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Title: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Some one on May 21, 2021, 02:16:27 AM
Not sure if this has been done before, but what are two (preferably major) cities that are connected by a non-interstate freeway or, at the very least, a stoplight-free highway. The Florida Expressway is a tollway built to interstate standard that connects Orlando with Miami (and also Ocala). Also, I'm not sure if I'm 100% correct but you can go from Dallas to Wichita Falls without hitting a traffic light on US 287.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Flint1979 on May 21, 2021, 02:24:58 AM
US-10 connects Midland and Bay City in Michigan. They aren't real big major cities Midland has about 40,000 people and Bay City has about 30,000 people.

US-23 connects Flint to Ann Arbor also in Michigan.

US-131 connects Grand Rapids to Kalamazoo.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Some one on May 21, 2021, 02:26:40 AM
Houston to College Station also counts, as you can take US 290 to SH 6 and vice versa. 290 (up until SH 6 north) is a freeway while SH 6 is an expressway/freeway.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: sprjus4 on May 21, 2021, 02:28:29 AM
Norfolk and Raleigh via US-17 and US-64.

Only a handful of signals spread out in various areas on US-17, the rest is free-flow highway or freeway.

Not sure if the signals would disqualify it, but it's close.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on May 21, 2021, 02:41:40 AM
St. Paul and Rochester: US 52 (no traffic lights, but still one at-grade rail crossing)
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Flint1979 on May 21, 2021, 02:41:59 AM
Indianapolis and South Bend connected by US-31.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: TheStranger on May 21, 2021, 03:19:33 AM
Los Angeles-San Francisco via US 101

San Francisco-San Jose via US 101.  (US 101 works for a lot of cities in California from SF northward to about Eureka and SF southward to I-5, though something like San Rafael-San Jose would not due to the Lombard/Van Ness section that did not end up being supplanted by the unbuilt north portion of the Central Freeway)

Bakersfield-Fresno-Modesto-Stockton-Sacramento (or any combination of any two of those cities) via Route 99

Los Angeles-Palmdale-Lancaster via Route 14

Los Angeles-Riverside via Route 60

Anaheim-Riverside via Route 91

Anaheim-Pomona via Route 57

Davis-Woodland (the two largest cities in Yolo County) via Route 113

Monterey-Santa Cruz via Route 1

San Jose-Santa Cruz via Route 17


Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Crown Victoria on May 21, 2021, 08:47:46 AM
Annapolis, MD and Wilmington, DE are connected by US 301 (part-freeway, part-expressway, part-toll road) and DE 1 (freeway/toll road) (need to use I-95 or US 13 to actually enter Wilmington, but it's close enough).

While Washington, DC and Baltimore are connected by I-95, they are also connected by the Baltimore-Washington Parkway.



Quote from: Some one on May 21, 2021, 02:16:27 AM
Not sure if this has been done before, but what are two (preferably major) cities that are connected by a non-interstate freeway or, at the very least, a stoplight-free highway. The Florida Expressway is a tollway built to interstate standard that connects Orlando with Miami (and also Ocala). Also, I'm not sure if I'm 100% correct but you can go from Dallas to Wichita Falls without hitting a traffic light on US 287.

Florida Expressway? Why not Florida's Turnpike?
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Ketchup99 on May 21, 2021, 08:53:47 AM
There are a lot of these... I couldn't possibly list them all. PA:
- US-322, State College-Harrisburg
- US-15, Williamsport-Harrisburg
- US-15, Harrisburg-Frederick
- US-22, Altoona-Pittsburgh (a few lights though)
- PA-33, Stroudsburg-Easton
- PA-283, Harrisburg-Lancaster
- US-30/202, Downingtown-Valley Forge
- PA-43, Pittsburgh-Uniontown
- US-15, Williamsport-Corning
and I'm sure there are a lot more.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: SkyPesos on May 21, 2021, 08:55:35 AM
Columbus-Findlay (part of longer Columbus-Toledo): US 23/OH 15
Dayton-Charleston: US 35
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 21, 2021, 09:11:08 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 21, 2021, 02:41:59 AM
Indianapolis and South Bend connected by US-31.


