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Title: Northern/Southern Points on Exit Signs
Post by: Angelo71 on May 04, 2021, 03:40:50 PM
Two things:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9805204,-76.1691428,3a,43.9y,56.17h,83.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0QdL-C3m0at_mbCQahdREQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9805204,-76.1691428,3a,43.9y,56.17h,83.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0QdL-C3m0at_mbCQahdREQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
That street view was of US-50 splitting from US-301, what is that sign called, and places where that type of signs are.
I can't find a street view of this but it is where a route's control city is northern/southern point or destinations. I don't remember where I saw it before. Where are signs like that? And for both, are they being created more or no?
Title: Re: Northern/Southern Points on Exit Signs
Post by: 1995hoo on May 04, 2021, 05:16:15 PM
I think you need to change your username to Willis Drummond.
Title: Re: Northern/Southern Points on Exit Signs
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 04, 2021, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 04, 2021, 03:40:50 PM
Two things:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9805204,-76.1691428,3a,43.9y,56.17h,83.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0QdL-C3m0at_mbCQahdREQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9805204,-76.1691428,3a,43.9y,56.17h,83.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0QdL-C3m0at_mbCQahdREQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
That street view was of US-50 splitting from US-301, what is that sign called, and places where that type of signs are.
I can't find a street view of this but it is where a route's control city is northern/southern point or destinations. I don't remember where I saw it before. Where are signs like that? And for both, are they being created more or no?
Control city? Signs like this are pretty common.
Title: Re: Northern/Southern Points on Exit Signs
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 04, 2021, 05:40:36 PM
It's called a Silly Sign.  DOTs post these when they deliberately want people to get lost, hence the lack of a control city.
Title: Re: Northern/Southern Points on Exit Signs
Post by: Angelo71 on May 04, 2021, 06:02:53 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 04, 2021, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 04, 2021, 03:40:50 PM
Two things:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9805204,-76.1691428,3a,43.9y,56.17h,83.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0QdL-C3m0at_mbCQahdREQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9805204,-76.1691428,3a,43.9y,56.17h,83.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0QdL-C3m0at_mbCQahdREQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
That street view was of US-50 splitting from US-301, what is that sign called, and places where that type of signs are.
I can't find a street view of this but it is where a route's control city is northern/southern point or destinations. I don't remember where I saw it before. Where are signs like that? And for both, are they being created more or no?
Control city? Signs like this are pretty common.
No like the control city is Northern Destinations, for example.
Title: Re: Northern/Southern Points on Exit Signs
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 04, 2021, 06:04:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 04, 2021, 06:02:53 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 04, 2021, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 04, 2021, 03:40:50 PM
Two things:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9805204,-76.1691428,3a,43.9y,56.17h,83.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0QdL-C3m0at_mbCQahdREQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9805204,-76.1691428,3a,43.9y,56.17h,83.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0QdL-C3m0at_mbCQahdREQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
That street view was of US-50 splitting from US-301, what is that sign called, and places where that type of signs are.
I can't find a street view of this but it is where a route's control city is northern/southern point or destinations. I don't remember where I saw it before. Where are signs like that? And for both, are they being created more or no?
Control city? Signs like this are pretty common.
No like the control city is Northern Destinations, for example.
It's just a direction, not a control city.
Title: Re: Northern/Southern Points on Exit Signs
Post by: Angelo71 on May 04, 2021, 06:04:33 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 04, 2021, 06:04:19 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 04, 2021, 06:02:53 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 04, 2021, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: Angelo71 on May 04, 2021, 03:40:50 PM
Two things:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9805204,-76.1691428,3a,43.9y,56.17h,83.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0QdL-C3m0at_mbCQahdREQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9805204,-76.1691428,3a,43.9y,56.17h,83.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0QdL-C3m0at_mbCQahdREQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
That street view was of US-50 splitting from US-301, what is that sign called, and places where that type of signs are.
I can't find a street view of this but it is where a route's control city is northern/southern point or destinations. I don't remember where I saw it before. Where are signs like that? And for both, are they being created more or no?
Control city? Signs like this are pretty common.
No like the control city is Northern Destinations, for example.
It's just a direction, not a control city.
Oh.
Title: Re: Northern/Southern Points on Exit Signs
Post by: kphoger on May 05, 2021, 09:10:11 AM
Agreed.  There are no control cities on that sign.

