Long island as we know lacks express truck routes and the some of the only being the LIE and sunrise and the amount of traffic on the LIE and SSP brings up the topic of the Atlantic Expressway which was to replace NY-27 as a 8-10 lane highway with service roads from the belt parkway all the way to NY-109 being that its almost 60 years later and better construction methods it could be built as a viaduct toll road to cover the cost of construction and the existing sunrise acting as the service road this project is similar to the Gateway Expressway project in Pinelles County FL... thoughts?
srry if this is run on
I think you might be looking for the Fictional Highways board if you're talking about the extension across the sound.
Quote from: TravelingBethelite on March 09, 2021, 09:47:21 AM
I think you might be looking for the Fictional Highways board if you're talking about the extension across the sound.
no this does not have to do with the sound bridge as i think the sound bridge is ahead of its time and is not feasible in this day in age im talking about the http://www.nycroads.com/roads/sunrise/ (http://www.nycroads.com/roads/sunrise/) as seen on unbuilt the atlantic expressway is what i am talking about
Where oh where does Interstate 91, a north-south road in New England, come into this?
Quote from: Pete from Boston on March 09, 2021, 10:18:45 AM
Where oh where does Interstate 91, a north-south road in New England, come into this?
Yeah, I was like, "and what does I-91 have to do with this?" Unless OP is suggesting that I-91 be signed on NY 27 via a new LI Sound crossing, but that belongs in the fictional thread.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on March 09, 2021, 10:18:45 AM
Where oh where does Interstate 91, a north-south road in New England, come into this?
wait im retarded i was thinking about a different road
This entire thread should be called Hot Mess of the Day.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on March 09, 2021, 10:30:39 AM
Quote from: Pete from Boston on March 09, 2021, 10:18:45 AM
Where oh where does Interstate 91, a north-south road in New England, come into this?
Yeah, I was like, "and what does I-91 have to do with this?" Unless OP is suggesting that I-91 be signed on NY 27 via a new LI Sound crossing, but that belongs in the fictional thread.
im srry just disregard everything about interstate 91
Quote from: Rothman on March 09, 2021, 10:36:19 AM
This entire thread should be called Hot Mess of the Day.
:-D Sounds about right oof
The Sunrise ought to be a full freeway from the Clearview on out to the current freeway, which of course means the Clearview should also be extended down its original path. Long Island is a hot mess.
Could you make the Sunrise Highway a Jersey Freeway?
Quote from: TheDon102 on March 10, 2021, 01:22:32 AM
Could you make the Sunrise Highway a Jersey Freeway?
that is possible i mean it could be setup kind of like how u get off of sunrise at Carleton Ave u could construct Grade seperations at
Green acres mall
Central Ave
Peninsula Boulevard
keep the existing merrick road interhchange
long beach road
Grand ave
Brookside ave
henry st
Babylon Tpke
Newbridge Rd
Centre ave
bellmore rd
Wantagh Ave
Jackson Ave
NY-107& broadway
and sunrise mall ETC
pretty much major intersections
Quote from: fmendes on March 10, 2021, 08:08:31 AM
Quote from: TheDon102 on March 10, 2021, 01:22:32 AM
Could you make the Sunrise Highway a Jersey Freeway?
that is possible i mean it could be setup kind of like how u get off of sunrise at Carleton Ave u could construct Grade seperations at
Green acres mall
Central Ave
Peninsula Boulevard
keep the existing merrick road interhchange
long beach road
Grand ave
Brookside ave
henry st
Babylon Tpke
Newbridge Rd
Centre ave
bellmore rd
Wantagh Ave
Jackson Ave
NY-107& broadway
and sunrise mall ETC
pretty much major intersections
This is leaning into fictional territory but I'll state this anyway. Constructing an entirely new freeway on the NY-27 corridor is not happening in today's environment, you will destroy south shore towns and the ROW would be astronomically higher than it was in 1970. However, a jersey freeway which would still take significant ROW acquisition mind you, would provide a more freeway like road, which would significantly improve congestion on the south shore all the while providing trucks with a real alternative to the LIE.
