Do you know any adults who have never been outside their home state? I imagine that if somebody were from Alaska, Hawaii and parts of Texas and California and Florida, they might have never visited another state. I have heard that some NYC residents have never left the city. That is crazy to me.
Yes, a person who worked for me in Florida never had left the state in her entire life. She was in her late 20s and had never been further north than Daytona. My understanding was that money had always been a problem and travel was never something that could facilitated, even out of state.
No one that I know personally. I can't imagine doing that, it's gotta be depressing.
Not everybody who hasn't visited Florida can appreciate how big it is. It's over 800 driving miles between Pensacola and Key West. If you are driving from the northeast to south Florida, don't think that you are almost there, because you have a long way to go.
I knew a girl in Minnesota who never had and Wisconsin was 20 minutes away but that was back when she was 16
I knew a guy who didn't leave his state until he was 23, though he has never learned to drive.
I know quite a few people who never left their home state. I thought it was pretty common to tell you the truth.
I worked with a woman who grew up in NYC, but I don't believe she had ever left the state (we worked upstate). She was two years away from retirement and as we were talking about road trips, she asked us how to go on one -- like how to find hotels and gas stations and the like.
I really don't think she even made it to NJ or any neighboring state.
When Katrina hit, that was the first time a lot of people from the 9th Ward and similar areas had ever left New Orleans, much less Louisiana.
There are also Chicagoans who, believe it or not, have never even left Illinois.
I know some people that don't ever leave Saginaw County let alone the State of Michigan.
Quote from: bugo on January 15, 2021, 11:19:01 PM
Not everybody who hasn't visited Florida can appreciate how big it is. It's over 800 driving miles between Pensacola and Key West. If you are driving from the northeast to south Florida, don't think that you are almost there, because you have a long way to go.
The 900 mile drive from Texline, Texas to Brownsville, Texas is a pretty long haul.
Growing up, at least half our class trips involved going to Philly from NJ which was less than 1/2 hour away, so that give you a sense of the likelihood of anyone in my general area not having left the state in their life.
Later here in life, reading comments on public news websites, it makes me wonder if some of those people have ever left NJ though!
Maybe some in rural states in the west where you grow up in ruralness and have no reason to depend on other regions you find a lot of people who never leave.
Growing up 10 miles from the NH border, I didn't know anyone who never left Massachusetts. A friend of mine that grew up in Somerville and moved to my town at 13 years old never left the state until going into NH shortly after moving closer to it. He had never been to Maine, Vermont, or Quebec until age 18, and that was with me.
Can't say I do, considering I've lived in CT and we had school field trips to NYC and Boston that would disqualify all my schoolmates. I've been to FL with almost all members of my family, and many of my current friends live out of state and have traveled often. The closest I could say would be my grandfather. He did serve in WWII, but I don't think he left CT more than twice in the last 30 years of his life, and both times it was with me to go to NYC to the VA hospital.
Quote from: bugo on January 15, 2021, 09:59:05 PM
Do you know any adults who have never been outside their home state? I imagine that if somebody were from Alaska, Hawaii and parts of Texas and California and Florida, they might have never visited another state. I have heard that some NYC residents have never left the city. That is crazy to me.
California in my case basically everybody I know of have lived in other states or lived in other countries but thats my sample though since I live Halfway from Sacramento and San Francisco. The recent attention of people leaving California for other states just seem to enforce that.
The short answer for me is No, although I did have some peers in high school that had never been on a plane which I found bizarre.
For NYC, my estimate would be as follows:
25% have never left the city
25% have been to Jersey, Connecticut, or both, but never been north of the 42nd parallel
25% go upstate every summer to the Catskills or Adirondacks
25% have lived and/or traveled outside the Northeast
Quote from: bing101 on January 16, 2021, 01:16:51 PM
Quote from: bugo on January 15, 2021, 09:59:05 PM
Do you know any adults who have never been outside their home state? I imagine that if somebody were from Alaska, Hawaii and parts of Texas and California and Florida, they might have never visited another state. I have heard that some NYC residents have never left the city. That is crazy to me.
California in my case basically everybody I know of have lived in other states or lived in other countries but thats my sample though since I live Halfway from Sacramento and San Francisco. The recent attention of people leaving California for other states just seem to enforce that.
I had an employee that worked for me in Arizona who was a California native. The first time he stepped out of California was when he was 28 and moved to Arizona.
In Charleston it is actually decently common, especially among the Black community. I know more than a few folks who never have gone outside of the Charleston area (James Island/John's Island/Downtown) well into their 20s. It all depends on money. A lot of folks don't have a car and going to areas more than a couple of miles away through the bus system is a trek.
I know folks who have never even been to some of the more suburban areas like Summerville from James Island.
It is probably the majority in some of the rural counties of South Carolina. There are rural counties like Williamsburg and Allendale where for a large chunk of the population, they might go to the major city once or twice in a year and that is it. Then I know of others who drive 50 miles+ just to shop in North Charleston and Charleston.
Since I live in the DC area, it would be exceptionally unusual to find someone who's never been across state lines, even just from DC to Maryland or Virginia (or vice versa). With that said, in the summer of 2019 I worked with a fellow who clearly didn't get out much–he was adamant, completely certain, that there is no speed limit anywhere in the USA higher than 55 mph. (Based on his mannerisms and other things he said, I concluded he actually believed that and wasn't just trying to troll us.) I therefore wouldn't be surprised to hear that he had never left DC, especially seeing as how there was a 65-mph speed limit immediately across the river in the I-395 express lanes beginning near the Pentagon (now a variable speed limit zone usually posted at 65).
