What inspired this is the new E. Rodriguez Avenue offramp from southbound Skyway Stage 3 in Quezon City - while Rodriguez is the street the exit is named for, drivers actually trying to reach it either need to make a U-turn using G. Araneta Avenue (the service road underneath the highway) or go quite out of their way along Bayani Road and Plaridel Street to access it!
Another example - more of the destination type than the exit name - can be found along I-5 in Sacramento. For years, Meadowview Road has been signed as the exit to access Route 160 going to the town/community of Freeport. However, when the Cosumnes River Boulevard exit opened about 2 years ago, the signage was not changed even though Cosumnes River Boulevard gets to 160 and the town much more directly!
For purposes of this discussion, an exit in which one has to take another street to get to the named destination road is not inherently a bad choice, but if it takes too convoluted a route or too long a distance to reach the named road, then that absolutely would fit the thread.
on us 31 in muskegon, mi, (at least last time i was there), m-46 is signed eastbound as 'm-46 east, newaygo' newaygo isn't even ON m-46.
I-495 (MA) exit 42A was recently changed from Middleton to North Andover. The problem is that exits 43 and 44 also go to North Andover, and downtown North Andover is exit 43. However, Exit 42A is often used to get to the North Shore (including all the way to the coast), and Middleton was a good choice to put there, especially since it goes to the center of the town. (Exits 43 and 44 can also be used to get to different parts of the North Shore, but they're to the less populated areas, they require several turns, and the way to get there is nowhere near as obvious.)
Because of [________ NEXT ___ EXITS] situations, there are some exits at which the town RIGHT THERE isn't even on the exit sign.
For example, I-70 at Coby, KS.
Coming from the east, there's a [Colby NEXT 2 EXITS (https://goo.gl/maps/kzvDQVQM2PaCovHdA)] sign.
Next is an exit for [Country Club Dr / County Road 2]. Until a truck stop was built there a few years ago, nobody used that exit. One side was a gravel country road, and the other side was just a back way to the part of town most people weren't going to.
Then, at the K-25 exit for Colby, with hotels and restaurants and an outlet mall and a community college, the sign says [Atwood / Leoti]. It's a major stopping point for travelers, yet the town's name is nowhere on the sign. If you hadn't noticed the little sign 2¼ miles earlier, you might never even know that's the Colby exit. You know, the one you're supposed to get off at.
Quote from: kphoger on February 11, 2021, 01:30:07 PM
Because of [________ NEXT ___ EXITS] situations, there are some exits at which the town RIGHT THERE isn't even on the exit sign.
This practice is actually going to be endorsed in the upcoming new MUTCD, if a destination is on a Next X Exits sign it doesn't need to be repeated on the signs for the individual exits.
In Matamoras, PA there is Port Jervis for I-84 Eastbounf from US 6 & 209, when Port Jervis is actually on US 6 & 209 north of I-84. At that point Newburgh should be used as it's the next eastward city on I-84 used for destination.
Quote from: kphoger on February 11, 2021, 01:30:07 PM
Then, at the K-25 exit for Colby, with hotels and restaurants and an outlet mall and a community college, the sign says [Atwood / Leoti]. It's a major stopping point for travelers, yet the town's name is nowhere on the sign. If you hadn't noticed the little sign 2¼ miles earlier, you might never even know that's the Colby exit. You know, the one you're supposed to get off at.
I totally get what you're saying, but I wouldn't blame it on the "Colby - Next 2 Exits" sign. I think Colby should replace Leoti on the signs for the K-25 exit
regardless of whether the Next 2 Exits sign exists. That's especially the case heading west, where anyone going to Leoti would have turned off at Exit 76 (US 40), not to mention that Colby is a much bigger and more relevant town.
The Indiana Toll Road interchanges in the western part of Lake County are far from ideal.
Exit 0 - Indianapolis Blvd US 12/20/41 - Whiting should be a destination
Exit 3 - Cline Ave IN 912 doesn't have a destination. It's how you get to the steel mills and casinos in East Chicago. I get that the Cline Ave bridge was out for a long time and maybe those destinations used to be listed, but the new bridge is open so we need destinations here.