Not stoplight-free for another couple years, but South Bend-Saint Joseph, MI and South Bend-Elkhart would qualify now.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: roadman65 on May 21, 2021, 09:25:43 AM

Atlantic City and Newark, NJ via the Garden State Parkway.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Some one on May 21, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
Quote from: Crown Victoria on May 21, 2021, 08:47:46 AM
Florida Expressway? Why not Florida's Turnpike?
My mistake. I meant the Florida's Turnpike.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: froggie on May 21, 2021, 11:14:48 AM
Quote from: Some one on May 21, 2021, 02:16:27 AM
but what are two (preferably major) cities that are connected by a non-interstate freeway or, at the very least, a stoplight-free highway.

The OP makes it sound like signals are a disqualification, so several of the examples already cited would not apply.

Does US 61 have any signals between Wentzville and Hannibal (MO)?  If not, then you can get from St. Louis to Iowa City via the Avenue of the Saints (mix of US 61, MO/IA 27, and US 218).
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: US 89 on May 21, 2021, 11:31:36 AM
Boulder and Denver are connected by a freeway-grade US 36.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: TheGrassGuy on May 21, 2021, 11:33:58 AM
Bakersfield and Barstow
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: sprjus4 on May 21, 2021, 12:58:14 PM
US-77 / US-59 Corpus Christi to Houston is close. Bypasses have yet to be built around Odem and Refugio. Besides those two outliers though, the entire highway is 4 lanes divided, 75 mph speed limit, with no traffic signals the whole way.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on May 21, 2021, 06:21:24 PM
Wisconsin and Iowa have a bunch of this...

WI Highway 29 from Green Bay to Eau Claire
US 53 from Eau Claire to Superior
US 151 from Madison to Fond du Lac
US 151 from Madison to Dubuque, IA

...and many more
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on May 21, 2021, 06:23:19 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2021, 09:11:08 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 21, 2021, 02:41:59 AM
Indianapolis and South Bend connected by US-31.


Not stoplight-free for another couple years, but South Bend-Saint Joseph, MI and South Bend-Elkhart would qualify now.

Add Fort Wayne to Toledo via US 24 onto this list.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: ilpt4u on May 21, 2021, 07:22:12 PM
Chicago and Kansas City, via the CKC/IL-MO 110! *ducks for cover*

Yes, parts of the CKC are Interstate
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Revive 755 on May 21, 2021, 11:20:28 PM
Quote from: froggie on May 21, 2021, 11:14:48 AM
Does US 61 have any signals between Wentzville and Hannibal (MO)?  If not, then you can get from St. Louis to Iowa City via the Avenue of the Saints (mix of US 61, MO/IA 27, and US 218).

Outside of the Hannibal area US 61 never used to have any stoplights north of I-70 in Missouri.  I haven't heard of any popping up but it's been years since I've been on that stretch of US 61 to be sure.  MoDOT was trying very hard to keep any from sprouting on the segment between I-70 and Troy.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 22, 2021, 12:17:13 AM
Baltimore and NYC via the non interstate part of the NJ Turnpike.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: roadman65 on May 22, 2021, 12:27:10 AM
NYC to New Haven, CT are already connected by interstate 95, but also the Hutchinson Parkway and Merrit Parkway/ Wilbur Cross Parkway connects them. 

The same could be said about connecting Bridgeport to New Haven via the Merit Parkway/ Wilbur Cross Parkway or Bridgeport to NYC via the Merit Hutchinson Combo.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: ozarkman417 on May 22, 2021, 12:37:57 AM
Springfield and KC in Missouri prior to the commissioning of I-49 in the state.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: SkyPesos on May 22, 2021, 12:41:34 AM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on May 22, 2021, 12:37:57 AM
Springfield and KC in Missouri prior to the commissioning of I-49 in the state.
Isn't it still mostly non-expressway south of Harrisonville, with MO 7/MO 13 making the link between those two cities?
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: US 89 on May 22, 2021, 01:03:00 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 22, 2021, 12:41:34 AM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on May 22, 2021, 12:37:57 AM
Springfield and KC in Missouri prior to the commissioning of I-49 in the state.
Isn't it still mostly non-expressway south of Harrisonville, with MO 7/MO 13 making the link between those two cities?

