I was just thinking about various highways that have long multiplexed sections, such as the following:
- US 1 and US 9 in New Jersey
- US 20 and NY 5 in the Finger Lakes region of New York State
- I-90 and I-94 in Wisconsin
- I-20 and I-59 in Alabama
- I-40 and I-85 in North Carolina
- I-64 and I-77 in West Virginia
- I-80 and I-90 in Indiana and western Ohio
- US 84 and US 285 in New Mexico
I would like to figure out: how do local residents of the areas where these "two-in-one" highways are located tend to refer to such roads? Do they always say both numbers, or is there a preference for one number or the other? Or is the most common reference another thing entirely, such as a name?
I-39/90/94 is just called "the Interstate" by people around here.
US-12 and 14, 18, and 151 in segments is called "the Beltline".
I-39/US-51 between Portage and Wausau is actually mostly referred to as 51, since the I-39 designation is relatively new. I always refer to it as I-39 first, and only bring up US-51 if somebody gets confused.
The short WI-19/113 concurrency in Waunakee is referred to as 19.
US-18/151 between Madison and Dodgeville is generally referred to as 151, presumably because of the two US-151 is the much more important route in Wisconsin, though US-18 is longer in total.
Can't speak too much on Milwaukee, but I believe that US-45 and I-894 split the majority of the naming rights for the Zoo Freeway.
I don't know about today. I lived in Madison in the late 70's. We'd refer to the I-90/94 multiplex depending on destination. If going to the Dells, it was "ninety ninety-four." When going to LaCrosse, we'd just say I-90. When going to Eau Claire or the Twin Cities, we'd just use I-94. Who knows what is used today, especially with I-39 added to the mix.
Sconsi has a limit on total miles of state maintained highways which is why it has long multiplexes like WI 32/57 between DePere and Kiel. WI 32 may be the most multiplexed highway in the state with concurrencies of US 45, WI 55, US 8, WI 64, WI 22, WI 29, I-41, WI 57, US 151, and I-43.
Quote from: skluth on June 30, 2021, 08:01:10 PM
I don't know about today. I lived in Madison in the late 70's. We'd refer to the I-90/94 multiplex depending on destination. If going to the Dells, it was "ninety ninety-four." When going to LaCrosse, we'd just say I-90. When going to Eau Claire or the Twin Cities, we'd just use I-94. Who knows what is used today, especially with I-39 added to the mix.
Sconsi has a limit on total miles of state maintained highways which is why it has long multiplexes like WI 32/57 between DePere and Kiel. WI 32 may be the most multiplexed highway in the state with concurrencies of US 45, WI 55, US 8, WI 64, WI 22, WI 29, I-41, WI 57, US 151, and I-43.
I stand by my claim that WI-32 would be one of the most agonizing state routes to clinch in the nation. At least 8 hours of driving, a large chunk of which is stop-and-go city driving in Green Bay, Milwaukee, Racine, and Kenosha. Then you finally get to the IL or MI border thinking you've clinched it, only to realize you made a wrong turn at one of the three dozen street changes on the route.
Idk about the residents themselves, but the Alabama DOT seems to treat the I-20/59 overlap as I-59. The 3di to Tuscaloosa is x59 rather than x20, and on the official state map which features "straight line" type maps of the Interstates with ramp configuration diagrams for each interchange, I-59 gets one continuous map while I-20 gets a "see I-59" when reaching their merge point.
I will often hear the I-71/I-75 concurrency in Kentucky referred to as "71-75" on WKRC traffic reports.
US 23 gets precedent over its ride-alongs in its concurrencies with US 119 and US 460. However, the long US 68/KY 80 concurrency in south-central/southwestern Kentucky is often referred to as "68-80."
US 11 and US 15 in my area is usually referred to as "11-15". US 22 and US 322 are referred to as "22-322" or at times even the River Relief Route.
Of course, I have never heard anyone in District 5 refer to I-78 as "78-22" unsurprisingly.
I-80/90 in Indiana is known as the Indiana Toll Road. Nobody calls it by its numbers.
The ones in Louisiana tend to be called by the original route or the through route. US 79/US 80 tends to be called just Highway 80. 79 is the one that tends to hop on and off of the East-west route.
In north central Louisiana, there is no acknowledgment of US 63. Just Highway 167
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I-64/US 40 in St Louis is "Highway Farty" as the US 40 designation predates the I-64 designation
When I first saw the "US 1-9" sign, I thought it meant a concurrency between US 1, US 2, US 3, US 4, US 5, US 6, US 7, US 8 and US 9 :-D
MN:
I-94/694 - both if referring to that segment, or just 94 if referring to the greater part of the route
MN 1/169 on the iron Range: Highway 169
US 10/61: Highway 61
US 15/501 in north carolina is signed as such along most of its 100 mile duplex
so is NC 24/27. Also a ~100 mile duplex
and to top it off, US 15/501 and NC 24/27 share a ~10 mile concurrency somewhere in the central part of NC
Quote from: KCRoadFan on June 30, 2021, 06:53:49 PM
US 1 and US 9 in New Jersey
It's generally spoken: 1n9
I-494/MN-5 is just "494"
I wonder how long people still called I-394 "Highway 12" after it became an Interstate.
