Hope people are safe trying to look for gas.
I noticed the Gasbuddy app hasn't been working well today!
Crazy how massive an effect a ransomware attack can have, huh? :ded:
I used to always roll my eyes at the IT-mandated training videos I have to watch every so often, but I sure don't anymore as things like this continue to happen and cybersecurity becomes more and more important. (As another example, the Baltimore City government got hit with ransomware 2 years ago - I heard from colleagues living in the city that paying water bills was a huge PITA until the government's servers were back online.)
Hearing that in some cases, it's like the Nixon and Carter years all over again in terms of gas shortages and long lines at places that do have gas, especially in the southeast.
Kentucky isn't one of the states specifically affected by the pipeline problem, but there could be some residual issues in the southern part of the state. While much of the state's gas comes from the Marathon refinery at Ashland, a good chunk of the southern and southeastern part of the state has historically been served from the Knoxville terminal. For years I had a neighbor who frequently drove to Knoxville to pick up a load of gas.
New standardized test analogy question:
Gas :: ransomware
TP :: ___________
Answer: Covid
I also recall Atlanta being hit by a ransomware attack. They are all pretty serious regardless of the parties involved.
Ms1995hoo went to get her car inspected this morning and when she got home she said the gas stations were insanely busy with panic-buying.
Something happened to the supply pipeline between Phoenix and Tucson back in 2002. It had all the standard price hike and panic buying that usually comes along with this stuff. It's quaint to look back at people being upset about $2 dollar a gallon gas.
Lots of panic buying happening here in the Richmond area. Quite a few stations are out of gas. People are being idiots and hoarding gas in containers.
Just got gas because I was on gas light, not because I wanted to hoard. No one at the gas stations out here and prices haven't gone up.
Chris
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on May 11, 2021, 01:39:31 PM
Lots of panic buying happening here in the Richmond area. Quite a few stations are out of gas. People are being idiots and hoarding gas in containers.
I am mildly optimistic that they'll run out of 93 octane (which three of our cars specify) last.
Two of the cars' tanks are almost full, so we will drive those if needed and leave the one that's below half a tank parked for the next several days. I don't drive much during the week anyway.
Quote from: tolbs17 on May 11, 2021, 11:45:55 AM
Hope people are safe trying to look for gas.
We have no such problem here in the Midwest. I believe this is a Mid-Atlantic problem just due to that particular pipeline.
No gas? Better get over to Taco Bell.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 11, 2021, 02:18:15 PM
No gas? Better get over to Taco Bell.
Heh. On my iPad, I have the Google Maps app set not to save my current location. For some reason, it always defaults to a location just outside Frenchtown, New Jersey (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5198531,-74.9977438,17z).
Notice the name of the gas station there. Every time I load that app, that business's name makes me wonder if it has clean restrooms. Looking at it on Street View, I suspect the answer is "no."
No lines up here in central NY.
Quote from: jayhawkco on May 11, 2021, 01:50:28 PM
Just got gas because I was on gas light, not because I wanted to hoard. No one at the gas stations out here and prices haven't gone up.
Chris
Colorado isn't a state affected by the pipeline hack, so I'm not surprised.
The fun part in the end is when Colonial is back up and running, they have a few weeks where prices are still artificially high that they get to benefit from (unlike their ascent, the descent is never as quick). Incompetence always pays, even if only for a short period.
I saw a long line of cars at Sheetz.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 11, 2021, 02:18:15 PM
No gas? Better get over to Taco Bell.
Only if you know how to use the Three Seashells.
Quote from: tolbs17 on May 11, 2021, 11:45:55 AM
Hope people are safe trying to look for gas.
Am I supposed to know what you're talking about?
Quote from: kphoger on May 11, 2021, 04:05:38 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on May 11, 2021, 11:45:55 AM
Hope people are safe trying to look for gas.
Am I supposed to know what you're talking about?
I think might have watched a Mad Max movie one too many times. :rolleyes:
...Maybe we should have multiple viable modes of transport in our cities after all.
Quote from: Bruce on May 11, 2021, 07:12:39 PM
...Maybe we should have multiple viable modes of transport in our cities after all.
Gasp! You don't say...
Before everyone goes all Freewayjim just know that I paid $4.08 for 87 octane as a normal thing yesterday in Fresno.
Quote from: Bruce on May 11, 2021, 07:12:39 PM
...Maybe we should have multiple viable modes of transport in our cities after all.
You do realize this affects trains that run on diesel fuel, buses that run on diesel fuel, powerplants that may use diesel fuel in some way, shape, or form, etc?
Quote from: Brandon on May 11, 2021, 08:02:02 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 11, 2021, 07:12:39 PM
...Maybe we should have multiple viable modes of transport in our cities after all.
You do realize this affects trains that run on diesel fuel, buses that run on diesel fuel, powerplants that may use diesel fuel in some way, shape, or form, etc?
Interesting to note a lot of those buses in Seattle (which I believe the post was based off of) run off overhead electric lines.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 11, 2021, 08:05:58 PM
Quote from: Brandon on May 11, 2021, 08:02:02 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 11, 2021, 07:12:39 PM
...Maybe we should have multiple viable modes of transport in our cities after all.
You do realize this affects trains that run on diesel fuel, buses that run on diesel fuel, powerplants that may use diesel fuel in some way, shape, or form, etc?
Interesting to note a lot of those buses in Seattle (which I believe the post was based off of) run off overhead electric lines.
The Wikipedia article about trolley buses list 5 US cities that operate them today, and Seattle has the second largest trolley bus system of those 5 cities after San Francisco.
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 11, 2021, 08:13:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 11, 2021, 08:05:58 PM
Quote from: Brandon on May 11, 2021, 08:02:02 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 11, 2021, 07:12:39 PM
...Maybe we should have multiple viable modes of transport in our cities after all.
You do realize this affects trains that run on diesel fuel, buses that run on diesel fuel, powerplants that may use diesel fuel in some way, shape, or form, etc?
Interesting to note a lot of those buses in Seattle (which I believe the post was based off of) run off overhead electric lines.
The Wikipedia article about trolley buses list 5 US cities that operate them today, and Seattle has the second largest trolley bus system of those 5 cities after San Francisco.
Interesting, I would have never guessed visiting both as frequently as I do that SF was ahead of Seattle in that department.
