Use of control cities on Mileage or BGS for roads that do not travel there.
These cities should not be on signs.
Los Angeles I-15, I-40
Tucson I-8 I-17
San Diego, Yuma (BGS Exit 112 I-10) AZ 85
Are there other examples?
I don't necessarily agree that the above roadways should not have those control cities, but I have two more similar examples..............
St. Louis - I-24, which is an extreme case, since you have to take two other interstates after I-24 to get there.
Memphis - I-57, that control city starts all the way up in Chicago
Chattanooga - I-59
I don't see anything wrong with it because in most cases where it is done, much of the traffic heading that direction is heading for that city, even though a change of routes may be required. If such cases were not allowed, then many control cities on 3dis, especialy on loop routes would have to be something different that wouldn't be as helpful.
The use of a control city has never necessarily meant that particular highway serves the control city. The control city is used as a supplementary guide to aid motorists in reaching a destination by using that highway.
I think Las Vegas valley is actually an interesting example of this topic. Mainline freeway signage in the valley uses more control cities not served by the highways exiting the valley than the other way around.
I-15 north - Salt Lake City
I-15 south - Los Angeles (connection made via either I-10 or CA 60)
US 95 north - Reno (connection made via either US 50/US 50 Alt/I-80 or US 95 Alt/I-80)
US 95 south - Needles*
US 93 south - Phoenix (connection made via US 60)
*Needles is not consistently signed anymore, as Phoenix is the more dominant destination on the US 93/95 overlap.
In some of the case mentioned, the control cities are vestiges of predecessor routes that DID serve the cities in question (and have kept the route the primary corridor there) -
US 93 south to Phoenix - AZ 93 used to continue the number all the way into town
I-15 south to Los Angeles - US 91 used to continue the number into city limits
I-40 west for Los Angeles - US 66 used to go to Downtown Los Angeles
AZ 85 for San Diego/Yuma - US 80 once took this pathway to connect between Phoenix and the I-8 corridor
In Northern California, the primary examples of this include...
Route 120/I-205, as well as I-5 towards Lathrop: San Francisco (via I-580 and I-80, which is former US 50 that did connect Lathrop with San Francisco via Dublin)
I-580: San Francisco (as noted, via former US 50 which continued west across I-80 into SF)
I-680: Sacramento (via I-80)
I-238: Stockton (via I-580)
US 50/Business 80 west in Sacramento: San Francisco (via I-80 west)
I-505: Redding (via I-5), San Francisco (via I-80)
Route 85: Santa Cruz (via Route 17), Gilroy (via US 101)
I-65 north of Indianapolis uses Chicago even though the highway ends in Gary. But since no one is really interested in visiting Gary, they usage of Chicago is acceptable, 65 DOES get you into the Chicago Metro area at least.
I-70 has plenty of references to Washington D.C. on mileage signs once you get past Breezewood, and in the infamous town the BGS also references both D.C. & Baltimore, even though I-70 only goes to Baltimore.
I think both should be there.
Quote from: Mr_Northside on May 20, 2010, 10:05:44 AM
I-70 has plenty of references to Washington D.C. on mileage signs once you get past Breezewood, and in the infamous town the BGS also references both D.C. & Baltimore, even though I-70 only goes to Baltimore.
I think both should be there.
I agree - it probably also dates back to when I-70S was the designation for today's I-270 heading out towards the Beltway.
I-5 North of Seattle references Vancouver, B.C, even though Vancouver is a good distance from the border (I-5 replacing former US 99; I-5 meets BC 99 at the border, which continues into Vancouver). If I remember correctly, I-78 West uses Harrisburg before it's end with I-81; I-80 uses Cleveland, but only gets there via I-480.
Doesn't I-295 around Richmond use Rocky Mount, NC and Miami? :spin:
Heh. Got more than a few in Illinois.
I-294: Milwaukee, Indiana, and Wisconsin. Never makes it to any of the three.
I-355: St. Louis and Joliet. Actually makes it to New Lenox, just east of Joliet, but never anywhere near St. Louis.
