Do you sometimes wonder if you're a "real man" because you can't or don't _______________ [fill in the blank]? Are you too insecure to talk about it with family and friends? Well, this is a safe place. We won't judge your masculinity based on silly little things like that. You are accepted here, just as you are. Feel free to share what that thing is in a safe and moderated environment, with whatever level of anonymity you've managed to secure thus far on the forum.
There is one thing, though: you have to surrender your man card at the door.
You can pick it up on the way back out.
Note 1: This isn't necessarily meant to be for males only. I don't know if there's a female equivalent to the "man card" but, if there is, women are free to share what it is that makes them "less of a woman".
Note 2: This is supposed to be humorous. Please keep the replies lighthearted in nature.
I'll start.
* I've never changed my own oil.
* I usually sit down to pee.
* I stopped caring about whether people perceived me as masculine or not. (It was very freeing.)
I love Madonna's first four albums.
I've seen the stage musical Mamma Mia three times
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 21, 2021, 12:37:52 PM
* I stopped caring about whether people perceived me as masculine or not. (It was very freeing.)
If we're gonna get all existential and crap on here... I suppose there's a difference between caring if
other people perceive you as masculine and feeling insecure about
your own masculinity.
But, again, that's not the point of this thread. This is just for fun. And, I suppose, for us all to realize people are more alike than they might first appear.
Quote from: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 12:52:08 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 21, 2021, 12:37:52 PM
* I stopped caring about whether people perceived me as masculine or not. (It was very freeing.)
If we're gonna get all existential and crap on here... I suppose there's a difference between caring if other people perceive you as masculine and feeling insecure about your own masculinity.
But, again, that's not the point of this thread. This is just for fun. And, I suppose, for us all to realize people are more alike than they might first appear.
Well, I mean. It's kind of one of those things that I can't help but engage with at an existential level, because the concept of having a "man card" you
can surrender is so foreign to my adult experience. Sort of like that other thread where I posted that Oklahoma houses don't have basements and a Massachusetts poster demanded to know how that was even possible. :-D
Cause, like, traditional masculine things have just never appealed to me, I guess. Sports are about as interesting to me as watching someone else play a card game. I've never been athletic. I can build things with my bare hands but it's never been pleasurable to me, just a means to an end that I want to get done with as soon as possible (okay, repairing slot machines was interesting sometimes). Power tools kind of scare me. Never been interested in cars as anything other than a means to bring me to road signs I want to look at (I
have changed my own oil, and my takeaway was that it was worth the fifty bucks or whatever to have Walmart do it). So, like, the idea of being a "real man" is something I've sort of chosen to opt out of, because none of the things it entails interest me in the slightest. Dad tried to get me into all of that stuff and it just didn't take.
So I guess you could say my man card, such as it were, got lost in the mail.
Along the lines of something you said in there...
* I can't throw a spiral.
Quote from: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 01:39:54 PM
Along the lines of something you said in there...
* I can't throw a spiral.
* I don't know what a spiral
is in this context. Some sort of baseball move? A car part, like maybe a spring that gets detached?
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 21, 2021, 01:37:25 PM
Sports are about as interesting to me as watching someone else play a card game. I've never been athletic.
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 21, 2021, 01:42:48 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 01:39:54 PM
Along the lines of something you said in there...
* I can't throw a spiral.
* I don't know what a spiral is in this context. Some sort of baseball move? A car part, like maybe a spring that gets detached?
Throwing a football so that it spirals neatly through the air.
I've never been able to do that. Having grown up in northwestern Kansas, in a town where someone once spray-painted "ABOUT FOOTBALL" under the "WHERE PEOPLE CARE" part of the welcome sign, I might as well have castrated myself.
Then again, practically all of my classmates either thought I was gay or just called me gay as an insult, so take that as you will...
This is definitely an odd one, but I enjoy listening to good songs from certain kids cartoons. They're just genuinely good songs sometimes.
Oh golly, quite a few things. I've longed prided myself on avoiding certain masculine traits.
* I much prefer small cars and hatchbacks, and ideally ones that have not been modified. Trucks that never do truck things are toxic IMO;
* I dislike body hair so I remove most of it (apart from my legs);
* I have never performed mechanical work on my car (changing a tire and light bulbs are the extent of it);
* the thought of going out and getting hammered appalls me;
* my clothes fit me perfectly -- I strongly dislike clothes that do not fit -- even slightly baggy bothers me;
* I won multiple drama club awards in junior high, including the end-of-the-year award for best performer.
- I'm afraid of roller coasters.
- I find small entry level cars more interesting than muscle cars.
- I value intelligence just as much as physical strength.
- I generally pay someone to detail my car now because I don't enjoy doing it myself.
I love cats.
I'm terrible at mechanical or handyman things. Auto and home repairs are foreign concepts to me. I couldn't change out a kitchen faucet or build a bookshelf, even with an instructional video guiding me every step of the way.
I don't change my own oil either.
I'm not good at grilling out.
- I do all the laundry at our house (but not the ironing; I do know how to iron if I need to, though).
- I regularly wash the dishes.
I think both of those are eminently reasonable tasks for me to take on because Ms1995hoo cleans the bathrooms.
- I put down both the toilet seat and the lid after using the toilet, regardless of the reason I was using it.
That one is largely because I'm worried I'll drop something in the bowl, especially when I hang my CPAP tubes in the shower to dry them. I once dropped a brand-new roll of TP in a toilet bowl, ruining the roll. Ever since then, I put down the lid. (I'm also aware of "toilet plume" as a hygienic reason for closing the lid.) Funny thing is, Ms1995hoo does not put down the lids except in the master bathroom prior to showering (and in that case, she does it mainly because the towels are between the toilet and the shower). I guess that says to me that the way some women fuss about putting the seat down is limited to the seat and that their gripe really is just about wanting it to be convenient for them and not out of any sense about how the seat "should" be.
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 21, 2021, 12:43:20 PM
I've seen the stage musical Mamma Mia three times
I have as well, including once when I sat in the front row. Great show, loads of fun.
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 21, 2021, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 21, 2021, 12:43:20 PM
I've seen the stage musical Mamma Mia three times
I have as well, including once when I sat in the front row. Great show, loads of fun.
OK, I know I said this was a safe place, but I'm really struggling right now... :biggrin:
- I don't really know how to grill
- I usually only stand up to pee when I'm outside my house
- I pulled my tricep trying to throw a spiral well this past Sunday
- I'm not really afraid to cry in public
- I'm pretty sure I'll never buy a pickup truck (way too expensive!)
- I can't do push-ups very well at all
Quote from: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 02:41:01 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 21, 2021, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 21, 2021, 12:43:20 PM
I've seen the stage musical Mamma Mia three times
I have as well, including once when I sat in the front row. Great show, loads of fun.
My wife subjected me to the movie once when were at a hotel in Seattle. Wasn't working for me after about 30 minutes so I went out for an afternoon run.
OK, I know I said this was a safe place, but I'm really struggling right now... :biggrin:
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 21, 2021, 03:15:12 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 02:41:01 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 21, 2021, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 21, 2021, 12:43:20 PM
I've seen the stage musical Mamma Mia three times
I have as well, including once when I sat in the front row. Great show, loads of fun.
OK, I know I said this was a safe place, but I'm really struggling right now... :biggrin:
My wife subjected me to the movie once when were at a hotel in Seattle. Wasn't working for me after about 30 minutes so I went out for an afternoon run.
I saw the movie because Ms1995hoo has the Blu-ray, but the stage show was significantly better than the movie was.
(Quotes fixed based on what I believe Max Rockatansky intended to post.)
Taylor Swift rules.
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 21, 2021, 03:21:00 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 21, 2021, 03:15:12 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 02:41:01 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 21, 2021, 02:38:15 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 21, 2021, 12:43:20 PM
I've seen the stage musical Mamma Mia three times
I have as well, including once when I sat in the front row. Great show, loads of fun.
OK, I know I said this was a safe place, but I'm really struggling right now... :biggrin:
My wife subjected me to the movie once when were at a hotel in Seattle. Wasn't working for me after about 30 minutes so I went out for an afternoon run.
I saw the movie because Ms1995hoo has the Blu-ray, but the stage show was significantly better than the movie was.
(Quotes fixed based on what I believe Max Rockatansky intended to post.)
I can definitely say that was the case with Cats (the stage show was way better than the movie). Although the movie had a real so bad it's good thing going for it with all the creepy animal-people running around. I think Mama Mia and Cats more or less would appeal to the same types of people.
I've never seen Cats, either on stage or the movie.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 21, 2021, 03:27:28 PM
Although the movie had a real so bad it's good thing going for it with all the creepy animal-people running around.
At first, I thought one of the reels at the theater was damaged, so your viewing of it was impeded, but you misspelled the word
reel.
My school brought us the Cats show in the 1990s. I heard how over the top horrible the movie was and had to see when my wife wanted to watch it. I have to say the movie really lived up to the hype and was an epic disaster (and kind of accidentally funny):
I watch Christmas movies on the Hallmark Channel.
Quote from: GaryV on July 21, 2021, 03:54:24 PM
I watch Christmas movies on the Hallmark Channel.
I did watch the Colonel Sanders movie which I think was on Lifetime?
* I recently finished reading The Memory Keeper's Daughter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Memory_Keeper%27s_Daughter). Totally a chick book. And I liked it.
Oh, hey, look: when I went to grab that link, I noticed that the book has been adapted as a TV movie on ... which network? Très à propos!
* I drink hot tea. Every day. Multiple times per day. In fact, I keep a collection of various kinds of loose-leaf tea at the office.
* I don't like whiskey. But I'll take a cosmopolitan or a mojito any day.
* I wear gloves when doing most manual labor tasks–even mowing the lawn.
I like musicals, and one of my favorites is The Greatest Showman.
I'd rather own a cat than a dog. (To be honest, I LIKE dogs more, but the care/time quotient is much higher.)
I cry at movies at a higher rate than most men I'm sure.
I don't each very much red meat.
Gymnastics is/are one of my favorite Olympic events to watch.
I'm really good at wrapping presents and normally add ribbon and such.
I'll see any Disney/Pixar movie when it comes out.
I haven't seen the Godfather movies or Scarface straight through.
I know how to cross stitch and can do it pretty well.
I'm also handy with a sewing machine (but I use it to make my own outdoor equipment, so I suppose that's slightly more "manly").
I'd much rather listen to Bonnie Tyler or Heart than most of the male hair bands of the era.
Chris
Another vote for cats.
I used to sweep the house. But now I own a Roomba, so it does the job for me :sombrero:. I also get the laundry out when needed.
And while I have yet to grill out, I think I would be good at it.
* I don't think
The Princess Bride was a good movie. Honestly, I found it to be excruciatingly dull.
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 21, 2021, 04:14:03 PM
I'll see any Disney/Pixar movie when it comes out.
Really, those are some of the best movies being produced nowadays.
- I'm not into trucks and only recently warming up to SUVs.
- I prefer champagne to other alcoholic drinks (most other alcoholic drinks turns me red).
- I'm starting to enjoy having a salad (gotta cut back on the cholesterol and triglycerides).
- I've caught myself listening to XM's Studio 54 a few times and enjoying it.
- I made it through four seasons of Downton Abbey with my wife; the actors were actually pretty good. (Didn't see the final season because it had to be returned to the library while I was gone.)
I like Japanese city pop, and some anime as well.
I can't change a tire or oil.
I hate yardwork and have no interest in it; I have better things to do with my weekend than mow or install fence/deck shit.
I prefer fruity alcoholic beverages.
I prefer women's scents to men's when it comes to body care.
We don't own a pet (although the same feral cat has been coming to our deck for seven years now to be fed), but based on my experiences visiting relatives who do have pets, I agree with the people who prefer cats to dogs, especially large dogs.
* When I'm camping, I have no interest in making a campfire.
At the moment I have three small dogs. All three would only make up about 50% of the mass of my last large dog.
I don't know how to drive a stick
I have never used a manual shaver.
Quote from: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 04:32:09 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 21, 2021, 04:14:03 PM
I'll see any Disney/Pixar movie when it comes out.
Really, those are some of the best movies being produced nowadays.
I'd much rather watch those than most other movies, too. I've had my fill of incredulous action movies, jealous affair flicks, solve-everything-with-guns flicks, and sappy courtroom dramas.
(Of course, it helps if the kids want to watch them as well.)
Quote from: Big John on July 21, 2021, 05:25:07 PM
I have never used a manual shaver.
In contrast, this is what I shave with:
(https://connaughtshaving.com/_wp_generated/wpa91ddb80_05_06.jpg)
(https://gobeba.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/NVS101009.jpg)
I'm a cat person; dogs make me skittish. (I was told that when I was little, I was once spooked by a dog twice my size)
I've never (personally) changed the oil in my car. Replacing light bulbs & wipers is the extent of the maintenance I'll do. (Although I have at least changed a tire)
Although I can cook most things well, I can't make a good steak for the life of me. I'm also not handy with outdoor grilling.
***Sigh***
- I have a secret fan account for Britney Spears
- I absolutely suck at throwing and catching.
- My dad was a mechanic and he has a notorious race car.. But I really don't like the car and I'm scared to race it : (
- [Trauma] I discovered my dead dog when I was little, so I get terrified when I see a dog laying down still.
- I enjoy listening to female empowerment songs.. (Independent Woman, Work It, I'm Every woman, You Don't Own Me etc.)
- I can type over 120 wpm, some people think typing is a woman thing.
- Ok but I absolutely hate(d) when older people ask "do you get all the girls/ do you have a girlfriend". And then they'll say "Why not".. Maybe because I'm ugly or not interested in a relationship??? Also how do you know I'm straight
Typing is probably by far the most practical skill I ever learned in K-12. I've used everyday of my professional life for something. I couldn't fathom how much longer it would take to do things if I couldn't type correctly.
Quote from: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 01:39:54 PM
* I can't throw a spiral.
Not that it's an important life skill, but how can you not throw a spiral? Have you tried? Can you throw a spiral with a smaller ball (not NFL size)?
Just put your fingers on the laces and throw it.
Quote from: jakeroot on July 21, 2021, 02:15:09 PM
* I much prefer small cars
100% agree on this one. Cheaper, better gas mileage, much easier to park. Right now I can't think of a situation where I would need a pickup truck. Legitimate reasons to own a pickup truck would be if you own a lot of land that you take care of, if it's helpful for your job, or if you have a boat/ATV/snowmobile etc. that you need to tow around.
Quote from: dlsterner on July 21, 2021, 08:36:38 PM
Although I can cook most things well, I can't make a good steak for the life of me.
Same here. It either comes out raw in the middle or cooked to leather.
Quote from: thspfc on July 21, 2021, 09:17:44 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 01:39:54 PM
* I can't throw a spiral.
Not that it's an important life skill, but how can you not throw a spiral? Have you tried? Can you throw a spiral with a smaller ball (not NFL size)?
Just put your fingers on the laces and throw it.
That's about as useful as "teaching" someone to whistle by telling them "just put your lips together and blow".
There's more to throwing a spiral than just where your fingers go. I've been told the arm motion is the same as serving in tennis, but I'm no good at that either.
I always sucked at baseball and football but I was pretty solid in basketball and hockey. Sometimes certain sports or athletic endeavors just aren't a good fit for a given individual.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 21, 2021, 09:34:53 PM
I always sucked at baseball and football but I was pretty solid in basketball and hockey. Sometimes certain sports or athletic endeavors just aren't a good fit for a given individual.
I've always been terrible at basketball. I was okay at baseball until an errant throw that was not intended for me sent me to the ER. I lost interest after that. Never tried hockey but I know I would be awful.
I'm a big fan of Lana Del Rey.
I too am not into trucks, though I'd be fine with a small one like an old Ranger.
Small cars are just a big brain move. I drive a VW Golf and love how easy it is for me to park and maneuver tight spots. I don't think I would enjoy driving a pickup unless I had a good reason to.
Quote from: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 12:17:46 PM
There is one thing, though: you have to surrender your man card at the door.
You can pick it up on the way back out.
You have a line in your sig that warrants having your man card forcibly taken from you, ripped apart, then burned, and you being put on a "no more man cards" list.
You can probably figure out which line. :-D
Quote from: hbelkins on July 21, 2021, 10:03:07 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 12:17:46 PM
There is one thing, though: you have to surrender your man card at the door.
You can pick it up on the way back out.
You have a line in your sig that warrants having your man card forcibly taken from you, ripped apart, then burned, and you being put on a "no more man cards" list.
You can probably figure out which line. :-D
Keep right except to pass?
I like mojitos and caipirinhas, and beers with a low IBU.
I drive a car with enough power to pass people where needed, but otherwise blends into the background.
I've done habitat for humanity, but have never put up drywall, tile, carpet, etc. at my own house. I fix small appliances, minor plumbing, but e.g. any electrical stuff I'll hire someone.
Any day or weekend trips, my wife drives (SUV vs. my sedan). [But whenever we rent a car, 95% of the time I drive.]
If we go out for dinner and it's vegan, no problem. I'll try something new.
Quote from: thspfc on July 21, 2021, 10:15:03 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 21, 2021, 10:03:07 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 12:17:46 PM
There is one thing, though: you have to surrender your man card at the door.
You can pick it up on the way back out.
You have a line in your sig that warrants having your man card forcibly taken from you, ripped apart, then burned, and you being put on a "no more man cards" list.
You can probably figure out which line. :-D
Keep right except to pass?
I'm pretty sure it's the Orleans County one, actually.
For me, my biggest difference from other men is my taste in music. I like female artists just as much as male artists. In Country, I like Rosanne Cash, Tanya Tucker, Barbara Mandrel, Crystal Gayle, ect. In Pop, I like Madonna (some of hers I really like, others annoy me), Taylor Swift, Taylor Dayne. In rock, I like Heart, Pat Benatar, ect.
Sports: I followed the Cowboys in the 90's when they were good. Other than that, I couldn't care less about sports
Tool/ Cars/ Home Improvement: I can change my oil, alternator, ect. I drive a sedan, and don't like how other men drive huge trucks that they don't need just so they can be arrogant and drive like assholes. I like tools and doing home repairs and improvements. I can operate numerous pieces of construction and warehouse machinery.
Quote from: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 04:06:11 PM
* I drink hot tea. Every day. Multiple times per day. In fact, I keep a collection of various kinds of loose-leaf tea at the office.
Feel like this is perfectly accepted, considering the stereotypical Brit is a tea-sipping, moustache twirling, fine specimen of a gent. Also, Asia says hello. I say hello too.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on July 21, 2021, 04:48:41 PM
I like Japanese city pop, and some anime as well.
Anime is still taboo? Y'all must've sitting under a rock when
Demon Slayer: Infinity Train came out. Anime could give Disney a run for its money given five or so years. Also helps that Disney worked to make anime mainstream in the 2000's by dubbing and distributing Studio Ghibli films (except for
Grave of the Fireflies because we hate to see children starving, and
Only Yesterday because ewwww periods are grosssss).
-Absolutely terrible at sports. I'm below average in tennis and decent in chess, if that counts.
-Motorcycles are overrated.
-Echoing
kurumi: vegan is perfectly fine. Salads, when done right, are very filling even without meat. The key is piling on a ton of greens like kale or arugula, or adding starchy foods such as potatoes or rice.
-It's okay not to like alcohol or smoking. You'll live longer.
I like Taylor Swift
I like country music
I'm terribly unathletic
I like looking at a lot of these female musicians a lot of you are referencing. When music videos were a thing they weren't bad to have on in the background on mute.
Regarding anime, I did watch Dragon Ball Z in high school. I didn't find out until I was an adult that it was considered something else than just another superhero thing.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 12:02:18 AM
I like looking at a lot of these female musicians a lot of you are referencing. When music videos were a thing they weren't bad to have on in the background on mute.
Music videos are still a thing, they're just on YouTube now instead of MTV. Some of them are damn near short movies (which is kind of irritating when you want to listen to the song in the background, so you put it on YouTube and the music stops for some plot development).
Quote from: dlsterner on July 21, 2021, 08:36:38 PM
I'm a cat person; dogs make me skittish. (I was told that when I was little, I was once spooked by a dog twice my size)
I've never (personally) changed the oil in my car. Replacing light bulbs & wipers is the extent of the maintenance I'll do. (Although I have at least changed a tire)
Although I can cook most things well, I can't make a good steak for the life of me. I'm also not handy with outdoor grilling.
I also enjoy playing bridge, and have done so most of my adult life (gasp!)
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 22, 2021, 12:36:03 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 12:02:18 AM
I like looking at a lot of these female musicians a lot of you are referencing. When music videos were a thing they weren't bad to have on in the background on mute.
Music videos are still a thing, they're just on YouTube now instead of MTV. Some of them are damn near short movies (which is kind of irritating when you want to listen to the song in the background, so you put it on YouTube and the music stops for some plot development).
So basically miniature versions of Moon Walker?
People have been saying anime is going to take over for decades now. Seems that will perpetually happen five years from now.
My non-man-card stuff:
--I enjoyed Anne of Green Gables, the books and the Megan Follows series.
--My wife got me into the k-drama Guardian: The Lonely and Great God (a/k/a "Goblin"). Can't stand any other the others she has watched, though.
--Never changed my own oil.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 21, 2021, 11:58:07 PM
I like Taylor Swift
I like country music
I'm terribly unathletic
Liking country music is more unusual for your geographic region than for your gender.
To the OP: much respect for having the
balls courage to start this thread. :clap:
Furthering a couple common points thus far:
-Also cats > dogs: we have 2, and yes I love the shit out of those little rascals :love: (and having a scary incident the other day where one got his paw caught in the hinged side of a door only reinforced that)
-Also small cars > large cars: Quite happy with my Civic that has great maneuverability, good-enough acceleration, and pushes 45 mpg if I'm slightly mindful (and it is a stick, but I don't really think of that as a "manly" thing so much as just enjoying having that added control over the car). And I've never changed the oil myself.
As a more overall statement: Ever since I learned to drop the whole "men-don't-have-feelings-or-emotions" thing within the past year or 2, I've found that I've learned a ton about myself and why I do things the way I do, I've been able to resolve things from my childhood that I hadn't realized were still affecting me, my relationship with my fiancée has become that much stronger, and I'm much happier both overall and with the person I've become.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 12:02:18 AM
Regarding anime, I did watch Dragon Ball Z in high school. I didn't find out until I was an adult that it was considered something else than just another superhero thing.
I've watched all of TeamFourStar's Dragon Ball Z Abridged :-D
- i'm a cat person
- when i'm working i often lipsync the female singers
Quote from: jmacswimmer on July 22, 2021, 07:41:03 AM
To the OP: much respect for having the balls courage to start this thread. :
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 12:02:18 AM
Regarding anime, I did watch Dragon Ball Z in high school. I didn't find out until I was an adult that it was considered something else than just another superhero thing.
I've watched all of TeamFourStar's Dragon Ball Z Abridged :-D
As have I, it honestly was the best version of the show and hilarious at the same time.
I feel that the fact that anime is becoming so popular in the West says a lot about our own mainstream entertainment, and how many people do not care for it anymore. In other words, this could be another sign that they're horribly out of touch with what people actually enjoy.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 07:51:30 AM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on July 22, 2021, 07:41:03 AM
To the OP: much respect for having the balls courage to start this thread. :
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 12:02:18 AM
Regarding anime, I did watch Dragon Ball Z in high school. I didn't find out until I was an adult that it was considered something else than just another superhero thing.
I've watched all of TeamFourStar's Dragon Ball Z Abridged :-D
As have I, it honestly was the best version of the show and hilarious at the same time.
Absolutely agreed.
NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIL
I can't grill, not good at fixing too many things, love cats, talk about my feelings.
Neighbor's new boyfriend drives a mini Cooper, that's just TOO far.
Before COVID, I sang in a choir. While an SATB choir obviously needs both women and men, most amateur choirs are about 75% female.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 21, 2021, 11:58:07 PM
I like country music
What? How is that possibly un-masculine?
Quote from: jmacswimmer on July 22, 2021, 07:41:03 AM
To the OP: much respect for having the balls courage to start this thread.
Thanks. I'd had the idea to start this topic for a few weeks, but it's apparently easy to forget to start an off-topic thread.
Quote from: noelbotevera on July 21, 2021, 11:38:48 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 04:06:11 PM
* I drink hot tea. Every day. Multiple times per day. In fact, I keep a collection of various kinds of loose-leaf tea at the office.
Feel like this is perfectly accepted, considering the stereotypical Brit is a tea-sipping, moustache twirling, fine specimen of a gent. Also, Asia says hello. I say hello too.
Right, of course, but I don't get the impression Englishmen suffer from the same macho-inferiority complex as we Americans do. Maybe I'm wrong about that. At least around here, hot tea is what little old ladies drink. Men drink iced tea instead.
* I cross my legs above the knee.
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 21, 2021, 01:37:25 PM
Well, I mean. It's kind of one of those things that I can't help but engage with at an existential level, because the concept of having a "man card" you can surrender is so foreign to my adult experience. ....
I'm not going to name any usernames, but I have reason to believe certain forum members would strongly disagree with that last clause.
Quote from: kphoger on July 22, 2021, 10:33:08 AM
* I cross my legs above the knee.
I got into this habit due to living in Russia, where crossing your legs above the knee is the cultural way of not showing the bottom of your shoe, which is considered rude.
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 22, 2021, 10:34:22 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 21, 2021, 01:37:25 PM
Well, I mean. It's kind of one of those things that I can't help but engage with at an existential level, because the concept of having a "man card" you can surrender is so foreign to my adult experience. ....
I'm not going to name any usernames, but I have reason to believe certain forum members would strongly disagree with that last clause.
Scott doesn't have adult experience?
