Georgia
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51205390189_955fdc92f4_k.jpg)
When span wire signals have the box set up being pulled on a four sides with another cable to the strain pole.
Is this restricted to road features only? If not, all notable city skylines or other landmarks qualify.
This state usually prefers to keep their trucks on residential and commercial streets, but some made it onto the freeway:
(https://imgur.com/lGujfcS.jpg)
Quote from: roadman65 on May 26, 2021, 11:50:30 AM
Georgia
When span wire signals have the box set up being pulled on a four sides with another cable to the strain pole.
Tbh, I have no idea why other states don't do that.
GDOT says that they prefer span wire (as opposed to mast arms) because span wire makes it easier to position a signal in the correct location (per the MUTCD). Which makes sense, because if one wanted to use a mast arm to position those signals in that location, the pole would be closer to the road (and thus less safe) than the existing pole that holds the span wire.
Quote from: ran4sh on May 26, 2021, 11:04:28 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 26, 2021, 11:50:30 AM
Georgia
When span wire signals have the box set up being pulled on a four sides with another cable to the strain pole.
Tbh, I have no idea why other states don't do that.
It's pretty common in Ohio too.
You know you're in North Carolina when you see a sign telling you to "burn headlights" when it's raining.
You probably can guess this state pretty easily. (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7851781,-95.5620567,3a,37.7y,252.79h,90.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYlJwPBCQqI-IeYOOPDA-Fg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) I count at least 6 distinct ways you would know that this is in this state, even without the presence of the others. Anyone care to guess them?
^^ Texas
I know I'm in Montana when the city of Missoula gets stupid busy at peak traffic times every day, and I'm starting to hate the city's major roadways, Broadway in particular. Man, I hate that road.
Quote from: ran4sh on May 26, 2021, 11:04:28 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 26, 2021, 11:50:30 AM
Georgia
When span wire signals have the box set up being pulled on a four sides with another cable to the strain pole.
Tbh, I have no idea why other states don't do that.
I can't even make out what it means.
Minnesota (https://www.google.com/maps/@45.035583,-93.7669349,3a,37.5y,42.14h,103.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1_iiFguyf-gII2sNPXs5Iw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), Minnesota (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.4828631,-93.2918253,3a,15y,41.46h,89.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssXILBqZEaPS0h_0hk0BmrA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Wisconsin (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.390926,-89.4691797,3a,15y,296.14h,88.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqYKHJ8imxOU4mPXedyo__g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Massachusetts: paddle sign
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4281/34934129424_eb3db6f719_k.jpg)
New Hampshire: encouraging drinking and driving
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1051192,-71.4746609,3a,75y,15.68h,88.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sp2MFXT0MlQssSkj3qXdrZQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
You know your in Michigan when the sign says Potholes Ahead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_U-turn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_left
You know you are in California when there is a Freeway entrance sign.
Quote from: CoreySamson on May 27, 2021, 03:04:11 PM
You probably can guess this state pretty easily. (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7851781,-95.5620567,3a,37.7y,252.79h,90.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYlJwPBCQqI-IeYOOPDA-Fg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) I count at least 6 distinct ways you would know that this is in this state, even without the presence of the others. Anyone care to guess them?
- sideways stoplights
- giant-ass star art on the retaining wall and stars on the support pillars of the flyover at right
- U-shaped "goalpost" pole for shields
- T-shaped sign post for the right turn must turn right sign
- "Beltway 8"
What am I missing?
Quote from: bing101 on May 27, 2021, 04:52:06 PM
You know you are in California when there is a Freeway entrance sign.
IIRC Nevada also does Freeway Entrance signs as well.
Things that are more endemic to this state:
- even sign heights and internal exit tabs
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4137/5438262614_e26ffaa5fe.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/9hyw1w)DSC_8824 (https://flic.kr/p/9hyw1w) by Chris Sampang (https://www.flickr.com/photos/csampang/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7371/12601350805_4fd4059e9f.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/kcxdz4)DSC_6950 (https://flic.kr/p/kcxdz4) by Chris Sampang (https://www.flickr.com/photos/csampang/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4102/4753650671_01aa97cbc8.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/8f4GJk)DSC_0066 (https://flic.kr/p/8f4GJk) by Chris Sampang (https://www.flickr.com/photos/csampang/), on Flickr
- cut-out shields for both state routes and US routes
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3768/12601699303_8e37b39c75.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/kcz1aD)DSC_7247 (https://flic.kr/p/kcz1aD) by Chris Sampang (https://www.flickr.com/photos/csampang/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7434/12064179276_737c30c128.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/jo55bY)DSC_6289 (https://flic.kr/p/jo55bY) by Chris Sampang (https://www.flickr.com/photos/csampang/), on Flickr
- old button copy still in use (sometimes with greenout panels)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/5548/12601548895_5eefd9efb9.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/kcyesp)DSC_7220 (https://flic.kr/p/kcyesp) by Chris Sampang (https://www.flickr.com/photos/csampang/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3738/12027612593_70d772f7cd.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/jjQEbV)DSC_6023 (https://flic.kr/p/jjQEbV) by Chris Sampang (https://www.flickr.com/photos/csampang/), on Flickr
- proprietary style of Exit Only signage compared to current MUTCD standards
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7290/12027606003_c1ac6328ee.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/jjQCei)DSC_6025 (https://flic.kr/p/jjQCei) by Chris Sampang (https://www.flickr.com/photos/csampang/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7395/12064183216_f33509215b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/jo56mU)DSC_6291 (https://flic.kr/p/jo56mU) by Chris Sampang (https://www.flickr.com/photos/csampang/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4119/4807691810_59c0074028.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/8jQFh7)DSC_0318 (https://flic.kr/p/8jQFh7) by Chris Sampang (https://www.flickr.com/photos/csampang/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4138/4806154687_b9d8716791.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/8jGNkZ)DSC_0234 (https://flic.kr/p/8jGNkZ) by Chris Sampang (https://www.flickr.com/photos/csampang/), on Flickr
- usage of Junction text
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7197/6968365375_e5d479e5be.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/bBLGfB)DSC_5332 (https://flic.kr/p/bBLGfB) by Chris Sampang (https://www.flickr.com/photos/csampang/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4078/4930896933_a896bed8ba.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/8vJ8Sn)DSC_0095 (https://flic.kr/p/8vJ8Sn) by Chris Sampang (https://www.flickr.com/photos/csampang/), on Flickr
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 27, 2021, 05:04:59 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on May 27, 2021, 03:04:11 PM
You probably can guess this state pretty easily. (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7851781,-95.5620567,3a,37.7y,252.79h,90.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYlJwPBCQqI-IeYOOPDA-Fg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) I count at least 6 distinct ways you would know that this is in this state, even without the presence of the others. Anyone care to guess them?