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 16, 2021, 09:17:58 PM
Quote from: bing101 on January 16, 2021, 01:16:51 PM
Quote from: bugo on January 15, 2021, 09:59:05 PM
Do you know any adults who have never been outside their home state? I imagine that if somebody were from Alaska, Hawaii and parts of Texas and California and Florida, they might have never visited another state. I have heard that some NYC residents have never left the city. That is crazy to me.
California in my case basically everybody I know of have lived in other states or lived in other countries but thats my sample though since I live Halfway from Sacramento and San Francisco. The recent attention of people leaving California for other states just seem to enforce that.
I had an employee that worked for me in Arizona who was a California native. The first time he stepped out of California was when he was 28 and moved to Arizona.
Yes I seen articles where Arizona and Nevada are named as states where ex-California residents go to for retirement reasons. But that is being covered up with articles CEO's and boards of Venture Capitalists companies and "Tech Companies" from the Bay Area moving their management offices to Texas for corporate tax reasons.
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 17, 2021, 08:17:40 AM
Since I live in the DC area, it would be exceptionally unusual to find someone who's never been across state lines, even just from DC to Maryland or Virginia (or vice versa). With that said, in the summer of 2019 I worked with a fellow who clearly didn't get out much–he was adamant, completely certain, that there is no speed limit anywhere in the USA higher than 55 mph. (Based on his mannerisms and other things he said, I concluded he actually believed that and wasn't just trying to troll us.) I therefore wouldn't be surprised to hear that he had never left DC, especially seeing as how there was a 65-mph speed limit immediately across the river in the I-395 express lanes beginning near the Pentagon (now a variable speed limit zone usually posted at 65).
I hope you showed him a photo of an 85 MPH sign from TX-130.
Quote from: Brandon on January 16, 2021, 07:30:33 AM
There are also Chicagoans who, believe it or not, have never even left Illinois.
Perhaps even more surprising: Back in the 1980s, my family people in Joliet who had never been to Chicago.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 16, 2021, 10:54:49 AM
Maybe some in rural states in the west where you grow up in ruralness and have no reason to depend on other regions you find a lot of people who never leave.
Not to get back into the topic of what counts as the West and what counts as the Midwest... But I grew up in rural northwestern Kansas, 29 miles from the nearest stoplight, and very few people had never left the state. If anything, living in a rural area makes one even more dependent on other regions.
Want to buy a specific model of car? There's a good chance you're going out of state.
Need to visit a specialist that's not available at your town's hospital? There's a good chance you're going out of state.
Need to pick someone up at the airport? There's a good chance you're going out of state.
Heck, my childhood orthodontist was in another state! (Granted, I lived in a county that bordered that state.)
An exception might be Montana, where people living in the rural eastern part of the state might would find the within-Montana big cities to all be more convenient than the out-of-state ones. That's just a guess on my part, though, as the only person I know in eastern Montana travels to and from the Twin Cities to visit family.
Quote from: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 11:41:59 AM
Not to get back into the topic of what counts as the West and what counts as the Midwest... But I grew up in rural northwestern Kansas, 29 miles from the nearest stoplight, and very few people had never left the state. If anything, living in a rural area makes one even more dependent on other regions.
Besides the obvious factor, which is proximity to a state line, I think it has to do with the culture and way of life in the area. Most people in the Midwest probably have been out of state: the Plains are boring, and getting groceries, or going to the airport, or going out for a day with the family requires driving to the nearest big city, which may or may not be in another state. Traveling is a part of the lifestyle there in a way that it isn't in parts of Appalachia and the Deep South.
(I just now noticed your signature. You were waiting for me to notice, weren't you?)
Quote from: webny99 on January 18, 2021, 03:38:03 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 11:41:59 AM
Not to get back into the topic of what counts as the West and what counts as the Midwest... But I grew up in rural northwestern Kansas, 29 miles from the nearest stoplight, and very few people had never left the state. If anything, living in a rural area makes one even more dependent on other regions.
Besides the obvious factor, which is proximity to a state line, I think it has to do with the culture and way of life in the area. Most people in the Midwest probably have been out of state: the Plains are boring, and getting groceries, or going to the airport, or going out for a day with the family requires driving to the nearest big city, which may or may not be in another state. Traveling is a part of the lifestyle there in a way that it isn't in parts of Appalachia and the Deep South.
But I was replying to the assertion that the rural West is where one would be
more likely to never leave the state. I don't doubt for a second what you're saying, because it agrees with what I was saying: that never leaving the state is actually
less likely in the rural West than in, say, Appalachia or the deep South.
And also... yes.
Quote from: kphoger on January 18, 2021, 03:41:17 PM
But I was replying to the assertion that the rural West is where one would be more likely to never leave the state. I don't doubt for a second what you're saying, because it agrees with what I was saying: that never leaving the state is actually less likely in the rural West than in, say, Appalachia or the deep South.
OK, gotcha. I thought you were contrasting a rural area to an urban one. But yes, there is also variance even within different types of rural areas.
I know someone that never even crossed into neighboring Kentucky or Indiana before despite being less than 25 miles from either border.
Quote from: webny99 on January 16, 2021, 01:29:32 PM
The short answer for me is No, although I did have some peers in high school that had never been on a plane which I found bizarre.
I didn't go on a plane until my early twenties; it helps to have a dad who was super afraid of heights and loved to drive everywhere.