Per WYMT-TV and reports from friends, shortages and lines are being reported at some stations in southern Kentucky. Unsurprisingly, these are places that get their supply from Knoxville instead of Ashland.
No lines but gas is now $4.49 a gallon in my area! :banghead:
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 11, 2021, 08:05:58 PM
Quote from: Brandon on May 11, 2021, 08:02:02 PM
Quote from: Bruce on May 11, 2021, 07:12:39 PM
...Maybe we should have multiple viable modes of transport in our cities after all.
You do realize this affects trains that run on diesel fuel, buses that run on diesel fuel, powerplants that may use diesel fuel in some way, shape, or form, etc?
Interesting to note a lot of those buses in Seattle (which I believe the post was based off of) run off overhead electric lines.
Yep, we also have a large hybrid fleet and are working on getting more battery electric buses.
But the point I was making is that overreliance on a single mode is going to lead to situations like this...we didn't learn from the 1970s oil crisis at all.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 11, 2021, 07:47:27 PM
Before everyone goes all Freewayjim just know that I paid $4.08 for 87 octane as a normal thing yesterday in Fresno.
good lord... gassed up for 2.77 for 85 octane here in colorado oh... a few days agp
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on May 11, 2021, 09:59:24 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 11, 2021, 07:47:27 PM
Before everyone goes all Freewayjim just know that I paid $4.08 for 87 octane as a normal thing yesterday in Fresno.
good lord... gassed up for 2.77 for 85 octane here in colorado oh... a few days agp
Don't forget guys, we do have a dedicated thread for prices themselves. ;)
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=62.0
We should just keep this thread to issues about the mild gas shortage.
My parents were down in Indianapolis overnight yesterday. They filled up on a station on I-65 and they attendant asked them if they were heading south, and if they were... not to do so. Thankfully, we live in Chicagoland so that's not in that direction.
It will be interesting (not so much in a good way) to see what kind of ripple effect this has on everything. Like goods being shipped and other panic-buying, or the price of gasoline nationwide.
Quote from: Bruce on May 11, 2021, 09:15:54 PM
But the point I was making is that overreliance on a single mode is going to lead to situations like this...we didn't learn from the 1970s oil crisis at all.
Well, that was entirely manufactured by OPEC, as well as the price hikes beginning in the late-1990's, but you're right about overreliance on a single mode of transportation.
As for me I had to check the family pickup truck last night to see if that needed gas (thankfully it didn't). But our lawn mower has some bad gas in it right now, that I can't siphon out because I have nothing I can store it in. I still have some good gas I can put in the tank once I get the bad gas out.
This happened in Richmond yesterday. Yes, that is a water tank. No, they're not putting water in it.
https://twitter.com/RVAdirt/status/1392327021380911108
Apart from the fact that the gasoline could dissolve the walls of the tank (depending on what it's made from), I sure hope they plan on using it in the next three months.
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on May 12, 2021, 08:21:05 AM
This happened in Richmond yesterday. Yes, that is a water tank. No, they're not putting water in it.
(Tweet snipped)
Apart from the fact that the gasoline could dissolve the walls of the tank (depending on what it's made from), I sure hope they plan on using it in the next three months.
Idiots. Literally the same logic as with the TP shortage last year. Except gasoline is actually an essential item! :banghead:
My cousin and her husband are driving this week from Bonita Springs, Florida, back home to near Red Bank, New Jersey. I wonder how that'll go with finding gas.
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 12, 2021, 08:45:47 AM
My cousin and her husband are driving this week from Bonita Springs, Florida, back home to near Red Bank, New Jersey. I wonder how that'll go with finding gas.
It appears that it's only a minority of stations that don't have gas... Something like 7.5%. And a few others are reported to only have premium. But overall, this is another media-hyped event causing people to panic. Should be back to normal shortly.
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on May 12, 2021, 08:21:05 AM
This happened in Richmond yesterday. Yes, that is a water tank. No, they're not putting water in it.
https://twitter.com/RVAdirt/status/1392327021380911108
Apart from the fact that the gasoline could dissolve the walls of the tank (depending on what it's made from), I sure hope they plan on using it in the next three months.
How are they going to properly store that? I bet their homeowner's policy will not cover a mishap with that set up.
Glad to see toilet paper 2.0 is gasoline this year. People are morons
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Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 12, 2021, 08:57:29 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 12, 2021, 08:45:47 AM
My cousin and her husband are driving this week from Bonita Springs, Florida, back home to near Red Bank, New Jersey. I wonder how that'll go with finding gas.
It appears that it's only a minority of stations that don't have gas... Something like 7.5%. And a few others are reported to only have premium. But overall, this is another media-hyped event causing people to panic. Should be back to normal shortly.
Only having premium is not a problem at all, other than costing some people a bit more. A car that specifies low-grade will run just fine on either mid-grade or premium, whereas the same is not necessarily true for vehicles specifying premium (although in most cases, you can use low-grade if necessary).
I've screwed up a few times and put premium in my RX-7 (it specifies 87) just out of habit because our other three cars all specify premium and I just automatically hit the "93" button. Not a big deal at all. I can waste more than the price difference on lost golf balls or similar.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 11, 2021, 07:47:27 PM
Before everyone goes all Freewayjim just know that I paid $4.08 for 87 octane as a normal thing yesterday in Fresno.
Yeah, I was just out in California about a week ago, paid over $4 per gallon on two of my fillups (one in Kettleman City, about as close as I got to Fresno), and about $3.95/gallon on the other one. Welcome to California, huh?
I'll hit the Colonial problems as I head back home in the next few days (from North Dakota, where gas prices are still under $3/gallon). If by then it's just elevated prices, I'm over that already.
Quote from: kphoger on May 11, 2021, 04:05:38 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on May 11, 2021, 11:45:55 AM
Hope people are safe trying to look for gas.
Am I supposed to know what you're talking about?
Ah. It seems from some of the comments that there's some sort of gas shortage somewhere.
As far as I can tell, nobody (including the OP) has posted a link to a news article. Is there a "Threads That Lack Context" thread?
Quote from: kphoger on May 12, 2021, 10:21:39 AM
Quote from: kphoger on May 11, 2021, 04:05:38 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on May 11, 2021, 11:45:55 AM
Hope people are safe trying to look for gas.
Am I supposed to know what you're talking about?
Ah. It seems from some of the comments that there's some sort of gas shortage somewhere.