I did this exact drive last August. MO 7 and 13 are largely expressway/divided highway, but I'm fairly certain there are a handful of traffic lights in a few towns along the way.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: bing101 on May 22, 2021, 12:12:38 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on May 21, 2021, 03:19:33 AM
Los Angeles-San Francisco via US 101

San Francisco-San Jose via US 101.  (US 101 works for a lot of cities in California from SF northward to about Eureka and SF southward to I-5, though something like San Rafael-San Jose would not due to the Lombard/Van Ness section that did not end up being supplanted by the unbuilt north portion of the Central Freeway)

Bakersfield-Fresno-Modesto-Stockton-Sacramento (or any combination of any two of those cities) via Route 99

Los Angeles-Palmdale-Lancaster via Route 14

Los Angeles-Riverside via Route 60

Anaheim-Riverside via Route 91

Anaheim-Pomona via Route 57

Davis-Woodland (the two largest cities in Yolo County) via Route 113

Monterey-Santa Cruz via Route 1

San Jose-Santa Cruz via Route 17




US-50 from Sacramento to South Lake Tahoe.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on May 22, 2021, 01:57:31 PM
Galesburg, IL and Monmouth, IL (US 34/IL 110 freeway)
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: hbelkins on May 22, 2021, 02:00:52 PM
It's not devoid of signals, but Huntington and Columbus via US 52, OH 823, and US 23.

Similarly, Huntington and Cincinnati via US 52, OH 823, US 23, and OH 32.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 22, 2021, 10:46:06 PM
Boston and Fall River (MA 24)
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Revive 755 on May 22, 2021, 11:24:35 PM
Quote from: US 89 on May 22, 2021, 01:03:00 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 22, 2021, 12:41:34 AM
Isn't it still mostly non-expressway south of Harrisonville, with MO 7/MO 13 making the link between those two cities?

I did this exact drive last August. MO 7 and 13 are largely expressway/divided highway, but I'm fairly certain there are a handful of traffic lights in a few towns along the way.
As for the signals on that corridor:

* 2 at I-49 for SB, none if going north to I-49 NB
* At least 3 in Clinton (along with a long section of reduced speed limit)
* One at Route O on the far outer fringes of Springfield
* Thought there was another on the outer fringes of Springfield?
* 3 around the I-44 interchange
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: ftballfan on May 22, 2021, 11:51:24 PM
Jackson-Lansing-Mt. Pleasant-Clare-Grayling via US-127 (there are some at-grades between St. Johns and Ithaca, but AFAIK there are no stoplights)
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: DandyDan on May 23, 2021, 06:01:07 AM
Iowa has US 20 connecting Sioux City with Dubuque. You can take the Avenue of the Saints from here in Mason City to Waterloo/Cedar Falls. Sioux City and the Twin Cities has a 4 lane expressway connecting each other.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: roadman65 on May 23, 2021, 07:08:52 AM
Wichita to Hutchinson in Kansas via K-96.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 12:06:53 PM
Worcester and Providence via MA 146.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Rothman on May 23, 2021, 12:27:52 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 12:06:53 PM
Worcester and Providence via MA 146.
I don't think 146 is entirely stop-light free.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 12:28:24 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 23, 2021, 12:27:52 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 12:06:53 PM
Worcester and Providence via MA 146.
I don't think 146 is entirely stop-light free.
Are there still a couple in Worcester?
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Rothman on May 23, 2021, 04:23:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 12:28:24 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 23, 2021, 12:27:52 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 12:06:53 PM
Worcester and Providence via MA 146.
I don't think 146 is entirely stop-light free.
Are there still a couple in Worcester?
I am thinking Rhode Island as well.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 04:39:54 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 23, 2021, 04:23:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 12:28:24 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 23, 2021, 12:27:52 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 12:06:53 PM
Worcester and Providence via MA 146.
I don't think 146 is entirely stop-light free.
Are there still a couple in Worcester?
I am thinking Rhode Island as well.
I think that it's a full freeway in Rhode Island.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Rothman on May 23, 2021, 04:53:59 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 04:39:54 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 23, 2021, 04:23:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 12:28:24 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 23, 2021, 12:27:52 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 12:06:53 PM
Worcester and Providence via MA 146.
I don't think 146 is entirely stop-light free.
Are there still a couple in Worcester?
I am thinking Rhode Island as well.
I think that it's a full freeway in Rhode Island.
Ah, I was just a little too far south.  The cruddy section in Sutton, MA is what I was thinking of.

