On US 264 I've seen some people drive only 70 mph in the left lane! If you are driving slow, you're supposed to be in the right lane! It's obvious. People don't know how to drive.
Lane choice doesn't have anything to do with what number the needle is pointing to. All that matters is how fast you're going compared to other drivers.
Are tolbs17 and Crash_It the same person?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 05:52:26 PM
Are tolbs17 and Crash_It the same person?
Does tolbs17 blare his horn for a long time at every driver who upsets him and then post the video to YouTube?
Quote from: vdeane on July 22, 2021, 07:12:44 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 05:52:26 PM
Are tolbs17 and Crash_It the same person?
Does tolbs17 blare his horn for a long time at every driver who upsets him and then post the video to YouTube?
True, I'm not even sure if tolbs17 even drives. (Granted my first post was fully sarcastic)
Either way, I'll plug Left Lane Prius on Facebook again like the other thread since this seems to be a popular topic.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 07:23:50 PM
Quote from: vdeane on July 22, 2021, 07:12:44 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 05:52:26 PM
Are tolbs17 and Crash_It the same person?
Does tolbs17 blare his horn for a long time at every driver who upsets him and then post the video to YouTube?
True, I'm not even sure if tolbs17 even drives. (Granted my first post was fully sarcastic)
I do drive, just not on a daily basis.
You know, you can legally pass people on the right in most places that aren't Germany, so long as the right-hand lane is clear and you're not speeding. And it's a lot more efficient and way less bone-headed than tailgating people in the left lane when they aren't going as fast as you'd like.
Old news is old.
Regardless of speed (whether it is a the speed on one's speedometer or in relation to other vehicles) one should not be in the left lane unless passing or to access a left exit.
Quote from: signalman on July 23, 2021, 08:23:15 AM
Regardless of speed (whether it is a the speed on one's speedometer or in relation to other vehicles) one should not be in the left lane unless passing or to access a left exit.
What about during congestion?
Quote from: 1 on July 23, 2021, 08:25:46 AM
Quote from: signalman on July 23, 2021, 08:23:15 AM
Regardless of speed (whether it is a the speed on one's speedometer or in relation to other vehicles) one should not be in the left lane unless passing or to access a left exit.
What about during congestion?
Maybe this is just a Maryland thing, but I often find during congestion that the left lane is where I
don't want to be - typically, cars seem to slam the brakes harder and stop for longer while right lane(s) roll along at, say, 10-20 mph.
Quote from: 1 on July 23, 2021, 08:25:46 AM
Quote from: signalman on July 23, 2021, 08:23:15 AM
Regardless of speed (whether it is a the speed on one's speedometer or in relation to other vehicles) one should not be in the left lane unless passing or to access a left exit.
What about during congestion?
I was referring to free flowing conditions.
Quote from: signalman on July 23, 2021, 08:23:15 AM
Regardless of speed (whether it is a the speed on one's speedometer or in relation to other vehicles) one should not be in the left lane unless passing or to access a left exit.
But if your speed relative to others' is that you're faster than everyone else around you, there's no real reason not to be in the left lane. It only matters when two people want to use the left lane.
Had that happen on I-75 in Oakland County yesterday. Car was moving at like 70 in the left lane every one was moving to the right to pass him. I'm thinking why be in that lane if you aren't moving highway speeds. Traffic in this area generally moves 80 to 85 mph.
Quote from: kphoger on July 23, 2021, 10:11:09 AM
Quote from: signalman on July 23, 2021, 08:23:15 AM
Regardless of speed (whether it is a the speed on one's speedometer or in relation to other vehicles) one should not be in the left lane unless passing or to access a left exit.
But if your speed relative to others' is that you're faster than everyone else around you, there's no real reason not to be in the left lane. It only matters when two people want to use the left lane.
In that case, wouldn't you be passing others then? Hence, using the left lane for its intended purpose.
And how about that airline food?
Quote from: signalman on July 23, 2021, 05:43:07 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 23, 2021, 10:11:09 AM
Quote from: signalman on July 23, 2021, 08:23:15 AM
Regardless of speed (whether it is a the speed on one's speedometer or in relation to other vehicles) one should not be in the left lane unless passing or to access a left exit.
But if your speed relative to others' is that you're faster than everyone else around you, there's no real reason not to be in the left lane. It only matters when two people want to use the left lane.
In that case, wouldn't you be passing others then? Hence, using the left lane for its intended purpose.
Not necessarily. Imagine a rural Interstate with hardly any traffic and nobody within a half-mile of you. Sure, I still drive in the right lane, but being in the left lane isn't causing any problems.
This is why you can't have nice things...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLQrmLXWgd4
Why are you linking a video from 2017?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 12:07:36 AM
Why are you linking a video from 2017?
Cause that was probably the best one that I can find. You got idiots that don't know how to drive
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 28, 2021, 12:12:54 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 12:07:36 AM
Why are you linking a video from 2017?
Cause that was probably the best one that I can find. You got idiots that don't know how to drive
So basically you are here to spam boost your post count again?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 12:14:32 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 28, 2021, 12:12:54 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 12:07:36 AM
Why are you linking a video from 2017?
Cause that was probably the best one that I can find. You got idiots that don't know how to drive
So basically you are here to spam boost your post count again?
NO! I just posted this cause I had nothing to do. And that happens A LOT.
That is JUST an example.
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 28, 2021, 12:25:00 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 12:14:32 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 28, 2021, 12:12:54 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 12:07:36 AM
Why are you linking a video from 2017?
Cause that was probably the best one that I can find. You got idiots that don't know how to drive
So basically you are here to spam boost your post count again?
NO! I just posted this cause I had nothing to do. And that happens A LOT.
That is JUST an example.
You could try sleep instead of garbage posting.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 12:32:05 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 28, 2021, 12:25:00 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 12:14:32 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 28, 2021, 12:12:54 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 12:07:36 AM
Why are you linking a video from 2017?
Cause that was probably the best one that I can find. You got idiots that don't know how to drive
So basically you are here to spam boost your post count again?
NO! I just posted this cause I had nothing to do. And that happens A LOT.
That is JUST an example.
You could try sleep instead of garbage posting.
Will do.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 12:32:05 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 28, 2021, 12:25:00 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 12:14:32 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 28, 2021, 12:12:54 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 12:07:36 AM
Why are you linking a video from 2017?
Cause that was probably the best one that I can find. You got idiots that don't know how to drive
So basically you are here to spam boost your post count again?
NO! I just posted this cause I had nothing to do. And that happens A LOT.
That is JUST an example.
You could try sleep instead of garbage posting.
Or step away from AARoads for a bit and call up Mary Hannah and ask her out.
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 28, 2021, 12:25:00 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 12:14:32 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 28, 2021, 12:12:54 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 12:07:36 AM
Why are you linking a video from 2017?
Cause that was probably the best one that I can find. You got idiots that don't know how to drive
So basically you are here to spam boost your post count again?
NO! I just posted this cause I had nothing to do.
So basically you are here to spam boost your post count again?
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 23, 2021, 05:48:07 PM
And how about that airline food?
I read about those in history class!
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 28, 2021, 12:04:58 AM
This is why you can't have nice things...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLQrmLXWgd4
It's precisely why hanging out in the left lane for no good reason is unsafe: you force traffic both slower than you and faster than you into sharing the same (right) lane.
In other news, water is wet, and one day your back will itch.
I feel like we have umpteen threads on this at any given time.
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 28, 2021, 07:28:47 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 28, 2021, 12:25:00 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 12:14:32 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 28, 2021, 12:12:54 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 28, 2021, 12:07:36 AM
Why are you linking a video from 2017?
Cause that was probably the best one that I can find. You got idiots that don't know how to drive
So basically you are here to spam boost your post count again?
NO! I just posted this cause I had nothing to do.