Here's the ideal scenario for Long Island
Build the Nassau Expressway. (ROW is available)
Tunnel the Clearview to the Nassau Expressway to provide access to JFK and Sunrise Highway. (Some ROW acquistantion required)
Turn the Sunrise Highway into a Jersey Freeway until Suffolk County (when it becomes a freeway)
Quote from: TheDon102 on March 10, 2021, 02:32:40 PM
Quote from: fmendes on March 10, 2021, 08:08:31 AM
Quote from: TheDon102 on March 10, 2021, 01:22:32 AM
Could you make the Sunrise Highway a Jersey Freeway?
that is possible i mean it could be setup kind of like how u get off of sunrise at Carleton Ave u could construct Grade seperations at
Green acres mall
Central Ave
Peninsula Boulevard
keep the existing merrick road interhchange
long beach road
Grand ave
Brookside ave
henry st
Babylon Tpke
Newbridge Rd
Centre ave
bellmore rd
Wantagh Ave
Jackson Ave
NY-107& broadway
and sunrise mall ETC
pretty much major intersections
This is leaning into fictional territory but I'll state this anyway. Constructing an entirely new freeway on the NY-27 corridor is not happening in today's environment, you will destroy south shore towns and the ROW would be astronomically higher than it was in 1970. However, a jersey freeway which would still take significant ROW acquisition mind you, would provide a more freeway like road, which would significantly improve congestion on the south shore all the while providing trucks with a real alternative to the LIE.
Here's the ideal scenario for Long Island
Build the Nassau Expressway. (ROW is available)
Tunnel the Clearview to the Nassau Expressway to provide access to JFK and Sunrise Highway. (Some ROW acquistantion required)
Turn the Sunrise Highway into a Jersey Freeway until Suffolk County (when it becomes a freeway)
It would still be astronomical because each grade separation costs tens of millions. How many you want?
Quote from: Alps on March 10, 2021, 06:34:37 PM
Quote from: TheDon102 on March 10, 2021, 02:32:40 PM
Quote from: fmendes on March 10, 2021, 08:08:31 AM
Quote from: TheDon102 on March 10, 2021, 01:22:32 AM
Could you make the Sunrise Highway a Jersey Freeway?
that is possible i mean it could be setup kind of like how u get off of sunrise at Carleton Ave u could construct Grade seperations at
Green acres mall
Central Ave
Peninsula Boulevard
keep the existing merrick road interhchange
long beach road
Grand ave
Brookside ave
henry st
Babylon Tpke
Newbridge Rd
Centre ave
bellmore rd
Wantagh Ave
Jackson Ave
NY-107& broadway
and sunrise mall ETC
pretty much major intersections
This is leaning into fictional territory but I'll state this anyway. Constructing an entirely new freeway on the NY-27 corridor is not happening in today's environment, you will destroy south shore towns and the ROW would be astronomically higher than it was in 1970. However, a jersey freeway which would still take significant ROW acquisition mind you, would provide a more freeway like road, which would significantly improve congestion on the south shore all the while providing trucks with a real alternative to the LIE.
Here's the ideal scenario for Long Island
Build the Nassau Expressway. (ROW is available)
Tunnel the Clearview to the Nassau Expressway to provide access to JFK and Sunrise Highway. (Some ROW acquistantion required)
Turn the Sunrise Highway into a Jersey Freeway until Suffolk County (when it becomes a freeway)
It would still be astronomical because each grade separation costs tens of millions. How many you want?
either that or create the jug handles like the one at NY-347&NY-111
I think he means the arterial section of NY 27 from the Belt Parkway to NY 109 along the Sunrise Highway.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 11, 2021, 10:46:48 AM
I think he means the arterial section of NY 27 from the Belt Parkway to NY 109 along the Sunrise Highway.
are u talking about me or no if so that's what i was talking about
Quote from: Alps on March 10, 2021, 06:34:37 PM
It would still be astronomical because each grade separation costs tens of millions. How many you want?
Since were talking about a 20 mile stretch of the NY-27, which mind you already has grade separated interchanges at parkways and expressways, constructing around 10 additional grade separations seems about right, mainly to give access to South Shore towns and major arterial roads.
For example, NJ-17 works rather well, and its interchanges are spaced out.
fmendes, meet A00234826 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=12650). You're like twins, except he/she focuses on I-495 in Massachusetts instead of in New York.
Yes, the entire length of 27 should be limited access, including extending it east to montauk point, plenty of room for an elevated expressway. If it connected to the Williamsburg bridge on the western end, it could be designated I-78, if the extensions of I 78 across lower Manhattan and brooklyn/queens were built as well.
A reversible Super 2 from the end of the Sunrise Highway through through the Hamptons and out to Heather Hills State Park would do much to alleviate weekend traffic problems. It could be eastbound only on Fridays and westbound only on Sundays with it being two-ways on other days. Its RoW requirements would be minimum.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 12, 2021, 10:54:34 PM
Yes, the entire length of 27 should be limited access, including extending it east to montauk point, plenty of room for an elevated expressway. If it connected to the Williamsburg bridge on the western end, it could be designated I-78, if the extensions of I 78 across lower Manhattan and brooklyn/queens were built as well.