As far as I can tell, nobody (including the OP) has posted a link to a news article. Is there a "Threads That Lack Context" thread?
To be fair, it is quite prevalent on a lot of different news sources already. It's not a niche story.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/12/business/gas-shortage-colonial-pipeline/index.html
Chris
I'm optimistic for a return to normal by the end of the week, but it certainly won't be easy, especially if the panic buying continues and things get worse by then.
https://twitter.com/StanleyRoberts/status/1392294423401091072
Quote from: jayhawkco on May 12, 2021, 10:23:15 AM
Quote from: kphoger on May 12, 2021, 10:21:39 AM
Quote from: kphoger on May 11, 2021, 04:05:38 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on May 11, 2021, 11:45:55 AM
Hope people are safe trying to look for gas.
Am I supposed to know what you're talking about?
Ah. It seems from some of the comments that there's some sort of gas shortage somewhere.
As far as I can tell, nobody (including the OP) has posted a link to a news article. Is there a "Threads That Lack Context" thread?
To be fair, it is quite prevalent on a lot of different news sources already. It's not a niche story.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/12/business/gas-shortage-colonial-pipeline/index.html
To be fair, I haven't paid attention to the news lately.
But I don't think I've ever seen a topic started about something in the news that didn't actually link to a news story.
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on May 12, 2021, 08:21:05 AM
This happened in Richmond yesterday. Yes, that is a water tank. No, they're not putting water in it.
https://twitter.com/RVAdirt/status/1392327021380911108
Apart from the fact that the gasoline could dissolve the walls of the tank (depending on what it's made from), I sure hope they plan on using it in the next three months.
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I wonder how many of the people lining up for gas are idling their vehicles while waiting on line (thus wasting gas) instead of turning them off. Not a crazy thought, either: I remember in the days after Hurricane Fran in 1996, when I was living in Durham, North Carolina, the news had some woman complaining that she ran out of gas while waiting on line.
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on May 12, 2021, 08:21:05 AM
This happened in Richmond yesterday. Yes, that is a water tank. No, they're not putting water in it.
https://twitter.com/RVAdirt/status/1392327021380911108
Apart from the fact that the gasoline could dissolve the walls of the tank (depending on what it's made from), I sure hope they plan on using it in the next three months.
If you can afford to buy that much gas at one time, you can afford to buy a Tesla or vehicle that doesn't run on gas.
Quote from: hbelkins on May 12, 2021, 12:50:18 PM
If you can afford to buy that much gas at one time, you can afford to buy a Tesla or vehicle that doesn't run on gas.
It probably takes longer to get a new car than to get a tankful of gas.
Quote from: hbelkins on May 12, 2021, 12:50:18 PM
If you can afford to buy that much gas at one time, you can afford to buy a Tesla or vehicle that doesn't run on gas.
Quote from: kphoger on May 12, 2021, 12:53:31 PM
It probably takes longer to get a new car than to get a tankful of gas.
Yup. And that tank of ethanol gas will last only a few weeks before it starts to gunk up your engines. I switched over to non-ethanol gas for mowers and old cars as soon as the octane level for non-ethanol mid-grade dropped down to 89 (which used to be the standard for low-grade).
I use non-ethanol gas in my lawn mower as well.
Quote from: hbelkins on May 12, 2021, 12:50:18 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on May 12, 2021, 08:21:05 AM
This happened in Richmond yesterday. Yes, that is a water tank. No, they're not putting water in it.
https://twitter.com/RVAdirt/status/1392327021380911108
Apart from the fact that the gasoline could dissolve the walls of the tank (depending on what it's made from), I sure hope they plan on using it in the next three months.
If you can afford to buy that much gas at one time, you can afford to buy a Tesla or vehicle that doesn't run on gas.
This could be a purchase for a small business owner/farmer. It may be for a small car dealer. You can't assume that this is for a single family.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 12, 2021, 01:17:00 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 12, 2021, 12:50:18 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on May 12, 2021, 08:21:05 AM
This happened in Richmond yesterday. Yes, that is a water tank. No, they're not putting water in it.
https://twitter.com/RVAdirt/status/1392327021380911108
Apart from the fact that the gasoline could dissolve the walls of the tank (depending on what it's made from), I sure hope they plan on using it in the next three months.
If you can afford to buy that much gas at one time, you can afford to buy a Tesla or vehicle that doesn't run on gas.
This could be a purchase for a small business owner/farmer. It may be for a small car dealer. You can't assume that this is for a single family.
No.
They'll have it delivered.
Does Virginia have laws regulating containers for gasoline?
Quote from: GaryV on May 12, 2021, 01:44:21 PM
Does Virginia have laws regulating containers for gasoline?
I'm not sure.
Apparently there was a photo of someone in Fayetteville, NC doing the same thing. You can just buy these containers, so it doesn't seem like they're doing this for any reason other than hoarding.
https://twitter.com/USCPSC/status/1392482092823502849
https://youtu.be/ARNR4koSdUQ
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on May 12, 2021, 08:21:05 AM
This happened in Richmond yesterday. Yes, that is a water tank. No, they're not putting water in it.
https://twitter.com/RVAdirt/status/1392327021380911108
Apart from the fact that the gasoline could dissolve the walls of the tank (depending on what it's made from), I sure hope they plan on using it in the next three months.
I sincerely hope someone stopped them before they got too far (but it doesn’t look like it). According to DOT regulations, this is highly illegal. I’d hate to see the fireball that develops if someone, heaven forbid, were to light a match at the top of the container.
Colonial restarted their pipeline an hour ago, but it's expected to take several days before things are back to normal.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/colonial-announces-pipeline-restart-says-normal-service-will-take-seve-rcna917 (https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/colonial-announces-pipeline-restart-says-normal-service-will-take-seve-rcna917)
Quote from: GaryV on May 12, 2021, 01:44:21 PM
Does Virginia have laws regulating containers for gasoline?
I think that's actually a federal law.
I've seen pictures of people putting gas in plastic grocery bags, large garbage bags, garbage cans, Sterilite-type storage boxes, and just about any other type of unorthodox container you can imagine.
Quote from: hbelkins on May 12, 2021, 07:21:08 PM
Quote from: GaryV on May 12, 2021, 01:44:21 PM
Does Virginia have laws regulating containers for gasoline?
I think that's actually a federal law.
