For routes that have multiple branches/split off multiple ways, but are NOT special routes. All the branches/extra bits have to be the same route, like...
SH 165 in Texas:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Highway_165 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Highway_165)
And what the Pinellas Bayway would be if Google's marking of the whole of Anderson Blvd as SR 679 was accurate. Which it isn't.
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.6280834,-82.7186862,15z (https://www.google.com/maps/@27.6280834,-82.7186862,15z)
If there's a thread for this, oh well then. I have no idea what to call these other than non-linear routes, and searching "non-linear" doesn't yield much.
Edit: Ideally, routes should be contiguous. If a broken-up route though, were to have a segment with multiple forks/paths, then it could count. But I'm not looking for plain old broken up, non-contiguous routes, or spurs from routes that don't have an equal status to the main route. There's tons of those out there.
How are I-95 (NJ, eastern/western spur), I-270 (MD), I-480 (OH), and I-670 (OH) signed? Their internal designations distinguish them, but they wouldn't be known to the general public.
Quote from: 1 on May 05, 2021, 08:42:33 AM
How are I-95 (NJ, eastern/western spur), I-270 (MD), I-480 (OH), and I-670 (OH) signed? Their internal designations distinguish them, but they wouldn't be known to the general public.
I'm not sure about I-95
I-270 Spur is signed as I-270 Spur on BGS. The op excludes bannered or suffixed routes, so this wouldn't count
I-480 is signed as TO I-271 N and TO I-480 W on BGS, but the blue mile markers sign that stretch as I-480N.
I-670 may look like a split route at its interchange with I-71, but half of those are ramps, and the mainline splits per direction, so it's like having a very wide median, which I don't count.
Quote from: index on May 05, 2021, 08:38:27 AM
For routes that have multiple branches/split off multiple ways, but are NOT special routes. All the branches/extra bits have to be the same route, like...
SH 165 in Texas:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Highway_165
And what the Pinellas Bayway would be if Google's marking of the whole of Anderson Blvd as SR 679 was accurate. Which it isn't.
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.6280834,-82.7186862,15z
If there's a thread for this, oh well then. I have no idea what to call these other than non-linear routes, and searching "non-linear" doesn't yield much.
What is meant by 'special routes'? Virginia has routes that do what you describe but they may be 'special'
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 05, 2021, 08:59:17 AM
What is meant by 'special routes'? Virginia has routes that do what you describe but they may be 'special'
Bannered routes, such as "1 Alternate".
M-108 in Mackinaw City (now decommissioned) used to have 3 legs, before the Mackinac Bridge was built.
Does Interstate 710 count?
Quote from: stridentweasel on May 05, 2021, 09:12:34 AM
Does Interstate 710 count?
Why would that count? Many other routes have two segments.
Quote from: stridentweasel on May 05, 2021, 09:12:34 AM
Does Interstate 710 count?
I guess it
could count, but I'm looking for contiguous routes. I should update the original post to clarify that.
Utah has a bunch of them that consist of multiple government streets or even parking lots.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 05, 2021, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: stridentweasel on May 05, 2021, 09:12:34 AM
Does Interstate 710 count?
Why would that count? Many other routes have two segments.
I was referring to the spurs.
Does the H. E. Bailey Turnpike count?
Quote from: kphoger on May 05, 2021, 10:37:05 AM
Does the H. E. Bailey Turnpike count?
If that counts than the NYS thruway and PA Turnpikes also count.
Would CA-39 count? I believe CalTrans has it listed as a continuous route, but I only know of it being signed in two segments.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 05, 2021, 10:54:28 AM
Would CA-39 count? I believe CalTrans has it listed as a continuous route, but I only know of it being signed in two segments.
See original post. Nope, it's just a route with two discontiguous, but linear segments. I am looking for examples, if they exist, of a route layout like TX SH 165 where the route has multiple forks/paths with equal status (no bannered/special routes) to the main routing.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 05, 2021, 10:52:20 AM
Quote from: kphoger on May 05, 2021, 10:37:05 AM
Does the H. E. Bailey Turnpike count?
If that counts than the NYS thruway and PA Turnpikes also count.
The NYS Thruway's name implies a single route but it's managed like a system so that probably wouldn't count. The H.E. Bailey wouldn't count as its spur doesn't have equal footing to the main route. Imagine the criteria like this, if I-35E and 35W were to instead be jointly designated I-35. Basically, split routes without the suffixing. Rejoining not necessary but allowed.