- sideways stoplights
- giant-ass star art on the retaining wall and stars on the support pillars of the flyover at right
- U-shaped "goalpost" pole for shields
- T-shaped sign post for the right turn must turn right sign
- "Beltway 8"
What am I missing?
The turnaround
South Carolina by the sheer number of directional intersections, and also this thing they do, placing a banner above a shield on a BGS:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.153955,-79.8785504,3a,15y,86.83h,88.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s___eaWENYhD80EXYgzbp3g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.153955,-79.8785504,3a,15y,86.83h,88.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s___eaWENYhD80EXYgzbp3g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
And pretty much everything else SCDOT does. They're such a weird (and horrible) egg of a DOT. The stuff they do either no other DOT really does, or it's more characteristic of the Midwest than the South.
Quote from: TheStranger on May 27, 2021, 05:18:32 PMQuote from: bing101 on May 27, 2021, 04:52:06 PM
You know you are in California when there is a Freeway entrance sign.
IIRC Nevada also does Freeway Entrance signs as well.
I also see it in Uptown Charlotte.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 27, 2021, 04:18:07 PMMinnesota (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.4828631,-93.2918253,3a,15y,41.46h,89.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssXILBqZEaPS0h_0hk0BmrA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Definitely. Called this one before I even clicked on the links. :D
Quote from: index on May 27, 2021, 05:42:09 PM
South Carolina by the sheer number of directional intersections, and also this thing they do, placing a banner above a shield on a BGS:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.153955,-79.8785504,3a,15y,86.83h,88.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s___eaWENYhD80EXYgzbp3g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.153955,-79.8785504,3a,15y,86.83h,88.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s___eaWENYhD80EXYgzbp3g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
And pretty much everything else SCDOT does. They're such a weird (and horrible) egg of a DOT. The stuff they do either no other DOT really does, or it's more characteristic of the Midwest than the South.
Quote from: TheStranger on May 27, 2021, 05:18:32 PMQuote from: bing101 on May 27, 2021, 04:52:06 PM
You know you are in California when there is a Freeway entrance sign.
IIRC Nevada also does Freeway Entrance signs as well.
I also see it in Uptown Charlotte.
Quote from: index on May 27, 2021, 05:42:09 PM
South Carolina by the sheer number of directional intersections, and also this thing they do, placing a banner above a shield on a BGS:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.153955,-79.8785504,3a,15y,86.83h,88.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s___eaWENYhD80EXYgzbp3g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.153955,-79.8785504,3a,15y,86.83h,88.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s___eaWENYhD80EXYgzbp3g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
And pretty much everything else SCDOT does. They're such a weird (and horrible) egg of a DOT. The stuff they do either no other DOT really does, or it's more characteristic of the Midwest than the South.
and the rectangular stop signs.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 27, 2021, 05:04:59 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on May 27, 2021, 03:04:11 PM
You probably can guess this state pretty easily. (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7851781,-95.5620567,3a,37.7y,252.79h,90.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYlJwPBCQqI-IeYOOPDA-Fg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) I count at least 6 distinct ways you would know that this is in this state, even without the presence of the others. Anyone care to guess them?
- sideways stoplights
- giant-ass star art on the retaining wall and stars on the support pillars of the flyover at right
- U-shaped "goalpost" pole for shields
- T-shaped sign post for the right turn must turn right sign
- "Beltway 8"
What am I missing?
Your last three weren't inherently what I had in mind, but they make sense for Texas nonetheless. Here were my other 4:
- The fact that the junction is a giant stack with a volleyball feeder road intersection underneath
- The Texas U-turns
- The excessive clearance signs on the overpasses
- The flood gauge (maybe not exactly a Texas thing, but totally a Houston thing)
Quote from: texaskdog on May 27, 2021, 04:40:12 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_U-turn
I find it interesting that the wikipedia schematic has the Texas U-turn over the freeway. Most (if not all) of them I've seen have it under the freeway.
Quote from: CoreySamson on May 27, 2021, 07:06:06 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 27, 2021, 04:40:12 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_U-turn
I find it interesting that the wikipedia schematic has the Texas U-turn over the freeway. Most (if not all) of them I've seen have it under the freeway.
Over-freeway diagrams for interchanges are easier to show all the notable parts than under, as it's not blocked under by the freeway overpass. Same with the SPUI and DDI diagrams I've seen on Wikipedia.