Although not officially a multiplex, Hennepin-25 is still locally called "Highway 7"...even the street signs call it "HWY 7".
The Route 2/4 duplex in Calvert County is "two-four", but US 50 and I-595 and/or US 301 is just "Route 50" since that's the one constant route on the corridor (and I-595 is unsigned anyway).
90/94 in Chicago is referred to as either the Dan Ryan or the Kennedy depending on the side of town.
In my grandmother's home town of Princeton WI, Wis 23/73 was always referred to as 23 for the 5 miles of cosigning.
The US 67/US 167 freeway in North Little Rock is locally known as "67-167", at least for now.
When I was a kid, US-29 and US-211 ran concurrently from Warrenton into DC and were often referred to as "29/211," but you seldom hear that now because 211 was truncated to Warrenton some 40 years ago.
The eastern side of the Beltway is signed as I-95 and I-495, but in my observation most people simply call it the Beltway, some people refer to it as I-95 (in no small part because for many years it was signed only as I-495), and some people refer to it as I-495. I can't say I've ever heard anyone refer to it with both numbers other than when specifically mentioning that both numbers are posted on signs.
Quote from: ilpt4u on June 30, 2021, 09:33:56 PM
I-64/US 40 in St Louis is "Highway Farty" as the US 40 designation predates the I-64 designation
Sounds like that's a gas to drive.
US 20 and NY 5 is called "Routes 5 and 20" at least in the Rochester area.
US 5/CT 15 is referred to as The Berlin Turnpike for its 4 lane divided section, and Route 15 for its limited access section.
Any route in New York or New England that is multiplexed with US 202 is referred to by the other route number.
Let's see... Utah doesn't have a whole lot of concurrencies, and in the majority of cases one route has a definite priority. It goes without saying that any interstate/US concurrency is only known by its interstate designation.
Both the I-15/80 and I-15/84 concurrencies are just referred to as I-15. In fact a lot of people probably don't realize either 80 or 84 - especially 80 - even overlap 15 to begin with.
The only US concurrencies known by both numbers are US 6/50 in the west desert and US 89/91 from Brigham City to Logan. Maybe also 6/89, but in my experience that's just US 6 to most people. US 40/189 and 40/191 are both just US 40. US 6/191 is just US 6. US 50/89 is either too short to matter or is just "State Street" after the street it follows in Salina.
Michigan only has a few concurrencies, and most of them are short.
The longest, I-75 and US-23 is usually referred to as I-75. Our flint user from Saginaw can confirm.
The other long one was I-69 and US-27, which is now gone. I didn't get in that area a lot, but I think it was usually referred to only as I-69.
US-2 and US-41 are concurrent around Escanaba, and I'm not sure how they are locally referred to. Same with the longer US-41 and M-28 concurrency west of Marquette. (Both are signed together.)
When state routes join an Interstate or US freeway, they are usually well-signed. For example, M-55 is concurrent with I-75 in the middle of the state, about 10-12 miles as I recollect. Both are signed.
EDIT: I forgot - I-96 and I-275 in the Detroit metro area is known almost exclusively as 275.
US 17 & 92 in Central Florida except the 20 mile overlap with US 441 where it's called out by locals as four forty-one.
US 19 & 98 in Florida is very long, but I think it's US 19 or Highway 19. From Chiefland to Perry US 27 ALT joins for 68 miles of it and is still referred by US 19.
US 441 and SR 7 in Palm Beach and Broward is referred to as State Road 7. It goes from Golden Glades to Royal Palm Beach even though it's also in Miami-Dade too, but locals I believe call it out by street name between Golden Glades and US 41 (the two routes terminus).
When I-75 and US-23 are running concurrent between near Standish and Flint you wouldn't know you were on US-23 at all other than the signs. I have never heard anyone call it 75 and 23 or 75/23 I have always heard I-75 and that is it and it makes sense because I-75 is the through route and uses it's exit numbers so I-75 dominates US-23 even when it's running concurrent with it.
I know from when I used to visit Houston a lot for work, that the multiplex of I-10/US 90 was generally referred to as the Katy Freeway. (90 is invisible through most of this)
Quote from: thspfc on June 30, 2021, 08:06:39 PM
Quote from: skluth on June 30, 2021, 08:01:10 PM
I don't know about today. I lived in Madison in the late 70's. We'd refer to the I-90/94 multiplex depending on destination. If going to the Dells, it was "ninety ninety-four." When going to LaCrosse, we'd just say I-90. When going to Eau Claire or the Twin Cities, we'd just use I-94. Who knows what is used today, especially with I-39 added to the mix.