Maybe the situation I'm looking for is completely unique to that one highway in Texas, as it's already enough of an oddball, in which case this thread won't produce any meaningful result.No, there's more.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 05, 2021, 10:18:09 AM
Utah has a bunch of them that consist of multiple government streets or even parking lots.
Out of all the weirdness... What's the weirdest Utah state "route"?
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 05, 2021, 11:49:46 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 05, 2021, 10:18:09 AM
Utah has a bunch of them that consist of multiple government streets or even parking lots.
Out of all the weirdness... What's the weirdest Utah state "route"?
Probably Utah Route 900 and 901, which are a bunch of random dirt tracks in the desert. Some stretches aren't even roads at all.
Can't think of any PA examples. I guess I-676 counts since the ramps to I-95 and connection to the Ben Franklin Bridge are both I-676.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 05, 2021, 11:49:46 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 05, 2021, 10:18:09 AM
Utah has a bunch of them that consist of multiple government streets or even parking lots.
Out of all the weirdness... What's the weirdest Utah state "route"?
Probably the 900 range ungraded nuke roads. Corco recently did those, if he's out there I'm sure he can chime in with greater detail.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 05, 2021, 10:54:28 AM
Would CA-39 count? I believe CalTrans has it listed as a continuous route, but I only know of it being signed in two segments.
There are a lot of those in California. Some of the others that come to mind as not being completed:
- CA 190
- CA 178
- CA 168
- CA 169
Some others have multiple segment like:
- Technically CA 180 and CA 120 even though the Park Service signs them as through routes.
- CA 146
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 05, 2021, 08:59:17 AM
Quote from: index on May 05, 2021, 08:38:27 AM
For routes that have multiple branches/split off multiple ways, but are NOT special routes. All the branches/extra bits have to be the same route, like...
SH 165 in Texas:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Highway_165 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Highway_165)
And what the Pinellas Bayway would be if Google's marking of the whole of Anderson Blvd as SR 679 was accurate. Which it isn't.
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.6280834,-82.7186862,15z (https://www.google.com/maps/@27.6280834,-82.7186862,15z)
If there's a thread for this, oh well then. I have no idea what to call these other than non-linear routes, and searching "non-linear" doesn't yield much.
What is meant by 'special routes'? Virginia has routes that do what you describe but they may be 'special'
Doing some digging for myself, I found another one and probably an example of what you were talking about: VA SR 217. I take it you knew about this before since you're the one with the vahighways page and a lot of you all around this sort of info are part of the US Roads WikiProject.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_highways_serving_Virginia_state_institutions
Looking on GSV, you can see the lack of linearity, since every road on the facility shares the same designation.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8273525,-81.5081497,3a,75y,12.89h,88.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7UvqrZHrpfBWj-EYXDBKuQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
While still on 217, it branches out into two more segments with equal status. No special routing.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8319499,-81.5112806,3a,39.5y,346.96h,88.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLl7P1yv3HKW6yV62GEDRJg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 05, 2021, 10:18:09 AM
Utah has a bunch of them that consist of multiple government streets or even parking lots.
Here's the list on that to save anyone any questions about what they are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_highways_serving_Utah_state_parks_and_institutions#320
I kind of feel inclined to make a google My Maps outlining all of the non-linear routes. Time will tell if I actually do that.
My favorite :): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_State_Route_20
I-465 used to fit this category, but then one segment got renumbered to 865.
Quote from: kenarmy on May 05, 2021, 12:17:49 PM
My favorite :) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_State_Route_20 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_State_Route_20)
That's still linear, just in a weird shape. In this context, I don't mean linear as in a straight line, but linear as in, one single routing to follow.
Old State Highway 5 in Washington, before the 1964 renumbering, had multiple branches. I don't know how it was signed.
CT 145 was shaped like a broken squash racket until 1963: a loop with a northward spur, and a 3-way intersection with itself.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 05, 2021, 12:03:09 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 05, 2021, 11:49:46 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 05, 2021, 10:18:09 AM
Utah has a bunch of them that consist of multiple government streets or even parking lots.
Out of all the weirdness... What's the weirdest Utah state "route"?
Probably the 900 range ungraded nuke roads. Corco recently did those, if he's out there I'm sure he can chime in with greater detail.
Greater detail (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=27570.0)
Quote from: kphoger on May 05, 2021, 12:22:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 05, 2021, 12:03:09 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 05, 2021, 11:49:46 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 05, 2021, 10:18:09 AM
Utah has a bunch of them that consist of multiple government streets or even parking lots.
Out of all the weirdness... What's the weirdest Utah state "route"?
