 6a on January 15, 2021, 06:03:08 PM
What is a "bump" ?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 15, 2021, 06:07:02 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 15, 2021, 06:07:02 PM
Quote from: 6a on January 15, 2021, 06:03:08 PM
What is a "bump" ?
Where Route A and Route B meet and swap alignments. For example, Route A comes from the north and turns east at the intersection. Route B comes from the west and turns south.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 15, 2021, 06:11:39 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 15, 2021, 06:11:39 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 15, 2021, 05:54:37 PMQuote from: webny99 on January 14, 2021, 10:41:45 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 05:09:47 PM
ARGUMENT TIME
Which two states' panhandles actually deserve to be called panhandles?
Florida and Oklahoma. Is there even more than two options?
West Virginia's eastern panhandle.
Also Texas, though the region containing El Paso makes more sense to be called a "panhandle" than the Amarillo portion that is the official panhandle.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Road Hog on January 15, 2021, 09:34:20 PM
Post by: Road Hog on January 15, 2021, 09:34:20 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 15, 2021, 02:40:24 PMTexas now signs exit numbers on the gore sign. If you still see a tab, that sign is at least 7 years old. Missouri was the first place I saw tabs in the 1980s (it certainly happened before).
Texas and Missouri: Only states that extensively marks exit numbers as a tab above the gore sign, on a separate sign as opposed to on the gore sign itself. I know it shows up in a lot of states, but I have only seen it widespread in those two.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 15, 2021, 09:55:31 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 15, 2021, 09:55:31 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on January 15, 2021, 09:34:20 PMThink both states moved on from the tabbed exit gore signs. Don’t know much about TX’s, but the most recent ones installed in MO afaik are on MO 364 for exits 12 WB, 14, 17, and 19 EB. MO switched to the vertical style exit gore signs, similar to what MN uses, with a couple of the official MUTCD style for 1-2 digit exit numbers.Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 15, 2021, 02:40:24 PMTexas now signs exit numbers on the gore sign. If you still see a tab, that sign is at least 7 years old. Missouri was the first place I saw tabs in the 1980s (it certainly happened before).
Texas and Missouri: Only states that extensively marks exit numbers as a tab above the gore sign, on a separate sign as opposed to on the gore sign itself. I know it shows up in a lot of states, but I have only seen it widespread in those two.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kurumi on January 15, 2021, 10:57:25 PM
Post by: kurumi on January 15, 2021, 10:57:25 PM
Has anyone built a scorigami-style matrix of the 1,225 possible two-state combinations?
AL and MA: have erected signs for AL state route 10
NH and VT: have more than one 2-digit interstate, but they are all odd-numbered
AL and MA: have erected signs for AL state route 10
NH and VT: have more than one 2-digit interstate, but they are all odd-numbered
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: froggie on January 15, 2021, 11:07:22 PM
Post by: froggie on January 15, 2021, 11:07:22 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 15, 2021, 02:40:24 PM
Texas and Missouri: Only states that extensively marks exit numbers as a tab above the gore sign, on a separate sign as opposed to on the gore sign itself. I know it shows up in a lot of states, but I have only seen it widespread in those two.
Does Alabama no longer do this? Used to be widespread there, but I haven't been to the state in 12 years.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: dlsterner on January 15, 2021, 11:34:14 PM
Post by: dlsterner on January 15, 2021, 11:34:14 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 15, 2021, 02:40:24 PM
Arizona and California: Only states to have a section of a highway or highways where the carriageways cross over and mimic driving on the left side of the road due to the grade of a mountain pass.
I-85 in North Carolina does this briefly as well, although you may not notice it (it took me a few times driving that stretch before I noticed). Although not because of a mountain pass.
And if you want to get picky, many states are re-building interchanges as DDI (diverging diamond interchange) which reverses the carriageways, albeit briefly.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 16, 2021, 12:38:53 AM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 16, 2021, 12:38:53 AM
Kind of surprised this one hasn't been mentioned yet:
Delaware and Maine: Only 2 states with exactly 1 2di, both being I-95.
Delaware and Maine: Only 2 states with exactly 1 2di, both being I-95.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Scott5114 on January 16, 2021, 02:57:27 AM
Post by: Scott5114 on January 16, 2021, 02:57:27 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 15, 2021, 02:40:24 PM
Arizona and California: Only states to have a section of a highway or highways where the carriageways cross over and mimic driving on the left side of the road due to the grade of a mountain pass.
I want to say Tennessee has one too, but I may be wrong. Of course carriageways cross over and you drive on the left at every diverging diamond interchange.
QuoteTexas and Missouri: Only states that extensively marks exit numbers as a tab above the gore sign, on a separate sign as opposed to on the gore sign itself. I know it shows up in a lot of states, but I have only seen it widespread in those two.I think Wyoming does this too.
Quote from: CoreySamson on January 15, 2021, 05:01:23 PM
I was going to say that Colorado and Texas were the only 2 states to refer to their state highways as SH-xx, but it turns out Idaho does too.
So does Oklahoma.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: wriddle082 on January 16, 2021, 03:57:21 AM
Post by: wriddle082 on January 16, 2021, 03:57:21 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 16, 2021, 02:57:27 AMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 15, 2021, 02:40:24 PM
Arizona and California: Only states to have a section of a highway or highways where the carriageways cross over and mimic driving on the left side of the road due to the grade of a mountain pass.
I want to say Tennessee has one too, but I may be wrong. Of course carriageways cross over and you drive on the left at every diverging diamond interchange.
I am not aware of this occuring anywhere in Tennessee, other than in GSMNP where US 441 goes in a complete circle and crosses over itself completely. But in North Carolina this happens on I-85 b/w Lexington and Thomasville, and on I-77 at the I-85 interchange in Charlotte.
QuoteQuoteTexas and Missouri: Only states that extensively marks exit numbers as a tab above the gore sign, on a separate sign as opposed to on the gore sign itself. I know it shows up in a lot of states, but I have only seen it widespread in those two.I think Wyoming does this too.
Virginia and West Virginia also do this, but only when the exit number is 3 characters or greater. So for every three-digit exit, or two-digit exit with a letter suffix. I'd call that pretty widespread.
Here is my own contribution: New York and South Carolina are the only two states that don't quite push the exit tabs on BGS's all the way to the left or the right. They account for the rounded white border of the main sign, and have them so they aren't over the curve. And I want to say Nebraska might do this as well, but I have only seen photos, and haven't been in that state in over 20 years.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Bruce on January 16, 2021, 04:22:08 AM
Post by: Bruce on January 16, 2021, 04:22:08 AM
Washington and Hawaii: Only states where signed state highways were destroyed by volcanic eruptions in living memory. In WA's case, that was State Route 504 near Mt. St. Helens in 1980 (largely taken out by the lahar) and for HI, plenty of choices on the Big Island, among them Routes 130 and 132 from lava flows in the past few years.
(I don't believe any Alaskan highways have been affected in their recent volcanic activity, and the likes of Oregon and Wyoming haven't seen violent volcanic activity in a long time.)
(I don't believe any Alaskan highways have been affected in their recent volcanic activity, and the likes of Oregon and Wyoming haven't seen violent volcanic activity in a long time.)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hotdogPi on January 16, 2021, 06:30:30 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on January 16, 2021, 06:30:30 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 16, 2021, 12:38:53 AM
Kind of surprised this one hasn't been mentioned yet:
Delaware and Maine: Only 2 states with exactly 1 2di, both being I-95.
Nobody mentioned it because Rhode Island.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Flint1979 on January 16, 2021, 07:46:06 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on January 16, 2021, 07:46:06 AM
Quote from: 1 on January 16, 2021, 06:30:30 AMIf the western I-76 didn't end 3 miles into Nebraska there'd be another state the only other 2-di being I-80.Quote from: SkyPesos on January 16, 2021, 12:38:53 AM
Kind of surprised this one hasn't been mentioned yet:
Delaware and Maine: Only 2 states with exactly 1 2di, both being I-95.
Nobody mentioned it because Rhode Island.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: oscar on January 16, 2021, 07:58:47 AM
Post by: oscar on January 16, 2021, 07:58:47 AM
Quote from: Bruce on January 16, 2021, 04:22:08 AM
Washington and Hawaii: Only states where signed state highways were destroyed by volcanic eruptions in living memory. In WA's case, that was State Route 504 near Mt. St. Helens in 1980 (largely taken out by the lahar) and for HI, plenty of choices on the Big Island, among them Routes 130 and 132 from lava flows in the past few years.
For Hawaii, 132 is a county route, as is 137 which is still partially closed. 130 definitely qualifies, with multiple closures (the most recent one has been fixed, but the ones from the 1990s mostly haven't been).
Another Hawaii highway has been trashed by lava, but the closure that comes to mind was in the 1950s, before Hawaii became a state and also before it started using (except temporarily, just on Oahu during World War II) route markers.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: bassoon1986 on January 16, 2021, 11:18:15 AM
Post by: bassoon1986 on January 16, 2021, 11:18:15 AM
Louisiana and Minnesota, the only two states with capital cities on the Mississippi River.
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Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 16, 2021, 11:23:39 AM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 16, 2021, 11:23:39 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 16, 2021, 07:46:06 AMI-29 could've been routed between Nebraska City and Sioux City via US 75 too instead of bypassing it on the east; then the state will have a N-S interstateQuote from: 1 on January 16, 2021, 06:30:30 AMIf the western I-76 didn't end 3 miles into Nebraska there'd be another state the only other 2-di being I-80.Quote from: SkyPesos on January 16, 2021, 12:38:53 AM
Kind of surprised this one hasn't been mentioned yet:
Delaware and Maine: Only 2 states with exactly 1 2di, both being I-95.
Nobody mentioned it because Rhode Island.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: EpicRoadways on January 16, 2021, 11:28:40 AM
Post by: EpicRoadways on January 16, 2021, 11:28:40 AM
Minnesota and New Jersey: The only two states that still install traffic signals on truss-arms (at least at the state level).
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 16, 2021, 11:59:43 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 16, 2021, 11:59:43 AM
Quote from: EpicRoadways on January 16, 2021, 11:28:40 AM
Minnesota and New Jersey: The only two states that still install traffic signals on truss-arms (at least at the state level).
Definitely on the county/local level in NJ still.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: TheGrassGuy on January 16, 2021, 12:18:22 PM
Post by: TheGrassGuy on January 16, 2021, 12:18:22 PM
NJ's is completely wrong.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: webny99 on January 16, 2021, 12:30:11 PM
Post by: webny99 on January 16, 2021, 12:30:11 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 15, 2021, 06:11:39 PMQuote from: hbelkins on January 15, 2021, 05:54:37 PMAlso Texas, though the region containing El Paso makes more sense to be called a "panhandle" than the Amarillo portion that is the official panhandle.Quote from: webny99 on January 14, 2021, 10:41:45 PMWest Virginia's eastern panhandle.Quote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 05:09:47 PMFlorida and Oklahoma. Is there even more than two options?
ARGUMENT TIME
Which two states' panhandles actually deserve to be called panhandles?
And I suppose Maryland. But none of Maryland, Texas or West Virginia are shaped like a pan. To me Florida is more pan-shaped - in terms of both the pan and the handle - than West Virginia.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: webny99 on January 16, 2021, 12:32:19 PM
Post by: webny99 on January 16, 2021, 12:32:19 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 15, 2021, 06:07:02 PMQuote from: 6a on January 15, 2021, 06:03:08 PM
What is a "bump" ?
Where Route A and Route B meet and swap alignments. For example, Route A comes from the north and turns east at the intersection. Route B comes from the west and turns south.
Thanks for giving the real answer before I could say "when you post to a thread that hasn't been posted to in multiple years".
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Revive 755 on January 16, 2021, 12:46:23 PM
Post by: Revive 755 on January 16, 2021, 12:46:23 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 15, 2021, 11:07:22 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 15, 2021, 02:40:24 PM
Texas and Missouri: Only states that extensively marks exit numbers as a tab above the gore sign, on a separate sign as opposed to on the gore sign itself. I know it shows up in a lot of states, but I have only seen it widespread in those two.
Does Alabama no longer do this? Used to be widespread there, but I haven't been to the state in 12 years.
Iowa used to as well.
Example on I-80 (https://goo.gl/maps/2Ms6uqT9b9FWskE1A).
Former example on I-29 (https://goo.gl/maps/vaGi1pBogySCE9FD7).
Maybe someone should make a comment for the new MUTCD asking for this practice to be fully allowed again?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: csw on January 16, 2021, 01:08:37 PM
Post by: csw on January 16, 2021, 01:08:37 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 14, 2021, 03:49:06 PMQuote from: jakeroot on January 14, 2021, 03:01:49 PM
Washington and Oregon: centered exit tabs.
I'm not aware of other states that center their exit tabs. WA uses full-width internal exit tabs*, whereas Oregon uses actual tabs mounted above the sign, but both centrally-mount the legend and, in the case of Oregon, the actual tab itself.
This used to be common practice in Missouri in the button copy era, although they no longer do so.
Older BGSs in Connecticut have centered exit tabs as well. See I-95 east of New Haven.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jakeroot on January 16, 2021, 01:33:13 PM
Post by: jakeroot on January 16, 2021, 01:33:13 PM
Quote from: csw on January 16, 2021, 01:08:37 PMQuote from: Scott5114 on January 14, 2021, 03:49:06 PMQuote from: jakeroot on January 14, 2021, 03:01:49 PM
Washington and Oregon: centered exit tabs.
I'm not aware of other states that center their exit tabs. WA uses full-width internal exit tabs*, whereas Oregon uses actual tabs mounted above the sign, but both centrally-mount the legend and, in the case of Oregon, the actual tab itself.
This used to be common practice in Missouri in the button copy era, although they no longer do so.
Older BGSs in Connecticut have centered exit tabs as well. See I-95 east of New Haven.
I had included CT in my mention of centered exit tabs upthread. I was thinking they may have been the third state still using centered exit tabs, but I found a bunch of right/left justified exit tabs at the 91/95/34 interchange that confirmed, to me, that they were no longer using them. Any idea when they stopped using them? Seems like a ton of centered exit tabs still exist around CT.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ilpt4u on January 16, 2021, 02:03:54 PM
Post by: ilpt4u on January 16, 2021, 02:03:54 PM
Quote from: bassoon1986 on January 16, 2021, 11:18:15 AMIllinois used to be in that club - and now, the 1st Illinois State capital city is on the west side of the Mississippi River: Kaskaskia (not much left on Kaskaskia Island, anymore, either)
Louisiana and Minnesota, the only two states with capital cities on the Mississippi River.
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Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ran4sh on January 16, 2021, 03:06:37 PM
Post by: ran4sh on January 16, 2021, 03:06:37 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on January 16, 2021, 03:57:21 AM
Here is my own contribution: New York and South Carolina are the only two states that don't quite push the exit tabs on BGS's all the way to the left or the right. They account for the rounded white border of the main sign, and have them so they aren't over the curve. And I want to say Nebraska might do this as well, but I have only seen photos, and haven't been in that state in over 20 years.
I had already mentioned that above, but I had no idea anyone else had noticed that practice.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jakeroot on January 16, 2021, 03:30:35 PM
Post by: jakeroot on January 16, 2021, 03:30:35 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 16, 2021, 03:06:37 PMQuote from: wriddle082 on January 16, 2021, 03:57:21 AM
Here is my own contribution: New York and South Carolina are the only two states that don't quite push the exit tabs on BGS's all the way to the left or the right. They account for the rounded white border of the main sign, and have them so they aren't over the curve. And I want to say Nebraska might do this as well, but I have only seen photos, and haven't been in that state in over 20 years.
I had already mentioned that above, but I had no idea anyone else had noticed that practice.
I didn't see that post but I'm glad someone else brought it up. I've designed more than a few fake signs in my life, and I've always enjoyed this practice of scooting the exit tab in a bit to align with the larger corner radius of the sign it's attached to. Florida and North Carolina would be two places I'd like to see adopt this practice, as they also use rounded corners like New York but float their exit tabs several inches above the sign, a bit like Oregon.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 16, 2021, 03:42:17 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 16, 2021, 03:42:17 PM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 16, 2021, 12:18:22 PM
NJ's is completely wrong.
How so?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Flint1979 on January 16, 2021, 04:10:36 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on January 16, 2021, 04:10:36 PM
Quote from: bassoon1986 on January 16, 2021, 11:18:15 AMThe slightly longer Missouri River has Jefferson City, Pierre and Bismarck. It also flows within 10 miles of Helena.
Louisiana and Minnesota, the only two states with capital cities on the Mississippi River.
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Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: BrianP on January 16, 2021, 04:29:59 PM
Post by: BrianP on January 16, 2021, 04:29:59 PM
Quote from: Caps81943 on January 14, 2021, 11:25:20 PMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
California and Vermont: Green state route shields (if we're considering states only)
South Dakota says hi.
So does (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1822341,-76.6145292,3a,75y,320.22h,80.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siKKZGCYOGK20DLw5A4PkUA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) MD (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5814386,-76.3353756,3a,75y,249.35h,70.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srQyfnSshLvuj0tgto1g9yw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). Though it is rare. And it's just for business/bypass routes.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: formulanone on January 16, 2021, 04:36:02 PM
Post by: formulanone on January 16, 2021, 04:36:02 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 15, 2021, 11:07:22 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 15, 2021, 02:40:24 PM
Texas and Missouri: Only states that extensively marks exit numbers as a tab above the gore sign, on a separate sign as opposed to on the gore sign itself. I know it shows up in a lot of states, but I have only seen it widespread in those two.
Does Alabama no longer do this? Used to be widespread there, but I haven't been to the state in 12 years.