Sconsi has a limit on total miles of state maintained highways which is why it has long multiplexes like WI 32/57 between DePere and Kiel. WI 32 may be the most multiplexed highway in the state with concurrencies of US 45, WI 55, US 8, WI 64, WI 22, WI 29, I-41, WI 57, US 151, and I-43.
I stand by my claim that WI-32 would be one of the most agonizing state routes to clinch in the nation. At least 8 hours of driving, a large chunk of which is stop-and-go city driving in Green Bay, Milwaukee, Racine, and Kenosha. Then you finally get to the IL or MI border thinking you've clinched it, only to realize you made a wrong turn at one of the three dozen street changes on the route.
I just clinched it last week by taking it from Pulaski to the Three Lakes area. I hadn't been on many of the "stand alone" segments. Only the duplexed ones.
Anyway, I-894 in the Milwaukee area is known as I-894 despite the duplexes with I-41 and I-43.
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Quote from: thspfc on June 30, 2021, 08:06:39 PM
Quote from: skluth on June 30, 2021, 08:01:10 PM
I don't know about today. I lived in Madison in the late 70's. We'd refer to the I-90/94 multiplex depending on destination. If going to the Dells, it was "ninety ninety-four." When going to LaCrosse, we'd just say I-90. When going to Eau Claire or the Twin Cities, we'd just use I-94. Who knows what is used today, especially with I-39 added to the mix.
Sconsi has a limit on total miles of state maintained highways which is why it has long multiplexes like WI 32/57 between DePere and Kiel. WI 32 may be the most multiplexed highway in the state with concurrencies of US 45, WI 55, US 8, WI 64, WI 22, WI 29, I-41, WI 57, US 151, and I-43.
I stand by my claim that WI-32 would be one of the most agonizing state routes to clinch in the nation. At least 8 hours of driving, a large chunk of which is stop-and-go city driving in Green Bay, Milwaukee, Racine, and Kenosha. Then you finally get to the IL or MI border thinking you've clinched it, only to realize you made a wrong turn at one of the three dozen street changes on the route.
I just clinched it last week by taking it from Pulaski to the Three Lakes area. I hadn't been on many of the "stand alone" segments. Only the duplexed ones.
Anyway, I-894 in the Milwaukee area is known as I-894 despite the duplexes with I-41 and I-43.
Yep! I remember that when I grew up in SE Wisconsin. Even once 43 was routed along there when it was extended to Beloit, that part still remained 894.
Quote from: fillup420 on June 30, 2021, 10:53:42 PM
US 15/501 in north carolina is signed as such along most of its 100 mile duplex
And they call it "fifteen-five-oh-one".
The predominant amount of people (including traffic reporters) call the US 81-US 287 overlap from north Fort Worth to Bowie, as 287. US 81 might as well not exist south of Bowie.
As for the US 87-US 287 overlap between Amarillo and Dumas, it seems to be a mixed bag. IIRR, "287" seems to edge out any of the other ways in which it could be referred.
The ads for Choctaw Casino south of Durant only refer to the US 69-US 75 overlap in front of their complex as "Hwy. 75".
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As for the US 87-US 287 overlap between Amarillo and Dumas, it seems to be a mixed bag. IIRR, "287" seems to edge out any of the other ways in which it could be referred.
That would make sense since 287 continues straight through Dumas and maintains its four-lane all the way up to Stratford, while 87 west to Hartley is 2 or 3 lanes most of the way. The concurrency is even signed "HWY 287" (https://goo.gl/maps/6Z7U2RTECY5JQjBdA) on street signs.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on June 30, 2021, 10:11:09 PM
MN:
I-94/694 - both if referring to that segment, or just 94 if referring to the greater part of the route
I have never heard anybody refer to it using both numbers. It's just 694, unless you are continuing on 94 at either end, in which case it's probably 94.
Quote from: KCRoadFan on June 30, 2021, 06:53:49 PM
- US 1 and US 9 in New Jersey
Either "One 'N Nine" like
jeffandnicole said, or "One Nine"
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- I-64 and I-77 in West Virginia
"Seven-deh-seven" or just "The Turnpike"
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- I-80 and I-90 in Indiana and western Ohio
"Eighty Ninety"
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Quote from: fillup420 on June 30, 2021, 10:53:42 PM
US 15/501 in north carolina is signed as such along most of its 100 mile duplex
And they call it "fifteen-five-oh-one".
You beat me to it :-D
Quote from: plain on July 01, 2021, 01:06:14 PM
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- I-80 and I-90 in Indiana and western Ohio
"Eighty Ninety"
I rarely hear I-80/90 called with both numbers, or even with numbers at all. It's either Indiana Toll Rd in Indiana or Ohio Turnpike (or just Turnpike) in Ohio.
I'm curious as to what locals call the section of freeway north of Asheville that carries four US routes (19, 23, 25, and 70) along with Future I-26.
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Quote from: plain on July 01, 2021, 01:06:14 PM
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- I-80 and I-90 in Indiana and western Ohio
"Eighty Ninety"
I rarely hear :banghead: I-80/90 called with both numbers, or even with numbers at all. It's either Indiana Toll Rd in Indiana or Ohio Turnpike (or just Turnpike) in Ohio.