I've seen pictures of people putting gas in plastic grocery bags, large garbage bags, garbage cans, Sterilite-type storage boxes, and just about any other type of unorthodox container you can imagine.
The original video of someone filling a grocery bag with gas is old, but sadly people are stupid and lots of them are actually doing this now.
So that's between Friday and Sunday I'm sure.
So have you all fought off the Toecutter Gang yet?
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 12, 2021, 02:15:05 PM
https://twitter.com/USCPSC/status/1392482092823502849
I can't believe anyone has to be told to do that. It's like telling them not to drink dishwashing detergent.
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 12, 2021, 10:32:12 AM
https://twitter.com/StanleyRoberts/status/1392294423401091072
Hey at least she double bagged it :-D
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 12, 2021, 01:17:00 PM
This could be a purchase for a small business owner/farmer. It may be for a small car dealer. You can't assume that this is for a single family.
More likely it is someone who thinks they are going to resell it at an inflated price.
Of course it could also just be someone who's gotten paranoid with the possibility it may be months before they can reliably buy gas again and is grabbing as much as they can now because you can't play it too safe.
Quote from: D-Dey65 on May 13, 2021, 01:10:52 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 12, 2021, 02:15:05 PM
https://twitter.com/USCPSC/status/1392482092823502849
I can't believe anyone has to be told to do that. It's like telling them not to drink dishwashing detergent.
Or not to drink bleach. :bigass:
There wasn't actually a gas shortage until people heard that there would possibly be one. See also Johnny Carson's toilet paper warning on the Tonight Show in 1973.
So what I like to know is how they are going to store the plastic bags of gasoline. How are they going to get the gasoline out of the bag and into the vehicle?
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 13, 2021, 10:36:37 AM
So what I like to know is how they are going to store the plastic bags of gasoline. How are they going to get the gasoline out of the bag and into the vehicle?
If I were a betting man, I'd say that none of them were thinking that far ahead when they were filling said bags :pan:
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 13, 2021, 10:36:37 AM
How are they going to get the gasoline out of the bag and into the vehicle?
Seems pretty easy to me.
1. Empty contents into a bucket.
2. Insert funnel into gas tank tube.
3. Pour contents down the funnel.
From CNN:
Gas stations throughout the Southeast are running out of fuel as Americans continue to panic-buy following the Colonial Pipeline shutdown.
The supply crunch appears to be much worse in some major metro areas. Here's a look at some of the hardest-hit cities, according to GasBuddy, an app that tracks fuel demand, prices and outages.
Nearly three-quarters – 73% – of gas stations in Pensacola, Florida, are impacted.
About 72% of gas stations are reporting outages in Raleigh, North Carolina.
Outages are impacting 71% of the stations in metro Charlotte, North Carolina.
Nearly 60% of stations are impacted in Atlanta.
Chris
On the plus side, maybe some of these dumb shits putting gas in bags will get an impromptu chemistry lesson. :P
"The gasoline dissolved the plastic bag and spilled everywhere. I learned something today."
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Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 13, 2021, 04:04:10 PM
On the plus side, maybe some of these dumb shits putting gas in bags will get an impromptu chemistry lesson. :P
"The gasoline dissolved the plastic bag and spilled everywhere. I learned something today."
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ImmenseFearlessCockatiel-size_restricted.gif)
Can't wait until they try to put some in a portable Styrofoam cooler and create napalm.
Chris
Oh, good, I'm glad she doubled the plastic bag of gasoline. Otherwise it might have been dangerous. :rolleyes:
Short lines 2-4 cars here in the FL panhandle. I saw one guy filling 3 large gas cans. I only fill mine pre hurricane to be ready for post hurricane.
Prices only rose to $2.85 away from the interstate. Prices near the interstate were as high a $3.50.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 11, 2021, 07:47:27 PM
Before everyone goes all Freewayjim just know that I paid $4.08 for 87 octane as a normal thing yesterday in Fresno.
What does going all Freewayjim mean? Is there like a Freewayjim mode?
Quote from: thspfc on May 13, 2021, 10:39:28 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 11, 2021, 07:47:27 PM
Before everyone goes all Freewayjim just know that I paid $4.08 for 87 octane as a normal thing yesterday in Fresno.
What does going all Freewayjim mean? Is there like a Freewayjim mode?
It means panicking about gas shortages, gas prices or really anything kind of the entry level mentality in the road community.
And DC has the highest percentage of no gas.
Quote from: tolbs17 on May 14, 2021, 11:36:09 AM
And DC has the highest percentage of no gas.
They have plenty of gas. 535 sources of it.
Quote from: renegade on May 14, 2021, 03:14:03 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on May 14, 2021, 11:36:09 AM
And DC has the highest percentage of no gas.
They have plenty of gas. 535 sources of it.
Hey, stop that rational thinking now.
Quote from: renegade on May 14, 2021, 03:14:03 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on May 14, 2021, 11:36:09 AM
And DC has the highest percentage of no gas.
They have plenty of gas. 535 sources of it.
Except that gas is hot air.
Quote from: tolbs17 on May 14, 2021, 11:36:09 AM
highest percentage of no gas
Let's just all stop for a moment and appreciate the fact that |tolbs17| was only the second person on the internet to use that phrase.
(https://i.imgur.com/pHDDcFA.jpg)
I didn't realize there was a thread about this until now lmao.
The people who are panic buying are absolutely to blame for the shortages, no doubt. I'm not sure if they were just selfish, trying to hustle the gas later, or what, but it was fucking stupid.
Then there's the price gouging. There was at least one station around here (pretty sure there were more) that jacked their prices up to $6.99/gallon the other day before they were forced to cut off due to the state of emergency being declared. Sad. Just... Sad. I'm sure they've been reported by now.
I would hate to what would happen if this was a bigger thing nationwide. Actually something like this did happen back in the 2000's
Quote from: plain on May 14, 2021, 07:35:50 PM
I didn't realize there was a thread about this until now lmao.
The people who are panic buying are absolutely to blame for the shortages, no doubt. I'm not sure if they were just selfish, trying to hustle the gas later, or what, but it was fucking stupid.
Then there's the price gouging. There was at least one station around here (pretty sure there were more) that jacked their prices up to $6.99/gallon the other day before they were forced to cut off due to the state of emergency being declared. Sad. Just... Sad. I'm sure they've been reported by now.
