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Title: Underbuilt Interchanges
Post by: tolbs17 on April 25, 2021, 03:35:04 PM
They should get rid of this loop and replace it with a flyover. The AADT on the loop is over 10,000 and it gets bloody congested. And yet, it opened in 2007.

You know what, make this whole interchange a 4-level stack. Easy.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7681202,-78.5073409,764m/data=!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: Underbuilt Interchanges
Post by: pianocello on April 25, 2021, 09:59:11 PM
Too many to count, and for good reason. DOTs and other road-building agencies can't find money quickly enough to keep up with increases in travel demand.
Title: Re: Underbuilt Interchanges
Post by: Crown Victoria on April 25, 2021, 10:10:18 PM
A thread about underbuilt interchanges? Let's get this one out of the way right from the get-go:

Breezewood.



Title: Re: Underbuilt Interchanges
Post by: jeffandnicole on April 25, 2021, 10:15:45 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 25, 2021, 03:35:04 PM
They should get rid of this loop and replace it with a flyover. The AADT on the loop is over 10,000 and it gets bloody congested. And yet, it opened in 2007.

You know what, make this whole interchange a 4-level stack. Easy.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7681202,-78.5073409,764m/data=!3m1!1e3

How do you create a 4 level stack when a leg of the interchange is missing?
Title: Re: Underbuilt Interchanges
Post by: tolbs17 on April 25, 2021, 11:51:50 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 25, 2021, 10:15:45 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 25, 2021, 03:35:04 PM
They should get rid of this loop and replace it with a flyover. The AADT on the loop is over 10,000 and it gets bloody congested. And yet, it opened in 2007.

You know what, make this whole interchange a 4-level stack. Easy.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7681202,-78.5073409,764m/data=!3m1!1e3

How do you create a 4 level stack when a leg of the interchange is missing?
Just demolish the whole interchange and start over
Title: Re: Underbuilt Interchanges
Post by: JoePCool14 on April 26, 2021, 09:43:03 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 25, 2021, 11:51:50 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on April 25, 2021, 10:15:45 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on April 25, 2021, 03:35:04 PM
They should get rid of this loop and replace it with a flyover. The AADT on the loop is over 10,000 and it gets bloody congested. And yet, it opened in 2007.

You know what, make this whole interchange a 4-level stack. Easy.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7681202,-78.5073409,764m/data=!3m1!1e3

How do you create a 4 level stack when a leg of the interchange is missing?
Just demolish the whole interchange and start over

There's no need for a 4-level stack when only three legs exist for the interchange. Only a 3-level stack would be necessary.
Title: Re: Underbuilt Interchanges
Post by: sprjus4 on April 26, 2021, 09:53:30 AM
Well, in fairness, they are going to be constructing the southern portion of NC-540 within the next decade, so it will extend eventually.

The ultimate build could be a four-level stack - though the movement from NC-540 North to I-87 South could suffice as a loop as planned - but yes, not now.

Honestly, the only improvement that needs to happen IMO is that flyover from I-540 East to I-87 North. The rest of the interchange can remain as is or as planned.
Title: Re: Underbuilt Interchanges
Post by: Ned Weasel on April 26, 2021, 10:18:57 AM
I-70 and US 63 in Columbia, MO is rather infamous for using a diamond and traffic signals to make a freeway-to-freeway connection.  https://goo.gl/maps/jArJrT2ciPh3Jwyw9  .  Good luck coming up with a design for a free-flowing interchange that doesn't take a ton of property, though.
Title: Re: Underbuilt Interchanges
Post by: OCGuy81 on April 26, 2021, 10:21:18 AM
Could you argue that some of the Houston area interchanges are underbuilt?  I'm thinking of situations where two freeways are accessed via frontage roads and not direct connectors.

Does TX-249 have some like this?  Newer portions of the Grand Parkway?
Title: Re: Underbuilt Interchanges
Post by: tolbs17 on April 27, 2021, 11:52:24 AM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 26, 2021, 10:21:18 AM
Could you argue that some of the Houston area interchanges are underbuilt?  I'm thinking of situations where two freeways are accessed via frontage roads and not direct connectors.

Does TX-249 have some like this?  Newer portions of the Grand Parkway?
Cause they don't take up as much space?
Title: Re: Underbuilt Interchanges
Post by: Evan_Th on April 27, 2021, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: stridentweasel on April 26, 2021, 10:18:57 AM
I-70 and US 63 in Columbia, MO is rather infamous for using a diamond and traffic signals to make a freeway-to-freeway connection.  https://goo.gl/maps/jArJrT2ciPh3Jwyw9  .  Good luck coming up with a design for a free-flowing interchange that doesn't take a ton of property, though.

Just like I-95 and US 70 (I-42) in Selma, NC:  https://goo.gl/maps/v3rk7ev3SAs5KsTL6 .

Title: Re: Underbuilt Interchanges
Post by: MCRoads on April 27, 2021, 12:32:05 PM
Quote from: Evan_Th on April 27, 2021, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: stridentweasel on April 26, 2021, 10:18:57 AM
I-70 and US 63 in Columbia, MO is rather infamous for using a diamond and traffic signals to make a freeway-to-freeway connection.  https://goo.gl/maps/jArJrT2ciPh3Jwyw9  .  Good luck coming up with a design for a free-flowing interchange that doesn't take a ton of property, though.

Just like I-95 and US 70 (I-42) in Selma, NC:  https://goo.gl/maps/v3rk7ev3SAs5KsTL6 .

Don't forget I-70/E470 in Denver! Though, that one actually has a free-flowing movement from NM E470 to WB I-70.
Title: Re: Underbuilt Interchanges
Post by: kphoger on April 27, 2021, 01:11:20 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on April 26, 2021, 10:21:18 AM
Could you argue that some of the Houston area interchanges are underbuilt?  I'm thinking of situations where two freeways are accessed via frontage roads and not direct connectors.

Yeah, the interchange between the Hardy Toll Road and Sam Houston Tollway leaves a lot to be desired.