So basically you are here to spam boost your post count again?
No
The posts accusing tolbs17 of "spam boosting" is starting to feel spammy. Then the accused spammer responds to the spam accusation and is further labeled a "spammer"!
(https://www.spam.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/image-product_spam-classic-12oz-420x420.png)
Quote from: tradephoric on July 28, 2021, 02:39:41 PM
So basically you are here to spam boost your post count?
Luncheon meat aside, I agree that people often drive too slow in the left lane.
New Jersey tried fixing this with a quixotic law that mandates "keep right except to pass", I once had a New Jersey resident try to explain this to me while stopped at a stop light. In open traffic the concept makes sense, but when both lanes are packed full its moronic. :pan:
Quote from: HighwayStar on July 28, 2021, 06:00:16 PM
Luncheon meat aside, I agree that people often drive too slow in the left lane.
New Jersey tried fixing this with a quixotic law that mandates "keep right except to pass", I once had a New Jersey resident try to explain this to me while stopped at a stop light. In open traffic the concept makes sense, but when both lanes are packed full its moronic. :pan:
Then you're reading into it too much, almost as if you're finding an excuse to stay in the left lane.
Do you also find speed limits moronic when there's congestion? What's the point of a speed limit when there's congestion and no one can reach the limit anyway?
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 28, 2021, 06:15:09 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on July 28, 2021, 06:00:16 PM
Luncheon meat aside, I agree that people often drive too slow in the left lane.
New Jersey tried fixing this with a quixotic law that mandates "keep right except to pass", I once had a New Jersey resident try to explain this to me while stopped at a stop light. In open traffic the concept makes sense, but when both lanes are packed full its moronic. :pan:
Then you're reading into it too much, almost as if you're finding an excuse to stay in the left lane.
Do you also find speed limits moronic when there's congestion? What's the point of a speed limit when there's congestion and no one can reach the limit anyway?
I am not the one reading it too much, that was the error of the New Jersey resident suggesting I move over, despite the fact that both lanes were solid for a mile or better with cars.
I live in California. Almost everyone drives in the left lane when there are only two lanes. I hate it, but I've come to accept it and have (mostly) made my peace with it. At least until the next time I get behind the wheel. :D
Quote from: HighwayStar on July 28, 2021, 06:16:12 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 28, 2021, 06:15:09 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on July 28, 2021, 06:00:16 PM
Luncheon meat aside, I agree that people often drive too slow in the left lane.
New Jersey tried fixing this with a quixotic law that mandates "keep right except to pass", I once had a New Jersey resident try to explain this to me while stopped at a stop light. In open traffic the concept makes sense, but when both lanes are packed full its moronic. :pan:
Then you're reading into it too much, almost as if you're finding an excuse to stay in the left lane.
Do you also find speed limits moronic when there's congestion? What's the point of a speed limit when there's congestion and no one can reach the limit anyway?
I am not the one reading it too much, that was the error of the New Jersey resident suggesting I move over, despite the fact that both lanes were solid for a mile or better with cars.
Here's my unofficial guideline: If someone in the left lane was able to merge to the right, pass a slower driver in the left lane, and get back into the left lane, then there was enough room for that person to have moved over to the right lane in the first place.
Like I said, unofficial. Obviously there are assholes that will cut people off with inches to spare to get around someone to gain 20 ft. But if someone is continuously being passed in this manner, chances are they are driving too slow for the left lane.
Quote from: HighwayStar on July 28, 2021, 06:16:12 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 28, 2021, 06:15:09 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on July 28, 2021, 06:00:16 PM
Luncheon meat aside, I agree that people often drive too slow in the left lane.
New Jersey tried fixing this with a quixotic law that mandates "keep right except to pass", I once had a New Jersey resident try to explain this to me while stopped at a stop light. In open traffic the concept makes sense, but when both lanes are packed full its moronic. :pan:
Then you're reading into it too much, almost as if you're finding an excuse to stay in the left lane.
Do you also find speed limits moronic when there's congestion? What's the point of a speed limit when there's congestion and no one can reach the limit anyway?
I am not the one reading it too much, that was the error of the New Jersey resident suggesting I move over, despite the fact that both lanes were solid for a mile or better with cars.
I'd say it's a pretty easy assumption that, if there's congestion such that the right lane is a solid mile-long line of cars, then it isn't "available for travel"–in which case the law you're referring to does not apply.
Quote from: 2013 New Jersey Revised Statutes
Title 39 - MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC REGULATION
Section 39:4-88 - Traffic on marked lanes
When a roadway has been divided into clearly marked lanes for traffic, drivers of vehicles shall obey the following regulations:
a. A vehicle shall normally be driven in the lane nearest the right-hand edge or curb of the roadway when that lane is available for travel, except when overtaking another vehicle or in preparation for a left turn.
Quote from: kphoger on July 29, 2021, 10:16:38 AM
Quote from: HighwayStar on July 28, 2021, 06:16:12 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 28, 2021, 06:15:09 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on July 28, 2021, 06:00:16 PM
Luncheon meat aside, I agree that people often drive too slow in the left lane.
New Jersey tried fixing this with a quixotic law that mandates "keep right except to pass", I once had a New Jersey resident try to explain this to me while stopped at a stop light. In open traffic the concept makes sense, but when both lanes are packed full its moronic. :pan:
Then you're reading into it too much, almost as if you're finding an excuse to stay in the left lane.
Do you also find speed limits moronic when there's congestion? What's the point of a speed limit when there's congestion and no one can reach the limit anyway?
I am not the one reading it too much, that was the error of the New Jersey resident suggesting I move over, despite the fact that both lanes were solid for a mile or better with cars.
I'd say it's a pretty easy assumption that, if there's congestion such that the right lane is a solid mile-long line of cars, then it isn't "available for travel"–in which case the law you're referring to does not apply.
Quote from: 2013 New Jersey Revised Statutes
Title 39 - MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC REGULATION
Section 39:4-88 - Traffic on marked lanes
When a roadway has been divided into clearly marked lanes for traffic, drivers of vehicles shall obey the following regulations:
a. A vehicle shall normally be driven in the lane nearest the right-hand edge or curb of the roadway when that lane is available for travel, except when overtaking another vehicle or in preparation for a left turn.
And you would be correct, but again, the residents of the state did not understand how their own law worked. I am not sure if that is the actual statute or not, but in any case NJ is one state where such a law makes little sense.
Quote from: HighwayStar on July 29, 2021, 10:27:56 AM
Quote from: kphoger on July 29, 2021, 10:16:38 AM
Quote from: 2013 New Jersey Revised Statutes
Title 39 - MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC REGULATION
Section 39:4-88 - Traffic on marked lanes
When a roadway has been divided into clearly marked lanes for traffic, drivers of vehicles shall obey the following regulations:
a. A vehicle shall normally be driven in the lane nearest the right-hand edge or curb of the roadway when that lane is available for travel, except when overtaking another vehicle or in preparation for a left turn.
And you would be correct, but again, the residents of the state did not understand how their own law worked. I am not sure if that is the actual statute or not, but in any case NJ is one state where such a law makes little sense.
Why aren't you sure if that's the actual statute? I just cited it.
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 05:33:42 PM
On US 264 I've seen some people drive only 70 mph in the left lane! If you are driving slow, you're supposed to be in the right lane! It's obvious. People don't know how to drive.
I wouldn't consider driving the speed limit to be slow. If the limit is 70 and they are passing people doing 69 or less, then they have every right to be in that lane until they finish passing every single driver going slower than 70 and you just have to suck it up and wait. I hate being on I55 or I57 in IL and have people like you come up from behind me when I'm passing a line of trucks.
Quote from: Crash_It on July 29, 2021, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 05:33:42 PM
On US 264 I've seen some people drive only 70 mph in the left lane! If you are driving slow, you're supposed to be in the right lane! It's obvious. People don't know how to drive.