I would hate to what would happen if this was a bigger thing nationwide. Actually something like this did happen back in the 2000's
Nationwide? Try 1973 and 1979, not anytime in the 2000s.
Quote from: kphoger on May 14, 2021, 04:36:46 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on May 14, 2021, 11:36:09 AM
highest percentage of no gas
Let's just all stop for a moment and appreciate the fact that |tolbs17| was only the second person on the internet to use that phrase.
(https://i.imgur.com/pHDDcFA.jpg)
And the first to use it in reference to gasoline–that appears to be a reference to nitrous oxide (NO) gas.
Quote from: Brandon on May 14, 2021, 09:20:53 PM
Quote from: plain on May 14, 2021, 07:35:50 PM
I didn't realize there was a thread about this until now lmao.
The people who are panic buying are absolutely to blame for the shortages, no doubt. I'm not sure if they were just selfish, trying to hustle the gas later, or what, but it was fucking stupid.
Then there's the price gouging. There was at least one station around here (pretty sure there were more) that jacked their prices up to $6.99/gallon the other day before they were forced to cut off due to the state of emergency being declared. Sad. Just... Sad. I'm sure they've been reported by now.
I would hate to what would happen if this was a bigger thing nationwide. Actually something like this did happen back in the 2000's
Nationwide? Try 1973 and 1979, not anytime in the 2000s.
I was referring to gas prices spiking in the 2000's, not embargoes
Quote from: plain on May 14, 2021, 07:35:50 PM
Then there's the price gouging. There was at least one station around here (pretty sure there were more) that jacked their prices up to $6.99/gallon the other day before they were forced to cut off due to the state of emergency being declared. Sad. Just... Sad. I'm sure they've been reported by now.
If that's the price it would take to prevent them from running out, then that's what they should charge. I hate it when prices are kept artificially low and shortages result. I have plenty of experience from how this has affected grocery shopping... store prices item artificially low to be "nice" and keep product "affordable"... nobody can buy said product because the shelves are bare... store finally realizes that supply chain issue isn't just a short-term blip and finally raises prices... stock is plentiful and shoppers can breath easy and stop substituting in other products. This has happened again and again and again over the last 14 months. If I lived in the area experiencing shortages, I'd be absolutely furious.
This whole thing is caused by the panic buyers in the first place. At the beginning, the experts were saying to just buy gas when you need it, and everything would be fine. But then people panicked, made runs on the stations, and now we're in the middle of a shortage that will take a week or two to resolve. Congratulations stupid people, you just ruined the whole month of May for a good chunk of the country. And now we're insisting that stations not price the panic buyers back to more normal behavior.
Quote from: vdeane on May 14, 2021, 10:36:35 PM
Quote from: plain on May 14, 2021, 07:35:50 PM
Then there's the price gouging. There was at least one station around here (pretty sure there were more) that jacked their prices up to $6.99/gallon the other day before they were forced to cut off due to the state of emergency being declared. Sad. Just... Sad. I'm sure they've been reported by now.
If that's the price it would take to prevent them from running out, then that's what they should charge. I hate it when prices are kept artificially low and shortages result. I have plenty of experience from how this has affected grocery shopping... store prices item artificially low to be "nice" and keep product "affordable"... nobody can buy said product because the shelves are bare... store finally realizes that supply chain issue isn't just a short-term blip and finally raises prices... stock is plentiful and shoppers can breath easy and stop substituting in other products. This has happened again and again and again over the last 14 months. If I lived in the area experiencing shortages, I'd be absolutely furious.
This whole thing is caused by the panic buyers in the first place. At the beginning, the experts were saying to just buy gas when you need it, and everything would be fine. But then people panicked, made runs on the stations, and now we're in the middle of a shortage that will take a week or two to resolve. Congratulations stupid people, you just ruined the whole month of May for a good chunk of the country. And now we're insisting that stations not price the panic buyers back to more normal behavior.
Unless you live in a relatively small portion of the Carolinas, maybe Georgia, maybe southern Virginia, the grand majority of the country wasn't affected.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 14, 2021, 10:44:54 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 14, 2021, 10:36:35 PM
Quote from: plain on May 14, 2021, 07:35:50 PM
Then there's the price gouging. There was at least one station around here (pretty sure there were more) that jacked their prices up to $6.99/gallon the other day before they were forced to cut off due to the state of emergency being declared. Sad. Just... Sad. I'm sure they've been reported by now.
If that's the price it would take to prevent them from running out, then that's what they should charge. I hate it when prices are kept artificially low and shortages result. I have plenty of experience from how this has affected grocery shopping... store prices item artificially low to be "nice" and keep product "affordable"... nobody can buy said product because the shelves are bare... store finally realizes that supply chain issue isn't just a short-term blip and finally raises prices... stock is plentiful and shoppers can breath easy and stop substituting in other products. This has happened again and again and again over the last 14 months. If I lived in the area experiencing shortages, I'd be absolutely furious.
This whole thing is caused by the panic buyers in the first place. At the beginning, the experts were saying to just buy gas when you need it, and everything would be fine. But then people panicked, made runs on the stations, and now we're in the middle of a shortage that will take a week or two to resolve. Congratulations stupid people, you just ruined the whole month of May for a good chunk of the country. And now we're insisting that stations not price the panic buyers back to more normal behavior.
Unless you live in a relatively small portion of the Carolinas, maybe Georgia, maybe southern Virginia, the grand majority of the country wasn't affected.
From what I've read, it seems to be the entire southeast and parts of the Mid Atlantic. I know someone who lives in DC, and from his Facebook posts, they definitely seem affected. And even if it is just a "small" area, that's cold comfort if you live in that area and now can't buy gas.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-south-carolina-woman-hoarding-gas-fire-crash-explosion-20210514-td5tf535svgtdnyfyp4672puai-story.html
What the hell
Also, why have I not heard about this much in New England?
Quote from: vdeane on May 14, 2021, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 14, 2021, 10:44:54 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 14, 2021, 10:36:35 PM
Quote from: plain on May 14, 2021, 07:35:50 PM
Then there's the price gouging. There was at least one station around here (pretty sure there were more) that jacked their prices up to $6.99/gallon the other day before they were forced to cut off due to the state of emergency being declared. Sad. Just... Sad. I'm sure they've been reported by now.