Heck, going to college in the North Country, I knew people who would go to Canada whenever they needed to fly somewhere, since Montréal was closer and more economical than Syracuse.
Quote from: vdeane on January 18, 2021, 10:16:57 PM
Heck, going to college in the North Country, I knew people who would go to Canada whenever they needed to fly somewhere, since Montréal was closer and more economical than Syracuse.
Same in areas of northern MN, ND, and MT that are closer to a Canadian hub than an American one.
Then there's Buffalo, which doesn't have the airport issue, but I'd bet more people from the Buffalo area have been to Canada than PA.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 18, 2021, 02:01:22 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 17, 2021, 08:17:40 AM
Since I live in the DC area, it would be exceptionally unusual to find someone who's never been across state lines, even just from DC to Maryland or Virginia (or vice versa). With that said, in the summer of 2019 I worked with a fellow who clearly didn't get out much–he was adamant, completely certain, that there is no speed limit anywhere in the USA higher than 55 mph. (Based on his mannerisms and other things he said, I concluded he actually believed that and wasn't just trying to troll us.) I therefore wouldn't be surprised to hear that he had never left DC, especially seeing as how there was a 65-mph speed limit immediately across the river in the I-395 express lanes beginning near the Pentagon (now a variable speed limit zone usually posted at 65).
I hope you showed him a photo of an 85 MPH sign from TX-130.
I don't remember whether I did. The other colleagues who were present were as surprised as I was at his comment and we all piled on a bit.
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 19, 2021, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 18, 2021, 02:01:22 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 17, 2021, 08:17:40 AM
Since I live in the DC area, it would be exceptionally unusual to find someone who's never been across state lines, even just from DC to Maryland or Virginia (or vice versa). With that said, in the summer of 2019 I worked with a fellow who clearly didn't get out much–he was adamant, completely certain, that there is no speed limit anywhere in the USA higher than 55 mph. ...
I hope you showed him a photo of an 85 MPH sign from TX-130.
I don't remember whether I did. The other colleagues who were present were as surprised as I was at his comment and we all piled on a bit.
It's conceivable that he really could believe it if he hasn't done much traveling since 1995. Even so, wow.
Quote from: webny99 on January 19, 2021, 09:41:45 AM
Quote from: vdeane on January 18, 2021, 10:16:57 PM
Heck, going to college in the North Country, I knew people who would go to Canada whenever they needed to fly somewhere, since Montréal was closer and more economical than Syracuse.
Same in areas of northern MN, ND, and MT that are closer to a Canadian hub than an American one.
Then there's Buffalo, which doesn't have the airport issue, but I'd bet more people from the Buffalo area have been to Canada than PA.
Feel bad for people that feel they have to fly Air Canada...ouch in terms of prices.
Quote from: Rothman on January 19, 2021, 10:02:47 AM
Quote from: webny99 on January 19, 2021, 09:41:45 AM
Quote from: vdeane on January 18, 2021, 10:16:57 PM
Heck, going to college in the North Country, I knew people who would go to Canada whenever they needed to fly somewhere, since Montréal was closer and more economical than Syracuse.
Same in areas of northern MN, ND, and MT that are closer to a Canadian hub than an American one.
Then there's Buffalo, which doesn't have the airport issue, but I'd bet more people from the Buffalo area have been to Canada than PA.
Feel bad for people that feel they have to fly Air Canada...ouch in terms of prices.
The few times I flew in/out of Canada, I used WestJet. That was a long time ago now, though. Never used Air Canada.
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 19, 2021, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 18, 2021, 02:01:22 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 17, 2021, 08:17:40 AM
Since I live in the DC area, it would be exceptionally unusual to find someone who's never been across state lines, even just from DC to Maryland or Virginia (or vice versa). With that said, in the summer of 2019 I worked with a fellow who clearly didn't get out much–he was adamant, completely certain, that there is no speed limit anywhere in the USA higher than 55 mph. (Based on his mannerisms and other things he said, I concluded he actually believed that and wasn't just trying to troll us.) I therefore wouldn't be surprised to hear that he had never left DC, especially seeing as how there was a 65-mph speed limit immediately across the river in the I-395 express lanes beginning near the Pentagon (now a variable speed limit zone usually posted at 65).
I hope you showed him a photo of an 85 MPH sign from TX-130.
I don't remember whether I did. The other colleagues who were present were as surprised as I was at his comment and we all piled on a bit.
How could he have missed the nearby I-366, posted at 85 MPH? :bigass:
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 17, 2021, 08:17:40 AM
Since I live in the DC area, it would be exceptionally unusual to find someone who's never been across state lines, even just from DC to Maryland or Virginia (or vice versa). With that said, in the summer of 2019 I worked with a fellow who clearly didn't get out much–he was adamant, completely certain, that there is no speed limit anywhere in the USA higher than 55 mph. (Based on his mannerisms and other things he said, I concluded he actually believed that and wasn't just trying to troll us.) I therefore wouldn't be surprised to hear that he had never left DC, especially seeing as how there was a 65-mph speed limit immediately across the river in the I-395 express lanes beginning near the Pentagon (now a variable speed limit zone usually posted at 65).
When I lived in southern Illinois, I once told my co-workers that I got a speeding ticket for going 77 in a 65 zone while coming back through Kansas.
– Really? On the Interstate? I've never seen anyone pulled over for less than 80.
– No, not on the Interstate. On a two-lane highway.
– But you said the speed limit was 65.
– Yes, it was.
– But 65 is for Interstates.
– Not in Kansas.