California is not the only state that makes adjacent BGS' the same height. That's also done in Georgia and in some other states. I would say Georgia does it the right way, with the sign legend determining the height, rather than the California way of having the height max out at 120 inches and then try to fit the legend in that space, often violating MUTCD standards to do so.
On the other hand, North Carolina aligns adjacent BGS' bottom-justified, which makes down arrows on different signs line up. I'm not sure if other states do something similar (usually a state that doesn't make BGS the same height, aligns them center-justified on a gantry).
Quote from: webny99 on May 27, 2021, 05:44:29 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 27, 2021, 04:18:07 PMMinnesota (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.4828631,-93.2918253,3a,15y,41.46h,89.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssXILBqZEaPS0h_0hk0BmrA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Definitely. Called this one before I even clicked on the links. :D
Oh, this too.
https://www.google.com/maps/@46.132179,-92.8876098,3a,30y,135.53h,82.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7lyMJ7aVw0s0_SXMf7F31w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Let's see if you all are thinking of the Great Lakes state I'm thinking of with these hints:
1. Trombone signals with sideways heads!
2. Truss signals with two signal heads; the one at the end gets stabbed into from the side
3. Truss signals with one signal head; the truss attaches at the top of the head (older installs only). Far-left post-mounted signals supplement the overhead ones, and near-right ones often too for some reason
4. Cable-mounted doghouse signals where the protected/permitted left arrows are in a separate row, and the other three 5. sections are in a row just to the right
6. Cable-mounted signals that will be 8 inches all the time and barely noticeable (older installs only). New installs are all 12-inch with backplates with yellow borders (swanky)
7. Cable-mounted signals with left arrows indicated by a backlit "LEFT" sign above, and the red ball flashes to indicate a left turn is permitted after stopping
8. Cable-mounted signals with the electrical wires sticking out like bedhead on top of the ones that carry tension.
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 27, 2021, 04:23:21 PM
You know your in Michigan when the sign says Potholes Ahead.
I was waiting to see how long it would take before someone made this super original quip as if their state is the only one with faulty roads.
Quote from: CoreySamson on May 27, 2021, 07:06:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 27, 2021, 05:04:59 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on May 27, 2021, 03:04:11 PM
You probably can guess this state pretty easily. (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7851781,-95.5620567,3a,37.7y,252.79h,90.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYlJwPBCQqI-IeYOOPDA-Fg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) I count at least 6 distinct ways you would know that this is in this state, even without the presence of the others. Anyone care to guess them?
- sideways stoplights
- giant-ass star art on the retaining wall and stars on the support pillars of the flyover at right
- U-shaped "goalpost" pole for shields
- T-shaped sign post for the right turn must turn right sign
- "Beltway 8"
What am I missing?
Your last three weren't inherently what I had in mind, but they make sense for Texas nonetheless. Here were my other 4:
- The fact that the junction is a giant stack with a volleyball feeder road intersection underneath
- The Texas U-turns
- The excessive clearance signs on the overpasses
- The flood gauge (maybe not exactly a Texas thing, but totally a Houston thing)
Quote from: texaskdog on May 27, 2021, 04:40:12 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_U-turn
I find it interesting that the wikipedia schematic has the Texas U-turn over the freeway. Most (if not all) of them I've seen have it under the freeway.
I've seen a lot of both above and below.
Lots of flood gauges in Austin and west texas too. My first time driving in Texas I was on 170 during a storm and discovered the gauges.
Quote from: CoreySamson on May 27, 2021, 07:06:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 27, 2021, 05:04:59 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on May 27, 2021, 03:04:11 PM
You probably can guess this state pretty easily. (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7851781,-95.5620567,3a,37.7y,252.79h,90.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYlJwPBCQqI-IeYOOPDA-Fg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) I count at least 6 distinct ways you would know that this is in this state, even without the presence of the others. Anyone care to guess them?
- sideways stoplights
- giant-ass star art on the retaining wall and stars on the support pillars of the flyover at right
- U-shaped "goalpost" pole for shields
- T-shaped sign post for the right turn must turn right sign
- "Beltway 8"
What am I missing?
Your last three weren't inherently what I had in mind, but they make sense for Texas nonetheless. Here were my other 4:
- The fact that the junction is a giant stack with a volleyball feeder road intersection underneath
- The Texas U-turns
- The excessive clearance signs on the overpasses
- The flood gauge (maybe not exactly a Texas thing, but totally a Houston thing)
I don't associate flood gauges and excessive clearance signs on overpasses with Texas, since flood gauges are in the MUTCD (and the only place I've seen them in use is actually in Missouri) and excessive clearance signs are an Oklahoma thing too.
Meanwhile, the T-shaped and U-shaped mounting posts on TxDOT signage–even more so if you add the yellow reflective band on the post–can be seen statewide, even in rural parts of the state like the Panhandle. I probably should have picked up on the turnaround lane, but they're common enough in OKC that it doesn't strike me as uniquely Texan as it would most people.
Mileage sign after the junction:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbikeacrossamerica.net%2Ftour%2F29%2Fsouthwest-arkansas1.jpg&hash=0603e14331f082c2579f4f3f04e7a348ba7f2b93)
Mileage sign before the junction:
(https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1727/27628365217_29e94e03f3.jpg)
Two neighboring states that do it different.