I can only think of a handful of these remaining within Alabama, and other than Exit 3 on I-565, I'm stumped as to exactly where they're still posted.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Big John on January 16, 2021, 06:01:50 PM
Post by: Big John on January 16, 2021, 06:01:50 PM
^^ Georgia signs for SR 520 has green border.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jakeroot on January 16, 2021, 07:30:36 PM
Post by: jakeroot on January 16, 2021, 07:30:36 PM
Update to the centered exit tab WA/OR pairing:
WA is now a party of one with its centered exit tabs. Some new signs dotted around the Portland metro, much to my surprise surfing the freeways on GSV, show left and right justified exit tabs. Examples here (https://goo.gl/maps/LPDjsvPBPVi9vuQx8) and here (https://goo.gl/maps/uSGf3N6XBZrDdiSf9) (both installed within the last five years). I also checked other exits outside the Portland metro; the practice extends to multiple ODOT districts based on this exit sign in Eugene (https://goo.gl/maps/TsLsHQjjNhXughqm6). So it would seem to be a state-wide thing at this point.
So, here's a list:
States that still use centered exit tabs/justification: WA
States that have used centered exit tabs/justification but do not anymore: OR, CA, GA, CT, MO, MN (others maybe?)
WA is now a party of one with its centered exit tabs. Some new signs dotted around the Portland metro, much to my surprise surfing the freeways on GSV, show left and right justified exit tabs. Examples here (https://goo.gl/maps/LPDjsvPBPVi9vuQx8) and here (https://goo.gl/maps/uSGf3N6XBZrDdiSf9) (both installed within the last five years). I also checked other exits outside the Portland metro; the practice extends to multiple ODOT districts based on this exit sign in Eugene (https://goo.gl/maps/TsLsHQjjNhXughqm6). So it would seem to be a state-wide thing at this point.
So, here's a list:
States that still use centered exit tabs/justification: WA
States that have used centered exit tabs/justification but do not anymore: OR, CA, GA, CT, MO, MN (others maybe?)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: NoGoodNamesAvailable on January 16, 2021, 09:25:57 PM
Post by: NoGoodNamesAvailable on January 16, 2021, 09:25:57 PM
Wyoming and New York: only states to use box beam guard rail extensively
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 16, 2021, 10:30:45 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 16, 2021, 10:30:45 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 16, 2021, 07:30:36 PMWith WA's center full length exit numbers, how are left exits signed? Do they just stick a yellow "LEFT" banner left of the exit number on the full length thing?
Update to the centered exit tab WA/OR pairing:
WA is now a party of one with its centered exit tabs. Some new signs dotted around the Portland metro, much to my surprise surfing the freeways on GSV, show left and right justified exit tabs. Examples here (https://goo.gl/maps/LPDjsvPBPVi9vuQx8) and here (https://goo.gl/maps/uSGf3N6XBZrDdiSf9) (both installed within the last five years). I also checked other exits outside the Portland metro; the practice extends to multiple ODOT districts based on this exit sign in Eugene (https://goo.gl/maps/TsLsHQjjNhXughqm6). So it would seem to be a state-wide thing at this point.
So, here's a list:
States that still use centered exit tabs/justification: WA
States that have used centered exit tabs/justification but do not anymore: OR, CA, GA, CT, MO, MN (others maybe?)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: US 89 on January 16, 2021, 10:31:09 PM
Post by: US 89 on January 16, 2021, 10:31:09 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 15, 2021, 01:03:08 PM
How many states use a substantially different shield blank for post-mounts as for BGS-mounts?
Texas
New MexicoIdaho ??? sort of
others?
New Mexico definitely qualifies - the BGS mount is a simple circle while the individual shield has the Zia sun. Idaho now uses the same blank for all applications with their recent shield redesign.
Also, add South Carolina to the list.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jakeroot on January 17, 2021, 12:04:47 AM
Post by: jakeroot on January 17, 2021, 12:04:47 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 16, 2021, 10:30:45 PMQuote from: jakeroot on January 16, 2021, 07:30:36 PM
Update to the centered exit tab WA/OR pairing:
WA is now a party of one with its centered exit tabs. Some new signs dotted around the Portland metro, much to my surprise surfing the freeways on GSV, show left and right justified exit tabs. Examples here (https://goo.gl/maps/LPDjsvPBPVi9vuQx8) and here (https://goo.gl/maps/uSGf3N6XBZrDdiSf9) (both installed within the last five years). I also checked other exits outside the Portland metro; the practice extends to multiple ODOT districts based on this exit sign in Eugene (https://goo.gl/maps/TsLsHQjjNhXughqm6). So it would seem to be a state-wide thing at this point.
So, here's a list:
States that still use centered exit tabs/justification: WA
States that have used centered exit tabs/justification but do not anymore: OR, CA, GA, CT, MO, MN (others maybe?)
With WA's center full length exit numbers, how are left exits signed? Do they just stick a yellow "LEFT" banner left of the exit number on the full length thing?
Yes, it goes inside the tab. Technically centered but it usually ends up being the full width of the sign: example 1 (https://goo.gl/maps/pJh8q3yWSwydZZmA7), example 2 (https://goo.gl/maps/wry3ibbWxbhBr5eeA); for signs without exit tabs, it's just stuck on top of the sign: example 3 (https://goo.gl/maps/6yCKCHrmhTRGgbEG6); modified signs usually have the standard exit tab with a left plaque above it: example 4 (https://goo.gl/maps/zsSCbau14R8VUyaN8).
What I don't know is whether the standard design would dictate placing the left plaque over the sign rather than inside the tab, if the sign was narrow in design.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ran4sh on January 17, 2021, 03:34:06 AM
Post by: ran4sh on January 17, 2021, 03:34:06 AM
Quote from: US 89 on January 16, 2021, 10:31:09 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 15, 2021, 01:03:08 PM
How many states use a substantially different shield blank for post-mounts as for BGS-mounts?
Texas
New MexicoIdaho ??? sort of
others?
New Mexico definitely qualifies - the BGS mount is a simple circle while the individual shield has the Zia sun. Idaho now uses the same blank for all applications with their recent shield redesign.
Also, add South Carolina to the list.
I'm not sure SC belongs on that list, the route marker is supposed to be the blue-on-white version with state outline and state name for both BGS and independent use, it's just that most BGS have not been replaced to have the new marker yet.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ran4sh on January 17, 2021, 03:37:57 AM
Post by: ran4sh on January 17, 2021, 03:37:57 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 17, 2021, 12:04:47 AMQuote from: SkyPesos on January 16, 2021, 10:30:45 PM
With WA's center full length exit numbers, how are left exits signed? Do they just stick a yellow "LEFT" banner left of the exit number on the full length thing?
Yes, it goes inside the tab. Technically centered but it usually ends up being the full width of the sign: example 1 (https://goo.gl/maps/pJh8q3yWSwydZZmA7), example 2 (https://goo.gl/maps/wry3ibbWxbhBr5eeA); for signs without exit tabs, it's just stuck on top of the sign: example 3 (https://goo.gl/maps/6yCKCHrmhTRGgbEG6); modified signs usually have the standard exit tab with a left plaque above it: example 4 (https://goo.gl/maps/zsSCbau14R8VUyaN8).
What I don't know is whether the standard design would dictate placing the left plaque over the sign rather than inside the tab, if the sign was narrow in design.
WA would probably have to change that eventually, considering that FHWA has advised California that their left exits need actual left exit tabs and not just an in-sign design that mimics the appearance of a tab.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: roadman65 on January 17, 2021, 07:02:16 AM
Post by: roadman65 on January 17, 2021, 07:02:16 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 17, 2021, 03:34:06 AMQuote from: US 89 on January 16, 2021, 10:31:09 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 15, 2021, 01:03:08 PM
How many states use a substantially different shield blank for post-mounts as for BGS-mounts?
Texas
New MexicoIdaho ??? sort of
others?
New Mexico definitely qualifies - the BGS mount is a simple circle while the individual shield has the Zia sun. Idaho now uses the same blank for all applications with their recent shield redesign.
Also, add South Carolina to the list.
I'm not sure SC belongs on that list, the route marker is supposed to be the blue-on-white version with state outline and state name for both BGS and independent use, it's just that most BGS have not been replaced to have the new marker yet.
Maryland?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: US 89 on January 17, 2021, 09:21:12 AM
Post by: US 89 on January 17, 2021, 09:21:12 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 17, 2021, 03:34:06 AM
I'm not sure SC belongs on that list, the route marker is supposed to be the blue-on-white version with state outline and state name for both BGS and independent use, it's just that most BGS have not been replaced to have the new marker yet.
Where are there blue and white SC shields on BGSs? I drove a fair amount in the Greenville-Spartanburg area yesterday and don't think I saw a single one, even on signs that looked newer.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: wanderer2575 on January 17, 2021, 10:55:25 AM
Post by: wanderer2575 on January 17, 2021, 10:55:25 AM
Quote from: US 89 on January 16, 2021, 10:31:09 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 15, 2021, 01:03:08 PM
How many states use a substantially different shield blank for post-mounts as for BGS-mounts?
Texas
New MexicoIdaho ??? sort of
others?
New Mexico definitely qualifies - the BGS mount is a simple circle while the individual shield has the Zia sun. Idaho now uses the same blank for all applications with their recent shield redesign.
Also, add South Carolina to the list.
Michigan does not include the block "M" on BGS shields. You decide whether that is "substantially" different.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Mapmikey on January 17, 2021, 11:04:48 AM
Post by: Mapmikey on January 17, 2021, 11:04:48 AM
Quote from: US 89 on January 17, 2021, 09:21:12 AMQuote from: ran4sh on January 17, 2021, 03:34:06 AM
I'm not sure SC belongs on that list, the route marker is supposed to be the blue-on-white version with state outline and state name for both BGS and independent use, it's just that most BGS have not been replaced to have the new marker yet.
Where are there blue and white SC shields on BGSs? I drove a fair amount in the Greenville-Spartanburg area yesterday and don't think I saw a single one, even on signs that looked newer.
This set of BGSs has been up 10 years now with new SC shields - https://goo.gl/maps/FTXuLsWdi9rs646T9
Somewhere upthread SC was mentioned as a state that always uses 3-digit shields for state routes. Ignoring that there are still old style markers around, here are some square versions of the new shield I am aware of:
https://goo.gl/maps/L8UZrADKzM5E4gZB9
All the shields approaching/leaving this traffic circle are squares - https://goo.gl/maps/NGBKGhMF3Bg72XHj8
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Flint1979 on January 17, 2021, 12:11:40 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on January 17, 2021, 12:11:40 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 15, 2021, 01:03:08 PMWell you have this thread from awhile back that pretty much asks the same question.
How many states use a substantially different shield blank for post-mounts as for BGS-mounts?
Texas
New Mexico ??? sort of
Idaho ??? sort of
others?
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14484.0
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jakeroot on January 17, 2021, 12:38:21 PM
Post by: jakeroot on January 17, 2021, 12:38:21 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 17, 2021, 03:37:57 AMQuote from: jakeroot on January 17, 2021, 12:04:47 AMQuote from: SkyPesos on January 16, 2021, 10:30:45 PM
With WA's center full length exit numbers, how are left exits signed? Do they just stick a yellow "LEFT" banner left of the exit number on the full length thing?
Yes, it goes inside the tab. Technically centered but it usually ends up being the full width of the sign: example 1 (https://goo.gl/maps/pJh8q3yWSwydZZmA7), example 2 (https://goo.gl/maps/wry3ibbWxbhBr5eeA); for signs without exit tabs, it's just stuck on top of the sign: example 3 (https://goo.gl/maps/6yCKCHrmhTRGgbEG6); modified signs usually have the standard exit tab with a left plaque above it: example 4 (https://goo.gl/maps/zsSCbau14R8VUyaN8).
What I don't know is whether the standard design would dictate placing the left plaque over the sign rather than inside the tab, if the sign was narrow in design.
WA would probably have to change that eventually, considering that FHWA has advised California that their left exits need actual left exit tabs and not just an in-sign design that mimics the appearance of a tab.
The FHWA doesn't seem to advise WSDOT much of anything. They still continue to use black-on-white HOV/toll signage (https://goo.gl/maps/1Z6RQnMPkDmsPrXC6) well after the agency made it clear that they don't want that combination used anymore.
But yes, I suspect they'll move away from this practice eventually. SW WA already uses tabs in many locations (though it's still not universal); it would be easy enough for other WSDOT regions to adopt their standards if necessary.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 17, 2021, 01:26:09 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 17, 2021, 01:26:09 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 17, 2021, 12:38:21 PMThis brings up a possible potential new thread topic: regional DOT practices in a stateQuote from: ran4sh on January 17, 2021, 03:37:57 AMQuote from: jakeroot on January 17, 2021, 12:04:47 AMQuote from: SkyPesos on January 16, 2021, 10:30:45 PM
With WA's center full length exit numbers, how are left exits signed? Do they just stick a yellow "LEFT" banner left of the exit number on the full length thing?
Yes, it goes inside the tab. Technically centered but it usually ends up being the full width of the sign: example 1 (https://goo.gl/maps/pJh8q3yWSwydZZmA7), example 2 (https://goo.gl/maps/wry3ibbWxbhBr5eeA); for signs without exit tabs, it's just stuck on top of the sign: example 3 (https://goo.gl/maps/6yCKCHrmhTRGgbEG6); modified signs usually have the standard exit tab with a left plaque above it: example 4 (https://goo.gl/maps/zsSCbau14R8VUyaN8).
What I don't know is whether the standard design would dictate placing the left plaque over the sign rather than inside the tab, if the sign was narrow in design.
WA would probably have to change that eventually, considering that FHWA has advised California that their left exits need actual left exit tabs and not just an in-sign design that mimics the appearance of a tab.
The FHWA doesn't seem to advise WSDOT much of anything. They still continue to use black-on-white HOV/toll signage (https://goo.gl/maps/1Z6RQnMPkDmsPrXC6) well after the agency made it clear that they don't want that combination used anymore.
But yes, I suspect they'll move away from this practice eventually. SW WA already uses tabs in many locations (though it's still not universal); it would be easy enough for other WSDOT regions to adopt their standards if necessary.
Like for example, even though Ohio mostly uses tabbed exits since day 1, the Columbus district had IDOT style full length exit tabs (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9785485,-82.9763382,3a,75.4y,286.77h,97.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCPMcYn3ycvBqNAp2tzm4Hg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) until about 5 years ago.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: briantroutman on January 17, 2021, 01:29:39 PM
Post by: briantroutman on January 17, 2021, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: plain on January 15, 2021, 12:54:24 PM
CA and VA: only states with both mountain tunnels and underwater tunnels for vehicles
I assume by "vehicles" you really meant "motor vehicles" ; otherwise, what other underwater tunnels are left–underwater pedestrian tunnels (like at Sea World (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4e/06/89/4e0689a1e03b77a10dc663ab0087759e.jpg))?
But if we stick with "vehicle" , Pennsylvania has underwater tunnels used by vehicles, both the tunnel under the Schuylkill River in Philadelphia carrying SEPTA's Market-Frankford subway line as well as multiple underground trolley lines, and the more recent tunnel under the Allegheny River used by PAT light rail to connect to Pittsburgh sports and entertainment complex on the North Shore.
That's of course in addition to numerous through-mountain tunnels for cars, trains, light rail...even boats (https://visitlebanonvalley.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/union-canal-tunnel-park.jpg).
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 17, 2021, 02:40:50 PM
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 17, 2021, 02:40:50 PM
Quote from: wriddle082 on January 16, 2021, 03:57:21 AMQuoteTexas and Missouri: Only states that extensively marks exit numbers as a tab above the gore sign, on a separate sign as opposed to on the gore sign itself. I know it shows up in a lot of states, but I have only seen it widespread in those two.I think Wyoming does this too.
Quote from: wriddle082 on January 16, 2021, 03:57:21 AM
Virginia and West Virginia also do this, but only when the exit number is 3 characters or greater. So for every three-digit exit, or two-digit exit with a letter suffix. I'd call that pretty widespread.
Here is my own contribution: New York and South Carolina are the only two states that don't quite push the exit tabs on BGS's all the way to the left or the right. They account for the rounded white border of the main sign, and have them so they aren't over the curve. And I want to say Nebraska might do this as well, but I have only seen photos, and haven't been in that state in over 20 years.
This is why the key word "extensively was used. I am aware many states do this, there is one in New Orleans, but these were the only two states where it was the norm, not the exception. I know Texas doesn't use this practice anymore for new assemblies, but there are still a large amount of tabbed gore signs. Until ten years ago, there were no numbers on gore signs in Texas.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: StogieGuy7 on January 18, 2021, 04:05:02 PM
Post by: StogieGuy7 on January 18, 2021, 04:05:02 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Michigan and Kansas: State route abbreviations are M- and K- instead of MI and KS
You forgot Utah. State highways are still referred to as "U-10" or "U-229" - dating back from the days when the state highway badge was literally a letter U.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: StogieGuy7 on January 18, 2021, 04:19:32 PM
Post by: StogieGuy7 on January 18, 2021, 04:19:32 PM
Quote from: US 89 on January 17, 2021, 09:21:12 AMQuote from: ran4sh on January 17, 2021, 03:34:06 AM
I'm not sure SC belongs on that list, the route marker is supposed to be the blue-on-white version with state outline and state name for both BGS and independent use, it's just that most BGS have not been replaced to have the new marker yet.
Where are there blue and white SC shields on BGSs? I drove a fair amount in the Greenville-Spartanburg area yesterday and don't think I saw a single one, even on signs that looked newer.
There are lots of them! Including this one near Gaffney - which is between Spartanburg and the NC border.