– * mind blown *
Quote from: jmacswimmer on January 19, 2021, 10:06:22 AM
How could he have missed the nearby I-366, posted at 85 MPH?
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Not everyone likes to travel, and some people have no interest in what happens elsewhere, some people might not have the same sense of curiosity (or the means) that we seem to enjoy. I meet people who are afraid of flying all the time.
I've met two adults (though one much older than another) that claimed they'd never had a reason to leave their respective states. Both told me all their family members lived within a limited range and they had no interest in travel.
I asked one of them about a restaurant in a town 10-12 miles away, and he told me he'd only been to the town once decades ago and had no reason to return. Both lived/worked in towns which was near the center of the state.
I suppose there's a certain philosophy to that; if you're content and happy with what you know and where you are, why waste the time and money if there's no emotional return on the investment?
Quote from: formulanone on January 19, 2021, 12:03:13 PM
I suppose there's a certain philosophy to that; if you're content and happy with what you know and where you are, why waste the time and money if there's no emotional return on the investment?
The question is this: Is traveling to other places a benefit to one's life that he or she ought to pursue?
It's similar to the question of whether art, music, or sports should be an integral part of school even if a particular student doesn't really feel like engaging in them. Or the question of whether reading is beneficial to a person beyond the mere content consumed.
Quote from: kphoger on January 19, 2021, 12:11:07 PM
The question is this: Is traveling to other places a benefit to one's life that he or she ought to pursue?
I'm not sure there's an objective answer to that, but I'd certainly say yes. There's no better way to expand your horizons than by getting away from your usual circumstances.
Quote from: kphoger on January 19, 2021, 12:11:07 PM
... Or the question of whether reading is beneficial to a person beyond the mere content consumed.
OK, we're getting off-topic, but... I read so much when I was younger that I don't even enjoy it that much anymore. I can't even read individual words anymore, only whole sentences and paragraphs at a time. This makes it really hard to focus when trying to read anything longer than an article, email, or forum post.
Quote from: webny99 on January 19, 2021, 12:23:12 PM
I'm not sure there's an objective answer to that, but I'd certainly say yes. There's no better way to expand your horizons than by getting away from your usual circumstances.
I never expected an objective answer, only a subjective one. :-P
Mark Twain: "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime."
That said, while I don't know any personally, I'm sure there are many thousands (millions?) of babies born in the last few months that haven't left their home states.
Quote from: GaryV on January 19, 2021, 12:44:05 PM
That said, while I don't know any personally, I'm sure there are many thousands (millions?) of babies born in the last few months that haven't left their home states.
Which is also true of any other year.
I know people in the Columbia area who drive to Charlotte (55-85 miles away) just to go to the airport. Because Columbia's airport has very few direct flights outside of the major hubs. A few in the Augusta area (still in SC) drive all the way to ATL for flights.
Outside of Charleston and to a lesser extent Greenville/Spartanburg, Atlanta and Charlotte are the major options for a lot of SC travelers to fly out.
Being in a city right next to Illinois, I don't know anyone who has never left Missouri.
I live and grew up in a relatively upper-middle class area, and pretty much all my classmates have been outside of the province, so the first time I heard about people who never left the province was pretty surprising to me.
But I guess, people with less money have more important things to spend that money on than travel.
It can certainly depend on the era in which you lived. Travel is so much easier today than, say, 100 years ago.
No way to confirm this, but I can imagine people like my paternal grandparents (born 1887 and 1893) might have never left their state. They were simple people, and their families had all stayed in the same area for several generations. My grandmother never drove; not sure about my grandfather. I'm sure they never traveled anywhere by air. Quite possibly never anywhere by rail.
My grandmother used to tell of people in Cheboygan, Michigan, who had never seen the Mackinac Bridge. Now, it's 15 miles up US 23 to Mackinaw City, but you can see the silhouette of the bridge from Gordon Turner Park at the mouth of the Cheboygan River in the city, especially at sunset.
Quote from: webny99 on January 16, 2021, 01:29:32 PM
The short answer for me is No, although I did have some peers in high school that had never been on a plane which I found bizarre.
For NYC, my estimate would be as follows:
25% have never left the city
25% have been to Jersey, Connecticut, or both, but never been north of the 42nd parallel
25% go upstate every summer to the Catskills or Adirondacks
25% have lived and/or traveled outside the Northeast
I think the first 25% is a little too big
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 20, 2021, 11:51:18 AM
Quote from: webny99 on January 16, 2021, 01:29:32 PM
The short answer for me is No, although I did have some peers in high school that had never been on a plane which I found bizarre.
For NYC, my estimate would be as follows:
25% have never left the city
25% have been to Jersey, Connecticut, or both, but never been north of the 42nd parallel
25% go upstate every summer to the Catskills or Adirondacks
25% have lived and/or traveled outside the Northeast
I think the first 25% is a little too big
I think the whole distribution is off.
From Forbes Magazine, back in 2019...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lealane/2019/05/02/percentage-of-americans-who-never-traveled-beyond-the-state-where-they-were-born-a-surprise/
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 20, 2021, 03:15:05 PM
From Forbes Magazine, back in 2019...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lealane/2019/05/02/percentage-of-americans-who-never-traveled-beyond-the-state-where-they-were-born-a-surprise/
I surprised by how close together these two stats are:
-- Eleven percent of survey respondents have never traveled outside of the state where they were born.
-- As many as 13 percent say they have never flown in an airplane.
It seems like the numbers should be further apart than that, doesn't it?