Oh, but wait, there's the cruddy section in North Smithfield, RI, too.

So, you're wrong and Worcester to Providence is disqualified. :D
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: 3467 on May 23, 2021, 05:03:04 PM
Problem with Galesburg Monmouth and 110 stoplights at Monmouth and Good Hope.
I think there might be by the 35 Interchange.

Now that the end of the freeway at Monmouth is considered legit it could get an Interstate designation. I now like 43 or 188 instead of 174.
There are no lights from the US 24 Interchange to Waterloo on 61 27. Iowa was trying to get rid of the on its entire section.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: webny99 on May 23, 2021, 06:43:09 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 23, 2021, 04:53:59 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 04:39:54 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 23, 2021, 04:23:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 12:28:24 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 23, 2021, 12:27:52 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 12:06:53 PM
Worcester and Providence via MA 146.
I don't think 146 is entirely stop-light free.
Are there still a couple in Worcester?
I am thinking Rhode Island as well.
I think that it's a full freeway in Rhode Island.
Ah, I was just a little too far south.  The cruddy section in Sutton, MA is what I was thinking of.
Oh, but wait, there's the cruddy section in North Smithfield, RI, too.
So, you're wrong and Worcester to Providence is disqualified. :D

Looks like the section in RI has just one stoplight. But there is at least one stoplight in MA as well, south of Millbury at Boston Rd. Too many business entrances to count regardless IMO.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: skluth on May 23, 2021, 07:00:35 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 23, 2021, 06:43:09 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 23, 2021, 04:53:59 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 04:39:54 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 23, 2021, 04:23:25 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 12:28:24 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 23, 2021, 12:27:52 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 23, 2021, 12:06:53 PM
Worcester and Providence via MA 146.
I don't think 146 is entirely stop-light free.
Are there still a couple in Worcester?
I am thinking Rhode Island as well.
I think that it's a full freeway in Rhode Island.
Ah, I was just a little too far south.  The cruddy section in Sutton, MA is what I was thinking of.
Oh, but wait, there's the cruddy section in North Smithfield, RI, too.
So, you're wrong and Worcester to Providence is disqualified. :D

Looks like the section in RI has just one stoplight. But there is at least one stoplight in MA as well, south of Millbury at Boston Rd. Too many business entrances to count regardless IMO.

This is in the original post. 
Quote
at the very least, a stoplight-free highway
Only one stoplight is a disqualification.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: webny99 on May 23, 2021, 07:02:02 PM
^ Yes, I was aware of that. Just pointing out the stoplight in MA since that wasn't confirmed before.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Rothman on May 23, 2021, 07:05:05 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 23, 2021, 07:02:02 PM
^ Yes, I was aware of that. Just pointing out the stoplight in MA since that wasn't confirmed before.
I mentioned the one in Sutton...
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: skluth on May 23, 2021, 07:06:16 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 23, 2021, 07:02:02 PM
^ Yes, I was aware of that. Just pointing out the stoplight in MA since that wasn't confirmed before.

Sorry. Wasn't meant for you specifically. There have just been too many posts ignoring that caveat and I was just being lazy by using the last post I saw. You aren't a guilty party.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: webny99 on May 23, 2021, 07:23:56 PM
Quote from: Rothman on May 23, 2021, 07:05:05 PM
I mentioned the one in Sutton...