I wouldn't consider driving the speed limit to be slow. If the limit is 70 and they are passing people doing 69 or less, then they have every right to be in that lane until they finish passing every single driver going slower than 70 and you just have to suck it up and weight. I hate being on I55 or I57 in IL and have people like you come up from behind me when I'm passing a line of trucks.
Yep. If they're obeying the speed limit, and they're actually passing other vehicles, then what complaint do you really have?
Quote from: kphoger on July 29, 2021, 01:25:00 PM
Quote from: Crash_It on July 29, 2021, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 05:33:42 PM
On US 264 I've seen some people drive only 70 mph in the left lane! If you are driving slow, you're supposed to be in the right lane! It's obvious. People don't know how to drive.
I wouldn't consider driving the speed limit to be slow. If the limit is 70 and they are passing people doing 69 or less, then they have every right to be in that lane until they finish passing every single driver going slower than 70 and you just have to suck it up and weight. I hate being on I55 or I57 in IL and have people like you come up from behind me when I'm passing a line of trucks.
Yep. If they're obeying the speed limit, and they're actually passing other vehicles, then what complaint do you really have?
The vehicles that then proceed to sit there after passing and refuse to move over because they're "approaching" another group they're going to pass, when there's plenty of adequate room to move out of the way to let the faster vehicle pass. I encounter this a lot, usually leading to me passing on the right more than I wish to. I give the vehicle the opportunity to get over without tailgating too close first, but come close enough to the point they know I'm wishing to move faster. If they don't, then I move right and pass.
Or the ones that are "passing" in the left lane by driving 0.1 mph faster than the flow on the right and holding the left lane for miles on end doing the exact speed limit (or below it) with 5-10+ cars stacked behind. Just speed up a little to get by and move over, or slow down a tad, and slide in. If I'm caught blatantly behind a vehicle like this for a long period of time, I will flash, but I never use my horn unless it's excessive (usually 5-10 mph below the speed limit and not actually pushing forward with the pass - like when the left and right vehicles keep fluctuating speeds together).
I try to avoid situations where I'm in the left lane holding people for long periods of time. I'll either usually back off and slide in or increase my speed to be closer to the left lane flow, get past the slower vehicles, and move over to the right, then reducing to whatever I was comfortably doing before. It's just courteous.
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 29, 2021, 01:30:07 PM
The vehicles that then proceed to sit there after passing and refuse to move over because they're "approaching" another group they're going to pass, when there's plenty of adequate room to move out of the way to let the faster vehicle pass.
My best friend. And then he gets mad when the faster driver blows around him in the right lane.
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 29, 2021, 01:30:07 PM
Or the ones that are "passing" in the left lane by driving 0.1 mph faster than the flow on the right and holding the left lane for miles on end doing the exact speed limit (or below it) with 5-10+ cars stacked behind. Just speed up a little to get by and move over, or slow down a tad, and slide in. If I'm caught blatantly behind a vehicle like this for a long period of time, I will flash, but I never use my horn unless it's excessive (usually 5-10 mph below the speed limit and not actually pushing forward with the pass - like when the left and right vehicles keep fluctuating speeds together).
I try to avoid situations where I'm in the left lane holding people for long periods of time. I'll either usually back off and slide in or increase my speed to be closer to the left lane flow, get past the slower vehicles, and move over to the right, then reducing to whatever I was comfortably doing before. It's just courteous.
Yes, I do that too. If it's just 1 mph of a difference, then I might leave the cruise control on. But, if it's less than that, then I'm for sure speeding up or slowing down–generally speeding up, because I'm not usually in the left lane unless I've already checked for faster traffic coming from behind me.
Quote from: HighwayStar on July 29, 2021, 10:27:56 AM
Quote from: kphoger on July 29, 2021, 10:16:38 AM
Quote from: HighwayStar on July 28, 2021, 06:16:12 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 28, 2021, 06:15:09 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on July 28, 2021, 06:00:16 PM
Luncheon meat aside, I agree that people often drive too slow in the left lane.
New Jersey tried fixing this with a quixotic law that mandates "keep right except to pass", I once had a New Jersey resident try to explain this to me while stopped at a stop light. In open traffic the concept makes sense, but when both lanes are packed full its moronic. :pan:
Then you're reading into it too much, almost as if you're finding an excuse to stay in the left lane.
Do you also find speed limits moronic when there's congestion? What's the point of a speed limit when there's congestion and no one can reach the limit anyway?
I am not the one reading it too much, that was the error of the New Jersey resident suggesting I move over, despite the fact that both lanes were solid for a mile or better with cars.
I'd say it's a pretty easy assumption that, if there's congestion such that the right lane is a solid mile-long line of cars, then it isn't "available for travel"–in which case the law you're referring to does not apply.
Quote from: 2013 New Jersey Revised Statutes
Title 39 - MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC REGULATION
Section 39:4-88 - Traffic on marked lanes
When a roadway has been divided into clearly marked lanes for traffic, drivers of vehicles shall obey the following regulations:
a. A vehicle shall normally be driven in the lane nearest the right-hand edge or curb of the roadway when that lane is available for travel, except when overtaking another vehicle or in preparation for a left turn.
And you would be correct, but again, the residents of the state did not understand how their own law worked. I am not sure if that is the actual statute or not, but in any case NJ is one state where such a law makes little sense.
Why does the law make little sense? The state's roads aren't congested 24/7. This news story from 2018 details over 50,000 tickets were handed out during the year:
https://www.nj.com/traffic/2018/06/this_frustrating_fast_lane_behavior_gets_a_month_t.htmlAlso, "when the lane is available for travel" means an open lane, not the lane nwxt to one that is congested.
I think a few people here might appreciate this post I just ran across on Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Connecticut/comments/owhynq/this_made_me_smile_this_morning/
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on August 02, 2021, 05:39:00 PM
I think a few people here might appreciate this post I just ran across on Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Connecticut/comments/owhynq/this_made_me_smile_this_morning/
Oh wow that's a little extreme but funny.
The irony is that CT drivers are horrible.
Generally, left-lane hogs are annoying, but when I was in Miami last month I found one that almost caused a wreck. Traffic was going 75-80 in the left lane (of several) on I-575 westbound, when out of the blue, I saw a billion brakes up ahead and I slammed on mine too. Cars started darting out of the lane, and when they were all gone, I found myself sitting behind someone's old grandma in a beat-up Honda Accord. I looked at my speedometer and saw 42. How the old lady even got into the left to begin with, I haven't the foggiest idea, but driving 42mph in the left lane of a suburban freeway seems like the kind of thing cops should write tickets for. Really, at that speed, she shouldn't be on the interstate to begin with.
^ Had the same thing happen on I-35E leaving Dallas a month ago. Traffic moving ~80 mph, all of a sudden, brake slamming, weaving lanes, etc. so for the fun of it, I decided to ride up on the slow poke going around 50 mph in the far left lane of an 8 lane freeway, and held down the horn. The driver proceeded to slow down.
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 03, 2021, 03:52:17 AM
I decided to ride up on the slow poke going around 50 mph in the far left lane of an 8 lane freeway, and held down the horn. The driver proceeded to slow down.
As people tend to do when warned of a dangerous situation by the long honking of a horn.
Quote from: jmacswimmer on July 23, 2021, 09:01:19 AM
Quote from: 1 on July 23, 2021, 08:25:46 AM
Quote from: signalman on July 23, 2021, 08:23:15 AM
Regardless of speed (whether it is a the speed on one's speedometer or in relation to other vehicles) one should not be in the left lane unless passing or to access a left exit.
What about during congestion?
Maybe this is just a Maryland thing, but I often find during congestion that the left lane is where I don't want to be - typically, cars seem to slam the brakes harder and stop for longer while right lane(s) roll along at, say, 10-20 mph.