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 22, 2021, 10:34:22 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 21, 2021, 01:37:25 PM
Well, I mean. It's kind of one of those things that I can't help but engage with at an existential level, because the concept of having a "man card" you can surrender is so foreign to my adult experience. ....
I'm not going to name any usernames, but I have reason to believe certain forum members would strongly disagree with that last clause.
The nice thing about not giving a shit about your societal gender role is that you
also stop giving a shit about the opinions of other people in regards to how well you performed that gender role. Like I said, it's freeing.
Unless, of course, you adopted a new societal gender role in the process and are worried about the opinions of other people in regards to how well you're performing that one...
But, please, this is precisely the type of discussion I was hoping this thread would not become.
I much prefer short shorts. Primarily so I can maintain a decent tan on my thighs. I have a khaki-colored pair that, when paired with hiking boots, long socks, and bushman hat, make me look decidedly Australian!
If only I wasn't afraid of carrying knives as well.
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 22, 2021, 12:32:41 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 22, 2021, 10:34:22 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 21, 2021, 01:37:25 PM
Well, I mean. It's kind of one of those things that I can't help but engage with at an existential level, because the concept of having a "man card" you can surrender is so foreign to my adult experience. ....
I'm not going to name any usernames, but I have reason to believe certain forum members would strongly disagree with that last clause.
The nice thing about not giving a shit about your societal gender role is that you also stop giving a shit about the opinions of other people in regards to how well you performed that gender role. Like I said, it's freeing.
But...then the womenfolk will not let you help repopulate the land, and eventually tyrants, pirates, and sabertoothed creatures may take over and decimate our homeland.
tl;dr don't take the thread too seriously.
This thread should be a safe space for people to share embarrassing things about them
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 22, 2021, 01:16:00 PM
This thread should be a safe space for people to share embarrassing things about them
Who's "them"?
Quote from: formulanone on July 22, 2021, 01:05:30 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 22, 2021, 12:32:41 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 22, 2021, 10:34:22 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 21, 2021, 01:37:25 PM
Well, I mean. It's kind of one of those things that I can't help but engage with at an existential level, because the concept of having a "man card" you can surrender is so foreign to my adult experience. ....
I'm not going to name any usernames, but I have reason to believe certain forum members would strongly disagree with that last clause.
The nice thing about not giving a shit about your societal gender role is that you also stop giving a shit about the opinions of other people in regards to how well you performed that gender role. Like I said, it's freeing.
But...then the womenfolk will not let you help repopulate the land, and eventually tyrants, pirates, and sabertoothed creatures may take over and decimate our homeland.
tl;dr don't take the thread too seriously.
Tyrant pirates with sabertoothed creatures, eh?
/me starts furiously scribbling down notes for his next D&D campaign
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 22, 2021, 01:16:00 PM
This thread should be a safe space for people to share embarrassing things about them
The internet rarely is a safe space for anything.
Quote from: Rothman on July 22, 2021, 01:17:33 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 22, 2021, 01:16:00 PM
This thread should be a safe space for people to share embarrassing things about them
Who's "them"?
The person in question
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 22, 2021, 01:20:41 PM
Quote from: Rothman on July 22, 2021, 01:17:33 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 22, 2021, 01:16:00 PM
This thread should be a safe space for people to share embarrassing things about them
Who's "them"?
The person in question
Where is Question and how did they get there?
Quote from: Rothman on July 22, 2021, 01:21:11 PM
how did they get there?
Can the existential questions, please.
Hell, I recall there being a time not so long ago where being an intelligent male was generally perceived as not being "very manly."
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 22, 2021, 01:16:00 PM
This thread should be a safe space for people to share embarrassing things about them
Really, Sherlock?
Quote from: kurumi on July 21, 2021, 10:23:46 PM
I like mojitos and caipirinhas, and beers with a low IBU.
Not sure what you consider to be a low IBU. I don't like fruity beers that tend to have very low IBU (< 15) but my favorite beers tend to be in the 20-35 range, which is considered low compared to the currently out-of-control obsession with flavorless IPAs with IBUs now pushing triple digits.
I tend to avoid conflict whenever I possibly can. Some guys take "stand your ground" way too seriously.
Someone mentioned driving a stick. I don't. I have done it a few times, but not well, and honestly had no desire to ever learn to drive a stick.
Manually shifting gears, in my view, makes driving more difficult and more effort- and labor-intensive. I'd rather just accelerate, brake, and steer, and let the machine shift gears for me.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 22, 2021, 02:06:57 PM
Someone mentioned driving a stick. I don't. I have done it a few times, but not well, and honestly had no desire to ever learn to drive a stick.
Manually shifting gears, in my view, makes driving more difficult and more effort- and labor-intensive. I'd rather just accelerate, brake, and steer, and let the machine shift gears for me.
I can drive a stick but it's incredibly annoying in most normal driving situations. If I was still doing things like hot laps at a track or going to drag strips I can see myself wanting a manual for those applications. Besides, most modern automatics are way faster and usually have more gears than manuals. The fact that high marque like Ferrari don't offer manuals really speaks to how antiquated they are.
I'm open to the concept of an EV muscle car or one that has something other than a V8.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 22, 2021, 02:06:57 PM
Someone mentioned driving a stick. I don't. I have done it a few times, but not well, and honestly had no desire to ever learn to drive a stick.
Manually shifting gears, in my view, makes driving more difficult and more effort- and labor-intensive. I'd rather just accelerate, brake, and steer, and let the machine shift gears for me.
I can drive a stick but it's incredibly annoying in most normal driving situations. If I was still doing things like hot laps at a track or going to drag strips I can see myself wanting a manual for those applications. Besides, most modern automatics are way faster and usually have more gears than manuals. The fact that high marque like Ferrari don't offer manuals really speaks to how antiquated they are.
I doubt most people today care to. It's just the loud subset of people who would choose to not own a car over being forced to drive an automatic car makes it seem very large.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on July 22, 2021, 02:59:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 02:12:50 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 22, 2021, 02:06:57 PM
Someone mentioned driving a stick. I don't. I have done it a few times, but not well, and honestly had no desire to ever learn to drive a stick.
Manually shifting gears, in my view, makes driving more difficult and more effort- and labor-intensive. I'd rather just accelerate, brake, and steer, and let the machine shift gears for me.
I can drive a stick but it's incredibly annoying in most normal driving situations. If I was still doing things like hot laps at a track or going to drag strips I can see myself wanting a manual for those applications. Besides, most modern automatics are way faster and usually have more gears than manuals. The fact that high marque like Ferrari don't offer manuals really speaks to how antiquated they are.
I doubt most people today care to. It's just the loud subset of people who would refuse to own a car before being forced to drive an automatic car makes it seem very large.
Similar demographic to who insists on only V8s in muscle cars.
Welp, as a daily manual driver, I must chime in.
Manuals are not chosen because they are faster, or get better fuel economy, or because they're easier. They're just preferred for their engagement. You feel more involved. There's nothing wrong with that.
When I bought my Golf in 2015, the manual was the obvious pick: better fuel economy, cheaper to buy and cheaper to maintain, and more fun overall. Improved resale value as well, to the right person of course. Newer autoboxes have eliminated that fuel economy advantage, however, so now it's just about the "cheap and cheerful" vibe.
For the record: no one who daily's a manual thinks about the additional labor. It's all muscle memory. The only time it may come up is crawling up a hill, where it can be difficult to give the clutch a rest. And even then, it's not difficult, you just feel bad for the poor car.
The less engagement I can feel commuting down the same slog of highway to work the better. I much rather zone out and relax, I never could do that in a manual. Yeah, back roads I'm with you that can be a lot of fun having the extra engagement.
Oh, forgot to add this to my list.
I've never been hit in the face.
Chris
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 22, 2021, 04:22:19 PM
Oh, forgot to add this to my list.
I've never been hit in the face.
Chris
I used to think it was normal for people to have gotten into a lot of fights growing up but I've found in my adult life that isn't the case.
Manuals being better for fuel economy? That benefit should come with instructions on how to properly shift gears so you realize those gains.
Quote from: Rothman on July 22, 2021, 04:35:15 PM
Manuals being better for fuel economy? That benefit should come with instructions on how to properly shift gears so you realize those gains.
Typically the automatic variant of most new cars has better economy now.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 04:44:23 PM
Quote from: Rothman on July 22, 2021, 04:35:15 PM
Manuals being better for fuel economy? That benefit should come with instructions on how to properly shift gears so you realize those gains.
Typically the automatic variant of most new cars has better economy now.
Yes, which is why the statement made me scratch my head.
Quote from: jakeroot on July 22, 2021, 04:03:33 PM
Welp, as a daily manual driver, I must chime in.
Manuals are not chosen because they are faster, or get better fuel economy, or because they're easier. They're just preferred for their engagement. You feel more involved. There's nothing wrong with that.
When I bought my Golf in 2015, the manual was the obvious pick: better fuel economy, cheaper to buy and cheaper to maintain, and more fun overall. Improved resale value as well, to the right person of course. Newer autoboxes have eliminated that fuel economy advantage, however, so now it's just about the "cheap and cheerful" vibe.
For the record: no one who daily's a manual thinks about the additional labor. It's all muscle memory. The only time it may come up is crawling up a hill, where it can be difficult to give the clutch a rest. And even then, it's not difficult, you just feel bad for the poor car.
I would add that as a long-time manual-shift driver, I don't think someone not being able to drive a manual, or not liking to, is necessarily a "man card violation." I can think of lots of reasons why someone may not have had the opportunity to learn, for example–our 18-year-old nephew in Florida just got his license last week, and the two vehicles on which he learned to drive both had automatics (his parents have a minivan and a small SUV). He just plain hasn't had the opportunity to learn to drive a manual, and on our recent visit we drove my wife's automatic-equipped TLX simply because it's by far the nicest roadtrip car we have.
Quote from: Rothman on July 22, 2021, 04:48:51 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 04:44:23 PM
Quote from: Rothman on July 22, 2021, 04:35:15 PM
Manuals being better for fuel economy? That benefit should come with instructions on how to properly shift gears so you realize those gains.
Typically the automatic variant of most new cars has better economy now.
Yes, which is why the statement made me scratch my head.
In the car world I hear the sentiment a lot. I just attribute to people being stuck in their ways of when a manual actually provided superior performance and efficiency. You hear the similar sentiments all over car culture anytime something becomes antiquated.
Quote from: Rothman on July 22, 2021, 04:48:51 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 04:44:23 PM
Quote from: Rothman on July 22, 2021, 04:35:15 PM
Manuals being better for fuel economy? That benefit should come with instructions on how to properly shift gears so you realize those gains.
Typically the automatic variant of most new cars has better economy now.
Yes, which is why the statement made me scratch my head.
Who made that statement? The only thing to that affect was this comment, and I quite clearly indicated that it wasn't true
now...
Quote from: jakeroot on July 22, 2021, 04:03:33 PM
When I bought my Golf in 2015, the manual was the obvious pick: better fuel economy, cheaper to buy and cheaper to maintain, and more fun overall. Improved resale value as well, to the right person of course. Newer autoboxes have eliminated that fuel economy advantage, however, so now it's just about the "cheap and cheerful" vibe.
In 2015, the Golf TDI (diesel) got better fuel economy with the six speed manual than the 7 speed DSG. The TDI Golfs on sale elsewhere as of 2021 have superior fuel economy with the automatics. It's a change that has come to be the case literally within the last few years.
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 22, 2021, 04:52:50 PM
I would add that as a long-time manual-shift driver, I don't think someone not being able to drive a manual, or not liking to, is necessarily a "man card violation."
Completely agree. There is zero correlation. When I worked as a valet, I saw just as many female manual drivers as male. I might even say more females, but maybe it just caught my eye more often.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 04:14:33 PM
The less engagement I can feel commuting down the same slog of highway to work the better. I much rather zone out and relax, I never could do that in a manual. Yeah, back roads I'm with you that can be a lot of fun having the extra engagement.
For those like me who do not have a regular commute, that issue is not apparent. I'm rarely in a hurry to go anywhere and I can choose many different routes, including "that back road" if I want. If I commuted all the time, I would be tempted to go with something that had automated cruise control, so I could just not drive at all.
You ever tuck your junk between your legs and look at yourself in a mirror? Just to see what it would look like?
I'll admit it.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 22, 2021, 06:12:58 PM
You ever tuck your junk between your legs and look at yourself in a mirror? Just to see what it would look like?
I'll admit it.
When I was, like, sixteen?
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 21, 2021, 03:24:37 PM
Taylor Swift rules.
Yeah, I'm with you on this! My daughter would listen to her in the car, and damned if I don't find her music catchy.
When I'm driving, I don't particularly want to feel engagement. I want to get where I'm going. I don't necessarily enjoy driving. I enjoy the drive -- the roads, the scenery, the engineering features, the signage, etc. I want to put in as little effort as possible to get from Point A to Point B, even if I will take a longer, slower, curvier road to get there.
I always thought that manuals were considered more fuel efficient than automatics due to the weight. An automatic transmission weighed more than a clutch and gearbox for a standard.
My brother, however, prefers sticks for whatever reason. I presume fuel economy.
Here's another potential man-card-invalidating thought. I hate boxers and boxer briefs and I don't understand why the latter have become so popular lately. They bunch up in my pants legs and don't provide my desired level of support for my equipment that makes me a male. I want traditional briefs, and not those low-rise jobs either.
As a distance runner I can't really do boxers given they don't really keep anything secure when engaged in physical activity. That being the case I tend to go through a lot of underwear and boxer-briefs given they take a ton of wear and tear.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 22, 2021, 07:14:52 PM
Here's another potential man-card-invalidating thought. I hate boxers and boxer briefs and I don't understand why the latter have become so popular lately. They bunch up in my pants legs and don't provide my desired level of support for my equipment that makes me a male. I want traditional briefs, and not those low-rise jobs either.
I'm also not keen on boxers, and regular briefs and boxer briefs are not comfortable long term. I wear
these (https://obviouslyapparel.com/collections/style-3-brief) and I find them very supportive.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 04:34:51 PM
I used to think it was normal for people to have gotten into a lot of fights growing up but I've found in my adult life that isn't the case.
I've never even been in a situation where getting into a fight was a possible potential outcome, mostly because I end up removing people that are that prone to violence from my life long before things can get to that point.
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 22, 2021, 07:49:43 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 04:34:51 PM
I used to think it was normal for people to have gotten into a lot of fights growing up but I've found in my adult life that isn't the case.
I've never even been in a situation where getting into a fight was a possible potential outcome, mostly because I end up removing people that are that prone to violence from my life long before things can get to that point.
For context; when I was a kid fighting was how a lot of social issues were solved. I don't recall fights in school ever being a big deal, about the harshest punishment I ever received was being yelled at by a school administrator or being grounded for a couple days. Times seemingly are very different given I can't conceivably envision people being tolerant to children being in numerous fights a year. The last in school fight I had was in the 8th grade which is when it became clear to me that might be more serious consequences.
To that end, I did compete in state tournaments with several of martial arts before I was an adult. I did often get punched in the face and had a few concussions from those fights. Even those fights were sanctioned I found it was easier to get injured or injure someone else than the typical school yard variant.
In my adult life there was been times I've been hit in the face and worse given my career has at times involved detaining people (mostly shoplifters). Probably the worst thing that ever happened to me was being ganged up on by three shoplifters in 2003. I managed to fight two off and detain one but I was pretty dinged from the exchange.
I haven't had to physically restrain anyone since late 2012, most businesses have long moved away from things like physical detainments. Since 2005 I've been a security manager/administrator which helped a ton getting away from the serious physical stuff. I'm also worlds better at talking people down or getting police officers to where I need them if I think things are going to go south. I will note that I've never been even close to getting into a physical confrontation outside of a work setting in my adult life.
I’m in the process of selling my last manual car and will have a fleet entirely of automatics either until I revive and transmission swap my Fiero or I buy my dad’s old Ford Ranger when he decides to sell it.
(“Wait a minute, Takumi, didn’t you say you weren’t into trucks upthread?”, I hear someone ask. Yes, but I also recognize there’s a utilitarian use for them and that’s what I’d have the Ranger for. Can’t carry a bike in a 30-year-old sedan with a supercar engine.)
Quote from: Takumi on July 22, 2021, 08:14:44 PM
Can't carry a bike in a 30-year-old sedan with a supercar engine.
Bike rack? I have one on my hatchback.
In warm weather I prefer a visor to a full baseball cap. It's hard to find a masculine-looking visor; generally the only place is in a store that sells golf equipment. In addition to a few professional male golfers, there are also a few football coaches who wear visors, perhaps because the audio headset is more comfortable that way. But I almost never see any other man wearing one.
Quote from: jakeroot on July 22, 2021, 08:21:21 PM
Quote from: Takumi on July 22, 2021, 08:14:44 PM
Can't carry a bike in a 30-year-old sedan with a supercar engine.
Bike rack? I have one on my hatchback.
I wasn't a fan of the fitment of a trunk rack on my friend's sedan, and he ended up putting his Ranger of the same vintage as my dad's back on the road to carry his bikes around. That said, long term I may trade the Aristo for another JDM Toyota, a couple of which are wagons or liftbacks that could more easily fit a bike.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 22, 2021, 06:12:58 PM
You ever tuck your junk between your legs and look at yourself in a mirror? Just to see what it would look like?
I'll admit it.
Yesss :-D :-D.
Am I the only one who doesn't use the little hole in underwear to pee??
I'm enough of a car guy to know that getting underneath the car on jackstands or even ramps is very dangerous and just not worth it over an oil change. Even getting the car on those things can be hairy. If you have a lift, fine. Oil and filters have gotten so expensive that you barely save money and not enough to get under the car. It really wasn't that long ago that a quart of oil was $1 instead of $6 and decent filters were $2, not $10.
Now let's think about someone who wants to change their own oil for the first time. Buy a jack and jackstands. A set with an only OK jack and two jackstands is what, $80? Do not even consider using the jack that comes with the car. Then the oil drain jobber thing. $20. Don't use a crescent wrench on the oil drain plug. Buy the exact size. Do you know the exact size? Better buy all sizes since you sure as hell don't have a dial caliper. Also get a drain plug gasket. Your kitchen funnel is a no. Do you even know what an oil filter wrench looks like? Another thing to buy unless you want to stab the old one with a screwdriver and hope it comes off that way. You did buy the filter with the bolt head on it if you don't have a filter wrench right? It might be SAE even though you probably had to go out and buy metric wrenches since your car was built after 1982. Oh you've done stuff around the house with your SAE wrenches. House stuff in the USA is the only thing left on Earth that doesn't take metric wrenches. That was true 30 years ago too.
I prefer Dutch style/step-through bikes (called "women bikes" in the states for some reason) than step-over bikes for normal use on the streets.
Quote from: kenarmy on July 22, 2021, 10:12:02 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 22, 2021, 06:12:58 PM
You ever tuck your junk between your legs and look at yourself in a mirror? Just to see what it would look like?
I'll admit it.
Yesss :-D :-D.
Am I the only one who doesn't use the little hole in underwear to pee??
The little hole is too little or doesn't exist on modern underwear.
Quote from: GCrites80s on July 22, 2021, 10:19:50 PM
I'm enough of a car guy to know that getting underneath the car on jackstands or even ramps is very dangerous and just not worth it over an oil change. Even getting the car on those things can be hairy. If you have a lift, fine. Oil and filters have gotten so expensive that you barely save money and not enough to get under the car. It really wasn't that long ago that a quart of oil was $1 instead of $6 and decent filters were $2, not $10.
Now let's think about someone who wants to change their own oil for the first time. Buy a jack and jackstands. A set with an only OK jack and two jackstands is what, $80? Do not even consider using the jack that comes with the car. Then the oil drain jobber thing. $20. Don't use a crescent wrench on the oil drain plug. Buy the exact size. Do you know the exact size? Better buy all sizes since you sure as hell don't have a dial caliper. Also get a drain plug gasket. Your kitchen funnel is a no. Do you even know what an oil filter wrench looks like? Another thing to buy unless you want to stab the old one with a screwdriver and hope it comes off that way. You did buy the filter with the bolt head on it if you don't have a filter wrench right? It might be SAE even though you probably had to go out and buy metric wrenches since your car was built after 1982. Oh you've done stuff around the house with your SAE wrenches. House stuff in the USA is the only thing left on Earth that doesn't take metric wrenches. That was true 30 years ago too.
This is a weird take, if I'm honest. I had access to a lift for the better part of a year, but 99% of people don't. Also, if you miss the right points on the lift, well, that's just disaster.
Quote from: Takumi on July 22, 2021, 11:23:32 PM
Quote from: GCrites80s on July 22, 2021, 10:19:50 PM
I'm enough of a car guy to know that getting underneath the car on jackstands or even ramps is very dangerous and just not worth it over an oil change. Even getting the car on those things can be hairy. If you have a lift, fine. Oil and filters have gotten so expensive that you barely save money and not enough to get under the car. It really wasn't that long ago that a quart of oil was $1 instead of $6 and decent filters were $2, not $10.
Now let's think about someone who wants to change their own oil for the first time. Buy a jack and jackstands. A set with an only OK jack and two jackstands is what, $80? Do not even consider using the jack that comes with the car. Then the oil drain jobber thing. $20. Don't use a crescent wrench on the oil drain plug. Buy the exact size. Do you know the exact size? Better buy all sizes since you sure as hell don't have a dial caliper. Also get a drain plug gasket. Your kitchen funnel is a no. Do you even know what an oil filter wrench looks like? Another thing to buy unless you want to stab the old one with a screwdriver and hope it comes off that way. You did buy the filter with the bolt head on it if you don't have a filter wrench right? It might be SAE even though you probably had to go out and buy metric wrenches since your car was built after 1982. Oh you've done stuff around the house with your SAE wrenches. House stuff in the USA is the only thing left on Earth that doesn't take metric wrenches. That was true 30 years ago too.
This is a weird take, if I'm honest. I had access to a lift for the better part of a year, but 99% of people don't. Also, if you miss the right points on the lift, well, that's just disaster.
Friend of mine has a lift and when he offered it to me for my own use, that was my first thought: Crash.
Quote from: Takumi on July 22, 2021, 09:27:00 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on July 22, 2021, 08:21:21 PM
Quote from: Takumi on July 22, 2021, 08:14:44 PM
Can't carry a bike in a 30-year-old sedan with a supercar engine.
Bike rack? I have one on my hatchback.
I wasn't a fan of the fitment of a trunk rack on my friend's sedan, and he ended up putting his Ranger of the same vintage as my dad's back on the road to carry his bikes around. That said, long term I may trade the Aristo for another JDM Toyota, a couple of which are wagons or liftbacks that could more easily fit a bike.
I see. As it is the Pacific northwest, my obligatory roof rack was the perfect place to throw on a bike attachment. The fuel economy does admittedly drop slightly, but the low roofline and persistent hatch access made it much more desirable than tossing the bike in the back. Especially if I have luggage or whatnot.
Quote from: GCrites80s on July 22, 2021, 10:19:50 PM
I'm enough of a car guy to know that getting underneath the car on jackstands or even ramps is very dangerous and just not worth it over an oil change. Even getting the car on those things can be hairy. If you have a lift, fine. Oil and filters have gotten so expensive that you barely save money and not enough to get under the car. It really wasn't that long ago that a quart of oil was $1 instead of $6 and decent filters were $2, not $10.
Now let's think about someone who wants to change their own oil for the first time. Buy a jack and jackstands. A set with an only OK jack and two jackstands is what, $80? Do not even consider using the jack that comes with the car. Then the oil drain jobber thing. $20. Don't use a crescent wrench on the oil drain plug. Buy the exact size. Do you know the exact size? Better buy all sizes since you sure as hell don't have a dial caliper. Also get a drain plug gasket. Your kitchen funnel is a no. Do you even know what an oil filter wrench looks like? Another thing to buy unless you want to stab the old one with a screwdriver and hope it comes off that way. You did buy the filter with the bolt head on it if you don't have a filter wrench right? It might be SAE even though you probably had to go out and buy metric wrenches since your car was built after 1982. Oh you've done stuff around the house with your SAE wrenches. House stuff in the USA is the only thing left on Earth that doesn't take metric wrenches. That was true 30 years ago too.
- My dad made a couple of ramps out of scrapwood years ago that work just fine for getting a little extra clearance underneath.
- Don't need to worry about the drain plug size if you already own a socket wrench set.
- An oil filter wrench can be helpful but we managed for years without one. If you only tightened it yourself by hand, you can get it off by hand.
- We just let the oil spill out into an old plastic tub. My dad has a metal funnel that he got from god knows where that is then useful for transferring it into the empty motor oil bottles afterwards.
So yeah it's not really a big deal. That said, I only DIY oil changes on my wife's car since it requires full synthetic and there is actually a significant cost savings there (like $60 instead of $100). My car takes conventional oil so it barely saves anything to DIY, and it's lower the ground so that much less convenient to.
Really the biggest annoyance overall is that the bylaws in the condo complex where we live prohibit doing automotive maintenance in the parking lot, so I have to first drive somewhere else before I can do anything. But my parents are 15 minutes away, so...
Quote from: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 05:57:52 PM
Quote from: Big John on July 21, 2021, 05:25:07 PM
I have never used a manual shaver.
In contrast, this is what I shave with:
(https://connaughtshaving.com/_wp_generated/wpa91ddb80_05_06.jpg)
(https://gobeba.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/NVS101009.jpg)
Gillette - there goes your man card right there!
:-o
Mike
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 22, 2021, 10:30:19 PM
I prefer Dutch style/step-through bikes (called "women bikes" in the states for some reason) than step-over bikes for normal use on the streets.
I remember a discussion about that issue at the school bike rack one day when I was growing up. The following theories arose:
–The extra crossbar on a "men's bike" is there to account for men generally being heavier than women and the bike therefore needing to have a stronger frame. (That was my theory.)