Whoops, my bad. You did, I just forgot to check if that was the same section.

RGT had also asked if there are stoplights in Worcester, the answer to that appears to be no.. it's full freeway north of the Mass Pike.


Quote from: skluth on May 23, 2021, 07:06:16 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 23, 2021, 07:02:02 PM
^ Yes, I was aware of that. Just pointing out the stoplight in MA since that wasn't confirmed before.

Sorry. Wasn't meant for you specifically. There have just been too many posts ignoring that caveat and I was just being lazy by using the last post I saw. You aren't a guilty party.

Probably not so much ignoring it as just wanting whatever segment to count despite having a stoplight :D

All good though!
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: froggie on May 23, 2021, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: DandyDan on May 23, 2021, 06:01:07 AM
Iowa has US 20 connecting Sioux City with Dubuque. You can take the Avenue of the Saints from here in Mason City to Waterloo/Cedar Falls. Sioux City and the Twin Cities has a 4 lane expressway connecting each other.

I specifically excluded mentioning the Avenue of the Saints upthread because of the traffic signals in Waterloo/Cedar Falls.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: TheStranger on May 24, 2021, 02:20:48 AM
Quote from: bing101 on May 22, 2021, 12:12:38 PM

US-50 from Sacramento to South Lake Tahoe.

There's a stoplight or two in Placerville though.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: roadman65 on May 24, 2021, 02:32:43 AM
Has anyone mentioned Gettysburg, PA to Frederick, MD? Or are boroughs excluded?

Anyway US 15 is ( Or was in 1999) an expressway signal free between those points.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: froggie on May 24, 2021, 10:10:49 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 24, 2021, 02:32:43 AM
Has anyone mentioned Gettysburg, PA to Frederick, MD? Or are boroughs excluded?

Anyway US 15 is ( Or was in 1999) an expressway signal free between those points.

15 was mentioned upthread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29366.msg2617161#msg2617161) but there are signals south of Harrisburg.

I don't really see Gettysburg as a city...certainly not in the sense that the OP is portraying.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: sprjus4 on May 24, 2021, 02:55:27 PM
Dover and Wilmington, DE via the DE-1 toll road.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: OCGuy81 on May 24, 2021, 04:15:02 PM
While not a large city, Aberdeen is the largest on the Washington coast, and is connected to Olympia via the US-12/WA-8 corridor that's mostly freeway and expressway.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: roadman65 on May 28, 2021, 09:39:31 AM
Quote from: froggie on May 24, 2021, 10:10:49 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 24, 2021, 02:32:43 AM
Has anyone mentioned Gettysburg, PA to Frederick, MD? Or are boroughs excluded?

Anyway US 15 is ( Or was in 1999) an expressway signal free between those points.

15 was mentioned upthread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29366.msg2617161#msg2617161) but there are signals south of Harrisburg.

I don't really see Gettysburg as a city...certainly not in the sense that the OP is portraying.


It's why I asked.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 28, 2021, 12:30:15 PM
Norfolk and Philadelphia.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: hotdogPi on May 28, 2021, 12:34:15 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 28, 2021, 12:30:15 PM
Norfolk and Philadelphia.

I can't find a Norfolk in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, or Delaware. US 1 is a regular surface road in Connecticut and Rhode Island (for Norfolk, Massachusetts). I-95 is an Interstate for those going to Norfolk, VA.

What are you talking about?
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 28, 2021, 12:38:30 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 28, 2021, 12:34:15 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 28, 2021, 12:30:15 PM
Norfolk and Philadelphia.

I can't find a Norfolk in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, or Delaware. US 1 is a regular surface road in Connecticut and Rhode Island (for Norfolk, Massachusetts). I-95 is an Interstate for those going to Norfolk, VA.

What are you talking about?
Norfolk Virginia via US 13 and DE 1.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: GaryV on May 28, 2021, 12:42:16 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 28, 2021, 12:38:30 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 28, 2021, 12:34:15 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 28, 2021, 12:30:15 PM
Norfolk and Philadelphia.