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1102525,-81.5986996,3a,75y,243.39h,90.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skBLIDNnTdsw83tdNHQWMvA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1102525,-81.5986996,3a,75y,243.39h,90.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skBLIDNnTdsw83tdNHQWMvA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 18, 2021, 04:32:55 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 18, 2021, 04:32:55 PM
Minnesota and Wisconsin: state highways are indexed as Trunk Highways (TH in Minnesota, STH/CTH in Wisconsin). Michigan calls them "trunkline highways" but abbreviates them as M-.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 04:45:43 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 04:45:43 PM
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on January 18, 2021, 04:05:02 PMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Michigan and Kansas: State route abbreviations are M- and K- instead of MI and KS
You forgot Utah. State highways are still referred to as "U-10" or "U-229" - dating back from the days when the state highway badge was literally a letter U.
I got a speeding ticket years ago here in Kansas, and the officer abbreviated the location as U 400 (US-400).
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 04:49:24 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 04:49:24 PM
I don't know how each state exactly call its state routes, but I've seen state abbreviations (CA, IL, etc), SR for State Route, SH for State Highway, C for Colorado, K for Kansas and M for Michigan.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 04:58:45 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 04:58:45 PM
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on January 18, 2021, 04:05:02 PMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Michigan and Kansas: State route abbreviations are M- and K- instead of MI and KS
You forgot Utah. State highways are still referred to as "U-10" or "U-229" - dating back from the days when the state highway badge was literally a letter U.
I have a childhood memory of seeing SR ### used on a mileage sign in Utah. Is that not the practice there?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: cl94 on January 18, 2021, 05:46:25 PM
Post by: cl94 on January 18, 2021, 05:46:25 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 04:58:45 PMQuote from: StogieGuy7 on January 18, 2021, 04:05:02 PMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Michigan and Kansas: State route abbreviations are M- and K- instead of MI and KS
You forgot Utah. State highways are still referred to as "U-10" or "U-229" - dating back from the days when the state highway badge was literally a letter U.
I have a childhood memory of seeing SR ### used on a mileage sign in Utah. Is that not the practice there?
Utah uses "SR-XX". "U-XX" is a roadgeek urban legend that has not been used by "normal people" in several decades.
But the original point remains incorrect because there is a third state (not Utah). Nebraska uses "N-XX", "L-XX", "S-XX", and "R-XX" for state highways, links, spurs, and recreation roads.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: US 89 on January 18, 2021, 06:59:34 PM
Post by: US 89 on January 18, 2021, 06:59:34 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 18, 2021, 05:46:25 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 04:58:45 PMQuote from: StogieGuy7 on January 18, 2021, 04:05:02 PM
You forgot Utah. State highways are still referred to as "U-10" or "U-229" - dating back from the days when the state highway badge was literally a letter U.
I have a childhood memory of seeing SR ### used on a mileage sign in Utah. Is that not the practice there?
Utah uses "SR-XX". "U-XX" is a roadgeek urban legend that has not been used by "normal people" in several decades.
Or "SR XX". I've noticed a trend in recent signage towards leaving out the dash after US and SR, but this is inconsistent and I'm not sure which is official now. Hell, even UDOT's own website is inconsistent.
You may still see a handful of straggler "U" signs such as on old street blades (https://goo.gl/maps/rzzCY32bancBU8jg8) or forest service signage (https://i.imgur.com/RESLRdY.jpg), but the "U" prefix has not been used since probably the 1960s or 1970s at the latest. (Note that the forest service sign linked above refers to a route segment that was decommissioned in 1969, so it's not like they were too interested in updating their sign content.)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 07:13:22 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 07:13:22 PM
Quote from: US 89 on January 18, 2021, 06:59:34 PMOn a related note, I've seen DOT documents abbreviate interstate highways as "IH XX" instead of "I-XX" beforeQuote from: cl94 on January 18, 2021, 05:46:25 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 04:58:45 PMQuote from: StogieGuy7 on January 18, 2021, 04:05:02 PM
You forgot Utah. State highways are still referred to as "U-10" or "U-229" - dating back from the days when the state highway badge was literally a letter U.
I have a childhood memory of seeing SR ### used on a mileage sign in Utah. Is that not the practice there?
Utah uses "SR-XX". "U-XX" is a roadgeek urban legend that has not been used by "normal people" in several decades.
Or "SR XX". I've noticed a trend in recent signage towards leaving out the dash after US and SR, but this is inconsistent and I'm not sure which is official now. Hell, even UDOT's own website is inconsistent.
You may still see a handful of straggler "U" signs such as on old street blades (https://goo.gl/maps/rzzCY32bancBU8jg8) or forest service signage (https://i.imgur.com/RESLRdY.jpg), but the "U" prefix has not been used since probably the 1960s or 1970s at the latest. (Note that the forest service sign linked above refers to a route segment that was decommissioned in 1969, so it's not like they were too interested in updating their sign content.)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hotdogPi on January 18, 2021, 07:13:44 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on January 18, 2021, 07:13:44 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 07:13:22 PM
On a related note, I've seen DOT documents abbreviate interstate highways as "IH XX" instead of "I-XX" before
That's Texas and only Texas, unless you're counting Hawaii's Interstates where H is actually part of the designation.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: JayhawkCO on January 18, 2021, 07:22:59 PM
Post by: JayhawkCO on January 18, 2021, 07:22:59 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 04:49:24 PM
I don't know how each state exactly call its state routes, but I've seen state abbreviations (CA, IL, etc), SR for State Route, SH for State Highway, C for Colorado, K for Kansas and M for Michigan.
I've never seen 'C' anywhere here. Official or not.
Chris
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Scott5114 on January 18, 2021, 07:23:31 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on January 18, 2021, 07:23:31 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 18, 2021, 05:46:25 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 04:58:45 PMQuote from: StogieGuy7 on January 18, 2021, 04:05:02 PMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Michigan and Kansas: State route abbreviations are M- and K- instead of MI and KS
You forgot Utah. State highways are still referred to as "U-10" or "U-229" - dating back from the days when the state highway badge was literally a letter U.
I have a childhood memory of seeing SR ### used on a mileage sign in Utah. Is that not the practice there?
Utah uses "SR-XX". "U-XX" is a roadgeek urban legend that has not been used by "normal people" in several decades.
But the original point remains incorrect because there is a third state (not Utah). Nebraska uses "N-XX", "L-XX", "S-XX", and "R-XX" for state highways, links, spurs, and recreation roads.
Nebraska highways are officially "Nebraska Highway X". "N-" is an abbreviation of this.
K- and M- are not officially abbreviations for anything–"K-32" is the entire name of the highway.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 07:28:05 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 07:28:05 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on January 18, 2021, 07:22:59 PMProbably exclusive to 470 then. That's the first place where I heard of the 'C'Quote from: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 04:49:24 PM
I don't know how each state exactly call its state routes, but I've seen state abbreviations (CA, IL, etc), SR for State Route, SH for State Highway, C for Colorado, K for Kansas and M for Michigan.
I've never seen 'C' anywhere here. Official or not.
Chris
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: US 89 on January 18, 2021, 07:30:47 PM
Post by: US 89 on January 18, 2021, 07:30:47 PM
^ Yeah, "C-470" is common usage both on signage (VMS in particular) and in common language, but that's really the only one. I've never seen or heard C-xx for any other state route in Colorado - always "SH xx" instead.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: oscar on January 18, 2021, 07:50:47 PM
Post by: oscar on January 18, 2021, 07:50:47 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 18, 2021, 07:13:44 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 07:13:22 PM
On a related note, I've seen DOT documents abbreviate interstate highways as "IH XX" instead of "I-XX" before
That's Texas and only Texas, unless you're counting Hawaii's Interstates where H is actually part of the designation.
If such an I- abbreviation were ever used in Hawaii (I doubt it ever has been), it would be "I-Hxxx" rather than "IH-xxx". Local preference would be to use the abbreviation "H-xxx" (in theory, per FHWA (https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/hawaii.cfm), "H-" is supposed to replace "I-" as the prefix, for Hawaii's Interstate subsystem). Or, better still, just use the route name rather than the number as is done with Hawaii's non-Interstate routes, considering that Hawaiians just aren't that into route numbers, and for a long time did without them.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 07:53:13 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 07:53:13 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 07:13:22 PM
I've seen DOT documents abbreviate interstate highways as "IH XX" instead of "I-XX" before
Anywhere other than Texas??
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: formulanone on January 18, 2021, 08:00:52 PM
Post by: formulanone on January 18, 2021, 08:00:52 PM
Quote from: US 89 on January 18, 2021, 07:30:47 PM
^ Yeah, "C-470" is common usage both on signage (VMS in particular) and in common language, but that's really the only one. I've never seen or heard C-xx for any other state route in Colorado - always "SH xx" instead.
I thought it was "E-470", because that's exactly what's on the signs. Are both in common usage?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 08:02:32 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 08:02:32 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 07:53:13 PMNot "IH", but Ohio uses "IR" on its AADT tracker. Example:Quote from: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 07:13:22 PM
I've seen DOT documents abbreviate interstate highways as "IH XX" instead of "I-XX" before
Anywhere other than Texas??
(https://i.imgur.com/cbbRuGu.png?1)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hotdogPi on January 18, 2021, 08:08:00 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on January 18, 2021, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 08:02:32 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 07:53:13 PMNot "IH", but Ohio uses "IR" on its AADT tracker. Example:Quote from: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 07:13:22 PM
I've seen DOT documents abbreviate interstate highways as "IH XX" instead of "I-XX" before
Anywhere other than Texas??
(https://i.imgur.com/cbbRuGu.png?1)
Are you sure that's not Interstate Ramp?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 08:09:57 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 08:09:57 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 18, 2021, 08:00:52 PMQuote from: US 89 on January 18, 2021, 07:30:47 PM
^ Yeah, "C-470" is common usage both on signage (VMS in particular) and in common language, but that's really the only one. I've never seen or heard C-xx for any other state route in Colorado - always "SH xx" instead.
I thought it was "E-470", because that's exactly what's on the signs. Are both in common usage?
E-470 is a tolled extension of C-470, and is administered by the E-470 Public Highway Authority agency/commission/sort-of-government-type-thing.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 08:11:12 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 08:11:12 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 18, 2021, 08:08:00 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 08:02:32 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 07:53:13 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 07:13:22 PM
I've seen DOT documents abbreviate interstate highways as "IH XX" instead of "I-XX" before
Anywhere other than Texas??
Not "IH", but Ohio uses "IR" on its AADT tracker. Example:
(https://i.imgur.com/cbbRuGu.png?1)
Are you sure that's not Interstate Ramp?
That's one heck of a busy ramp!
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hotdogPi on January 18, 2021, 08:13:44 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on January 18, 2021, 08:13:44 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 08:11:12 PMQuote from: 1 on January 18, 2021, 08:08:00 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 08:02:32 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 07:53:13 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 07:13:22 PM
I've seen DOT documents abbreviate interstate highways as "IH XX" instead of "I-XX" before
Anywhere other than Texas??
Not "IH", but Ohio uses "IR" on its AADT tracker. Example:
(https://i.imgur.com/cbbRuGu.png?1)
Are you sure that's not Interstate Ramp?
That's one heck of a busy ramp!
Looking at a map, it could refer to this ramp (https://goo.gl/maps/wiXy4RmYqsdhbVvh9). It's mainline US 50.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 08:16:04 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 08:16:04 PM
But yes, ODOT definitely uses that designation for mainline AADTs.
Here's another, more obvious example:
(https://i.imgur.com/EF3r3pw.png)
Here's another, more obvious example:
(https://i.imgur.com/EF3r3pw.png)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 08:20:22 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 08:20:22 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 18, 2021, 08:13:44 PM(https://i.imgur.com/SCHWfyV.png)Quote from: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 08:11:12 PMQuote from: 1 on January 18, 2021, 08:08:00 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 08:02:32 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 07:53:13 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 07:13:22 PM
I've seen DOT documents abbreviate interstate highways as "IH XX" instead of "I-XX" before
Anywhere other than Texas??
Not "IH", but Ohio uses "IR" on its AADT tracker. Example:
(https://i.imgur.com/cbbRuGu.png?1)
Are you sure that's not Interstate Ramp?
That's one heck of a busy ramp!
Looking at a map, it could refer to this ramp (https://goo.gl/maps/wiXy4RmYqsdhbVvh9). It's mainline US 50.
The red circle is the location of the previous screenshot, which is not a ramp
For ramps, it'll mention that it's a ramp in "Direction:".
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: skluth on January 18, 2021, 09:01:19 PM
Post by: skluth on January 18, 2021, 09:01:19 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AMSome may disagree about pointless, but this is my favorite
Wyoming and Illinois: Have a pointless I-180
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 09:17:23 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 09:17:23 PM
CA and NM: do not have a river border with Mexico
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 09:20:15 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 09:20:15 PM
I haven't looked at the pertinent laws in quite some time, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong:
OR and MO: pedestrians not prohibited on Interstate highways.
(I'm not counting AK.)
OR and MO: pedestrians not prohibited on Interstate highways.
(I'm not counting AK.)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: skluth on January 18, 2021, 09:31:30 PM
Post by: skluth on January 18, 2021, 09:31:30 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 09:17:23 PMNeither do 46 other states. Only AZ and TX have a river border with Mexico.
CA and NM: do not have a river border with Mexico
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: US 89 on January 18, 2021, 09:38:45 PM
Post by: US 89 on January 18, 2021, 09:38:45 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 08:09:57 PMQuote from: formulanone on January 18, 2021, 08:00:52 PMQuote from: US 89 on January 18, 2021, 07:30:47 PM
^ Yeah, "C-470" is common usage both on signage (VMS in particular) and in common language, but that's really the only one. I've never seen or heard C-xx for any other state route in Colorado - always "SH xx" instead.
I thought it was "E-470", because that's exactly what's on the signs. Are both in common usage?
E-470 is a tolled extension of C-470, and is administered by the E-470 Public Highway Authority agency/commission/sort-of-government-type-thing.
Correct. C-470 specifically refers to the free southwest quadrant of the beltway, which is a regular state highway that runs from US 6 to I-25. E-470 is only the tolled beltway east of I-25.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Revive 755 on January 18, 2021, 10:33:35 PM
Post by: Revive 755 on January 18, 2021, 10:33:35 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 18, 2021, 07:13:44 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 07:13:22 PM
On a related note, I've seen DOT documents abbreviate interstate highways as "IH XX" instead of "I-XX" before
That's Texas and only Texas, unless you're counting Hawaii's Interstates where H is actually part of the designation.
Could have sworn that I saw the IH abbreviation on a sign or message board in Wisconsin.
EDIT:
Quote from: formulanone on January 15, 2021, 09:27:58 AMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Florida and Indiana: A strict grid numbering system
I think they're also the only two states which officially use "State Road" instead of State Highway or State Route. Could be wrong about this, but I can't find the specific thread where we discussed how DOTs officially named their state inventory.
Mississippi also has a grid that's about as strict as Florida's, except for two (10 and 20) which were re-numbered for Interstates.
South Dakota also appears to have a grid numbering pattern.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: cl94 on January 18, 2021, 10:35:50 PM
Post by: cl94 on January 18, 2021, 10:35:50 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on January 18, 2021, 10:33:35 PMQuote from: 1 on January 18, 2021, 07:13:44 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on January 18, 2021, 07:13:22 PM
On a related note, I've seen DOT documents abbreviate interstate highways as "IH XX" instead of "I-XX" before
That's Texas and only Texas, unless you're counting Hawaii's Interstates where H is actually part of the designation.
Could have sworn that I saw the IH abbreviation on a sign or message board in Wisconsin.
Wisconsin would call everything "highway X" with no prefix.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: bassoon1986 on January 18, 2021, 10:37:07 PM
Post by: bassoon1986 on January 18, 2021, 10:37:07 PM
Tennessee and Georgia
The only two states that have three I-x5's
Arkansas and Ohio
The only two states with 7 as their longest highway.
Connecticut and Mississippi
The only two states with 15 as their longest highway.
iPhone
The only two states that have three I-x5's
Arkansas and Ohio
The only two states with 7 as their longest highway.
Connecticut and Mississippi
The only two states with 15 as their longest highway.
iPhone
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Bruce on January 19, 2021, 03:06:09 AM
Post by: Bruce on January 19, 2021, 03:06:09 AM
Washington and California: Have unique I-x05s (I-705 and I-305/505/605/805, respectively). Oregon does not have a unique number.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 19, 2021, 07:06:38 AM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 19, 2021, 07:06:38 AM
Quote from: Bruce on January 19, 2021, 03:06:09 AMGeorgia and Florida: Have unique I-x75s (I-575 and I-175 respectively). The other x75 numbers used are I-275 (5/6 states), I-375 (2/6), I-475 (3/6) and I-675 (3/6).
Washington and California: Have unique I-x05s (I-705 and I-305/505/605/805, respectively). Oregon does not have a unique number.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 19, 2021, 10:22:41 AM
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 19, 2021, 10:22:41 AM
Texas and Arizona: Only states with a single digit interstate and an interstate ending in 7.
Also, only states with at least 2 intrastate two digit interstates that are built completely to plan.
Also, only states with at least 2 intrastate two digit interstates that are built completely to plan.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Henry on January 19, 2021, 10:33:35 AM
Post by: Henry on January 19, 2021, 10:33:35 AM
WI and NC: 2di and 2dus of the same number using the same general routing
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 19, 2021, 10:45:51 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 19, 2021, 10:45:51 AM
Quote from: US 89 on January 15, 2021, 10:07:26 AMQuote from: formulanone on January 15, 2021, 09:27:58 AMQuote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Florida and Indiana: A strict grid numbering system
I think they're also the only two states which officially use "State Road" instead of State Highway or State Route. Could be wrong about this, but I can't find the specific thread where we discussed how DOTs officially named their state inventory.
I think New Mexico is also a "state road" state.Quote from: roadman65 on January 15, 2021, 09:46:53 AM
GA and TN actually sign hidden state routes on US Highways.
TN does not. GA does very reliably, to the point that in multiple cases the state route number is the local name for the road rather than the US number. GA 365 instead of US 23, GA 400 instead of US 19, etc...