When I first moved here to Mason City, I knew a guy who worked at the Casey's I regularly visit who had never left Iowa. Considering Minnesota is only 25 miles away as the crow flies, I found that hard to believe, but he had zero desire to travel and all his family is either here in town or to the south. He said he once went to the state fair in Des Moines and he had no desire to go back.
I know of a few people here in Texas who haven't. Mostly because they have never had any need to or haven't been able to take a trip. To be fair though, this is a huge state and there's plenty to see and do here. Hell I've only left the state once in the last 6 years.
I think here in Texas there are white a few people who have been to Mexico but never to another state.
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 20, 2021, 11:51:18 AM
Quote from: webny99 on January 16, 2021, 01:29:32 PM
The short answer for me is No, although I did have some peers in high school that had never been on a plane which I found bizarre.
For NYC, my estimate would be as follows:
25% have never left the city
25% have been to Jersey, Connecticut, or both, but never been north of the 42nd parallel
25% go upstate every summer to the Catskills or Adirondacks
25% have lived and/or traveled outside the Northeast
I think the first 25% is a little too big
Depends on sampling and district? But I agree the real numbers have to be something else if I were to get an unbiased survey on this thread.
After HI, AK, FL, CA, and TX, what state do you think has the 6th largest percentage? Utah, maybe?
Quote from: 1 on January 21, 2021, 10:09:29 AM
After HI, AK, FL, CA, and TX, what state do you think has the 6th largest percentage? Utah, maybe?
My initial thoughts would be a large state with a fairly large segment of people unable to travel much (a.k.a. poverty). So my immediate guesses would be Mississippi, Arkansas, Idaho, or Alabama. SD and NM might also be surprisingly high due to the size of the state and relatively large population of American Indians far away from the state borders. I actually think these states would be higher than FL and CA, which are bigger but wealthier (I would guess HI, AK, and TX would be top three).
Quote from: webny99 on January 16, 2021, 01:29:32 PM
The short answer for me is No, although I did have some peers in high school that had never been on a plane which I found bizarre.
For NYC, my estimate would be as follows:
25% have never left the city
25% have been to Jersey, Connecticut, or both, but never been north of the 42nd parallel
25% go upstate every summer to the Catskills or Adirondacks
25% have lived and/or traveled outside the Northeast
40% of NYC residents are foreign-born, so this has to be way off.
Quote from: 1 on January 21, 2021, 10:09:29 AM
After HI, AK, FL, CA, and TX, what state do you think has the 6th largest percentage? Utah, maybe?
Mormons go on missions...so, probably not.
Quote from: Rothman on January 21, 2021, 05:59:15 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 21, 2021, 10:09:29 AM
After HI, AK, FL, CA, and TX, what state do you think has the 6th largest percentage? Utah, maybe?
Mormons go on missions...so, probably not.
Even outside of missions, you'll be hard-pressed to find someone who hasn't been to at least one of Nevada, Idaho, or Colorado.
Quote from: dkblake on January 21, 2021, 03:45:12 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 21, 2021, 10:09:29 AM
After HI, AK, FL, CA, and TX, what state do you think has the 6th largest percentage? Utah, maybe?
My initial thoughts would be a large state with a fairly large segment of people unable to travel much (a.k.a. poverty). So my immediate guesses would be Mississippi, Arkansas, Idaho, or Alabama. SD and NM might also be surprisingly high due to the size of the state and relatively large population of American Indians far away from the state borders. I actually think these states would be higher than FL and CA, which are bigger but wealthier (I would guess HI, AK, and TX would be top three).
Along the same lines as SD and NM, I would have to think North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming would be up there because all three have Indian reservations far from the border and all 3 are low population states as well, as is South Dakota.
Quote from: Bruce on January 21, 2021, 05:18:46 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 16, 2021, 01:29:32 PM
For NYC, my estimate would be as follows:
25% have never left the city
25% have been to Jersey, Connecticut, or both, but never been north of the 42nd parallel
25% go upstate every summer to the Catskills or Adirondacks
25% have lived and/or traveled outside the Northeast
40% of NYC residents are foreign-born, so this has to be way off.
40%? That also seems high. But I was not being entirely serious with my numbers. Obviously, they're not all exactly 25%.
Quote from: DandyDan on January 22, 2021, 06:27:10 AM
Along the same lines as SD and NM, I would have to think North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming would be up there because all three have Indian reservations far from the border and all 3 are low population states as well, as is South Dakota.
Maybe Montana because it's so big, but probably not the other two. 2 of North Dakota's 3 largest cities are right on the Minnesota line, so it's a pretty easy guarantee that at least half of the population has been to Minnesota, and that's without even considering those who have been to Montana, South Dakota, and other states.
Similar situation in Wyoming with Cheyenne and Laramie being very near the Colorado border. You have to imagine most, if not all, people from those areas have been to Denver.
Quote from: webny99 on January 22, 2021, 11:01:03 AM
Quote from: Bruce on January 21, 2021, 05:18:46 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 16, 2021, 01:29:32 PM
For NYC, my estimate would be as follows:
25% have never left the city
25% have been to Jersey, Connecticut, or both, but never been north of the 42nd parallel
25% go upstate every summer to the Catskills or Adirondacks
25% have lived and/or traveled outside the Northeast
40% of NYC residents are foreign-born, so this has to be way off.
40%? That also seems high. But I was not being entirely serious with my numbers. Obviously, they're not all exactly 25%.
