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Title: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: webny99 on February 02, 2021, 09:28:23 AM
I don't think we've done this before... I am wondering what is the most "TO" banners on a single sign or sign assembly.

I'll start with four (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0941502,-75.9115131,3a,15y,354.34h,89.95t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2RNg3n3bEn4qY5XVkA6v-Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) (NY 434 at NY 363 in Binghamton, NY). This particular example may be short-lived because this junction is going to be redesigned (relevant discussion in the New York thread here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1487.msg2567559#msg2567559)).
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: formulanone on February 02, 2021, 11:28:34 AM
Here's six in Tuscaloosa on AL 215 (you'd turn right here to stay on it, but the arrow disappeared):
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48083314962_59490613a5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gfXykL)
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: 1995hoo on February 02, 2021, 11:36:46 AM
Here are five on an assembly on the Prince William Parkway (VA-294) that includes some seriously ugly Virginia primary route shields and some weird I-66 shields with the style of black background that's normally used for unisigns:

https://goo.gl/maps/QhZHjhk9CuHhggGK9
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: webny99 on February 02, 2021, 11:43:37 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 02, 2021, 11:36:46 AM
Here are five on an assembly on the Prince William Parkway (VA-294) that includes some seriously ugly Virginia primary route shields and some weird I-66 shields with the style of black background that's normally used for unisigns:

https://goo.gl/maps/QhZHjhk9CuHhggGK9

Something's a little wonky with your link. It goes to the Rte. 104 Bike Trail in Webster, NY... ironically not all that far from me!
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: 1995hoo on February 02, 2021, 11:48:04 AM
Quote from: webny99 on February 02, 2021, 11:43:37 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 02, 2021, 11:36:46 AM
Here are five on an assembly on the Prince William Parkway (VA-294) that includes some seriously ugly Virginia primary route shields and some weird I-66 shields with the style of black background that's normally used for unisigns:

https://goo.gl/maps/QhZHjhk9CuHhggGK9

Something's a little wonky with your link. It goes to the Rte. 104 Bike Trail in Webster, NY... ironically not all that far from me!

Now that's weird. I just tried it again and it took me to a shopping center near my house. Got to take a phone call, so I will try to fix it later.
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: hotdogPi on February 02, 2021, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 02, 2021, 11:48:04 AM
Quote from: webny99 on February 02, 2021, 11:43:37 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 02, 2021, 11:36:46 AM
Here are five on an assembly on the Prince William Parkway (VA-294) that includes some seriously ugly Virginia primary route shields and some weird I-66 shields with the style of black background that's normally used for unisigns:

https://goo.gl/maps/QhZHjhk9CuHhggGK9

Something's a little wonky with your link. It goes to the Rte. 104 Bike Trail in Webster, NY... ironically not all that far from me!

Now that's weird. I just tried it again and it took me to a shopping center near my house. Got to take a phone call, so I will try to fix it later.

Near my house, too.
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: wanderer2575 on February 02, 2021, 12:02:44 PM
Utica, NY.  Does it count as a BGS assembly if they're both on the same gantry?   :spin:

(https://i.imgur.com/oRtPDGw.jpg)
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: briantroutman on February 02, 2021, 12:12:54 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 02, 2021, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 02, 2021, 11:48:04 AM
Quote from: webny99 on February 02, 2021, 11:43:37 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 02, 2021, 11:36:46 AM
Here are five on an assembly on the Prince William Parkway (VA-294) that includes some seriously ugly Virginia primary route shields and some weird I-66 shields with the style of black background that's normally used for unisigns:

https://goo.gl/maps/QhZHjhk9CuHhggGK9

Something's a little wonky with your link. It goes to the Rte. 104 Bike Trail in Webster, NY... ironically not all that far from me!

Now that's weird. I just tried it again and it took me to a shopping center near my house. Got to take a phone call, so I will try to fix it later.

Near my house, too.