If that's the price it would take to prevent them from running out, then that's what they should charge. I hate it when prices are kept artificially low and shortages result. I have plenty of experience from how this has affected grocery shopping... store prices item artificially low to be "nice" and keep product "affordable"... nobody can buy said product because the shelves are bare... store finally realizes that supply chain issue isn't just a short-term blip and finally raises prices... stock is plentiful and shoppers can breath easy and stop substituting in other products. This has happened again and again and again over the last 14 months. If I lived in the area experiencing shortages, I'd be absolutely furious.
This whole thing is caused by the panic buyers in the first place. At the beginning, the experts were saying to just buy gas when you need it, and everything would be fine. But then people panicked, made runs on the stations, and now we're in the middle of a shortage that will take a week or two to resolve. Congratulations stupid people, you just ruined the whole month of May for a good chunk of the country. And now we're insisting that stations not price the panic buyers back to more normal behavior.
Unless you live in a relatively small portion of the Carolinas, maybe Georgia, maybe southern Virginia, the grand majority of the country wasn't affected.
From what I've read, it seems to be the entire southeast and parts of the Mid Atlantic. I know someone who lives in DC, and from his Facebook posts, they definitely seem affected. And even if it is just a "small" area, that's cold comfort if you live in that area and now can't buy gas.
Our relatives in Fort Myers and near Miami said there were definitely long lines there, though not as nuts as what we were seeing on the news here. People don't use logic. The fact that southern Florida isn't served by that pipeline doesn't register with people prone to panic-buying.
Quote from: plain on May 14, 2021, 10:01:03 PM
Quote from: Brandon on May 14, 2021, 09:20:53 PM
Quote from: plain on May 14, 2021, 07:35:50 PM
I didn't realize there was a thread about this until now lmao.
The people who are panic buying are absolutely to blame for the shortages, no doubt. I'm not sure if they were just selfish, trying to hustle the gas later, or what, but it was fucking stupid.
Then there's the price gouging. There was at least one station around here (pretty sure there were more) that jacked their prices up to $6.99/gallon the other day before they were forced to cut off due to the state of emergency being declared. Sad. Just... Sad. I'm sure they've been reported by now.
I would hate to what would happen if this was a bigger thing nationwide. Actually something like this did happen back in the 2000's
Nationwide? Try 1973 and 1979, not anytime in the 2000s.
I was referring to gas prices spiking in the 2000's, not embargoes
A price spike that had plenty of fuel to go around and no stations were ever without fuel.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 15, 2021, 01:09:49 AM
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-south-carolina-woman-hoarding-gas-fire-crash-explosion-20210514-td5tf535svgtdnyfyp4672puai-story.html
What the hell
Also, why have I not heard about this much in New England?
Why in the world would you steal a vehicle so you could hoard gas?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 15, 2021, 01:09:49 AM
Also, why have I not heard about this much in New England?
It's not affecting the Northeast much, since we're not directly served by the affected pipeline.
Defiantly panic buying in the Nashville Metro and exurb areas.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 15, 2021, 01:28:28 PM
Defiantly panic buying in the Nashville Metro and exurb areas.
So people are being defiant and deliberately panic buying to make a statement that we all should?
No shortages or price increases here in NJ, but I suppose all those refineries, pipelines, and marine fuel terminals have something to do with it. After all the Colonial Pipeline ends/begins here.
Still some stations out today, but for the most part it's back to normal.
Quote from: Takumi on May 15, 2021, 09:43:52 PM
Still some stations out today, but for the most part it's back to normal.
That's good to hear. I can't imagine what would (could) happen if it had been nationwide. Panic-buying is usually though not always the cause of the perceived shortage, rather than any real shortage.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 16, 2021, 09:50:43 AM
Quote from: Takumi on May 15, 2021, 09:43:52 PM
Still some stations out today, but for the most part it's back to normal.
That's good to hear. I can't imagine what would (could) happen if it had been nationwide. Panic-buying is usually though not always the cause of the perceived shortage, rather than any real shortage.
Read up on what happened in the 1970s. Gas rationing; specific days based on license plate numbers, etc. Fuel prices about 3 times higher than what they had been averaging.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 16, 2021, 10:11:34 AM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on May 16, 2021, 09:50:43 AM
Quote from: Takumi on May 15, 2021, 09:43:52 PM
Still some stations out today, but for the most part it's back to normal.
That's good to hear. I can't imagine what would (could) happen if it had been nationwide. Panic-buying is usually though not always the cause of the perceived shortage, rather than any real shortage.
Read up on what happened in the 1970s. Gas rationing; specific days based on license plate numbers, etc. Fuel prices about 3 times higher than what they had been averaging.
Plus there was less efficient cars rolling around at every market segment back then. So much is different going back to the 1970s with cars that it is hard to draw an apples to apples comparison to what happened this year. The worst cars in terms of efficiency had big block V8s and potentially have mileage in the low teens or on a bad day single digits. Even compact cars back then had things like small displacement V8s or large displacement straight sixes topped with really inefficient carburetors.
58% in North Carolina. Better than last week but still bad.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 15, 2021, 01:09:49 AM
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-south-carolina-woman-hoarding-gas-fire-crash-explosion-20210514-td5tf535svgtdnyfyp4672puai-story.html
What the hell
Also, why have I not heard about this much in New England?
If she didn't have her own car, why did she need gas?
Quote from: Takumi on May 15, 2021, 09:43:52 PM
Still some stations out today, but for the most part it's back to normal.
Yeah, I was out and about over the weekend and I was pleasantly surprised at how quickly the panic buying settled down after the pipeline restarted.
Quote from: Brandon on May 14, 2021, 09:20:53 PM
Quote from: plain on May 14, 2021, 07:35:50 PM
Nationwide? Try 1973 and 1979, not anytime in the 2000s.
I was referring to gas prices spiking in the 2000's, not embargoes
There was totally a run on gasoline on 9/11 and the day after.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 17, 2021, 04:53:14 PM
Quote from: Brandon on May 14, 2021, 09:20:53 PM
Quote from: plain on May 14, 2021, 07:35:50 PM
Nationwide? Try 1973 and 1979, not anytime in the 2000s.
I was referring to gas prices spiking in the 2000's, not embargoes
There was totally a run on gasoline on 9/11 and the day after.
Didn't experience a shortage going to the pumps that evening (we topped off our two cars which were vaguely half-full), but in the next few days prices dropped. So it was a silly decision on a budget.