I-255: Memphis and Chicago. Never gets anywhere near either.
I-57: Memphis. Stops short in Sikeston, MO.
I-80: Chicago. Never gets near the city limits.
I-88: Chicago. Ends at I-290 well before the city limits.
I-290: Rockford. Nowhere near Rockford.
IL-394: Danville and Chicago. Why, oh why is Danville used when it ends in Crete? Also ends at I-80/94/294 well south of Chicago.
I-155: Peoria. Stops short on the wrong side of the Illinois River and I-474.
Then there's the infamous Elgin-O'Hare Expressway which makes it to neither Elgin nor O'Hare.
I disagree with the OP. The route should be signed for where most of the through traffic is actually headed, not where the road ends or if it actually passes through the city. The subject of whether I-70 should have Dayton as a control city has been beaten to death in various forums.
Quote from: RustyK on May 20, 2010, 10:28:02 AM
Doesn't I-295 around Richmond use Rocky Mount, NC and Miami? :spin:
The only sign referencing Miami is actually on I-95 south at the I-85 split in Petersburg. I-295 does, however, reference Washington, Rocky Mount, Norfolk, and other control cities that are reached VIA I-95 and I-64.
Quote from: hbelkins on May 20, 2010, 11:17:31 AM
I disagree with the OP. The route should be signed for where most of the through traffic is actually headed, not where the road ends or if it actually passes through the city. The subject of whether I-70 should have Dayton as a control city has been beaten to death in various forums.
I agree (see some of the ones I put up for Illinois); however, some controls make no sense for the road what-so-ever. Danville for IL-394, Rockford for I-290? Traffic almost never uses either road for either destination.
Doesn't I-80 in Nebraska have Denver as a control city (mostly in the middle of the state)?
Quote from: Brandon on May 20, 2010, 11:30:35 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 20, 2010, 11:17:31 AM
I disagree with the OP. The route should be signed for where most of the through traffic is actually headed, not where the road ends or if it actually passes through the city. The subject of whether I-70 should have Dayton as a control city has been beaten to death in various forums.
I agree (see some of the ones I put up for Illinois); however, some controls make no sense for the road what-so-ever. Danville for IL-394, Rockford for I-290? Traffic almost never uses either road for either destination.
My guess as to why Danville is IL-394's control city is...that 394 used to be part of IL-1, which does go there. Not sure what would be a better control destination though (Beecher?).
For I-290, Schaumburg or Palatine looks like a better option. (The Rockford reference probably dates back to when 290 was I-90.)
There are a few instances of this in the Rochester, NY area:
-I-490 west of downtown has Buffalo for its control city
-I-490 east of downtown had Victor as its control city
-I-390 south uses Corning as its control city
Quote from: osu-lsu on May 20, 2010, 11:48:01 AM
Doesn't I-80 in Nebraska have Denver as a control city (mostly in the middle of the state)?
Denver does appear on a few mileage signs in Nebraska-the first one doesn't appear until W. of Gothenburg(it appears the first time along with Cheyenne), but it doesn't appear on any BGS until the I-76 junction.
- I-65 north of Birmingham and south of Nashville has Huntsville as a control city, but you have to take I-565 into another county to reach Huntsville (although Huntsville's city limits actually extend to I-65, but that is another discussion altogether).
- I-59 has a control city of New Orleans for its southern terminus, but it only reaches Slidell. Same for I-55 south of Hammond, LA.
- I-20 uses El Paso, TX as a control city but comes up short.
Erie: I-271 and I-279
Pittsburgh: I-76 and I-79
Quote from: codyg1985 on May 20, 2010, 01:39:33 PM
- I-65 north of Birmingham and south of Nashville has Huntsville as a control city, but you have to take I-565 into another county to reach Huntsville (although Huntsville's city limits actually extend to I-65, but that is another discussion altogether).
- I-59 has a control city of New Orleans for its southern terminus, but it only reaches Slidell. Same for I-55 south of Hammond, LA.