Very interesting. Me, too–I got a street scene about six blocks (about 0.6 miles) southwest of my apartment (where I am currently).

Is it possible that, in addition to an absolute location reference, Google Maps also has a mechanism for a relative location reference?
i.e. 0.6 miles southwest of ___(user's current location)___
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: jmacswimmer on February 02, 2021, 12:25:37 PM
Leaving Dulles Airport (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9614186,-77.4422487,3a,66.1y,80.19h,96.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syff1okhTu0SKg7E1Ec4qAQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) - I second wanderer2575's motion to include all TO's on separate signs but on the same gantry, and raise a motion to include the TO in "Return To Terminal"  :bigass:

Quote from: briantroutman on February 02, 2021, 12:12:54 PM
Very interesting. Me, too–I got a street scene about six blocks (about 0.6 miles) southwest of my apartment (where I am currently).

Is it possible that, in addition to an absolute location reference, Google Maps also has a mechanism for a relative location reference?
i.e. 0.6 miles southwest of ___(user's current location)___

Same for me - there's definitely something in the link that factors in our computer's locations when we click the link.  Very interesting indeed, credit to 1995hoo for the accidental discovery! :-D
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: SectorZ on February 02, 2021, 12:33:51 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 02, 2021, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 02, 2021, 11:48:04 AM
Quote from: webny99 on February 02, 2021, 11:43:37 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 02, 2021, 11:36:46 AM
Here are five on an assembly on the Prince William Parkway (VA-294) that includes some seriously ugly Virginia primary route shields and some weird I-66 shields with the style of black background that's normally used for unisigns:

https://goo.gl/maps/QhZHjhk9CuHhggGK9

Something's a little wonky with your link. It goes to the Rte. 104 Bike Trail in Webster, NY... ironically not all that far from me!

Now that's weird. I just tried it again and it took me to a shopping center near my house. Got to take a phone call, so I will try to fix it later.

Near my house, too.

Me too. That's a weird bug.
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: kphoger on February 02, 2021, 12:34:20 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on February 02, 2021, 12:12:54 PM

Quote from: 1 on February 02, 2021, 11:49:59 AM

Quote from: 1995hoo on February 02, 2021, 11:48:04 AM

Quote from: webny99 on February 02, 2021, 11:43:37 AM

Quote from: 1995hoo on February 02, 2021, 11:36:46 AM
Here are five on an assembly on the Prince William Parkway (VA-294) that includes some seriously ugly Virginia primary route shields and some weird I-66 shields with the style of black background that's normally used for unisigns:

https://goo.gl/maps/QhZHjhk9CuHhggGK9

Something's a little wonky with your link. It goes to the Rte. 104 Bike Trail in Webster, NY... ironically not all that far from me!

Now that's weird. I just tried it again and it took me to a shopping center near my house. Got to take a phone call, so I will try to fix it later.

Near my house, too.

Very interesting. Me, too–I got a street scene about six blocks (about 0.6 miles) southwest of my apartment (where I am currently).

Is it possible that, in addition to an absolute location reference, Google Maps also has a mechanism for a relative location reference?
i.e. 0.6 miles southwest of ___(user's current location)___

Yep.  Mine plops me down in the middle of the Canal Route here in Wichita.
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: webny99 on February 02, 2021, 12:41:18 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on February 02, 2021, 12:02:44 PM
Utica, NY.  Does it count as a BGS assembly if they're both on the same gantry?

Sure.

Quote from: jmacswimmer on February 02, 2021, 12:25:37 PM
Leaving Dulles Airport (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9614186,-77.4422487,3a,66.1y,80.19h,96.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syff1okhTu0SKg7E1Ec4qAQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) - I second wanderer2575's motion to include all TO's on separate signs but on the same gantry, and raise a motion to include the TO in "Return To Terminal"

Yes, you can include all the signs on the overhead, but the "Return TO Terminal" is a separate assembly, so it doesn't count towards the total. I'm still counting 5 even without that one - not bad at all.