Quote from: paulthemapguy on May 27, 2021, 10:31:25 PM
Let's see if you all are thinking of the Great Lakes state I'm thinking of with these hints:
1. Trombone signals with sideways heads!
2. Truss signals with two signal heads; the one at the end gets stabbed into from the side
3. Truss signals with one signal head; the truss attaches at the top of the head (older installs only). Far-left post-mounted signals supplement the overhead ones, and near-right ones often too for some reason
4. Cable-mounted doghouse signals where the protected/permitted left arrows are in a separate row, and the other three 5. sections are in a row just to the right
6. Cable-mounted signals that will be 8 inches all the time and barely noticeable (older installs only). New installs are all 12-inch with backplates with yellow borders (swanky)
7. Cable-mounted signals with left arrows indicated by a backlit "LEFT" sign above, and the red ball flashes to indicate a left turn is permitted after stopping
8. Cable-mounted signals with the electrical wires sticking out like bedhead on top of the ones that carry tension.
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 27, 2021, 04:23:21 PM
You know your in Michigan when the sign says Potholes Ahead.
I was waiting to see how long it would take before someone made this super original quip as if their state is the only one with faulty roads.
Maybe if Michigan was the only state I drive around in then you could say that but Michigan is behind the eight ball on road repair compared to many other states.
Are there other states besides Ohio that display on-ramp BGS on both sides of a side gantry behind a traffic signal for the right turn side like this (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0875984,-82.9861919,3a,60y,60.96h,88.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfBZsvxp0UPtP8KtoWxHJ-A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)?
Quote from: SkyPesos on May 28, 2021, 07:05:53 PM
Are there other states besides Ohio that display on-ramp BGS on both sides of a side gantry behind a traffic signal for the right turn side like this (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0875984,-82.9861919,3a,60y,60.96h,88.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfBZsvxp0UPtP8KtoWxHJ-A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)?
Indiana usually only does that with left-turn equivalents. Only rarely is the right-turn equivalent posted like that. It does happen, though.
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on May 27, 2021, 04:05:28 PM
I know I'm in Montana when the city of Missoula gets stupid busy at peak traffic times every day, and I'm starting to hate the city's major roadways, Broadway in particular. Man, I hate that road.
You knkow you're in Montana
when you're in Missoula. Geez...
What it feels like in this state lately
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210529/50a86cbed48953cc6ee8fd7078389707.jpg)
iPhone
This is how you know you're in VA
Image from GSV
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210529/ad2556b2c6ead6c6cf299a201fc16224.jpg)
moto g(7) optimo (XT1952DL) Quote from: bassoon1986 on May 28, 2021, 09:55:46 PM
What it feels like in this state lately
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210529/50a86cbed48953cc6ee8fd7078389707.jpg)
iPhone
Another obvious Louisiana feature is the "one piece" mast & arm used for the traffic signals there, plus the green housings for the signals themselves.
You know you're in New York when a 55 zone is posted as "STATE SPEED LIMIT 55" and not just "SPEED LIMIT 55".
Quote from: plain on May 28, 2021, 10:03:29 PM
This is how you know you're in VA
Image from GSV
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210529/ad2556b2c6ead6c6cf299a201fc16224.jpg)
moto g(7) optimo (XT1952DL)
Quote from: bassoon1986 on May 28, 2021, 09:55:46 PM
What it feels like in this state lately
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210529/50a86cbed48953cc6ee8fd7078389707.jpg)
iPhone
Another obvious Louisiana feature is the "one piece" mast & arm used for the traffic signals there, plus the green housings for the signals themselves.
If you see horizontal housings with the same one piece you are in Texas.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 27, 2021, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 27, 2021, 05:44:29 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 27, 2021, 04:18:07 PMMinnesota (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.4828631,-93.2918253,3a,15y,41.46h,89.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssXILBqZEaPS0h_0hk0BmrA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Definitely. Called this one before I even clicked on the links. :D
Oh, this too.
https://www.google.com/maps/@46.132179,-92.8876098,3a,30y,135.53h,82.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7lyMJ7aVw0s0_SXMf7F31w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Also Minnesota: Highway signs at traffic light junctions where the highway shield appears on a small green sign, attached to the signal mast arm. Right next to the street name in Series E. Very visible that way.
I really love how Minnesota does signalized intersections along highways. I wish more states were like that.
Sort of obvious one here for each state...
Their State Route shield.
^^ KY/IA/MS circle?
MA/ME/WVCT square?
Here is an interesting Virginia exclusive:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51157963417_b4a5278fa4_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kWDWd2)
20210423_162255 (https://flic.kr/p/2kWDWd2) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr
The few things that Oklahoma DOT gets consistent:
-JCT plates that are the same size as the EAST, SOUTH, etc plates and BUSINESS (et al.) banners
-Square arrow plates about the same size as the shield, no matter the type of arrow
If you were back in the button-copy era:
-S. E. ##TH St.
Quote from: Big John on May 30, 2021, 11:58:59 PM
^^ KY/IA/MS circle?
MA/ME/WVCT square?
Hm. CT squares seem distinct to me.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 31, 2021, 12:04:27 AM
If you were back in the button-copy era:
-S. E. ##TH St.
You mean this (https://goo.gl/maps/safLAi5acGoM9GkY7) wasn't always how that was done?
Quote from: US 89 on May 31, 2021, 12:11:29 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 31, 2021, 12:04:27 AM
If you were back in the button-copy era:
-S. E. ##TH St.
You mean this (https://goo.gl/maps/safLAi5acGoM9GkY7) wasn't always how that was done?
That's a pretty pathetic practice on the part of the OKC road department.
Classic ODOT button copy looked like this. Remember this well, since this era was the last time ODOT signage wasn't total dog shit.
(https://i.imgur.com/jJLv7o8.jpg)
The underline-the-ordinal practice has sometimes been carried over to reflective-sheeting signs too (let's just ignore whatever the hell is going on with that I-40 shield):
(https://i.imgur.com/rVAPSRd.jpg)
With the most recent sign replacements in OKC, numbered streets have been sanitized to the more pedestrian "SE 15th St".