Yup, its best to not be in the left lane approaching backups. I've found being in the middle/right lane is actually the best, long as there aren't any major ramp merges coming up.
Quote from: ET21 on August 03, 2021, 10:27:26 AM
Quote from: jmacswimmer on July 23, 2021, 09:01:19 AM
Quote from: 1 on July 23, 2021, 08:25:46 AM
Quote from: signalman on July 23, 2021, 08:23:15 AM
Regardless of speed (whether it is a the speed on one's speedometer or in relation to other vehicles) one should not be in the left lane unless passing or to access a left exit.
What about during congestion?
Maybe this is just a Maryland thing, but I often find during congestion that the left lane is where I don't want to be - typically, cars seem to slam the brakes harder and stop for longer while right lane(s) roll along at, say, 10-20 mph.
Yup, its best to not be in the left lane approaching backups. I've found being in the middle/right lane is actually the best, long as there aren't any major ramp merges coming up.
Lane choice is part of any good driver's toolkit. Middle lane is a good lane when there is 3 in many cases. The left of the 2 middle seems better when there are 4. This of course assumes there is not an accident, etc. on one side or the other in which case all bets are off.
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 03, 2021, 03:52:17 AM
^ Had the same thing happen on I-35E leaving Dallas a month ago. Traffic moving ~80 mph, all of a sudden, brake slamming, weaving lanes, etc. so for the fun of it, I decided to ride up on the slow poke going around 50 mph in the far left lane of an 8 lane freeway, and held down the horn. The driver proceeded to slow down.
I think you've been watching too many Crash_It videos...
Quote from: vdeane on August 03, 2021, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 03, 2021, 03:52:17 AM
^ Had the same thing happen on I-35E leaving Dallas a month ago. Traffic moving ~80 mph, all of a sudden, brake slamming, weaving lanes, etc. so for the fun of it, I decided to ride up on the slow poke going around 50 mph in the far left lane of an 8 lane freeway, and held down the horn. The driver proceeded to slow down.
I think you've been watching too many Crash_It videos...
The driver was going 45-50 mph in the left lane of a 70 mph freeway... I rarely hold the horn let alone use it but I made an exception here mainly because unlike the majority of Crash_It instances, this nearly caused multiple accidents.
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 03, 2021, 07:45:49 PM
Quote from: vdeane on August 03, 2021, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 03, 2021, 03:52:17 AM
^ Had the same thing happen on I-35E leaving Dallas a month ago. Traffic moving ~80 mph, all of a sudden, brake slamming, weaving lanes, etc. so for the fun of it, I decided to ride up on the slow poke going around 50 mph in the far left lane of an 8 lane freeway, and held down the horn. The driver proceeded to slow down.
I think you've been watching too many Crash_It videos...
The driver was going 45-50 mph in the left lane of a 70 mph freeway... I rarely hold the horn let alone use it but I made an exception here mainly because unlike the majority of Crash_It instances, this nearly caused multiple accidents.
I had an experience like that on the Ike in Chicago a few months ago. A car was doing 45 in the left lane with nothing in front of the car for at least an eighth of a mile and traffic wasn't backed up or even that heavy either. I look and this lady is yapping on her cell phone I laid down my horn while passing her.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 03, 2021, 08:00:57 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 03, 2021, 07:45:49 PM
Quote from: vdeane on August 03, 2021, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 03, 2021, 03:52:17 AM
^ Had the same thing happen on I-35E leaving Dallas a month ago. Traffic moving ~80 mph, all of a sudden, brake slamming, weaving lanes, etc. so for the fun of it, I decided to ride up on the slow poke going around 50 mph in the far left lane of an 8 lane freeway, and held down the horn. The driver proceeded to slow down.
I think you've been watching too many Crash_It videos...
The driver was going 45-50 mph in the left lane of a 70 mph freeway... I rarely hold the horn let alone use it but I made an exception here mainly because unlike the majority of Crash_It instances, this nearly caused multiple accidents.
I had an experience like that on the Ike in Chicago a few months ago. A car was doing 45 in the left lane with nothing in front of the car for at least an eighth of a mile and traffic wasn't backed up or even that heavy either. I look and this lady is yapping on her cell phone I laid down my horn while passing her.
That calls for the horn and the finger! :-D
She was yapping on her phone. Probably wouldn't have even looked at your finger.
Quote from: kphoger on August 04, 2021, 01:27:54 PM
She was yapping on her phone. Probably wouldn't have even looked at your finger.
I'd make sure she saw it one way or another.
Quote from: HighwayStar on August 04, 2021, 01:53:35 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 04, 2021, 01:27:54 PM
She was yapping on her phone. Probably wouldn't have even looked at your finger.
I'd make sure she saw it one way or another.
How? Chase her down?
Quote from: Rothman on August 04, 2021, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on August 04, 2021, 01:53:35 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 04, 2021, 01:27:54 PM
She was yapping on her phone. Probably wouldn't have even looked at your finger.
I'd make sure she saw it one way or another.
How? Chase her down?
Eh, pull up next to her and lay on the horn continuously, roll down the window and shout
Quote from: HighwayStar on August 04, 2021, 02:03:52 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 04, 2021, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on August 04, 2021, 01:53:35 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 04, 2021, 01:27:54 PM
She was yapping on her phone. Probably wouldn't have even looked at your finger.
I'd make sure she saw it one way or another.
How? Chase her down?
Eh, pull up next to her and lay on the horn continuously, roll down the window and shout
So...harass her. Classy.
Quote from: Rothman on August 04, 2021, 03:23:59 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on August 04, 2021, 02:03:52 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 04, 2021, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on August 04, 2021, 01:53:35 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 04, 2021, 01:27:54 PM
She was yapping on her phone. Probably wouldn't have even looked at your finger.
I'd make sure she saw it one way or another.
How? Chase her down?
Eh, pull up next to her and lay on the horn continuously, roll down the window and shout
So...harass her. Classy.
He's assuming the hardcore phone user would either notice or care. In my observation, many of them do neither when you honk at them (I have not tried the "roll down the window and shout" method because I assume it would be a waste of time if the phone user's window is closed).
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 04, 2021, 03:33:41 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 04, 2021, 03:23:59 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on August 04, 2021, 02:03:52 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 04, 2021, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on August 04, 2021, 01:53:35 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 04, 2021, 01:27:54 PM
She was yapping on her phone. Probably wouldn't have even looked at your finger.
I'd make sure she saw it one way or another.
How? Chase her down?
Eh, pull up next to her and lay on the horn continuously, roll down the window and shout
So...harass her. Classy.
He's assuming the hardcore phone user would either notice or care. In my observation, many of them do neither when you honk at them (I have not tried the "roll down the window and shout" method because I assume it would be a waste of time if the phone user's window is closed).
Its hard to hear on the phone when someone sounds their horn continuously, its usually enough.
And if all else fails you pull in front of them, and start slowing down, not fast enough to get rear ended, but enough so that they catch notice.
You just need to be creative.
And if you yell the right things out of the window it usually gets their attention. :wave:
Quote from: HighwayStar on August 04, 2021, 03:39:52 PM
Its hard to hear on the phone when someone sounds their horn continuously, its usually enough.
And if all else fails you pull in front of them, and start slowing down, not fast enough to get rear ended, but enough so that they catch notice.
You just need to be creative.
And if you yell the right things out of the window it usually gets their attention.
This is a good working definition of road rage.
I used to do that kind of stuff, until the day the other driver decided to chase me down. I couldn't evade him. Eventually, I had to do a U-turn the wrong way down an on-ramp to escape him. For a second, I think he even considered
still following me.
Take it from me, such behavior does not
help things.