I've heard truck/delivery drivers call it that in the Toledo area (also just Turnpike)
Quote from: KCRoadFan on June 30, 2021, 06:53:49 PM
- I-64 and I-77 in West Virginia
Quote from: plain on July 01, 2021, 01:06:14 PM
"Seven-deh-seven" or just "The Turnpike"
Except for the section through Charleston. Back when I romped those parts, that was called either "I-64 through the back side of Charleston" or "I-64 behind the Capitol" with no reference to I-77 whatsoever. Some of the older folks still called it "the road through the Triangle District". Yet in those days, I-64 wasn't truly multiplexed down the Turnpike until the completion of the Sam Black Church extension in 1988.
I haven't heard a radio traffic report in Charleston in years. Wonder how they refer to that section now?
Quote from: hbelkins on June 30, 2021, 08:26:05 PM
I will often hear the I-71/I-75 concurrency in Kentucky referred to as "71-75" on WKRC traffic reports.
Most traffic reporters in the Cincinnati area are pretty good about calling it 71/75, but most of the general public usually just calls it 75.
Other concurrencies in our area:
I-74/US-52 - people refer to it simply as 74 (sometimes including ODOT - they don't always bother to include US-52 in the signage).
Another long concurrency in our area is US-22/OH-3. Most people just call it by its various names, i.e., Gilbert Avenue, Montgomery Rd, 3-C Highway.
In Indianapolis, 465/74/31/36/52/37/67/421 is just referred to as 465.
Quote from: skluth on June 30, 2021, 08:01:10 PM
Who knows what is used today, especially with I-39 added to the mix.
In southern WI, it is most commonly referred to as I-39 today.
Quote from: ran4sh on June 30, 2021, 08:22:01 PM
Idk about the residents themselves, but the Alabama DOT seems to treat the I-20/59 overlap as I-59. The 3di to Tuscaloosa is x59 rather than x20, and on the official state map which features "straight line" type maps of the Interstates with ramp configuration diagrams for each interchange, I-59 gets one continuous map while I-20 gets a "see I-59" when reaching their merge point.
It's generally called "fifty-nine twenty".
For Massachusetts...
I-95/MA 128, still called 128 generally by people
I-93/Not MA 128 anymore, still called 128 by the media, but not as much by people as the 95/128 stretch
MA 4/MA 225, called by both numbers
US 5/MA 10, a mix of both or just 5
As stated above, any overlap with US 202 is called by whatever the other route is (MA 2, MA 10)
New Hampshire has the lengthy US 202/NH 9 multiplex, joined with US 4 for a long stretch as well. I've generally heard the 202/9 stretch called as 9, and the 4/202/9 stretch called as 4. Guess 202 gets the same treatment in NH as well. That should say something about its importance.
US 6 and US 34 in Nebraska is called 6-34, at least by my brother and sister-in-law.
I-69/US 59 in Houston is locally referred to as "59". You're hard-pressed to find anyone outside of outsiders, news media, and roadgeeks actually refer to it as "I-69"
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Quote from: plain on July 01, 2021, 01:06:14 PM
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- I-80 and I-90 in Indiana and western Ohio
"Eighty Ninety"
I rarely hear I-80/90 called with both numbers, or even with numbers at all. It's either Indiana Toll Rd in Indiana or Ohio Turnpike (or just Turnpike) in Ohio.
I never hear it called 80/90. Like you said either Indiana Toll Road or Ohio Turnpike. Once 80 gets to the Borman though I've heard people call that 80/94.
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Quote from: plain on July 01, 2021, 01:06:14 PM
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- I-80 and I-90 in Indiana and western Ohio
"Eighty Ninety"
I rarely hear I-80/90 called with both numbers, or even with numbers at all. It's either Indiana Toll Rd in Indiana or Ohio Turnpike (or just Turnpike) in Ohio.
I never hear it called 80/90. Like you said either Indiana Toll Road or Ohio Turnpike. Once 80 gets to the Borman though I've heard people call that 80/94.
I would say about 50% call it the Borman, 40% 80/94, and 10% just 80.
75-85 in Atlanta, or the Downtown Connector. Actually, the Downtown Connector is only north of I-20, but very few people realize that.
Quote from: Tom958 on July 01, 2021, 09:44:21 PM
Actually, the Downtown Connector is only north of I-20, but very few people realize that.
Seems like the Wikipedia article on it is incorrect too then:
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In Downtown Atlanta, the Downtown Connector or 75/85 (pronounced "seventy-five eighty-five") is the concurrent section of Interstate 75 and Interstate 85 through the core of the city. Beginning at the I-85/Langford Parkway interchange, the Downtown Connector runs generally due north, meeting the west—east I-20 in the middle. Just north of this is the Grady Curve around Grady Memorial Hospital. Continuing north, the terminus of the Downtown Connector is the Brookwood Interchange or Brookwood Split in the Brookwood area of the city. The overall length of the Downtown Connector is approximately 7.5 miles (12 km).