LMAOOOOO!!!!
Quote from: TheDon102 on August 13, 2021, 04:29:42 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 12, 2021, 10:54:34 PM
Yes, the entire length of 27 should be limited access, including extending it east to montauk point, plenty of room for an elevated expressway. If it connected to the Williamsburg bridge on the western end, it could be designated I-78, if the extensions of I 78 across lower Manhattan and brooklyn/queens were built as well.
LMAOOOOO!!!!
I-78 should not just end at the Holland tunnel. It should be extended over little Italy and soho via a 10 lane elevated expressway and go over either the Williamsburg or manhattan bridge, then straddle the Brooklyn Queens Border, before continuing along the belt parkway in queens and the entire length of route 27. The Holland tunnel should also be 5 lanes in each direction.
Quote from: fmendes on March 09, 2021, 09:42:57 AM
Long island as we know lacks express truck routes and the some of the only being the LIE and sunrise and the amount of traffic on the LIE and SSP brings up the topic of the Atlantic Expressway which was to replace NY-27 as a 8-10 lane highway with service roads from the belt parkway all the way to NY-109 being that its almost 60 years later and better construction methods it could be built as a viaduct toll road to cover the cost of construction and the existing sunrise acting as the service road this project is similar to the Gateway Expressway project in Pinelles County FL... thoughts?
srry if this is run on
Oh and the southern state parkway is literally USELESS. It would function better as a wide and straight avenue than its flip-your-car-over curves and gridlock every day. The LIE on the other hand, is a revolutionary road where road rage ends and the thrill of driving begins.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 04:35:18 PM
Quote from: TheDon102 on August 13, 2021, 04:29:42 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 12, 2021, 10:54:34 PM
Yes, the entire length of 27 should be limited access, including extending it east to montauk point, plenty of room for an elevated expressway. If it connected to the Williamsburg bridge on the western end, it could be designated I-78, if the extensions of I 78 across lower Manhattan and brooklyn/queens were built as well.
LMAOOOOO!!!!
I-78 should not just end at the Holland tunnel. It should be extended over little Italy and soho via a 10 lane elevated expressway and go over either the Williamsburg or manhattan bridge, then straddle the Brooklyn Queens Border, before continuing along the belt parkway in queens and the entire length of route 27. The Holland tunnel should also be 5 lanes in each direction.
It was possible in the 1950s and 1960s, not now. Never in a million years.
If I ever win the lottery, I will offer a few million dollars to construct ALL of the unbuilt tri-state highways 3x over.
You'd need... many more millions than that. Lottery winnings would barely cover an environmental impact study.
Well the car emissions would be the same, but the traffic speed should be higher, same number of cars, but just another highway to diffuse it. I know they worried about CO poisoning if I 78 was routed under Broome st/Christie street in lower Manhattan, which is one of the reasons they dropped it, but I could see a massive elevated highway above brooklyn and the south shore being environmentally feasible.
With very very rare exceptions, there will never be a single mile of new road built in the NYC metro ever again. Period.
Well that is why NYC has far worse traffic than even LA. LA has a nice complete interlocking grid of interstates. NYC just has half-ass, truncated, parkways that just stop, instead of continuing through to other highways. Almost every highway goes around the perimeter, Brooklyn has NO highways serving anywhere inland in the borough. The prospect expressway and Jackie Robinson parkway are laughing stocks. Not ONE of the auxiliary 3 digit highways ending in 78 connect to 78, not one. Clearview just grinds to a halt in queens, nassau expressway, and staten island pfftt HA HA HA they have the most unbuilt roads out of any borough. The west side "highway" with a 30 mph speed limit and superlong lights. The best part is the "speed enforcement ahead slow down" signs during rush hour!
I'm sorry. It's over. There's no future for freeways in the metro. Public transit is better anyway, unless you're a certain member of this site who has issues with it.
The future isn't in freeways in the NYC metro. At this point money is going to upgrading and rebuilding where necessarily.
Nah, all MTA money should go toward improving the roads. Interstate Highways have been and always will be the gems of New York City.
lol no. You are sadly mistaken on the route this country is going, let alone in the NYC metro.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 10:24:02 PM
Nah, all MTA money should go toward improving the roads. Interstate Highways have been and always will be the gems of New York City.