Exit 5 - Calumet Ave US 41 Hammond - Also the exit you would utilize to get to the main areas of East Chicago. Munster is also a reasonable destination here
Exit 10 - Cline Ave IN 912 Gary - Cline runs along Gary's western boundary. Gary - Airport would be more accurate. TO IN 312/East Chicago would also be a reasonable destination for the WB exit
Southbound I-275 exit 11A to "South Huron Road" in New Boston, MI. The road ends just a few hundred feet past the interchange at the entrance to Willow Metropark (which has a supplemental sign incorrectly telling motorists to use exit 11A).
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on February 11, 2021, 01:13:28 PM
on us 31 in muskegon, mi, (at least last time i was there), m-46 is signed eastbound as 'm-46 east, newaygo' newaygo isn't even ON m-46.
I sort of understand this one. Newaygo is signed only from northbound US-31; no control city is signed southbound. Obviously MDOT decided none of the small burghs along M-46 is control city-worthy, and the best route from the interchange to Newaygo is via M-46 east and M-37 north. What doesn't make sense to me is that Cedar Springs isn't signed as a control; it's on M-46 and is only about a mile's drive farther than Newaygo.
Quote from: webny99 on February 12, 2021, 07:50:20 AM
Quote from: kphoger on February 11, 2021, 01:30:07 PM
Then, at the K-25 exit for Colby, with hotels and restaurants and an outlet mall and a community college, the sign says [Atwood / Leoti]. It's a major stopping point for travelers, yet the town's name is nowhere on the sign. If you hadn't noticed the little sign 2¼ miles earlier, you might never even know that's the Colby exit. You know, the one you're supposed to get off at.
I totally get what you're saying, but I wouldn't blame it on the "Colby - Next 2 Exits" sign. I think Colby should replace Leoti on the signs for the K-25 exit regardless of whether the Next 2 Exits sign exists. That's especially the case heading west, where anyone going to Leoti would have turned off at Exit 76 (US 40), not to mention that Colby is a much bigger and more relevant town.
See, I have a fundamental problem with both towns on the exit sign being in the same direction from the highway. If it were Atwood/Colby, then there would be no southbound destination at all. I'd make it Colby/Leoti instead, and just leave Atwood off entirely–even though it's the town I grew up in and was always my destination personally when exiting there.
Quote from: kphoger on February 12, 2021, 01:50:10 PM
See, I have a fundamental problem with both towns on the exit sign being in the same direction from the highway. If it were Atwood/Colby, then there would be no southbound destination at all. I'd make it Colby/Leoti instead, and just leave Atwood off entirely–even though it's the town I grew up in and was always my destination personally when exiting there.
Why would it matter if both destinations are north of the interstate?
In order of where exiting traffic is headed, I have to assume it's:
(1) Colby
(2) Atwood
(huge gap)
(3) Leoti
I'd just pick the top two regardless of where they are in relation to the interstate.
Or what Minnesota does:
K-25
Colby
Atwood
1 Mile
then
Leoti
Next Right
Quote from: kphoger on February 11, 2021, 01:30:07 PM
Because of [________ NEXT ___ EXITS] situations, there are some exits at which the town RIGHT THERE isn't even on the exit sign.
For example, I-70 at Colby, KS.
Coming from the east, there's a [Colby NEXT 2 EXITS (https://goo.gl/maps/kzvDQVQM2PaCovHdA)] sign.
Next is an exit for [Country Club Dr / County Road 2]. Until a truck stop was built there a few years ago, nobody used that exit. One side was a gravel country road, and the other side was just a back way to the part of town most people weren't going to.
Then, at the K-25 exit for Colby, with hotels and restaurants and an outlet mall and a community college, the sign says [Atwood / Leoti]. It's a major stopping point for travelers, yet the town's name is nowhere on the sign. If you hadn't noticed the little sign 2¼ miles earlier, you might never even know that's the Colby exit. You know, the one you're supposed to get off at.