SR 6 is signed along US 31E on the Ellington Pkwy section. Also the SR number is posted on the MM signs as well.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 19, 2021, 10:48:04 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 19, 2021, 10:48:04 AM
Quote from: kphoger on January 15, 2021, 01:03:08 PM
How many states use a substantially different shield blank for post-mounts as for BGS-mounts?
Texas
New Mexico ??? sort of
Idaho ??? sort of
others?
Once upon a time Florida used a substantially different SR sign on the BGS back in the Button Copy days. Actually there were two versions.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 19, 2021, 10:49:29 AM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 19, 2021, 10:49:29 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 15, 2021, 09:46:53 AMI don't mind GA signing its hidden state on its interstates too. Nothing wrong with an Ontario v2 freeway system ;)
GA and TN actually sign hidden state routes on US Highways.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 19, 2021, 10:50:45 AM
Post by: Avalanchez71 on January 19, 2021, 10:50:45 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 16, 2021, 02:57:27 AMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 15, 2021, 02:40:24 PMI-840 exit to I-65 does this.
Arizona and California: Only states to have a section of a highway or highways where the carriageways cross over and mimic driving on the left side of the road due to the grade of a mountain pass.
I want to say Tennessee has one too, but I may be wrong. Of course carriageways cross over and you drive on the left at every diverging diamond interchange.QuoteTexas and Missouri: Only states that extensively marks exit numbers as a tab above the gore sign, on a separate sign as opposed to on the gore sign itself. I know it shows up in a lot of states, but I have only seen it widespread in those two.I think Wyoming does this too.Quote from: CoreySamson on January 15, 2021, 05:01:23 PM
I was going to say that Colorado and Texas were the only 2 states to refer to their state highways as SH-xx, but it turns out Idaho does too.
So does Oklahoma.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: X99 on January 19, 2021, 11:26:34 AM
Post by: X99 on January 19, 2021, 11:26:34 AM
Probably wrong on this, but:
Nevada and South Dakota: only two states with two massively separated population centers.
Nevada and South Dakota: only two states with two massively separated population centers.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 19, 2021, 11:32:32 AM
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 19, 2021, 11:32:32 AM
California and New Jersey: Only states with something consistently different about how they sign US highways. New Jersey always has the black outline on BGSs and California has their unique US highway cutout shield.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hotdogPi on January 19, 2021, 11:37:10 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on January 19, 2021, 11:37:10 AM
Quote from: X99 on January 19, 2021, 11:26:34 AM
Probably wrong on this, but:
Nevada and South Dakota: only two states with two massively separated population centers.
Missouri
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 19, 2021, 11:59:37 AM
Post by: kphoger on January 19, 2021, 11:59:37 AM
Quote from: skluth on January 18, 2021, 09:31:30 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 09:17:23 PM
CA and NM: do not have a river border with Mexico
Neither do 46 other states. Only AZ and TX have a river border with Mexico.
Dang it! I kept telling thinking I had typed that wrong, then I kept telling myself it was actually correct the way it was. The fact that it's a 2/2 split made it confusing for some reason.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: webny99 on January 19, 2021, 12:08:52 PM
Post by: webny99 on January 19, 2021, 12:08:52 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 19, 2021, 11:59:37 AMQuote from: skluth on January 18, 2021, 09:31:30 PMDang it! I kept telling thinking I had typed that wrong, then I kept telling myself it was actually correct the way it was. The fact that it's a 2/2 split made it confusing for some reason.Quote from: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 09:17:23 PMNeither do 46 other states. Only AZ and TX have a river border with Mexico.
CA and NM: do not have a river border with Mexico
It could still fit the thread if you said they're the only states with a land-only Mexican border... but it doesn't sound quite as impressive that way.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Mapmikey on January 19, 2021, 01:01:43 PM
Post by: Mapmikey on January 19, 2021, 01:01:43 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 19, 2021, 10:22:41 AM
Also, only states with at least 2 intrastate two digit interstates that are built completely to plan.
I-87 and I-88 in New York say hello...
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: StogieGuy7 on January 19, 2021, 01:04:29 PM
Post by: StogieGuy7 on January 19, 2021, 01:04:29 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 18, 2021, 05:46:25 PM
Utah uses "SR-XX". "U-XX" is a roadgeek urban legend that has not been used by "normal people" in several decades.
But the original point remains incorrect because there is a third state (not Utah). Nebraska uses "N-XX", "L-XX", "S-XX", and "R-XX" for state highways, links, spurs, and recreation roads.
Define "normal people" please. That's a but rude. Yes, apparently the use of "U-XX" is now limited to old timers and rural residents. When I lived there (1985-97), hardly anyone was using SR-XX and in fact tended to refer to a state highway as a state highway. Things change - and clearly now the SR-XX identifier is now what is in use. But they did go by U-XX for many years. A quick search turned up this example: "Ferron, Utah is located on U-10 at the mouth of Ferron Canyon, ten miles southwest of Castle Dale. It was named to honor A.D. Ferron, pioneer surveyor of Castle Valley, Emery, and Carbon counties."
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Scott5114 on January 19, 2021, 02:19:37 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on January 19, 2021, 02:19:37 PM
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on January 19, 2021, 01:04:29 PM
Define "normal people" please. That's a but rude.
If you post on this forum you're abnormal. Them's the breaks.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 19, 2021, 02:21:39 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 19, 2021, 02:21:39 PM
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on January 19, 2021, 01:04:29 PMQuote from: cl94 on January 18, 2021, 05:46:25 PM
Utah uses "SR-XX". "U-XX" is a roadgeek urban legend that has not been used by "normal people" in several decades.
Define "normal people" please. That's a but rude.
Oh, come on. We roadgeeks are not normal. I have a feeling most of us on here would be the first to admit that.
Normal people don't have online discussions about official DOT terminology.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: roadman65 on January 19, 2021, 02:28:37 PM
Post by: roadman65 on January 19, 2021, 02:28:37 PM
I know NJ calls all Designations "Route" regardlessly. So I-80 is "Route 80" and US 22 is " Route 22" and NJ 27 is Route 27.
Is there a second?
Is there a second?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: JCinSummerfield on January 19, 2021, 02:31:06 PM
Post by: JCinSummerfield on January 19, 2021, 02:31:06 PM
IL & MN - 2 states that have a water only boundary with Michigan.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: cl94 on January 19, 2021, 02:31:34 PM
Post by: cl94 on January 19, 2021, 02:31:34 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 19, 2021, 01:01:43 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 link=topic=28326.msg2564332#msg2564332 date
Also, only states with at least 2 intrastate two digit interstates that are built completely to plan.
/quote]
I-87 and I-88 in New York say hello...
Incorrect. I-88 was not built to plan. It was supposed to extend east to at least Troy, possibly into Vermont. NY had the extension to Troy on the books as late as the early 90s.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 19, 2021, 02:39:28 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 19, 2021, 02:39:28 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 19, 2021, 02:31:34 PMQuote from: Mapmikey on January 19, 2021, 01:01:43 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 19, 2021, 10:22:41 AM
Also, only states with at least 2 intrastate two digit interstates that are built completely to plan.
I-87 and I-88 in New York say hello...
Incorrect. I-88 was not built to plan. It was supposed to extend east to at least Troy, possibly into Vermont. NY had the extension to Troy on the books as late as the early 90s.
OK, it was about time someone fixed this quote string!
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 19, 2021, 02:43:22 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 19, 2021, 02:43:22 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 19, 2021, 11:37:10 AMQuote from: X99 on January 19, 2021, 11:26:34 AM
Probably wrong on this, but:
Nevada and South Dakota: only two states with two massively separated population centers.
Missouri
Washington, North Dakota
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 19, 2021, 02:55:26 PM
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 19, 2021, 02:55:26 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 19, 2021, 02:19:37 PMQuote from: StogieGuy7 on January 19, 2021, 01:04:29 PM
Define "normal people" please. That's a but rude.
If you post on this forum you're abnormal. Them's the breaks.
Word
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jakeroot on January 19, 2021, 04:41:31 PM
Post by: jakeroot on January 19, 2021, 04:41:31 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 19, 2021, 02:43:22 PMQuote from: 1 on January 19, 2021, 11:37:10 AMQuote from: X99 on January 19, 2021, 11:26:34 AM
Probably wrong on this, but:
Nevada and South Dakota: only two states with two massively separated population centers.
Missouri
Washington, North Dakota
I don't think WA would count. Clark County, down in the southwest part of the state (containing Vancouver), is not substantially smaller than Spokane County nor the Spokane metro area. If you look at the Portland/Vancouver metro area as a whole, it obviously dwarfs Spokane.
If I were to name WA's big population centers, I would list Seattle, Spokane, and Vancouver.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hbelkins on January 19, 2021, 05:02:04 PM
Post by: hbelkins on January 19, 2021, 05:02:04 PM
"U" is how Tom From Ohio abbreviated "US" in his infamous rants.
His "DUAAFAFO" screeds always ended with a line similar to this:
Also. U-23 = I-875?
His "DUAAFAFO" screeds always ended with a line similar to this:
Also. U-23 = I-875?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: X99 on January 19, 2021, 07:09:53 PM
Post by: X99 on January 19, 2021, 07:09:53 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 19, 2021, 04:41:31 PMI can take out North Dakota as well by saying it has four population centers: Fargo, Grand Forks, Bismarck, and Minot. The latter three of those are close enough in population and far enough apart to count as separate in my eyes.Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 19, 2021, 02:43:22 PMQuote from: 1 on January 19, 2021, 11:37:10 AMQuote from: X99 on January 19, 2021, 11:26:34 AM
Probably wrong on this, but:
Nevada and South Dakota: only two states with two massively separated population centers.
Missouri
Washington, North Dakota
I don't think WA would count. Clark County, down in the southwest part of the state (containing Vancouver), is not substantially smaller than Spokane County nor the Spokane metro area. If you look at the Portland/Vancouver metro area as a whole, it obviously dwarfs Spokane.
If I were to name WA's big population centers, I would list Seattle, Spokane, and Vancouver.
Missouri is a little harder, but one could claim that Springfield/Joplin and Columbia/Jefferson City count as separate population areas, despite both regions having a much lower population than St Louis and Kansas City.
With that, I can update my original claim for Nevada and South Dakota: only two states with two massively separated population centers, and almost nothing in between.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 19, 2021, 07:20:30 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 19, 2021, 07:20:30 PM
It comes down to perception though. To me I only think of Seattle and Spokane in WA, KC and STL in MO, etc. A local will obviously have a different and more informed view of what constitutes a population center worthy of mention.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: cl94 on January 19, 2021, 07:32:49 PM
Post by: cl94 on January 19, 2021, 07:32:49 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 19, 2021, 02:19:37 PMQuote from: StogieGuy7 on January 19, 2021, 01:04:29 PM
Define "normal people" please. That's a but rude.
If you post on this forum you're abnormal. Them's the breaks.
Ding ding ding! Normal people don't post on a roads forum. We're all abnormal. Not saying there's a problem with that.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jakeroot on January 19, 2021, 08:06:23 PM
Post by: jakeroot on January 19, 2021, 08:06:23 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 19, 2021, 07:20:30 PM
It comes down to perception though.
Perception to help drive the research, sure. But at least for WA, you cannot just pretend that Vancouver (well, Clark County) doesn't exist.
Quote from: X99 on January 19, 2021, 07:09:53 PM
With that, I can update my original claim for Nevada and South Dakota: only two states with two massively separated population centers, and almost nothing in between.
That would fit WA, definitely: Seattle, massive gap, Spokane. But since Seattle is at the two ends of major interstates, you also have to go south from Seattle. By doing so, you hit Clark County at the very southern edge of the state, which is in itself very large and part of an even larger metro area. WA is basically a triangle of metro areas.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: roadman65 on January 19, 2021, 08:17:49 PM
Post by: roadman65 on January 19, 2021, 08:17:49 PM
Kansas and New York both have a Main Street toll road that starts as N-S and ends E-W. Both have its main parts in both directions different two digits interstates and both serve the largest cities and state capitals.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: US 89 on January 19, 2021, 09:03:08 PM
Post by: US 89 on January 19, 2021, 09:03:08 PM
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on January 19, 2021, 01:04:29 PM
Define "normal people" please. That's a but rude. Yes, apparently the use of "U-XX" is now limited to old timers and rural residents. When I lived there (1985-97), hardly anyone was using SR-XX and in fact tended to refer to a state highway as a state highway. Things change - and clearly now the SR-XX identifier is now what is in use. But they did go by U-XX for many years. A quick search turned up this example: "Ferron, Utah is located on U-10 at the mouth of Ferron Canyon, ten miles southwest of Castle Dale. It was named to honor A.D. Ferron, pioneer surveyor of Castle Valley, Emery, and Carbon counties."
Nobody is disputing that U-xx was used historically.
By the way, that quote is from a 1990 Utah place name guide written by a John Van Cott, who was born in 1911 ... which doesn't really make him a strong candidate to switch to a SR style given he predated the entire concept of numbered state highways in Utah.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 19, 2021, 09:10:29 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 19, 2021, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 19, 2021, 08:06:23 PMQuote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 19, 2021, 07:20:30 PM
It comes down to perception though.
Perception to help drive the research, sure. But at least for WA, you cannot just pretend that Vancouver (well, Clark County) doesn't exist.
I didn't say it didn't matter or exist. But it's also part of the Portland metro, so to act like it's common national knowledge and only dummies wouldn't think of it or include it as a major WA population center is disingenuous. I was wrong. You made your point.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jakeroot on January 19, 2021, 11:04:44 PM
Post by: jakeroot on January 19, 2021, 11:04:44 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 19, 2021, 09:10:29 PMQuote from: jakeroot on January 19, 2021, 08:06:23 PMQuote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 19, 2021, 07:20:30 PM
It comes down to perception though.
Perception to help drive the research, sure. But at least for WA, you cannot just pretend that Vancouver (well, Clark County) doesn't exist.
I didn't say it didn't matter or exist. But it's also part of the Portland metro, so to act like it's common national knowledge and only dummies wouldn't think of it or include it as a major WA population center is disingenuous. I was wrong. You made your point.
I wasn't trying to say you were wrong. I think WA is a good example of a state where there are at least two major population centers separated by little else. But I guess I thought it was fairly well known that the Portland metro area was made up of both OR and WA, and that the WA bit wasn't just a few small suburbs.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: GenExpwy on January 20, 2021, 06:14:18 AM
Post by: GenExpwy on January 20, 2021, 06:14:18 AM
Quote from: X99 on January 19, 2021, 07:09:53 PMQuote from: jakeroot on January 19, 2021, 04:41:31 PMI can take out North Dakota as well by saying it has four population centers: Fargo, Grand Forks, Bismarck, and Minot. The latter three of those are close enough in population and far enough apart to count as separate in my eyes.Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 19, 2021, 02:43:22 PMQuote from: 1 on January 19, 2021, 11:37:10 AMQuote from: X99 on January 19, 2021, 11:26:34 AM
Probably wrong on this, but:
Nevada and South Dakota: only two states with two massively separated population centers.
Missouri
Washington, North Dakota
I don't think WA would count. Clark County, down in the southwest part of the state (containing Vancouver), is not substantially smaller than Spokane County nor the Spokane metro area. If you look at the Portland/Vancouver metro area as a whole, it obviously dwarfs Spokane.
If I were to name WA's big population centers, I would list Seattle, Spokane, and Vancouver.
Missouri is a little harder, but one could claim that Springfield/Joplin and Columbia/Jefferson City count as separate population areas, despite both regions having a much lower population than St Louis and Kansas City.
With that, I can update my original claim for Nevada and South Dakota: only two states with two massively separated population centers, and almost nothing in between.
Minnesota (M/SP, Duluth) might be another example, and some people might look down their nose at the "Pennsyltucky" between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 20, 2021, 07:50:20 AM
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 20, 2021, 07:50:20 AM
Quote from: GenExpwy on January 20, 2021, 06:14:18 AMQuote from: X99 on January 19, 2021, 07:09:53 PMQuote from: jakeroot on January 19, 2021, 04:41:31 PMI can take out North Dakota as well by saying it has four population centers: Fargo, Grand Forks, Bismarck, and Minot. The latter three of those are close enough in population and far enough apart to count as separate in my eyes.Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 19, 2021, 02:43:22 PMQuote from: 1 on January 19, 2021, 11:37:10 AMQuote from: X99 on January 19, 2021, 11:26:34 AM
Probably wrong on this, but:
Nevada and South Dakota: only two states with two massively separated population centers.
Missouri
Washington, North Dakota
I don't think WA would count. Clark County, down in the southwest part of the state (containing Vancouver), is not substantially smaller than Spokane County nor the Spokane metro area. If you look at the Portland/Vancouver metro area as a whole, it obviously dwarfs Spokane.
If I were to name WA's big population centers, I would list Seattle, Spokane, and Vancouver.
Missouri is a little harder, but one could claim that Springfield/Joplin and Columbia/Jefferson City count as separate population areas, despite both regions having a much lower population than St Louis and Kansas City.
With that, I can update my original claim for Nevada and South Dakota: only two states with two massively separated population centers, and almost nothing in between.
Minnesota (M/SP, Duluth) might be another example, and some people might look down their nose at the "Pennsyltucky" between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.
While they're the 2 largest cities in PA totaling about 1.8 million in population, Pittsburgh only has 1/5th of the population of Philly, and there's still a fair amount in between, including 10 million people elsewhere in the state.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hotdogPi on January 20, 2021, 09:29:09 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on January 20, 2021, 09:29:09 AM
These may not be as interesting as the ones I posted in the OP, but here's what I have for Massachusetts:
NH, VT, NY, CT, RI: They share a border with MA, and route numbers continue across state lines, so they all have a shared route that enters no other states.
