How many times are there interstates that exist in one state and the northbound and southbound control cities are cities in other states at one interchange? I-15 in Arizona made me think of this. (https://goo.gl/maps/ahZtwrkWwAGeZddk8) With a north control city of Salt Lake City and a south control city of Las Vegas.
This doesn't have to be just interstates. I only mentioned interstates because they have much further control cities and are more apt to this situation.
In Indianapolis, I-65, I-70, and I-74 all use out of state cities for control cities in both directions.
I-70 in Illinois uses St Louis and Indianapolis
I-64 in Illinois and Indiana uses St Louis and Louisville
I-65 in Louisville uses Indianapolis and Nashville
I-75 in Lexington uses Cincinnati and Knoxville
I-270 in St Louis uses Memphis and Chicago
Doesn't I-294 use Wisconsin and Indiana for its control cities?
I-90 in Chicago uses Wisconsin and Indiana (here we go again). Ditto for I-94, and maybe I-80 as well with Iowa and Indiana but I'm not sure.
I-15 in Arizona uses Vegas and SLC.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 01:30:01 PM
Doesn't I-294 use Wisconsin and Indiana for its control cities?
And I-90 and 94. 94 has both Wisconsin and Milwaukee IIRC.
IIRC, I-85 in Atlanta has Greenville SC and Montgomery AL.
I-65 in Nashville: Louisville and Huntsville.
I-81 in Hagerstown: Roanoke and Harrisburg.
When I-26 is done in North Carolina, I suspect it will have Spartanburg and Johnson City.
- I-95 in Florence SC uses Fayetteville NC and Savannah GA.
- I-95 at the I-16 junction near Savannah GA uses Florence SC and Jacksonville FL (although Brunswick is also used as a secondary destination)
- I-24 in GA is between Chattanooga TN and Nashville TN
- I-59 in GA uses Birmingham AL and Chattanooga TN
There are going to be plenty of answers from the Northeast and the Northeast Corridor due to how short the distances are between state lines for a lot of routes.
- I-95 in Baltimore MD uses New York NY and Washington DC
- I-81 in MD uses Harrisburg PA and Roanoke VA
- NJ Turnpike (although this section is not an Interstate) in southern NJ uses New York NY as well as an out-of-state destination southbound
- I-95 in NY uses New Haven CT and Trenton NJ (this was true even before the I-95 gap was filled)
Quote from: ran4sh on February 23, 2021, 03:58:30 PM
I-24 in GA is between Chattanooga TN and Nashville TN
I thought about this situation being a possibility. I didn't quite spell it out when making the post, but the two control cities should be in different states as well, that discredits any route that "dips" into a state.
Speaking of Georgia, thought I remember seeing a one off sign of I-75 SB have a control city of Tampa somewhere in the Atlanta area. Normally, it's Macon though.
I thought this was a possibility, but thought it was also farfetched, but this (https://goo.gl/maps/ahZtwrkWwAGeZddk8) is from Flagstaff, AZ showing Albuquerque and Los Angeles for I-40
Quote from: SkyPesos on February 23, 2021, 04:24:25 PM
Speaking of Georgia, thought I remember seeing a one off sign of I-75 SB have a control city of Tampa somewhere in the Atlanta area. Normally, it's Macon though.
The signs for Tampa only exist along the route GDOT wants that traffic to use, and not the intersecting routes. So, north of Atlanta the ramp from I-75 to I-285 West lists Tampa (specifically "Birmingham/Tampa"), but Tampa is not shown for I-285 west coming from any other direction. Then south of Atlanta, the ramp from I-285 Eastbound to I-75 South has both Macon and Tampa. The Northbound control city from that point is Atlanta, so it doesn't qualify as an example for this thread.
Although I guess if you wanted to count the numerous instances where the 2 directions of I-285 have control cities in another state, then you could.
Quote from: SkyPesos on February 23, 2021, 04:24:25 PM
Speaking of Georgia, thought I remember seeing a one off sign of I-75 SB have a control city of Tampa somewhere in the Atlanta area. Normally, it's Macon though.
Just above the Cobb Cloverleaf on I-75 SB, the control cities for 285 WB/SB are Birmingham/Tampa.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50974476001_db5c23d74c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kErvMT)
Quote from: ran4sh on February 23, 2021, 04:53:35 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on February 23, 2021, 04:24:25 PM
Speaking of Georgia, thought I remember seeing a one off sign of I-75 SB have a control city of Tampa somewhere in the Atlanta area. Normally, it's Macon though.