- I-20 uses El Paso, TX as a control city but comes up short.
I remember I-65 used to have Nashville as a control city in Birmingham, but was later changed to Huntsville. I'm thinking late 90s or early 2000s when that happened.
Quote from: golden eagle on May 20, 2010, 03:48:55 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on May 20, 2010, 01:39:33 PM
- I-65 north of Birmingham and south of Nashville has Huntsville as a control city, but you have to take I-565 into another county to reach Huntsville (although Huntsville's city limits actually extend to I-65, but that is another discussion altogether).
- I-59 has a control city of New Orleans for its southern terminus, but it only reaches Slidell. Same for I-55 south of Hammond, LA.
- I-20 uses El Paso, TX as a control city but comes up short.
I remember I-65 used to have Nashville as a control city in Birmingham, but was later changed to Huntsville. I'm thinking late 90s or early 2000s when that happened.
After I-565 was completed through Huntsville, this change was made. They forgot to fix the signs in Morgan County, AL because the northern control city is still Nashville if you exit the interstate and look at the signs. Also, the mileage signs have Nashville as the control city instead of Huntsville.
Quote from: golden eagle on May 20, 2010, 03:48:55 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on May 20, 2010, 01:39:33 PM
- I-65 north of Birmingham and south of Nashville has Huntsville as a control city, but you have to take I-565 into another county to reach Huntsville (although Huntsville's city limits actually extend to I-65, but that is another discussion altogether).
- I-59 has a control city of New Orleans for its southern terminus, but it only reaches Slidell. Same for I-55 south of Hammond, LA.
- I-20 uses El Paso, TX as a control city but comes up short.
I remember I-65 used to have Nashville as a control city in Birmingham, but was later changed to Huntsville. I'm thinking late 90s or early 2000s when that happened.
I believe that's about right, because around the same time I went to visit a friend of mine who lives in Nashville and I noticed that the signs for I-65 South had been changed from Birmingham to Huntsville. He said that the story there was that TDOT changed their signs in response to Alabama changing theirs.
I-87 north of Albany uses Montreal as a control city. I-87, of course, does not continue (at least as I-87) north of the Canadian border!
Also, south of Albany, I-87 north has mileage signs for Buffalo, when I-87 doesn't go there. Likewise, I-90 east of Buffalo has mileage signs to New York when it doesn't go there, either (nor Rochester, for that matter...but it at least gets close).
-On I-95 south at I-895 in Baltimore, it lists Annapolis as a control city (via I-97 and US 301/50)
-On I-95 north at I-295 in Delaware, it lists NY-NJ as a control city. I-295 reaches New Jersey, but not New York (via I-95/NJ Turnpike)
-Not really sure if this counts, but I-95 north and south of Washington, D.C. lists Washington as a control city, but doesn't really go into the district itself (besides that little south corner on the Woodrow Wilson Bridge)
-On I-76/PA Turnpike at exit 298 (I-176), it lists Reading, but doesn't really reach it (via US 422)
-NY 7 BGSs in the Albany-Troy area list Bennington (Vermont) as a control city, but of course, it ends at the NY/VT border (via VT 9)
-On NY 17 east of Binghamton (may appear more west of there, but not sure), signs list New York (via I-87/NY Thruway)
-On US 301 north of the Bay Bridge in Maryland, signs list Wilmington (Delaware) as a city (via DE 1 and I-95)
-I-476 BGSs south of I-276/PA Turnpike list Chester as a city (via I-95)
Speaking of Birmingham earlier, I-459 has Montgomery on a mileage sign, though 459 doesn't get anywhere close to the capitol city (though it does intersect with I-65, which does take you to Montgomery).