Quote from: jmacswimmer on February 02, 2021, 12:25:37 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on February 02, 2021, 12:12:54 PM
Is it possible that, in addition to an absolute location reference, Google Maps also has a mechanism for a relative location reference?
i.e. 0.6 miles southwest of ___(user's current location)___

Same for me - there's definitely something in the link that factors in our computer's locations when we click the link.  Very interesting indeed, credit to 1995hoo for the accidental discovery! :-D

FWIW, mine is more than 0.6 miles. It's roughly double that. It was also a location with no Street View, so I got a black screen and had to look down to the corner map to see where I was.
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: GaryV on February 02, 2021, 12:52:40 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on February 02, 2021, 12:25:37 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on February 02, 2021, 12:12:54 PM
Is it possible that, in addition to an absolute location reference, Google Maps also has a mechanism for a relative location reference?
i.e. 0.6 miles southwest of ___(user's current location)___

Same for me - there's definitely something in the link that factors in our computer's locations when we click the link.  Very interesting indeed, credit to 1995hoo for the accidental discovery! :-D

FWIW, mine is more than 0.6 miles. It's roughly double that. It was also a location with no Street View, so I got a black screen and had to look down to the corner map to see where I was.
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Mine went about 300 ft NNE.  (And showed that annoying closeup of the pavement that I can never seem to escape.)
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: briantroutman on February 02, 2021, 01:25:00 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 02, 2021, 12:41:18 PM
[FWIW, mine is more than 0.6 miles. It's roughly double that. It was also a location with no Street View, so I got a black screen and had to look down to the corner map to see where I was.

Quote from: GaryV on February 02, 2021, 12:52:40 PM
Mine went about 300 ft NNE.  (And showed that annoying closeup of the pavement that I can never seem to escape.)

There's also another variable that may at play here: What Google Maps believes to be your location.

When I first clicked the link, I was on a desktop computer–and I don't believe my permissions are set so that Google Maps has access to my specific location. Therefore, opening a new map simply centers it on Center City Philadelphia. Assumably, Google is surmising my approximate location from the coordinates of the cable company's neighborhood ISP POP(?).

But I tried the link again from my phone–which has the Google Maps app installed and does have permission to access my location–and it (coincidentally) pulled up a Street View photosphere inside a Chinese grocery store that is (coincidentally) about 330 feet NNE of my apartment.
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: 1995hoo on February 02, 2021, 01:31:05 PM
Trying again. I'm eating lunch and posting this from my iPad. I've noticed that Street View links from the Google Maps app are often aimed at the sky, so you may have to pan the image, but let's see what happens here. The location, in case this doesn't work, is on westbound VA-294 just east of Liberia Avenue in the Manassas area.

https://goo.gl/maps/h6118r1GgLfbSDGB9
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: hotdogPi on February 02, 2021, 01:31:49 PM
That one works. It's aimed at the ground, though, not the sky.
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: kphoger on February 02, 2021, 01:40:33 PM
Yeah, they always aim at the ground.
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: jmacswimmer on February 02, 2021, 02:04:49 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 02, 2021, 12:41:18 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on February 02, 2021, 12:25:37 PM
Leaving Dulles Airport (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9614186,-77.4422487,3a,66.1y,80.19h,96.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syff1okhTu0SKg7E1Ec4qAQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en) - I second wanderer2575's motion to include all TO's on separate signs but on the same gantry, and raise a motion to include the TO in "Return To Terminal"
Yes, you can include all the signs on the overhead, but the "Return TO Terminal" is a separate assembly, so it doesn't count towards the total. I'm still counting 5 even without that one - not bad at all.