What I'm reading in HighwayStar's comments is, "Respond to the jackass by being a bigger jackass yourself." That's pretty much consistent with the persona he's established for himself via the rest of his posts.
HighwayStar needs to encounter Crash_It on the road...
I have been tempted to honk my horn when I see someone texting while driving. But I figure it might startle them and cause an accident.
Quote from: Ketchup99 on August 03, 2021, 12:04:03 AM
I found one that almost caused a wreck. Traffic was going 75-80 in the left lane (of several) on I-575 westbound, when out of the blue, I saw a billion brakes up ahead and I slammed on mine too. Cars started darting out of the lane, and when they were all gone, I found myself sitting behind someone's old grandma in a beat-up Honda Accord. I looked at my speedometer and saw 42.
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 03, 2021, 03:52:17 AM
Had the same thing happen on I-35E leaving Dallas a month ago. Traffic moving ~80 mph, all of a sudden, brake slamming, weaving lanes, etc.
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 03, 2021, 07:45:49 PM
The driver was going 45-50 mph in the left lane of a 70 mph freeway ... this nearly caused multiple accidents.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 03, 2021, 08:00:57 PM
I had an experience like that on the Ike in Chicago a few months ago. A car was doing 45 in the left lane with nothing in front of the car for at least an eighth of a mile and traffic wasn't backed up or even that heavy either. I look and this lady is yapping on her cell phone
Let's just pause for a moment, and dwell on the fact that |HighwayStar| thinks the solution to having a driver going way too slow in the left lane is to either...
(1) go just as slow in
another lane, or
(2) force the driver to go even
slower.
Quote from: HighwayStar on August 04, 2021, 02:03:52 PM
pull up next to her
Quote from: HighwayStar on August 04, 2021, 03:39:52 PM
pull in front of them, and start slowing down
Quote from: kphoger on August 04, 2021, 01:27:54 PM
She was yapping on her phone. Probably wouldn't have even looked at your finger.
When I was ridin' me Harley, I used to tell people, "Put yer f*ckin' phone down!". They'd do it for the most part. The truly ignorant would yell back or carry on.
On the few occasions where I feel the need to be a big man, I usually just stare at people (to the extent physically possible while driving). Sometimes I'll do a very subtle head-shake and maybe raise my shoulders a bit.
Like car alarms, most people just ignore fingers and yelling, so staring into their soul throws them a bit.
Yep, glaring at the driver seems to have the best success rate for me too. Only if they even look at me, of course.
Quote from: 1 on August 04, 2021, 03:56:28 PM
HighwayStar needs to encounter Crash_It on the road...
I can get like cra_shit on the road but I don't go to the extremes that he does.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 04, 2021, 06:53:20 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 04, 2021, 03:56:28 PM
HighwayStar needs to encounter Crash_It on the road...
I can get like cra_shit on the road but I don't go to the extremes that he does.
At least you don't film it, right?
Quote from: renegade on August 04, 2021, 09:08:07 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 04, 2021, 06:53:20 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 04, 2021, 03:56:28 PM
HighwayStar needs to encounter Crash_It on the road...
I can get like cra_shit on the road but I don't go to the extremes that he does.
At least you don't film it, right?
I swear a lot in traffic but that's a far cry from what is often on display in those videos. My wife absolutely hates it when I get angry about traffic so I've toned down a lot of the things I used to just say to myself.
Quote from: renegade on August 04, 2021, 09:08:07 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 04, 2021, 06:53:20 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 04, 2021, 03:56:28 PM
HighwayStar needs to encounter Crash_It on the road...
I can get like cra_shit on the road but I don't go to the extremes that he does.
At least you don't film it, right?
Nah don't need to do that. A ride down any of Michigan's highways is an adventure lol.
The problem I notice around here is not that drivers don't keep right, but that they move into the left lane when they really don't need too.
People going the speed limit will move over one lane to avoid a merge when there's plenty of space for merging traffic to enter the highway.
Then folks in the center lane will start cascading over to the left lane because the speed of traffic in the center lane is now slower than their liking.
So then you get people in the left lane who don't agree with the speed of the person leading the pack, regardless of whether or not they're passing someone, so they crowd the car in front of them, as if they does anything.
Like, if you stop changing lanes unnecessarily, people won't have to slow down. And if you know how to properly negotiate a merge you can coast right into the speed of the merging traffic.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on August 06, 2021, 09:45:25 AM
The problem I notice around here is not that drivers don't keep right, but that they move into the left lane when they really don't need too.
People going the speed limit will move over one lane to avoid a merge when there's plenty of space for merging traffic to enter the highway.
Then folks in the center lane will start cascading over to the left lane because the speed of traffic in the center lane is now slower than their liking.
So then you get people in the left lane who don't agree with the speed of the person leading the pack, regardless of whether or not they're passing someone, so they crowd the car in front of them, as if they does anything.
Like, if you stop changing lanes unnecessarily, people won't have to slow down. And if you know how to properly negotiate a merge you can coast right into the speed of the merging traffic.
Exactly I agree 100% with what you said and I notice it all the time too. People want to move when they are on the highway and holding up their ability to keep moving at the pace they want to move is frustrating.
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 28, 2021, 12:04:58 AM
This is why you can't have nice things...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLQrmLXWgd4
Ok so I gotta admit I watched this....and I don't know what the point is. This pretty much looks like everyday driving on the interstate these days.
Quote from: 1 on August 04, 2021, 03:56:28 PM
HighwayStar needs to encounter Crash_It on the road...
If you're ever driving in the Waukegan area, watch out for a black 2016 Chevrolet Cruze with a scratched-up rear bumper...
I must've ran into Crash_It yesterday in Mechanicsville, VA.
I was on US-360 west approaching the I-295 interchange, and realized the second to right lane exits onto I-295 North, and I was heading for I-295 South, so I turned on my blinker to get one lane to the left, and the car that was slightly behind me in that lane, sped up into my blind spot, and held down the horn. I eventually punched it, drove onto the shoulder past where the I-295 North ramp split, and forced my way in. As I slowed down to take the I-295 South loop ramp, he flew by and held down the horn again.
Here is the rough location of the incident: https://goo.gl/maps/unm7PepWsqRyKCWA6
It isn't helped by the poor signage in the area, that merely has "Exit Only" over the far right lane.
Quote from: kphoger on August 06, 2021, 10:29:06 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 04, 2021, 03:56:28 PM
HighwayStar needs to encounter Crash_It on the road...
If you're ever driving in the Waukegan area, watch out for a black 2016 Chevrolet Cruze with a scratched-up rear bumper...
I'll be on the look out.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 02, 2021, 05:51:10 PM
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on August 02, 2021, 05:39:00 PM
I think a few people here might appreciate this post I just ran across on Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Connecticut/comments/owhynq/this_made_me_smile_this_morning/
Oh wow that's a little extreme but funny.
it also mentions a flavor of waffle i don't think you'd find at waffle house.
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 07, 2021, 12:42:54 AM
I must've ran into Crash_It yesterday in Mechanicsville, VA.
I was on US-360 west approaching the I-295 interchange, and realized the second to right lane exits onto I-295 North, and I was heading for I-295 South, so I turned on my blinker to get one lane to the left, and the car that was slightly behind me in that lane, sped up into my blind spot, and held down the horn. I eventually punched it, drove onto the shoulder past where the I-295 North ramp split, and forced my way in. As I slowed down to take the I-295 South loop ramp, he flew by and held down the horn again.
Here is the rough location of the incident: https://goo.gl/maps/unm7PepWsqRyKCWA6
It isn't helped by the poor signage in the area, that merely has "Exit Only" over the far right lane.
Slowing down to let the driver pass wasn't an option?
Also, if your side view mirrors are configured properly, there isn't a blind spot.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 07, 2021, 09:34:46 AM
Quote from: kphoger on August 06, 2021, 10:29:06 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 04, 2021, 03:56:28 PM
HighwayStar needs to encounter Crash_It on the road...