Some non-interstate examples:
Mileage for Atlanta appears at the US 378-SC 391 traffic circle
Mileage for Charlotte appears on US 52 in Florence
Mileage for Orange appears on VA 3 leaving I-95
Mileage for Bowling Green appears along VA 14 north from US 17 to US 360
Mileage for Harrisonburg appears on VA 33 west of VA 14
Mileage for Deltaville appears on US 33 in many places
Mileage for Washington DC still appears on US 211 in many places
Mileage for Fredericksburg appears on VA 205 leaving VA 205Y
Mileage for Baltimore appears in many locations on US 301 starting in Richmond
On the only mileage sign along VA 127 WB there is mileage for both Romney WV and Cumberland MD
I'm pretty sure Bluefield still appears on US 21 mileage signs north of Independence
Mileage for Lynchburg appears all along VA 151
Mileage for Stuart appears on VA 103
Mileage for Orangeburg SC appears at the US 52/S-8-6 jct near St Stephen SC
Mileage for Walterboro SC appears along both SC 7 and US 17 in the Charleston area
Mileage for Myrtle Beach appears on US 378 and US 521 in locations east of I-95
Mapmikey
I-72 in Illinois has Quincy on many mileage signs west of Springfield, though I-172 is used to access Quincy. Even then I-172 may enter the city limits, but misses much of the city.
The control city for SB US 169 on WB I-44 is Broken Arrow. To reach Broken Arrow, you would have to take 169 south to OK 51 east. 169 does not enter Broken Arrow.
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 20, 2010, 08:34:39 PM
Some non-interstate examples:
Up until last month, the control cities for Oh 61 @ I-71 NB were Mt. Gilead & Cardington. Oh 61 goes about 5 miles east of Cardington.
I say until last month. ODOT came through and updated the signage on I-71 in Delaware & Morrow Counties to Clearview and the control cities for Oh 61 @ I-71 NB are now Mt. Gilead & Galion (which Oh 61 goes directly through).
The stub freeway in Alliance has SR 225 NB in Ravenna as a control city when SR 225 actually terminates at SR 5 near the old Ravenna Arsenal.
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=40.899833,-81.172807&spn=0,0.006899&z=17&layer=c&cbll=40.900044,-81.172514&panoid=vZX5XBt8dkeF-S4oX5s2WA&cbp=12,46.65,,0,3.88 (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=40.899833,-81.172807&spn=0,0.006899&z=17&layer=c&cbll=40.900044,-81.172514&panoid=vZX5XBt8dkeF-S4oX5s2WA&cbp=12,46.65,,0,3.88)
The I-87 to Buffalo and I-90 to NYC kind of makes sense because I'm guessing the signs are referring to the NYS Thruway, rather than either interstate by themselves.
Why is Nags Head a control city on I-664 in Hampton? It does not even enter NC at all and no other interstate goes there, yet.
Quote from: mapman1071 on May 19, 2010, 09:25:51 PM
Use of control cities on Mileage or BGS for roads that do not travel there.
These cities should not be on signs.
Los Angeles I-15, I-40
Tucson I-8 I-17
San Diego, Yuma (BGS Exit 112 I-10) AZ 85
Are there other examples?
Las Vegas I-70 West
Los Angeles on Ca 86 North
Los Angeles on Ca 14 South
Los Angeles on I-215 South
Los Angeles on Ca 91 West
Los Angeles on Ca 118 East
Sacramento on I-405 North
Sacramento On Ca 170 North
Bishop on Ca 14 North
Barstow on I-215 North
San Diego on I-215 South
Indio on Ca 60 East
Quote from: roadman65 on May 15, 2011, 08:19:56 PM
Why is Nags Head a control city on I-664 in Hampton? It does not even enter NC at all and no other interstate goes there, yet.
Probably trying to keep Outer Banks-bound traffic out of downtown Norfolk.
Sacramento shows up on 210 west as well. San Francisco shows up on distance signs on I-5, usually listed below Sacramento despite being one mile fewer, but it is never a control city in the traditional sense.
there is the famous guide sign in Klamath Falls for US-97, with destinations of Weed and San Francisco (ya know, in case you didn't know where to find it :pan:)
Alberta 43 near Edmonton has the control state of Alaska, which requires a whole lot of route changes and, oh yeah, isn't even the same country!