Keep in mind that the only reason NYC was growing for a while was because immigration was higher than domestic outmigration. Once immigration started to slow over the past few years, NYC started to shrink.
Quote from: webny99 on January 22, 2021, 11:01:03 AM
Quote from: Bruce on January 21, 2021, 05:18:46 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 16, 2021, 01:29:32 PM
For NYC, my estimate would be as follows:
25% have never left the city
25% have been to Jersey, Connecticut, or both, but never been north of the 42nd parallel
25% go upstate every summer to the Catskills or Adirondacks
25% have lived and/or traveled outside the Northeast
40% of NYC residents are foreign-born, so this has to be way off.
40%? That also seems high. But I was not being entirely serious with my numbers. Obviously, they're not all exactly 25%.
Not too far off, actually.
Here are the numbers according to city-data.com for both the city and the state:
(https://i.imgur.com/zkx3WZk.jpg)
Note that about 2 in 9 NYS residents are foreign-born.
Quote from: 1 on January 21, 2021, 10:09:29 AM
After HI, AK, FL, CA, and TX, what state do you think has the 6th largest percentage? Utah, maybe?
When I started at Louisiana St. one of the geography professors there stated that Louisiana had the highest population that never left their state. But that was before Katrina (and hurricane evacuation plans)
Quote from: 1 on January 21, 2021, 10:09:29 AM
After HI, AK, FL, CA, and TX, what state do you think has the 6th largest percentage? Utah, maybe?
Tough to say with Florida; there's a lot of people who have roots elsewhere, so you'd have to go rural agricultural areas or very poor areas to find those who'd never left the state.
Quote from: US 89 on January 21, 2021, 06:39:03 PM
Quote from: Rothman on January 21, 2021, 05:59:15 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 21, 2021, 10:09:29 AM
After HI, AK, FL, CA, and TX, what state do you think has the 6th largest percentage? Utah, maybe?
Mormons go on missions...so, probably not.
Even outside of missions, you'll be hard-pressed to find someone who hasn't been to at least one of Nevada, Idaho, or Colorado.
Just thought of this: Have a friend that went to Utah State. I forget which class it was, but a professor asked how many kids had been out of the region -- a lot of kids raised their hands. He then asked those who had only been outside of it due to Mormon missions to drop their hands and only a few hands were left up. Granted, this was in the late 1990s or early 2000s. Just an interesting dynamic out there.
And, for a few decades, Mormons have more strongly contended with the problem of not really leaving the "Mormon Bubble" (especially Utah County...) and really experiencing the country and other cultures, let alone the world. Lack of travel can lead to embarrassing ignorance...
After COVID we're probably going to have a lot of these types of people...
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 24, 2021, 01:53:28 PM
After COVID we're probably going to have a lot of these types of people...
If COVID lasted for many years, maybe. But if anything people will be even more anxious to travel after it's over... at least I will be.
Quote from: webny99 on January 25, 2021, 10:17:44 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 24, 2021, 01:53:28 PM
After COVID we're probably going to have a lot of these types of people...
If COVID lasted for many years, maybe. But if anything people will be even more anxious to travel after it's over... at least I will be.
Same here
Quote from: webny99 on January 25, 2021, 10:17:44 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 24, 2021, 01:53:28 PM
After COVID we're probably going to have a lot of these types of people...
If COVID lasted for many years, maybe. But if anything people will be even more anxious to travel after it's over... at least I will be.
And it's that anxiety that might lead people to avoid traveling. Or, wait, did you
mean (https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/can-anxious-be-used-to-mean-eager#:~:text=Anxious%2FEager%20%E2%80%93%20The%20distinction%20is,is%20keenly%20to%20desire%20something.&text=Anxious%20means%20uneasy%20or%20worried.) 'eager'? ;-)
Quote from: kphoger on January 25, 2021, 02:36:32 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 25, 2021, 10:17:44 AM
... But if anything people will be even more anxious to travel after it's over... at least I will be.
And it's that anxiety that might lead people to avoid traveling. Or, wait, did you mean (https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/can-anxious-be-used-to-mean-eager#:~:text=Anxious%2FEager%20%E2%80%93%20The%20distinction%20is,is%20keenly%20to%20desire%20something.&text=Anxious%20means%20uneasy%20or%20worried.) 'eager'? ;-)
I suppose, yes.
Fortunately, though, "whether you choose to retain the distinction between anxious and eager is entirely up to you".
Literally.
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 22, 2021, 08:49:58 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 21, 2021, 10:09:29 AM
After HI, AK, FL, CA, and TX, what state do you think has the 6th largest percentage? Utah, maybe?
When I started at Louisiana St. one of the geography professors there stated that Louisiana had the highest population that never left their state. But that was before Katrina (and hurricane evacuation plans)
The LSU professor may have been chatting about a "related but different" stat --- Louisiana is number one in the nation in terms of
percentage of current residents who were also born in the state.The states that come next in that metric are Michigan, Ohio, PA, Mississippi, Wisconsin, Iowa, Alabama, Kentucky and West Virginia. Those states clump around 2 regions.
https://www.ncdemography.org/2020/01/24/how-many-people-were-born-in-the-state-they-currently-live-in/
Quote from: keithvh on January 26, 2021, 02:10:24 PM
The states that come next in that metric are Michigan, Ohio, PA, Mississippi, Wisconsin, Iowa, Alabama, Kentucky and West Virginia. Those states clump around 2 regions.
https://www.ncdemography.org/2020/01/24/how-many-people-were-born-in-the-state-they-currently-live-in/
I was surprised DC did not show up as among the 10 with the most transplants, so I did a quick Google search. In 2012, the DC population that was born outside of DC was 63%, putting it third after Nevada and Florida. I guess the study did not include DC since it's not technically a state.