This is by design.
On the other side of the state, you have a "Kansas City, Next 10 Exits" sign on I-435. Should KDOT be signing every exit on I-435 with "Kansas City" stuck on the bottom of the panel? Well, no, that would be silly. But still, if you miss the Kansas City Next 10 Exits sign and Kansas City City Limits sign (the latter of which, in Kansas, is often glommed onto the Next 10 Exits sign or a county line or river crossing sign), going by what KDOT provides alone, you have no way to know you're in Kansas City at that point, and that's why it disappeared from the sign.
"But Scott," you say, "In Kansas City, drivers don't need that, they know what exit to take based on the road name or the exit number."
Why, then, would they not know to do this in Colby? After all, they'd have to have that information if they were going to some town along K-25 that wasn't Colby, Atwood or Leoti.
As you allude to, I would imagine most people getting off the freeway in Colby are not really interested in visiting Colby per se, but saw it as a dot on the map and thought, hey, they probably have a restaurant/hotel/gas station there. This guidance can be accomplished through blue services signage, or the high mast signage that such businesses advertise themselves with.
So putting Colby on the sign would really help only people who 1) have a ultimate destination in Colby and aren't just someone window-shopping for services 2) take it on blind faith that any destination they possibly could be interested in will always be a control city at all times (I'm not sure how they'll ever get there if they ever need to visit Cole, Oklahoma since ODOT signs the control as either "SH-76 JCT" or "SH-74 JCT" depending on which direction you approach it from) and therefore 3) aren't bright enough to figure out ahead of time that to get to their destination they need exit 53 or K-25 and 4) haven't figured out that they're directionally-impaired enough that the Google Maps robot telling them where to exit would probably be a help.
Incidentally, now that I've typed "Colby" this many times, I really want some cheese.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 12, 2021, 02:22:15 PM
Or what Minnesota does:
K-25
Colby
Atwood
1 Mile
then
Leoti
Next Right
I like this way as well. You still know which main town you're going to, but you have secondary control cities. It's like the I-35 and I-90 intersection where the control cities are Sioux Falls and La Crosse but there's also the sign for Austin and, if memory serves, Blue Earth.
Chris
Quote from: jayhawkco on February 12, 2021, 04:12:27 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 12, 2021, 02:22:15 PM
Or what Minnesota does:
...
then
Leoti
Next Right
I like this way as well.
Yeah, same here. Or, to address
kphoger's concern, you could also do Atwood and Leoti on the BGS's and then:
Colby
Next Right
Quote from: webny99 on February 12, 2021, 04:36:26 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on February 12, 2021, 04:12:27 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 12, 2021, 02:22:15 PM
Or what Minnesota does:
...
then
Leoti
Next Right
I like this way as well.
Yeah, same here. Or, to address kphoger's concern, you could also do Atwood and Leoti on the BGS's and then:
Colby
Next Right
Sure. Or actually option C: KS25 - Colby, Leoti then:
Atwood
Next Right
Since Leoti is the opposite direction on the highway from Colby and Leoti is larger than Atwood.
Chris
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 12, 2021, 02:49:14 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 11, 2021, 01:30:07 PM
Because of [________ NEXT ___ EXITS] situations, there are some exits at which the town RIGHT THERE isn't even on the exit sign.
For example, I-70 at Colby, KS.
Coming from the east, there's a [Colby NEXT 2 EXITS (https://goo.gl/maps/kzvDQVQM2PaCovHdA)] sign.
Next is an exit for [Country Club Dr / County Road 2]. Until a truck stop was built there a few years ago, nobody used that exit. One side was a gravel country road, and the other side was just a back way to the part of town most people weren't going to.
Then, at the K-25 exit for Colby, with hotels and restaurants and an outlet mall and a community college, the sign says [Atwood / Leoti]. It's a major stopping point for travelers, yet the town's name is nowhere on the sign. If you hadn't noticed the little sign 2¼ miles earlier, you might never even know that's the Colby exit. You know, the one you're supposed to get off at.