I wish more places would just do what NYC does, post "15 St" on signage, which is understood to mean Fifteenth Street.
In Atlanta, older signs for the 10 St/14 St exit spelled out the number, "Tenth St" "Fourteenth St". About 2 decades ago GDOT changed it to "10th St" etc.
Quote from: ran4sh on May 31, 2021, 01:20:30 AM
I wish more places would just do what NYC does, post "15 St" on signage, which is understood to mean Fifteenth Street.
That's lame. It's not "Fifteen Street", it's "Fifteenth Street", which reduces to numbers as "15th", not "15".
Quote from: ran4sh on May 31, 2021, 01:20:30 AM
In Atlanta, older signs for the 10 St/14 St exit spelled out the number, "Tenth St" "Fourteenth St". About 2 decades ago GDOT changed it to "10th St" etc.
Spelling out the words for ordinals is even worse, because it's harder to recognize at speed ("Fourteenth" and "Fifteenth" look sort of close at a glance, as do "Second" and "Seventh") and it's sort of pretentious–what are you gonna do when you get to the newer parts of the city, write out "One hundred and twenty-second Street"? No, you're going to use digits, so stop playing grammar school games about writing out low numbers and use digits starting at 1st St.
Quote from: ran4sh on May 26, 2021, 11:04:28 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 26, 2021, 11:50:30 AM
Georgia
When span wire signals have the box set up being pulled on a four sides with another cable to the strain pole.
Tbh, I have no idea why other states don't do that.
GDOT says that they prefer span wire (as opposed to mast arms) because span wire makes it easier to position a signal in the correct location (per the MUTCD). Which makes sense, because if one wanted to use a mast arm to position those signals in that location, the pole would be closer to the road (and thus less safe) than the existing pole that holds the span wire.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50436541278_285af12844_o_d.jpg
Most states with span wire use one cable diagonally or a square box between posts.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51172509277_154dfe931d_k.jpg
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 31, 2021, 01:27:32 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on May 31, 2021, 01:20:30 AM
I wish more places would just do what NYC does, post "15 St" on signage, which is understood to mean Fifteenth Street.
That's lame. It's not "Fifteen Street", it's "Fifteenth Street", which reduces to numbers as "15th", not "15".
Quote from: ran4sh on May 31, 2021, 01:20:30 AM
In Atlanta, older signs for the 10 St/14 St exit spelled out the number, "Tenth St" "Fourteenth St". About 2 decades ago GDOT changed it to "10th St" etc.
Spelling out the words for ordinals is even worse, because it's harder to recognize at speed ("Fourteenth" and "Fifteenth" look sort of close at a glance, as do "Second" and "Seventh") and it's sort of pretentious–what are you gonna do when you get to the newer parts of the city, write out "One hundred and twenty-second Street"? No, you're going to use digits, so stop playing grammar school games about writing out low numbers and use digits starting at 1st St.
It's interesting that you oppose the use of words instead of numerals on the basis of it being harder to read at speed, but you don't recognize that the NY way of omitting the "th" is also meant to be easier to read at speed.
Quote from: ran4sh on May 31, 2021, 03:28:53 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 31, 2021, 01:27:32 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on May 31, 2021, 01:20:30 AM
I wish more places would just do what NYC does, post "15 St" on signage, which is understood to mean Fifteenth Street.
That's lame. It's not "Fifteen Street", it's "Fifteenth Street", which reduces to numbers as "15th", not "15".
Quote from: ran4sh on May 31, 2021, 01:20:30 AM
In Atlanta, older signs for the 10 St/14 St exit spelled out the number, "Tenth St" "Fourteenth St". About 2 decades ago GDOT changed it to "10th St" etc.
Spelling out the words for ordinals is even worse, because it's harder to recognize at speed ("Fourteenth" and "Fifteenth" look sort of close at a glance, as do "Second" and "Seventh") and it's sort of pretentious–what are you gonna do when you get to the newer parts of the city, write out "One hundred and twenty-second Street"? No, you're going to use digits, so stop playing grammar school games about writing out low numbers and use digits starting at 1st St.
It's interesting that you oppose the use of words instead of numerals on the basis of it being harder to read at speed, but you don't recognize that the NY way of omitting the "th" is also meant to be easier to read at speed.
Because that's not the same thing.
Our brains work on quick pattern recognition. Reading doesn't happen by you consciously looking at each glyph in a word and piecing them together–your brain recognizes a pattern in the glyphs and says "Oh, hey, this word looks a lot like 'stork' cause it's five letters and it's got an ascender in the second and fifth slots." (Obviously, there's a bit more that goes into it than that, but that's the basic idea.) This tendency in mental processing is why the 2009 MUTCD required lower-case text on destination messages, because the unique shapes of words set in mixed-case text helps speed mental text processing.
The main problem with writing out ordinal numbers is that a lot of English words for numbers are so damn
long. Sure, you can spot the difference between "stork" and "stark" pretty quickly, but how about "Storkanstarkandstorkand" versus "Storkanstorkandstarkand"? At speed, Fourteenth and Fifteenth are a long string of letters starting with "F" and ending with "teenth". "Fxxteenth"–better take a good look closer to figure out what those x's
really are. "Seventh" and "Second" also more or less blend together into "Sexxnxx".
Meanwhile "15th" and "29th" are two digits and two letters, or four characters total. Digits are generally pretty easy to tell apart from one another (although long strings of digits are not, but fortunately it's rare to get a street with more than a three-digit number outside of Utah), and it's such a short expression, so this is extremely easy to parse. "Seventeenth" is 11 characters and "17th" is 4, which means you can eliminate 7 characters that your brain doesn't have to parse.