Quote from: Interstate Trav on May 17, 2011, 07:27:11 PM
Quote from: mapman1071 on May 19, 2010, 09:25:51 PM
Use of control cities on Mileage or BGS for roads that do not travel there.
These cities should not be on signs.
Los Angeles I-15, I-40
Tucson I-8 I-17
San Diego, Yuma (BGS Exit 112 I-10) AZ 85
Are there other examples?
Las Vegas I-70 West
Los Angeles on Ca 86 North
Los Angeles on Ca 14 South
Los Angeles on I-215 South
Los Angeles on Ca 91 West
Los Angeles on Ca 118 East
Sacramento on I-405 North
Sacramento On Ca 170 North
Bishop on Ca 14 North
Barstow on I-215 North
San Diego on I-215 South
Indio on Ca 60 East
Almost all those examples listed are vestiges of when previous routes on those highways (i.e. US 66) DID travel to the destination in question, with the exception of I-70 West being signed for Los Angeles; in any case, the usual idea is that the terminus of the road in question will lead to another road going to said destination (i.e. 405/170/210 for "Sacramento").
The idea isn't too dissimilar to the concept of signing a beltway for its connecting roads' control cities, rather than its own suburban destinations.
Northbound signs along the Suncoast Parkway claim Crystal River as the control city, although Florida's Turnpike Enterprise wants to extend it to Red Level, which is north of Crystal River. Right now it only goes to US 98 just west of Stafford, which is along the Hernando-Citrus County Line.
The obvious in CT:
Control cities.
I-384 in CT EB control City -> Providence
I-84 EB control City -> Boston.
The most obvious in Michigan is US-127 being signed for "Mackinac Bridge", and ends 80 or 90 miles short of the bridge. There are others, but I have to think about it for a while.
Hadn't really thought about this one, but on I-64 in Kentucky, Ashland is used for the eastbound route out of Lexington, but I don't think the interstate ever enters the city limits of Ashland.
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on May 19, 2011, 08:07:17 AM
The most obvious in Michigan is US-127 being signed for "Mackinac Bridge", and ends 80 or 90 miles short of the bridge. There are others, but I have to think about it for a while.
Chicago appears on a mileage sign on WB I-196 just west of the M-6 merge. From I-196, you have to use I-94 for nearly 100 miles to get to Chicago. I also think Grand Rapids is signed along WB I-69 on the north side of Lansing. Speaking of Lansing, I don't think I-69 ever enters Lansing city limits.
Quote from: ftballfan on May 19, 2011, 03:28:20 PM
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on May 19, 2011, 08:07:17 AM
The most obvious in Michigan is US-127 being signed for "Mackinac Bridge", and ends 80 or 90 miles short of the bridge. There are others, but I have to think about it for a while.
Chicago appears on a mileage sign on WB I-196 just west of the M-6 merge. From I-196, you have to use I-94 for nearly 100 miles to get to Chicago. I also think Grand Rapids is signed along WB I-69 on the north side of Lansing. Speaking of Lansing, I don't think I-69 ever enters Lansing city limits.
Well...my Rand McNally map does show a small piece of the city in the southwestern part of Lansing that does border the highway, but it is an isolated part from the rest of the city, not sure what that means but as I had mentioned in another post or this one, I forget, even if the highway misses the city by a few miles, if you are still well within the metro area for that city I say it should be signed.
Plenty of traffic uses I-69 bound for Lansing. It isn't indirect.
I may be wrong, but I-82 is signed for Seattle westbound (via I-90) and Boise eastbound (via I-84). It's been a while since I went that way.
A-20 never actually goes through Quebec City, but it is listed as a control city on it.
I-87 ends before Montreal, but uses it as a control city after Albany.
ON-417 uses Montreal as a control city too.
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Quote from: ftballfan on May 19, 2011, 03:28:20 PM
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on May 19, 2011, 08:07:17 AM
The most obvious in Michigan is US-127 being signed for "Mackinac Bridge", and ends 80 or 90 miles short of the bridge. There are others, but I have to think about it for a while.