I can't find a Norfolk in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, or Delaware. US 1 is a regular surface road in Connecticut and Rhode Island (for Norfolk, Massachusetts). I-95 is an Interstate for those going to Norfolk, VA.

What are you talking about?
Norfolk Virginia via US 13 and DE 1.
How are you going to get from Philly to the middle of DE using a freeway or expressway that is not an Interstate?
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: sprjus4 on May 28, 2021, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 28, 2021, 12:34:15 PM
I-95 is an Interstate for those going to Norfolk, VA.
Philadelphia to Norfolk is faster via DE-1 and US-13 (or US-113 to US-13) by at least 30 minutes, and that's assuming no traffic. Then add an hour to that when you realize the route you mention - I-95 (to I-64) goes through DC.

That said, US-13 and US-113 south of DE-1 is certainly not traffic signal free.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: hotdogPi on May 28, 2021, 01:07:59 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 28, 2021, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 28, 2021, 12:34:15 PM
I-95 is an Interstate for those going to Norfolk, VA.
Philadelphia to Norfolk is faster via DE-1 and US-13 (or US-113 to US-13) by at least 30 minutes, and that's assuming no traffic. Then add an hour to that when you realize the route you mention - I-95 (to I-64) goes through DC.

That said, US-13 and US-113 south of DE-1 is certainly not traffic signal free.

The portion between Philadelphia and DE 1 is part of I-95.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 28, 2021, 01:31:21 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 28, 2021, 01:07:59 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 28, 2021, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 28, 2021, 12:34:15 PM
I-95 is an Interstate for those going to Norfolk, VA.
Philadelphia to Norfolk is faster via DE-1 and US-13 (or US-113 to US-13) by at least 30 minutes, and that's assuming no traffic. Then add an hour to that when you realize the route you mention - I-95 (to I-64) goes through DC.

That said, US-13 and US-113 south of DE-1 is certainly not traffic signal free.

The portion between Philadelphia and DE 1 is part of I-95.
Mostly connected.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Dirt Roads on May 29, 2021, 09:04:54 PM
My favorite (already discussed in another thread) Winchester VA to Cumberland MD using VA-37/US-522/VA-127/WV-127/WV-29/WV-9/MD-51. 

In the old days, I would often utilize the Gaston Road cutoff between WV-127 and WV-29 back when that road was a mostly one-lane dirt road crossing North River on a one-lane concrete walled bridge.  Most of the time, I would need to stop to meet oncoming traffic.  If so, I would end up right behind the car/truck I was following.  If I got through unencumbered, I would be about a half-mile ahead of the line of traffic.  It looks like Gaston Road has been widened and now carries most of the traffic.  The Gaston Road cutoff now makes this route an almost "straight shot" between Winchester and Cumberland, if there is such a thing in the Appalachians.

Are there any other important routes between adjacent cities that utilize secondary roads (non-U.S. route/state route)?  (Some folks already have complained when I call this a major route).
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: froggie on May 31, 2021, 12:43:30 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 28, 2021, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 28, 2021, 12:34:15 PM
I-95 is an Interstate for those going to Norfolk, VA.
Philadelphia to Norfolk is faster via DE-1 and US-13 (or US-113 to US-13) by at least 30 minutes, and that's assuming no traffic. Then add an hour to that when you realize the route you mention - I-95 (to I-64) goes through DC.

That said, US-13 and US-113 south of DE-1 is certainly not traffic signal free.

I would argue that several segments of 13 on the Eastern Shore and in Delaware aren't even "expressway".  They may be 4 lanes, but there are a number of locations where it's undivided with driveways galore, and splits into a pair of one-way streets through both Greenwood and Harrington, DE.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: sprjus4 on May 31, 2021, 07:40:02 AM
Quote from: froggie on May 31, 2021, 12:43:30 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 28, 2021, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 28, 2021, 12:34:15 PM
I-95 is an Interstate for those going to Norfolk, VA.
Philadelphia to Norfolk is faster via DE-1 and US-13 (or US-113 to US-13) by at least 30 minutes, and that's assuming no traffic. Then add an hour to that when you realize the route you mention - I-95 (to I-64) goes through DC.