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 01, 2021, 10:04:17 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on July 01, 2021, 09:44:21 PM
Actually, the Downtown Connector is only north of I-20, but very few people realize that.
Seems like the Wikipedia article on it is incorrect too then:
Wiki is wrong about lots of stuff, and then the out-of-area people who wrote the incorrect information get all butthurt when someone local fixes it.
Quote from: Tom958 on July 01, 2021, 09:44:21 PM
Actually, the Downtown Connector is only north of I-20, but very few people realize that.
Including me - and I've lived there for almost 3 years now.
Georgia is also notable in that some of their US/state overlaps (which occur on every US highway) are known by their
state designation. US 19/GA 400 and US 23/GA 365 are among those.
The US concurrencies through Atlanta, in my experience, are never referred to by route number and instead just go by whatever street name they're routed on.
Quote from: hbelkins on June 30, 2021, 08:26:05 PM
I will often hear the I-71/I-75 concurrency in Kentucky referred to as "71-75" on WKRC traffic reports.
US 23 gets precedent over its ride-alongs in its concurrencies with US 119 and US 460. However, the long US 68/KY 80 concurrency in south-central/southwestern Kentucky is often referred to as "68-80."
Around Prestonsburg, US 23/US 460 is known as the Four Lane. Some people call 80 from Allen west to Hazard "New 80" still.
On another tangent, my relatives still say "Now that 64 is finished, you can get to X faster" or some variant. It's been finished for decades, and yet they still treat it as if it brought world peace.
Quote from: frankenroad on July 01, 2021, 03:16:21 PM
Another long concurrency in our area is US-22/OH-3. Most people just call it by its various names, i.e., Gilbert Avenue, Montgomery Rd, 3-C Highway.
Though less common than "Montgomery Rd", I hear it called "twenty-two three" sometimes as well. "3C highway" is rare in my experience.
Quote from: OCGuy81 on July 01, 2021, 11:09:52 AM
I know from when I used to visit Houston a lot for work, that the multiplex of I-10/US 90 was generally referred to as the Katy Freeway. (90 is invisible through most of this)
Yeah. We usually use the names here for many of them, but some we use the numbers. There aren't many multiplexed routes here actually, oddly enough. The main one is US 90 being multiplexed with IH 10 from the east loop all the way to Katy. But most people don't even realize they're multiplexed because there are no signs for US 90, so everyone just calls it I 10.
Tre other poster who mentioned that we all still call IH 69/US 59 "59," yeah that's absolutely true. I'm a road geek and I still call it 59
What I really wonder is what do people in Beaumont call US 69/US 96/US 287
I grew up in North Carolina around the US 15 - US 501 multiplex. We always called it "Fifteen five oh one."
I occasionally heard the I-40 - I-85 multiplex called "forty eighty five", but hardly ever; it's usually called by one or the other route name.
I-580 and I-80 in the Bay Area is called Eastshore Freeway or simply Highway 80 from Berkeley to Oakland.
Quote from: Dirt Roads on July 01, 2021, 02:50:59 PM
I haven't heard a radio traffic report in Charleston in years. Wonder how they refer to that section now?
Charleston traffic dictionary:
I-64/77 from the merger of 64 and 77 to the Turnpike. "I-64 in downtown/by the Capitol/past the Capitol"
I-64/77 past that. "The Turnpike" .
The junction of I-64 and I-77. "64 - 77 Split." (No matter the direction).
The exit where I-79 begins/ends from I-77. "77 - 79 Split" . (No matter the direction.)
Former US 21. "Sissonville Drive" .
I-77 North of I-64. "I-77" . (No directional needed as I-77 south of that point is covered above)
US 119 South/west of I-64. "Corridor G." Also used as a place name for the multiple strip malls located there, with anything past said malls being "out Corridor G" .
WV 817 from St. Albans to Winfield. "Old Route 35."
Junction of US 35 and I-64 (which opened in 2007) "The new exit."
Anything on the south side of I-64 at the Cross Lanes exit (legally in Nitro). "Dog Track Hill"
US 60 South of the Belle exit. "Route 60" . No direction needed because:
US 60 in any other part of the region. By its street name, never by number.
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Quote from: hbelkins on June 30, 2021, 08:26:05 PM
I will often hear the I-71/I-75 concurrency in Kentucky referred to as "71-75" on WKRC traffic reports.
US 23 gets precedent over its ride-alongs in its concurrencies with US 119 and US 460. However, the long US 68/KY 80 concurrency in south-central/southwestern Kentucky is often referred to as "68-80."
Around Prestonsburg, US 23/US 460 is known as the Four Lane. Some people call 80 from Allen west to Hazard "New 80" still.
In Perry County, they say "new 80" in reference to the four-lane to distinguish it from "old 80," which is the two-lane section from KY 15 west to the Leslie County line.