This is by design.
On the other side of the state, you have a "Kansas City, Next 10 Exits" sign on I-435. Should KDOT be signing every exit on I-435 with "Kansas City" stuck on the bottom of the panel? Well, no, that would be silly. But still, if you miss the Kansas City Next 10 Exits sign and Kansas City City Limits sign (the latter of which, in Kansas, is often glommed onto the Next 10 Exits sign or a county line or river crossing sign), going by what KDOT provides alone, you have no way to know you're in Kansas City at that point, and that's why it disappeared from the sign.
"But Scott," you say, "In Kansas City, drivers don't need that, they know what exit to take based on the road name or the exit number."
Why, then, would they not know to do this in Colby? After all, they'd have to have that information if they were going to some town along K-25 that wasn't Colby, Atwood or Leoti.
As you allude to, I would imagine most people getting off the freeway in Colby are not really interested in visiting Colby per se, but saw it as a dot on the map and thought, hey, they probably have a restaurant/hotel/gas station there. This guidance can be accomplished through blue services signage, or the high mast signage that such businesses advertise themselves with.
So putting Colby on the sign would really help only people who 1) have a ultimate destination in Colby and aren't just someone window-shopping for services 2) take it on blind faith that any destination they possibly could be interested in will always be a control city at all times (I'm not sure how they'll ever get there if they ever need to visit Cole, Oklahoma since ODOT signs the control as either "SH-76 JCT" or "SH-74 JCT" depending on which direction you approach it from) and therefore 3) aren't bright enough to figure out ahead of time that to get to their destination they need exit 53 or K-25 and 4) haven't figured out that they're directionally-impaired enough that the Google Maps robot telling them where to exit would probably be a help.
Let's say the custodial parent of my child lived in Denver, and I were meeting up with the two of them halfway to bring my child home for the holidays. While I'm at the Grainfield rest area, I call her to find out where we should meet up. She stopped for gas in Goodland and tells me to meet her at the Colby exit, and to call her when I get there to find out where she is. So I'm on the lookout for an exit that says "Colby". Instead, all I get is a little sign a mile before it's even apparent I'm approaching a town. (Colby doesn't become apparent till after you round the bend on I-70). If I miss that little sign, then I don't realize I'm supposed to exit at "Atwood/Leoti".
And I assert that a town like Colby is simply different than one like Kansas City. If you don't know you're already in Kansas City by the time you get there, then you're a doofus. (OK, I realize those little signs refer to the city limits and I'm speaking of the metro area.)
Also... Hmmm, I thought the KTA had one of those [NEXT ___ EXITS] signs approaching Wichita, but I don't see any on GSV. Maybe I'm just mistaken.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 12, 2021, 02:49:14 PM
Incidentally, now that I've typed "Colby" this many times, I really want some cheese.
Get back, Jack!
Quote from: jayhawkco on February 12, 2021, 04:42:06 PM
Sure. Or actually option C: KS25 - Colby, Leoti then:
Atwood
Next Right
Since Leoti is the opposite direction on the highway from Colby and Leoti is larger than Atwood.
I like the idea of Colby/Leoti, with an "Atwood next exit" supplemental sign.
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on February 11, 2021, 01:13:28 PM
on us 31 in muskegon, mi, (at least last time i was there), m-46 is signed eastbound as 'm-46 east, newaygo' newaygo isn't even ON m-46.
I never noticed that before. But IMO, M-46 from Muskegon to Cedar Springs should be renumbered...perhaps as M-57. M-46 could follow the routing from M-82 and M-120 from US-131 down to Muskegon. Some of the routing in this area doesn't really make a lot of sense.
Quote from: kphoger on February 12, 2021, 04:52:56 PM
Also... Hmmm, I thought the KTA had one of those [NEXT ___ EXITS] signs approaching Wichita, but I don't see any on GSV. Maybe I'm just mistaken.