Quote from: bing101 on January 25, 2021, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 25, 2021, 10:17:44 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 24, 2021, 01:53:28 PM
After COVID we're probably going to have a lot of these types of people...
If COVID lasted for many years, maybe. But if anything people will be even more anxious to travel after it's over... at least I will be.
Same here
After the Spanish flu pandemic was the Roaring Twenties. I imagine a decent number of people will make a point to have a lot of fun over the coming decade after having been cooped up for a year and a half.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 26, 2021, 03:30:35 PM
Quote from: bing101 on January 25, 2021, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 25, 2021, 10:17:44 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 24, 2021, 01:53:28 PM
After COVID we're probably going to have a lot of these types of people...
If COVID lasted for many years, maybe. But if anything people will be even more anxious to travel after it's over... at least I will be.
Same here
After the Spanish flu pandemic and the Great War was the Roaring Twenties. I imagine a decent number of people will make a point to have a lot of fun over the coming decade after having been cooped up for a year and a half.
Let's not forget the other part of that.
Quote from: webny99 on January 25, 2021, 10:17:44 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 24, 2021, 01:53:28 PM
After COVID we're probably going to have a lot of these types of people...
If COVID lasted for many years, maybe. But if anything people will be even more anxious to travel after it's over... at least I will be.
COVID's going to last forever. But many experts agree the measures in many states will probably remain in place until fall this year, or 2022. So yes, the disruption will last for years.
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on February 05, 2021, 02:33:55 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 25, 2021, 10:17:44 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 24, 2021, 01:53:28 PM
After COVID we're probably going to have a lot of these types of people...
If COVID lasted for many years, maybe. But if anything people will be even more anxious to travel after it's over... at least I will be.
COVID's going to last forever. But many experts agree the measures in many states will probably remain in place until fall this year, or 2022. So yes, the disruption will last for years.
While I agree that COVID will be around (in some form) forever, I doubt that the disruptions will last "years." The most effective vaccine is 95% effective (and even the one that is less effective is 100% effective against serious illness and death). We're well on our way towards having a path to getting this under control.
I think we'll have to get used to COVID existing as a risk but the advancement of vaccines and treatments for COVID make it much more manageable.
Quote from: Sctvhound on January 16, 2021, 11:51:10 PM
In Charleston it is actually decently common, especially among the Black community. I know more than a few folks who never have gone outside of the Charleston area (James Island/John's Island/Downtown) well into their 20s. It all depends on money. A lot of folks don't have a car and going to areas more than a couple of miles away through the bus system is a trek.
I know folks who have never even been to some of the more suburban areas like Summerville from James Island.
It is probably the majority in some of the rural counties of South Carolina. There are rural counties like Williamsburg and Allendale where for a large chunk of the population, they might go to the major city once or twice in a year and that is it. Then I know of others who drive 50 miles+ just to shop in North Charleston and Charleston.
Because Maryland is such a small state, I suspect that the percentage of black folks in Baltimore who have never left the state is low (DC is 30-40 miles away) but never left the region is higher.
This does have be wondering now what the furtherest distance is in Maryland to another state...
Quote from: Laura on February 16, 2021, 06:07:26 AM
Quote from: Sctvhound on January 16, 2021, 11:51:10 PM
In Charleston it is actually decently common, especially among the Black community. I know more than a few folks who never have gone outside of the Charleston area (James Island/John's Island/Downtown) well into their 20s. It all depends on money. A lot of folks don't have a car and going to areas more than a couple of miles away through the bus system is a trek.
I know folks who have never even been to some of the more suburban areas like Summerville from James Island.
It is probably the majority in some of the rural counties of South Carolina. There are rural counties like Williamsburg and Allendale where for a large chunk of the population, they might go to the major city once or twice in a year and that is it. Then I know of others who drive 50 miles+ just to shop in North Charleston and Charleston.
Because Maryland is such a small state, I suspect that the percentage of black folks in Baltimore who have never left the state is low (DC is 30-40 miles away) but never left the region is higher.
This does have be wondering now what the furtherest distance is in Maryland to another state...
I suppose that depends in part on whether you mean as the crow flies or by road. The latter is obviously more realistic. I'd expect it's generally been somewhere in southern Maryland in either Calvert or St. Mary's County, although the closure of White's Ferry makes me wonder whether somewhere in western Montgomery County might have it at the moment.
Edited to add: Regarding demographics, the fellow I mentioned in Reply #19 who insisted there is no speed limit higher than 55 mph anywhere in the USA is black, although I highly doubt that would have played into his apparently not travelling anywhere. He was a strange guy. Nice fellow on the whole, but definitely weird in terms of mannerisms and opinions (and, of course, his belief on the 55-mph thing, approximately 24 years after that law was repealed, was just the most obvious of those!). The thing I found bizarre was simply that there might even be a possibility that someone living and working in Washington, DC, might not have been out of the District.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on February 15, 2021, 10:05:00 PM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on February 05, 2021, 02:33:55 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 25, 2021, 10:17:44 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 24, 2021, 01:53:28 PM
After COVID we're probably going to have a lot of these types of people...
If COVID lasted for many years, maybe. But if anything people will be even more anxious to travel after it's over... at least I will be.