If you're ever driving in the Waukegan area, watch out for a black 2016 Chevrolet Cruze with a scratched-up rear bumper...
I'll be on the look out.
Trouble is try finding a Chevy Cruze that doesn't meet that basic beat up definition.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 07, 2021, 10:14:13 AM
Slowing down to let the driver pass wasn't an option?
There was adequate room for me to initially move over when I planned for it. It wasn't until the driver sped up there wasn't. As for after... I could've also. It was one of two options. Speeding up was simply the option I chose.
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Also, if your side view mirrors are configured properly, there isn't a blind spot.
It's not that I couldn't see him, I was mainly referring to his position next to my vehicle in the other lane after he decided to "block".
The way my mirrors are, there's virtually zero blind spot as far as actually removed visibility. When your side mirrors are set properly, you should barely be able / not be able to see the side of your car.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 07, 2021, 10:50:33 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 07, 2021, 09:34:46 AM
Quote from: kphoger on August 06, 2021, 10:29:06 PM
Quote from: 1 on August 04, 2021, 03:56:28 PM
HighwayStar needs to encounter Crash_It on the road...
If you're ever driving in the Waukegan area, watch out for a black 2016 Chevrolet Cruze with a scratched-up rear bumper...
I'll be on the look out.
Trouble is try finding a Chevy Cruze that doesn't meet that basic beat up definition.
He's been rear-ended, and I'm assuming he didn't get the scratches repaired. Who knows? Maybe it's been painted.
He's also received at least two written warnings and one ticket within the last three years or so. With that many interactions with the police, one might begin to reconsider how safe of a driver one is...
It doesn't matter if you are going 70 or 100 mph if some guy want to go 120 mph coming up behind you, you have to keep right. And if the road is completely empty even if you are going 250 mph, stay in the middle lane.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 01:58:29 PM
It doesn't matter if you are going 70 or 100 mph if some guy want to go 120 mph coming up behind you, you have to keep right. And if the road is completely empty even if you are going 250 mph, stay in the middle right lane.
FTFY.
If the road is completely empty, why avoid the right lane?
Quote from: kphoger on August 13, 2021, 02:52:31 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 01:58:29 PM
It doesn't matter if you are going 70 or 100 mph if some guy want to go 120 mph coming up behind you, you have to keep right. And if the road is completely empty even if you are going 250 mph, stay in the middle right lane.
FTFY.
If the road is completely empty, why avoid the right lane?
The right lane has too many entrances and exits, plus you want clearance on both sides if anything were to happen. The 2nd most right lane on a 4+ lane highway is good enough for average travel speed of 100-120 mph.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 04:12:06 PM
The right lane has too many entrances and exits
Exits don't matter, because your road is completely empty. Entrances only matter if someone is actually entering–same as if there were only two lanes in each direction. Staying out of the right lane
just in case someone somewhere might enter the highway is just lazy driving.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 04:12:06 PM
plus you want clearance on both sides if anything were to happen.
Happen? Like what?
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 04:12:06 PM
The 2nd most right lane on a 4+ lane highway is good enough for average travel speed of 100-120 mph.
So is the rightmost lane.
Quote from: kphoger on August 13, 2021, 04:21:46 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 04:12:06 PM
plus you want clearance on both sides if anything were to happen.
Happen? Like what?
Not to mention that the right lane still has clearance on both sides - ever heard of a road feature called the shoulder?
I once witnessed the right front wheel (yes, the entire wheel) come off of the vehicle in front of me on an Interstate. It went bouncing off to the right, across the verge, and over a fence into a field. She somehow managed to parallel park on the shoulder, grinding a small stripe into the asphalt, and we pulled over behind her and hunted down the wheel.
Quote from: kphoger on August 13, 2021, 04:21:46 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 04:12:06 PM
The right lane has too many entrances and exits
Exits don't matter, because your road is completely empty. Entrances only matter if someone is actually entering–same as if there were only two lanes in each direction. Staying out of the right lane just in case someone somewhere might enter the highway is just lazy driving.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 04:12:06 PM
plus you want clearance on both sides if anything were to happen.
Happen? Like what?
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 04:12:06 PM
The 2nd most right lane on a 4+ lane highway is good enough for average travel speed of 100-120 mph.
So is the rightmost lane.
Double the clearance if you have two lanes on each side. I don't feel like swerving out of the way for some yutz who decides to merge at 55 mph. You only need 1-2 passing lanes. Usually I am already in the 70s on the ramp before attempting to merge into the lane
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 04:32:00 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 13, 2021, 04:21:46 PM
Staying out of the right lane just in case someone somewhere might enter the highway is just lazy driving.
I don't feel like swerving out of the way for some yutz who decides to merge at 55 mph.
As I said.
That's not lazy lol that's common sense. And if the road is so empty what does it matter what lane I am in..WHO am I blocking?? As long as it's not the left half of the road what's the big deal?
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 05:06:02 PM
And if the road is so empty what does it matter what lane I am in..WHO am I blocking?? As long as it's not the left half of the road what's the big deal?
I operate under the assumption that, at some point, there will be a vehicle that I hadn't noticed. Maybe I go too long between checking rear view mirror checks, or maybe someone is coming up really fast, or maybe someone just recently got on the highway and I hadn't seen him yet–whatever. And,
when that happens (not if), I intend to be in the right lane, so he can pass on my left.
It's the same reason I use my turn signal even when I don't think there's anyone around to care. Because, every once in a while, there's someone in my blind spot and it prevents an accident.
Assuming free flow of traffic, my strategy is to stay in the right lane, then step one lane to the left if I see a car approaching on an on-ramp, then step right after I clear the acceleration lane. If traffic is heavy enough I'm unlikely to be able to do so (or I'm on some abomination like I-240 west of I-35), then I might cruise in the second-from-right lane just to ensure I won't be in the way when people merge.
I get in the lane that has the largest gap in front of me. Like around me there are roads where you have the left lane backed up with no traffic in the right lane I'm taking the right lane.
Quote from: kphoger on August 13, 2021, 05:08:28 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 05:06:02 PM
And if the road is so empty what does it matter what lane I am in..WHO am I blocking?? As long as it's not the left half of the road what's the big deal?
I operate under the assumption that, at some point, there will be a vehicle that I hadn't noticed. Maybe I go too long between checking rear view mirror checks, or maybe someone is coming up really fast, or maybe someone just recently got on the highway and I hadn't seen him yet–whatever. And, when that happens (not if), I intend to be in the right lane, so he can pass on my left.
It's the same reason I use my turn signal even when I don't think there's anyone around to care. Because, every once in a while, there's someone in my blind spot and it prevents an accident.
Well with that logic, someone may eventually come into the right lane from an entrance even if the road is empty. On my ideal hypothetical road, there would be 5 lanes on each side, the left lane would be reserved for passing, the right lane would be reserved for entering and exiting only. Once on the highway, you have to move to one of the center 3 lanes. The rule would be "keep centered" the 3 middle lanes for travel, and the right and left for passing/entering/exiting.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 06:28:25 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 13, 2021, 05:08:28 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 13, 2021, 05:06:02 PM
And if the road is so empty what does it matter what lane I am in..WHO am I blocking?? As long as it's not the left half of the road what's the big deal?
I operate under the assumption that, at some point, there will be a vehicle that I hadn't noticed. Maybe I go too long between checking rear view mirror checks, or maybe someone is coming up really fast, or maybe someone just recently got on the highway and I hadn't seen him yet–whatever. And, when that happens (not if), I intend to be in the right lane, so he can pass on my left.
It's the same reason I use my turn signal even when I don't think there's anyone around to care. Because, every once in a while, there's someone in my blind spot and it prevents an accident.