–The extra crossbar is omitted so women don't have to swing their leg up and over to mount the bike.
–The extra crossbar is there to provide support for what happens when a guy sees a hot girl.
–The extra crossbar is omitted from "women's bikes" so that if they fall forward off the seat, they won't get stuck. (That theory didn't address why the crossbar is there on "men's bikes," though, because under the same reasoning, a man would suffer injury.)
Well, it seems now is the time to say it:
I haven't even worn underwear in nearly 14 years.
1. No idea how to drive stick (but I want to, sadly I can't because there's no manuals disposable anywhere here)
2. I do not find sports interesting at all, and I really don't understand why it's so interesting anyways (to me, it's just a bunch of people running around tossing a ball. I don't find that interesting at all)
3. I tend to overthink things
4. I tend to be "too emotional"
5. I have never been in a fight, since I'd rather run away instead of getting hurt.
6. I've also never had any large injury or broken any bones, due to not playing sports, not fighting, and generally taking precautions against injury
7. Due to the above, I guess I'm also too cowardly
While on the subject - for those who:
-Like having fun designs/prints on their underwear
-If you have a S.O., like having matching underwear
Then I strongly encourage checking out the MeUndies website - over the past year or so, we've gotten each other quite a few matching pairs with amusing print designs (one example: chicken nuggets :-D). They're also incredibly soft & comfy, and the website frequently has sales!
Quote from: Takumi on July 22, 2021, 11:23:32 PM
Quote from: GCrites80s on July 22, 2021, 10:19:50 PM
I'm enough of a car guy to know that getting underneath the car on jackstands or even ramps is very dangerous and just not worth it over an oil change. Even getting the car on those things can be hairy. If you have a lift, fine. Oil and filters have gotten so expensive that you barely save money and not enough to get under the car. It really wasn't that long ago that a quart of oil was $1 instead of $6 and decent filters were $2, not $10.
Now let's think about someone who wants to change their own oil for the first time. Buy a jack and jackstands. A set with an only OK jack and two jackstands is what, $80? Do not even consider using the jack that comes with the car. Then the oil drain jobber thing. $20. Don't use a crescent wrench on the oil drain plug. Buy the exact size. Do you know the exact size? Better buy all sizes since you sure as hell don't have a dial caliper. Also get a drain plug gasket. Your kitchen funnel is a no. Do you even know what an oil filter wrench looks like? Another thing to buy unless you want to stab the old one with a screwdriver and hope it comes off that way. You did buy the filter with the bolt head on it if you don't have a filter wrench right? It might be SAE even though you probably had to go out and buy metric wrenches since your car was built after 1982. Oh you've done stuff around the house with your SAE wrenches. House stuff in the USA is the only thing left on Earth that doesn't take metric wrenches. That was true 30 years ago too.
This is a weird take, if I'm honest. I had access to a lift for the better part of a year, but 99% of people don't. Also, if you miss the right points on the lift, well, that's just disaster.
I'm talking about people with very little car experience and next to nothing in the way of tools. Like their car shelf is cleaning stuff and maybe a couple sprays.
I've been listening to Enya all morning.
I changed my own oil a few times when I had an in-ground storm shelter. That's a lot of time, energy, and fear taken away right there! The cap wrench was $5 and the oil + filter wasn't much of a savings. I had the rest of the tools and the tire shop down the street takes used oil, if it's contained. Basically, just to prove it to myself.
Back when I worked at a Firestone 20+ years ago, I was shown how to mount and balance a tire on a steel wheel. But I don't feel comfortable racking up a car and it took me a few years to attempt a conversation with a tech underneath a lifted vehicle.
Quote from: andrepoiy on July 23, 2021, 10:06:17 AM
5. I have never been in a fight, since I'd rather run away instead of getting hurt.
Long ago, my tae kwon do instructor (solid, big dude, quiet type) said the best outcome of a fight is for the fight not to happen.
Quote from: kphoger on July 23, 2021, 09:56:01 AM
I haven't even worn underwear in nearly 14 years.
Depending on the circumstances, I also go without underwear. It can be very freeing and sometimes quite a bit more comfortable.
Quote from: jakeroot on July 23, 2021, 01:46:59 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 23, 2021, 09:56:01 AM
I haven't even worn underwear in nearly 14 years.
Depending on the circumstances, I also go without underwear. It can be very freeing and sometimes quite a bit more comfortable.
The "freeing" part is what I don't like. I'm not a fan of swinging loose. I prefer everything tucked up nice and close. And the thoughts of catching hair or other more sensitive parts in the zipper aren't appealing.
(Does shaving down there give reason for man card revocation?)
Quote from: hbelkins on July 23, 2021, 02:08:25 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on July 23, 2021, 01:46:59 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 23, 2021, 09:56:01 AM
I haven't even worn underwear in nearly 14 years.
Depending on the circumstances, I also go without underwear. It can be very freeing and sometimes quite a bit more comfortable.
The "freeing" part is what I don't like. I'm not a fan of swinging loose. I prefer everything tucked up nice and close. And the thoughts of catching hair or other more sensitive parts in the zipper aren't appealing.
(Does shaving down there give reason for man card revocation?)
I shave down there too.
But my beard cancels that one out.
Quote from: kphoger on July 23, 2021, 02:13:54 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 23, 2021, 02:08:25 PM
(Does shaving down there give reason for man card revocation?)
I shave down there too.
Likewise...and the best part is, the electric razor I have for such purposes is called "The Lawnmower" and made by a company called "Manscaped" :)
Quote from: hbelkins on July 23, 2021, 02:08:25 PM
And the thoughts of catching hair or other more sensitive parts in the zipper aren't appealing.
Whenever anyone mentions this, I instantly think of
that scene with Ben Stiller from "There's Something About Mary".
I shave a hell of a lot more than just down there! Noted as much in my first post.
Definitely not a man card revocation. Hair alone does not make a man (although literally I suppose it may...)
One complaint I hear a lot from women my age is men preferring them to stay cleanly shaved while they walk around as hairy as one can get. I think that's totally unfair.
Quote from: jmacswimmer on July 23, 2021, 02:18:23 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 23, 2021, 02:13:54 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 23, 2021, 02:08:25 PM
(Does shaving down there give reason for man card revocation?)
I shave down there too.
Likewise...and the best part is, the electric razor I have for such purposes is called "The Lawnmower" and made by a company called "Manscaped" :)
This is what I use.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgilletteadjustable.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F07%2FSlim-Cased-K4.jpg&hash=aa0cba199105364bf263b77eed1cbfb3995ed0ba)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2398/1395/products/astra-superior-platinum-double-edge-razor-blades-5-blade-pack-single-2_272x349.jpg?v=1594857898)
(It was the razor my dad used from the time he first started shaving until sometime in the early 1990s. The date stamp is from 1963.)
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 23, 2021, 07:47:12 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 22, 2021, 10:30:19 PM
I prefer Dutch style/step-through bikes (called "women bikes" in the states for some reason) than step-over bikes for normal use on the streets.
I remember a discussion about that issue at the school bike rack one day when I was growing up. The following theories arose:
–The extra crossbar on a "men's bike" is there to account for men generally being heavier than women and the bike therefore needing to have a stronger frame. (That was my theory.)
–The extra crossbar is omitted so women don't have to swing their leg up and over to mount the bike.
–The extra crossbar is there to provide support for what happens when a guy sees a hot girl.
–The extra crossbar is omitted from "women's bikes" so that if they fall forward off the seat, they won't get stuck. (That theory didn't address why the crossbar is there on "men's bikes," though, because under the same reasoning, a man would suffer injury.)
The design difference was so women could ride bikes while wearing dresses without flashing their under britches. :-o
And it just stayed that way long after it became 'acceptable' for women to wear pants.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 23, 2021, 05:07:36 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 23, 2021, 07:47:12 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 22, 2021, 10:30:19 PM
I prefer Dutch style/step-through bikes (called "women bikes" in the states for some reason) than step-over bikes for normal use on the streets.
I remember a discussion about that issue at the school bike rack one day when I was growing up. The following theories arose:
–The extra crossbar on a "men's bike" is there to account for men generally being heavier than women and the bike therefore needing to have a stronger frame. (That was my theory.)
–The extra crossbar is omitted so women don't have to swing their leg up and over to mount the bike.
–The extra crossbar is there to provide support for what happens when a guy sees a hot girl.
–The extra crossbar is omitted from "women's bikes" so that if they fall forward off the seat, they won't get stuck. (That theory didn't address why the crossbar is there on "men's bikes," though, because under the same reasoning, a man would suffer injury.)
The design difference was so women could ride bikes while wearing dresses without flashing their under britches. :-o
And it just stayed that way long after it became 'acceptable' for women to wear pants.
Well, it's perfectly understandable. After all, women haven't
stopped wearing skirts and dresses, and I still occasionally see a woman dressed that way riding a bicycle.
Quote from: CoreySamson on July 21, 2021, 03:06:55 PM
- I don't really know how to grill
- I usually only stand up to pee when I'm outside my house
- I pulled my tricep trying to throw a spiral well this past Sunday
- I'm not really afraid to cry in public
- I'm pretty sure I'll never buy a pickup truck (way too expensive!)
- I can't do push-ups very well at all
You mean u pee in the yard too :-D? Its ok for me the nearest neighbor is 1/2 mile away.
Sometimes I was addressed as maam at a checkout counter? I dont know why, friends I can trust tell me I dont look or act feminim (not that theres anything wrong with that :) :spin:
As for sports I dont watch entire games, just the last 10 mins or so.
Quote from: kphoger on July 23, 2021, 10:40:39 AM
I've been listening to Enya all morning.
i like the way she 'layers' her tracks, so its like you're listening to 10 enya's. beautiful voice.
I also have never broken a bone
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 24, 2021, 02:01:36 PM
I also have never broken a bone
Might be interesting to spin that off onto it's own thread. Counting ribs I have broken over a dozen.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 22, 2021, 02:06:57 PM
Someone mentioned driving a stick. I don't. I have done it a few times, but not well, and honestly had no desire to ever learn to drive a stick.
Manually shifting gears, in my view, makes driving more difficult and more effort- and labor-intensive. I'd rather just accelerate, brake, and steer, and let the machine shift gears for me.
I feel pretty much the same way. I've never driven a manual, nor do I care to learn how. Even if I did know how to drive one, I would still go for the automatic every time since I'm too damn lazy.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 02:12:50 PM
Besides, most modern automatics are way faster and usually have more gears than manuals.
I remember when it was the other way around. It wasn't until the late 90's/early 2000's when 5-speed automatics came out, and even then they weren't common.
People are crazy and times are strange
I'm locked in tight, I'm out of range
I used to care, but things have changed.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 24, 2021, 02:01:36 PM
I also have never broken a bone
Not sure what that has to do with a "man card". I haven't broken or sprained anything and I don't see how that makes me any less masculine.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on July 24, 2021, 06:37:10 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 24, 2021, 02:01:36 PM
I also have never broken a bone
Not sure what that has to do with a "man card". I haven't broken or sprained anything and I don't see how that makes me any less masculine.
There is a perception that a lacking of breaking bones is due to a lack of athleticism. A lack of athleticism for most of my life is something a lot of people would have considered not masculine.
Gosh, where do I begin?
- My voice. I hate my voice. And it's very un-masculine. It's not that it's high-pitched per se (when I was in choir in college, I sung baritone, not tenor, but now low bass either). It's just that my normal speaking voice is very soft and airy. It doesn't have much of the gruff, masculine timbre that I'd like to hear. And sometimes people can't even hear me, except when I repeat myself, and then they tell me not to shout. :banghead:
- I've also never changed my own oil or done any other car repairs. I've only ever changed a flat tire twice.
- I don't make a lot of money because I don't want to work 60-hour weeks.
- I also left what is sometimes seen as a "manly" job as an over-the-road trucker, because I wasn't managing my mental health well at the time. I'd go back to it these days, except for the fact that I feel like I need to be around for an elderly parent. The other reason I'd be reluctant to go back to it is because it's really, very difficult to maintain a good muscle-building routine when you live in a truck for around 26 days a month.
- I don't smoke. Tobacco actually made me cough up blood the two times I tried it. The whole thing about smoking looking manly has been on the way out for decades, though, thankfully.
- I don't know how not to be OCD without taking meds for it.
- In many contexts, I can't stand clutter--like a room or the interior of a car with all sorts of stuff just strewn about haphazardly. My natural impulse is to organize that shit, or at least hide the stuff I don't care about in a drawer or a closet.
- When I was very little, I liked to play "house" with the girls, instead of playing "boy games." Much of that was from my aspirations to be an architect way back when.
- I still wasn't athletic at all as a kid. I never broke a bone, either. That didn't change until around age 30, where I feel like I'm at a loss for finding ways to participate in organized sports, which I'd rather do than play video games these days. I did come close to the broken bone a few years ago when I wrestled somebody who almost broke my arm, but said arm was totally fine a few weeks later.
Quote from: jakeroot on July 21, 2021, 02:15:09 PM
* I much prefer small cars and hatchbacks, and ideally ones that have not been modified. Trucks that never do truck things are toxic IMO;
I'm the same way, in terms of what I'd prefer for my personal vehicle. Actually, when I was a kid, my dream car was a freaking boat like an 80s or 90s Lincoln Town Car or Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham, but these days, I value fuel efficiency and turning radius above all else in a personal vehicle.
Quote
* I dislike body hair so I remove most of it (apart from my legs);
You are my
opposite! I still wish I had
more body hair. Actually, around the time I turned 18, I tried using topical minoxidil on my body, but it didn't work so well, because I never got much hair on my back and shoulders, much to my personal disappointment.
What do I have to do to earn enough Man Points for an upgraded Man Card? :confused:
Quote from: stridentweasel on July 24, 2021, 07:02:11 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on July 21, 2021, 02:15:09 PM
* I dislike body hair so I remove most of it (apart from my legs);
You are my opposite! I still wish I had more body hair. Actually, around the time I turned 18, I tried using topical minoxidil on my body, but it didn't work so well, because I never got much hair on my back and shoulders, much to my personal disappointment.
Honestly, my body hair isn't great. Sure, I have a good head of hair, and a decent beard. But the rest of my body hair was just adequate at best. Never enough for me to be satisfied with it. The shaving started with just my gentleman's area, and then over the following years spread elsewhere. In addition to my legs, I've actually kept my chest hair, but it's mostly a strong center line and stuff between my man boobs :-D
so am I the only one who puts deodorant down there sometimes ..
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 24, 2021, 06:40:45 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on July 24, 2021, 06:37:10 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 24, 2021, 02:01:36 PM
I also have never broken a bone
Not sure what that has to do with a "man card". I haven't broken or sprained anything and I don't see how that makes me any less masculine.
There is a perception that a lacking of breaking bones is due to a lack of athleticism. A lack of athleticism for most of my life is something a lot of people would have considered not masculine.
Considering that a broken leg renders a world class athlete less athletic than a couch potato for the time that the leg takes to heal, I think that perception is misguided.
There's also a difference between "athleticism" and simply "being in shape". I'd say that the physical shape you are in is more important than how athletic you are when it comes to sports, though the two are certainly intertwined (someone who is in shape is much more likely to be athletic than someone who is not).
Knock on wood, I have never broken a bone (to my knowledge, anyways - I remember sustaining a very painful finger injury several years ago but I think it would have been worse if it was broken).
Quote from: thspfc on July 24, 2021, 09:37:57 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 24, 2021, 06:40:45 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on July 24, 2021, 06:37:10 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 24, 2021, 02:01:36 PM
I also have never broken a bone
Not sure what that has to do with a "man card". I haven't broken or sprained anything and I don't see how that makes me any less masculine.
There is a perception that a lacking of breaking bones is due to a lack of athleticism. A lack of athleticism for most of my life is something a lot of people would have considered not masculine.
Considering that a broken leg renders a world class athlete less athletic than a couch potato for the time that the leg takes to heal, I think that perception is misguided.
There's also a difference between "athleticism" and simply "being in shape". I'd say that the physical shape you are in is more important than how athletic you are when it comes to sports, though the two are certainly intertwined (someone who is in shape is much more likely to be athletic than someone who is not).
Knock on wood, I have never broken a bone (to my knowledge, anyways - I remember sustaining a very painful finger injury several years ago but I think it would have been worse if it was broken).
Speaking for myself the way around the broken leg issue is to take up rowing as a interim replacement cardio activity (I even bought a professional rower). I had to do that for about three months while I was recovering from a tendon injury after two back to back Half Marathons followed by a timed hike (which was running). The one nice thing about the car driver that hit me in 2010 was that I didn't break any bones in my legs. It hurt running with cracked ribs and a broken distal radius but I could do it.
Even though I've seen Casablanca probably 100 times, I still tear up with they sing La Marseillaise. And I'm not even French.
Quote from: kkt on July 25, 2021, 05:11:15 PM
Even though I've seen Casablanca probably 100 times, I still tear up with they sing La Marseillaise. And I'm not even French.
I showed that movie to my wife, sadly she doesn't like classics.
Quote from: stridentweasel on July 24, 2021, 07:02:11 PM
- I don't smoke. Tobacco actually made me cough up blood the two times I tried it. The whole thing about smoking looking manly has been on the way out for decades, though, thankfully.
I've never smoked anything, ever. I get the impression that, outside the conservative Christian circles I run in, that's pretty unusual.
Quote from: kphoger on July 25, 2021, 06:21:11 PM
Quote from: stridentweasel on July 24, 2021, 07:02:11 PM
- I don't smoke. Tobacco actually made me cough up blood the two times I tried it. The whole thing about smoking looking manly has been on the way out for decades, though, thankfully.
I've never smoked anything, ever. I get the impression that, outside the conservative Christian circles I run in, that's pretty unusual.
Only about 14% of the US population identifies as cigarette smokers. It sure seemed like a lot more than that when I worked at the casino. I've never smoked tobacco.
388,240 Oklahomans have a marijuana patient license out of 3,963,516 residents, or about 10% of the population. There are, of course, still some people who smoke without a license (though I have no idea why, considering how trivial it is to get a license).
I vaguely remember the end of smoking "being cool" in high school. I smoked on a rare occasion but I never really cared for the smell nor the hassle of finding cigarettes. It seemed like my money was always better spent on something I could get some enjoyment out of like alcohol.
Regarding oil changes, I think the bottom line is that we all have to start somewhere.
I did my first oil change on a 1986 Nissan Maxima whose oil filter and drain plug could be accessed without lifting the car. I used to drain to storage tanks until I discovered what a super hassle it is to keep them from leaking. I never replaced the drain bolt washer, torqued the drain bolt, or wore gloves. I didn't have to buy special equipment other than a cap-type filter wrench and an extra-long ratchet, since I already had a socket set. I did nothing about leakage out of the oil filter stud; at the time (mid-1990's), apartment complexes generally didn't care about auto maintenance in parking lots, and I could simply move the car into the street to avoid driveway drips. Around 2000, can-type oil filters began to be manufactured with antiskid coatings on their ends, and filter wrenches gradually fell into disuse. Now cans are on the way out in favor of filter elements that are replaced by partially dismantling the filter assembly.
I upgraded protocols when I started doing oil changes for a 1994 Saturn SL2, a 2005 Toyota Camry, and a 2009 Honda Fit. I bought Rhino ramps ($40), a click-type torque wrench ($30 at Harbor Freight), and supplies of drain bolt washers/gaskets and pushpin fasteners (oil changes work better on the Camry if the splash shields are removed). I now wear nitrile gloves to keep used oil (with all its cancer-causing polyaromatic hydrocarbons) off my skin, drain to pans instead of tanks (they are easier to clean), change the washer/gasket each time, and torque the drain bolt to spec. I use filter pliers when necessary (it isn't always) to remove the old filter, and tighten the new one by hand. I don't think I have ever had to puncture a filter to get it off.
For me, changing the oil has never been about expressing masculinity or even saving money. It's more about the peace of mind of knowing the job has been done right and that I don't have to clean up after mistakes made during an all-points inspection (such as misrouted vacuum hoses, air cleaner bolts not all put back in, or air being let out of a tire that already has been inflated to the correct pressure).
Except for ramps, I get nervous when lifting a car, and not just because of the possibility of death from crush injury. It is very difficult to get clear, accurate, and reliable information on safe lifting points. It is also possible to do considerable damage lifting at an approved point but without the correct jack adapter. I've popped welds lifting in what I thought was a correct manner.
Some cars are richly provided with good lifting surfaces--for example, any point on the underside of the engine cradle of the Saturn is acceptable for lifting, which makes it really easy to put a jackstand right next to the lift--while others, such as the Camry, have far fewer. I've never actually had the latter vehicle off the ground, other than on ramps, because I don't have a jack adapter for pinch welds (which the FSM designates as lifting points) or information on where to place jack stands that I trust.
Lifting cars is such a difficult problem that many shadetree mechanics build elaborate cribbing out of plywood to spread the load and minimize the chances of damage that could allow rust to get started. I've used scrap wood, rubber sheets (the kind used to open stuck jar lids), and even old towels.
I hate my own voice.
People take advantage of me.
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 25, 2021, 07:30:03 PM
388,240 Oklahomans have a marijuana patient license out of 3,963,516 residents, or about 10% of the population. There are, of course, still some people who smoke without a license (though I have no idea why, considering how trivial it is to get a license).
Some people's employers care a lot about this stuff, and if it showed up on a background check that they had such a card it might cause them problems.
Of course it'd make more problems if it shows up on a drug test, so you're playing with fire at that point...
Here, employers are only allowed to do drug tests if the employees are driving or operating othe heavy machinery.
Quote from: kkt on July 26, 2021, 12:01:05 AM
Here, employers are only allowed to do drug tests if the employees are driving or operating othe heavy machinery.
We don't do pre-employment screens for the bulk of our Federal employee base. In theory the only way a regular employee would get busted for marijuana is if they flagged for a reasonable suspicion screen. What they do in their time off and post on social media isn't grounds for reasonable suspicion.
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 25, 2021, 10:08:59 PM
Quote from: Rothman on July 25, 2021, 09:28:39 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 25, 2021, 08:12:57 PM
People take advantage of me.
To what gain?
Popularity!Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 25, 2021, 09:47:57 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 25, 2021, 08:12:57 PM
People take advantage of me.
Why?
To be funny.
Eh some people suck
Quote from: Duke87 on July 25, 2021, 11:56:38 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 25, 2021, 07:30:03 PM
388,240 Oklahomans have a marijuana patient license out of 3,963,516 residents, or about 10% of the population. There are, of course, still some people who smoke without a license (though I have no idea why, considering how trivial it is to get a license).
Some people's employers care a lot about this stuff, and if it showed up on a background check that they had such a card it might cause them problems.
Of course it'd make more problems if it shows up on a drug test, so you're playing with fire at that point...
The Oklahoma Medical Marijuana Authority (OMMA) is prohibited by state law from disclosing if a given person has a card or not. These records are sealed, so I believe that means that even law enforcement would have to get an order from a judge to unseal them.
A given card number can be validated through OMMA as a valid card or not (returns county of issuance and expiration date), but there's no way to look up whether a given person has a card from public records. I don't know that most dispensaries even regularly validate cards; I think they mostly just collect the card number to log it as the counterparty on the sale record.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 26, 2021, 12:14:17 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 25, 2021, 10:08:59 PM
Quote from: Rothman on July 25, 2021, 09:28:39 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 25, 2021, 08:12:57 PM
People take advantage of me.
To what gain?
Popularity!Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 25, 2021, 09:47:57 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 25, 2021, 08:12:57 PM
People take advantage of me.
Why?
To be funny.
Eh some people suck
Why? Kinda strong.
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 25, 2021, 07:30:03 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 25, 2021, 06:21:11 PM
Quote from: stridentweasel on July 24, 2021, 07:02:11 PM
- I don't smoke. Tobacco actually made me cough up blood the two times I tried it. The whole thing about smoking looking manly has been on the way out for decades, though, thankfully.
I've never smoked anything, ever. I get the impression that, outside the conservative Christian circles I run in, that's pretty unusual.
Only about 14% of the US population identifies as cigarette smokers. It sure seemed like a lot more than that when I worked at the casino. I've never smoked tobacco.
I think tobacco smokers tend to under-report, since there's been such a massive stigma against them for decades, and there are still social smokers that mostly don't identify as smokers. Vaping and marijuana have also supplanted a lot of what would have been cigarette smokers in the younger generation, though not entirely.
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People take advantage of me.
Why?
To be funny.
Eh some people suck
Why? Kinda strong.
Because they take advantage of you.
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People take advantage of me.
Why?
To be funny.
Eh some people suck
Why? Kinda strong.
Because they take advantage of you.
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- I don't smoke. Tobacco actually made me cough up blood the two times I tried it. The whole thing about smoking looking manly has been on the way out for decades, though, thankfully.
I've never smoked anything, ever. I get the impression that, outside the conservative Christian circles I run in, that's pretty unusual.
Only about 14% of the US population identifies as cigarette smokers. It sure seemed like a lot more than that when I worked at the casino. I've never smoked tobacco.
I think tobacco smokers tend to under-report, since there's been such a massive stigma against them for decades, and there are still social smokers that mostly don't identify as smokers. Vaping and marijuana have also supplanted a lot of what would have been cigarette smokers in the younger generation, though not entirely.
I don't run into smokers that much.
I've never smoked anything, either, and have no plans to. Never had any desire to.
Regarding drug testing, if pot is being used medicinally, wouldn't there be therapeutic limits set? CDL holders can have therapeutic amounts of controlled substances in their blood if they have a prescription for it. If they get popped for a certain substance, all they have to do is provide proof of the prescription and there are no more issues. (Much like if you get cited for no proof of insurance, but you actually do have insurance and don't have your card with you, all you have to do is present your valid card and the charge goes away.)