ME: Were part of Massachusetts before 1820 (if you want to exclude MA/NH boundary disputes, also include an early bound)
WA: Have island counties; termini of I-90
OR: Termini of US 20
CA: Termini of US 6, has a state route freeway 57
PA: Termini of eastern I-84
MD: One of the 13 colonies that begins with M
KS: Lawrence is a medium-sized city
NC: Has a state route freeway 140
MI: Has a major city between 42°N and 42°30'N
OH: Marblehead is on a peninsula
IN: Has 11 electoral votes, and the most recent change was a decrease
IL: Congressional districts 1-9 are all held by Democrats
TX: Ends in a pronounced s
NJ: Known for its rotaries/traffic circles (pre-modern roundabout)
FL: Tom Brady
AL: Surprising Senate special election win in the 2010s (Scott Brown for MA, Doug Jones for AL)
MN: Had an election where Republicans won 49 states, and that state (and DC) was the only exception
WI: Has exactly 18 ZIP code hundred blocks
NH, VT, NY, CT, RI: They share a border with MA, and route numbers continue across state lines, so they all have a shared route that enters no other states.
ME: Were part of Massachusetts before 1820 (if you want to exclude MA/NH boundary disputes, also include an early bound)
WA: Have island counties; termini of I-90
OR: Termini of US 20
CA: Termini of US 6, has a state route freeway 57
PA: Termini of eastern I-84
MD: One of the 13 colonies that begins with M
KS: Lawrence is a medium-sized city
NC: Has a state route freeway 140
MI: Has a major city between 42°N and 42°30'N
OH: Marblehead is on a peninsula
IN: Has 11 electoral votes, and the most recent change was a decrease
IL: Congressional districts 1-9 are all held by Democrats
TX: Ends in a pronounced s
NJ: Known for its rotaries/traffic circles (pre-modern roundabout)
FL: Tom Brady
AL: Surprising Senate special election win in the 2010s (Scott Brown for MA, Doug Jones for AL)
MN: Had an election where Republicans won 49 states, and that state (and DC) was the only exception
WI: Has exactly 18 ZIP code hundred blocks
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 20, 2021, 11:04:15 AM
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 20, 2021, 11:04:15 AM
WV and VA: Only states with Virginia in their name.
ND and SD: Only states with Dakota in their name.
NC and SC: Only states with Carolina in their name.
NC and ND: Only states with North in their name.
SC and SD: Only states with South in their name.
NM and NV: Only states to have a city named Las Vegas with an I-X5 running through it.
CO and PA: Only states to have a city named Denver with I-76 running through it.
TX, NM and FL: All have a town named San Antonio with an I-X5 running through it or relatively close.
TX and CO: Only states with a headwaters of the Colorado River
TX and IL: Only states with a city that has at least 4 major (X0 or X5) interstates in the metro area.
TX, CA, PA, OH, IN and GA: Only states to have at least 4 major (X) or X5) interstates within their state boundaries.
ND and SD: Only states with Dakota in their name.
NC and SC: Only states with Carolina in their name.
NC and ND: Only states with North in their name.
SC and SD: Only states with South in their name.
NM and NV: Only states to have a city named Las Vegas with an I-X5 running through it.
CO and PA: Only states to have a city named Denver with I-76 running through it.
TX, NM and FL: All have a town named San Antonio with an I-X5 running through it or relatively close.
TX and CO: Only states with a headwaters of the Colorado River
TX and IL: Only states with a city that has at least 4 major (X0 or X5) interstates in the metro area.
TX, CA, PA, OH, IN and GA: Only states to have at least 4 major (X) or X5) interstates within their state boundaries.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 20, 2021, 11:07:25 AM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 20, 2021, 11:07:25 AM
CA and FL: termini of I-10
TX and SC: termini of I-20
CA and NC: termini of I-40
UT and MD: termini of I-70
CA and NJ: termini of I-80
CA and WA: termini of I-5
CA and MT: termini of I-15
NM and WY: termini of I-25
TX and MN: termini of I-35
LA and IL: termini of I-55
AL and IN: termini of I-65
FL and MI: termini of I-75
AL and VA: termini of I-85
FL and ME: termini of I-95
I can go on, but think this is a good stopping point for now
TX and SC: termini of I-20
CA and NC: termini of I-40
UT and MD: termini of I-70
CA and NJ: termini of I-80
CA and WA: termini of I-5
CA and MT: termini of I-15
NM and WY: termini of I-25
TX and MN: termini of I-35
LA and IL: termini of I-55
AL and IN: termini of I-65
FL and MI: termini of I-75
AL and VA: termini of I-85
FL and ME: termini of I-95
I can go on, but think this is a good stopping point for now
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on January 20, 2021, 03:54:05 PM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on January 20, 2021, 03:54:05 PM
Nebraska and Nevada: Only States starting with N with only one word in their names.
Ohio and Pennsylvania: Only States bordering Canada without any border crossing (because the border is in the middle of a lake). If I worded that as an entire water boundary then that would be true of Michigan as well.
Minnesota and Washington: Have a section only accesible overland from Canada.
Ohio and Pennsylvania: Only States bordering Canada without any border crossing (because the border is in the middle of a lake). If I worded that as an entire water boundary then that would be true of Michigan as well.
Minnesota and Washington: Have a section only accesible overland from Canada.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 20, 2021, 03:57:00 PM
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 20, 2021, 03:57:00 PM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on January 20, 2021, 03:54:05 PM
Nebraska and Nevada: Only States starting with N with only one word in their names.
Ohio and Pennsylvania: Only States bordering Canada without any border crossing (because the border is in the middle of a lake). If I worded that as an entire water boundary then that would be true of Michigan as well.
Minnesota and Washington: Have a section only accesible overland from Canada.
Minnesota and Alaska: Only states with territory north of the 49th Parallel.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 20, 2021, 03:59:10 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 20, 2021, 03:59:10 PM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on January 20, 2021, 03:54:05 PM
Minnesota and Washington: Have a section only accesible overland from Canada.
Except that...
Quote from: Bruce on January 18, 2021, 05:41:55 AM
But there is a passenger ferry from Pt Roberts to Bellingham that was set up last year due to the pandemic border closure.
Oh, wait. I misunderstood your post. I thought you meant that the only way to get there was overland from Canada. What you really meant is that the only overland way to get there is from Canada.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ran4sh on January 20, 2021, 04:03:18 PM
Post by: ran4sh on January 20, 2021, 04:03:18 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 20, 2021, 11:04:15 AM
TX, CA, PA, OH, IN and GA: Only states to have at least 4 major (X) or X5) interstates within their state boundaries.
IL, TN
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: oscar on January 20, 2021, 04:04:05 PM
Post by: oscar on January 20, 2021, 04:04:05 PM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on January 20, 2021, 03:54:05 PM
Minnesota and Washington: Have a section only accesible overland from Canada.
Alaska, too. Hyder AK is accessible overland only via Stewart BC.
Maine has some communities on the Quebec border that are easier to access from Quebec, but might also be accessible without a border crossing via unpaved private toll roads.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 20, 2021, 04:07:46 PM
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 20, 2021, 04:07:46 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 20, 2021, 04:03:18 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 20, 2021, 11:04:15 AM
TX, CA, PA, OH, IN and GA: Only states to have at least 4 major (X) or X5) interstates within their state boundaries.
IL, TN
oops
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 20, 2021, 04:08:02 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 20, 2021, 04:08:02 PM
Quote from: oscar on January 20, 2021, 04:04:05 PMQuote from: CNGL-Leudimin on January 20, 2021, 03:54:05 PM
Minnesota and Washington: Have a section only accesible overland from Canada.
Alaska, too. Hyder AK is accessible overland only via Stewart BC.
Maine has some communities on the Quebec border that are easier to access from Quebec, but might also be accessible without a border crossing via unpaved private toll roads.
I was thinking of Hyder too, but I think the point is that that "section" of Alaska is theoretically–if you don't mind some adventurous river crossings–also "accessible" overland from the rest of Alaska by some world-class intrepid hiking.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: KCRoadFan on January 20, 2021, 09:59:35 PM
Post by: KCRoadFan on January 20, 2021, 09:59:35 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 19, 2021, 08:06:23 PMQuote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 19, 2021, 07:20:30 PM
It comes down to perception though.
Perception to help drive the research, sure. But at least for WA, you cannot just pretend that Vancouver (well, Clark County) doesn't exist.Quote from: X99 on January 19, 2021, 07:09:53 PM
With that, I can update my original claim for Nevada and South Dakota: only two states with two massively separated population centers, and almost nothing in between.
That would fit WA, definitely: Seattle, massive gap, Spokane. But since Seattle is at the two ends of major interstates, you also have to go south from Seattle. By doing so, you hit Clark County at the very southern edge of the state, which is in itself very large and part of an even larger metro area. WA is basically a triangle of metro areas.
With the Tri-Cities and Yakima in the southeast, wouldn't it be a rectangle?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hotdogPi on January 20, 2021, 10:03:10 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on January 20, 2021, 10:03:10 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on January 20, 2021, 09:59:35 PMWhich rectangle? Out of the five metro areas (Seattle, Clark County, Spokane, Yakima, and Tri-Cities), the only set of four that creates anything resembling a rectangle is the one excluding Yakima, which you explicitly mentioned.Quote from: jakeroot on January 19, 2021, 08:06:23 PMQuote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 19, 2021, 07:20:30 PM
It comes down to perception though.
Perception to help drive the research, sure. But at least for WA, you cannot just pretend that Vancouver (well, Clark County) doesn't exist.Quote from: X99 on January 19, 2021, 07:09:53 PM
With that, I can update my original claim for Nevada and South Dakota: only two states with two massively separated population centers, and almost nothing in between.
That would fit WA, definitely: Seattle, massive gap, Spokane. But since Seattle is at the two ends of major interstates, you also have to go south from Seattle. By doing so, you hit Clark County at the very southern edge of the state, which is in itself very large and part of an even larger metro area. WA is basically a triangle of metro areas.
With the Tri-Cities and Yakima in the southeast, wouldn't it be a rectangle?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jakeroot on January 20, 2021, 11:23:41 PM
Post by: jakeroot on January 20, 2021, 11:23:41 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 20, 2021, 10:03:10 PMQuote from: KCRoadFan on January 20, 2021, 09:59:35 PMWhich rectangle? Out of the five metro areas (Seattle, Clark County, Spokane, Yakima, and Tri-Cities), the only set of four that creates anything resembling a rectangle is the one excluding Yakima, which you explicitly mentioned.Quote from: jakeroot on January 19, 2021, 08:06:23 PMQuote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 19, 2021, 07:20:30 PM
It comes down to perception though.
Perception to help drive the research, sure. But at least for WA, you cannot just pretend that Vancouver (well, Clark County) doesn't exist.Quote from: X99 on January 19, 2021, 07:09:53 PM
With that, I can update my original claim for Nevada and South Dakota: only two states with two massively separated population centers, and almost nothing in between.
That would fit WA, definitely: Seattle, massive gap, Spokane. But since Seattle is at the two ends of major interstates, you also have to go south from Seattle. By doing so, you hit Clark County at the very southern edge of the state, which is in itself very large and part of an even larger metro area. WA is basically a triangle of metro areas.
With the Tri-Cities and Yakima in the southeast, wouldn't it be a rectangle?
I would guess that he was grouping Yakima and the Tri-Cities. Which is a stretch.
The Tri-Cities alone is at least half the size of Spokane, so it's usually not considered to be as major of a metro area compared to the other three. I only suggest including Clark County in the list because it's basically the same size as Spokane; the same cannot be said for the Tri-Cities, which is about half the size of Spokane and Clark County.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 21, 2021, 11:42:26 AM
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 21, 2021, 11:42:26 AM
MO and KY: Only states to share a border and have no direct road access between them.
MO and TN: Only states to border 8 states.
MO and TN: Only states to border 8 states.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hbelkins on January 21, 2021, 03:43:32 PM
Post by: hbelkins on January 21, 2021, 03:43:32 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 21, 2021, 11:42:26 AM
MO and KY: Only states to share a border and have no direct road access between them.
That's not totally true. Due to the changes in the Mississippi River over the years, there are some spots of Kentucky that are isolated from the rest of the state by the river, and you access them by land from Missouri. I actually saw photos from one of them not long ago. I'm thinking Jake Bear posted them on Facebook, but could be mistaken.
I understand what you mean by "no direct road access" but there are places you can access Kentucky from Missouri via road.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 21, 2021, 04:05:56 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 21, 2021, 04:05:56 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 21, 2021, 03:43:32 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 21, 2021, 11:42:26 AM
MO and KY: Only states to share a border and have no direct road access between them.
That's not totally true. Due to the changes in the Mississippi River over the years, there are some spots of Kentucky that are isolated from the rest of the state by the river, and you access them by land from Missouri. I actually saw photos from one of them not long ago. I'm thinking Jake Bear posted them on Facebook, but could be mistaken.
I understand what you mean by "no direct road access" but there are places you can access Kentucky from Missouri via road.
I know I posted a location or two, but it will take forever to look up that post...
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 21, 2021, 04:24:16 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 21, 2021, 04:24:16 PM
Well, at any rate... Wolf Island, Kentucky (https://goo.gl/maps/WRhnJBdX2CVgmmmj6).
Quote from: Southeast Missourian / Blog: Missouri versus Kentucky: The 1870 smackdown / 10-AUG-2010
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 21, 2021, 04:45:48 PM
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 21, 2021, 04:45:48 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 21, 2021, 03:43:32 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 21, 2021, 11:42:26 AM
MO and KY: Only states to share a border and have no direct road access between them.
That's not totally true. Due to the changes in the Mississippi River over the years, there are some spots of Kentucky that are isolated from the rest of the state by the river, and you access them by land from Missouri. I actually saw photos from one of them not long ago. I'm thinking Jake Bear posted them on Facebook, but could be mistaken.
I understand what you mean by "no direct road access" but there are places you can access Kentucky from Missouri via road.
MO and KY: Only states to share a border and have no bridge across the Mississippi River connecting them as the mostly recognized natural border, albeit a few cut off meanders of old riverbeds.
Fixed?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 21, 2021, 05:05:23 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 21, 2021, 05:05:23 PM
For anyone interested, here is the 1870 Supreme Court case (https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/78/395/) that decided which state the island belongs to. Judging by the syllabus, it seems the Mississippi River flowed on both sides of the island when Kentucky was admitted as a State, yet the boundary was defined at the time to be the middle of the river.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 21, 2021, 05:07:09 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 21, 2021, 05:07:09 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 21, 2021, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: hbelkins on January 21, 2021, 03:43:32 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 21, 2021, 11:42:26 AM
MO and KY: Only states to share a border and have no direct road access between them.
That's not totally true. Due to the changes in the Mississippi River over the years, there are some spots of Kentucky that are isolated from the rest of the state by the river, and you access them by land from Missouri. I actually saw photos from one of them not long ago. I'm thinking Jake Bear posted them on Facebook, but could be mistaken.
I understand what you mean by "no direct road access" but there are places you can access Kentucky from Missouri via road.
MO and KY: Only states to share a border and have no bridge across the Mississippi River connecting them as the mostly recognized natural border, albeit a few cut off meanders of old riverbeds.
Fixed?
Minnesota and South Dakota also share a border but have no bridge across the Mississippi River connecting them as the mostly recognized natural border. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding your sentence.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: US 89 on January 21, 2021, 05:13:13 PM
Post by: US 89 on January 21, 2021, 05:13:13 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 21, 2021, 05:07:09 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 21, 2021, 04:45:48 PMQuote from: hbelkins on January 21, 2021, 03:43:32 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 21, 2021, 11:42:26 AM
MO and KY: Only states to share a border and have no direct road access between them.
That's not totally true. Due to the changes in the Mississippi River over the years, there are some spots of Kentucky that are isolated from the rest of the state by the river, and you access them by land from Missouri. I actually saw photos from one of them not long ago. I'm thinking Jake Bear posted them on Facebook, but could be mistaken.
I understand what you mean by "no direct road access" but there are places you can access Kentucky from Missouri via road.
MO and KY: Only states to share a border and have no bridge across the Mississippi River connecting them as the mostly recognized natural border, albeit a few cut off meanders of old riverbeds.
Fixed?
Minnesota and South Dakota also share a border but have no bridge across the Mississippi River connecting them as the mostly recognized natural border. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding your sentence.
Now I'm lost. The Mississippi River doesn't border South Dakota.
The gap at Browns Valley connects the headwaters of the Minnesota River (draining to the Mississippi) to the headwaters of the Red River (draining north to Lake Winnipeg, ultimately to Hudson Bay).
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jakeroot on January 21, 2021, 05:31:59 PM
Post by: jakeroot on January 21, 2021, 05:31:59 PM
Quote from: US 89 on January 21, 2021, 05:13:13 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 21, 2021, 05:07:09 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 21, 2021, 04:45:48 PM
MO and KY: Only states to share a border and have no bridge across the Mississippi River connecting them as the mostly recognized natural border, albeit a few cut off meanders of old riverbeds.
Fixed?
Minnesota and South Dakota also share a border but have no bridge across the Mississippi River connecting them as the mostly recognized natural border. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding your sentence.
Now I'm lost. The Mississippi River doesn't border South Dakota.
The gap at Browns Valley connects the headwaters of the Minnesota River (draining to the Mississippi) to the headwaters of the Red River (draining north to Lake Winnipeg, ultimately to Hudson Bay).
I think he's being facetious, in response to ethanhopkin14's very specific wording.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: US 89 on January 21, 2021, 05:34:40 PM
Post by: US 89 on January 21, 2021, 05:34:40 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 21, 2021, 05:31:59 PMQuote from: US 89 on January 21, 2021, 05:13:13 PMQuote from: kphoger on January 21, 2021, 05:07:09 PMQuote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 21, 2021, 04:45:48 PM
MO and KY: Only states to share a border and have no bridge across the Mississippi River connecting them as the mostly recognized natural border, albeit a few cut off meanders of old riverbeds.