Meanwhile, going from "17th" to "17" only eliminates two characters, at the expense of making the sign less accurate to spoken language, like you might get from someone saying their address to you or giving you directions. Including the ordinal gives the brain context to
why this number is here, since it is seeing "##th" and going "Oh, this is an ordinal number, which usually only appears as a numbered street or avenue", as opposed to just "##" and thinking "Okay, why is this number here?" and having to actually read the surrounding text to glean the context that this is a numbered street. (Fortunately, the way signs are constructed in the US means that bare cardinal numbers that aren't set off from the main text by way of an exit tab or shield don't appear on guide sign legends much, although there are outliers like "29 Palms" where they do.)
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 31, 2021, 05:44:08 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on May 31, 2021, 03:28:53 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 31, 2021, 01:27:32 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on May 31, 2021, 01:20:30 AM
I wish more places would just do what NYC does, post "15 St" on signage, which is understood to mean Fifteenth Street.
That's lame. It's not "Fifteen Street", it's "Fifteenth Street", which reduces to numbers as "15th", not "15".
Quote from: ran4sh on May 31, 2021, 01:20:30 AM
In Atlanta, older signs for the 10 St/14 St exit spelled out the number, "Tenth St" "Fourteenth St". About 2 decades ago GDOT changed it to "10th St" etc.
Spelling out the words for ordinals is even worse, because it's harder to recognize at speed ("Fourteenth" and "Fifteenth" look sort of close at a glance, as do "Second" and "Seventh") and it's sort of pretentious–what are you gonna do when you get to the newer parts of the city, write out "One hundred and twenty-second Street"? No, you're going to use digits, so stop playing grammar school games about writing out low numbers and use digits starting at 1st St.
It's interesting that you oppose the use of words instead of numerals on the basis of it being harder to read at speed, but you don't recognize that the NY way of omitting the "th" is also meant to be easier to read at speed.
Because that's not the same thing.
Our brains work on quick pattern recognition. Reading doesn't happen by you consciously looking at each glyph in a word and piecing them together–your brain recognizes a pattern in the glyphs and says "Oh, hey, this word looks a lot like 'stork' cause it's five letters and it's got an ascender in the second and fifth slots." (Obviously, there's a bit more that goes into it than that, but that's the basic idea.) This tendency in mental processing is why the 2009 MUTCD required lower-case text on destination messages, because the unique shapes of words set in mixed-case text helps speed mental text processing.
The main problem with writing out ordinal numbers is that a lot of English words for numbers are so damn long. Sure, you can spot the difference between "stork" and "stark" pretty quickly, but how about "Storkanstarkandstorkand" versus "Storkanstorkandstarkand"? At speed, Fourteenth and Fifteenth are a long string of letters starting with "F" and ending with "teenth". "Fxxteenth"–better take a good look closer to figure out what those x's really are. "Seventh" and "Second" also more or less blend together into "Sexxnxx".
Meanwhile "15th" and "29th" are two digits and two letters, or four characters total. Digits are generally pretty easy to tell apart from one another (although long strings of digits are not, but fortunately it's rare to get a street with more than a three-digit number outside of Utah), and it's such a short expression, so this is extremely easy to parse. "Seventeenth" is 11 characters and "17th" is 4, which means you can eliminate 7 characters that your brain doesn't have to parse.
Meanwhile, going from "17th" to "17" only eliminates two characters, at the expense of making the sign less accurate to spoken language, like you might get from someone saying their address to you or giving you directions. Including the ordinal gives the brain context to why this number is here, since it is seeing "##th" and going "Oh, this is an ordinal number, which usually only appears as a numbered street or avenue", as opposed to just "##" and thinking "Okay, why is this number here?" and having to actually read the surrounding text to glean the context that this is a numbered street. (Fortunately, the way signs are constructed in the US means that bare cardinal numbers that aren't set off from the main text by way of an exit tab or shield don't appear on guide sign legends much, although there are outliers like "29 Palms" where they do.)
To be clear, New York signs don't use the number alone. They use the number without the ordinal suffix, but still with the designator such as "Av" or "St".
At no point have I ever been confused about what a BGS in New York is referring to when it reads "233 St" or similar.
And for the street signs themselves there is a benefit to leaving off the suffix, it saves a significant amount of sign material due to the large amount of street names in New York that are numbers. Sure you could say that taking "th" off of one "5 Av" sign has minimal saving, but taking it off of hundreds of such signs is what makes it worth it.
Also in GA, there was a time when Series D without the dotted i's and j's was on every freeway sign, although it's now getting phased out in favor of Series EEM, as the new signs in Atlanta will prove.
Leaving off the dots on the i's (and j's) was an error only found on that specific series of signs (the ones installed 1999-2000). Older and newer signs that were also in the Series D era had the correct font. It just so happened that the 1999-2000 sign replacements were so widespread across the state, in part because the Interstate exit numbers were converted to mileage-based at that time.
Most of Atlanta's BGSes are already upgraded to MUTCD standard. It's mostly the other parts of the state that still have Series D signage.
Quote from: ran4sh on May 31, 2021, 08:26:05 PM
To be clear, New York signs don't use the number alone. They use the number without the ordinal suffix, but still with the designator such as "Av" or "St".
At no point have I ever been confused about what a BGS in New York is referring to when it reads "233 St" or similar.