I always thought vaping was intended to be a tobacco alternative, as either a substitute for cigarettes as a nicotine delivery system, or as an aide to weaning smokers off their habit. I was shocked to find out there are actually people who vape who have never smoked. Why would you take up vaping otherwise?
The decline of tobacco use has really impacted the local economy. Even small, rural counties in the mountains and foothills of Kentucky produced decent tobacco crops back in the day. Lots of new vehicles were sold in this area in October and November when the tobacco crop went to market. Now, it's rare to find a tobacco patch in a level field in a creek or river valley. I was a bit surprised to see a couple of big tobacco fields along US 150 in Boyle County on Saturday. I hadn't seen a tobacco growing farm in years.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 26, 2021, 11:34:20 AMRegarding drug testing, if pot is being used medicinally, wouldn't there be therapeutic limits set? CDL holders can have therapeutic amounts of controlled substances in their blood if they have a prescription for it. If they get popped for a certain substance, all they have to do is provide proof of the prescription and there are no more issues. (Much like if you get cited for no proof of insurance, but you actually do have insurance and don't have your card with you, all you have to do is present your valid card and the charge goes away.)
I think that applies only to drugs that are legal with a prescription, which marijuana is not (at the federal level).
Regarding proof of insurance, the cautious assumption has to be that law enforcement in a given jurisdiction has two separate ways to get you: (1) failure to have insurance, and (2) failure to show proof of insurance when asked.
I've personally never smoked, even socially, but this is largely as a result of growing up in a household where both parents smoked, although not heavily (my father was a pipe smoker while my mother smoked roughly half a pack a day). Former smokers and nonsmokers who have grown up or lived long-term in smoking households (like my paternal grandmother--she never smoked, but my grandfather did so very heavily, dying of lung cancer at age 59) tend to be more sensitive to, and far less tolerant of, secondhand smoke than people who have never smoked.
I don't smoke and I have no desire to start.
I don't smoke and I would feel like a bit of a hypocrite if I did. When I was a little kid, my dad smoked. My brother and I hated it and we eventually badgered him into quitting sometime in either the late 1970s or early 1980s.
I don't think there's too many people who suggest smoking is somehow "manly" in the last couple of decades.
Unless you are in West Virginia.
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Unless you are in West Virginia.
Why West Virginia?
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I don't smoke and I would feel like a bit of a hypocrite if I did. When I was a little kid, my dad smoked. My brother and I hated it and we eventually badgered him into quitting sometime in either the late 1970s or early 1980s.
Similar here, except my dad never quit. I do smoke cigars occasionally (maybe 1 or 2 a year) as well as things that are legal here but not in other states, but I still have yet to smoke a cigarette.
Chris
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Quote from: hbelkins on July 26, 2021, 11:34:20 AMRegarding drug testing, if pot is being used medicinally, wouldn't there be therapeutic limits set? CDL holders can have therapeutic amounts of controlled substances in their blood if they have a prescription for it. If they get popped for a certain substance, all they have to do is provide proof of the prescription and there are no more issues. (Much like if you get cited for no proof of insurance, but you actually do have insurance and don't have your card with you, all you have to do is present your valid card and the charge goes away.)
I think that applies only to drugs that are legal with a prescription, which marijuana is not (at the federal level).
Indeed - cannabis is a schedule I controlled substance under federal law, which means as far as the federal government is concerned it is completely illegal for all purposes. Prescriptions can only legally exist for schedule II-V controlled substances, though yes these classes do include quite a few drugs better known for recreational use (e.g. amphetamine and cocaine are both schedule II).
For this reason, doctors are not able to prescribe cannabis the way they would normally prescribe a drug. Instead, generally the way it works is that the state establishes by statute a list of conditions for which sales for medical use are permitted, and a doctor signs a form confirming that the patient has one or more of the conditions on that list.
But since interstate trucking is federally regulated, truckers are subject to federal law and cannot use cannabis for medical purposes even if their state of residence permits it.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 26, 2021, 11:34:20 AMI always thought vaping was intended to be a tobacco alternative, as either a substitute for cigarettes as a nicotine delivery system, or as an aide to weaning smokers off their habit. I was shocked to find out there are actually people who vape who have never smoked. Why would you take up vaping otherwise?
Because it's trendy and cigarettes are passé.
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Quote from: hbelkins on July 26, 2021, 11:34:20 AMRegarding drug testing, if pot is being used medicinally, wouldn't there be therapeutic limits set? CDL holders can have therapeutic amounts of controlled substances in their blood if they have a prescription for it. If they get popped for a certain substance, all they have to do is provide proof of the prescription and there are no more issues. (Much like if you get cited for no proof of insurance, but you actually do have insurance and don't have your card with you, all you have to do is present your valid card and the charge goes away.)
I think that applies only to drugs that are legal with a prescription, which marijuana is not (at the federal level).
Indeed - cannabis is a schedule I controlled substance under federal law, which means as far as the federal government is concerned it is completely illegal for all purposes. Prescriptions can only legally exist for schedule II-V controlled substances, though yes these classes do include quite a few drugs better known for recreational use (e.g. amphetamine and cocaine are both schedule II).
For this reason, doctors are not able to prescribe cannabis the way they would normally prescribe a drug. Instead, generally the way it works is that the state establishes by statute a list of conditions for which sales for medical use are permitted, and a doctor signs a form confirming that the patient has one or more of the conditions on that list.
But since interstate trucking is federally regulated, truckers are subject to federal law and cannot use cannabis for medical purposes even if their state of residence permits it.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 26, 2021, 11:34:20 AMI always thought vaping was intended to be a tobacco alternative, as either a substitute for cigarettes as a nicotine delivery system, or as an aide to weaning smokers off their habit. I was shocked to find out there are actually people who vape who have never smoked. Why would you take up vaping otherwise?
Because it's trendy and cigarettes are passé.
Hence what I said regarding our office and our stance on cannabis. Even though we are a Federal employer someone would have to high at work to get flagged for a drug screen. Given I work in California I would suspect a large number of people in our employee base are consuming cannabis products. What goes on outside of work isn't my business, what goes at work is.
Don't know the exact stats, but it wouldn't surprise me if West Virginia was a heavy smoker state.
If you don't know the answer to something, Google can be your friend :)
A 15 second search found this link: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/smoking-rates-by-state (https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/smoking-rates-by-state)
And yes, West Virginia has the highest percentage of smokers, followed closely by Kentucky.
Lowest percentage of smokers ... Utah. I suspect due to the large Mormon population.
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If you don't know the answer to something, Google can be your friend :)
A 15 second search found this link: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/smoking-rates-by-state (https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/smoking-rates-by-state)
And yes, West Virginia has the highest percentage of smokers, followed closely by Kentucky.
Lowest percentage of smokers ... Utah. I suspect due to the large Mormon population.
Not surprised- old, poor states.
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Quote from: dlsterner on July 26, 2021, 10:54:36 PM
If you don't know the answer to something, Google can be your friend :)
A 15 second search found this link: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/smoking-rates-by-state (https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/smoking-rates-by-state)
And yes, West Virginia has the highest percentage of smokers, followed closely by Kentucky.
Lowest percentage of smokers ... Utah. I suspect due to the large Mormon population.
Not surprised- old, poor states.
There is a ton to do in West Virginia as a resident besides smoke and drink. Really it probably is the last state to feel like it is still in a blue collar/rust belt free for all economically.
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If you don't know the answer to something, Google can be your friend :)
A 15 second search found this link: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/smoking-rates-by-state (https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/smoking-rates-by-state)
And yes, West Virginia has the highest percentage of smokers, followed closely by Kentucky.
Lowest percentage of smokers ... Utah. I suspect due to the large Mormon population.
Not surprised- old, poor states.
There is a ton to do in West Virginia as a resident besides smoke and drink. Really it probably is the last state to feel like it is still in a blue collar/rust belt free for all economically.
There is a ton to do if you like outdoor activities, if you don't there isn't much.
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Quote from: dlsterner on July 26, 2021, 10:54:36 PM
If you don't know the answer to something, Google can be your friend :)
A 15 second search found this link: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/smoking-rates-by-state (https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/smoking-rates-by-state)
And yes, West Virginia has the highest percentage of smokers, followed closely by Kentucky.
Lowest percentage of smokers ... Utah. I suspect due to the large Mormon population.
Not surprised- old, poor states.
There is a ton to do in West Virginia as a resident besides smoke and drink. Really it probably is the last state to feel like it is still in a blue collar/rust belt free for all economically.
There is a ton to do if you like outdoor activities, if you don't there isn't much.
Hence why I emphasized "residents." I got a lot of family in West Virginia, a lot of the aren't enthralled about exploring their home state. It's not too dissimilar to how Michigan was in the late 1990a.
John Denver liked WV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vrEljMfXYo
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Quote from: dlsterner on July 26, 2021, 10:54:36 PM
If you don't know the answer to something, Google can be your friend :)
A 15 second search found this link: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/smoking-rates-by-state (https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/smoking-rates-by-state)
And yes, West Virginia has the highest percentage of smokers, followed closely by Kentucky.
Lowest percentage of smokers ... Utah. I suspect due to the large Mormon population.
Not surprised- old, poor states.
There is a ton to do in West Virginia as a resident besides smoke and drink. Really it probably is the last state to feel like it is still in a blue collar/rust belt free for all economically.
There is a ton to do if you like outdoor activities, if you don't there isn't much.
Hence why I emphasized "residents." I got a lot of family in West Virginia, a lot of the aren't enthralled about exploring their home state. It's not too dissimilar to how Michigan was in the late 1990a.
I think you meant "Isn't".
My point was that most folks aren't going to bully you into making a terrible lifelong decision like smoking, where as many other "man card items" are usually collectively supported...working with tools, watching sports, read a map, drink beer...et cetera. These are typical examples; to wit, I'm not massively into sports anymore and don't drink much in the way of beer (see my post). Maybe a bit more in tobacco-growing area, but not once have been asked "why don't you smoke?" from lots of visits along that area of the country.
Only a teenager is going to convince another kid to smoke or vape, because it seems cool to them, and they don't want to appear to be the only one doing it.
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I don't think there's too many people who suggest smoking is somehow "manly" in the last couple of decades.
Quote from: formulanone on July 27, 2021, 08:01:01 AM
most folks aren't going to bully you into making a terrible lifelong decision like smoking
That wasn't my point.
My point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have
never smoked anything at all–not even once. To wit, I think I can count on one h and the number of others on here who have said they never have either.
For the record, I would consider smoking a pipe–primarily because I know it takes a bit of effort to maintain a pipe and keep the smoke going, and I'd therefore be less likely to smoke it all the time. But I think cigarette smoke smells absolutely disgusting and I have no idea why anyone would want to stick one of those in his mouth.
I've joked for years that they should legalize marijuana and outlaw tobacco... Just because of the smell.
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:01:22 PM
My point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have never smoked anything at all–not even once. To wit, I think I can count on one h and the number of others on here who have said they never have either.
I haven't smoked in my life, and I never plan to.
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:01:22 PMMy point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have never smoked anything at all–not even once. To wit, I think I can count on one h and the number of others on here who have said they never have either.
I have seen studies use definitions of lifelong nonsmoker that include people who have smoked a fairly small number of cigarettes (say 100 total) over their lives. It is somewhat similar to how Toyota allows a drive belt to be considered "never used" if the vehicle has been run for 10 minutes or less with it installed (separate deflection measurements are quoted for used and never-used belts).
This said, I have personally never smoked, not even once, and I don't think that is uncommon, especially for lifelong nonsmokers from smoking households. There is an aversion that builds up from the negatives of living with secondhand smoke (stinky clothes, endless colds, etc.) that takes decades to get over. Even now I cannot stand to be downwind of a cigarette smoker when I am walking down the street.
Quote from: Big John on July 26, 2021, 11:59:24 PM
John Denver liked WV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vrEljMfXYo
Or, at least, he liked western Virginia.
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Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:01:22 PM
My point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have never smoked anything at all–not even once. To wit, I think I can count on one h and the number of others on here who have said they never have either.
I haven't smoked in my life, and I never plan to.
No one really plans to. I don't think 15 year olds are jumping out of bed, screaming for joy at the thought of buying their first cigarette off that senior behind the bleachers. No, rather it's almost entirely peer pressure. I don't really like that term, but basically it just ends up happening because you end up surrounded by people doing it, and maybe for the first time ever you just feel like "going along with it".
I've hit a few blunts and vaped occasionally. Never regularly. Certainly never bought anything. Always happened with friends. But I'm in WA, the first state to legally permit recreational marijuana use, so I run into marijuana a lot, and a lot of people either smoke it regularly or have at least tried it. So by last summer, when I hit that first blunt on the beach, it had been normalized enough I really didn't see the need to be so conservative about it anymore.
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Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:01:22 PM
My point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have never smoked anything at all–not even once. To wit, I think I can count on one h and the number of others on here who have said they never have either.
I haven't smoked in my life, and I never plan to.
No one really plans to. I don't think 15 year olds are jumping out of bed, screaming for joy at the thought of buying their first cigarette off that senior behind the bleachers. No, rather it's almost entirely peer pressure. I don't really like that term, but basically it just ends up happening because you end up surrounded by people doing it, and maybe for the first time ever you just feel like "going along with it".
I've hit a few blunts and vaped occasionally. Never regularly. Certainly never bought anything. Always happened with friends. But I'm in WA, the first state to legally permit recreational marijuana use, so I run into marijuana a lot, and a lot of people either smoke it regularly or have at least tried it. So by last summer, when I hit that first blunt on the beach, it had been normalized enough I really didn't see the need to be so conservative about it anymore.
I don't have a moral issue with pot, but smoking it is horrible for your lungs. Not as bad as cigarettes, but still bad. Stick with edibles, folks.
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Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:01:22 PM
My point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have never smoked anything at all–not even once. To wit, I think I can count on one h and the number of others on here who have said they never have either.
I haven't smoked in my life, and I never plan to.
Same here. My parents did and I thought it was disgusting. Not that I was going to take it up at age 36, but my father dying of bladder cancer 7 years ago (the lead cause of it being smoking) confirmed I was smart to never start.
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:01:59 PM
I've joked for years that they should legalize marijuana and outlaw tobacco... Just because of the smell.
I can't stand the smell of either. But while tobacco smoke is merely an irritant, marijuana smoke gives me a headache if I'm around it.
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Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:01:59 PM
I've joked for years that they should legalize marijuana and outlaw tobacco... Just because of the smell.
I can't stand the smell of either. But while tobacco smoke is merely an irritant, marijuana smoke gives me a headache if I'm around it.
I'm the exact opposite. I don't enjoy the smell of marijuana smoke but cigarette smoke makes me sick.
Quote from: cabiness42 on July 27, 2021, 01:43:02 PM
I don't have a moral issue with pot, but smoking it is horrible for your lungs. Not as bad as cigarettes, but still bad. Stick with edibles, folks.
The problem with edibles is you never know what you're going to get. If I drink a 7.0% IPA, I know in general what kind of buzz (or not) I'll get. If I have an edible, different ones from the same container will affect you massively differently. A couple months ago, I took a 5:1 CBD to THC edible (for those who don't indulge, read: not strong) when I was winding down after work. About 10 minutes later I got massive tunnel vision, realized I needed to lay down immediately, so tried to get up to my bed and passed out on the way there. I came to about five seconds later and felt almost completely sober. I had previously taken some from the same package and didn't feel a thing. Smoking isn't great for you, so I go for the mini-pens which seem to do the trick for me.
Chris
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Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:01:22 PM
My point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have never smoked anything at all–not even once. To wit, I think I can count on one h and the number of others on here who have said they never have either.
I haven't smoked in my life, and I never plan to.
No one really plans to. I don't think 15 year olds are jumping out of bed, screaming for joy at the thought of buying their first cigarette off that senior behind the bleachers. No, rather it's almost entirely peer pressure. I don't really like that term, but basically it just ends up happening because you end up surrounded by people doing it, and maybe for the first time ever you just feel like "going along with it".
I've hit a few blunts and vaped occasionally. Never regularly. Certainly never bought anything. Always happened with friends. But I'm in WA, the first state to legally permit recreational marijuana use, so I run into marijuana a lot, and a lot of people either smoke it regularly or have at least tried it. So by last summer, when I hit that first blunt on the beach, it had been normalized enough I really didn't see the need to be so conservative about it anymore.
I term myself a 2 pack-per life smoker. Just wasn't my thing. I have other vices instead.
My dad was a smoker, but he smoked thin cigars because they were cheaper, or pipes. When he had appendicitis, while recovering told my mom to throw out his tobacco stuff. Quit cold turkey, and never smoked again, except for 1 cigar when he was around his brothers one holiday.
I also worked in bowling alleys in my youth, back when smoking was so common inside you could barely see from one end to the other when all 44 lanes of my bowling center were being used. The second-hand smoke I was taking in was insane.
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Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:01:22 PM
My point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have never smoked anything at all–not even once. To wit, I think I can count on one h and the number of others on here who have said they never have either.
I haven't smoked in my life, and I never plan to.
No one really plans to. I don't think 15 year olds are jumping out of bed, screaming for joy at the thought of buying their first cigarette off that senior behind the bleachers. No, rather it's almost entirely peer pressure. I don't really like that term, but basically it just ends up happening because you end up surrounded by people doing it, and maybe for the first time ever you just feel like "going along with it".
I've hit a few blunts and vaped occasionally. Never regularly. Certainly never bought anything. Always happened with friends. But I'm in WA, the first state to legally permit recreational marijuana use, so I run into marijuana a lot, and a lot of people either smoke it regularly or have at least tried it. So by last summer, when I hit that first blunt on the beach, it had been normalized enough I really didn't see the need to be so conservative about it anymore.
I term myself a 2 pack-per life smoker. Just wasn't my thing. I have other vices instead.
My dad was a smoker, but he smoked thin cigars because they were cheaper, or pipes. When he had appendicitis, while recovering told my mom to throw out his tobacco stuff. Quit cold turkey, and never smoked again, except for 1 cigar when he was around his brothers one holiday.
I also worked in bowling alleys in my youth, back when smoking was so common inside you could barely see from one end to the other when all 44 lanes of my bowling center were being used. The second-hand smoke I was taking in was insane.
At my first restaurant job I ever had, I worked the smoking section fairly regularly. The tips were better because turns out that those who smoke tended to drink more and order more appetizers. Smelling my work uniform at the end of the night was cringe worthy.
Chris
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 01:49:53 PM
The problem with edibles is you never know what you're going to get.
From what I've heard, it's also really easy to take more than you intend to. I mean, who doesn't love to wolf down a bunch of cookies?
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 01:54:59 PM
At my first restaurant job I ever had, I worked the smoking section fairly regularly. The tips were better because turns out that those who smoke tended to drink more and order more appetizers.
Yeah, I can understand bars not liking indoor smoking bans.
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Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 01:49:53 PM
The problem with edibles is you never know what you're going to get.
From what I've heard, it's also really easy to take more than you intend to. I mean, who doesn't love to wolf down a bunch of cookies?
I managed arguably the highest end steakhouse in Denver when I moved back here and Colorado was one of the few states with recreational. We had business people who would take one, not feel anything after twenty minutes, and then take another. Then they'd come into the restaurant for a business dinner and indulge in a martini then maybe a glass of wine and then the edible would hit them and they'd go catatonic. We had one woman urinate on herself because she got so messed up. Do some research people. :)
Chris
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 27, 2021, 01:51:53 PM
I also worked in bowling alleys in my youth, back when smoking was so common inside you could barely see from one end to the other when all 44 lanes of my bowling center were being used. The second-hand smoke I was taking in was insane.
I only ever witnessed smoking indoors outside of WA (where it seems to have been banned for a long time): in bars in St Louis County, MO, where I spent several summers in the late 2000s/early 2010s, as well as in Texas at some restaurants (Chilis in particular), where I was taken aback at the "smoking or non-smoking" question. Sorry, but does smoke only stay on one side of restaurants? Because last I checked, it's the same air.
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Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 01:57:57 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 01:49:53 PM
The problem with edibles is you never know what you're going to get.
From what I've heard, it's also really easy to take more than you intend to. I mean, who doesn't love to wolf down a bunch of cookies?
I managed arguably the highest end steakhouse in Denver when I moved back here and Colorado was one of the few states with recreational. We had business people who would take one, not feel anything after twenty minutes, and then take another. Then they'd come into the restaurant for a business dinner and indulge in a martini then maybe a glass of wine and then the edible would hit them and they'd go catatonic. We had one woman urinate on herself because she got so messed up. Do some research people. :)
Chris
That's gotta be extremely dangerous if someone gets wasted like that while driving. I have nothing against making marijuana legal though, but it should only be for those over 21.
Quote from: CoreySamson on July 27, 2021, 02:05:32 PM
That's gotta be extremely dangerous if someone gets wasted like that while driving. I have nothing against making marijuana legal though, but it should only be for those over 21.
But ...
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 01:49:53 PM
A couple months ago, I took a 5:1 CBD to THC edible (for those who don't indulge, read: not strong) when I was winding down after work. About 10 minutes later I got massive tunnel vision, realized I needed to lay down immediately, so tried to get up to my bed and passed out on the way there. I came to about five seconds later and felt almost completely sober.
... doesn't sound like a good idea if it had happened while driving.
Quote from: jakeroot on July 27, 2021, 02:02:23 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 27, 2021, 01:51:53 PM
I also worked in bowling alleys in my youth, back when smoking was so common inside you could barely see from one end to the other when all 44 lanes of my bowling center were being used. The second-hand smoke I was taking in was insane.
I only ever witnessed smoking indoors outside of WA (where it seems to have been banned for a long time): in bars in St Louis County, MO, where I spent several summers in the late 2000s/early 2010s, as well as in Texas at some restaurants (Chilis in particular), where I was taken aback at the "smoking or non-smoking" question. Sorry, but does smoke only stay on one side of restaurants? Because last I checked, it's the same air.
Back in 1996 I went into a Hardee's in eastern North Carolina, I think in Kenansville because I was in that area on business, and I found there was a single table designated as the non-smoking "section." I, of course, sat at that table. You would have thought I was a toad rapist or something the way the other people in the restaurant were giving me the stink eye for sitting there.
Quote from: jakeroot on July 27, 2021, 02:02:23 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 27, 2021, 01:51:53 PM
I also worked in bowling alleys in my youth, back when smoking was so common inside you could barely see from one end to the other when all 44 lanes of my bowling center were being used. The second-hand smoke I was taking in was insane.
I only ever witnessed smoking indoors outside of WA (where it seems to have been banned for a long time): in bars in St Louis County, MO, where I spent several summers in the late 2000s/early 2010s, as well as in Texas at some restaurants (Chilis in particular), where I was taken aback at the "smoking or non-smoking" question. Sorry, but does smoke only stay on one side of restaurants? Because last I checked, it's the same air.
At least at the restaurants I worked with a smoking section, we either had a separate room (which had a door that was obviously open to the non-smoking area) or an air curtain between the spaces.
Chris
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 01:57:57 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 01:49:53 PM
The problem with edibles is you never know what you're going to get.
From what I've heard, it's also really easy to take more than you intend to. I mean, who doesn't love to wolf down a bunch of cookies?
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 01:54:59 PM
At my first restaurant job I ever had, I worked the smoking section fairly regularly. The tips were better because turns out that those who smoke tended to drink more and order more appetizers.
Yeah, I can understand bars not liking indoor smoking bans.
NJ & NV carved out a big exception for casinos, because people that like to gamble like to drink and smoke. NJ originally included the casinos in the smoking ban, but all those do-gooders that didn't want smoking in casinos, claiming they don't like the smoke, apparently also aren't gamblers because they didn't show up. The state then said casinos could have smoking 'rooms' that were mainly large closets so people didn't have to go outside, but then backed off the smoking ban and allowed smoking on up to 25% of the casino floor.
In NJ casinos, one of the last Covid restrictions was a continued ban on smoking thru July 3, 2021, and some had hoped a permanent ban on indoor smoking would occur, but it didn't happen.
Quote from: jakeroot on July 27, 2021, 02:02:23 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 27, 2021, 01:51:53 PM
I also worked in bowling alleys in my youth, back when smoking was so common inside you could barely see from one end to the other when all 44 lanes of my bowling center were being used. The second-hand smoke I was taking in was insane.
I only ever witnessed smoking indoors outside of WA (where it seems to have been banned for a long time): in bars in St Louis County, MO, where I spent several summers in the late 2000s/early 2010s, as well as in Texas at some restaurants (Chilis in particular), where I was taken aback at the "smoking or non-smoking" question. Sorry, but does smoke only stay on one side of restaurants? Because last I checked, it's the same air.
Yep...that was definitely one of the (obviously true) claims people used to encourage lawmakers to ban smoking indoors.
I still remember when a McDonalds near me first instituted a smoking/non-smoking section in the 1980's. The "non-smoking" section was two booths...among all the other booths where parents could smoke while their kids munched on their happy meals.
My office building opened in 1992, and had small ashtrays in the bathrooms. Smoking was banned inside a year or two later. Those ashtrays, part of the toilet paper assembly, remained until last decade when they remodeled.
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on July 27, 2021, 02:05:32 PM
That's gotta be extremely dangerous if someone gets wasted like that while driving. I have nothing against making marijuana legal though, but it should only be for those over 21.
But ...
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 01:49:53 PM
A couple months ago, I took a 5:1 CBD to THC edible (for those who don't indulge, read: not strong) when I was winding down after work. About 10 minutes later I got massive tunnel vision, realized I needed to lay down immediately, so tried to get up to my bed and passed out on the way there. I came to about five seconds later and felt almost completely sober.