Fixed?
Minnesota and South Dakota also share a border but have no bridge across the Mississippi River connecting them as the mostly recognized natural border. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding your sentence.
Now I'm lost. The Mississippi River doesn't border South Dakota.
The gap at Browns Valley connects the headwaters of the Minnesota River (draining to the Mississippi) to the headwaters of the Red River (draining north to Lake Winnipeg, ultimately to Hudson Bay).
I think he's being facetious, in response to ethanhopkin14's very specific wording.
Heh. That's what I get for only getting 5 hours of sleep last night.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on January 21, 2021, 05:50:06 PM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on January 21, 2021, 05:50:06 PM
Quote from: US 89 on January 21, 2021, 05:13:13 PM
Now I'm lost. The Mississippi River doesn't border South Dakota.
The gap at Browns Valley connects the headwaters of the Minnesota River (draining to the Mississippi) to the headwaters of the Red River (draining north to Lake Winnipeg, ultimately to Hudson Bay).
The Traverse Gap. Which was formed by River Warren as the outlet for Lake Agassiz as the Ice Age was coming to an end. Now it has the rare distinction of being a valley crossed by a continental divide.
Alaska and Louisiana: Only States not to use the term "County" for their counties (sorry, "county-equivalents").
Alaska and Texas: Only States larger than Spain.
Alaska and Hawaii: Only States without a US Route (duh!), that Big Rig Steve has never driven in, and a lot other quirks of being the only two States not contiguous to the 48 others.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: X99 on January 21, 2021, 05:54:37 PM
Post by: X99 on January 21, 2021, 05:54:37 PM
Virginia and Michigan: only two states with separate land areas that have only one direct road connection.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hotdogPi on January 21, 2021, 05:55:21 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on January 21, 2021, 05:55:21 PM
Quote from: X99 on January 21, 2021, 05:54:37 PM
Virginia and Michigan: only two states with separate land areas that have only one direct road connection.
Key West
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: X99 on January 21, 2021, 05:57:33 PM
Post by: X99 on January 21, 2021, 05:57:33 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 21, 2021, 05:55:21 PMQuote from: X99 on January 21, 2021, 05:54:37 PM
Virginia and Michigan: only two states with separate land areas that have only one direct road connection.
Key West
Virginia and Michigan: only two states with separate land areas, where both land areas connect to at least one other state, that have only one direct road connection between them.
Fixed.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hotdogPi on January 21, 2021, 06:01:24 PM
Post by: hotdogPi on January 21, 2021, 06:01:24 PM
Quote from: X99 on January 21, 2021, 05:57:33 PMQuote from: 1 on January 21, 2021, 05:55:21 PMQuote from: X99 on January 21, 2021, 05:54:37 PM
Virginia and Michigan: only two states with separate land areas that have only one direct road connection.
Key West
Virginia and Michigan: only two states with separate land areas, where both land areas connect to at least one other state, that have only one direct road connection between them.
Fixed.
Staten Island
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 21, 2021, 06:06:54 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 21, 2021, 06:06:54 PM
Virginia and Michigan: only two states with separate land areas, where both land areas connect to at least one other state, and that don't have Staten Island in them, that have only one direct road connection between them.*
There. Fixed. Now everyone is happy.**
* subject to peer review
** unsubstantiated claim
There. Fixed. Now everyone is happy.**
* subject to peer review
** unsubstantiated claim
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: X99 on January 21, 2021, 06:14:32 PM
Post by: X99 on January 21, 2021, 06:14:32 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 05, 2023, 05:20:14 PMI was gonna say that both land areas had to have a land boundary with another state, but that works too I guess
Virginia and Michigan: only two states with separate land areas, where both land areas connect to at least one other state, and that don't have Staten Island in them, that have only one direct road connection between them.*
There. Fixed. Now everyone is happy.**
* subject to peer review
** unsubstantiated claim
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 21, 2021, 06:25:10 PM
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 21, 2021, 06:25:10 PM
Alaska and Hawaii: Only two states that have no borders with any other US states.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 21, 2021, 09:27:36 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 21, 2021, 09:27:36 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 21, 2021, 06:25:10 PM
Alaska and Hawaii: Only two states that have no borders with any other US states.
You know... That makes me wonder if any of FritzOwl's planned bridges extend into international waters...
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: CtrlAltDel on January 21, 2021, 09:40:44 PM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on January 21, 2021, 09:40:44 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 20, 2021, 09:29:09 AM
These may not be as interesting as the ones I posted in the OP, but here's what I have for Massachusetts:
TX: Ends in a pronounced s
Kansas also ends in a pronounced s.
That said, I think Illinois and Arkansas are the only two states to end in a silent s.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on January 21, 2021, 09:54:58 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on January 21, 2021, 09:54:58 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 21, 2021, 09:27:36 PMI wouldn't be surprised to see the following statement from FritzOwl in the future:Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 21, 2021, 06:25:10 PM
Alaska and Hawaii: Only two states that have no borders with any other US states.
You know... That makes me wonder if any of FritzOwl's planned bridges extend into international waters...
"The North Atlantic Tracks have outlived its usefulness and needs to be a ground level interstate. My plans to extend I-90 into Europe will replace the North Atlantic Tracks with a bridge."
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 21, 2021, 10:14:29 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 21, 2021, 10:14:29 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 21, 2021, 09:40:44 PMQuote from: 1 on January 20, 2021, 09:29:09 AM
These may not be as interesting as the ones I posted in the OP, but here's what I have for Massachusetts:
TX: Ends in a pronounced s
Kansas also ends in a pronounced s.
This whole time, I thought it was pronounced kin-SAW.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 21, 2021, 10:38:32 PM
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 21, 2021, 10:38:32 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 21, 2021, 09:40:44 PMQuote from: 1 on January 20, 2021, 09:29:09 AM
These may not be as interesting as the ones I posted in the OP, but here's what I have for Massachusetts:
TX: Ends in a pronounced s
Kansas also ends in a pronounced s.
That said, I think Illinois and Arkansas are the only two states to end in a silent s.
My wife has tried hard to stop me from saying "Ill-la-noise".
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: CtrlAltDel on January 22, 2021, 12:23:51 AM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on January 22, 2021, 12:23:51 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 21, 2021, 10:38:32 PMQuote from: CtrlAltDel on January 21, 2021, 09:40:44 PMQuote from: 1 on January 20, 2021, 09:29:09 AM
These may not be as interesting as the ones I posted in the OP, but here's what I have for Massachusetts:
TX: Ends in a pronounced s
Kansas also ends in a pronounced s.
That said, I think Illinois and Arkansas are the only two states to end in a silent s.
My wife has tried hard to stop me from saying "Ill-la-noise".
Bring in 'da Illi-noise, Bring in 'da Illi-funk! :)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 22, 2021, 10:26:59 AM
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 22, 2021, 10:26:59 AM
Quote from: kphoger on January 21, 2021, 10:14:29 PMQuote from: CtrlAltDel on January 21, 2021, 09:40:44 PMQuote from: 1 on January 20, 2021, 09:29:09 AM
These may not be as interesting as the ones I posted in the OP, but here's what I have for Massachusetts:
TX: Ends in a pronounced s
Kansas also ends in a pronounced s.
This whole time, I thought it was pronounced kin-SAW.
This sounds like a Gallagher bit. If you extrapolate how to pronounce Kansas from Arkansas, then yes. The opposite way it should be AR-CAN-SAS. English is a funny little bug ain't it?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on January 22, 2021, 02:41:19 PM
Post by: kphoger on January 22, 2021, 02:41:19 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 21, 2021, 10:38:32 PM
My wife has tried hard to stop me from saying "Ill-la-noise".
That's a good way to incite violence among Illinoisans.
Actually, though, I've seen Guys & Dolls, and I wouldn't want to correct Big Julie's pronunciation of 'East Cicero, Illinois'...
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hobsini2 on January 24, 2021, 02:18:02 PM
Post by: hobsini2 on January 24, 2021, 02:18:02 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AMIllinois has some Letter-Number county highways especially in Lake and Cook County.
California and Iowa: Have letter-number county routes
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4297562,-88.1179384,3a,51.6y,42.2h,87.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVStk888TwG5fNwow8w3VEA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
As for Interstate bumps,
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hobsini2 on January 24, 2021, 02:24:45 PM
Post by: hobsini2 on January 24, 2021, 02:24:45 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on January 14, 2021, 03:52:09 PMWisconsin did the horizontal signals only up until a few years ago.
Here's two I have concerning Texas:
Texas and New Mexico: only states that use horizontal traffic signals consistently throughout the entire state (barring a few exceptions)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hobsini2 on January 24, 2021, 02:27:54 PM
Post by: hobsini2 on January 24, 2021, 02:27:54 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 05:09:47 PMThere are 3 legit state panhandles. Oklahoma, Texas and West Virginia. HOWEVER, Texas should be disqualified because it does not look like a panhandle. Connecticut looks more like a pot handle in the SW.
ARGUMENT TIME
Which two states' panhandles actually deserve to be called panhandles?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hobsini2 on January 24, 2021, 02:29:32 PM
Post by: hobsini2 on January 24, 2021, 02:29:32 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 07:35:52 PMHad been Massachusetts but now I would say Wisconsin. Every single new interchange redesign has them.Quote from: stridentweasel on January 14, 2021, 05:55:45 PM
How about this one? Michigan and New Jersey: The only two states to popularize a unique style of left turn substitution. Unless you count Texas Turnarounds or roundabouts.
OK, what state are you saying has uniquely popularized the roundabout?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: roadfro on January 24, 2021, 04:18:53 PM
Post by: roadfro on January 24, 2021, 04:18:53 PM
Returning to a bit more of a roadgeek focus...
CA & NV: Only two states with a county-based mileage reference system to use white postmile/milepost paddles.
There's a "Freeway Entrance" signage (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=27077) on the Traffic Control board that notes many states using such signage. However, California & Nevada appear to be the only two that post these consistently at every* freeway on-ramp with the entire "freeway entrance sign package"–the MUTCD-standard sign, route shield, cardinal direction, and downward arrow.
(* Exception is Summerlin Parkway in Las Vegas, which until recently was not state-maintained.)
CA & NV: Only two states with a county-based mileage reference system to use white postmile/milepost paddles.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on January 15, 2021, 12:12:45 PM
I might be wrong on this but here goes.
CA and WA: only two states that use Freeway Entrance signage at every interchange.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on January 15, 2021, 12:23:23 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on January 15, 2021, 12:16:57 PMI knew Nevada used them quite a bit, but I wasn't sure if it was at every ramp. California and Washington seem to
Not sure if it's every interchange, but I found some (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9537885,-117.7533809,3a,34y,212.84h,85.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSao03aXIb7Wrx5oPcKbx-Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)Nevada (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5274291,-119.7823611,3a,78.2y,230.98h,88.06t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1ssJXCnaUTYZrXzy_p31Riww!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DsJXCnaUTYZrXzy_p31Riww%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D347.83368%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)examples (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1261402,-115.1812948,3a,56y,197.45h,87.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s94swcNZEX5WO9V1eBLMOYw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on January 15, 2021, 05:18:42 PMQuote from: FrCorySticha on January 15, 2021, 04:50:29 PMAdd West Virginia to that list.
MT has been putting these up throughout the state. Not sure if on every entrance, but I have seen them on pretty much every one I can think of.
There's a "Freeway Entrance" signage (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=27077) on the Traffic Control board that notes many states using such signage. However, California & Nevada appear to be the only two that post these consistently at every* freeway on-ramp with the entire "freeway entrance sign package"–the MUTCD-standard sign, route shield, cardinal direction, and downward arrow.
(* Exception is Summerlin Parkway in Las Vegas, which until recently was not state-maintained.)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kurumi on January 24, 2021, 10:42:07 PM
Post by: kurumi on January 24, 2021, 10:42:07 PM
OH and PA: each have four consecutive 2di's (74-77 and 78-81). I'm not really worried about I-73 ruining this one
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: JayhawkCO on January 24, 2021, 10:44:08 PM
Post by: JayhawkCO on January 24, 2021, 10:44:08 PM
Quote from: kurumi on January 24, 2021, 10:42:07 PM
OH and PA: each have four consecutive 2di's (74-77 and 78-81). I'm not really worried about I-73 ruining this one
Technically, Alaska?
Chris
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: wriddle082 on January 27, 2021, 07:40:01 AM
Post by: wriddle082 on January 27, 2021, 07:40:01 AM
(There may be others that I'm not aware of, but this gets the conversation going)
Alabama and Colorado: when they close a lane for construction, they always set the flashing arrow signs to three chevrons mode instead of just a flashing arrow. The chevrons flash in a sequence similar to current model Ford Mustang rear turn indicators.
Alabama and Colorado: when they close a lane for construction, they always set the flashing arrow signs to three chevrons mode instead of just a flashing arrow. The chevrons flash in a sequence similar to current model Ford Mustang rear turn indicators.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: US 89 on January 27, 2021, 10:57:07 AM
Post by: US 89 on January 27, 2021, 10:57:07 AM
Quote from: wriddle082 on January 27, 2021, 07:40:01 AM
(There may be others that I'm not aware of, but this gets the conversation going)
Alabama and Colorado: when they close a lane for construction, they always set the flashing arrow signs to three chevrons mode instead of just a flashing arrow. The chevrons flash in a sequence similar to current model Ford Mustang rear turn indicators.
This is extremely common in Utah and probably a lot of other states. I'm pretty sure I've seen it in Georgia, too.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: X99 on January 27, 2021, 11:25:32 AM
Post by: X99 on January 27, 2021, 11:25:32 AM
Quote from: US 89 on January 27, 2021, 10:57:07 AMQuote from: wriddle082 on January 27, 2021, 07:40:01 AM
(There may be others that I'm not aware of, but this gets the conversation going)
Alabama and Colorado: when they close a lane for construction, they always set the flashing arrow signs to three chevrons mode instead of just a flashing arrow. The chevrons flash in a sequence similar to current model Ford Mustang rear turn indicators.
This is extremely common in Utah and probably a lot of other states. I'm pretty sure I've seen it in Georgia, too.
South Dakota does three chevrons as well. I don't think I've ever seen a regular arrow on one of those signs here.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Scott5114 on January 27, 2021, 02:43:41 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on January 27, 2021, 02:43:41 PM
Meanwhile, the arrow boards commonly used in Oklahoma don't even have the capability to display chevrons. The lights are arranged in just the pattern of a double-headed arrow.
Kansas arrow boards can display chevrons but I've never seen them do so. I think I've seen them display an animated arrow that "grows" across the face of the sign.
I've always wondered if there was any intended semantic difference between the chevrons and the arrow. The Oklahoma driver's manual shows both and, by using different wording under each of them, implies there is, but doesn't make it entirely clear what the difference is (I think one is "lane closed" and one is "move left/move right" or something like that).
Kansas arrow boards can display chevrons but I've never seen them do so. I think I've seen them display an animated arrow that "grows" across the face of the sign.
I've always wondered if there was any intended semantic difference between the chevrons and the arrow. The Oklahoma driver's manual shows both and, by using different wording under each of them, implies there is, but doesn't make it entirely clear what the difference is (I think one is "lane closed" and one is "move left/move right" or something like that).
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: OCGuy81 on January 27, 2021, 11:13:04 PM
Post by: OCGuy81 on January 27, 2021, 11:13:04 PM
ND and VT: only states in the lower 48 that don't have an x0 or x5.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: RobbieL2415 on January 28, 2021, 11:48:41 AM
Post by: RobbieL2415 on January 28, 2021, 11:48:41 AM
CT and WV: only two states to share the bold-border square SR shield design. MA, RI and ME are square but their borders are thinner.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 28, 2021, 07:56:51 PM
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on January 28, 2021, 07:56:51 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on January 28, 2021, 11:48:41 AM
CT and WV: only two states to share the bold-border square SR shield design. MA, RI and ME are square but their borders are thinner.
Texas would like to have a word.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Scott5114 on January 28, 2021, 08:20:22 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on January 28, 2021, 08:20:22 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on January 28, 2021, 07:56:51 PMQuote from: RobbieL2415 on January 28, 2021, 11:48:41 AM
CT and WV: only two states to share the bold-border square SR shield design. MA, RI and ME are square but their borders are thinner.
Texas would like to have a word.
The word it would like to have is "TEXAS", which isn't included in CT and WV's shields. (Note that IL, IN, and MT weren't listed alongside MA, RI, and ME.)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Big John on January 28, 2021, 08:25:05 PM
Post by: Big John on January 28, 2021, 08:25:05 PM
^^ Rhode Island has R.I. on the state highway shield.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Gnutella on February 09, 2021, 08:01:20 AM
Post by: Gnutella on February 09, 2021, 08:01:20 AM
Pennsylvania and Delaware are the only states with a round land border.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: dvferyance on February 10, 2021, 01:37:46 PM
Post by: dvferyance on February 10, 2021, 01:37:46 PM
GA and TN only states with 3 x5 interstates.
GA 75,85,95
TN 55,65,75
GA 75,85,95
TN 55,65,75
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: US 89 on February 11, 2021, 08:08:53 PM
Post by: US 89 on February 11, 2021, 08:08:53 PM
Do any states besides Nevada and Colorado use these black-and-blue paddles (https://goo.gl/maps/ygEwWHcEU2JnPAecA) to mark emergency vehicle median crossings on interstates? Both states use a pattern where there'll be one paddle upstream of the crossing as an warning that it's coming, and then one on either side of the crossing.
I could be wrong but I don't think I've ever seen them anywhere else.
I could be wrong but I don't think I've ever seen them anywhere else.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on February 11, 2021, 08:33:24 PM
Post by: kphoger on February 11, 2021, 08:33:24 PM
Quote from: US 89 on February 11, 2021, 08:08:53 PM
Do any states besides Nevada and Colorado use these black-and-blue paddles (https://goo.gl/maps/ygEwWHcEU2JnPAecA) to mark emergency vehicle median crossings on interstates? Both states use a pattern where there'll be one paddle upstream of the crossing as an warning that it's coming, and then one on either side of the crossing.