Chicago appears on a mileage sign on WB I-196 just west of the M-6 merge. From I-196, you have to use I-94 for nearly 100 miles to get to Chicago. I also think Grand Rapids is signed along WB I-69 on the north side of Lansing. Speaking of Lansing, I don't think I-69 ever enters Lansing city limits.
Well...my Rand McNally map does show a small piece of the city in the southwestern part of Lansing that does border the highway, but it is an isolated part from the rest of the city, not sure what that means but as I had mentioned in another post or this one, I forget, even if the highway misses the city by a few miles, if you are still well within the metro area for that city I say it should be signed.
The routes I-69 replaced in this area (US-27 and M-78) both went through downtown Lansing. And according to my Michigan state atlas, I-69 does not enter Lansing city unless the State Government Secondary Complex is part of the City of Lansing.
I-40 Arkansas has mileage to Fort Smith and Little Rock, but enters neither one.
Only in a pedant's world does I-69 not travel to Lansing.
New York appears on a US 206 guide sign on a traffic circle near Red Lion, NJ where the US routes meets NJ 70. As you all may know that US 206 cuts on a diagonal across New Jersey where NB on 206 goes to NW Jersey that is the opposite way of NYC as that is close to NE Jersey.
Shore Points is used on NJ 28 in Westfield, NJ for EB Central Avenue. Of course, Central Avenue leads to the Garden State Parkway, but a commercial vehicle cannot go on the Parkway. Central Avenue ends at the Garden State Parkway where there are no straight through roads leading to US 9 the truck alternative for the Parkway without making many turns.
For many years Trenton was used as a control city on NJ 35 for NJ 37 WB in Seaside Heights, NJ where NJ 37 ends at NJ 70 at Lakehurst and no continuing road to the State Capital. Since then Toms River replaced Trenton as someone in NJDOT figured out that something was wrong.
I-295 North around Jacksonville/Orange Park, Florida shows Savannah as a control city.
I don't know if this is the right place to say so, but in short, I feel the concept of the control city is quite pointless, in my opinion. But I suppose it helps somewhat for those totally unfamiliar with the area.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 22, 2011, 05:26:13 AM
New York appears on a US 206 guide sign on a traffic circle near Red Lion, NJ where the US routes meets NJ 70. As you all may know that US 206 cuts on a diagonal across New Jersey where NB on 206 goes to NW Jersey that is the opposite way of NYC as that is close to NE Jersey.
Via the Turnpike to NYC, versus 70 east to the Parkway. I'm sure it's more direct. But very few people will have made it to that circle in search of NYC.
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Shore Points is used on NJ 28 in Westfield, NJ for EB Central Avenue. Of course, Central Avenue leads to the Garden State Parkway, but a commercial vehicle cannot go on the Parkway. Central Avenue ends at the Garden State Parkway where there are no straight through roads leading to US 9 the truck alternative for the Parkway without making many turns.
The signs really aren't meant for trucks, who tend to pre-plan their routes. The old white Essex County signage had Shore Points down Valley Rd., which ends a block to the south of Bloomfield Ave. I really have no idea what the intended route is there - Bloomfield Ave. goes straight to the Parkway.
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For many years Trenton was used as a control city on NJ 35 for NJ 37 WB in Seaside Heights, NJ where NJ 37 ends at NJ 70 at Lakehurst and no continuing road to the State Capital. Since then Toms River replaced Trenton as someone in NJDOT figured out that something was wrong.
From when NJ 37 was supposed to continue to Trenton. The part of CR 526 at I-195 was built as 37, as was one bridge on CR 539 north of 537.
JFK Parkway in Millburn, NJ uses Florham Park as a control city for Parsonage Hill Road.
I-287 has Highland Park used for Possumtown Road and Centennial Avenue in Piscataway.
I-287 before the Middlesex CR 529 interchange was made for full movements used to have NB I-287 for SB CR 529 signed on the current exit for S. Washington Avenue. It never went there, but it was signed not TO CR 529 SOUTH- Edison, but CR 529 SOUTH-Edispn.