The KTA does the opposite of KDOT in this regard and insists on putting Wichita on every guide sign for each of the four exits (although I'm not sure about Exit 53A). They also do this for Lawrence's three exits, although there, they do have a "Lawrence NEXT 3 EXITS" sign.
Exit 107 for Colony Park Boulevard and Madison Avenue on I-55 irritates me.
First off, the exits just go to frontage roads. And in order to get from Colony Park to Madison Avenue, or vice versa, you have to travel on the frontage road for a mile, and you pass through a few other roads before you get there. Taking the next exit to then go to Madison Avenue via Grandview is slightly shorter.
Quote from: kphoger on February 12, 2021, 04:52:56 PM
Let's say the custodial parent of my child lived in Denver, and I were meeting up with the two of them halfway to bring my child home for the holidays. While I'm at the Grainfield rest area, I call her to find out where we should meet up. She stopped for gas in Goodland and tells me to meet her at the Colby exit, and to call her when I get there to find out where she is.
My immediate query would be "Which exit is that?" because, if I have never been to Colby before, I don't know if it's a one-exit town or a ten-exit town, or if maybe they built a new exit since the last time me or the person I'm meeting has been there, or what the signage situation is. Course, I grew up in a town that has four exits within city limits but only one of them signed as serving that town, so I never trust the verbiage "the X exit" when someone's giving me directions.
Of course, there's plenty of people who would happily name off the city on the sign, clueless as to the actual name of the town they're in, and say they were stopping in Atwood!
Best solution–why not just read all of the signs if you have a turn coming up soon? Cause what if you don't read the sign at the exit either?
Quote from: kphoger on February 12, 2021, 04:52:56 PM
And I assert that a town like Colby is simply different than one like Kansas City.
KDOT is a stickler about being logically consistent with their signage practices. [City] next # exits means no mentions of the city from there on out. Same rule in Kansas City as it is in Colby. The good thing is that means that KDOT is extremely predictable, so a driver who pays any degree of attention at all can learn to keep eyes peeled for a [city] next # exits sign and know "Okay–I should treat the next # exits as though [city] is added to the sign."
It's a very appealing concept to someone who lives in a state where every aspect of signage (including capitalization and grammar) is subject to whatever flight of fancy seizes the mind of whatever contractor gets any given signage contract.
The ISTHA changed their practices a few years ago especially on 88 with Aurora. It used to be that Route 31 was signed Aurora-Batavia. Now it's just Route 31/56 East with a supplemental sign including Aurora, North Aurora, Batavia and Geneva.
I get the reasoning because of so many nearby towns but for state highway junctions that serve as the main exit for a city center, at least keep the city on the main BGS.
In the case of Colby, which I have been a few times, Colby should be signed on Hwy 25. It's not wrong to sign 3 destinations on a BGS. Put Colby on top since it is the closest city and then Leoti and Atwood.
As for ones in Illinois that bug me...
I-55 Exit 257 is "US 30 - Aurora, Joliet". Plainfield, now nearly 40,000 in pop, comes within a mile of the interchange. Yes if you are going SB on 55, 126 is the direct route to Plainfield. But NB, while 59 is the direct route, you hit a ton of lights in Shorewood and Joliet before Plainfield.
55 uses Kankakee for Route 17 instead of Dwight. The problem is when you are going NB, 17 is the way into the business district. There is no mention of Dwight until Route 47 by which time, you are mostly passed Dwight.
The exit for Smith Street to Perth Amboy on NJ Route 440 is not for Smith Street EB to Perth Amboy. It's Fayette Street that goes there as Smith Street from that particular exit heads west to Keasbey.
Quote from: hobsini2 on February 12, 2021, 11:57:47 PM
In the case of Colby, which I have been a few times, Colby should be signed on Hwy 25. It's not wrong to sign 3 destinations on a BGS. Put Colby on top since it is the closest city and then Leoti and Atwood.