In my county, KY 11 north has been complete since 1981 and 1989 respectively, and it's still known as "the new road."
I generally use route numbers to refer to all roads, even in a concurrency.
Quote from: HighwayStar on July 02, 2021, 03:19:46 PM
I generally use route numbers to refer to all roads, even in a concurrency.
All route numbers in a concurrency, or just the dominant one if there is one?
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 02, 2021, 03:27:46 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on July 02, 2021, 03:19:46 PM
I generally use route numbers to refer to all roads, even in a concurrency.
All route numbers in a concurrency, or just the dominant one if there is one?
Depends on the context, but usually just the one in question. So if giving directions I will refer to the road as US 1 if that is the route that should be followed. If referring to the route itself for whatever reason I will often pick a random one.
US 54/400 is a long concurrency in Kansas, and most people call it "Kellogg" in Wichita, because it's officially signed as Kellogg Avenue (and occasionally unofficially called the Kellogg Freeway, not just by me), but it actually has different street names in Greensburg, Pratt, Kingman, and Augusta. So, I'm honestly wondering, do people refer to it as "Kellogg" when it's outside of Wichita, Andover, and Goddard, do they call it US 54 (or "Highway 54"), or do they call it by the other street names?
Quote from: Evan_Th on July 02, 2021, 12:21:49 PM
I grew up in North Carolina around the US 15 - US 501 multiplex. We always called it "Fifteen five oh one."
I occasionally heard the I-40 - I-85 multiplex called "forty eighty five", but hardly ever; it's usually called by one or the other route name.
As a former resident of Durham, I concur in all of that. We always called the latter portion I-85, probably because I-85 more directly serves Durham and Duke University (the latter being the reason we were all there in the first place). If someone gave you directions to the Greensboro Coliseum, the directions involved taking I-85 South to Greensboro, then exiting onto I-40 towards Winston-Salem and following the Coliseum signs.
Quote from: HighwayStar on July 02, 2021, 04:08:56 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 02, 2021, 03:27:46 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on July 02, 2021, 03:19:46 PM
I generally use route numbers to refer to all roads, even in a concurrency.
All route numbers in a concurrency, or just the dominant one if there is one?
Depends on the context, but usually just the one in question. So if giving directions I will refer to the road as US 1 if that is the route that should be followed. If referring to the route itself for whatever reason I will often pick a random one.
Ok good. Was really hoping no one calls a particular section of interstate highway like "four sixty-five, seventy-four, thirty-one, thirty-six, thirty-seven, fourty, sixty-seven, future sixty-nine" .
Quote from: Evan_Th on July 02, 2021, 12:21:49 PM
I grew up in North Carolina around the US 15 - US 501 multiplex. We always called it "Fifteen five oh one."
I occasionally heard the I-40 - I-85 multiplex called "forty eighty five", but hardly ever; it's usually called by one or the other route name.
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 03, 2021, 10:41:50 AM
As a former resident of Durham, I concur in all of that. We always called the latter portion I-85, probably because I-85 more directly serves Durham and Duke University (the latter being the reason we were all there in the first place). If someone gave you directions to the Greensboro Coliseum, the directions involved taking I-85 South to Greensboro, then exiting onto I-40 towards Winston-Salem and following the Coliseum signs.
Old-timers here still call the multiplex I-85 because it was here first. I-40 wasn't completed in Orange County until 1989 (and I believe that the multiplex didn't get signed until afterwards).
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on June 30, 2021, 10:11:09 PM
US 10/61: Highway 61
As a kid, there were also references to 61/10 (even within MnDOT). But yes, usually just "61".
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Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on June 30, 2021, 10:11:09 PM
MN:
I-94/694 - both if referring to that segment, or just 94 if referring to the greater part of the route
I have never heard anybody refer to it using both numbers. It's just 694, unless you are continuing on 94 at either end, in which case it's probably 94.
My experience is the opposite...at least in my youth, it was overwhelmingly called just '94". Occasionally 94/694, but I rarely heard it called just "694".
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Idk about the residents themselves, but the Alabama DOT seems to treat the I-20/59 overlap as I-59. The 3di to Tuscaloosa is x59 rather than x20, and on the official state map which features "straight line" type maps of the Interstates with ramp configuration diagrams for each interchange, I-59 gets one continuous map while I-20 gets a "see I-59" when reaching their merge point.
It's generally called "fifty-nine twenty".
Except on the Mississippi side where it's either "twenty fiftynine" or simply "the Interstate"...
The Toronto area has two major multiplexes.
The first is easy, it's simply referred to as Highway 35/115. In speech, the slash isn't said, so it's just Highway 35 115.
The second is 403/QEW, and usually, traffic reports just say QEW or Gardiner-QE Combo (since QEW becomes Gardiner Expressway in Toronto). However, with regular speech, I think 403 and QEW are interchangeable as long as you state the cross street, people will understand what you mean.