... doesn't sound like a good idea if it had happened while driving.
I don't think Corey was saying that smoking and driving should be legal. Just the weed in general. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Weed for me is definitely a "do at home when your brain is racing because of stress and you want to relax" kind of drug. I don't understand people who can do it socially because it does not affect me that way. More than one hit and I'm a mute.
Chris
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 27, 2021, 02:13:42 PM
The state then said casinos could have smoking 'rooms' that were mainly large closets so people didn't have to go outside ...
I remember when Amtrak had smoking rooms on the bottom level of its Superliner cars. Good grief, you'd have to pay me to even go in there!
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 02:14:37 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on July 27, 2021, 02:05:32 PM
That's gotta be extremely dangerous if someone gets wasted like that while driving. I have nothing against making marijuana legal though, but it should only be for those over 21.
But ...
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 01:49:53 PM
A couple months ago, I took a 5:1 CBD to THC edible (for those who don't indulge, read: not strong) when I was winding down after work. About 10 minutes later I got massive tunnel vision, realized I needed to lay down immediately, so tried to get up to my bed and passed out on the way there. I came to about five seconds later and felt almost completely sober.
... doesn't sound like a good idea if it had happened while driving.
I don't think Corey was saying that smoking and driving should be legal. Just the weed in general. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Weed for me is definitely a "do at home when your brain is racing because of stress and you want to relax kind of drug". I don't understand people who can do it socially because it does not affect me that way. More than one hit and I'm a mute.
Chris
Precisely what I was saying. After all, alcohol is legal, but that does not condone drinking and driving. It should be the same with psychoactive drugs (no driving while intoxicated).
Quote from: CoreySamson on July 27, 2021, 02:18:06 PM
Precisely what I was saying. After all, alcohol is legal, but that does not condone drinking and driving. It should be the same with psychoactive drugs (no driving while intoxicated).
Except that it's legal to drink and drive–so long as your BAC isn't above a certain level.
|jayhawkco| only had the one "not strong" edible, and the resulting effect was that he briefly passed out ten minutes later.
I'm just old enough to remember the final few years of Minnesota permitting smoking in restaurants. The Perkins near my house had the smoking section on the far side from the entrance, separated by windows and doors. I thought about it recently when I went to an older Chinese restaurant near my work; they never removed their "SMOKING" section sign, just pasted a "NO" next to it.
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 02:23:47 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on July 27, 2021, 02:18:06 PM
Precisely what I was saying. After all, alcohol is legal, but that does not condone drinking and driving. It should be the same with psychoactive drugs (no driving while intoxicated).
Except that it's legal to drink and drive–so long as your BAC isn't above a certain level.
|jayhawkco| only had the one "not strong" edible, and the resulting effect was that he briefly passed out ten minutes later.
Eh, I think if you have
any alcohol in your system, you shouldn't be driving. Ditto for marijuana or any other psychoactive drug. That may not be the law, but I think that's what we should strive for. Speaking of that, is there some sort of test for psychoactive drugs that police officers could use to keep people safe on the road?
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 02:23:47 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on July 27, 2021, 02:18:06 PM
Precisely what I was saying. After all, alcohol is legal, but that does not condone drinking and driving. It should be the same with psychoactive drugs (no driving while intoxicated).
Except that it's legal to drink and drive–so long as your BAC isn't above a certain level.
|jayhawkco| only had the one "not strong" edible, and the resulting effect was that he briefly passed out ten minutes later.
My comment was meant more to be a remark on the production "precision" of edibles, not really to say that there is no baseline for which it wouldn't be safe to drive. It affects everyone quite differently and obviously some people can do a lot more than I. I wouldn't, however, refrain from running a quick errand or something if I had taken a small puff, waited maybe 30 minutes to determine its effect, and then proceeded. It affects you quite differently than alcohol where alcohol "catches up with you". Vapor or smoke will affect you at its peak efficacy almost instantly.
Chris
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 27, 2021, 02:13:42 PM
My office building opened in 1992, and had small ashtrays in the bathrooms. Smoking was banned inside a year or two later. Those ashtrays, part of the toilet paper assembly, remained until last decade when they remodeled.
The thought of someone smoking whilst using the toilet is amusing, to say the least.
My grandma tells me about smoking in grocery stores. That's another place that seem like the worst place to smoke, since that smell would infiltrate the food I would think.
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 27, 2021, 02:08:25 PM
Back in 1996 I went into a Hardee's in eastern North Carolina, I think in Kenansville because I was in that area on business, and I found there was a single table designated as the non-smoking "section." I, of course, sat at that table. You would have thought I was a toad rapist or something the way the other people in the restaurant were giving me the stink eye for sitting there.
I seem to recall visiting some restaurants here in Washington where some tables had no smoking signs, but not others. I guess when the law banned smoking indoors (apart from casinos), rather than remove the signs they just didn't implement them any further. I'm sure whatever ones I can recall have since disappeared.
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 02:31:02 PM
My comment was meant more to be a remark on the production "precision" of edibles, not really to say that there is no baseline for which it wouldn't be safe to drive. It affects everyone quite differently and obviously some people can do a lot more than I. I wouldn't, however, refrain from running a quick errand or something if I had taken a small puff, waited maybe 30 minutes to determine its effect, and then proceeded. It affects you quite differently than alcohol where alcohol "catches up with you". Vapor or smoke will affect you at its peak efficacy almost instantly.
I can easily imagine finishing dinner, then taking a single shot of Amaretto after dessert, and then getting in the car to drive away–behind the wheel within ten minutes of the drink. But I have a hard time imagining that single shot of liquor to have such a large and unexpected consequence.
I wasn't so much saying there can't be a legal driving threshold for marijuana use, but that–if things can be that variable–I'm hesitant.
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 02:50:20 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 02:31:02 PM
My comment was meant more to be a remark on the production "precision" of edibles, not really to say that there is no baseline for which it wouldn't be safe to drive. It affects everyone quite differently and obviously some people can do a lot more than I. I wouldn't, however, refrain from running a quick errand or something if I had taken a small puff, waited maybe 30 minutes to determine its effect, and then proceeded. It affects you quite differently than alcohol where alcohol "catches up with you". Vapor or smoke will affect you at its peak efficacy almost instantly.
I can easily imagine finishing dinner, then taking a single shot of Amaretto after dessert, and then getting in the car to drive away–behind the wheel within ten minutes of the drink. But I have a hard time imagining that single shot of liquor to have such a large and unexpected consequence.
I wasn't so much saying there can't be a legal driving threshold for marijuana use, but that–if things can be that variable–I'm hesitant.
I'm not in disagreement with you. I just know for me, metabolizing in my stomach is more random than inhaling. Inhaling, I feel like I have the wherewithal to understand my abilities, where an edible would make me not even think about driving for at least 2-3 hours. Either way, I think maybe I've made a McDonald's run maybe once ever after having partaken, and I made sure it was a very minimal effect when I did. I understand if others wouldn't even be phased by more, but for me, that was plenty. Like I said upthread, it's an "at home when it's late" kind of activity for me, so no driving required.
Chris
Quote from: CoreySamson on July 27, 2021, 02:29:54 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 02:23:47 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on July 27, 2021, 02:18:06 PM
Precisely what I was saying. After all, alcohol is legal, but that does not condone drinking and driving. It should be the same with psychoactive drugs (no driving while intoxicated).
Except that it's legal to drink and drive–so long as your BAC isn't above a certain level.
|jayhawkco| only had the one "not strong" edible, and the resulting effect was that he briefly passed out ten minutes later.
Eh, I think if you have any alcohol in your system, you shouldn't be driving...
And yet, most bars and restaurants serving alcohol are in commercial zones, often far removed from residential zones.
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 27, 2021, 02:08:25 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on July 27, 2021, 02:02:23 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 27, 2021, 01:51:53 PM
I also worked in bowling alleys in my youth, back when smoking was so common inside you could barely see from one end to the other when all 44 lanes of my bowling center were being used. The second-hand smoke I was taking in was insane.
I only ever witnessed smoking indoors outside of WA (where it seems to have been banned for a long time): in bars in St Louis County, MO, where I spent several summers in the late 2000s/early 2010s, as well as in Texas at some restaurants (Chilis in particular), where I was taken aback at the "smoking or non-smoking" question. Sorry, but does smoke only stay on one side of restaurants? Because last I checked, it's the same air.
Back in 1996 I went into a Hardee's in eastern North Carolina, I think in Kenansville because I was in that area on business, and I found there was a single table designated as the non-smoking "section." I, of course, sat at that table. You would have thought I was a toad rapist or something the way the other people in the restaurant were giving me the stink eye for sitting there.
I spent 14 years in eastern NC (1995-2009), two of which were in Warsaw (1998-2000), and this doesn't surprise me a bit. The smokers there typically don't care whether or not someone else doesn't smoke, but they do NOT like having separate areas for smokers & non-smokers.
That said, if you were new to that area, I'd wager that had a bigger factor on the stink eye. I found out firsthand that people in Duplin County are very tight-knit and are not very welcoming to "outsiders". We moved there from Wayne County next door, and we got the cold shoulder as if we moved in from another state. That's why we moved back over the county line after only 2 years. Fuck Duplin County.
I have never smoked.
And, 1 out of 4 adults being smokers in WV is still a much smaller percentage than when I was a kid and a tiny fraction of when Boomers were kids.
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 02:23:47 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on July 27, 2021, 02:18:06 PM
Precisely what I was saying. After all, alcohol is legal, but that does not condone drinking and driving. It should be the same with psychoactive drugs (no driving while intoxicated).
Except that it's legal to drink and drive–so long as your BAC isn't above a certain level.
|jayhawkco| only had the one "not strong" edible, and the resulting effect was that he briefly passed out ten minutes later.
The Oklahoma regulations for marijuana flower (i.e. smokable marijuana, not edibles, since that's the part of the industry I'm in and thus know the regulations for offhand) require that a grower supply a small sample of each harvest batch to a licensed laboratory that issues a Certificate of Analysis that declares THC and CBD content, terpenes present (the various chemicals that control taste and influence specific physical and mental effects), and general safety for consumption. The problem is, however, a harvest batch is simply a batch of plants of the same strain all harvested at once, up to ten pounds of bud. Since plants grown from seed (rather than cloned from trimmings) are all going to have unique genetics, and each plant will be subject to slightly different growing conditions (might be right under a light or off to the side, might be closer to the door/air vent/fan or farther away from one) each plant's output will be subtly different, and even buds on the same plant may differ because some are from high up the stem and others grew in the shade of other branches. So you can't necessarily depend on the COA to be 100% representative of the exact material you get.
I've only skimmed the processor section, as I'm not in that part of the industry, but from what I remember their testing requirements are somewhat the same. It is also possible that THC distillate may not be uniformly mixed into an edible product, such that different portions of the same edible have differing effects (e.g. a chocolate bar certified as 20% THC might well have 10% on one end and 30% on the other).
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:01:22 PM
My point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have never smoked anything at all–not even once. To wit, I think I can count on one h and the number of others on here who have said they never have either.
I never have, and among other men I know I'm definitely not alone... but I am in the minority, sure. That said, if you specify "have never smoked a cigarette" then that is definitely true of most men I know. It is far more commonplace for someone to have smoked an occasional cigar, or cannabis.
Lower the smoking age back to 18! As well as drinking...
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 27, 2021, 08:18:25 PM
Lower the smoking age back to 18! As well as drinking...
Lower the drinking age to 18 and make nicotine Schedule I Narcotic. Legalize Cannabis or at least bump it down to a more reasonable Schedule III-V.
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 27, 2021, 08:18:25 PM
Lower the smoking age back to 18! As well as drinking...
Everyone drinks underage anyway so might as well.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 27, 2021, 09:51:57 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 27, 2021, 08:18:25 PM
Lower the smoking age back to 18! As well as drinking...
Everyone drinks underage anyway so might as well.
I used to drink legit in Quebec at 18 and Ontario at 19. But I would be remiss to say I've been drinking consistently since I was 13. I had my first beer with my older brother at the age of 9 (he was 16).
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 27, 2021, 09:55:18 PM
But I would be remiss to say I've been drinking consistently since I was 13.
Lush. :D
Quote from: Rothman on July 27, 2021, 09:58:08 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 27, 2021, 09:55:18 PM
But I would be remiss to say I've been drinking consistently since I was 13.
Lush. :D
My Dad sure thought so for awhile. Oddly outside of a handful of times I haven't really "binge drank" or had much in the way of hangovers. Usually 3-5 drinks is enough for me, after that I just get sleepy.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 27, 2021, 09:55:18 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 27, 2021, 09:51:57 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 27, 2021, 08:18:25 PM
Lower the smoking age back to 18! As well as drinking...
Everyone drinks underage anyway so might as well.
I used to drink legit in Quebec at 18 and Ontario at 19. But I would be remiss to say I've been drinking consistently since I was 13. I had my first beer with my older brother at the age of 9 (he was 16).
I drank legitimately at 18 as well - Turned 18 while living in Florida, which had the minimum drinking age at 18 from (I believe) 1973 to 1980. Just in time for my freshman year at college. (As with most people, my first drink actually came earlier than that) :spin:
People are against the rules of drinking and smoking. I think they made a mistake when they rose the smoking age to 21.
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 01:57:57 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 01:49:53 PM
The problem with edibles is you never know what you're going to get.
From what I've heard, it's also really easy to take more than you intend to. I mean, who doesn't love to wolf down a bunch of cookies?
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 01:54:59 PM
At my first restaurant job I ever had, I worked the smoking section fairly regularly. The tips were better because turns out that those who smoke tended to drink more and order more appetizers.
Yeah, I can understand bars not liking indoor smoking bans.
I've heard it takes 4 hrs to get off on edibles, true??
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:01:59 PM
I've joked for years that they should legalize marijuana and outlaw tobacco... Just because of the smell.
you.....
..... might be onto something there.
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on July 28, 2021, 01:19:03 AM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:01:59 PM
I've joked for years that they should legalize marijuana and outlaw tobacco... Just because of the smell.
you.....
..... might be onto something there.
Marijuana smells just as bad as tobacco (at least I think so), it saturates everything all the same. I can always tell when someone smokes marijuana in their house or car.
Quote from: allniter89 on July 27, 2021, 11:16:49 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 01:57:57 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 01:49:53 PM
The problem with edibles is you never know what you're going to get.
From what I've heard, it's also really easy to take more than you intend to. I mean, who doesn't love to wolf down a bunch of cookies?
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 01:54:59 PM
At my first restaurant job I ever had, I worked the smoking section fairly regularly. The tips were better because turns out that those who smoke tended to drink more and order more appetizers.
Yeah, I can understand bars not liking indoor smoking bans.
I've heard it takes 4 hrs to get off on edibles, true??
Depends on how you're defining "get off". The onset is variable, and then normally I cease feeling anything after a couple of hours.
Chris
Quote from: Duke87 on July 27, 2021, 07:47:48 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:01:22 PM
My point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have never smoked anything at all–not even once. To wit, I think I can count on one h and the number of others on here who have said they never have either.
I never have, and among other men I know I'm definitely not alone... but I am in the minority, sure. That said, if you specify "have never smoked a cigarette" then that is definitely true of most men I know. It is far more commonplace for someone to have smoked an occasional cigar, or cannabis.
Count me among the few who have never smoked anything. I'm old enough where second-hand smoke was everywhere when I was growing up. Holds zero appeal to me.
I also don't drink but I have at least tried it. Don't care for the taste of alcohol at all. It's all I taste, even when the alcohol content is low like wine or sangria.
Being unsober in any capacity also holds zero appeal for me.
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:01:59 PM
I've joked for years that they should legalize marijuana and outlaw tobacco... Just because of the smell.
I don't like the smell of either of them, but marijuana seems to be the worse of the two.
Pretty much what Mapmikey said applies to me. I've never smoked anything (first hand) and have no desire to do so and avoid second hand smoke or its stale residue as much as possible. I don't drink at all, other than a few sips participating in a toast at a wedding or something like that. I've really disliked the feeling after taking even small doses of painkillers prescribed to me after surgeries and don't see why I'd want to induce similar sensations by choice.
I have been checking in on this thread occasionally and have been amused by some of the "man card" criteria that were mentioned. If one needed to change his own car's oil to qualify, those cards would be very hard to come by among the men I know..
I have changed my own oil, but I found that since shops buy their oil wholesale and dispose of it wholesale I was paying as much to do it myself as I was by having it done.
Quote from: kkt on July 28, 2021, 09:30:13 AM
I have changed my own oil, but I found that since shops buy their oil wholesale and dispose of it wholesale I was paying as much to do it myself as I was by having it done.
That's a huge problem here. I did a couple oil changes myself and I couldn't find a place that would take my drain pan contents.
Quote from: kkt on July 28, 2021, 09:30:13 AM
I have changed my own oil, but I found that since shops buy their oil wholesale and dispose of it wholesale I was paying as much to do it myself as I was by having it done.
When I was a young child, we lived on a dead-end street. The street dead-ended at a railroad. My dad used to just take the used motor oil up to the tracks and pour it on the railroad ties. Probably technically illegal, but solved the disposal issue.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 10:15:10 AM
Quote from: kkt on July 28, 2021, 09:30:13 AM
I have changed my own oil, but I found that since shops buy their oil wholesale and dispose of it wholesale I was paying as much to do it myself as I was by having it done.
That's a huge problem here. I did a couple oil changes myself and I couldn't find a place that would take my drain pan contents.
AutoZone and PepBoys right by me both take my used oil. I only do my own oil changes because both of our cars take full synthetic and I'm not paying $100 for an oil change that lasts ten minutes.
Chris
Quote from: kphoger on July 28, 2021, 10:21:28 AM
Quote from: kkt on July 28, 2021, 09:30:13 AM
I have changed my own oil, but I found that since shops buy their oil wholesale and dispose of it wholesale I was paying as much to do it myself as I was by having it done.
When I was a young child, we lived on a dead-end street. The street dead-ended at a railroad. My dad used to just take the used motor oil up to the tracks and pour it on the railroad ties. Probably technically illegal, but solved the disposal issue.
Also makes for fantastic herbicide in the backyard. And for what it's worth none of the name brand auto part stores would take mine locally.
Probably different regulations in CA. In Ohio I think the auto parts stores are required to take it, or at least the chains have all decided to.
Both my parents smoked when I was young. At some point in my youth, my dad quit cold turkey. I don't know if it was for health reasons, monetary reasons, or what his motivation was. I'm not sure where he picked up the habit. Possibly when he was in the Army.
My mother, sadly, never quit. She developed bladder cancer at age 49 that was attributable to smoking. That cancer spread to her liver, and eventually her brain, and she died about a year and change after her diagnosis. What's sad is that her father died of emphysema caused by years of smoking. I never knew my grandpa as a smoker (he chewed tobacco) but the time he smoked caused him to develop emphysema.
After college, I worked in a small office with two heavy smokers. I would come out of work reeking. My clothes, my body, my hair. It was nasty. My next job was also in an environment where there were several smokers. I was happy when my boss banned smoking in the building because it meant that I didn't have to take a change of clothes with me if I planned to go somewhere directly after work to keep from stinking.
I hate to go into a business that allows smoking, or a home or apartment where the resident smokes, because the smell sticks my clothing. There are still a few small, rural stores where smoking is permitted inside, as there is no law or ordinance forbidding it.
In my current job, in our old office. the designated smoking room was the break room where the vending machines were located. The whole building smelled like smoke, and my first office was located right next to that room. That didn't make me happy. I got to move to the other side of the building a year or so later, which helped some. Then smoking was banned, first inside the building, then on state property in general. (The latter is widely ignored, people still go outside but still on the property and no one enforces the executive order).
I just never felt a desire to even try cigarettes, or any illegal substance or improper use of a legal prescription.
As for drinking, it's very rare that I will consume alcohol. I have yet to find an alcoholic beverage for which I really like the taste except wine coolers, so to me the only reason to drink alcohol is to become intoxicated. And I have no desire to alter my state of consciousness. I'm hesitant to get behind the wheel of a vehicle even after consuming only one or two drinks as typically defined (a 12-oz. beer, 1 oz. of liquor, or whatever the wine equivalent is these days), not because I think my judgment or driving ability would be impaired, but I just don't want to run the risk of getting pulled over and dealing with those consequences. (My balance and coordination are such that I'd struggle to pass a field sobriety test as it is.) Plus, alcohol aggravates gout, and the gout flares I've experienced in both of my knees are not something I ever want to experience again. And I'm on a number of prescription medications that discourage the use of alcohol.
Quote from: GCrites80s on July 28, 2021, 11:41:07 AM
Probably different regulations in CA. In Ohio I think the auto parts stores are required to take it, or at least the chains have all decided to.
I never looked too deeply into it but I assume that is the reason why. Making things difficult is why I don't recycle cans or bottles either. If it's easy I'll partake in cycling efforts but if not I won't. Either way, I just started going to oil change places as of late given I don't have the time to do things like oil changes myself all they often now.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 10:15:10 AMThat's a huge problem here. I did a couple oil changes myself and I couldn't find a place that would take my drain pan contents.
Quote from: kkt on July 28, 2021, 09:30:13 AMI have changed my own oil, but I found that since shops buy their oil wholesale and dispose of it wholesale I was paying as much to do it myself as I was by having it done.
I know rules are a little different on the west coast, but I'm surprised there is a charge to dispose of used motor oil, because that creates a perverse incentive to dump it in environmentally sensitive areas.
Quote from: kphoger on July 28, 2021, 10:21:28 AMWhen I was a young child, we lived on a dead-end street. The street dead-ended at a railroad. My dad used to just take the used motor oil up to the tracks and pour it on the railroad ties. Probably technically illegal, but solved the disposal issue.
My former gym buddy (born in the late 1950's) remembers his father disposing of old oil by pouring it along the fence line on their property.
As for me, I have disposed of old oil a number of ways over the years:
* I have poured it into the bottles the new oil came in, marked them "Used," and left them at a repair shop.
* When our neighbor was still working as head of the parts department at a GMC dealership that has since closed, he took the old oil to work in his pickup truck. We were later told they burned it as fuel in their boiler.
* I've lived for several months in Riverdale Park, Maryland. At the time (mid-1990's--this may no longer be true), Greenbelt Park nearby had a public-access waste oil storage tank and I used to decant my old oil into it, often in the small hours of the morning. (I could locate the drain bolt and filter by feel, so I thought nothing of changing the oil after dark by the feeble illumination of a battery-powered lantern.)
* I now take old oil and automatic transmission fluid (which counts as waste oil for disposal purposes) to the Sedgwick County household hazardous waste disposal facility, which is on the same street as the county garage near West High in near-southwest Wichita. There is no charge for county residents, but they do ask you to sign a clipboard with your name, license plate number, and ZIP code.
Auto dealer parts departments, auto parts stores, etc. tend to be more enthusiastic about accepting spent ethylene glycol coolant for disposal because it is easy to recycle and re-use. BG Products, based in Wichita, used to (and may still) make a machine that sucks old coolant out of a car, cleans it and restores the additive package, and pumps it back in.
Quote from: J N Winkler on July 28, 2021, 12:38:41 PM
Greenbelt Park nearby had a public-access waste oil storage tank and I used to decant my old oil into it ...
Decanting your motor oil? Does that diminish any "off" flavors? I just leave the cap off for a few minutes before serving, plus I use
cheap aerator (https://www.amazon.com/Haleys-Corker-Aerator-Stopper-Pourer/dp/B010E28A7I/ref=asc_df_B010E28A7I/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=193124474144&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14070878869228274261&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9024254&hvtargid=pla-310408810998&psc=1) while pouring.
Quote from: J N Winkler on July 28, 2021, 12:38:41 PM
I now take old oil and automatic transmission fluid (which counts as waste oil for disposal purposes) to the Sedgwick County household hazardous waste disposal facility, which is on the same street as the county garage near West High in near-southwest Wichita.
Does that facility still have shelves of used items for people to shop?
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 28, 2021, 10:25:23 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 10:15:10 AM
Quote from: kkt on July 28, 2021, 09:30:13 AM
I have changed my own oil, but I found that since shops buy their oil wholesale and dispose of it wholesale I was paying as much to do it myself as I was by having it done.
That's a huge problem here. I did a couple oil changes myself and I couldn't find a place that would take my drain pan contents.
AutoZone and PepBoys right by me both take my used oil.
AutoZone takes mine as well.
Some garages would take the used oil and others wouldn't, I'm not sure why. The ones that took it all charged.
Ok then, what is the procedure where you live once at the auto parts store or repair shop with your old oil? Where I live they point you to the area in the back of the stockroom where the drum is kept and you dump it in the drum yourself.
They took the fee, wrote down my name and contact info, and dumped the oil into the drum themselves.
This will vary from place to place. In New York any store that sells motor oil is required by law to accept it used for disposal free of charge.
I don't know offhand what stores in CT do or don't do, but our local municipal recycling center takes it.
When I was a kid my dad would just put the used motor oil in the empty containers the new oil came in, put the cap back on, and throw it in the regular garbage. Obviously you are not supposed to do this now, and I don't think you were technically supposed to do it then either, but proper alternatives were not easily come by at the time and this is at least better than just dumping it on the ground or down the drain.
Meanwhile if you have a diesel vehicle, dumping it in the fuel tank to be burned up is an option! (but do filter it first)
Quote from: GCrites80s on July 29, 2021, 10:33:49 PM
Ok then, what is the procedure where you live once at the auto parts store or repair shop with your old oil? Where I live they point you to the area in the back of the stockroom where the drum is kept and you dump it in the drum yourself.
That's what I do at AutoZone.
A service station (remember those?) that operated my hometown heated its service bays and office area with a heater specifically designed to burn used motor oil.
A number of auto parts places and oil change places in this area have signs saying, "Recycle your used motor oil here!"