Garden State Parkway in Irvington uses Hillside as control city at Exit 143B for Lyons Avenue Eastbound.
I-78 also uses Hillside for its exit to Lyons Avenue one mile east of the GSP exit above in Newark.
Quote from: JCinSummerfield on May 19, 2011, 08:07:17 AM
The most obvious in Michigan is US-127 being signed for "Mackinac Bridge", and ends 80 or 90 miles short of the bridge. There are others, but I have to think about it for a while.
There are a few good ones in Metro Detroit. The control cities for I-696 are Lansing and Port Huron, both of which are significantly down the road (via I-96 and I-94, respectively). On I-275, the southbound control city is Toledo, which requires you to pick up I-75. The best one is Flint for northbound I-275. To make this trip, after I-275 ends, it's I-96 west and north on US 23.
Quote from: Rupertus on June 01, 2011, 02:56:09 AM
The best one is Flint for northbound I-275. To make this trip, after I-275 ends, it's I-96 west and north on US 23.
That's probably a vestige from when I-275 was planned to connect back to I-75. I guess they could use Livonia or Farmington Hills, but Michigan seems to shun suburban destinations for control cities. Using Lansing would probably make more sense as I-275 can easily be used to connect from I-75 to I-96.
If you're flying in and out of Metro Airport but live up by Flint, what route are you using?
If you live in Oakland/western Wayne County and need to get to Toledo for work, what route are you using?
Exactly.
Quote from: InterstateNG on June 01, 2011, 01:29:52 PM
If you're flying in and out of Metro Airport but live up by Flint, what route are you using?
If you live in Oakland/western Wayne County and need to get to Toledo for work, what route are you using?
Exactly.
275-96-23 is quicker from Flint to Metro Airport and vice versa than 94-75, 94-23, or 275-696-75.
From Western Wayne, 275 is a direct shot to 75 just north of Monroe.
I found another bad one in Michigan. M-120 (Exit 118) is signed as heading to Fremont off of US-31 (both directions). M-120 doesn't get to Fremont, but it does make sense from NB US-31. From SB US-31, it makes no sense at all as M-120 runs northeast. Fremont would make more sense at Exit 140 if heading southbound.
Both the Northern State and Southern State Parkways westbound control city is New York, although Southern State ends at the Cross Island and the Northern State ends at the GCP, which will take you to the Triboro, not exactly the "New York" one is looking for. The control city itself is very vague, as nobody knows if it means NYC proper [Queens] or Midtown Manhattan.
Also, while the road DOES go [most of the way] there, it is odd seeing signs for Riverhead, some little country town, on 36th Street in Manhattan.
Quote from: newyorker478 on June 02, 2011, 08:50:37 PM
Both the Northern State and Southern State Parkways westbound control city is New York, although Southern State ends at the Cross Island and the Northern State ends at the GCP, which will take you to the Triboro, not exactly the "New York" one is looking for. The control city itself is very vague, as nobody knows if it means NYC proper [Queens] or Midtown Manhattan.
Also, while the road DOES go [most of the way] there, it is odd seeing signs for Riverhead, some little country town, on 36th Street in Manhattan.
That is cause Rivehead is the county seat of Suffolk and the last population center along the LIE.
As far as New York goes it is broad and when you see a sign for it you do not know what part it means. In New Jersey, along US 1 & 9, though they do narrow it down to Lower and Mid Manhattan by the guide sign along the Pulaski Skyway east of the Passaic River that says "To New York USE Holland Tunnel Lincoln Tunnel. That is the only place that does this.
On I-87 its for all points as the Thruway mileage signs give out mileage to the end of the Thruway at the Bronx- Westchester Line where I-87 actually enters the city proper.