Well with that logic, someone may eventually come into the right lane from an entrance even if the road is empty. On my ideal hypothetical road, there would be 5 lanes on each side, the left lane would be reserved for passing, the right lane would be reserved for entering and exiting only. Once on the highway, you have to move to one of the center 3 lanes. The rule would be "keep centered" the 3 middle lanes for travel, and the right and left for passing/entering/exiting.
Let's say there's 3 miles between interchanges. What's the point of the right lane for about 2 of those miles then?
"Preview"
I always find it funny when accidental nesting like that occurs. Do people not find it odd that, after posting their reply, the post is simply a giant quote? Surely that isn't normally right.
Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2021, 12:30:19 AM
I always find it funny when accidental nesting like that occurs. Do people not find it odd that, after poI always figured people just thought they could put their reply wherever they felt like.sting their reply, the post is simply a giant quote? Surely that isn't normally right.
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 13, 2021, 11:14:12 PM
"Preview"
Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2021, 12:30:19 AM
I always find it funny when accidental nesting like that occurs. Do people not find it odd that, after posting their reply, the post is simply a giant quote? Surely that isn't normally right.
This was the result of the recent issue where the cursor appears in the middle of the quoted area, and not at the bottom.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 14, 2021, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 13, 2021, 11:14:12 PM
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Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2021, 12:30:19 AM
I always find it funny when accidental nesting like that occurs. Do people not find it odd that, after posting their reply, the post is simply a giant quote? Surely that isn't normally right.
This was the result of the recent issue where the cursor appears in the middle of the quoted area, and not at the bottom.
I haven't noticed any changes in the software, nor have I noticed an increase in the number of malformed quotes (they've happened since the beginning).
Quote from: 1 on August 14, 2021, 09:38:42 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 14, 2021, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on August 13, 2021, 11:14:12 PM
"Preview"
Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2021, 12:30:19 AM
I always find it funny when accidental nesting like that occurs. Do people not find it odd that, after posting their reply, the post is simply a giant quote? Surely that isn't normally right.
This was the result of the recent issue where the cursor appears in the middle of the quoted area, and not at the bottom.
I haven't noticed any changes in the software, nor have I noticed an increase in the number of malformed quotes (they've happened since the beginning).
When it comes to IT, there are so many different platforms and versions that it's likely an issue only occurs to a small subset of users. The key for programmers is not to ignore it, because that small issue can grow into a larger problem. Pinpointing the problem can take quite a while though, and it may not even be something he administration here can resolve.
And yes, in a perfect world, everyone always checks their work before posting. Obviously we all know that doesn't happen. For what it's worth, a private message would alert someone to the issue issue much quicker, since we all also don't use the forum the same way, with the same settings.
I rarely use preview, but I'm also enough of a perfectionist that I couldn't even consider starting to type a post without first making sure I'm typing in the right place.
How about the second lane from left on an 8 lane freeway? From my experience, people seem to just treat that lane as another left lane. I went 61 in a 55 in that lane coming home from a trip once, and I was getting honked at and flashed at by drivers approaching from behind (yes, I moved over). IMO the only lane that should be used for passing only is the far left lane. For the other leftward lanes, you should be moving faster, but you shouldn't have to move over for faster vehicles so long as your speed is reasonable.
Disagree. Unless traffic conditions warrant or you are passing other traffic, you should remain in the right lane, and then move to the second to right lane if needed, and only to the second to left lane if needed again to double pass.
If you're going close to the speed limit, right lanes are definitely your friend on a highway that may be flowing 10-20 mph faster than the posted. You're border line impeding by going that slow relative to other traffic in the left.
When I'm towards the left of a wide highway in that situation, I'm usually seeing myself going that faster speed, with the flow, 10-20 mph over (usually an artificially low limit such as 55 mph to begin with), otherwise when I feel like driving slower, more relaxed, I stick right in order to not impede. It's just common courtesy.
It is "Keep Right Except to Pass" after all.
Quote from: tolbs17 on July 22, 2021, 05:33:42 PM
On US 264 I've seen some people drive only 70 mph in the left lane! If you are driving slow, you're supposed to be in the right lane! It's obvious. People don't know how to drive.
Easy solution - more and more-rigorous driver education and driver testing (driver tests should include several miles on a freeway-class road).
Persons that nestor (see below) in the left lane of a freeway should fail the test.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nestor
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I always find it funny when accidental nesting like that occurs. Do people not find it odd that, after posting their reply, the post is simply a giant quote? Surely that isn't normally right.
This was the result of the recent issue where the cursor appears in the middle of the quoted area, and not at the bottom.
I haven't noticed any changes in the software, nor have I noticed an increase in the number of malformed quotes (they've happened since the beginning).
When it comes to IT, there are so many different platforms and versions that it's likely an issue only occurs to a small subset of users. The key for programmers is not to ignore it, because that small issue can grow into a larger problem. Pinpointing the problem can take quite a while though, and it may not even be something he administration here can resolve.
And yes, in a perfect world, everyone always checks their work before posting. Obviously we all know that doesn't happen. For what it's worth, a private message would alert someone to the issue issue much quicker, since we all also don't use the forum the same way, with the same settings.
Problem is that none of the administration are good enough at PHP to patch the software ourselves. We use out-of-the-box software. So it's kind of everyone's responsibility to work around any bugs that exist, until such time that the SMF programmers fix the bugs and we can install the update they release.
Easiest way to get around the issue–which I have never experienced on Firefox, for what it's worth–is to hit Ctrl+End before typing. If you're using a device that doesn't have a Ctrl or End key, stop doing that.
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 14, 2021, 04:21:50 PM
How about the second lane from left on an 8 lane freeway? From my experience, people seem to just treat that lane as another left lane. I went 61 in a 55 in that lane coming home from a trip once, and I was getting honked at and flashed at by drivers approaching from behind (yes, I moved over). IMO the only lane that should be used for passing only is the far left lane. For the other leftward lanes, you should be moving faster, but you shouldn't have to move over for faster vehicles so long as your speed is reasonable.
If you had room to move over to the right, then you were in the wrong lane.
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Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2021, 12:30:19 AM
I always find it funny when accidental nesting like that occurs. Do people not find it odd that, after posting their reply, the post is simply a giant quote? Surely that isn't normally right.
This was the result of the recent issue where the cursor appears in the middle of the quoted area, and not at the bottom.
I haven't noticed any changes in the software, nor have I noticed an increase in the number of malformed quotes (they've happened since the beginning).
When it comes to IT, there are so many different platforms and versions that it's likely an issue only occurs to a small subset of users. The key for programmers is not to ignore it, because that small issue can grow into a larger problem. Pinpointing the problem can take quite a while though, and it may not even be something he administration here can resolve.
And yes, in a perfect world, everyone always checks their work before posting. Obviously we all know that doesn't happen. For what it's worth, a private message would alert someone to the issue issue much quicker, since we all also don't use the forum the same way, with the same settings.
Problem is that none of the administration are good enough at PHP to patch the software ourselves. We use out-of-the-box software. So it's kind of everyone's responsibility to work around any bugs that exist, until such time that the SMF programmers fix the bugs and we can install the update they release.
Easiest way to get around the issue–which I have never experienced on Firefox, for what it's worth–is to hit Ctrl+End before typing. If you're using a device that doesn't have a Ctrl or End key, stop doing that.
Yeah, I don't necessarily blame the admin here, which is why I put that disclaimer into my comment. :-) I think it happens more when I use my Android to comment. At the beginning of the pandemic, it became quickly realized many people don't even own a computer anymore and just rely on their phones for their internetting needs.