And for the street signs themselves there is a benefit to leaving off the suffix, it saves a significant amount of sign material due to the large amount of street names in New York that are numbers. Sure you could say that taking "th" off of one "5 Av" sign has minimal saving, but taking it off of hundreds of such signs is what makes it worth it.
I'm sure it does save money, but I don't think that's the primary consideration, since even when extra space is available on the sign (https://goo.gl/maps/mWTD9XZ7F69zBGwG7) (presumably because all those overhead signs are a standard size), NYC doesn't seem to make use of it to add the ordinal.
No option lanes when there is space to restripe the road, many left exits not many left or right turn lanes when there's space to provide it....hooray you're in CT!
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 31, 2021, 12:35:43 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/rVAPSRd.jpg)
Am I the only one who's bothered by both Exit 140 and Exit 125B/D being "SE 15th St"?
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 31, 2021, 01:27:32 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on May 31, 2021, 01:20:30 AM
I wish more places would just do what NYC does, post "15 St" on signage, which is understood to mean Fifteenth Street.
That's lame. It's not "Fifteen Street", it's "Fifteenth Street", which reduces to numbers as "15th", not "15".
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 31, 2021, 05:44:08 PM
Because that's not the same thing ... going from "17th" to "17" only eliminates two characters, at the expense of making the sign less accurate to spoken language, like you might get from someone saying their address to you or giving you directions. Including the ordinal gives the brain context to why this number is here, since it is seeing "##th" and going "Oh, this is an ordinal number, which usually only appears as a numbered street or avenue", as opposed to just "##" and thinking "Okay, why is this number here?" and having to actually read the surrounding text to glean the context that this is a numbered street.
In general, I disagree that leaving off the ordinal would cause any confusion. "13 St" is really easy to read as "13th St"–possibly even easier if the 'th' isn't superscripted in the latter case.
On the other hand, there are some places that use plain numbers for their roads. For example,
this (https://goo.gl/maps/fstNeEXsEDT3sF2CA) is not "105th Rd E". It's "County Road 105 E".
But back on the first hand, I can't think of anywhere that would cause any actual confusion. There's probably somewhere that a 15th Street appears near a 15 Road, because of city versus county numbering, but I'm betting those are quite the exceptions to the rule.
Quote from: kphoger on June 02, 2021, 02:31:53 PM
In general, I disagree that leaving off the ordinal would cause any confusion. "13 St" is really easy to read as "13th St"–possibly even easier if the 'th' isn't superscripted in the latter case.
21 St. looks like part of the ordinal.
From the OP of the original Worst of Road Signs thread:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FsdYzEWN.jpg&hash=e5735a46d65ed5a198ef49b0ba458d5d129ba853)
Quote from: 1 on June 02, 2021, 02:48:29 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 02, 2021, 02:31:53 PM
In general, I disagree that leaving off the ordinal would cause any confusion. "13 St" is really easy to read as "13th St"–possibly even easier if the 'th' isn't superscripted in the latter case.
21 St. looks like part of the ordinal.
And what's wrong with that?
Quote from: kphoger on June 02, 2021, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 02, 2021, 02:48:29 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 02, 2021, 02:31:53 PM
In general, I disagree that leaving off the ordinal would cause any confusion. "13 St" is really easy to read as "13th St"–possibly even easier if the 'th' isn't superscripted in the latter case.
21 St. looks like part of the ordinal.
And what's wrong with that?
Might run into some confusion in cities with both numbered Streets and Avenues. This is not an issue in OKC but in a place like Phoenix I can see wanting that extra clarification.
You mean like New York, which is where this conversation started?
https://goo.gl/maps/qBR1vZVorwWzyobEA
Quote from: kphoger on June 02, 2021, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 31, 2021, 12:35:43 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/rVAPSRd.jpg)
Am I the only one who's bothered by both Exit 140 and Exit 125B/D being "SE 15th St"?
This confused the hell out of me when I was a young enough kid, because 125B was our "home exit". We went up to Edmond for something and were on the way back and I was sure we'd missed our exit, so I spoke up, and my parents had to assure me it was a
different SE 15th Street.
Though I'm really not sure what you could do here that wouldn't run afoul of the MUTCD recommendation of not mixing city names and street names. Maybe it would be worth it to ignore that and just sign "SE 15th St/Del City" and "SE 15th St/Edmond" (although in the latter case, "Edmond" already applies due to a "Next # Exits" sign, so it'd technically be redundant).
This is actually the second instance of two exits on I-35 in Oklahoma carrying the same legend. In Murray County, there's two exits for "US-77/Turner Falls Area".
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 03, 2021, 11:02:58 AM
In Murray County, there's two exits for "US-77/Turner Falls Area".
Just noticed that one yesterday, and I think it's worse.
Quote from: kphoger on June 03, 2021, 09:13:19 AM
You mean like New York, which is where this conversation started?
https://goo.gl/maps/qBR1vZVorwWzyobEA
the nexus of the universe.
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 03, 2021, 11:02:58 AM
Quote from: kphoger on June 02, 2021, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 31, 2021, 12:35:43 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/rVAPSRd.jpg)
Am I the only one who's bothered by both Exit 140 and Exit 125B/D being "SE 15th St"?
This confused the hell out of me when I was a young enough kid, because 125B was our "home exit". We went up to Edmond for something and were on the way back and I was sure we'd missed our exit, so I spoke up, and my parents had to assure me it was a different SE 15th Street.
Though I'm really not sure what you could do here that wouldn't run afoul of the MUTCD recommendation of not mixing city names and street names. Maybe it would be worth it to ignore that and just sign "SE 15th St/Del City" and "SE 15th St/Edmond" (although in the latter case, "Edmond" already applies due to a "Next # Exits" sign, so it'd technically be redundant).