If you really want to see a line, wait 3-5 days after a hurricane and power isn't fully restored to the area. One-mile lines were not unheard of in South Florida, have to imagine it's similar for other areas, especially those where backup generators are not common. (Florida has anti-gouging laws that usually go in effect after a State of Emergency declaration.)
Gas prices in my neck of the woods have increased about 25 cents since the pipeline hack began. Could be related to the shortage, or prepping for the summer fuel mix...either way, I'm really tempted to find an electric vehicle for the sake of long-term stability.
Quote from: Bruce on May 17, 2021, 07:52:26 PM
Gas prices in my neck of the woods have increased about 25 cents since the pipeline hack began. Could be related to the shortage, or prepping for the summer fuel mix...either way, I'm really tempted to find an electric vehicle for the sake of long-term stability.
Definitely trying to encourage that it looks like.
Quote from: Bruce on May 17, 2021, 07:52:26 PM
Gas prices in my neck of the woods have increased about 25 cents since the pipeline hack began. Could be related to the shortage, or prepping for the summer fuel mix...either way, I'm really tempted to find an electric vehicle for the sake of long-term stability.
That is, until the power goes out.
Quote from: Brandon on May 18, 2021, 06:35:19 AM
Quote from: Bruce on May 17, 2021, 07:52:26 PM
Gas prices in my neck of the woods have increased about 25 cents since the pipeline hack began. Could be related to the shortage, or prepping for the summer fuel mix...either way, I'm really tempted to find an electric vehicle for the sake of long-term stability.
That is, until the power goes out.
One of the worst things about the whole gas panic was all the EV owners getting all South Park Smug Episode for a day or two.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 18, 2021, 07:56:46 AM
Quote from: Brandon on May 18, 2021, 06:35:19 AM
Quote from: Bruce on May 17, 2021, 07:52:26 PM
Gas prices in my neck of the woods have increased about 25 cents since the pipeline hack began. Could be related to the shortage, or prepping for the summer fuel mix...either way, I'm really tempted to find an electric vehicle for the sake of long-term stability.
That is, until the power goes out.
One of the worst things about the whole gas panic was all the EV owners getting all South Park Smug Episode for a day or two.
A co-worker had to make a quick trip to North Carolina over the weekend because his mother-in-law was on her deathbed and they called the family in to say farewell to her. He called me yesterday to request a press release on a road closure, and told me he'd been down south. I asked him about the availability of gas. He said the biggest problem was the lines of customers waiting at the pumps spilling out onto the highway. He'd gotten gas on the way down, and said he had enough gas to get back to the Ft. Chiswell/Wytheville area on the return trip, but he said that he saw lots of stations that were out of gas and diesel -- and many places had also turned off their electric vehicle charging stations as well. That didn't make any sense. Was the logic "if traditional vehicle drivers have to suffer, then EV drivers have to suffer too?"
Quote from: Brandon on May 18, 2021, 06:35:19 AM
Quote from: Bruce on May 17, 2021, 07:52:26 PM
Gas prices in my neck of the woods have increased about 25 cents since the pipeline hack began. Could be related to the shortage, or prepping for the summer fuel mix...either way, I'm really tempted to find an electric vehicle for the sake of long-term stability.
That is, until the power goes out.
Most gas pumps would be out in that scenario as well.
My local provider (Snohomish PUD) rarely has multi-day outages for my area, so charging at home wouldn't be much of a problem.
Quote from: Bruce on May 18, 2021, 08:01:10 PM
Quote from: Brandon on May 18, 2021, 06:35:19 AM
Quote from: Bruce on May 17, 2021, 07:52:26 PM
Gas prices in my neck of the woods have increased about 25 cents since the pipeline hack began. Could be related to the shortage, or prepping for the summer fuel mix...either way, I'm really tempted to find an electric vehicle for the sake of long-term stability.
That is, until the power goes out.
Most gas pumps would be out in that scenario as well.
My local provider (Snohomish PUD) rarely has multi-day outages for my area, so charging at home wouldn't be much of a problem.
Yes, but you can bring gasoline back from places with power. Can you charge your car and bring it back from a couple hundred miles away? You can't just pop a couple of Energizers in a Tesla.
They do make some plug in hybrids that could go gas or electric and also gas/electric. I test drove a couple of used ones and they weren't sufficiently charged to see how they drive and handle under full electric conditions. I went ahead a purchased a new full electric vehicle.
Quote from: hbelkins on May 18, 2021, 02:13:06 PM
.... He'd gotten gas on the way down, and said he had enough gas to get back to the Ft. Chiswell/Wytheville area on the return trip, but he said that he saw lots of stations that were out of gas and diesel -- and many places had also turned off their electric vehicle charging stations as well. That didn't make any sense. Was the logic "if traditional vehicle drivers have to suffer, then EV drivers have to suffer too?"
I wonder whether some gas stations might turn off the EV chargers out of concern that some of the dumber motorists on the road won't mentally process that those are EVs, turn in to buy gas, and then start causing trouble when they're told they can't buy gas. On the whole that's a bit silly, but I also don't think it's totally far-fetched. Never underestimate the number of really stupid people out there on the roads. (In my mind, whether that makes sense might also depend on whether the gas station has a convenience store that the owner wants to keep open as an income stream. If the store stays open, you're still going to get some stupid people screaming and yelling about wanting to buy gas, but it doesn't make sense to turn off the EV chargers in that scenario.)
There was a video on Twitter some time back of someone driving a new Tesla up to the gas pumps, being unable to figure out where the gas cap was, and pulling out a phone to do a Google search. It was funny, but I also have to assume it was staged.
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 19, 2021, 08:48:04 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 18, 2021, 02:13:06 PM
.... He'd gotten gas on the way down, and said he had enough gas to get back to the Ft. Chiswell/Wytheville area on the return trip, but he said that he saw lots of stations that were out of gas and diesel -- and many places had also turned off their electric vehicle charging stations as well. That didn't make any sense. Was the logic "if traditional vehicle drivers have to suffer, then EV drivers have to suffer too?"