My dad used to change his own oil in some of his vehicles, and he would always save the oil in gallon jugs. We used the oil to lubricate an old-style sickle mower he used with his tractor to keep his field mowed until he got a bush hog. My brother and I would be on standby when he was mowing. Every so often, we'd pour the oil on the sickle blade to make it run more smoothly.
I must say, this has been one of the more interesting topics to follow while occasionally lurking in my time "away" from the forum. Speaking of surrendering your man card, I hope you brought your blue-light filter reading glasses, because this post (which I composed offline) got a little lengthy!
I would have to start by asking what exactly the prerequisites for a man card are in the first place.. is just being a male over age ~18 enough? Is it up to me to determine what's sufficient and what isn't, or is there some predetermined set of standards?
First, some of the things that others have mentioned:
- I am fairly capable of grilling, so that's out for me. I've been surprised at how much it's been mentioned here given that it's a non-physical task that's fairly easy with a little bit of know-how and the right supplies. Pro tip that might cost me my man card: charcoal briquettes are much better and easier to work with than lump charcoal.
- Sitting down to pee does strike me as unmasculine. Of course, I'm a pretty tall and sizable guy, so — **TMI warning** — I will sometimes do that part standing up, flush, and then sit down to take care of the other business. Depends on the toilet seat though!
- Like several others here, I am not that interested in cars, and certainly have never done my own oil change or anything like that. I can usually identify the make and model of a car unless it's something real odd, but that's more from stored memory than something I've consciously been interested in learning.
- I can tolerate coffee — almost always iced, but I will have hot coffee once in a blue moon. Same with tea; I primarily drink iced green tea and can probably count on one hand the number of times I've had a cup of hot tea.
- I don't like animals in general, so I don't have much of a take on the dogs vs. cats debate, although cats generally slink away from you instead of bounding towards you, so that's points in their favor IMO.
- Crying in public: uhhh... why would I do that?
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 21, 2021, 01:37:25 PM
Cause, like, traditional masculine things have just never appealed to me, I guess. Sports are about as interesting to me as watching someone else play a card game. I've never been athletic. I can build things with my bare hands but it's never been pleasurable to me, just a means to an end that I want to get done with as soon as possible ... Power tools kind of scare me. Never been interested in cars as anything other than a means to bring me to road signs I want to look at ...
Oh man, this was so relatable. Especially the part about sports and athleticism. I hated gym in school and was not interested in sports at all until the last couple of years, and nowadays I loosely follow the NBA and NFL, more for the analysis and storylines than what's happening on the field/court, although following that has in turn made the on-field action come alive a bit more. I can name all 32 NFL teams, at least half of the NBA and MLB teams, and a handful of NHL teams, so I guess I'm probably close to average for a sports follower in that respect, although I still feel lost at sea during in-depth sports conversation.
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Quote from: hbelkins on July 21, 2021, 10:03:07 PM
You have a line in your sig that warrants having your man card forcibly taken from you, ripped apart, then burned, and you being put on a "no more man cards" list.
You can probably figure out which line.
Keep right except to pass?
I'm pretty sure it's the Orleans County one, actually.
:-D :-D
(Also, kphoger, I think that line has run its course, and you may feel free to remove it at any time...)
Glad you're back, webny99. I figured you would return at some point, but not this soon . . .
Speaking of tires (since this thread is back), I had to change a flat just this past Sunday. It took maybe 20 minutes because I had hard time find the segment in my manual which had the lug nut tightening order and torque setting.
Regarding peeing and sitting down. Sometimes I do that at night so I don't wake my wife or the dogs up. The sprinkling noise and flush in particular raise the alarm for the dogs. I usually get up to run at 4:45 AM and don't let them out until I get back until 6-6:30 AM.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 10:30:38 PM
Quote from: kenarmy on July 22, 2021, 10:12:02 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't use the little hole in underwear to pee??
The little hole is too little or doesn't exist on modern underwear.
Not being there seems to me like a problem, because then you have to undo your belt to use a urinal, which is an inconvenience and waste of time (if you're wearing a belt, of course).
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Quote from: jakeroot on July 21, 2021, 02:15:09 PM
* I dislike body hair so I remove most of it (apart from my legs);
You are my opposite! I still wish I had more body hair. Actually, around the time I turned 18, I tried using topical minoxidil on my body, but it didn't work so well, because I never got much hair on my back and shoulders, much to my personal disappointment.
Honestly, my body hair isn't great. Sure, I have a good head of hair, and a decent beard. But the rest of my body hair was just adequate at best. Never enough for me to be satisfied with it. The shaving started with just my gentleman's area, and then over the following years spread elsewhere. In addition to my legs, I've actually kept my chest hair, but it's mostly a strong center line and stuff between my man boobs :-D
This is an interesting one. I've never understood why any guy, aside from maybe a professional athlete, would shave their legs, or even more so, their arms. It rarely looks any better — often worse IMO — and it will only make the hair grow back faster unless you invest in a long-term solution like waxing.
Other areas, back and shoulders especially, are more understandable.
I am a pretty hairy person, and I don't like having back and shoulder hair, but there's not a ton I can do about it without spending a lot more time, money, and energy than I think it's worth. Recently, I have shaved my shoulders and part of my chest hair (leaving a roughly heart-shaped section). I do find that the remaining back hair is more bearable with a clean-shaven neck and shoulders. But I will keep my chest hair, thanks! :)
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:01:22 PM
My point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have never smoked anything at all–not even once. To wit, I think I can count on one hand the number of others on here who have said they never have either.
I never have and don't intend to, so that makes at least five people (and quite possibly more) here in this thread if I counted correctly.
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:22:10 PM
it will only make the hair grow back faster
claim not supported by science
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:22:10 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 10:30:38 PM
Quote from: kenarmy on July 22, 2021, 10:12:02 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't use the little hole in underwear to pee??
The little hole is too little or doesn't exist on modern underwear.
Not being there seems to me like a problem, because then you have to undo your belt to use a urinal, which is an inconvenience and waste of time (if you're wearing a belt, of course).
....
No, you don't. I have a couple of pairs of SAXX brand underwear with no convenience hole. You just open your fly, pull the front of the underwear down, do your business, then put things back in the proper place. (Easier in summertime when wearing an untucked shirt and no undershirt, to be sure.)
SAXX brand underwear are the ones that advertise the "ball park" design intended to reduce chafing on your legs when you exercise or work outdoors.
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:22:10 PM
This is an interesting one. I've never understood why any guy, aside from maybe a professional athlete, would shave their legs, or even more so, their arms. It rarely looks any better — often worse IMO — and it will only make the hair grow back faster unless you invest in a long-term solution like waxing.
I actually just shaved my arms last Thursday (and thought of this thread while doing it). Reason being, I work in cannabis, and whenever we get called to do a defoliation job, it involves a lot of reaching in between branches of plants with big flowers covered in sticky resin.* At the end of my shift, it feels just like I took a bath in Mountain Dew. Removing the hair from my arms gives less surface area for resin to stick to, and makes it easier to remove it all with an alcohol wipe.
I personally find amount of body hair on a person to be inversely proportional to attractiveness, but I think that's a matter of personal taste.
* Those more familiar with the care and feeding of C. sativa might ask, "why are you defoliating plants that are so deep in flower that you're getting resin on your arms?" The answer is, if a grow is backlogged enough that they're calling a contractor in to do their defoliation, chances are they haven't managed to get around to defoliating in a timely enough manner.
Quote from: thspfc on August 11, 2021, 03:19:50 PM
Glad you're back, webny99. I figured you would return at some point, but not this soon . . .
For the moment, anyways. I had been lurking here and there, and eventually my pre-composed posts and open tabs of stuff I wanted to link to in those posts got out of hand, so I decided to clean them up. :D
As I try to get better with time management, my approach of the past few months might continue...
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 11, 2021, 04:01:56 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:22:10 PM
This is an interesting one. I've never understood why any guy, aside from maybe a professional athlete, would shave their legs, or even more so, their arms. It rarely looks any better — often worse IMO — and it will only make the hair grow back faster unless you invest in a long-term solution like waxing.
I actually just shaved my arms last Thursday (and thought of this thread while doing it). Reason being, I work in cannabis, and whenever we get called to do a defoliation job, it involves a lot of reaching in between branches of plants with big flowers covered in sticky resin.* At the end of my shift, it feels just like I took a bath in Mountain Dew. Removing the hair from my arms gives less surface area for resin to stick to, and makes it easier to remove it all with an alcohol wipe.
I personally find amount of body hair on a person to be inversely proportional to attractiveness, but I think that's a matter of personal taste.
* Those more familiar with the care and feeding of C. sativa might ask, "why are you defoliating plants that are so deep in flower that you're getting resin on your arms?" The answer is, if a grow is backlogged enough that they're calling a contractor in to do their defoliation, chances are they haven't managed to get around to defoliating in a timely enough manner.
Heat and a lot of it makes shaving certain areas of body extremely viable in terms of comfort out in the Southwest.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 11, 2021, 04:01:56 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:22:10 PM
This is an interesting one. I've never understood why any guy, aside from maybe a professional athlete, would shave their legs, or even more so, their arms. It rarely looks any better — often worse IMO — and it will only make the hair grow back faster unless you invest in a long-term solution like waxing.
I actually just shaved my arms last Thursday (and thought of this thread while doing it). Reason being, I work in cannabis, and whenever we get called to do a defoliation job, it involves a lot of reaching in between branches of plants with big flowers covered in sticky resin...
That's perfectly reasonable. I don't have any objection at all if there's an actual reason, rather than you just thinking it looks better.
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 11, 2021, 04:01:56 PM
I personally find amount of body hair on a person to be inversely proportional to attractiveness, but I think that's a matter of personal taste.
Yeah, "it depends" is really the only appropriate response here. Yes, it is a matter of personal taste, but it also depends where on the body you are talking about, whether you manage the hair in some way (managing it is usually a positive), and of course other factors that are sometimes outside one's control, such as complexion and body build.
Personally, for example, I feel much more strongly about being tan than I do about the presence or absence of hair. I think there's plenty of people on both ends of the hair spectrum that look great, while there are not many very pale people that look great. But that also might be somewhat outside one's control, and again, that's just my taste.
Quote from: kphoger on August 11, 2021, 03:24:57 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:22:10 PM
it will only make the hair grow back faster
claim not supported by science
It isn't? I guess I'm not sure if my own experience counts as science, but if I call it an "experiment" instead of "experience", then that's pretty scientific, right?
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 10:34:48 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 11, 2021, 03:24:57 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:22:10 PM
it will only make the hair grow back faster
claim not supported by science
It isn't? I guess I'm not sure if my own experience counts as science, but if I call it an "experiment" instead of "experience", then that's pretty scientific, right?
I think you may have been experiencing another phenomenon. Simple put, there is no scientific data
anywhere that supports the assertion that shaved hair grows back faster.
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 10:33:22 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 11, 2021, 04:01:56 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:22:10 PM
This is an interesting one. I've never understood why any guy, aside from maybe a professional athlete, would shave their legs, or even more so, their arms. It rarely looks any better — often worse IMO — and it will only make the hair grow back faster unless you invest in a long-term solution like waxing.
I actually just shaved my arms last Thursday (and thought of this thread while doing it). Reason being, I work in cannabis, and whenever we get called to do a defoliation job, it involves a lot of reaching in between branches of plants with big flowers covered in sticky resin...
That's perfectly reasonable. I don't have any objection at all if there's an actual reason, rather than you just thinking it looks better.
Why would you object to someone claiming that they think it looks better? And I ask that as someone who
does claim that about many parts of their own body.
You seem to have a very masculine opinion about body hair. You're more than welcome to that opinion, but there are many of us out there that feel our masculinity is defined by other things. That is the point of this thread, after all.
Quote from: jakeroot on August 11, 2021, 11:07:35 PM
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Quote from: Scott5114 on August 11, 2021, 04:01:56 PM
I actually just shaved my arms last Thursday (and thought of this thread while doing it). Reason being, I work in cannabis, and whenever we get called to do a defoliation job, it involves a lot of reaching in between branches of plants with big flowers covered in sticky resin...
That's perfectly reasonable. I don't have any objection at all if there's an actual reason, rather than you just thinking it looks better.
Why would you object to someone claiming that they think it looks better? And I ask that as someone who does claim that about many parts of their own body.
This is all conjecture, but I would theoretically "object" simply because I disagree - at least with regards to shaving your arms/legs. But that's just my opinion, or personal taste, if you prefer. I said myself that I dislike back and shoulder hair.
Quote from: jakeroot on August 11, 2021, 11:07:35 PM
You seem to have a very masculine opinion about body hair. You're more than welcome to that opinion, but there are many of us out there that feel our masculinity is defined by other things. That is the point of this thread, after all.
Well, back to my earlier point (
in my original post to this thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29792.msg2648243#msg2648243)), what even
is a very masculine opinion about body hair, or a very masculine opinion about [insert subject here]? Who decides, and how do they decide? Isn't establishing that and discussing that part of the concept of this thread as well?
Personally, I thought my take was pretty neutral:
"it .. depends where on the body you are talking about, whether you manage the hair in some way (managing it is usually a positive)," and so on.
I certainly wasn't trying to come across as contrary, or somehow be the voice for masculinity in this thread, or anything like that - just sharing my opinion and trying to put everything in perspective here. (It seems that my opinion about body hair would probably
not be grounds for man-card revocation, so I'm happy to move on from that subject.)
I'm officially a man now
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 11:48:07 PM
Well, back to my earlier point (in my original post to this thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29792.msg2648243#msg2648243)), what even is a very masculine opinion about body hair, or a very masculine opinion about [insert subject here]? Who decides, and how do they decide? Isn't establishing that and discussing that part of the concept of this thread as well?
Most masculine traits are decided by society, but body hair isn't one of those things. Men simply have more body hair. To then
remove that hair is very nearly the definition of un-masculine. It's a defining trait of our sex.
Quote from: jakeroot on August 12, 2021, 12:58:46 AM
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 11:48:07 PM
Well, back to my earlier point (in my original post to this thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29792.msg2648243#msg2648243)), what even is a very masculine opinion about body hair, or a very masculine opinion about [insert subject here]? Who decides, and how do they decide? Isn't establishing that and discussing that part of the concept of this thread as well?
Most masculine traits are decided by society, but body hair isn't one of those things. Men simply have more body hair. To then remove that hair is very nearly the definition of un-masculine. It's a defining trait of our sex.
Taste among females in male body hair does vary over time, though. Throughout much of the 1970s, it was 'the more the better', then it wasn't.
Mike
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 11, 2021, 04:01:56 PM
I personally find amount of body hair on a person to be inversely proportional to attractiveness, but I think that's a matter of personal taste.
My personal taste is, in fact, the exact opposite.
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:22:10 PM
Other areas, back and shoulders especially, are more understandable.
I am a pretty hairy person, and I don't like having back and shoulder hair, but there's not a ton I can do about it without spending a lot more time, money, and energy than I think it's worth. Recently, I have shaved my shoulders and part of my chest hair (leaving a roughly heart-shaped section). I do find that the remaining back hair is more bearable with a clean-shaven neck and shoulders. But I will keep my chest hair, thanks! :)
I'm pretty hairy in front, but I honestly wish I had more hair on my back and shoulders. I won't be satisfied until I achieve Werewolf or Sasquatch status!
Quote from: mgk920 on August 12, 2021, 05:44:40 AM
Taste among females in male body hair does vary over time, though.
If you're a straight man, then that's likely to influence your own preference regarding body hair. For gay men, it's sometimes different--as in, you might be striving for the look that you're most attracted to--but even that varies.
QuoteThroughout much of the 1970s, it was 'the more the better', then it wasn't.
This should be put in an official list of things from the 70s that should be brought back. I'd also like to see avocado-colored appliances and plumbing fixtures again, while I'm at it.
Quote from: mgk920 on August 12, 2021, 05:44:40 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on August 12, 2021, 12:58:46 AM
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 11:48:07 PM
Well, back to my earlier point (in my original post to this thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29792.msg2648243#msg2648243)), what even is a very masculine opinion about body hair, or a very masculine opinion about [insert subject here]? Who decides, and how do they decide? Isn't establishing that and discussing that part of the concept of this thread as well?
Most masculine traits are decided by society, but body hair isn't one of those things. Men simply have more body hair. To then remove that hair is very nearly the definition of un-masculine. It's a defining trait of our sex.
Taste among females in male body hair does vary over time, though. Throughout much of the 1970s, it was 'the more the better', then it wasn't.
Mike
But everyone in the 1970s thought smoking and brown cars were cool also.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 12, 2021, 07:34:07 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 12, 2021, 12:37:59 AM
I'm officially a man now
What's her name?
I seem to recall that the gauge Al and Bud Bundy went with for determining manhood in Married With Children.
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 10:33:22 PM
....
Personally, for example, I feel much more strongly about being tan than I do about the presence or absence of hair. I think there's plenty of people on both ends of the hair spectrum that look great, while there are not many very pale people that look great. But that also might be somewhat outside one's control, and again, that's just my taste.
This is one of those things where your age and other considerations start to factor in. When it comes to being tan, I agree it may look better than being relatively pale, but as to my own appearance, I don't especially care anymore because health considerations trump the appearance issue–the dermatologist was very clear about my needing to be cautious about sun exposure due to some spots that were removed from my lower back (the biopsy thankfully came back negative). I spent a lot of time in the sun when I was growing up and the bill for that is probably going to come due at some point. I don't go to our neighborhood pools (if you saw my recent post in the "Minor things that bother you" thread, you'll see one reason why), but if I did, I'd wear a shirt even while in the water.
Quote from: jmacswimmer on August 12, 2021, 07:59:13 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 12, 2021, 07:34:07 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 12, 2021, 12:37:59 AM
I'm officially a man now
What's her name?
Hopefully not Mary Hannah.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 12, 2021, 12:37:59 AM
I'm officially a man now
Happy birthday. To celebrate, how will you surrender your man card?
EDIT: Are you going to change your name to Roadgeekman now?
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 10:34:48 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 11, 2021, 03:24:57 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:22:10 PM
it will only make the hair grow back faster
claim not supported by science
It isn't? I guess I'm not sure if my own experience counts as science, but if I call it an "experiment" instead of "experience", then that's pretty scientific, right?
What did you do, exactly? Vary the frequency of your shaves and then note the time it took for stubble to grow? How long did you do that for? Your profile says you're only 22 years old. It's more likely one of two things:
(1) Your body/facial hair growth rate has simply changed over time, and it had nothing to do with your shaving routine.
(2) What differences you noticed were all in your head.
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it will only make the hair grow back faster
claim not supported by science
It isn't? I guess I'm not sure if my own experience counts as science, but if I call it an "experiment" instead of "experience", then that's pretty scientific, right?
What did you do, exactly? Vary the frequency of your shaves and then note the time it took for stubble to grow? How long did you do that for? Your profile says you're only 22 years old. It's more likely one of two things:
(1) Your body/facial hair growth rate has simply changed over time, and it had nothing to do with your shaving routine.
(2) What differences you noticed were all in your head.
I didn't do much of anything, except simply observe that hair seems to grow back faster after it's shaved, in particular after it's shaved
for the first time. In other words, once you shave, you'll have to keep doing it, and perhaps with more frequency than you expected. Going way back to when I first started shaving, as I recall, a whole lifetime of hair growth (up to that point) on my upper lip came back thicker and darker pretty much right away after I shaved. I didn't even have a transition period of shaving every couple weeks, I went straight from not shaving at all to shaving every day.
Both (1) and (2) are possible. But I think it's more likely that a change in the thickness and color of the hair as it grew back caused me to think it was growing faster, when it was instead it was growing at the same rate and was just more noticeable.
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I didn't do much of anything, except simply observe that hair seems to grow back faster after it's shaved, in particular after it's shaved for the first time.
Of course you
notice it more after you shave. As soon as it pokes up above the skin, you can feel it. Let me put it this way:
The difference in the first 24 hours after shaving is much more noticeable than the difference between, say, day 5 and day 6–even if the growth rate is exactly the same. That's because you're comparing BBS (that's "baby butt smooth", for those who aren't also on shaving forums) skin to stubble, rather than just comparing light growth to light growth.
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I'm officially a man now
Happy birthday. To celebrate, how will you surrender your man card?
EDIT: Are you going to change your name to Roadgeekman now?
Not until my 20th birthday.
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I'm officially a man now
Happy birthday. To celebrate, how will you surrender your man card?
EDIT: Are you going to change your name to Roadgeekman now?
Not until my 20th birthday.
No, no, it needs to be "Alangoatman."
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I'm officially a man now
Happy birthday. To celebrate, how will you surrender your man card?
EDIT: Are you going to change your name to Roadgeekman now?
Not until my 20th birthday.
No, no, it needs to be "Alangoatman."
Yes, but not until Alanland
is re-unlocked on some future April Fool's Day mysteriously reenters our realm once more.
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I'm officially a man now
Happy birthday. To celebrate, how will you surrender your man card?
EDIT: Are you going to change your name to Roadgeekman now?
Not until my 20th birthday.
No, no, it needs to be "Alangoatman."
Yes, but not until Alanland is re-unlocked on some future April Fool's Day mysteriously reenters our realm once more.
Alan Merritt decided it wasn't worth the trouble to be in our reality, what with the coops and having to endure people who don't even own a fish hat trying to depose him for no reason, so he had the pi houses of Parliament enact a Alæxit bill.
I frequently catch myself watching The View.
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I'm officially a man now
/Receives man card./
/Surrenders man card./
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Well, back to my earlier point (in my original post to this thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29792.msg2648243#msg2648243)), what even is a very masculine opinion about body hair, or a very masculine opinion about [insert subject here]? Who decides, and how do they decide? Isn't establishing that and discussing that part of the concept of this thread as well?
Most masculine traits are decided by society, but body hair isn't one of those things. Men simply have more body hair. To then remove that hair is very nearly the definition of un-masculine. It's a defining trait of our sex.
Taste among females in male body hair does vary over time, though. Throughout much of the 1970s, it was 'the more the better', then it wasn't.
Mike
But everyone in the 1970s thought smoking and brown cars were cool also.
Not everyone, at least for smoking. I didn't, my parents didn't. By the 1960s the statistics made it pretty obvious that smoking was not healthy.
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Well, back to my earlier point (in my original post to this thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29792.msg2648243#msg2648243)), what even is a very masculine opinion about body hair, or a very masculine opinion about [insert subject here]? Who decides, and how do they decide? Isn't establishing that and discussing that part of the concept of this thread as well?
Most masculine traits are decided by society, but body hair isn't one of those things. Men simply have more body hair. To then remove that hair is very nearly the definition of un-masculine. It's a defining trait of our sex.
Taste among females in male body hair does vary over time, though. Throughout much of the 1970s, it was 'the more the better', then it wasn't.
Mike
But everyone in the 1970s thought smoking and brown cars were cool also.
Not everyone, at least for smoking. I didn't, my parents didn't. By the 1960s the statistics made it pretty obvious that smoking was not healthy.
Sarcasm doesn't convey well unfortunately in what I write, of course it wasn't 100%. Even still, it was far prevalent to see smokers out in the open the further back in time you go. I want to say public smoking was still acceptable until the late 1990s when it kind of finally became taboo. Then again my perspective is from what I saw in the blue collar Midwest, it could have become taboo faster in other regions.
Regarding the excessive hair and weird choice in car colors pallets, yes those were fads that lasted into the early 1980s.
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I'm officially a man now
Happy birthday. To celebrate, how will you surrender your man card?
EDIT: Are you going to change your name to Roadgeekman now?
Not until my 20th birthday.
No, no, it needs to be "Alangoatman."
Yes, but not until Alanland is re-unlocked on some future April Fool's Day mysteriously reenters our realm once more.
Alan Merritt decided it wasn't worth the trouble to be in our reality, what with the coops and having to endure people who don't even own a fish hat trying to depose him for no reason, so he had the pi houses of Parliament enact a Alæxit bill.
We should turn the Illinois isn't flat thread into the new Alanland thread. :spin:
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I'm officially a man now
Happy birthday. To celebrate, how will you surrender your man card?
EDIT: Are you going to change your name to Roadgeekman now?
Not until my 20th birthday.
No, no, it needs to be "Alangoatman."
Yes, but not until Alanland is re-unlocked on some future April Fool's Day mysteriously reenters our realm once more.
Alan Merritt decided it wasn't worth the trouble to be in our reality, what with the coops and having to endure people who don't even own a fish hat trying to depose him for no reason, so he had the pi houses of Parliament enact a Alæxit bill.
We should turn the Illinois isn't flat thread into the new Alanland thread. :spin:
I question sometimes if Alanland is flat. You don't really hear much talk about it's geographic features. It has some gross mountains though in Virginia and Pittsburgh Oblasts.
I don't know that I could have survived if I had been born earlier. I'm highly sensitive to cigarette smoke. My first flight wasn't long after smoking was banned on domestic flights. When I started my job in 1999, older co-workers talked about how everybody used to smoke right at their desks.
I remember in the late 1970s/early 1980s going to games at the old Capital Centre arena in Maryland and if you sat up in the nosebleeds, you were looking down at the floor through a haze of cigarette smoke. So glad they banned that sort of thing.
At one point during one summer in college, I worked two days (via a temp agency) at an office where the secretaries smoked at their desks. I was very glad to get out of there. Had the assignment not ended quickly, I would likely have resigned from it.
Re: smoking, I'm old enough to remember the days when the door would open to the teacher's lounge/office suite at a school and smoke would come billowing out.
Asking my grandparents about it (they are in their late 70s/early 80s), they tell me that it was pretty much expected that every home would, in one way or another, accommodate smoking. These days, of course, smoking indoors at a private residence is not well accepted, even by regular smokers themselves (the few I know still choose to walk outside).