KDOT isn't signing it because doing so would create 3 destinations, though. They're not doing it because there's two Colby exits, so as far as they're concerned "Colby, Next 2 Exits" is the appropriate way to sign it, because it's consistent with how they do it for larger cities.
Exit 11 on I-496 in Lansing, MI used to be for Jolly Rd. Only problem is, Jolly Rd is an overpass about a half mile south of the interchange, and all ramps intersect with the nearby Dunckel Rd instead.
A couple years ago, the signs have been updated to say "Exit 11 - Dunckel Rd / Jolly Rd". (link) (https://goo.gl/maps/yXyaPPngrgpzSVoM8)
Exit 94 on I-64 at Winchester has been signed for Van Meter Road for as long as I can remember. The route numbers listed on the exit signage are KY 1958 and Truck KY 627. The exit itself is NOT for Van Meter; Van Meter is a local road (KY 2888) that basically serves as a frontage road for I-64 between exits 94 and 87.
Minor nitpick of mine: Mason used as a control city for US 42 on its exit from I-275 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2876709,-84.400529,3a,75y,60.58h,99.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPXi7Zr42eKaWhymZ_Jz8WQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). This interchange is still a bit of distance from Mason, and most drivers heading to Mason would either use I-75 and exit at Tylersville Rd (22) or Liberty Way (24A), or I-71 and exit at Mason-Montgomery Rd (19), Western Row Rd (24) or OH 741 (25), than exit here and make the trek on a mostly 1 lane per direction road up to Mason.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2021, 01:35:35 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on February 12, 2021, 11:57:47 PM
In the case of Colby, which I have been a few times, Colby should be signed on Hwy 25. It's not wrong to sign 3 destinations on a BGS. Put Colby on top since it is the closest city and then Leoti and Atwood.
KDOT isn't signing it because doing so would create 3 destinations, though. They're not doing it because there's two Colby exits, so as far as they're concerned "Colby, Next 2 Exits" is the appropriate way to sign it, because it's consistent with how they do it for larger cities.
It may be consistent but that doesn't mean it's more helpful. Those type of Next X Exit signs should be used when you have a series of exits serving a city AND the BGS is using the street name. Using them on a town that's 59th in the state's population is silly. At least have a city with a decent size pop that out of towners can recognize. Hell, you would be hard pressed to find a regular person who knows Hays let alone Colby.
The control cities for the Mid-Cape Highway are the same both EB and WB but make much more sense from the EB perspective. For example, the control cities for the former Exit 8/Union St. are Yarmouth/Dennis, but Dennis (town or village) doesn't make any sense for WB traffic, which would get off at the former Exit 9. Similarly, the control cities for the former Exit 7/Willow St. are W. Yarmouth/Yarmouthport, but Hyannis is the main destination off Exit 7 for WB traffic and traffic to Yarmouthport would take Exit 8.
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on February 11, 2021, 01:13:28 PM
on us 31 in muskegon, mi, (at least last time i was there), m-46 is signed eastbound as 'm-46 east, newaygo' newaygo isn't even ON m-46.
Some more on US-31:
Exit 140 (M-20/Stony Lake Rd/New Era) - Fremont should be mentioned, at least southbound. Northbound could add White Cloud or Hesperia
Exit 118 (M-120/Fremont/North Muskegon) - Fremont should be dropped southbound (it works perfectly NB) as it's far out of the way to head on SB US-31 to exit 118 to head back northeast toward Fremont
One that comes to mind in Minnesota: the mention of Waterville on the sign for I-35 Exit 56 (for MN 60) in Faribault. While it works perfectly well for southbound I-35, northbound traffic headed there would be better served by getting off at Exit 48 (the Medford exit) due to the trajectory of MN 60, which swings to the south as it heads west from I-35.
Personally, I think a better choice for the "second town" on the Exit 56 signage would be Zumbrota; Waterville, then, would be referenced on supplementary signage at Exit 48 (northbound) and Exit 56 (southbound).