In roadgeek circles, we might call that an LGS (Little Green Sign).

It's basically just an assembly of route shields with some green space drawn around it.  As far as I'm aware, that specific type of sign is nowhere in the MUTCD.  You can see a non-green-space version of this in MUTCD Figure 2D-6, shown below (where it says Enlarged, if necessary):
(https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009r1r2/images/fig2d_06_3.gif)

An M2-2 sign (combination junction sign), shown below, is similar, but it's supposed to be used in advance of the junction, not at the gore point:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/MUTCD_M2-2.svg/300px-MUTCD_M2-2.svg.png)

Even if the route shields were replaced with actual control cities, as in an MUTCD D1-2 sign (destination sign), shown below, it would still be placed in advance of the junction, not at the gore point:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/MUTCD_D1-2.svg/297px-MUTCD_D1-2.svg.png)
Title: Re: Northern/Southern Points on Exit Signs
Post by: SkyPesos on May 05, 2021, 09:18:22 AM
I've seen "LGS"  used as reassurances markers in NC before.
Title: Re: Northern/Southern Points on Exit Signs
Post by: JoePCool14 on May 05, 2021, 09:23:36 AM
Michigan uses that style of sign very frequently across the state. Typically though, they're used in conjunction with other signs that list a control city.

Here's one example in Ann Arbor:
https://goo.gl/maps/LZP6QimcXoakkZqTA
Title: Re: Northern/Southern Points on Exit Signs
Post by: hobsini2 on May 08, 2021, 10:02:10 PM
Hell, we got one here in Chicagoland. https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8062613,-88.0532001,3a,72.6y,20.88h,95.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3NsBj-pVRyLFNIHKt8fDpQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en
Title: Re: Northern/Southern Points on Exit Signs
Post by: SkyPesos on May 08, 2021, 10:12:01 PM
These signs are pretty common in the Columbus area of Ohio. Here's two separate signs on the I-270 NB  to OH 161 ramp (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0794545,-82.9058362,3a,20.9y,30.96h,88.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSi-OAIwj0BiA2moAVF0Ayg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). Unrelated to this topic, but these signs have round corners too, which is somewhat rare in Ohio. A similar setup at I-270 EB to I-71 (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.108427,-82.9828177,3a,19.9y,111.42h,88.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sItevDwvr4cR2N1RKqDppyg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).

In St Louis, MO, Here's one on the ramp from I-270 SB to I-64 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6406918,-90.4505312,3a,24.1y,188.09h,89.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srseYj4hrBMn53zhe0aiq6w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). Cutout shields are used on the I-270 to I-70 interchange (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.7457199,-90.4394433,3a,48.6y,61.39h,84.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqkuiSf_eCODv0DKIP974sw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), which I prefer over the green background.
Title: Re: Northern/Southern Points on Exit Signs
Post by: Flint1979 on May 09, 2021, 09:56:35 AM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 05, 2021, 09:23:36 AM
Michigan uses that style of sign very frequently across the state. Typically though, they're used in conjunction with other signs that list a control city.

Here's one example in Ann Arbor:
https://goo.gl/maps/LZP6QimcXoakkZqTA
Yeah but with that example there is a sign with a control city on it just before the sign you posted.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2357076,-83.7390076,3a,15y,48.47h,91.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shFEt-XNkKYv0vaxFO4oR_Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

There isn't a control city for the WB direction though, it should be Jackson at that exit. Chicago if it's a primary exit.