Quote from: GaryV on July 01, 2021, 10:37:39 AM
Michigan only has a few concurrencies, and most of them are short.
The longest, I-75 and US-23 is usually referred to as I-75. Our flint user from Saginaw can confirm.
The other long one was I-69 and US-27, which is now gone. I didn't get in that area a lot, but I think it was usually referred to only as I-69.
US-2 and US-41 are concurrent around Escanaba, and I'm not sure how they are locally referred to. Same with the longer US-41 and M-28 concurrency west of Marquette. (Both are signed together.)
When state routes join an Interstate or US freeway, they are usually well-signed. For example, M-55 is concurrent with I-75 in the middle of the state, about 10-12 miles as I recollect. Both are signed.
EDIT: I forgot - I-96 and I-275 in the Detroit metro area is known almost exclusively as 275.
Here the UP, US 41 takes precedence over M-28 and US 2 takes precedence over both US 41 and M-35. US 2 also gets the nod over US 141 and M-95. Basically, the locals use one number, and that corresponds to the first number in the standard ordering. The one exception would probably be on the US 141/M-28 overlap where M-28 gets the nod and US 141 gets forgotten.
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Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on June 30, 2021, 10:11:09 PM
US 10/61: Highway 61
As a kid, there were also references to 61/10 (even within MnDOT). But yes, usually just "61".
Quote from: Coelacanth on July 01, 2021, 11:54:19 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on June 30, 2021, 10:11:09 PM
MN:
I-94/694 - both if referring to that segment, or just 94 if referring to the greater part of the route
I have never heard anybody refer to it using both numbers. It's just 694, unless you are continuing on 94 at either end, in which case it's probably 94.
My experience is the opposite...at least in my youth, it was overwhelmingly called just '94". Occasionally 94/694, but I rarely heard it called just "694".
It has always been Highway 61 when I lived in and whenever I go back to Cottage Grove. US 10 may as well not exist between the Hastings area and Arden Hills.
I believe US 52 and MN 55 is just 52 or Highway 52.
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I know from when I used to visit Houston a lot for work, that the multiplex of I-10/US 90 was generally referred to as the Katy Freeway. (90 is invisible through most of this)
Yeah. We usually use the names here for many of them, but some we use the numbers. There aren't many multiplexed routes here actually, oddly enough. The main one is US 90 being multiplexed with IH 10 from the east loop all the way to Katy. But most people don't even realize they're multiplexed because there are no signs for US 90, so everyone just calls it I 10.
Tre other poster who mentioned that we all still call IH 69/US 59 "59," yeah that's absolutely true. I'm a road geek and I still call it 59
What I really wonder is what do people in Beaumont call US 69/US 96/US 287
There's also the US 290/SH 6 multiplex, which runs from NW Houston to Hempstead. Everyone just calls it 290, as it the main route/freeway. Although, SH 6 is signed along the multiplex for the most part.
The US 59/71 overlap from Acorn, AR to Texarkana is called 71 or
Highway 71 almost 100% of the time. Nobody calls it US 59.
The US 169/64 overlap in Tulsa is almost exclusively referred to as "169".
More info at http://bugo348.blogspot.com/2010/05/us-64-tulsas-redheaded-stepchild.html
The US 59/270 overlap on the Oklahoma side is usually referred to as US 59. On the Arkansas side, however, it is usually referred to as US 270. More info at http://bugo348.blogspot.com/2010/05/us-59-270-duplex-in-arkansas-and.html
I don't know what the US 59/71 overlap in Missouri is called. I would be interested to know.
In Siloam Springs, AR 59 is referred to as "Arkansas 59", while US 59 us referred to as "Oklahoma 59".
The US 64/OK 51 overlap in Tulsa is almost exclusively called "The BA" (short for Broken Arrow Expressway). ODOT considers OK 51 to be the dominant designation and the control sections are cataloged as OK 51.
More info at http://bugo348.blogspot.com/2010/05/us-64-tulsas-redheaded-stepchild.html
The US 69/75 concurrency is called 69 in Oklahoma and 75 in Texas. Although the south merge is only a couple of miles south of the red River.
Back to Indiana, I'm pretty certain that US 150's long multiplex with both US 50 and then US 41 is barely ever mentioned along those two highways from Shoals all the way to Terre Haute. Even though it's signed it seems that the highway that goes from Terre Haute south to Vincennes is usually just refereed to as US 41. And from Vincennes to Shoals it's just US 50.
Here in Québec City, the A-40/A-73 multiplex is referred by name, which then splits it in two segments (Henri-IV or "de la Capitale", the latter being the original name before A-40 was fully converted to Félix-Leclerc).
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I generally use route numbers to refer to all roads, even in a concurrency.
All route numbers in a concurrency, or just the dominant one if there is one?
Depends on the context, but usually just the one in question. So if giving directions I will refer to the road as US 1 if that is the route that should be followed. If referring to the route itself for whatever reason I will often pick a random one.