No the MTA money should strictly be with MTA-related projects. The money for better highways should go to state and county highway departments.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 10:24:02 PM
Nah, all MTA money should go toward improving the roads. Interstate Highways have been and always will be the gems of New York City.
Oh yeah, I can see interstate highways somehow replacing subways and the elevated lines through Manhattan and Brooklyn. Somehow replacing the capacity of both of those modes of transit with single-use cars would totally be efficient and not a waste of taxpayer dollars.
Quote from: seicer on August 14, 2021, 09:30:51 AM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 10:24:02 PM
Nah, all MTA money should go toward improving the roads. Interstate Highways have been and always will be the gems of New York City.
Oh yeah, I can see interstate highways somehow replacing subways and the elevated lines through Manhattan and Brooklyn. Somehow replacing the capacity of both of those modes of transit with single-use cars would totally be efficient and not a waste of taxpayer dollars.
Favorite post of the thread so far.
Quote from: seicer on August 14, 2021, 09:30:51 AM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 10:24:02 PM
Nah, all MTA money should go toward improving the roads. Interstate Highways have been and always will be the gems of New York City.
Oh yeah, I can see interstate highways somehow replacing subways and the elevated lines through Manhattan and Brooklyn. Somehow replacing the capacity of both of those modes of transit with single-use cars would totally be efficient and not a waste of taxpayer dollars.
That's not what I was suggesting. Forcing toll rates on bridges to all go to mass transit puts our roads at risk and was a bad idea. Doing the exact opposite as Mike2357 suggested was equally bad.
Quote from: D-Dey65 on August 14, 2021, 09:56:19 AM
Quote from: seicer on August 14, 2021, 09:30:51 AM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 10:24:02 PM
Nah, all MTA money should go toward improving the roads. Interstate Highways have been and always will be the gems of New York City.
Oh yeah, I can see interstate highways somehow replacing subways and the elevated lines through Manhattan and Brooklyn. Somehow replacing the capacity of both of those modes of transit with single-use cars would totally be efficient and not a waste of taxpayer dollars.
That's not what I was suggesting. Forcing toll rates on bridges to all go to mass transit puts our roads at risk and was a bad idea. Doing the exact opposite as Mike2357 suggested was equally bad.
Except that is not how MTA's budget is even structured: https://new.mta.info/budget/MTA-operating-budget-basics
MTA's budget makes State DOTs' budgets look like old checkbook ledgers.
Quote from: seicer on August 14, 2021, 09:30:51 AM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 10:24:02 PM
Nah, all MTA money should go toward improving the roads. Interstate Highways have been and always will be the gems of New York City.
Oh yeah, I can see interstate highways somehow replacing subways and the elevated lines through Manhattan and Brooklyn. Somehow replacing the capacity of both of those modes of transit with single-use cars would totally be efficient and not a waste of taxpayer dollars.
Subway trains can't go 120-150 mph like most cars can though. Every other avenue, and every 10th cross street in Manhattan should be converted into expressway.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 12:05:13 PM
Subway trains can't go 120-150 mph like most cars can though.
Cars can't go anywhere near that fast in NYC (nor above 65mph elsewhere in NY), so that argument is absolutely meaningless. Also, where would all of the extra cars park?
Quote from: odditude on August 14, 2021, 02:04:20 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 12:05:13 PM
Subway trains can't go 120-150 mph like most cars can though.
Cars can't go anywhere near that fast in NYC (nor above 65mph elsewhere in NY), so that argument is absolutely meaningless. Also, where would all of the extra cars park?
But Subway trains never exceed 40 mph, and yes during thr pandemic you were able to go 100-120 mph on even the most normally congested roads.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 12:05:13 PM
Quote from: seicer on August 14, 2021, 09:30:51 AM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 10:24:02 PM
Nah, all MTA money should go toward improving the roads. Interstate Highways have been and always will be the gems of New York City.
Oh yeah, I can see interstate highways somehow replacing subways and the elevated lines through Manhattan and Brooklyn. Somehow replacing the capacity of both of those modes of transit with single-use cars would totally be efficient and not a waste of taxpayer dollars.
Subway trains can't go 120-150 mph like most cars can though. Every other avenue, and every 10th cross street in Manhattan should be converted into expressway.
I've been awoken by my 2 year lurking slumber by this gem right here. Bravo...
As for parking, every house should have a driveway, and every 3rd cubic block should have at least 1 parking garage on a corner.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 12:05:13 PM
Quote from: seicer on August 14, 2021, 09:30:51 AM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 10:24:02 PM
Nah, all MTA money should go toward improving the roads. Interstate Highways have been and always will be the gems of New York City.