That said, US-13 and US-113 south of DE-1 is certainly not traffic signal free.

I would argue that several segments of 13 on the Eastern Shore and in Delaware aren't even "expressway".  They may be 4 lanes, but there are a number of locations where it's undivided with driveways galore, and splits into a pair of one-way streets through both Greenwood and Harrington, DE.
Can't disagree with that. US-13 in Maryland specifically is the closest to a true expressway. Controlled access freeway bypass around Salisbury, then limited access highway (with a couple signalized intersections) to US-113.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: bwana39 on May 31, 2021, 11:02:31 AM
Quote from: Some one on May 21, 2021, 02:16:27 AM
Not sure if this has been done before, but what are two (preferably major) cities that are connected by a non-interstate freeway or, at the very least, a stoplight-free highway. The Florida Expressway is a tollway built to interstate standard that connects Orlando with Miami (and also Ocala). Also, I'm not sure if I'm 100% correct but you can go from Dallas to Wichita Falls without hitting a traffic light on US 287.


No for a couple of reasons...

There is a signal in Bellevue.
US-287 goes to Fort Worth not Dallas.
The route from Dallas to US-287 (TX-114) still has a handful of lights on the portion where the mainlanes have not been built.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: sparker on May 31, 2021, 02:52:32 PM
The Tri-Cities metro area in SE WA (Richland, Kennewick, Pasco) and Spokane are in part connected by US 395, which is a mixed freeway/expressway -- although that facility does segue onto I-90 at Ritzville; the latter accounts for somewhat less than a half of the distance.  Nevertheless, a trip along US 395 is necessary for travel between the two areas.  In the larger sense, that same corridor is part of the most direct path between Portland, OR and Spokane, using I-84 and I-82 for the portion SW of the Tri-Cities.  While US 395 itself does feature several signals in Kennewick, those can be bypassed by I-82 and I-182 albeit with an increase in mileage. 
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: roadman65 on June 02, 2021, 11:59:54 AM
One could argue that the Sprain Brook Parkway and Taconic State Parkway combined could be one between Albany and New York City.  Though it stops short miles before Albany some may consider I-90 as indirectly serving Albany from the TSP.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 02, 2021, 12:11:44 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 02, 2021, 11:59:54 AM
One could argue that the Sprain Brook Parkway and Taconic State Parkway combined could be one between Albany and New York City.  Though it stops short miles before Albany some may consider I-90 as indirectly serving Albany from the TSP.
Albany and NYC are mainly connected by the Thruway/I-87.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: sprjus4 on June 02, 2021, 12:18:26 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 02, 2021, 12:11:44 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 02, 2021, 11:59:54 AM
One could argue that the Sprain Brook Parkway and Taconic State Parkway combined could be one between Albany and New York City.  Though it stops short miles before Albany some may consider I-90 as indirectly serving Albany from the TSP.
Albany and NYC are mainly connected by the Thruway/I-87.
Yes, but for a non-interstate corridor, there you go.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Roadgeekteen on June 02, 2021, 12:23:17 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 02, 2021, 12:18:26 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 02, 2021, 12:11:44 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 02, 2021, 11:59:54 AM
One could argue that the Sprain Brook Parkway and Taconic State Parkway combined could be one between Albany and New York City.  Though it stops short miles before Albany some may consider I-90 as indirectly serving Albany from the TSP.
Albany and NYC are mainly connected by the Thruway/I-87.
Yes, but for a non-interstate corridor, there you go.
It's actually only 8 minutes slower than the Thruway which is pretty good.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on June 02, 2021, 12:39:32 PM
Dallas to Sherman/Denison via U.S. 75.
Title: Re: Two cities connected by a non-interstate freeway/expressway corridor
Post by: Life in Paradise on June 02, 2021, 12:56:42 PM
Although it is not a destination for those from the Windy City, Chicago, IL to Evansville, IN.  US41/IN63/US41 to the Gary area, then slip across the Illinois State line.