Quote from: jakeroot on August 13, 2021, 03:20:11 PM
Asking my grandparents about it (they are in their late 70s/early 80s), they tell me that it was pretty much expected that every home would, in one way or another, accommodate smoking. These days, of course, smoking indoors at a private residence is not well accepted, even by regular smokers themselves (the few I know still choose to walk outside).
When I married my wife in 2003, her step-mother's family all smoked in the house. When we went for Christmas, it was unbearable. We told them we wouldn't be back next year if people were smoking in the house while we were there. Even then, the stench of smoke made it such that I couldn't tolerate being there more than 2-3 hours.
My parents smoked in the house when I was very young, but when I was 7 or so they only smoked in the garage or outside. My mom quit a couple years later, but my dad still smokes. Always only outside. I very clearly remember having ashtrays on our coffee table when my sister and I would play with toys on said table. My how times change (and in this case, much for the better).
Chris
My uncle smoked, he may have quit I'm not sure.
My dad quit for a few years when I was young, but got back into it probably due to a roommate who smoked and did so for the rest of his life after that, and it seemed like he smoked more and more toward the time of his death.
My dad and stepmom, and as far as I know, all three of my stepbrothers, smoke. My mom used to. It's never bothered me, but I've only ever done it occasionally, and don't at all anymore.
Quote from: jakeroot on August 13, 2021, 03:20:11 PM
Asking my grandparents about it (they are in their late 70s/early 80s), they tell me that it was pretty much expected that every home would, in one way or another, accommodate smoking. These days, of course, smoking indoors at a private residence is not well accepted, even by regular smokers themselves (the few I know still choose to walk outside).
Not least because it would probably damage the resale value of the home.
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Asking my grandparents about it (they are in their late 70s/early 80s), they tell me that it was pretty much expected that every home would, in one way or another, accommodate smoking. These days, of course, smoking indoors at a private residence is not well accepted, even by regular smokers themselves (the few I know still choose to walk outside).
Not least because it would probably damage the resale value of the home.
Certainly affected the resale value of cars.
I'm very glad I'm alive when I am. All this talk of cigarette smoke being everywhere sounds awful. There's a lot of bad things about living in 2021, but at least this isn't one of them.
And for the record, I haven't smoked a thing and I never will.
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Personally, for example, I feel much more strongly about being tan than I do about the presence or absence of hair. I think there's plenty of people on both ends of the hair spectrum that look great, while there are not many very pale people that look great. But that also might be somewhat outside one's control, and again, that's just my taste.
This is one of those things where your age and other considerations start to factor in. When it comes to being tan, I agree it may look better than being relatively pale, but as to my own appearance, I don't especially care anymore because health considerations trump the appearance issue–the dermatologist was very clear about my needing to be cautious about sun exposure due to some spots that were removed from my lower back (the biopsy thankfully came back negative). I spent a lot of time in the sun when I was growing up and the bill for that is probably going to come due at some point. I don't go to our neighborhood pools (if you saw my recent post in the "Minor things that bother you" thread, you'll see one reason why), but if I did, I'd wear a shirt even while in the water.
That's totally fair. I respect that, and realize that it is somewhat of a generational thing. It's quite likely that I'll think differently about it when I'm older. Thus far, I would consider myself to have spent a reasonable, but not excessive, amount of time in the sun. I work indoors, but try to get outside for anywhere from 10 minutes to two hours per day, and that's enough that I'm somewhat tan, but not unhealthily so - at least I don't think so, but I suppose only time will tell. I also try to avoid a strong farmer's tan, which deters me from spending a lot of time in the sun on an everyday basis unless I'm somewhere that I can go sans shirt.
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I'm highly sensitive to cigarette smoke.
Same here. Breathing it burns the hell out of my throat, and I often end up coughing and choking if I breathe it more than a few seconds. My mom usually smokes Pall Mall cigarettes, and I don't know what kind of chemicals they use, but goddamn it's brutal. How anybody can smoke is beyond me.
If people want to smoke, have at it. I'm not gonna judge since we all put our pants on one leg at time. Just keep that shit away from me.
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Asking my grandparents about it (they are in their late 70s/early 80s), they tell me that it was pretty much expected that every home would, in one way or another, accommodate smoking. These days, of course, smoking indoors at a private residence is not well accepted, even by regular smokers themselves (the few I know still choose to walk outside).
Not least because it would probably damage the resale value of the home.
Certainly affected the resale value of cars.
Yeah I remember looking at a used Camry once that was listed by a small independent dealer for well under the going rate for similar cars. I was certain there would be something wrong with it but decided to check it out anyway. Immediately after opening the door I was overwhelmed by the smoke smell, and the salesman had the nerve to try and tell me it hadn't been smoked in.
There may be a few of "us" on this board, but in my case, some people thought I lost my "man card" when I came out of the closet 34 years ago. Funny, but all of my interests and hobbies are overwhelmingly dominated by males and I have been told I act too "straight."
Quote from: Jim on August 13, 2021, 10:09:00 AM
Re: smoking, I'm old enough to remember the days when the door would open to the teacher's lounge/office suite at a school and smoke would come billowing out.
my high school had a student smoking area, around 1986. at the time, minors couldn't buy cigarettes (well, they still can't...) , but they seemed to look the other way on this.
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There may be a few of "us" on this board, but in my case, some people thought I lost my "man card" when I came out of the closet 34 years ago. Funny, but all of my interests and hobbies are overwhelmingly dominated by males and I have been told I act too "straight."
I have a gay friend who's one of the biggest football and hockey fans I know.
Listen to your dermatologist. I'm seeing mine twice a year now, for a while it was 4 x a year. There's usually something to biopsy and about half the time it needs a followup visit to remove it. I have the sheet about post-surgical care practically memorized (even though it's pretty common first aid).
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Listen to your dermatologist. I'm seeing mine twice a year now, for a while it was 4 x a year. There's usually something to biopsy and about half the time it needs a followup visit to remove it. I have the sheet about post-surgical care practically memorized (even though it's pretty common first aid).
Skin cancer sucks. I've had a couple abnormal moles removed before they morphed into anything else. They usually have to dig pretty deep down to make sure they get it all. I have of picture from one of the surgeries, it looked like an uncooked piece of steak.
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As a distance runner I can't really do boxers given they don't really keep anything secure when engaged in physical activity. That being the case I tend to go through a lot of underwear and boxer-briefs given they take a ton of wear and tear.
I've never even noticed the lack of or presence of that kind of support. I tend not to wear loose fitting pants, so maybe that's why. On a related topic, I notice that some people can't go more than 10 seconds without making a personal adjustment. They're mainly younger. Older men don't seem to do that as much, but some seem to care as little about where they are when they do it. Other than when lying down, which excludes almost every public situation, I never feel a need to make such adjustments. I think it's an obsession with comfort that I don't have.
On an almost related topic, I don't understand what "ankle support" is. My ankles support themselves. How do people who need ankle support walk? My hiking boots supposedly have ankle support, but I can't tell the difference. What my boots do is reduce the effects of impacts, protect from abrasion, and improve traction. I wear regular shoes, to save wear on my boots, when I don't need protection from rocky trails or improved traction, but my ankles have never noticed a difference except that the boots rub on them more.
Quote from: wxfree on August 15, 2021, 01:44:33 PMOn an almost related topic, I don't understand what "ankle support" is. My ankles support themselves. How do people who need ankle support walk? My hiking boots supposedly have ankle support, but I can't tell the difference. What my boots do is reduce the effects of impacts, protect from abrasion, and improve traction. I wear regular shoes, to save wear on my boots, when I don't need protection from rocky trails or improved traction, but my ankles have never noticed a difference except that the boots rub on them more.
Ankle support is about reducing the likelihood of a sprain or fracture when a surface irregularity, such as a sharp rock embedded in a trail, catches the sole and causes the foot and shin to go in opposite directions.
I personally don't wear boots or high-top shoes (the kind that tout ankle support) because I do well over 99% of my walking on level and smooth surfaces, but I can see how they would be beneficial for traversing rough terrain.
Quote from: xcellntbuy on August 14, 2021, 11:40:58 AM
There may be a few of "us" on this board, but in my case, some people thought I lost my "man card" when I came out of the closet 34 years ago. Funny, but all of my interests and hobbies are overwhelmingly dominated by males and I have been told I act too "straight."
came out of the closet when i was 10. and i think that makes us quite manly, frankly. it takes nads to come out of the closet, especially if you live in a conservative area.
man card re-issued, with gold star.
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Reminder: This wasn't intended to become a place to talk about your sexuality, your gender identity, your suicidal thoughts, the meaning of life, or the high tariff on putty these days. Let's stay away from lock-bait.
Quote from: kphoger on August 16, 2021, 08:10:25 PMthe high tariff on putty these days. Let's stay away from lock-bait.
If this creates a shortage of Silly Putty, I'm blaming you.
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There may be a few of "us" on this board, but in my case, some people thought I lost my "man card" when I came out of the closet 34 years ago. Funny, but all of my interests and hobbies are overwhelmingly dominated by males and I have been told I act too "straight."
came out of the closet when i was 10. and i think that makes us quite manly, frankly. it takes nads to come out of the closet, especially if you live in a conservative area.
man card re-issued, with gold star.
I remember a guy opened up a Barbie store right on the highway in a super-conservative area near me and put the Pride flag right on the front of the place. This was in the late '90s. Huge balls.
While reading the "Minor things that bother you" thread, I learned that I cannot repair anything car related. Don't even know how to change a tire.
Probably going to be screwed when going into the woods, but ehhhhhhhhhhhh...nature is scary.
Related: no interest in hunting or fishing. Why work to search for food when you can buy it?
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Related: no interest in hunting or fishing. Why work to search for food when you can buy it?
Tagging along can be enjoyable, if for no other reason than that you're out in nature with friends. Oh, wait...
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ehhhhhhhhhhhh...nature is scary.
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Quote from: noelbotevera on August 19, 2021, 02:23:19 PM
Related: no interest in hunting or fishing. Why work to search for food when you can buy it?
Tagging along can be enjoyable, if for no other reason than that you're out in nature with friends. Oh, wait...
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 19, 2021, 02:23:19 PM
ehhhhhhhhhhhh...nature is scary.
Kinda sarcastic - I actually don't mind outdoorsy activities like hiking or swimming, but it is annoying if you accidentally touch poison ivy or get tugged by a branch. Also inconvenient is a lack of cell service (though some may call that a benefit).
Just never got around to getting the licenses and means to hunt or fish.
I'm quite content to just tromp around with the actual hunters. And it doesn't bother me one bit if they don't even shoot anything. I just like hiking, I guess.
But sitting in 20-degree weather in a tree stand before dawn? No thank you!
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Tagging along can be enjoyable, if for no other reason than that you're out in nature with friends.
As long as your friends aren't Dicks. Then...no fun.
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Quote from: kphoger on August 19, 2021, 02:51:07 PM
Tagging along can be enjoyable, if for no other reason than that you're out in nature with friends.
As long as your friends aren't Dicks. Then...no fun.
The one time I've actually done this–tagged along with people hunting–we spread the blaze orange items around amongst ourselves. I forget what I was wearing–an orange hat, an orange vest, something like that. Anyway, when we were back at the truck ready to head back home, some other hunters came over and chewed us out for not wearing enough blaze orange. When we shrugged it off, one of them told us that he actually had me in his sights before realizing I wasn't a deer. :-o
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Quote from: kphoger on August 19, 2021, 02:51:07 PM
Tagging along can be enjoyable, if for no other reason than that you're out in nature with friends.
As long as your friends aren't Dicks. Then...no fun.
The one time I've actually done this–tagged along with people hunting–we spread the blaze orange items around amongst ourselves. I forget what I was wearing–an orange hat, an orange vest, something like that. Anyway, when we were back at the truck ready to head back home, some other hunters came over and chewed us out for not wearing enough blaze orange. When we shrugged it off, one of them told us that he actually had me in his sights before realizing I wasn't a deer. :-o
Those concerns are genuinely why I'm not into hunting. It's about as close as the average Joe can get to non-controlled weapon firing (like at a military base or gun range). I'd rather not take any risks.
In Kansas there was a case several years ago where a hunter was convicted of negligently shooting a teenage boy. I've suspected that part of the popularity of bow hunting comes from the season being significantly longer than for rifle hunting (in some states it is something like three months versus three days), meaning that if you hunt with a bow, you can be out on days when you are less likely to be exposed to people who don't really understand how to use a gun safely. Sadly, meat hunters who take care to kill the animal outright--instead of leaving it to die from a painful wound--are a proper subset of the hunting community.
Dirt bikes, racing cars and all that give you the same buzz as hunting except the buzz-to-preparation-and-waiting ratio is much higher. You hunt people.
I drink iced coffee for kicks. It tastes good, and keeping your energy up is just an added benefit (unless that's the reason you're having it in the first place).
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 27, 2021, 02:40:30 PM
I drink iced coffee for kicks. It tastes good, and keeping your energy up is just an added benefit (unless that's the reason you're having it in the first place).
Given that my drinkable "hot" coffee temperature maxes out around 135 F, I too enjoy iced coffee. Ordering iced is guaranteed to be drinkable immediately, but hot coffee "with ice" is not always (baristas are obviously inconsistent with how much ice they put in).
I had no concept of iced coffee being unmanly.
I make my own cold brew all summer. I don't usually want hot coffee at this time of year and I don't want to wait for it to cool enough for me to drink it at breakfast time. I use the 64 oz version of this with the no-handle lid. (https://smile.amazon.com/Coffee-Maker-County-Line-Kitchen/dp/B07772LL6V/ref=sr_1_5?crid=3F6FSMYX1HDF0&dchild=1&keywords=county+line+kitchen+cold+brew+coffee+maker&qid=1630091770&sprefix=county+line+%2Caps%2C271&sr=8-5) Usually lasts me four weekdays, and as long as it's not Friday when it runs out I immediately grind more beans, fill it with cold water, and stick it in the refrigerator so it's ready for breakfast the next day. (If it runs out on Friday I wash the jar and the lid and make more coffee over the weekend for Monday morning.)
This is also essential for road trips in my world because the Yeti travel mug I use is exceptionally effective at keeping hot coffee way too hot to drink. If we're at a hotel and I want to fill my travel mug in the morning, I wind up putting ice in it. The first time I used this mug on the road, we had stopped for the night in Columbia, SC. I filled the mug with hot coffee in the morning and when we stopped for gas and lunch in Durham, NC, several hours later the coffee was still too hot to drink.
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I had no concept of iced coffee being unmanly.
I'm going to assume you've never walked into a Starbucks or Dunkin' Donuts on a hot summer day.
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Quote from: kphoger on August 27, 2021, 03:05:31 PM
I had no concept of iced coffee being unmanly.
I'm going to assume you've never walked into a Starbucks or Dunkin' Donuts on a hot summer day.
I can count the number of times I've walked into Starbucks and Dunkin' Donuts, combined, ever, on two hands.
So please enlighten me.
Quote from: kphoger on August 27, 2021, 03:34:32 PM
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 27, 2021, 03:25:32 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 27, 2021, 03:05:31 PM
I had no concept of iced coffee being unmanly.
I'm going to assume you've never walked into a Starbucks or Dunkin' Donuts on a hot summer day.
I can count the number of times I've walked into Starbucks and Dunkin' Donuts, combined, ever, on two hands.
So please enlighten me.
I've walked into those places many times. I don't see a male/female correlation with iced coffee/cold brew at all. I'm as confused as you are why it's in this thread.
Chris
Quote from: kphoger on August 27, 2021, 03:34:32 PM
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 27, 2021, 03:25:32 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 27, 2021, 03:05:31 PM
I had no concept of iced coffee being unmanly.
I'm going to assume you've never walked into a Starbucks or Dunkin' Donuts on a hot summer day.
I can count the number of times I've walked into Starbucks and Dunkin' Donuts, combined, ever, on two hands.
So please enlighten me.
If I go on, I'm likely going to enforce gender stereotypes and probably offend someone, so maybe it's time for you to take a trip to your local coffee shop and see for yourself.
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 27, 2021, 03:41:44 PM
If I go on, I'm likely going to enforce gender stereotypes and probably offend someone, so maybe it's time for you to take a trip to your local coffee shop and see for yourself.
This thread is supposed to be a safe place to poke fun at gender stereotypes. Basically, if someone is going to be offended by something like coffee preferences, then
they're in the wrong thread. Post away. I'm curious.
It may be a matter of conflating the popularity of "fancy" drinks vs plain drinks (pumpkin spice latte vs americano, for instance). Generally, I see more of my female friends making a big deal about the newer/seasonal iced drinks than I do male friends. But I wouldn't say that's an indication that my female friends order them any more often. They just like to talk about it a bit more, I guess.
Coffee is for sissies.
Quote from: jakeroot on August 27, 2021, 03:44:38 PM
It may be a matter of conflating the popularity of "fancy" drinks vs plain drinks (pumpkin spice latte vs americano, for instance). Generally, I see more of my female friends making a big deal about the newer/seasonal iced drinks than I do male friends. But I wouldn't say that's an indication that my female friends order them any more often. They just like to talk about it a bit more, I guess.
Sure. That makes a little more sense. "Men" drink their coffee black, whatever. But ice doesn't scream one gender or another to me at all.
Chris
Quote from: Rothman on August 27, 2021, 03:45:51 PM
Coffee is for sissies.
I can't remember the last time I even had coffee. It definitely is not my caffeinated drink of choice.
Quote from: Rothman on August 27, 2021, 03:45:51 PM
Coffee is for sissies.
You just go straight to cocaine for your pick me up?
Chris
I do not drink coffee at all. Tried it once, many years ago, when I was in my teens. Did not like it. Haven't had it since.
Quote from: hbelkins on August 27, 2021, 04:05:05 PM
I do not drink coffee at all. Tried it once, many years ago, when I was in my teens. Did not like it. Haven't had it since.
I dislike black coffee, but surprisingly I find it more tolerable if it's iced.
Quote from: hbelkins on August 27, 2021, 04:05:05 PM
I do not drink coffee at all. Tried it once, many years ago, when I was in my teens. Did not like it. Haven't had it since.
To each their own on taste with food and drink of course, but it's interesting to me the amount of people who will try something once and then write it off forever. Perhaps you just had bad coffee? I know you probably don't need to introduce it into your life after x amount of years, but I'm always just curious about things and would give something another shot.
Chris
Quote from: kphoger on August 27, 2021, 03:43:35 PM
This thread is supposed to be a safe place to poke fun at gender stereotypes. Basically, if someone is going to be offended by something like coffee preferences, then they're in the wrong thread. Post away. I'm curious.
Quote from: jakeroot on August 27, 2021, 03:44:38 PM
It may be a matter of conflating the popularity of "fancy" drinks vs plain drinks (pumpkin spice latte vs americano, for instance). Generally, I see more of my female friends making a big deal about the newer/seasonal iced drinks than I do male friends. But I wouldn't say that's an indication that my female friends order them any more often. They just like to talk about it a bit more, I guess.
I concur. I like iced coffee, but all the mocha/latte/macchiato/cappucino stuff is a bit out of my league. Just a medium iced coffee with caramel swirl, thanks.
Not only do females seem to talk about this stuff a lot more, they also probably have a better understanding of what all those different words actually mean, so they can have a more intelligent conversation about them :)
Quote from: kphoger on August 27, 2021, 04:06:53 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 27, 2021, 04:05:05 PM
I do not drink coffee at all. Tried it once, many years ago, when I was in my teens. Did not like it. Haven't had it since.
I dislike black coffee, but surprisingly I find it more tolerable if it's iced.
Probably because iced coffee usually comes with cream/sugar, or you'd probably add them if you made your own.
Quote from: webny99 on August 27, 2021, 04:11:25 PM
Not only do females seem to talk about this stuff a lot more, they also probably have a better understanding of what all those different words actually mean, so they can have a more intelligent conversation about them :)
Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but I kiiind of feel like we're just tiptoeing around the conclusion that women do drink iced coffee more than men.
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 27, 2021, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 27, 2021, 04:11:25 PM
Not only do females seem to talk about this stuff a lot more, they also probably have a better understanding of what all those different words actually mean, so they can have a more intelligent conversation about them :)
Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but I kiiind of feel like we're just tiptoeing around the conclusion that women do drink iced coffee more than men.
I don't drink iced coffee because I don't like coffee, but if I did like coffee I'd drink iced coffee because I don't like warm/hot beverages.
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 27, 2021, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 27, 2021, 04:11:25 PM
Not only do females seem to talk about this stuff a lot more, they also probably have a better understanding of what all those different words actually mean, so they can have a more intelligent conversation about them :)
Not to put words in anyone’s mouth, but I kiiind of feel like we’re just tiptoeing around the conclusion that women do drink iced coffee more than men.
Preferable on a hot day, but not exactly my go-to choice...usually if I'm stuck eating at a McDonald's (thankfully, the kids' tastes have mostly changed).
I don't mind expresso; I'm starting to enjoy those more because it's only 2-4 ounces, rather than 8-12 in a standard coffee for the same jolt.
I don't think women necessarily drink iced coffee more than men so much that they drink various cold drinks made with coffee more than men do. There's a bit of a difference, I think, between "iced coffee," which I think most people interpret to mean coffee and, perhaps, cream or milk and sugar (I personally drink mine black), versus the various frappucinos and all those other fancy things with tons of stuff mixed into them that some people get and that seem to be popular among women. If you went into a coffee shop and asked for "iced coffee" you wouldn't get the elaborate froo-froo stuff.
Quote from: webny99 on August 27, 2021, 04:12:22 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 27, 2021, 04:06:53 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 27, 2021, 04:05:05 PM
I do not drink coffee at all. Tried it once, many years ago, when I was in my teens. Did not like it. Haven't had it since.
I dislike black coffee, but surprisingly I find it more tolerable if it's iced.
Probably because iced coffee usually comes with cream/sugar, or you'd probably add them if you made your own.
No. The first time I ever had iced coffee, it was black.
Quote from: formulanone on August 27, 2021, 04:48:41 PM
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 27, 2021, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 27, 2021, 04:11:25 PM
Not only do females seem to talk about this stuff a lot more, they also probably have a better understanding of what all those different words actually mean, so they can have a more intelligent conversation about them :)
Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but I kiiind of feel like we're just tiptoeing around the conclusion that women do drink iced coffee more than men.
Preferable on a hot day, but not exactly my go-to choice...usually if I'm stuck eating at a McDonald's (thankfully, the kids' tastes have mostly changed).
I don't mind expresso; I'm starting to enjoy those more because it's only 2-4 ounces, rather than 8-12 in a standard coffee for the same jolt.
Actually espresso will have less caffeine than a cup of coffee. A double espresso is 2 oz. which will have about 80 mg of caffeine whereas a 12 oz. drip coffee has about 120 mg.
Chris
Quote from: hbelkins on August 27, 2021, 04:05:05 PM
I do not drink coffee at all. Tried it once, many years ago, when I was in my teens. Did not like it. Haven't had it since.
I periodically try some once every few years or so, just in case my tastes have changed. They don't. The only way I can drink the stuff is to drown it in enough sugar/milk/creamer that I can barely taste the coffee. If I'm going to do that, I'd rather admit defeat and just drink a glass of milk.
Quote from: Rothman on August 27, 2021, 03:45:51 PM
Coffee is for sissies.
How does a real man get his caffeine fix, then? Does he go straight to the Caffeine God atop Mount Cocoamore and kneel before His Beaniness until He answers the man's groggy prayers and injects the caffeine straight into his veins?
Quote from: Ned Weasel on August 27, 2021, 07:48:48 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 27, 2021, 03:45:51 PM
Coffee is for sissies.
How does a real man get his caffeine fix, then? Does he go straight to the Caffeine God atop Mount Cocoamore and kneel before His Beaniness until He answers the man's groggy prayers and injects the caffeine straight into his veins?
You get your adrenaline fix by hunting or doing other übermenchy stuff. It bombards your red-blooded veins with brotons, which sends a flush of testarossastone so you can masculinize your behavior and scare away others with a mere primal scream.
I just shoot road signs with a camera, works for me.
Similar vibe at a bar. I'm partial to mojitos, caipirinhas and other flavorful drinks if the bar is good with them, but if we're all drinking beers and I order a cosmo, I'm making a statement whether I want to or not.
:pan:
Quote from: formulanone on August 27, 2021, 07:57:05 PM
Quote from: Ned Weasel on August 27, 2021, 07:48:48 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 27, 2021, 03:45:51 PM
Coffee is for sissies.
How does a real man get his caffeine fix, then? Does he go straight to the Caffeine God atop Mount Cocoamore and kneel before His Beaniness until He answers the man's groggy prayers and injects the caffeine straight into his veins?
You get your adrenaline fix by hunting or doing other übermenchy stuff. It bombards your red-blooded veins with brotons, which sends a flush of testarossastone so you can masculinize your behavior and scare away others with a mere primal scream.
I just shoot road signs with a camera, works for me.
Never got an adrenaline rush from shooting signs with my camera, maybe I'm just not hardcore enough? I do get my caffeine needs though from Mountain Dew.
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 27, 2021, 05:12:00 PM
Quote from: formulanone on August 27, 2021, 04:48:41 PM
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 27, 2021, 04:24:13 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 27, 2021, 04:11:25 PM
Not only do females seem to talk about this stuff a lot more, they also probably have a better understanding of what all those different words actually mean, so they can have a more intelligent conversation about them :)
Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but I kiiind of feel like we're just tiptoeing around the conclusion that women do drink iced coffee more than men.
Preferable on a hot day, but not exactly my go-to choice...usually if I'm stuck eating at a McDonald's (thankfully, the kids' tastes have mostly changed).