I could be wrong but I don't think I've ever seen them anywhere else.
I've seen blue reflectors used in some places where white or yellow might otherwise be used, although I can't remember where at the moment. But not the paddles.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: CtrlAltDel on February 11, 2021, 09:47:41 PM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on February 11, 2021, 09:47:41 PM
I was bored, so here you go:
Alabama and Alaska are the only two states to start with the letters A L A and to also end in A.
California (CA) and Colorado (CO) are the only two states with names that start with C and postal abbreviations with a second letter that could be either the second or last letter of the state's name.
Louisiana/Alabama (LA/AL) and Minnesota/New Mexico (MN/NM) are the only two pairs of states with postal abbreviations composed of the same letters.
Connecticut and Mississippi are the only states with names that are eleven letters long.
North Dakota and South Dakota are the only two states admitted on the same day.
Tennessee and Missouri are the only two states to border eight other states.
Colorado and Kentucky are the only two states to border seven other states.
Also, there are six states with postal abbreviations one letter apart, three increasing (Delaware (DE), Hawaii (HI), and Minnesota(MN)) and three decreasing (New Mexico (NM), Utah (UT), and West Virginia (WV)).
The biggest increasing gap between the letters of the postal abbreviations is found, of course, with Arizona (AZ), while the biggest decreasing gap is Washington (WA).
Alabama and Alaska are the only two states to start with the letters A L A and to also end in A.
California (CA) and Colorado (CO) are the only two states with names that start with C and postal abbreviations with a second letter that could be either the second or last letter of the state's name.
Louisiana/Alabama (LA/AL) and Minnesota/New Mexico (MN/NM) are the only two pairs of states with postal abbreviations composed of the same letters.
Connecticut and Mississippi are the only states with names that are eleven letters long.
North Dakota and South Dakota are the only two states admitted on the same day.
Tennessee and Missouri are the only two states to border eight other states.
Colorado and Kentucky are the only two states to border seven other states.
Also, there are six states with postal abbreviations one letter apart, three increasing (Delaware (DE), Hawaii (HI), and Minnesota(MN)) and three decreasing (New Mexico (NM), Utah (UT), and West Virginia (WV)).
The biggest increasing gap between the letters of the postal abbreviations is found, of course, with Arizona (AZ), while the biggest decreasing gap is Washington (WA).
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Scott5114 on February 11, 2021, 10:07:16 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on February 11, 2021, 10:07:16 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on February 11, 2021, 09:47:41 PM
California (CA) and Colorado (CO) are the only two states with postal abbreviations with a second letter that could be either the second or last letter of the state's name.
DElawarE
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: OCGuy81 on February 11, 2021, 10:25:45 PM
Post by: OCGuy81 on February 11, 2021, 10:25:45 PM
Oregon and Maine.
Only two states with Portland being the largest city.
Only two states with Portland being the largest city.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: CtrlAltDel on February 11, 2021, 10:41:25 PM
Post by: CtrlAltDel on February 11, 2021, 10:41:25 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2021, 10:07:16 PMQuote from: CtrlAltDel on February 11, 2021, 09:47:41 PM
California (CA) and Colorado (CO) are the only two states with postal abbreviations with a second letter that could be either the second or last letter of the state's name.
DElawarE
Dammit.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ran4sh on February 11, 2021, 11:31:45 PM
Post by: ran4sh on February 11, 2021, 11:31:45 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on February 11, 2021, 10:41:25 PMQuote from: Scott5114 on February 11, 2021, 10:07:16 PMQuote from: CtrlAltDel on February 11, 2021, 09:47:41 PM
California (CA) and Colorado (CO) are the only two states with postal abbreviations with a second letter that could be either the second or last letter of the state's name.
DElawarE
Dammit.
Well, some say that they "could be" either the second or last letter, but the 2 letter abbreviations generally were derived from the traditional abbreviations which are used by, e.g. the Associated Press. CA comes from Calif., CO comes from Colo., DE comes from Del. - so in all three of those states it's the 2nd letter and not the last that is used for the abbreviation.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: JayhawkCO on February 12, 2021, 12:04:46 AM
Post by: JayhawkCO on February 12, 2021, 12:04:46 AM
Kind of a silly one, but tangentially related to some others posted above, but:
Colorado & Delaware, the only two states that are CVCVCVCV (C = Consonant, V=Vowel).
Chris
Colorado & Delaware, the only two states that are CVCVCVCV (C = Consonant, V=Vowel).
Chris
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on February 12, 2021, 04:57:14 AM
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on February 12, 2021, 04:57:14 AM
New Hampshire and Washington: Only two states with a head as state route shield after North Dakota changed theirs (Sort of in the case of NH).
New Hampshire and Wyoming: Only two states without a Ronald McDonald House.
New Hampshire and Wyoming: Only two states without a Ronald McDonald House.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on February 12, 2021, 10:11:51 AM
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on February 12, 2021, 10:11:51 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 12, 2021, 04:57:14 AM
New Hampshire and Washington: Only two states with a head as state route shield after North Dakota changed theirs (Sort of in the case of NH).
Idaho sad Nixon doesn't count? :-D
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jakeroot on February 12, 2021, 03:10:28 PM
Post by: jakeroot on February 12, 2021, 03:10:28 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 12, 2021, 10:11:51 AMQuote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 12, 2021, 04:57:14 AM
New Hampshire and Washington: Only two states with a head as state route shield after North Dakota changed theirs (Sort of in the case of NH).
Idaho sad Nixon doesn't count? :-D
"Sad Nixon?"
... googling ...
Shit, I can't unsee it now. Thanks.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: SkyPesos on February 17, 2021, 11:22:03 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on February 17, 2021, 11:22:03 PM
California and Ohio - only states with exactly three consecutive multiple of 5 interstates.
5, 10, 15 for CA
70, 75, 80 for OH
Texas have 4 (30, 35, 40, 45).
5, 10, 15 for CA
70, 75, 80 for OH
Texas have 4 (30, 35, 40, 45).
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Tom958 on February 20, 2021, 07:11:39 AM
Post by: Tom958 on February 20, 2021, 07:11:39 AM
New York (https://goo.gl/maps/dvTZjog4V53aH1449) and Wyoming (https://goo.gl/maps/2nhZDHA1wGdjetbh7) are by far the most dedicated users of box beam guiderail integrated with metal bridge rails. To my surprise, they're even more ubiquitous in Wyoming than in New York.
Also, the type of bridge guardrail in my New York example above, which I believe was common there from the 1960s, was used in South Carolina (https://goo.gl/maps/E4vV1AwV3zCs8Nna8) for several years in the early '80s, though only adjacent to sidewalks.
Also, the type of bridge guardrail in my New York example above, which I believe was common there from the 1960s, was used in South Carolina (https://goo.gl/maps/E4vV1AwV3zCs8Nna8) for several years in the early '80s, though only adjacent to sidewalks.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: skluth on February 20, 2021, 04:31:07 PM
Post by: skluth on February 20, 2021, 04:31:07 PM
Wisconsin and Michigan - only two states where residents hold up one hand then use the other hand to point out on the first hand what part of the state they're from
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Scott5114 on February 20, 2021, 05:14:52 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on February 20, 2021, 05:14:52 PM
Quote from: skluth on February 20, 2021, 04:31:07 PM
Wisconsin and Michigan - only two states where residents hold up one hand then use the other hand to point out on the first hand what part of the state they're from
I'm a little sad this can be done with Oklahoma but nobody does. (I'd try to start it, but everyone already knows where Norman is, and if they didn't it's easier to say that it's just south of Oklahoma City.)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Flint1979 on February 20, 2021, 06:39:39 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on February 20, 2021, 06:39:39 PM
Quote from: skluth on February 20, 2021, 04:31:07 PMNever heard anyone from Wisconsin doing that.
Wisconsin and Michigan - only two states where residents hold up one hand then use the other hand to point out on the first hand what part of the state they're from
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: skluth on February 20, 2021, 07:36:58 PM
Post by: skluth on February 20, 2021, 07:36:58 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2021, 06:39:39 PMQuote from: skluth on February 20, 2021, 04:31:07 PMNever heard anyone from Wisconsin doing that.
Wisconsin and Michigan - only two states where residents hold up one hand then use the other hand to point out on the first hand what part of the state they're from
I grew up in Green Bay. We regularly did that. It was only when we went camping in the UP that I discovered Michigan residents also do this.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on February 20, 2021, 10:32:48 PM
Post by: kphoger on February 20, 2021, 10:32:48 PM
Quote from: skluth on February 20, 2021, 07:36:58 PMQuote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2021, 06:39:39 PMQuote from: skluth on February 20, 2021, 04:31:07 PM
Wisconsin and Michigan - only two states where residents hold up one hand then use the other hand to point out on the first hand what part of the state they're from
Never heard anyone from Wisconsin doing that.
I grew up in Green Bay. We regularly did that. It was only when we went camping in the UP that I discovered Michigan residents also do this.
In the UP, they do it three-handed! The first hand represents the lower peninsula, for context. Then the second hand goes above and to the side, representing the upper peninsula. Then the first hand turns into the pointer to identify the exact location in the UP.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: dlsterner on February 20, 2021, 11:23:52 PM
Post by: dlsterner on February 20, 2021, 11:23:52 PM
Quote from: skluth on February 20, 2021, 04:31:07 PM
Wisconsin and Michigan - only two states where residents hold up one hand then use the other hand to point out on the first hand what part of the state they're from
You can do that with West Virginia as well, although some people might be offended by the resultant hand gesture.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: roadman65 on February 20, 2021, 11:41:44 PM
Post by: roadman65 on February 20, 2021, 11:41:44 PM
Michigan and North Carolina use diamond shields for their state routes.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Flint1979 on February 21, 2021, 07:36:13 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on February 21, 2021, 07:36:13 AM
Quote from: kphoger on February 20, 2021, 10:32:48 PMYeah for the U.P. you have to get your thumb as the Keweenaw Peninsula.Quote from: skluth on February 20, 2021, 07:36:58 PMQuote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2021, 06:39:39 PMQuote from: skluth on February 20, 2021, 04:31:07 PM
Wisconsin and Michigan - only two states where residents hold up one hand then use the other hand to point out on the first hand what part of the state they're from
Never heard anyone from Wisconsin doing that.
I grew up in Green Bay. We regularly did that. It was only when we went camping in the UP that I discovered Michigan residents also do this.
In the UP, they do it three-handed! The first hand represents the lower peninsula, for context. Then the second hand goes above and to the side, representing the upper peninsula. Then the first hand turns into the pointer to identify the exact location in the UP.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: GaryV on February 21, 2021, 07:39:46 AM
Post by: GaryV on February 21, 2021, 07:39:46 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 21, 2021, 07:36:13 AMIt works, but you have to break your pinky to represent the Menominee area correctly.Quote from: kphoger on February 20, 2021, 10:32:48 PMYeah for the U.P. you have to get your thumb as the Keweenaw Peninsula.Quote from: skluth on February 20, 2021, 07:36:58 PMQuote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2021, 06:39:39 PMQuote from: skluth on February 20, 2021, 04:31:07 PM
Wisconsin and Michigan - only two states where residents hold up one hand then use the other hand to point out on the first hand what part of the state they're from
Never heard anyone from Wisconsin doing that.
I grew up in Green Bay. We regularly did that. It was only when we went camping in the UP that I discovered Michigan residents also do this.
In the UP, they do it three-handed! The first hand represents the lower peninsula, for context. Then the second hand goes above and to the side, representing the upper peninsula. Then the first hand turns into the pointer to identify the exact location in the UP.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: JayhawkCO on February 21, 2021, 08:03:21 AM
Post by: JayhawkCO on February 21, 2021, 08:03:21 AM
From my other thread...
California & Wyoming - The only two states with a state highway having the highest traffic volume in the state, as opposed to an interstate or U.S. highway. (Not including Alaska due to the unsigned interstates.)
Chris
California & Wyoming - The only two states with a state highway having the highest traffic volume in the state, as opposed to an interstate or U.S. highway. (Not including Alaska due to the unsigned interstates.)
Chris
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on February 21, 2021, 08:58:30 AM
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on February 21, 2021, 08:58:30 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 15, 2021, 12:16:57 PMcolorado has at least two, one at us-85/i-76 and one at us-40/i-70 near empire..Quote from: OCGuy81 on January 15, 2021, 12:12:45 PMNot sure if it's every interchange, but I found some (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9537885,-117.7533809,3a,34y,212.84h,85.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSao03aXIb7Wrx5oPcKbx-Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)Nevada (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5274291,-119.7823611,3a,78.2y,230.98h,88.06t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1ssJXCnaUTYZrXzy_p31Riww!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DsJXCnaUTYZrXzy_p31Riww%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D347.83368%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)examples (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1261402,-115.1812948,3a,56y,197.45h,87.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s94swcNZEX5WO9V1eBLMOYw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
I might be wrong on this but here goes.
CA and WA: only two states that use Freeway Entrance signage at every interchange.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Flint1979 on February 21, 2021, 09:13:33 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on February 21, 2021, 09:13:33 AM
Quote from: GaryV on February 21, 2021, 07:39:46 AMIt's hard to do. The Lower Peninsula is much easier lol.Quote from: Flint1979 on February 21, 2021, 07:36:13 AMIt works, but you have to break your pinky to represent the Menominee area correctly.Quote from: kphoger on February 20, 2021, 10:32:48 PMYeah for the U.P. you have to get your thumb as the Keweenaw Peninsula.Quote from: skluth on February 20, 2021, 07:36:58 PMQuote from: Flint1979 on February 20, 2021, 06:39:39 PMQuote from: skluth on February 20, 2021, 04:31:07 PM
Wisconsin and Michigan - only two states where residents hold up one hand then use the other hand to point out on the first hand what part of the state they're from
Never heard anyone from Wisconsin doing that.
I grew up in Green Bay. We regularly did that. It was only when we went camping in the UP that I discovered Michigan residents also do this.
In the UP, they do it three-handed! The first hand represents the lower peninsula, for context. Then the second hand goes above and to the side, representing the upper peninsula. Then the first hand turns into the pointer to identify the exact location in the UP.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: webny99 on February 21, 2021, 10:46:14 AM
Post by: webny99 on February 21, 2021, 10:46:14 AM
As just mentioned (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=28589.msg2574830#msg2574830) in the "Best speed limits in states you've driven in" thread: Idaho and Pennsylvania are the only states that have egregious definitions of "urban areas" and notoriously set speed limits too low within said areas.
At least, I think those are the only two, unless I'm missing any.
At least, I think those are the only two, unless I'm missing any.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jakeroot on February 21, 2021, 03:25:22 PM
Post by: jakeroot on February 21, 2021, 03:25:22 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 21, 2021, 10:46:14 AM
As just mentioned (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=28589.msg2574830#msg2574830) in the "Best speed limits in states you've driven in" thread: Idaho and Pennsylvania are the only states that have egregious definitions of "urban areas" and notoriously set speed limits too low within said areas.
At least, I think those are the only two, unless I'm missing any.
I don't think WA strictly defines which areas are urban and which are rural, although there are urban and rural limits for freeways. There are definitely some examples of freeways being posted below what would be expected. I-5 south of Seattle (https://goo.gl/maps/DjPQEbfSa554cUJA7) and WA-18 east of Auburn (https://goo.gl/maps/iakpqs2FA5EV33Gs9) are both well designed non-urban freeways (not necessarily rural) with well-spaced interchanges, yet both have an urban limit. Traffic normally moves on both well over the 60mph posted limit, so I think WSDOT may need to either invest in some variable limits, or raise it to 70.
Edit: before I go off-topic, are you referring to not just an egregious definition of an urban area, but also very low limits within said area? Because although I think WSDOT goes a bit too far with their urban limits, I don't think the limits are too low. Not least compared to Oregon or something.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Occidental Tourist on February 21, 2021, 09:27:15 PM
Post by: Occidental Tourist on February 21, 2021, 09:27:15 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on February 21, 2021, 08:03:21 AMFor California, is that SR 60?
From my other thread...
California & Wyoming - The only two states with a state highway having the highest traffic volume in the state, as opposed to an interstate or U.S. highway. (Not including Alaska due to the unsigned interstates.)
Chris
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: webny99 on February 21, 2021, 10:20:00 PM
Post by: webny99 on February 21, 2021, 10:20:00 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 21, 2021, 03:25:22 PM
Edit: before I go off-topic, are you referring to not just an egregious definition of an urban area, but also very low limits within said area? Because although I think WSDOT goes a bit too far with their urban limits, I don't think the limits are too low. Not least compared to Oregon or something.
Yes, I'm referring to the combination of low urban limits and excessively broad definitions of an urban area. The aforementioned section of I-90 in PA certainly meets both of those criteria, and from what I can tell, so does I-15 through Pocatello (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8841775,-112.4289354,3a,75y,322.91h,90.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sS1S6U8qYFcET24YlIcTnuw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) (of course, 65 mph is reasonable by Northeast standards, but if they can sign 80 mph on other sections of I-15, there's no reason why they can't there as well).
Quote from: jakeroot on February 21, 2021, 03:25:22 PM
WA-18 east of Auburn (https://goo.gl/maps/iakpqs2FA5EV33Gs9)
A bit off-topic myself here... but any particular reason why that stretch is three lanes eastbound and only two westbound?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: JayhawkCO on February 21, 2021, 10:46:36 PM
Post by: JayhawkCO on February 21, 2021, 10:46:36 PM
Quote from: Occidental Tourist on February 21, 2021, 09:27:15 PMQuote from: jayhawkco on February 21, 2021, 08:03:21 AMFor California, is that SR 60?