I was mostly being sarcastic on the "Return To Terminal", don't worry :D

But I had a feeling signage near airports might be a good fit for this thread since they tend to promote multiple nearby routes as traffic disperses from the airport. (Although a quick glance at other airports on GMSV shows that most airports don't use 'TO' nearly as much as IAD - BWI, for example, uses one TO for all routes (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1848451,-76.6749061,3a,75y,305.23h,89.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6QwaRU6jqq4uZoIli4xBtQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en))
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: STLmapboy on February 02, 2021, 02:52:15 PM
This massive (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.8850089,-78.8425047,3a,75y,149.58h,103.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdAfJBAP7Vb76mylmFOtfbw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192/) BGS in Raleigh has 4.
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: CoreySamson on February 02, 2021, 03:59:50 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 02, 2021, 11:43:37 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 02, 2021, 11:36:46 AM
Here are five on an assembly on the Prince William Parkway (VA-294) that includes some seriously ugly Virginia primary route shields and some weird I-66 shields with the style of black background that's normally used for unisigns:

https://goo.gl/maps/QhZHjhk9CuHhggGK9

Something's a little wonky with your link. It goes to the Rte. 104 Bike Trail in Webster, NY... ironically not all that far from me!

Mine dumped me in the middle of nowhere in SE Kansas near US 75, which is nowhere where I live. Odd.
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: Scott5114 on February 02, 2021, 04:02:09 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 02, 2021, 12:41:18 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on February 02, 2021, 12:25:37 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on February 02, 2021, 12:12:54 PM
Is it possible that, in addition to an absolute location reference, Google Maps also has a mechanism for a relative location reference?
i.e. 0.6 miles southwest of ___(user's current location)___

Same for me - there's definitely something in the link that factors in our computer's locations when we click the link.  Very interesting indeed, credit to 1995hoo for the accidental discovery! :-D

FWIW, mine is more than 0.6 miles. It's roughly double that. It was also a location with no Street View, so I got a black screen and had to look down to the corner map to see where I was.

Mine did the same thing–it dropped the pin right on top of the local mental hospital  :paranoid:
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: Mr. Matté on February 02, 2021, 04:03:40 PM
Almost ate toos (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5655255,-75.5834433,3a,42.6y,286.77h,87.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svXJ7CCiQmlSCHsYI2jN6Wg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: KEVIN_224 on February 02, 2021, 05:17:42 PM
Ended up as a random spot on CT Route 217 in Middletown, CT for me. Odd! :-P
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: JayhawkCO on February 02, 2021, 07:42:19 PM
I ended up at a campsite in Cherry Creek State Park.  Looks nice there.

Chris
Title: Re: Most "TO"s on a Single Sign or Assembly
Post by: STLmapboy on February 02, 2021, 08:56:49 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 02, 2021, 12:34:20 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on February 02, 2021, 12:12:54 PM

Quote from: 1 on February 02, 2021, 11:49:59 AM

Quote from: 1995hoo on February 02, 2021, 11:48:04 AM

Quote from: webny99 on February 02, 2021, 11:43:37 AM

Quote from: 1995hoo on February 02, 2021, 11:36:46 AM
Here are five on an assembly on the Prince William Parkway (VA-294) that includes some seriously ugly Virginia primary route shields and some weird I-66 shields with the style of black background that's normally used for unisigns:

https://goo.gl/maps/QhZHjhk9CuHhggGK9

Something's a little wonky with your link. It goes to the Rte. 104 Bike Trail in Webster, NY... ironically not all that far from me!

Now that's weird. I just tried it again and it took me to a shopping center near my house. Got to take a phone call, so I will try to fix it later.

Near my house, too.

Very interesting. Me, too–I got a street scene about six blocks (about 0.6 miles) southwest of my apartment (where I am currently).

Is it possible that, in addition to an absolute location reference, Google Maps also has a mechanism for a relative location reference?
i.e. 0.6 miles southwest of ___(user's current location)___

Yep.  Mine plops me down in the middle of the Canal Route here in Wichita.
Mine doesn't work (black screen), but looking at the map in the bottom left, I was plopped down near a restaurant that doesn't exist (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6011933,-95.6632942,1620m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en/) in rural Kansas.

EDIT: It's where Corey Samson and Scott found themselves.