Oh yeah, I can see interstate highways somehow replacing subways and the elevated lines through Manhattan and Brooklyn. Somehow replacing the capacity of both of those modes of transit with single-use cars would totally be efficient and not a waste of taxpayer dollars.
Subway trains can't go 120-150 mph like most cars can though. Every other avenue, and every 10th cross street in Manhattan should be converted into expressway.
gotta be a troll
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 03:17:08 PM
As for parking, every house should have a driveway, and every 3rd cubic block should have at least 1 parking garage on a corner.
And where exactly do you plan to find the space for driveways & parking garages everywhere? :-D
Quote from: TheDon102 on August 14, 2021, 07:08:25 PM
gotta be a troll
Reads to me like dzlsabe but with Long Island instead of Chicago :pan:
I ain't trolling. An underground spiral shaped parking lot and NYC should evolve into the car capital of the world. Driving is also better for people's mental health than just being bored out of your mind sitting a gross subway.
Quote from: jmacswimmer on August 14, 2021, 07:17:58 PM
Quote from: TheDon102 on August 14, 2021, 07:08:25 PM
gotta be a troll
Reads to me like dzlsabe but with Long Island instead of Chicago :pan:
dzlsabe focused on one specific thing. This (especially the post after yours) reads more like kernals12. (HighwayStar pushes back against criticism much more than Mike2357 does.)
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 07:32:49 PM
An underground spiral shaped parking lot
Good luck designing them around all the subway lines (not to mention Penn Station & Grand Central).
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 07:32:49 PM
gross subway.
Ok I take it back: you're not a dzlsabe sockpuppet, you're a kernals12 sockpuppet :ded: (You beat me to it, 1!)
The subway line would be modified to wrap around the spiral parking lot in the opposite direction, both horizontally and vertically, similar to the double helix structure of DNA. Regardless, cars and roads should always take priority over public transportation.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 14, 2021, 08:04:43 PM
The subway line would be modified to wrap around the spiral parking lot in the opposite direction, both horizontally and vertically, similar to the double helix structure of DNA. Regardless, cars and roads should always take priority over public transportation.
Why?
To make both fit. Removing, or leaving planned roads unbuilt is destroying the essence of NYC. Every car deserves a parking spot.
No they don't. There's a better argument for eliminating all cars south of 125 in Manhattan outside of the FDR Drive & West Side Highway
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 09:59:20 AM
To make both fit. Removing, or leaving planned roads unbuilt is destroying the essence of NYC. Every car deserves a parking spot.
Here's a realistic proposal for you, an elevated mid manhattan expressway in 3-3-3-3 local express configuration with 6 lane service roads to the side, 12 lanes until at least riverhead where you then have a 24 lane bridge connecting North shore to Rhode island, also the median must be at least 50 feet, mass transit is
BANNED from using the median
Lower Manhattan Expressway (I-78) also in 3-3-3-3 configuration to the BQE, where it will then bisect the neighborhood of bushwick with 12 lanes with service roads until the nassau expressway! 78 will then cut through the city of long beach and jones beach to connect it to NY-27 via a bridge through Massapequa. 78 will then destroy all the south shore towns until it reaches the freeway section in Suffolk County. 78 will then go through the hamptoms and montauk to connect to another bridge connecting the south shore to New Shoreham, Martha's Vineyard and Cape Cod.
:bigass: /s
YES PLEASE!!! That gap in 495 between the midtown and Lincoln tunnel is driving me nuts. But it should be 5-5-5-5. You are forgetting the Manhattan bridge spur (I-878) that would also connect to I-278. The Holland tunnel should also be 3-5 lanes in each direction with a 70 mph speed limit inside. Of they don't ever build that 10 story high 20 lane freeway across Manhattan, then they better redesignate route 495 in NJ because it has no right to have the honor of being 495, when it is nothing compared to that lovely long island expressway. Also, after 495 is extended through the northfork and into Connecticut, and 78 extended to montauk point, I also want a Transfork expressway from around Southold, through shelter island, ending at I-78. This would only need to be 5 lanes on each side. And for heaven's sake PLEASE extend I-287 across the sound from Rye to Oyster Bay and along the Seaford Oyster Bay Expressway to (almost) complete the beltway around NYC, is that too much to ask for???
Quote from: TheDon102 on August 15, 2021, 02:15:47 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 09:59:20 AM
To make both fit. Removing, or leaving planned roads unbuilt is destroying the essence of NYC. Every car deserves a parking spot.