I-15 has interchanges with five Main Streets and two Center Streets in Utah County alone. The solution they use on signs there is to put the city name immediately before the street name (i.e. "Lehi Main St", "Provo Center St"). I don't think that's really a violation of the MUTCD guidance, as the city name in this case isn't really a control point - it's more just a distinguishing factor to identify exactly which one you're talking about. That phrasing is how most locals would identify those streets in conversation.
Derailed
I feel like North Carolina is the only state that signs highways like this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5891046,-80.9777135,3a,28.5y,168.37h,86.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soJ1bJgOOwPjJFxB11cxRCw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) on street blades. Putting the HWY at the end makes it read like "East NC 150 Highway" which just sounds wrong.
Quote from: index on May 27, 2021, 05:42:09 PM
South Carolina by the sheer number of directional intersections, and also this thing they do, placing a banner above a shield on a BGS:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.153955,-79.8785504,3a,15y,86.83h,88.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s___eaWENYhD80EXYgzbp3g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.153955,-79.8785504,3a,15y,86.83h,88.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s___eaWENYhD80EXYgzbp3g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
And pretty much everything else SCDOT does. They're such a weird (and horrible) egg of a DOT. The stuff they do either no other DOT really does, or it's more characteristic of the Midwest than the South.
South Carolina really is an anomaly when it comes to road design and sign style. Its a stark contrast from North Carolina who more-or-less follows the MUTCD and makes a point to have 90-degree intersections. I have driven around both states extensively, and its a night/day difference in road and signage quality.
In SC its always fun to see an intersection that obviously used to be directional, but has been updated probably because of safety issues. Like this one (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.1433737,-80.3522828,936m/data=!3m1!1e3) at the JCT of US 78 and 178, which has actually been upgraded since the last time I drove through there in 2019
Quote from: fillup420 on June 04, 2021, 06:52:08 PM
I feel like North Carolina is the only state that signs highways like this (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5891046,-80.9777135,3a,28.5y,168.37h,86.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soJ1bJgOOwPjJFxB11cxRCw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) on street blades. Putting the HWY at the end makes it read like "East NC 150 Highway" which just sounds wrong.
That's how highways are commonly referred to in the Missouri Ozarks. Around Branson, for example, you can hear people refer to "76 Highway" or "BB Highway" or "65 Highway".
Quote from: ran4sh on May 27, 2021, 07:43:03 PM
On the other hand, North Carolina aligns adjacent BGS' bottom-justified, which makes down arrows on different signs line up. I'm not sure if other states do something similar (usually a state that doesn't make BGS the same height, aligns them center-justified on a gantry).
Michigan does this, although as narrow trichord (triangular) gantries are being used more often I'm seeing more instances of signs center-aligned on the structure, which I think looks sloppy.
Quote from: index on May 27, 2021, 05:42:09 PM
South Carolina by the sheer number of directional intersections, and also this thing they do, placing a banner above a shield on a BGS:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.153955,-79.8785504,3a,15y,86.83h,88.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s___eaWENYhD80EXYgzbp3g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.153955,-79.8785504,3a,15y,86.83h,88.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s___eaWENYhD80EXYgzbp3g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Michigan does that with construction signs.
(https://i.imgur.com/enZVFXd.jpg)
You know you're in Washington when you see Bott's dots and a small yellow curb instead of a double yellow line
Example (https://www.google.com/maps/@48.7847845,-122.4862004,3a,45.1y,35.61h,84.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN0lN8SaeWShFqeLq9D1I5g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
colorado: land of stoners and snowboarders.... and where you'll likely see a $3000 bike strapped to the top of a $600 car.
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on June 19, 2021, 10:36:53 AM
colorado: land of stoners and snowboarders.... and where you'll likely see a $3000 bike strapped to the top of a $600 car.
I mean, props to anyone that has figured out how to prioritize so they can spend their money on what's important to them.
You know you're in New Jersey when you see 500-600s county routes everywhere.
(Exceptions include Hudson, Monmouth, and Bergen counties)
Looking at the discussion further up the page about whether to omit the ordinal designator, I'm wondering whether the people who purport to find "15 St" or "2 Av" confusing also find it confusing to see today's date written as June 28, 2021, because there's no ordinal designator to clarify what "28" means.
Quote from: CoreySamson on May 27, 2021, 03:04:11 PM
You probably can guess this state pretty easily. (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.7851781,-95.5620567,3a,37.7y,252.79h,90.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYlJwPBCQqI-IeYOOPDA-Fg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) I count at least 6 distinct ways you would know that this is in this state, even without the presence of the others. Anyone care to guess them?
Texas U-turn, obsessive clearance signage, big/bold stack interchange, style of traffic signal, frontage roads, Lone Star decorations on the ramps.
You know you're in West Virginia when they start breaking out the fractions (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.9227024,-81.159742,3a,20y,71.14h,89.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stqbKX_bXrBYZ4BOfllHGRw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656/) on the secondary highway shields.
Oh, and also this (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.9222872,-81.1602035,3a,15y,65.91h,86.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3qXYOaMf7t4o5tNf9nhx4g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656/).
You know you are in TN when you see the direction arrows pointing inward toward each other in lieu of outward. You know you are in TN when you see myriad of directional suffix highways.
You know you are in TN when you see a doublewide across the street from a million dollar barn and a multi-million dollar home.
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 27, 2021, 08:24:09 AM
You know you're in North Carolina when you see a sign telling you to "burn headlights" when it's raining.
Also, this:
Image from GSV
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210628/5f45131570d209158d4379ed80d33d22.jpg)
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