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Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: thisdj78 on March 21, 2021, 02:38:23 PM
Houston's freeway layout seems like it is the most symmetrical of any city in the world. I remember thinking that even as a kid before I moved to TX and would collect maps.

Is there any other large city in the world that is similar?
Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: Echostatic on March 21, 2021, 05:25:23 PM
I feel like Indianapolis is the next best example in the US, just with less loops. The spokes are very well defined, though:

(https://i.imgur.com/K4HBWxl.png)
Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: thisdj78 on March 21, 2021, 06:44:49 PM
Only thing missing would be I-69 running through Downtown Indy and it would give Houston a close run.
Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: OCGuy81 on March 21, 2021, 08:58:53 PM
I think Atlanta might warrant an honorable mention.

NE = I-85
N= US 19
NW = I-75
W= I-20
SW = I-85
S= I-675
SE = I-75
E= I-20
Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: thisdj78 on March 21, 2021, 09:24:44 PM
I think what makes Houston unique vs. Indy or ATL is that it has two loops that have perfectly straight portions on all sides.

(https://i.imgur.com/zAOghE2.jpg)
Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: SkyPesos on March 21, 2021, 09:46:13 PM
Since you included the whole world, I'll nominate Beijing and Chengdu for symmetry.
Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: CoreySamson on March 21, 2021, 09:50:01 PM
I've never understood why people on this forum seem to like grids better than hub-and-spoke layouts. Houston's road network is just so simple and intuitive, IMO. Accident on I-45 north at 249? Just take the Hardy Toll Road to Beltway 8 to get around it. The loops give you options on your commute if there is traffic.
Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: Revive 755 on March 21, 2021, 10:18:02 PM
I'm not sure it's quite as symmetric, but I would consider Fort Worth closest in the US to the ideal radial layout.  It is only missing the cancelled TX 199 facility for the NW direction.
Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: thisdj78 on March 21, 2021, 10:28:01 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on March 21, 2021, 09:46:13 PM
Since you included the whole world, I'll nominate Beijing and Chengdu for symmetry.

I just noticed that if you flip a map of Beijing, the most outer ring almost resembles what a finished Grand Parkway would look like:

(https://i.imgur.com/ri0lpAt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/NGgoReJ.jpg)
Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: US 89 on March 21, 2021, 10:28:36 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on March 21, 2021, 08:58:53 PM
I think Atlanta might warrant an honorable mention.

NE = I-85
N= US 19GA 400
NW = I-75
W= I-20
SW = I-85
S= I-75
SE = I-675
E= I-20

FTFY. Yes, the freeway that leaves Atlanta to the north has US 19 shields on it past the perimeter, but absolutely nobody calls it that.
Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: Chris on March 22, 2021, 07:11:03 AM
As Chengdu was mentioned: it has three urban ring roads and three regional ring roads. The longest is over 250 miles long.

The inner ring roads:
(https://i.imgur.com/mPuHlPE.png)

The outer ring roads:
(https://i.imgur.com/7QkxtFo.png)

The two outer ring roads are more connections between peripheral cities than a true bypass of Chengdu.
Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: Henry on March 24, 2021, 10:43:48 AM
Washington, DC is another good candidate for it:

NW--I-270/MD 355
N--US 29/I-95/US 1
NE--BW Parkway
E--US 50
SE--MD 4
S--I-295/MD 210
SW--I-95/I-395
W--I-66
Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: JayhawkCO on March 24, 2021, 12:12:20 PM
Denver also a good fit.

N - I-25
NE - I-76
E - I-70
SE - CO83
S - I-25
SW - US285
W - I -70
NW - US36

Chris
Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: achilles765 on March 24, 2021, 02:36:14 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on March 21, 2021, 09:50:01 PM
I've never understood why people on this forum seem to like grids better than hub-and-spoke layouts. Houston's road network is just so simple and intuitive, IMO. Accident on I-45 north at 249? Just take the Hardy Toll Road to Beltway 8 to get around it. The loops give you options on your commute if there is traffic.

The way our system is laid out there are so many alternate routes. I remember when I lived in memorial city, if traffic was bad heading to downtown I'd hop onto west park to 610 to memorial. Or when I'd be heading to montrose to go to the bars with friends.. and I almost always used hardy to the beltway between the hours or 6 am-9 am and 3 pm to 7 pm when I lived in magnolia.
Now I live inside the loop and use metro until I decide to buy a car again. I love being inside the loop.
Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: MinecraftNinja on March 24, 2021, 03:25:01 PM
Boston is almost symmetrical. 90/93/95 with routes 2, 3, 24 and 128
Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: hotdogPi on March 24, 2021, 03:50:13 PM
I think what contributes to Houston's network looking so neat isn't the symmetry, but the lack of diagonals (in this context, freeways that both move inward/outward and around), such as GA 154/166.
Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: thisdj78 on March 28, 2021, 10:12:47 PM
Quote from: 1 on March 24, 2021, 03:50:13 PM
I think what contributes to Houston's network looking so neat isn't the symmetry, but the lack of diagonals (in this context, freeways that both move inward/outward and around), such as GA 154/166.

That and the highways have a lot of straight stretches compared to most cities. That's probably due to very little geographical limitations. Phoenix is very similar but they don't have any complete continuous loops.
Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: westerninterloper on March 29, 2021, 10:26:38 PM
Indy's symmetry can also be explained as a planned city (1820) and state routes designed in the 1920s to radiate from the capital city. The interstate (1960s) symmetry is less perfect than the first two, but attests to Indy's location between many major midwest cities.

Houston's more like an octagon and spoke system, rather than a wheel? When I think of wheel and spokes, Dothan Ala. and Lexington, Ky come to mind.
Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: abqtraveler on April 02, 2021, 09:06:13 AM
Quote from: thisdj78 on March 21, 2021, 02:38:23 PM
Houston's freeway layout seems like it is the most symmetrical of any city in the world. I remember thinking that even as a kid before I moved to TX and would collect maps.

Is there any other large city in the world that is similar?

I would include Tokyo and Moscow as strong competitors for having the most symmetrical spoke-and-wheel highway layout in the world. Each city has multiple "ring expressways" with radial expressways running out from each city's center to the surrounding exurbs. At some point, Manila will join this club as well with all the freeway building that's currently going on in the Philippines.
Title: Houston’s Nearly Symmetrical “Spoke/Wheel” Layout: Most Unique in the World?
Post by: mgk920 on April 12, 2021, 06:33:59 PM
Where would Moscow (as in 'Russia') rank in this list?

Mike