Here's a realistic proposal for you, an elevated mid manhattan expressway in 3-3-3-3 local express configuration with 6 lane service roads to the side, 12 lanes until at least riverhead where you then have a 24 lane bridge connecting North shore to Rhode island, also the median must be at least 50 feet, mass transit is BANNED from using the median
Lower Manhattan Expressway (I-78) also in 3-3-3-3 configuration to the BQE, where it will then bisect the neighborhood of bushwick with 12 lanes with service roads until the nassau expressway! 78 will then cut through the city of long beach and jones beach to connect it to NY-27 via a bridge through Massapequa. 78 will then destroy all the south shore towns until it reaches the freeway section in Suffolk County. 78 will then go through the hamptoms and montauk to connect to another bridge connecting the south shore to New Shoreham, Martha's Vineyard and Cape Cod.
:bigass: /s
Next for Queens, Throggs Neck Bridge twinned, 12 lanes for the clearview until GCP interchange, where the Clearview will add two lanes and go into local express lanes until the nassau where it will terminate at JFK Airport. Van Wyck Expressway, 12 lanes until Whitestone Expwy when it will connect to a new Whitestone bridge which holds 12 lanes. Jackie Robinson Parkway widening to 8 lanes, built to Belt Parkway in Sheepshead Bay. BQE rebuilt to 8 lanes, with auxiliary lanes when needed. Interboro Expressway built from the mid manhattan tunnel to the Nassau expressway :banghead:. Woodhaven blvd converted into an expressway along with queens blvd. All subway lines destroyed using the ashes of robert moses as an igniter. :spin:
For the Bronx, Deegan Expressway widening from 6 to 8 lanes, with additional lanes at CBX interchange. Throgs Neck Expressway widened from 6 to 12 lanes in local expressway configuration, Cross Bronx Expressway widened to 14 lanes with added ROW for an additional 10 lanes, Sheridan expressway built from Bruckner to New England thruway. City Line expressway built 8 lanes from New England Thruway to Henry Hudson parkway. :spin:
For Staten Island, Staten Island Expressway widened from 8 lanes to at least 12, with an additional hov lane and 2 HOT lanes, West Shore Expressway widened from 4 to 8 lanes (DONT USE THE MEDIAN!!!). Including a new bridge connecting Tottenville to Keyport. Richmond parkway extended beyond the SIE to a new bridge connecting North Shore of Staten Island with lower manhattan, also build westway (I-478) to at least the Governor Mario Cuomo Bridge upgrading the saw mill parkway to a super highway!! :spin: and then continue until you hit 684!
CARS CARS CARS CARS CARS
:spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin:
/s
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 02:35:40 PM
YES PLEASE!!! That gap in 495 between the midtown and Lincoln tunnel is driving me nuts. But it should be 5-5-5-5. You are forgetting the Manhattan bridge spur (I-878) that would also connect to I-278. The Holland tunnel should also be 3-5 lanes in each direction with a 70 mph speed limit inside. Of they don't ever build that 10 story high 20 lane freeway across Manhattan, then they better redesignate route 495 in NJ because it has no right to have the honor of being 495, when it is nothing compared to that lovely long island expressway. Also, after 495 is extended through the northfork and into Connecticut, and 78 extended to montauk point, I also want a Transfork expressway from around Southold, through shelter island, ending at I-78. This would only need to be 5 lanes on each side. And for heaven's sake PLEASE extend I-287 across the sound from Rye to Oyster Bay and along the Seaford Oyster Bay Expressway to (almost) complete the beltway around NYC, is that too much to ask for???
Robert Moses would be so proud. :love:
Robert Moses was the Savior of NYC, and all those against more interstate Highways will face negative karma as they drive on the existing roads...