The signs for Tampa only exist along the route GDOT wants that traffic to use, and not the intersecting routes. So, north of Atlanta the ramp from I-75 to I-285 West lists Tampa (specifically "Birmingham/Tampa"), but Tampa is not shown for I-285 west coming from any other direction. Then south of Atlanta, the ramp from I-285 Eastbound to I-75 South has both Macon and Tampa. The Northbound control city from that point is Atlanta, so it doesn't qualify as an example for this thread.
Although I guess if you wanted to count the numerous instances where the 2 directions of I-285 have control cities in another state, then you could.
"What he said..."
its been a long time since i've been there...
... but i want to say the short stretch of i-70 in wv is posted columbus one way, and [some city], pa the other..
Indiana Toll Road: Chicago / Ohio
I-35 in Des Moines: Kansas City / Minneapolis
I-94 Indiana: WB Chicago, EB Detroit.
I-24 in Illinois uses Nashville EB and *kinda maybe sorta makes a single reference to* St Louis WB
I-80 sort of in NJ. If Delaware Water Gap is referring to the Monroe County, PA village it would count as so from the Delaware River to Paterson anyway.
I-287 in Bedminster, NJ for I-78 uses Easton, PA and New York. City.
I-70 in Hagerstown, MD uses Roanoke and Harrisburg for I-81. The funny thing is the former is two states away.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 23, 2021, 03:55:55 PM
When I-26 is done in North Carolina, I suspect it will have Spartanburg and Johnson City.
I doubt it. North Carolina is one of those states that prefers to post Control Cities within its own state until there are no other options. I-95 in North Carolina should be posted with Richmond and Savannah throughout the state (another state skipper).
Quote from: Dirt Roads on February 23, 2021, 07:45:52 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 23, 2021, 03:55:55 PM
When I-26 is done in North Carolina, I suspect it will have Spartanburg and Johnson City.
I doubt it. North Carolina is one of those states that prefers to post Control Cities within its own state until there are no other options. I-95 in North Carolina should be posted with Richmond and Savannah throughout the state (another state skipper).
I thought Richmond is used at Rocky Mount.
Quote from: ilpt4u on February 23, 2021, 07:26:49 PM
I-24 in Illinois uses Nashville EB and *kinda maybe sorta makes a single reference to* St Louis WB
One supplemental sign a control city does not make. :pan: ← That's me trying to beat that sign out of your mind.
I-40 in Arizona uses Los Angeles and Albuquerque as control cities at it's interchange with I-17.
Does NH use cities outside itself on I-95 being only 17 miles within itself?
I know Boston is used SB, but what does NH use NB?
Quote from: thspfc on February 23, 2021, 01:31:57 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 01:30:01 PM
Doesn't I-294 use Wisconsin and Indiana for its control cities?
And I-90 and 94. 94 has both Wisconsin and Milwaukee IIRC.
On 94, the control city on the Edens (IDOT) is Milwaukee. But once I-94 merges with the tollway, the control 'city' is Wisconsin heading northbound. It's ISTHA that often uses whole states as controls, not IDOT.
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on February 24, 2021, 11:20:18 AM
Quote from: thspfc on February 23, 2021, 01:31:57 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 01:30:01 PM
Doesn't I-294 use Wisconsin and Indiana for its control cities?
And I-90 and 94. 94 has both Wisconsin and Milwaukee IIRC.
On 94, the control city on the Edens (IDOT) is Milwaukee. But once I-94 merges with the tollway, the control 'city' is Wisconsin heading northbound. It's ISTHA that often uses whole states as controls, not IDOT.
I-55 has the states at I-90/94.
I-90 at Albert Lea - La Crosse & Sioux Falls.
Chris
Quote from: roadman65 on February 24, 2021, 11:29:05 AM
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on February 24, 2021, 11:20:18 AM
Quote from: thspfc on February 23, 2021, 01:31:57 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on February 23, 2021, 01:30:01 PM
Doesn't I-294 use Wisconsin and Indiana for its control cities?
And I-90 and 94. 94 has both Wisconsin and Milwaukee IIRC.