(Also in that section of Minnesota: I think that the sign for westbound US 14 at the interchange on I-35 in Owatonna should be for Mankato instead of Waseca; the former is a much larger town and is more on par, population-wise, with Rochester, the destination for eastbound US 14. Waseca - as well as Kasson for eastbound US 14 - should be referenced on supplementary signage before the exit.)
Quote from: KCRoadFan on March 03, 2021, 09:02:11 PM
One that comes to mind in Minnesota: the mention of Waterville on the sign for I-35 Exit 56 (for MN 60) in Faribault. While it works perfectly well for southbound I-35, northbound traffic headed there would be better served by getting off at Exit 48 (the Medford exit) due to the trajectory of MN 60, which swings to the south as it heads west from I-35.
Personally, I think a better choice for the "second town" on the Exit 56 signage would be Zumbrota; Waterville, then, would be referenced on supplementary signage at Exit 48 (northbound) and Exit 56 (southbound).
(Also in that section of Minnesota: I think that the sign for westbound US 14 at the interchange on I-35 in Owatonna should be for Mankato instead of Waseca; the former is a much larger town and is more on par, population-wise, with Rochester, the destination for eastbound US 14. Waseca - as well as Kasson for eastbound US 14 - should be referenced on supplementary signage before the exit.)
Zumbrota wouldn't make sense for southbound I-35 traffic at MN 60. Kenyon would make a lot more sense for this argument since 35/60 is equal to 52/56 in going from MSP to Kenyon. Similarly, Mankato actually makes a lot more sense for MN 60 than US 14, at least heading southbound on I-35.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 03, 2021, 09:29:40 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on March 03, 2021, 09:02:11 PM
Personally, I think a better choice for the "second town" on the Exit 56 signage would be Zumbrota; Waterville, then, would be referenced on supplementary signage at Exit 48 (northbound) and Exit 56 (southbound).
Zumbrota wouldn't make sense for southbound I-35 traffic at MN 60. Kenyon would make a lot more sense for this argument since 35/60 is equal to 52/56 in going from MSP to Kenyon. Similarly, Mankato actually makes a lot more sense for MN 60 than US 14, at least heading southbound on I-35.
Having different destinations depending on the direction seems to always be somewhat controversial, but personally I'd be fine with Zumbrota northbound and Mankato southbound.
Quote from: webny99 on March 03, 2021, 10:09:45 PM
Having different destinations depending on the direction seems to always be somewhat controversial
Yes. You can never then refer to an exit as "the ______ exit", because the name will depend on direction of travel.
Quote from: kphoger on March 04, 2021, 09:27:11 AM
Quote from: webny99 on March 03, 2021, 10:09:45 PM
Having different destinations depending on the direction seems to always be somewhat controversial
Yes. You can never then refer to an exit as "the ______ exit", because the name will depend on direction of travel.
That doesn't apply if it's the second destination that varies, though. In the case above, it's the Faribault exit no matter what.
Well one I immediately think of here in Houston is the exit off IH 45 for Loop 336 in Conroe. The exit sign reads "Loop 336. To Navasota, Cleveland" but you have to turn onto another highway at some point to reach either of those since 336 is just a loop around Conroe.
In Florida on I-4 Exit 58 needs to be redone. It uses Kissimmee from when it was an EB only exit, but since it became a full interchange and so much sprawl turned what once was rural into a suburban nightmare between I-4 and Kissimmee proper no more is it a direct route.
Kissimmee should be removed for Champions Gate to be Champions Gate/ Poinciana.
this has since been changed in the past 15 years but for decades I 65 north at uofl had an A/B exit for eastern parkway. 132 A went straight to eastern parkway east, but 132 B was listed as eastern parkway west, but you weren't turning on to eastern west. in actuality you were turning on to east university bvld, which led to crittenden drive which then led you to the eastern parkway intersection where you could turn either east or west.
since I've left campus the area has really grown and changed. the exits are no longer an A/B, former exit 132 B is now 133 and is listed as university Blvd TO eastern parkway, and the off ramp has been changed to let you turn either direction where before you were forced towards crittenden.