Also, in addition to I-278 being extended west to the GSP in Kelinworth, to I-78 at route 24, along route 24 to I-287, it should also go to I-80 in Ruxbury, then along route 15 in NJ northwest to I-84 in Pennsylvania. It would be 10 lanes each side in NYC, 8 lanes each side in NJ, and 5 lanes each side in the small stretch in PA. The George Washington Bridge would get an additional deck, for commercial vehicles ONLY. The upper for both, and the middle only for cars. The Hutchinson river parkway would be straightened out and designated I-678 all the way to I-684. A cross brooklyn expressway would be built from 6th Avenue Exit on the Gowanus expwy, right by brooklyn college (my school) and meeting I-78 and the belt parkway at a triple merge at the southeast brooklyn queens border. Route 111 in Manorville should be upgraded to an expressway and a tunnel with 15 lanes on each side would be built from New Haven CT to the Williamsburg floyd parkway in Long island, all would be an extension of I-91. A spur, I-795 would connect from Bridgeport CT, to the Sagikos PKWY in Long Island, but would only have 7 lanes each side.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 03:05:07 PM
Also, in addition to I-278 being extended west to the GSP in Kelinworth, to I-78 at route 24, along route 24 to I-287, it should also go to I-80 in Ruxbury, then along route 15 in NJ northwest to I-84 in Pennsylvania. It would be 10 lanes each side in NYC, 8 lanes each side in NJ, and 5 lanes each side in the small stretch in PA. The George Washington Bridge would get an additional deck, for commercial vehicles ONLY. The upper for both, and the middle only for cars. The Hutchinson river parkway would be straightened out and designated I-678 all the way to I-684. A cross brooklyn expressway would be built from 6th Avenue Exit on the Gowanus expwy, right by brooklyn college (my school) and meeting I-78 and the belt parkway at a triple merge at the southeast brooklyn queens border. Route 111 in Manorville should be upgraded to an expressway and a tunnel with 15 lanes on each side would be built from New Haven CT to the Williamsburg floyd parkway in Long island, all would be an extension of I-91. A spur, I-795 would connect from Bridgeport CT, to the Sagikos PKWY in Long Island, but would only have 7 lanes each side.
Are you doing this for a class or something? Like what do you gain by trolling on here?
This isn't trolling. Traffic in this country needs to be eliminated at all costs once and for all. You should visit my thread on proposed tri state highway extensions, this barely scratches the surface.
I needed to up my Lexapro after learning that I-76 doesn't include the Atlantic city expressway.
This thread has gone to the dogs.
Speaking of the Atlantic Expressway OP idea (quite brilliant btw), the number of Lanes I-78 would have would be as follows:
New Jersey: 5 Lanes Each Side, including Holland tunnel
Lower Manhattan Expressway: 10 Lanes Each side
Bushwick Expressway: 8 Lanes Each side
Nassau Expressway: 7 Lanes Each side
Sunrise in Nassau: 6 Lanes Each side
Sunrise in Suffolk: 5 Lanes Each Side
You forgot Poland.
Quote from: NE2 on August 15, 2021, 04:16:28 PM
You forgot Poland.
It's on I-86. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland,_Chautauqua_County,_New_York)
Quote from: 1 on August 15, 2021, 04:22:22 PM
Quote from: NE2 on August 15, 2021, 04:16:28 PM
You forgot Poland.
It's on I-86. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland,_Chautauqua_County,_New_York)
I-86 should be extended east along NY route 17 (how long does it take them to upgrade lol) to the thruway, past I-87 and end at the palisades parkway. Maybe a super tunnel through the route 6 corridor mountain ranges could carry 86 even further somewhere I Connecticut, helping to relieve some traffic around Hartford.
This should be moved to the fictional highways category since that's all this has become.
I didn't start this thread, but I agree, 99% of any highway discussion in NYC should be in fictional because only 1% of highways were actually built, so I hope it does get moved.
This is for current, future, and past highway discussion - not for fictional conversations that you've been flooding this thread with (no offense). You should look into the Fictional Highways board for your posts: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?board=20.0
OT, but's always bothered me that one has to take the 7/42nd St. Shuttle from Grand Central to Times Square, then transfer to a 1/2/3 train just to get to Penn Station.
Once the East Side Access project is done, just one transfer from MNRR to LIRR will be need to get there.
I would prefer that the MNRR Park Ave Line be extended to Penn so that everyone can get a one-seat ride, but that would be way more expensive.
Quote from: TheDon102 on August 15, 2021, 02:43:27 PM
Next for Queens, Throggs Neck Bridge twinned,
On a more serious note, is this still really necessary now that the toll plaza is all-electronic?
Quote from: TheDon102 on August 15, 2021, 02:43:27 PM
For the Bronx, Deegan Expressway widening from 6 to 8 lanes, with additional lanes at CBX interchange. Throgs Neck Expressway widened from 6 to 12 lanes in local expressway configuration, Cross Bronx Expressway widened to 14 lanes with added ROW for an additional 10 lanes, Sheridan expressway built from Bruckner to New England thruway. City Line expressway built 8 lanes from New England Thruway to Henry Hudson parkway. :spin:
The Sheridan Expressway is the one thing I can agree with. If hypothetically, the City Line Expressway were to be built, it would be better off only going as far as the New York State Thruway (though I can't be 100% sure about the interchange configuration).