On 94, the control city on the Edens (IDOT) is Milwaukee. But once I-94 merges with the tollway, the control 'city' is Wisconsin heading northbound. It's ISTHA that often uses whole states as controls, not IDOT.
I-55 has the states at I-90/94.
You're right. And I would say that a lot of the directional signage at junctions with tollways do the same. Perhaps they're trying to align with ISTHA? Because you don't see this downstate where interstates meet.
Quote from: Dirt Roads on February 23, 2021, 07:45:52 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 23, 2021, 03:55:55 PM
When I-26 is done in North Carolina, I suspect it will have Spartanburg and Johnson City.
I doubt it. North Carolina is one of those states that prefers to post Control Cities within its own state until there are no other options. I-95 in North Carolina should be posted with Richmond and Savannah throughout the state (another state skipper).
What would they use? Weaverville? Marshall? Mars Hill?
Also, I wonder if I-240 will be truncated to I-26 or if it will continue to be signed around to I-40. If I-240 stays on, I can see "Asheville
DOWNTOWN" being used.
http://corcohighways.org/?p=9913421
I-15 Las Vegas, Northbound lanes say Salt Lake City and SouthBound lanes say Los Angeles.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 23, 2021, 03:55:55 PM
When I-26 is done in North Carolina, I suspect it will have Spartanburg and Johnson City.
Quote from: Dirt Roads on February 23, 2021, 07:45:52 PM
I doubt it. North Carolina is one of those states that prefers to post Control Cities within its own state until there are no other options. I-95 in North Carolina should be posted with Richmond and Savannah throughout the state (another state skipper).
Quote from: hbelkins on February 24, 2021, 03:41:55 PM
What would they use? Weaverville? Marshall? Mars Hill?
Lord only knows. All of those are less populous than either Elkin or Jonesville, but you get my drift here.
I-80 in Salt Lake City (UT) uses Reno (NV) and Cheyenne (WY).
Interestingly enough, once you get out of the city, I-80 switches to local control cities (more applicable for rural areas) and as a result the westbound control becomes Wendover.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 23, 2021, 03:55:55 PM
I-65 in Nashville: Louisville and Huntsville.
I-81 in Hagerstown: Roanoke and Harrisburg.
When I-26 is done in North Carolina, I suspect it will have Spartanburg and Johnson City.
To that same vein, when I-69 is complete, I am sure in Arkansas it will have control cites of Shreveport and Memphis.
Here's one that hasn't been mentioned yet: I-90 in Erie, PA uses Buffalo, NY and Cleveland, OH. Both cities are in use at Exit 22 (I-79 NB (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0245562,-80.1239768,3a,75y,32.33h,87.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZl-FfqXMNrKfundsuVHsvA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)/SB (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0391751,-80.1216341,3a,75y,205.77h,88.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfdpyC0kLAXqi1imDtJlcLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)), Exit 24 (US 19 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0479003,-80.0793884,3a,75y,327.56h,84.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDDpH5pvPjp8lPiVAORHJ5g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1)), Exit 27 (PA 97 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0707247,-80.0409771,3a,15y,159.8h,85.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUsg1MAnCZlzXhvS78wbqYQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1)), and Exit 29 (PA 8 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0945061,-80.0074209,3a,75y,136.24h,81.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2ntiaWr0m-P6uavKOntSvA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)).
All other exits use Erie itself in either one direction or the other. Personally, I'd like to see Buffalo instead of Erie at Exit 18 (PA 832), and Cleveland instead of Erie at Exit 32 (PA 430), bringing the total number of qualifying exits up to six, but that's a minor quibble.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 23, 2021, 07:39:40 PM
I-70 in Hagerstown, MD uses Roanoke and Harrisburg for I-81. The funny thing is the former is two states away.
Looking over this thread, it's amazing how many times this example came up. It's a good one, though - not only are those the control cities used on I-70, as far as I can tell, they're used on
every exit in the state. I-81 has no Maryland control cities at all, at least in Maryland. Hagerstown
is used - but only in Pennsylvania and West Virginia.
How many places are there where a state skips over itself, despite the surrounding states not doing so? Usually it's the reverse.
I-95 in Providence uses Boston (MA) and New York (even skips CT when using NY)
I-84 in Newburgh uses Danbury and Scranton
Not an interstate, but US 6 in Providence uses Cape Cod (multiplexed with I-195) and Hartford (CT)
I-24 around Paducah, KY uses St. Louis (west) and Nashville (east).