Probably the 900 range ungraded nuke roads. Corco recently did those, if he's out there I'm sure he can chime in with greater detail.
Greater detail (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=27570.0)
As that thread notes, SR 900 and 901 are defined in state law but are not in any of UDOT's GIS reference materials. All other defined routes are, though, including the institutional and state park routes in the 281-320 number block - and of those, only the state park access roads are really what you'd call "normal".
Most of the non-linear state routes in Utah that aren't 900 and 901 fall into that institutional route category. In general, the extra spurs aren't signed... but sometimes they are. If you want a full list of Utah's nonlinear state routes, here you go:
Regular routes:
137 - basically a loop off US 89 with an extra spur to Mayfield. This one is definitely signed
190 - breaks into two spurs at the east end, one to Brighton (which ends at itself in a loop!) and one to Guardsman Pass
210 - in addition to the main Little Cottonwood Canyon road, it includes Bypass Road between Snowbird and Alta which gets most use when the main canyon road closes for avalanche control in winter
228 - essentially follows old US 91 through Leeds, but includes an extra spur on Cemetery Rd. to the I-15 southbound ramp
Institutional routes:
282 - three connected segments on the University of Utah campus in SLC. Signage is not amazing but all 3 are signed in some capacity
284 - the road circling Weber State University in Ogden plus its two connections to Harrison Blvd
286 - the road circling Ogden-Weber Technical College in Ogden plus its two connections to Washington Blvd
289 - a set of roads circling Southern Utah University in Cedar City plus a connection to Main Street. This is technically drivable as a continuous route, but it ends at itself so I guess it counts?
291 - the road circling the Utah School for the Deaf and Blind in Ogden plus its connection to Harrison Blvd. Same deal as 289 in that it's a continuous route but ends at itself
292 - the road around Salt Lake Community College in Taylorsville, its connection to 2200 West, and a parking aisle on the east side plus its connection to Redwood Rd
293 - every single roadway and parking aisle, even nonpublic ones, on Utah State Capitol grounds
294 - the road circling the Utah State Developmental Center in American Fork plus its connection to 700 North. Same deal as 289 and 291
298 - the parking aisles and drivers test course at the Ogden drivers license division, plus several nonpublic roadways and aisles in the National Guard's Browning Armory next door
299 - the drivers test course at the West Valley City drivers license division, plus one of the parking aisles that goes there from 4500 South
317 - every single roadway and parking aisle, even nonpublic ones, at the Calvin Rampton Complex in West Valley which houses UDOT headquarters
320 - every single roadway within the Utah Department of Public Safety's Emergency Vehicle Operations Range at the Camp Williams National Guard base in Lehi. Entirely closed to the public
Conclusion: Utah is weird.
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 05, 2021, 08:59:17 AM
Quote from: index on May 05, 2021, 08:38:27 AM
For routes that have multiple branches/split off multiple ways, but are NOT special routes. All the branches/extra bits have to be the same route, like...
SH 165 in Texas:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Highway_165
And what the Pinellas Bayway would be if Google's marking of the whole of Anderson Blvd as SR 679 was accurate. Which it isn't.
https://www.google.com/maps/@27.6280834,-82.7186862,15z
If there's a thread for this, oh well then. I have no idea what to call these other than non-linear routes, and searching "non-linear" doesn't yield much.
What is meant by 'special routes'? Virginia has routes that do what you describe but they may be 'special'
Virginia is exactly what I was thinking about. For example, you use a secondary (6xx-series) route to get from US 23 to Natural Tunnel State Park, but once you get into the park all the routes are signed with a primary (3xx-series, I believe) route marker.
Mississippi 366 in Golden and Belmont, if the signs and map are to be believed (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.4884055,-88.1983076,15z). Personally, I think it's a signing error, but the MDOT Route Log is also a little vague.
Quote from: MDOT Route Location Descriptions"Begins east of Baldwyn on MS 370, Prentiss County, thence in an easterly direction to MS 371 at Marrietta, thence from MS 25 at or near Belmont to the Alabama-Mississippi State Line [note: Red Bay], east of Golden, Tishomingo County."
US 281. At least the way it is currently signed at its Southern end. One of the branches is actually Spur US 281.
I've always wondered why non-linear routes, as defined by OP, are rare for road route designations but are relatively common for train route designations (e.g. the A line of the New York subway, the Green line of the Chicago L, etc)
WA 100 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_State_Route_100) is a loop with a small spur that connects it to US 101. There is also another spur at the southern end of the loop, but that part is bannered so it doesn't count.