From my other thread...
California & Wyoming - The only two states with a state highway having the highest traffic volume in the state, as opposed to an interstate or U.S. highway. (Not including Alaska due to the unsigned interstates.)
Chris
Yes indeed.
Chris
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: OCGuy81 on February 22, 2021, 05:57:48 PM
Post by: OCGuy81 on February 22, 2021, 05:57:48 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on February 21, 2021, 10:46:36 PMQuote from: Occidental Tourist on February 21, 2021, 09:27:15 PMQuote from: jayhawkco on February 21, 2021, 08:03:21 AMFor California, is that SR 60?
From my other thread...
California & Wyoming - The only two states with a state highway having the highest traffic volume in the state, as opposed to an interstate or U.S. highway. (Not including Alaska due to the unsigned interstates.)
Chris
Yes indeed.
Chris
Interesting. I'd have guessed the 91.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Road Hog on February 22, 2021, 06:27:41 PM
Post by: Road Hog on February 22, 2021, 06:27:41 PM
Arkansas and Kansas are the only two states whose last six letters end in – KANSAS.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: I-55 on February 22, 2021, 09:04:30 PM
Post by: I-55 on February 22, 2021, 09:04:30 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on February 22, 2021, 06:27:41 PM
Arkansas and Kansas are the only two states whose last six letters end in – KANSAS.
Because they sound different, some lady is confusion.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: bassoon1986 on February 22, 2021, 10:38:25 PM
Post by: bassoon1986 on February 22, 2021, 10:38:25 PM
TN and MS
Only two states with 3 sets of consecutive double letters in their name.
iPhone
Only two states with 3 sets of consecutive double letters in their name.
iPhone
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on February 23, 2021, 10:21:33 AM
Post by: kphoger on February 23, 2021, 10:21:33 AM
Quote from: I-55 on February 22, 2021, 09:04:30 PM
Because they sound different, some lady is confusion.
Other lady is clarity.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on February 23, 2021, 10:23:55 AM
Post by: kphoger on February 23, 2021, 10:23:55 AM
Quote from: bassoon1986 on February 22, 2021, 10:38:25 PM
TN and MS
Only two states with 3 sets of consecutive double letters in their name.
Consecutive? I think not.
T E N N E S S E E
M I S S I S S I P P I
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: frankenroad on February 23, 2021, 02:05:41 PM
Post by: frankenroad on February 23, 2021, 02:05:41 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 23, 2021, 10:23:55 AMQuote from: bassoon1986 on February 22, 2021, 10:38:25 PM
TN and MS
Only two states with 3 sets of consecutive double letters in their name.
Consecutive? I think not.
T E N N E S S E E
M I S S I S S I P P I
bassoon1986 said three sets of consecutive double letters, NOT three consecutive sets of double letters. What Basson1986 said is correct.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: webny99 on February 23, 2021, 02:16:21 PM
Post by: webny99 on February 23, 2021, 02:16:21 PM
Quote from: frankenroad on February 23, 2021, 02:05:41 PMQuote from: kphoger on February 23, 2021, 10:23:55 AMQuote from: bassoon1986 on February 22, 2021, 10:38:25 PM
TN and MS
Only two states with 3 sets of consecutive double letters in their name.
Consecutive? I think not.
T E N N E S S E E
M I S S I S S I P P I
bassoon1986 said three sets of consecutive double letters, NOT three consecutive sets of double letters. What Basson1986 said is correct.
Yes, but then doesn't that make "consecutive" and "double" redundant?
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on February 23, 2021, 02:28:25 PM
Post by: kphoger on February 23, 2021, 02:28:25 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 23, 2021, 02:16:21 PMQuote from: frankenroad on February 23, 2021, 02:05:41 PMQuote from: kphoger on February 23, 2021, 10:23:55 AMQuote from: bassoon1986 on February 22, 2021, 10:38:25 PM
TN and MS
Only two states with 3 sets of consecutive double letters in their name.
Consecutive? I think not.
T E N N E S S E E
M I S S I S S I P P I
bassoon1986 said three sets of consecutive double letters, NOT three consecutive sets of double letters. What Basson1986 said is correct.
Yes, but then doesn't that make "consecutive" and "double" redundant?
Exactly what I was thinking. What other kinds of "double letters" are there, other than consecutive ones? But yes, I do see the grammatical difference now, which I didn't see earlier.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 02:40:16 PM
Post by: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 02:40:16 PM
Not sure if this one was posted, but:
Maine and Nebraska, the only states that don't use the "winner take all" approach to their electoral votes.
Maine and Nebraska, the only states that don't use the "winner take all" approach to their electoral votes.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jakeroot on February 23, 2021, 07:44:22 PM
Post by: jakeroot on February 23, 2021, 07:44:22 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 21, 2021, 10:20:00 PMQuote from: jakeroot on February 21, 2021, 03:25:22 PM
WA-18 east of Auburn (https://goo.gl/maps/iakpqs2FA5EV33Gs9)
A bit off-topic myself here... but any particular reason why that stretch is three lanes eastbound and only two westbound?
Combination of a truck-climbing lane (main reason), and WSDOT's propensity to end lanes after an exit with a merge, rather than an exit-only lane.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: roadman65 on February 23, 2021, 07:50:24 PM
Post by: roadman65 on February 23, 2021, 07:50:24 PM
Up until Oregon allowed self serve gas both NJ and OR were the only two states to have full serve gas.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on February 23, 2021, 07:51:38 PM
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on February 23, 2021, 07:51:38 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 23, 2021, 07:50:24 PM
Up until Oregon allowed self serve gas both NJ and OR were the only two states to have full serve gas.
OR's law is so strict it's basically still full serve. If anyone lives within a 500-mile radius of the gas station in question, self serve is still banned.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: bassoon1986 on February 23, 2021, 08:51:03 PM
Post by: bassoon1986 on February 23, 2021, 08:51:03 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 23, 2021, 02:28:25 PMI thought if I just said double letters I'd have all the snarky people on the forum saying things like "North Dakota has 2 A's, 2 O's, and 2 T's."Quote from: webny99 on February 23, 2021, 02:16:21 PMQuote from: frankenroad on February 23, 2021, 02:05:41 PMQuote from: kphoger on February 23, 2021, 10:23:55 AMQuote from: bassoon1986 on February 22, 2021, 10:38:25 PM
TN and MS
Only two states with 3 sets of consecutive double letters in their name.
Consecutive? I think not.
T E N N E S S E E
M I S S I S S I P P I
bassoon1986 said three sets of consecutive double letters, NOT three consecutive sets of double letters. What Basson1986 said is correct.
Yes, but then doesn't that make "consecutive" and "double" redundant?
Exactly what I was thinking. What other kinds of "double letters" are there, other than consecutive ones? But yes, I do see the grammatical difference now, which I didn't see earlier.
iPhone
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Scott5114 on February 23, 2021, 10:33:29 PM
Post by: Scott5114 on February 23, 2021, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 23, 2021, 02:28:25 PM
Exactly what I was thinking. What other kinds of "double letters" are there, other than consecutive ones?
Æ, Å', ß
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 10:48:33 PM
Post by: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 10:48:33 PM
Nevada and Alaska.
Only two states that have their largest cities not connected via an Interstate
Only two states that have their largest cities not connected via an Interstate
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ran4sh on February 23, 2021, 10:50:20 PM
Post by: ran4sh on February 23, 2021, 10:50:20 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 10:48:33 PM
Nevada and Alaska.
Only two states that have their largest cities not connected via an Interstate
Las Vegas is on I-15
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 10:54:26 PM
Post by: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 10:54:26 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on February 23, 2021, 10:50:20 PMQuote from: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 10:48:33 PM
Nevada and Alaska.
Only two states that have their largest cities not connected via an Interstate
Las Vegas is on I-15
I should've worded that different.
Only states where the two largest cities (Reno and LV) not connected to each other via an interstate
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 10:56:48 PM
Post by: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 10:56:48 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on February 23, 2021, 07:50:24 PM
Up until Oregon allowed self serve gas both NJ and OR were the only two states to have full serve gas.
Ever since I moved to Oregon, I've wondered the rationale between not being able to pump your own gas. Sometimes it's really annoying waiting on the attendant to "unhook" me. (First world problems)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: jakeroot on February 23, 2021, 11:13:48 PM
Post by: jakeroot on February 23, 2021, 11:13:48 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 10:56:48 PMQuote from: roadman65 on February 23, 2021, 07:50:24 PM
Up until Oregon allowed self serve gas both NJ and OR were the only two states to have full serve gas.
Ever since I moved to Oregon, I've wondered the rationale between not being able to pump your own gas. Sometimes it's really annoying waiting on the attendant to "unhook" me. (First world problems)
My only issue with Oregon has been the number of unused pumps. I'll go to Costco near PDX, and half the pumps are closed and the line enormous as there's not enough attendants.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Flint1979 on February 24, 2021, 08:04:17 AM
Post by: Flint1979 on February 24, 2021, 08:04:17 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 10:54:26 PMDelaware as well.Quote from: ran4sh on February 23, 2021, 10:50:20 PMQuote from: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 10:48:33 PM
Nevada and Alaska.
Only two states that have their largest cities not connected via an Interstate
Las Vegas is on I-15
I should've worded that different.
Only states where the two largest cities (Reno and LV) not connected to each other via an interstate
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: hotdogPi on February 24, 2021, 08:25:11 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on February 24, 2021, 08:25:11 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on February 24, 2021, 08:04:17 AMQuote from: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 10:54:26 PMDelaware as well.Quote from: ran4sh on February 23, 2021, 10:50:20 PMQuote from: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 10:48:33 PM
Nevada and Alaska.
Only two states that have their largest cities not connected via an Interstate
Las Vegas is on I-15
I should've worded that different.
Only states where the two largest cities (Reno and LV) not connected to each other via an interstate
Interestingly, the second largest city in Alaska keeps changing. In 2000, it was Juneau. In 2010, it was Fairbanks. The 2019 estimate puts it back in Juneau, with Fairbanks losing population since 2010 in absolute numbers. Fairbanks is connected to Anchorage via unsigned Interstate, but Juneau is not.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on February 24, 2021, 10:46:20 AM
Post by: kphoger on February 24, 2021, 10:46:20 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 23, 2021, 10:33:29 PMQuote from: kphoger on February 23, 2021, 02:28:25 PM
Exactly what I was thinking. What other kinds of "double letters" are there, other than consecutive ones?
Æ, Å', ß
W :awesomeface:
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: JoePCool14 on February 24, 2021, 10:55:21 AM
Post by: JoePCool14 on February 24, 2021, 10:55:21 AM
Quote from: kphoger on February 24, 2021, 10:46:20 AMQuote from: Scott5114 on February 23, 2021, 10:33:29 PMQuote from: kphoger on February 23, 2021, 02:28:25 PM
Exactly what I was thinking. What other kinds of "double letters" are there, other than consecutive ones?
Æ, Å', ß
W :awesomeface:
m :bigass:
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: StogieGuy7 on February 24, 2021, 11:16:45 AM
Post by: StogieGuy7 on February 24, 2021, 11:16:45 AM
Quote from: 1 on February 24, 2021, 08:25:11 AMQuote from: Flint1979 on February 24, 2021, 08:04:17 AMQuote from: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 10:54:26 PMDelaware as well.Quote from: ran4sh on February 23, 2021, 10:50:20 PMQuote from: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 10:48:33 PM
Nevada and Alaska.
Only two states that have their largest cities not connected via an Interstate
Las Vegas is on I-15
I should've worded that different.
Only states where the two largest cities (Reno and LV) not connected to each other via an interstate
Interestingly, the second largest city in Alaska keeps changing. In 2000, it was Juneau. In 2010, it was Fairbanks. The 2019 estimate puts it back in Juneau, with Fairbanks losing population since 2010 in absolute numbers. Fairbanks is connected to Anchorage via unsigned Interstate, but Juneau is not.
Juneau's competitiveness with Fairbanks for the #2 spot is only possible because the city and borough of Juneau is one entity. Fairbanks only counts what's within the city limits; there is a much larger population in the remainder of the North Star Borough, whereas the Juneau "metro" is all within the city limits. In other words, Fairbanks is a much more populous metropolitan area, Juneau is only #2 because of this "quirk" that they annexed the entire borough within which they are located. This is much like Jacksonville (Duval Co.) or Virginia Beach (Princess Anne Co.), only there is basically wilderness outside of Juneau. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Juneau,+AK/@58.4479638,-135.2585425,8.5z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x5400de6c6f6a3a8f:0x65ef25aae69f311!8m2!3d58.3019444!4d-134.4197221 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Juneau,+AK/@58.4479638,-135.2585425,8.5z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x5400de6c6f6a3a8f:0x65ef25aae69f311!8m2!3d58.3019444!4d-134.4197221)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: kphoger on February 24, 2021, 11:17:35 AM
Post by: kphoger on February 24, 2021, 11:17:35 AM
But the letter M does not derive from N.
Æ, Å', ß, and W are all 'double' letters: AE, OE, ſs, and VV.
Æ, Å', ß, and W are all 'double' letters: AE, OE, ſs, and VV.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Flint1979 on February 24, 2021, 07:46:07 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on February 24, 2021, 07:46:07 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 24, 2021, 08:25:11 AMWith Delaware, Newark isn't too much smaller than Dover and Newark is within the Wilmington metro area where Dover is not. So I guess with Fairbanks and Anchorage it would exist.Quote from: Flint1979 on February 24, 2021, 08:04:17 AMQuote from: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 10:54:26 PMDelaware as well.Quote from: ran4sh on February 23, 2021, 10:50:20 PMQuote from: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 10:48:33 PM
Nevada and Alaska.
Only two states that have their largest cities not connected via an Interstate
Las Vegas is on I-15
I should've worded that different.
Only states where the two largest cities (Reno and LV) not connected to each other via an interstate
Interestingly, the second largest city in Alaska keeps changing. In 2000, it was Juneau. In 2010, it was Fairbanks. The 2019 estimate puts it back in Juneau, with Fairbanks losing population since 2010 in absolute numbers. Fairbanks is connected to Anchorage via unsigned Interstate, but Juneau is not.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Flint1979 on February 24, 2021, 07:52:07 PM
Post by: Flint1979 on February 24, 2021, 07:52:07 PM
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on February 24, 2021, 11:16:45 AMFairbanks North Star Borough is about the size of New Jersey in area while Juneau in area is a little bigger than Delaware in area. So it's about 3 or 4 times bigger in area.Quote from: 1 on February 24, 2021, 08:25:11 AMQuote from: Flint1979 on February 24, 2021, 08:04:17 AMQuote from: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 10:54:26 PMDelaware as well.Quote from: ran4sh on February 23, 2021, 10:50:20 PMQuote from: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 10:48:33 PM
Nevada and Alaska.
Only two states that have their largest cities not connected via an Interstate
Las Vegas is on I-15
I should've worded that different.
Only states where the two largest cities (Reno and LV) not connected to each other via an interstate
Interestingly, the second largest city in Alaska keeps changing. In 2000, it was Juneau. In 2010, it was Fairbanks. The 2019 estimate puts it back in Juneau, with Fairbanks losing population since 2010 in absolute numbers. Fairbanks is connected to Anchorage via unsigned Interstate, but Juneau is not.
Juneau's competitiveness with Fairbanks for the #2 spot is only possible because the city and borough of Juneau is one entity. Fairbanks only counts what's within the city limits; there is a much larger population in the remainder of the North Star Borough, whereas the Juneau "metro" is all within the city limits. In other words, Fairbanks is a much more populous metropolitan area, Juneau is only #2 because of this "quirk" that they annexed the entire borough within which they are located. This is much like Jacksonville (Duval Co.) or Virginia Beach (Princess Anne Co.), only there is basically wilderness outside of Juneau. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Juneau,+AK/@58.4479638,-135.2585425,8.5z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x5400de6c6f6a3a8f:0x65ef25aae69f311!8m2!3d58.3019444!4d-134.4197221 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Juneau,+AK/@58.4479638,-135.2585425,8.5z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x5400de6c6f6a3a8f:0x65ef25aae69f311!8m2!3d58.3019444!4d-134.4197221)
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Revive 755 on April 17, 2021, 10:51:54 PM
Post by: Revive 755 on April 17, 2021, 10:51:54 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 18, 2021, 10:35:50 PMQuote from: Revive 755 on January 18, 2021, 10:33:35 PM
Could have sworn that I saw the IH abbreviation on a sign or message board in Wisconsin.
Wisconsin would call everything "highway X" with no prefix.
As of today there are at least three temporary orange text construction signs using IH in Wisconsin:
* WB US 12 prior to I-43 (for construction on SB I-43)
* At least two in the Milwaukee area using IH 41 - US 45 for the construction north of the Zoo Interchange.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: Big John on April 17, 2021, 10:59:25 PM
Post by: Big John on April 17, 2021, 10:59:25 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on April 17, 2021, 10:51:54 PMWisDOT highway plans officially uses "IH" for interstate highway. They aren't seen in the field besides contractor error or in this case, misdesign of the orange signs.Quote from: cl94 on January 18, 2021, 10:35:50 PMQuote from: Revive 755 on January 18, 2021, 10:33:35 PM
Could have sworn that I saw the IH abbreviation on a sign or message board in Wisconsin.
Wisconsin would call everything "highway X" with no prefix.
As of today there are at least three temporary orange text construction signs using IH in Wisconsin:
* WB US 12 prior to I-43 (for construction on SB I-43)
* At least two in the Milwaukee area using IH 41 - US 45 for the construction north of the Zoo Interchange.
Title: Re: Only in these two states...
Post by: ctkatz on April 19, 2021, 10:05:56 AM
Post by: ctkatz on April 19, 2021, 10:05:56 AM
california and nevada
the only two to sign mile markers on the county level on the interstates.
the only two to sign mile markers on the county level on the interstates.