Ok good. Was really hoping no one calls a particular section of interstate highway like "four sixty-five, seventy-four, thirty-one, thirty-six, thirty-seven, fourty, sixty-seven, future sixty-nine" .
Heh...if they are signed and posted...I do this.
"Interstate 69, US 59" ; or in San Antonio "Upper Level: Interstate 10 West/US 87 North/Interstate 35 North; Lower Level: Interstate 35 North"
In Indiana:
At least around where I used to live, the US 35/SR 22 concurrency was called "22". US 31/US 35 in Kokomo is "US 31".
The I-69/SR 37 concurrency in Indy and Fishers is always "I-69".
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 01, 2021, 08:27:33 PM
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Quote from: SkyPesos on July 01, 2021, 02:00:36 PM
I rarely hear I-80/90 called with both numbers, or even with numbers at all. It's either Indiana Toll Rd in Indiana or Ohio Turnpike (or just Turnpike) in Ohio.
I never hear it called 80/90. Like you said either Indiana Toll Road or Ohio Turnpike. Once 80 gets to the Borman though I've heard people call that 80/94.
I would say about 50% call it the Borman, 40% 80/94, and 10% just 80.
When I lived in NWI and Chicagoland, most people called the Indiana Toll Road, "the Toll Road".
I agree on the Borman percentages, but again based on when I lived up there, on the Illinois side "the Kingery" was not heard too often. I think it was mainly called "80-94" in Illinois. West of the split of I-80 and I-94, the road was called "the Tri-State" (not I-294 or I-80).
73rd Avenue in Merrillville and Ross Twp. was often called "330" even though SR 330 was short-lived and long gone. I suspect that is a thing of the past.
Quote from: mukade on November 05, 2021, 08:04:04 PM
In Indiana:
At least around where I used to live, the US 35/SR 22 concurrency was called "22". US 31/US 35 in Kokomo is "US 31".
The I-69/SR 37 concurrency in Indy and Fishers is always "I-69".
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 01, 2021, 08:27:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 01, 2021, 07:20:11 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 01, 2021, 02:00:36 PM
I rarely hear I-80/90 called with both numbers, or even with numbers at all. It's either Indiana Toll Rd in Indiana or Ohio Turnpike (or just Turnpike) in Ohio.
I never hear it called 80/90. Like you said either Indiana Toll Road or Ohio Turnpike. Once 80 gets to the Borman though I've heard people call that 80/94.
I would say about 50% call it the Borman, 40% 80/94, and 10% just 80.
When I lived in NWI and Chicagoland, most people called the Indiana Toll Road, "the Toll Road".
I agree on the Borman percentages, but again based on when I lived up there, on the Illinois side "the Kingery" was not heard too often. I think it was mainly called "80-94" in Illinois. West of the split of I-80 and I-94, the road was called "the Tri-State" (not I-294 or I-80).
73rd Avenue in Merrillville and Ross Twp. was often called "330" even though SR 330 was short-lived and long gone. I suspect that is a thing of the past.
The real Indiana question: What will the completed freeway between I-465 and Bloomington be called commonly? "New" I-69 or stick with IN SR 37?
I think SR 37 will be decommissioned from Bloomington to Fishers..... so I-69.
Quote from: mukade on November 05, 2021, 08:40:33 PM
I think SR 37 will be decommissioned from Bloomington to Fishers..... so I-69.
Never know. Sometimes old habits die hard
Quote from: mukade on November 05, 2021, 08:04:04 PM
In Indiana:
At least around where I used to live, the US 35/SR 22 concurrency was called "22". US 31/US 35 in Kokomo is "US 31".
The I-69/SR 37 concurrency in Indy and Fishers is always "I-69".
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 01, 2021, 08:27:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 01, 2021, 07:20:11 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 01, 2021, 02:00:36 PM
I rarely hear I-80/90 called with both numbers, or even with numbers at all. It's either Indiana Toll Rd in Indiana or Ohio Turnpike (or just Turnpike) in Ohio.
I never hear it called 80/90. Like you said either Indiana Toll Road or Ohio Turnpike. Once 80 gets to the Borman though I've heard people call that 80/94.
I would say about 50% call it the Borman, 40% 80/94, and 10% just 80.
When I lived in NWI and Chicagoland, most people called the Indiana Toll Road, "the Toll Road".
I agree on the Borman percentages, but again based on when I lived up there, on the Illinois side "the Kingery" was not heard too often. I think it was mainly called "80-94" in Illinois. West of the split of I-80 and I-94, the road was called "the Tri-State" (not I-294 or I-80).
73rd Avenue in Merrillville and Ross Twp. was often called "330" even though SR 330 was short-lived and long gone. I suspect that is a thing of the past.
I've never heard anybody refer to 73rd Avenue as 330. I have heard it called Joliet St.
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 01, 2021, 08:27:33 PM
I've never heard anybody refer to 73rd Avenue as 330. I have heard it called Joliet St.
That was back in the 70s and is why I said it is probably a thing of the past. Joliet St. is the name of the road in Schererville.