I-295 around Richmond, VA uses Washington, DC (north) and Rocky Mt, NC (south).
I-80/90 (Indiana Toll Road) uses Toledo (east) and Chicago (west) at I-69 in Fremont, IN.
I-10 uses Florida (east) and Mississippi (west) at the I-65 terminus in Mobile, AL.
I-10 in Mississippi uses Mobile (east) and New Orleans (west) at most interchanges along the route.
I am sure that whenever I-26 is complete between Asheville and Mars Hill that it will be signed for Johnson City and Spartanburg at the new I-26/I-240 interchange.
Quote from: roadman65 on February 24, 2021, 11:18:47 AM
Does NH use cities outside itself on I-95 being only 17 miles within itself?
I know Boston is used SB, but what does NH use NB?
Maine, or even more specifically "All Maine Points". Really should use Portland.
I-95's control cities in NH are wild. "Maine Points (https://nysroads.com/photos.php?route=i95&state=NH&file=102_0287.JPG)", "All Maine Points (https://nysroads.com/photos.php?route=i95&state=NH&file=102_0288.JPG)", "To All Maine Points (https://nysroads.com/photos.php?route=i95&state=NH&file=102_0290.JPG)", and then simply "Maine (https://nysroads.com/photos.php?route=i95&state=NH&file=102_0293.JPG)".
What's up with Points anyway? How is that in any way more clear than just Maine?
Like, why would Chicago choose to sign Iowa Points on its signs? How would that not actually less intelligible than just Iowa?
Do people in New Hampshire commonly talk about taking a weekend trip up (down?) to "the Maine points"? Or, when they come back, do their friends ask them "What points did you go to?"
I wouldn't mind seeing "Ohio Points" signed on I-90 WB between the OH-PA border and Erie. At least the highway takes you close enough to Cedar Point :)
MA: I-95 uses Portsmouth, NH & Providence, RI between S. Lynnfield (Walnut St.) & Canton (I-93) at several locations along where it's concurrent w/128.
I-275 in Indiana: Ohio and Kentucky.
And I don't know how I overlooked this one. I-77 in Virginia: Bluefield (or Charleston) northbound and Charlotte southbound.
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on February 23, 2021, 05:22:43 PM
its been a long time since i've been there...
... but i want to say the short stretch of i-70 in wv is posted columbus one way, and [some city], pa the other..
Washington, PA. Same with I-470.
From I-287 in New Jersey, the control cities are New York City, NY for I-80 East, and Del Water Gap, PA for I-80 West. (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8675435,-74.4177198,3a,75y,159.3h,96.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQxDj_1I2CkJMT2y1FnViDg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
Quote from: interstate73 on March 15, 2021, 03:03:08 AM
From I-287 in New Jersey, the control cities are New York City, NY for I-80 East, and Del Water Gap, PA for I-80 West. (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8675435,-74.4177198,3a,75y,159.3h,96.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQxDj_1I2CkJMT2y1FnViDg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
You could assume that the control destination is the tiny borough in Pennsylvania, but I think that it is more commonly assumed as the geographic feature along the border of New Jersey and Pennsylvania (or even the National Recreation Area).
Quote from: vdeane on March 01, 2021, 01:45:17 PM
I-95's control cities in NH are wild. "Maine Points (https://nysroads.com/photos.php?route=i95&state=NH&file=102_0287.JPG)", "All Maine Points (https://nysroads.com/photos.php?route=i95&state=NH&file=102_0288.JPG)", "To All Maine Points (https://nysroads.com/photos.php?route=i95&state=NH&file=102_0290.JPG)", and then simply "Maine (https://nysroads.com/photos.php?route=i95&state=NH&file=102_0293.JPG)".
All Maine points is the worst since there are parts of Maine where you should exit onto NH 16 to get to.
Here's a few I recall from a trip this summer:
I-40 in Oklahoma City lists Amarillo (west) and Fort Smith (east)
I-35 in Oklahoma City (at I-40) lists Wichita (north) and Dallas (south)
I-40 in Amarillo has Oklahoma City (east) and Albuquerque (west)
I-55 in Memphis shows Jackson (south) and St. Louis (north)