COVID's going to last forever. But many experts agree the measures in many states will probably remain in place until fall this year, or 2022. So yes, the disruption will last for years.
While I agree that COVID will be around (in some form) forever, I doubt that the disruptions will last "years." The most effective vaccine is 95% effective (and even the one that is less effective is 100% effective against serious illness and death). We're well on our way towards having a path to getting this under control.
I think we'll have to get used to COVID existing as a risk but the advancement of vaccines and treatments for COVID make it much more manageable.
If there's one thing I've learned during COVID, it's that we such at predicting the future.
So, what's my prediction? That it will be around forever, or else it will go away, or else it will be linger but not be nearly as bad, or else it will recur every several years or decades. Also, that vaccinations will remain effective, or else will have to be re-engineered every year, or else will merely produce more and more deadly strains, or else will eradicate the virus entirely. Also, that restrictions and other measures will remain in effect for years to come, or else will be dropped as soon as possible, or else will vary from place to place. Yep, one of those things will happen. Or maybe not. I don't know anymore.
Quote from: kphoger on February 16, 2021, 09:59:54 AM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on February 15, 2021, 10:05:00 PM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on February 05, 2021, 02:33:55 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 25, 2021, 10:17:44 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 24, 2021, 01:53:28 PM
After COVID we're probably going to have a lot of these types of people...
If COVID lasted for many years, maybe. But if anything people will be even more anxious to travel after it's over... at least I will be.
COVID's going to last forever. But many experts agree the measures in many states will probably remain in place until fall this year, or 2022. So yes, the disruption will last for years.
While I agree that COVID will be around (in some form) forever, I doubt that the disruptions will last "years." The most effective vaccine is 95% effective (and even the one that is less effective is 100% effective against serious illness and death). We're well on our way towards having a path to getting this under control.
I think we'll have to get used to COVID existing as a risk but the advancement of vaccines and treatments for COVID make it much more manageable.
If there's one thing I've learned during COVID, it's that we such at predicting the future.
So, what's my prediction? That it will be around forever, or else it will go away, or else it will be linger but not be nearly as bad, or else it will recur every several years or decades. Also, that vaccinations will remain effective, or else will have to be re-engineered every year, or else will merely produce more and more deadly strains, or else will eradicate the virus entirely. Also, that restrictions and other measures will remain in effect for years to come, or else will be dropped as soon as possible, or else will vary from place to place. Yep, one of those things will happen. Or maybe not.
-Chief Health Officer of Alanland
Quote from: keithvh on January 26, 2021, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on January 22, 2021, 08:49:58 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 21, 2021, 10:09:29 AM
After HI, AK, FL, CA, and TX, what state do you think has the 6th largest percentage? Utah, maybe?
When I started at Louisiana St. one of the geography professors there stated that Louisiana had the highest population that never left their state. But that was before Katrina (and hurricane evacuation plans)
The LSU professor may have been chatting about a "related but different" stat --- Louisiana is number one in the nation in terms of percentage of current residents who were also born in the state.
The states that come next in that metric are Michigan, Ohio, PA, Mississippi, Wisconsin, Iowa, Alabama, Kentucky and West Virginia. Those states clump around 2 regions.
https://www.ncdemography.org/2020/01/24/how-many-people-were-born-in-the-state-they-currently-live-in/ (https://www.ncdemography.org/2020/01/24/how-many-people-were-born-in-the-state-they-currently-live-in/)
Nevada is rank 1st for having the most Transplants and Arizona at least some of this has to do with Ex-California Residents retiring. Oregon and Washington State within the Top 10 yes they are factors too in terms of getting some of the Ex-California Residents and companies.
Wyoming would have to be a surprise one with the most transplants given the rankings.
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on February 16, 2021, 10:19:27 AM
Quote from: kphoger on February 16, 2021, 09:59:54 AM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on February 15, 2021, 10:05:00 PM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on February 05, 2021, 02:33:55 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 25, 2021, 10:17:44 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 24, 2021, 01:53:28 PM
After COVID we're probably going to have a lot of these types of people...
If COVID lasted for many years, maybe. But if anything people will be even more anxious to travel after it's over... at least I will be.
COVID's going to last forever. But many experts agree the measures in many states will probably remain in place until fall this year, or 2022. So yes, the disruption will last for years.
While I agree that COVID will be around (in some form) forever, I doubt that the disruptions will last "years." The most effective vaccine is 95% effective (and even the one that is less effective is 100% effective against serious illness and death). We're well on our way towards having a path to getting this under control.
I think we'll have to get used to COVID existing as a risk but the advancement of vaccines and treatments for COVID make it much more manageable.
If there's one thing I've learned during COVID, it's that we such at predicting the future.
So, what's my prediction? That it will be around forever, or else it will go away, or else it will be linger but not be nearly as bad, or else it will recur every several years or decades. Also, that vaccinations will remain effective, or else will have to be re-engineered every year, or else will merely produce more and more deadly strains, or else will eradicate the virus entirely. Also, that restrictions and other measures will remain in effect for years to come, or else will be dropped as soon as possible, or else will vary from place to place. Yep, one of those things will happen. Or maybe not.
-Chief Health Officer of Alanland
How's Alanland doing with vaccine distribution, by the way? :sombrero:
I don't know anybody who has never left their home state, but my father-in-law left only once--to go to basic training and then to Vietnam. Hasn't left Indiana since he got back.
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on February 22, 2021, 07:24:03 AM
How's Alanland doing with vaccine distribution, by the way? :sombrero:
Oh. Oh, my. Even I won't bite at that one.