I wonder whether some gas stations might turn off the EV chargers out of concern that some of the dumber motorists on the road won't mentally process that those are EVs, turn in to buy gas, and then start causing trouble when they're told they can't buy gas. On the whole that's a bit silly, but I also don't think it's totally far-fetched. Never underestimate the number of really stupid people out there on the roads. (In my mind, whether that makes sense might also depend on whether the gas station has a convenience store that the owner wants to keep open as an income stream. If the store stays open, you're still going to get some stupid people screaming and yelling about wanting to buy gas, but it doesn't make sense to turn off the EV chargers in that scenario.)
There was a video on Twitter some time back of someone driving a new Tesla up to the gas pumps, being unable to figure out where the gas cap was, and pulling out a phone to do a Google search. It was funny, but I also have to assume it was staged.
I would assume that was staged. Now that is dumb to turn off the EV chargers. I would hate to be low in range only to find the charger turned off due to stupidity. I had to stay somewhere overnight when I brought my car home as a DC station showing on several maps was ripped out due to construction. I had to plug into a level two charger and just stay the night.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 19, 2021, 09:05:31 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 19, 2021, 08:48:04 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 18, 2021, 02:13:06 PM
.... He'd gotten gas on the way down, and said he had enough gas to get back to the Ft. Chiswell/Wytheville area on the return trip, but he said that he saw lots of stations that were out of gas and diesel -- and many places had also turned off their electric vehicle charging stations as well. That didn't make any sense. Was the logic "if traditional vehicle drivers have to suffer, then EV drivers have to suffer too?"
I wonder whether some gas stations might turn off the EV chargers out of concern that some of the dumber motorists on the road won't mentally process that those are EVs, turn in to buy gas, and then start causing trouble when they're told they can't buy gas. On the whole that's a bit silly, but I also don't think it's totally far-fetched. Never underestimate the number of really stupid people out there on the roads. (In my mind, whether that makes sense might also depend on whether the gas station has a convenience store that the owner wants to keep open as an income stream. If the store stays open, you're still going to get some stupid people screaming and yelling about wanting to buy gas, but it doesn't make sense to turn off the EV chargers in that scenario.)
There was a video on Twitter some time back of someone driving a new Tesla up to the gas pumps, being unable to figure out where the gas cap was, and pulling out a phone to do a Google search. It was funny, but I also have to assume it was staged.
I would assume that was staged. Now that is dumb to turn off the EV chargers. I would hate to be low in range only to find the charger turned off due to stupidity. I had to stay somewhere overnight when I brought my car home as a DC station showing on several maps was ripped out due to construction. I had to plug into a level two charger and just stay the night.
Was the station running on a diesel generator? That's not exactly uncommon out west and could be a feasible explanation why the EV chargers weren't up and running?
Quote from: Brandon on May 19, 2021, 06:55:09 AM
Quote from: Bruce on May 18, 2021, 08:01:10 PM
Quote from: Brandon on May 18, 2021, 06:35:19 AM
Quote from: Bruce on May 17, 2021, 07:52:26 PM
Gas prices in my neck of the woods have increased about 25 cents since the pipeline hack began. Could be related to the shortage, or prepping for the summer fuel mix...either way, I'm really tempted to find an electric vehicle for the sake of long-term stability.
That is, until the power goes out.
Most gas pumps would be out in that scenario as well.
My local provider (Snohomish PUD) rarely has multi-day outages for my area, so charging at home wouldn't be much of a problem.
Yes, but you can bring gasoline back from places with power. Can you charge your car and bring it back from a couple hundred miles away? You can't just pop a couple of Energizers in a Tesla.
Battery swaps are possible in some EV models.
Long-term power outages are rare up here, so planning my entire life around them would be foolish. Day-to-day, EVs would win out for me because of the lower fuel costs and better handling on hilly streets (of which we have many).
Surprisingly, there are still isolated stations that are out of some grades of gas. I stopped to fill up my Aristo last night at a station in Richmond, and they were out of mid-grade and premium.
Quote from: Bruce on May 19, 2021, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: Brandon on May 19, 2021, 06:55:09 AM
Quote from: Bruce on May 18, 2021, 08:01:10 PM
Quote from: Brandon on May 18, 2021, 06:35:19 AM
Quote from: Bruce on May 17, 2021, 07:52:26 PM
Gas prices in my neck of the woods have increased about 25 cents since the pipeline hack began. Could be related to the shortage, or prepping for the summer fuel mix...either way, I'm really tempted to find an electric vehicle for the sake of long-term stability.
That is, until the power goes out.
Most gas pumps would be out in that scenario as well.
My local provider (Snohomish PUD) rarely has multi-day outages for my area, so charging at home wouldn't be much of a problem.
Yes, but you can bring gasoline back from places with power. Can you charge your car and bring it back from a couple hundred miles away? You can't just pop a couple of Energizers in a Tesla.
Battery swaps are possible in some EV models.
Long-term power outages are rare up here, so planning my entire life around them would be foolish. Day-to-day, EVs would win out for me because of the lower fuel costs and better handling on hilly streets (of which we have many).
Tricky thing is that you're tied to that power grid infrastructure and range of the EV if you want to go anywhere outside of Metro Seattle. That's fine if you're inclined not to take trips often or have a gasoline powered second vehicle.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 23, 2021, 02:17:43 PM
Tricky thing is that you're tied to that power grid infrastructure and range of the EV if you want to go anywhere outside of Metro Seattle. That's fine if you're inclined not to take trips often or have a gasoline powered second vehicle.
Luckily there's been a good push by the state to build more charging stations along major corridors, which about covers I-5, I-90, and US 2. Other areas should eventually get their stations, as hydro power is even cheaper in Eastern WA due to the nearby dams.
Oregon's network is even more impressive: https://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/Programs/Electric%20Vehicle%20library/Electric%20Hwy%20Map-REV_4-15.pdf
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 23, 2021, 02:17:43 PM
Tricky thing is that you're tied to that power grid infrastructure and range of the EV if you want to go anywhere outside of Metro Seattle. That's fine if you're inclined not to take trips often or have a gasoline powered second vehicle.
I could see it becoming a popular option to have electric daily drivers for commuting around your own metro, then renting a hybrid or gas-powered car if you want to take a roadtrip.
Quote from: Takumi on May 23, 2021, 02:08:35 PM
Surprisingly, there are still isolated stations that are out of some grades of gas. I stopped to fill up my Aristo last night at a station in Richmond, and they were out of mid-grade and premium.
Well, if they're out of premium, aren't they by necessity also out of midgrade? As I understand it, midgrade is just a mix of regular and premium.