Quote from: roadman65 on June 02, 2011, 09:19:50 PM
Quote from: newyorker478 on June 02, 2011, 08:50:37 PM
Both the Northern State and Southern State Parkways westbound control city is New York, although Southern State ends at the Cross Island and the Northern State ends at the GCP, which will take you to the Triboro, not exactly the "New York" one is looking for. The control city itself is very vague, as nobody knows if it means NYC proper [Queens] or Midtown Manhattan.
Also, while the road DOES go [most of the way] there, it is odd seeing signs for Riverhead, some little country town, on 36th Street in Manhattan.
That is cause Rivehead is the county seat of Suffolk and the last population center along the LIE.
As far as New York goes it is broad and when you see a sign for it you do not know what part it means. In New Jersey, along US 1 & 9, though they do narrow it down to Lower and Mid Manhattan by the guide sign along the Pulaski Skyway east of the Passaic River that says "To New York USE Holland Tunnel Lincoln Tunnel. That is the only place that does this.
On I-87 its for all points as the Thruway mileage signs give out mileage to the end of the Thruway at the Bronx- Westchester Line where I-87 actually enters the city proper.
True, even though many NY Thruway travelers are led down NJ 17 and the GWB from Mapquest, despite signs for NY over the TZB. Not sure which would be better but I would much rather deal with TZB and then fly down the Henry Hudson.
As for Riverhead, there are much bigger population centers in Suffolk, but I was just making an interesting point.
Quote from: newyorker478 on June 02, 2011, 09:40:15 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 02, 2011, 09:19:50 PM
Quote from: newyorker478 on June 02, 2011, 08:50:37 PM
Both the Northern State and Southern State Parkways westbound control city is New York, although Southern State ends at the Cross Island and the Northern State ends at the GCP, which will take you to the Triboro, not exactly the "New York" one is looking for. The control city itself is very vague, as nobody knows if it means NYC proper [Queens] or Midtown Manhattan.
Also, while the road DOES go [most of the way] there, it is odd seeing signs for Riverhead, some little country town, on 36th Street in Manhattan.
That is cause Rivehead is the county seat of Suffolk and the last population center along the LIE.
As far as New York goes it is broad and when you see a sign for it you do not know what part it means. In New Jersey, along US 1 & 9, though they do narrow it down to Lower and Mid Manhattan by the guide sign along the Pulaski Skyway east of the Passaic River that says "To New York USE Holland Tunnel Lincoln Tunnel. That is the only place that does this.
On I-87 its for all points as the Thruway mileage signs give out mileage to the end of the Thruway at the Bronx- Westchester Line where I-87 actually enters the city proper.
True, even though many NY Thruway travelers are led down NJ 17 and the GWB from Mapquest, despite signs for NY over the TZB. Not sure which would be better but I would much rather deal with TZB and then fly down the Henry Hudson.
As for Riverhead, there are much bigger population centers in Suffolk, but I was just making an interesting point.
I know what you mean about Riverhead and yes your point is interesting.
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Columbus is the destination for OH-15 EB from I-75 at Findlay. OH-15 ends far short of Columbus, but it's the best route from that point. I think originally that exit from I-75 was US-68 only, and the part of OH-15 east of there didn't exist yet; certainly Columbus wasn't a destination on that exit at that time.
Columbus also appears on at least one mileage sign on OH-31 SB between Kenton and Marysville. OH-31 did originally go to Columbus before US-33 existed, but I don't think the sign is that old.
Around Boston, I-495's SB destination is Cape Cod from MA-2 onwards. From Marlborough onwards I'd agree that I-495 is probably the best route to Cape Cod, but of course I-495 doesn't make it all the way there. And the connections around Buzzards Bay and Sagamore seem rather unfavorable for such a trip. (Seems like a more direct connection could have been built...)
I have no problem with control cities that are used as a "general" direction such as Chicago on I-80 and I-65. You have to remember, while "we" know where certain suburbs are in relation the terminus points, the average joe probably doesn't know that I-65 ends at Gary short of Chicago.
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The average Joe doesn't likely CARE either. If you're coming from Louisville or Indy and possibly points south like Nashville, Birmingham and Chattanooga; I-65 is a way to get to Chicago.