I don't mind expresso; I'm starting to enjoy those more because it's only 2-4 ounces, rather than 8-12 in a standard coffee for the same jolt.
Actually espresso will have less caffeine than a cup of coffee. A double espresso is 2 oz. which will have about 80 mg of caffeine whereas a 12 oz. drip coffee has about 120 mg.
Chris
They all vary widely by varoety of bean, manner of brewing, and additions. I wouldn't try to generalize.
Quote from: kurumi on August 28, 2021, 11:34:33 AM
Similar vibe at a bar. I'm partial to mojitos, caipirinhas and other flavorful drinks if the bar is good with them, but if we're all drinking beers and I order a cosmo, I'm making a statement whether I want to or not.
My dad (who was very blue collar and expected strict conformation to society's gender expectations) publicly ridiculed me to our family at a wedding a decade ago when I tried to order a sex on the beach at the open bar.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 28, 2021, 11:40:08 AM
:pan:Quote from: formulanone on August 27, 2021, 07:57:05 PM
Quote from: Ned Weasel on August 27, 2021, 07:48:48 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 27, 2021, 03:45:51 PM
Coffee is for sissies.
How does a real man get his caffeine fix, then? Does he go straight to the Caffeine God atop Mount Cocoamore and kneel before His Beaniness until He answers the man's groggy prayers and injects the caffeine straight into his veins?
You get your adrenaline fix by hunting or doing other übermenchy stuff. It bombards your red-blooded veins with brotons, which sends a flush of testarossastone so you can masculinize your behavior and scare away others with a mere primal scream.
I just shoot road signs with a camera, works for me.
Never got an adrenaline rush from shooting signs with my camera, maybe I'm just not hardcore enough? I do get my caffeine needs though from Mountain Dew.
You could beat the sign
with the camera, but if there's a large enough bone lying around, one can use that for striking.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 28, 2021, 05:25:48 PM
Quote from: kurumi on August 28, 2021, 11:34:33 AM
Similar vibe at a bar. I'm partial to mojitos, caipirinhas and other flavorful drinks if the bar is good with them, but if we're all drinking beers and I order a cosmo, I'm making a statement whether I want to or not.
My dad (who was very blue collar and expected strict conformation to society's gender expectations) publicly ridiculed me to our family at a wedding a decade ago when I tried to order a sex on the beach at the open bar.
Because what would a family wedding be without some unnecessary drama?
I like pop singers like Ariana Grande
Quote from: kkt on August 28, 2021, 08:32:55 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 28, 2021, 05:25:48 PM
Quote from: kurumi on August 28, 2021, 11:34:33 AM
Similar vibe at a bar. I'm partial to mojitos, caipirinhas and other flavorful drinks if the bar is good with them, but if we're all drinking beers and I order a cosmo, I'm making a statement whether I want to or not.
My dad (who was very blue collar and expected strict conformation to society's gender expectations) publicly ridiculed me to our family at a wedding a decade ago when I tried to order a sex on the beach at the open bar.
Because what would a family wedding be without some unnecessary drama?
Next time order "Wedding Cake by the Ocean" and the bartender should know what to do
I have no need for caffeine. I drink a lot of Diet Coke, but could easily drink the gold-label caffeine-free Diet Coke and not miss the caffeine at all.
Quote from: hbelkins on August 29, 2021, 06:43:15 PM
I have no need for caffeine. I drink a lot of Diet Coke, but could easily drink the gold-label caffeine-free Diet Coke and not miss the caffeine at all.
I think your body would miss it quite dearly. Virtually everyone who gives up caffeine has a few days to a week of caffeine withdrawal. Usually headaches.
On another note: I specifically drink coffee to avoid soda (coffee is massively healthier). Even the "zero" sodas are loaded with garbage, even if they lack stuff like sugar or caffeine.
I regret trying the new Coke coffee flavor. Goodness. They taste so bad, that's like black licorice on steroids. Yuck. Coke Coffee. Not. for. me. Noooope.
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on August 29, 2021, 08:56:50 PM
I regret trying the new Coke coffee flavor. Goodness. They taste so bad, that's like black licorice on steroids. Yuck. Coke Coffee. Not. for. me. Noooope.
I actually quite enjoy the vanilla and caramel flavors. First grabbed one due to sheer curiosity at a convenience store, and honestly found it pretty good.
Quote from: jakeroot on August 30, 2021, 12:03:56 PM
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on August 29, 2021, 08:56:50 PM
I regret trying the new Coke coffee flavor. Goodness. They taste so bad, that's like black licorice on steroids. Yuck. Coke Coffee. Not. for. me. Noooope.
I actually quite enjoy the vanilla and caramel flavors. First grabbed one due to sheer curiosity at a convenience store, and honestly found it pretty good.
Big fan of the Orange Vanilla Coke flavor (my fiancée makes fun of me every time I buy it :-D) - on a related note, there is also a limited edition Captain Morgan Orange Vanilla Twist...highly recommend :awesomeface:
As for the Coke coffee flavor - never tried it, but I can see why it wouldn't be good. I usually keep coke & coffee separated in terms of intake - if I need caffeine, I go for one or the other, not both :coffee:
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 28, 2021, 11:02:48 PM
I like pop singers like Ariana Grande
Can confirm she puts on a great show - saw her headlining set at Lollapalooza 2019 (she'd just released Boyfriend a few days beforehand, so everyone went nuts when she performed it live for the first time).
Quote from: jmacswimmer on August 30, 2021, 12:27:40 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on August 30, 2021, 12:03:56 PM
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on August 29, 2021, 08:56:50 PM
I regret trying the new Coke coffee flavor. Goodness. They taste so bad, that's like black licorice on steroids. Yuck. Coke Coffee. Not. for. me. Noooope.
I actually quite enjoy the vanilla and caramel flavors. First grabbed one due to sheer curiosity at a convenience store, and honestly found it pretty good.
Big fan of the Orange Vanilla Coke flavor (my fiancée makes fun of me every time I buy it :-D) - on a related note, there is also a limited edition Captain Morgan Orange Vanilla Twist...highly recommend :awesomeface:
As for the Coke coffee flavor - never tried it, but I can see why it wouldn't be good. I usually keep coke & coffee separated in terms of intake - if I need caffeine, I go for one or the other, not both :coffee:
Just to be clear, this "Coke Coffee" is not a flavor in itself, but a brand of canned cold brew with Coca-Cola flavor underlying it. It's not much different than the canned Starbucks drinks, besides the taste.
The three Coke Coffee flavors are caramel, vanilla, and dark blend, as well as zero-sugar versions of the latter two.
Also: I don't think this has anything to do with being manly or not. :-D
Quote from: jakeroot on August 30, 2021, 04:26:58 PM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on August 30, 2021, 12:27:40 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on August 30, 2021, 12:03:56 PM
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on August 29, 2021, 08:56:50 PM
I regret trying the new Coke coffee flavor. Goodness. They taste so bad, that's like black licorice on steroids. Yuck. Coke Coffee. Not. for. me. Noooope.
I actually quite enjoy the vanilla and caramel flavors. First grabbed one due to sheer curiosity at a convenience store, and honestly found it pretty good.
Big fan of the Orange Vanilla Coke flavor (my fiancée makes fun of me every time I buy it :-D) - on a related note, there is also a limited edition Captain Morgan Orange Vanilla Twist...highly recommend :awesomeface:
As for the Coke coffee flavor - never tried it, but I can see why it wouldn't be good. I usually keep coke & coffee separated in terms of intake - if I need caffeine, I go for one or the other, not both :coffee:
Just to be clear, this "Coke Coffee" is not a flavor in itself, but a brand of canned cold brew with Coca-Cola flavor underlying it. It's not much different than the canned Starbucks drinks, besides the taste.
The three Coke Coffee flavors are caramel, vanilla, and dark blend, as well as zero-sugar versions of the latter two.
Oops...silly me, thanks for clarifying :pan: (although FWIW, I can't say this coke-flavored cold brew sounds any more appealing than the coffee-flavored coke I was picturing)
Quote from: jakeroot on August 30, 2021, 04:26:58 PM
Also: I don't think this has anything to do with being manly or not. :-D
Speaking as someone who consumes just as much flavored iced coffee as his fiancée, I completely agree :-D
So is the contention in this thread that iced coffee is less manly than hot coffee? Because I would bet a good amount of people think iced tea is more manly than hot tea. Weird dichotomy.
Chris
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 31, 2021, 08:48:52 AM
So is the contention in this thread that iced coffee is less manly than hot coffee? Because I would bet a good amount of people think iced tea is more manly than hot tea. Weird dichotomy.
Yes, I think it's fairly consensus that coffee is more of a "masculine" drink than tea.
Although I'm not sure how you apply that to the iced versions... personally I think iced coffee and iced tea are fairly neutral compared to their respective hot drinks. If they're both somewhere between hot coffee and hot tea, that essentially makes them equivalent, which I think is fair.
Quote from: webny99 on August 31, 2021, 11:19:14 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 31, 2021, 08:48:52 AM
So is the contention in this thread that iced coffee is less manly than hot coffee? Because I would bet a good amount of people think iced tea is more manly than hot tea. Weird dichotomy.
Yes, I think it's fairly consensus that coffee is more of a "masculine" drink than tea.
Although I'm not sure how you apply that to the iced versions... personally I think iced coffee and iced tea are fairly neutral compared to their respective hot drinks. If they're both somewhere between hot coffee and hot tea, that essentially makes them equivalent, which I think is fair.
From my years in the restaurant industry, I think my spectrum is probably (from most "manly" to least):
I. Black Coffee (hot or iced)
II.
A. Coffee w/ Cream and/or Sugar (hot or iced)
B. Iced Tea
III.
A. Coffee With a Whole Bunch of Flavors, i.e. Pumpkin Spiced Latte or Frappuccino (hot or iced)
B. Hot Tea
IV. Hot Water w/ Lemon
Chris
Quote from: noelbotevera on July 21, 2021, 11:38:48 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 04:06:11 PM
* I drink hot tea. Every day. Multiple times per day. In fact, I keep a collection of various kinds of loose-leaf tea at the office.
Feel like this is perfectly accepted, considering the stereotypical Brit is a tea-sipping, moustache twirling, fine specimen of a gent.
Quote from: webny99 on August 31, 2021, 11:19:14 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 31, 2021, 08:48:52 AM
So is the contention in this thread that iced coffee is less manly than hot coffee? Because I would bet a good amount of people think iced tea is more manly than hot tea. Weird dichotomy.
Yes, I think it's fairly consensus that coffee is more of a "masculine" drink than tea.
Sorry, |noelbotevera|, but "the consensus" has spoken.
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 31, 2021, 12:06:36 PM
From my years in the restaurant industry, I think my spectrum is probably (from most "manly" to least):
I. Black Coffee (hot or iced)
II.
A. Coffee w/ Cream and/or Sugar (hot or iced)
B. Iced Tea
III.
A. Coffee With a Whole Bunch of Flavors, i.e. Pumpkin Spiced Latte or Frappuccino (hot or iced)
B. Hot Tea
IV. Hot Water w/ Lemon
Chris
And for the record, I don't really drink coffee anymore (hits my stomach a little too quickly if you catch my drift) and I do occasionally drink hot tea. I don't give a shit whether or not it's manly, but I still think that my hierarchy above is valid based on hospitality experience.
Chris
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 31, 2021, 12:06:36 PM
IV. Hot Water w/ Lemon
Who drinks that? Never heard of such a thing.
Quote from: webny99 on August 31, 2021, 03:18:10 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 31, 2021, 12:06:36 PM
IV. Hot Water w/ Lemon
Who drinks that? Never heard of such a thing.
Hot tea with lemon? Definitely a thing.
Hot water with lemon (and maybe honey)? I make that if I have a terrible cold to soothe my throat, but that's about it.
Quote from: kphoger on August 31, 2021, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on July 21, 2021, 11:38:48 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 04:06:11 PM
* I drink hot tea. Every day. Multiple times per day. In fact, I keep a collection of various kinds of loose-leaf tea at the office.
Feel like this is perfectly accepted, considering the stereotypical Brit is a tea-sipping, moustache twirling, fine specimen of a gent.
Quote from: webny99 on August 31, 2021, 11:19:14 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 31, 2021, 08:48:52 AM
So is the contention in this thread that iced coffee is less manly than hot coffee? Because I would bet a good amount of people think iced tea is more manly than hot tea. Weird dichotomy.
Yes, I think it's fairly consensus that coffee is more of a "masculine" drink than tea.
Sorry, |noelbotevera|, but "the consensus" has spoken.
The American consensus is, of course, very different from the British consensus, and has been for several centuries now. :D
Quote from: webny99 on August 31, 2021, 03:18:10 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 31, 2021, 12:06:36 PM
IV. Hot Water w/ Lemon
Who drinks that? Never heard of such a thing.
More than you'd think. Anecdotally, I think in my serving/bartending/managing career, maybe only one male, all the rest women.
Chris
Quote from: webny99 on August 31, 2021, 03:18:10 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 31, 2021, 12:06:36 PM
IV. Hot Water w/ Lemon
Who drinks that? Never heard of such a thing.
I've had hot water with lemon and honey as a treatment for a sore throat. It's pretty effective, though I wouldn't drink it just for the taste if I was well.
Quote from: kphoger on August 31, 2021, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on July 21, 2021, 11:38:48 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 21, 2021, 04:06:11 PM
* I drink hot tea. Every day. Multiple times per day. In fact, I keep a collection of various kinds of loose-leaf tea at the office.
Feel like this is perfectly accepted, considering the stereotypical Brit is a tea-sipping, moustache twirling, fine specimen of a gent.
Quote from: webny99 on August 31, 2021, 11:19:14 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 31, 2021, 08:48:52 AM
So is the contention in this thread that iced coffee is less manly than hot coffee? Because I would bet a good amount of people think iced tea is more manly than hot tea. Weird dichotomy.
Yes, I think it's fairly consensus that coffee is more of a "masculine" drink than tea.
Sorry, |noelbotevera|, but "the consensus" has spoken.
Ah, gobbledlygook. Tea is the second most consumed beverage in the world, so in other words all other 195(ish) nations agree with me.
If that many people are drinking tea, there must be lots of women drinking it as well as men!
:no:
Hot, black coffee that costs 59 cents a mug at the kind of place that burns everybody's toast. Man.
Quote from: kkt on August 31, 2021, 07:29:49 PM
If that many people are drinking tea, there must be lots of women drinking it as well as men!
:no:
My wife tries to get me interested in tea, I don't get the appeal.
My grandmother fixed iced tea all the time. It was always a treat to have a big pitcher of tea ready for us after we'd mowed her yard and were all hot and sweaty. It's not my drink of choice now, but I still enjoy a glass of tea (artificially sweetened) from time to time.
I bought one of those tea brewers back in the 1990s, and used to take a jug of it with me to work to keep in the fridge to drink. I can't remember why I got out of the habit of doing that.
I was never a huge fan of hot tea, but iced tea can sure hit the spot sometimes.
I don't like the flavored teas you get at the cooler of your nearby Sheetz/Speedway/other convenience store, though. And I don't want lemon in my tea.
I'm trying to get more into tea. It's good for your body, doesn't have near the caffeine load, and it's just nice to have a "ritual" beverage that isn't bad for you. Less whiskey neat. More tea for relaxation.
I have a box of Rose City Tea Genmaicha coming today which I've been recommended. We'll see how it goes.
Chris
Tea lowers your ability to absorb iron and causes increased anxiety and therefore poor sleep. It can cause nausea, heartburn, pregnancy complications, headaches, dizziness and then you can just end up addicted to it. :D
Quote from: Rothman on September 01, 2021, 04:32:57 PM
Tea lowers your ability to absorb iron and causes increased anxiety and therefore poor sleep. It can cause nausea, heartburn, pregnancy complications, headaches, dizziness and then you can just end up addicted to it. :D
Saw that top Google search result as well. It
may do those things. It also
may contain antioxidants, reduce risk of heart disease and stroke, help with weight loss, help protect bones, help protect tooth enamel, boost the immune system, help prevent cancer, and calm nausea (in opposition to your link above).
Either way, I don't think anyone can dispute that it's better for you than lots of other drinks (alcohol, soda, energy drinks, etc.)
Chris
Quote from: kphoger on August 31, 2021, 03:21:04 PM
Hot water with lemon (and maybe honey)? I make that if I have a terrible cold to soothe my throat, but that's about it.
i try to keep my consumption of insect vomit to a bare minimum.
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on September 11, 2021, 03:22:14 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 31, 2021, 03:21:04 PM
Hot water with lemon (and maybe honey)? I make that if I have a terrible cold to soothe my throat, but that's about it.
i try to keep my consumption of insect vomit to a bare minimum.
The benefits of honey are many.
What else do you avoid? Animal muscles?
I worked with an older gentleman that had been a mechanic forever ;-). Working in a garage with little ventilation during FL summers ie 90°+ & 70% humidity he drank/drunk ;-)? hot coffee all day. He said it helped his body deal with the heat. Probably alot of you do the same......yes?
RIP Harry, you taught me so much about fixing cars :-(
Oh, I assume any man over the age of, say, 55 doesn't think I'm a "real man."
I routinely buy salad dressing called Skinny Girl Light Balsamic Vinaigrette (https://bgfoods.com/brands/skinnygirl-dressings/product/balsamic-vinaigrette/).
It's one of the few on the shelf with no added sugars, no carbs, low fat, low sodium; although it's not very rich with oils, it has no weird aftertaste.
Quote from: formulanone on September 15, 2021, 01:52:05 PM
I routinely buy salad dressing called Skinny Girl Light Balsamic Vinaigrette (https://bgfoods.com/brands/skinnygirl-dressings/product/balsamic-vinaigrette/).
It's one of the few on the shelf with no added sugars, no carbs, low fat, low sodium; although it's not very rich with oils, it has no weird aftertaste.
Pffft, there's nothing un-manly about eating healthy. The name is what it is, but whenever they try and come up with a male equivalent (see, eg, DEVOUR, which are Lean Cuisines FOR MEN), it's really, really dumb.
Quote from: abefroman329 on September 15, 2021, 01:59:30 PM
Quote from: formulanone on September 15, 2021, 01:52:05 PM
I routinely buy salad dressing called Skinny Girl Light Balsamic Vinaigrette (https://bgfoods.com/brands/skinnygirl-dressings/product/balsamic-vinaigrette/).
It's one of the few on the shelf with no added sugars, no carbs, low fat, low sodium; although it's not very rich with oils, it has no weird aftertaste.
Pffft, there's nothing un-manly about eating healthy. The name is what it is, but whenever they try and come up with a male equivalent (see, eg, DEVOUR, which are Lean Cuisines FOR MEN), it's really, really dumb.
...or missing Paleo-Aggro Caveman Keto from the title.
Personally, I don't care what they call it. It could be Hello Kitty Sauce for all I care, but it works.
I'm hopelessly bad at throwing a baseball or football, and I dread the day I have to teach my son to do either.
I honestly can't think of anything else. I used to drink black coffee until it stopped agreeing with my stomach. I smoked cigarettes like a man when I smoked. I can do basic maintenance on cars (I even replaced the windshield washer fluid pump in our old Camry) and have basic knowledge of power tools. I know how to cook meat on a gas grill thanks to recipes on the Internet and trial-and-error (a good meat thermometer helps immensely).
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Try posting that again.
That was a picture of his man card. Since he surrendered it here, now the image is broken.
I tie a hoodie around my waist sometimes. My mother would always whine about it because it looked "girly" or "gay".
Quote from: index on September 16, 2021, 04:31:49 PM
I tie a hoodie around my waist sometimes. My mother would always whine about it because it looked "girly" or "gay".
It's neither. It's practical.
You could try always try tying it around your shoulders, like WASPs do with their pullovers.
As an aside, Google Images search on {man card} returns interesting results. My personal favorite is a card with a pen-and-ink sketch of a bearded Edwardian dandy, with the following around the edge (punch as applicable):
* Grow epic beard
* Carry buckskin knife
* Learn to weld
* Enter lumberjack contest
* Hike Appalachian Trail solo
* Rebuild engine (any)
* Be 1/10 as manly as Steve McQueen
* Drink Glenlivet 18, neat
* Stop purse snatcher
* Build log cabin
* Survive rattlesnake bite
* Take up smoking tobacco from pipe
* Rescue kitten from tree
* Earn huge face scar
* Kill 12-point buck with bow
Quote from: J N Winkler on September 16, 2021, 06:08:45 PM
As an aside, Google Images search on {man card} returns interesting results. My personal favorite is a card with a pen-and-ink sketch of a bearded Edwardian dandy, with the following around the edge (punch as applicable):
* Enter lumberjack contest
Yes! It's hard to imagine anything more manly. I haven't watched the whole video, but this should probably be a good example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FshU58nI0Ts
Quote from: J N Winkler on September 16, 2021, 06:08:45 PM
As an aside, Google Images search on {man card} returns interesting results. My personal favorite is a card with a pen-and-ink sketch of a bearded Edwardian dandy, with the following around the edge (punch as applicable):
* Drink Glenlivet 18, neat
I mean, how else would you drink it? If you add anything more than a couple drops of water, you're ruining it.
Chris
Quote from: J N Winkler on September 16, 2021, 06:08:45 PM
As an aside, Google Images search on {man card} returns interesting results. My personal favorite is a card with a pen-and-ink sketch of a bearded Edwardian dandy, with the following around the edge (punch as applicable):
* Grow epic beard
* Carry buckskin knife
* Learn to weld
* Enter lumberjack contest
* Hike Appalachian Trail solo
* Rebuild engine (any)
* Be 1/10 as manly as Steve McQueen
* Drink Glenlivet 18, neat
* Stop purse snatcher
* Build log cabin
* Survive rattlesnake bite
* Take up smoking tobacco from pipe
* Rescue kitten from tree
* Earn huge face scar
* Kill 12-point buck with bow
That'd be a 0 for me - I have a beard, but it's not epic unless you think Riker's beard was epic.
Quote from: J N Winkler on September 16, 2021, 06:08:45 PM
As an aside, Google Images search on {man card} returns interesting results. My personal favorite is a card with a pen-and-ink sketch of a bearded Edwardian dandy, with the following around the edge (punch as applicable):
* Grow epic beard
* Carry buckskin knife
* Learn to weld
* Enter lumberjack contest
* Hike Appalachian Trail solo
* Rebuild engine (any)
* Be 1/10 as manly as Steve McQueen
* Drink Glenlivet 18, neat
* Stop purse snatcher
* Build log cabin
* Survive rattlesnake bite
* Take up smoking tobacco from pipe
* Rescue kitten from tree
* Earn huge face scar
* Kill 12-point buck with bow
I have exactly one point. I have a beard, but it's not epic. I earned face scars from getting chicken pox when I was a kid, but they're not huge. So, I get half a point in each case.
I don't know how to compare myself to Steve McQueen, so I'm not even going to try to calculate that one.
I've got 7, although I was a little kid when I rescued the kitten from the tree. Do the things count if you did them as a kid?
Quote from: kurumi on September 16, 2021, 10:44:14 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on September 16, 2021, 06:08:45 PM
As an aside, Google Images search on {man card} returns interesting results. My personal favorite is a card with a pen-and-ink sketch of a bearded Edwardian dandy, with the following around the edge (punch as applicable):
* Enter lumberjack contest
Yes! It's hard to imagine anything more manly. I haven't watched the whole video, but this should probably be a good example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FshU58nI0Ts
Depending on how much you watched, that video might be far more appropriate for this thread than you know. Though he isn't so much surrendering his man card as he is shredding it into confetti.
Quote from: vdeane on September 17, 2021, 10:29:19 PM
Quote from: kurumi on September 16, 2021, 10:44:14 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on September 16, 2021, 06:08:45 PM
As an aside, Google Images search on {man card} returns interesting results. My personal favorite is a card with a pen-and-ink sketch of a bearded Edwardian dandy, with the following around the edge (punch as applicable):
* Enter lumberjack contest
Yes! It's hard to imagine anything more manly. I haven't watched the whole video, but this should probably be a good example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FshU58nI0Ts
Depending on how much you watched, that video might be far more appropriate for this thread than you know. Though he isn't so much surrendering his man card as he is shredding it into confetti.
I think that was the joke Kurumi was making.
Quote from: jayhawkco on September 16, 2021, 11:58:41 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on September 16, 2021, 06:08:45 PM
As an aside, Google Images search on {man card} returns interesting results. My personal favorite is a card with a pen-and-ink sketch of a bearded Edwardian dandy, with the following around the edge (punch as applicable):
* Drink Glenlivet 18, neat
I mean, how else would you drink it? If you add anything more than a couple drops of water, you're ruining it.
Chris
:nod:
I do smoke tobacco from pipes (although I usually smoke cigars) and I have rescued a kitten. I have a beard, not sure if I'd call it "epic" though.
Quote from: index on September 16, 2021, 04:31:49 PM
I tie a hoodie around my waist sometimes. My mother would always whine about it because it looked "girly" or "gay".
i'd like to wear a fanny pack, but, sadly, there's too much fanny.
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on October 05, 2021, 11:34:08 AMi'd like to wear a fanny pack, but, sadly, there's too much fanny.
Yeah, I have that same problem! :-D
As a guy in his 50's most of my interests and hobbies (Model Railroading, Historical Miniature and Board Wargaming, and reading/watching science fiction, fantasy, and history) tend to be male dominated or neutral, with two exceptions.
I like Hallmark movies, both regular and Christmas as a change of pace, but with a preference to those with a fantastical element.
I am a fan of Gilmore Girls...
Not just a fan, but a serious "JavaJunkie" Luke/Lorelei and "Nudist" Rory/Marty shipper...
Who reads Gilmore Girls fan fiction...