Quote from: TheDon102 on August 15, 2021, 02:43:27 PM
For Staten Island, Staten Island Expressway widened from 8 lanes to at least 12, with an additional hov lane and 2 HOT lanes, West Shore Expressway widened from 4 to 8 lanes (DONT USE THE MEDIAN!!!). Including a new bridge connecting Tottenville to Keyport. Richmond parkway extended beyond the SIE to a new bridge connecting North Shore of Staten Island with lower manhattan, also build westway (I-478) to at least the Governor Mario Cuomo Bridge upgrading the saw mill parkway to a super highway!! :spin: and then continue until you hit 684!
Aw, hell just revive the extension of the Korean War Veterans Memorial Parkway to the revised Todt Hill Interchange, and maybe upgrade it as an expressway. Also, revive the Wolf Hill Parkway, South Shore Parkway. and extend the West Shore Expressway north towards the Bayonne Bridge. And rebuild and relocate the Eltingville Transit Center. Don't demolish it. The only other crossings that should be built on Staten Island is a replacement for the current Outerbridge Crossing, and the St. George Subway Tunnel.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on March 09, 2021, 10:18:45 AM
Where oh where does Interstate 91, a north-south road in New England, come into this?
Through the formerly proposed Suffolk County Road 101 extension. Didn't you know the proposal for the Atlantic Expressway included CR 101 north of NY 27?
That's actually the thing that bothers me about it. The road should've just stayed on the South Shore and be extended into Amagansett instead. From there you could just link up to the Montauk Point State Parkway as is.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on August 16, 2021, 02:22:22 PM
OT, but's always bothered me that one has to take the 7/42nd St. Shuttle from Grand Central to Times Square, then transfer to a 1/2/3 train just to get to Penn Station.
For some reason, that doesn't really bother me.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on August 16, 2021, 02:22:22 PM
Once the East Side Access project is done, just one transfer from MNRR to LIRR will be need to get there.
I would prefer that the MNRR Park Ave Line be extended to Penn so that everyone can get a one-seat ride, but that would be way more expensive.
Well, there is the proposed Penn Station Access project, but that would only benefit the Hudson and New Haven Lines.
Also, we know this thread is going to be transferred to the Fictional Highways board at some point, but since it includes a lot of topics, perhaps it should be broken up once the thread is transferred.
Quote from: TheDon102 on August 15, 2021, 02:15:47 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 09:59:20 AM
To make both fit. Removing, or leaving planned roads unbuilt is destroying the essence of NYC. Every car deserves a parking spot.
Here's a realistic proposal for you, an elevated mid manhattan expressway in 3-3-3-3 local express configuration with 6 lane service roads to the side, 12 lanes until at least riverhead where you then have a 24 lane bridge connecting North shore to Rhode island, also the median must be at least 50 feet, mass transit is BANNED from using the median
Lower Manhattan Expressway (I-78) also in 3-3-3-3 configuration to the BQE, where it will then bisect the neighborhood of bushwick with 12 lanes with service roads until the nassau expressway! 78 will then cut through the city of long beach and jones beach to connect it to NY-27 via a bridge through Massapequa. 78 will then destroy all the south shore towns until it reaches the freeway section in Suffolk County. 78 will then go through the hamptoms and montauk to connect to another bridge connecting the south shore to New Shoreham, Martha's Vineyard and Cape Cod.
:bigass: /s
Are you crazy? That would destroy the city.
Quote from: bluecountry on September 12, 2021, 10:23:01 PM
Quote from: TheDon102 on August 15, 2021, 02:15:47 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 15, 2021, 09:59:20 AM
To make both fit. Removing, or leaving planned roads unbuilt is destroying the essence of NYC. Every car deserves a parking spot.
Here's a realistic proposal for you, an elevated mid manhattan expressway in 3-3-3-3 local express configuration with 6 lane service roads to the side, 12 lanes until at least riverhead where you then have a 24 lane bridge connecting North shore to Rhode island, also the median must be at least 50 feet, mass transit is BANNED from using the median
Lower Manhattan Expressway (I-78) also in 3-3-3-3 configuration to the BQE, where it will then bisect the neighborhood of bushwick with 12 lanes with service roads until the nassau expressway! 78 will then cut through the city of long beach and jones beach to connect it to NY-27 via a bridge through Massapequa. 78 will then destroy all the south shore towns until it reaches the freeway section in Suffolk County. 78 will then go through the hamptoms and montauk to connect to another bridge connecting the south shore to New Shoreham, Martha's Vineyard and Cape Cod.
:bigass: /s
Are you crazy? That would destroy the city.
For some reason people are taking that post incredibly seriously.