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 14, 2021, 04:21:50 PM
How about the second lane from left on an 8 lane freeway? From my experience, people seem to just treat that lane as another left lane. I went 61 in a 55 in that lane coming home from a trip once, and I was getting honked at and flashed at by drivers approaching from behind (yes, I moved over). IMO the only lane that should be used for passing only is the far left lane. For the other leftward lanes, you should be moving faster, but you shouldn't have to move over for faster vehicles so long as your speed is reasonable.
Let me guess - the exact speed you were driving was the only reasonable speed? Everyone else driving slower is an idiot...everyone else driving faster is a maniac?
(GC, paraphrased)
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 16, 2021, 03:41:35 PM
Let me guess - the exact speed you were driving was the only reasonable speed? Everyone else driving slower is an idiot...everyone else driving faster is a maniac? (GC, paraphrased)
Incorrect. I don't give two shits how fast you're going as long as you don't endanger my safety or the safety of others. Just don't expect me to move over EVERY TIME when there's a perfectly open left lane. The simple fact that you are moving faster than me in that situation does not automatically compel me to immediately vacate my lane. I will move over when I recognize I'm going slower than the flow of traffic for my lane, as I did in this experience that I described after getting honked/flashed at a
few times.
Quote from: kphoger on August 16, 2021, 03:29:42 PM
If you had room to move over to the right, then you were in the wrong lane.
Oh lord. I can't stand drivers who have this mentality for every road they travel on. That statement only applies to 4-lane freeways. And again, the simple fact that you are moving faster than me does not automatically compel me to immediately vacate my lane.
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Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 16, 2021, 03:41:35 PM
Let me guess - the exact speed you were driving was the only reasonable speed? Everyone else driving slower is an idiot...everyone else driving faster is a maniac? (GC, paraphrased)
Incorrect. I don't give two shits how fast you're going as long as you don't endanger my safety or the safety of others. Just don't expect me to move over EVERY TIME when there's a perfectly open left lane. The simple fact that you are moving faster than me in that situation does not automatically compel me to immediately vacate my lane. I will move over when I recognize I'm going slower than the flow of traffic for my lane, as I did in this experience that I described after getting honked/flashed at a few times.
Quote from: kphoger on August 16, 2021, 03:29:42 PM
If you had room to move over to the right, then you were in the wrong lane.
Oh lord. I can't stand drivers who have this mentality for every road they travel on. That statement only applies to 4-lane freeways. And again, the simple fact that you are moving faster than me does not automatically compel me to immediately vacate my lane.
If you had a few people flash and honk at you, how many went around you without doing such? You clearly were in the wrong lane. You are trying to force 6 lanes of traffic into one lane to pass you, and your remarks clearly show you believe you are on a power trip.
Also, it depends on state laws if the keep right laws apply to 4 lane freeways, or all roadways with 4 lanes or more.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 17, 2021, 12:36:38 AM
If you had a few people flash and honk at you, how many went around you without doing such? You clearly were in the wrong lane. You are trying to force 6 lanes of traffic into one lane to pass you, and your remarks clearly show you believe you are on a power trip.
Again incorrect. No one even needed to go around me, because I moved over after the third car that honked at me, as I realized I was going slower than the flow and it wasn't just a faster car. Maybe
your remarks are indicative of a power trip, if you really think the freeway is an uninterrupted oasis for those who choose to go faster than others. And a quick heads up: "8-lane freeway" means
eight lanes of traffic, four in each direction. So I have no idea where you're getting "6 lanes" from.
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Also, it depends on state laws if the keep right laws apply to 4 lane freeways, or all roadways with 4 lanes or more.
It's not really even about state law. A 4 lane freeway has one passing lane and one non-passing lane, so it's pretty clear cut which one is correct for a given driver.
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 12:25:13 AM
Just don't expect me to move over EVERY TIME when there's a perfectly open left lane.
If there's a perfectly open lane to your right, and you noticed faster traffic coming behind you, why
not move over?
The general rule and courtesy, regardless of any laws, keep right except to pass. If you're not actively passing anyone, and the lane to your right is open, you're not hurting yourself moving into, you can keep moving at your 61 mph, and the faster traffic has the lefter lanes now available to keep going at their flow. No one is hurt. Everyone is happy.
Instead, you just sit there, causing them to have to slow down abruptly, weave either left or right to keep the pace going, and while it doesn't impact
you, you've now slowed them down and increased a chance of an accident by increasing the amount of weaving, quick lane changes, right passing, etc.
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Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 12:25:13 AM
Just don't expect me to move over EVERY TIME when there's a perfectly open left lane.
If there's a perfectly open lane to your right, and you noticed faster traffic coming behind you, why not move over?
The general rule and courtesy...
Did I not
just explain that I
did, in fact move over after the third car that had to change lanes for me? I'm causing an unsafe situation because three cars had to go around me with a wide open left lane, in an area I'm not familiar with?
^ That post didn't appear until after I sent my initial one.
Your original posting made it seem like you sat there for a long time, as many cars continued to pass. If it was a few car error... well then, we've all had that happen to us at some point. You corrected the error as soon as you realized it was a problem with other traffic.
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Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 12:25:13 AM
Just don't expect me to move over EVERY TIME when there's a perfectly open left lane.
If there's a perfectly open lane to your right, and you noticed faster traffic coming behind you, why not move over?
The general rule and courtesy...
Did I not just explain that I did, in fact move over after the third car that had to change lanes for me? I'm causing an unsafe situation because three cars had to go around me with a wide open left lane, in an area I'm not familiar with?
You moved over after the 3rd car went Crash_It on you. How many others passed you that you didn't notice?
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 12:25:13 AM
And again, the simple fact that you are moving faster than me does not automatically compel me to immediately vacate my lane.
If there's room for you to move right, then it
should compel you to do so. Obviously, there are reasons for not moving right (thick traffic, upcoming highway divergence, etc), but absent those, the mere presence of a faster vehicle approaching from behind is all that should be needed to compel you to immediately vacate your lane. Your basic argument is this:
I shouldn't have to change lanes, because the other driver can change lanes. So basically, you can't be bothered to, but he
should be bothered to.
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 01:14:11 AM
I'm causing an unsafe situation because three cars had to go around me with a wide open left lane, in an area I'm not familiar with?
Of the two options below, which is preferable? Which one seems like it would promote more tailgating?
(1) Three drivers of varying speeds squeeze into the far left lane in order to pass you
(2) Three drivers get two passing lanes between them?
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 12:25:13 AM
Just don't expect me to move over EVERY TIME when there's a perfectly open left lane.
Again, if you were to move over, there would be
two perfectly open left lanes. You're cutting the passing space in half by not moving over, which means fewer cars can pass you at a time, more of them are likely to tailgate, and then–after they're done passing you–any faster ones at the back of the line have to wait even longer before
they can pass the others.
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 12:58:35 AM
if you really think the freeway is an uninterrupted oasis for those who choose to go faster than others.
A freeway isn't an uninterrupted oasis for those who choose to go faster than others. But it also isn't a place where those who choose to go slower than others should just camp out in the middle of the highway and assume those faster drivers will just figure it out around them.
If there is nobody in the lane to the right of you that you are currently passing or about to pass, you should move to the right. How hard is that to understand? Whether or not you're slowing traffic down in your lane doesn't matter.
LOL so much fury about what lane people are driving in...as long as slower cars stay in the right half of the road overall there wouldn't be a problem. Nitpicking about which specific lane on the right you are cruising in isn't that useful :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin: :spin:
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 14, 2021, 04:21:50 PM
How about the second lane from left on an 8 lane freeway? From my experience, people seem to just treat that lane as another left lane. I went 61 in a 55 in that lane coming home from a trip once, and I was getting honked at and flashed at by drivers approaching from behind (yes, I moved over). IMO the only lane that should be used for passing only is the far left lane. For the other leftward lanes, you should be moving faster, but you shouldn't have to move over for faster vehicles so long as your speed is reasonable.
If a dozen faster-moving cars is coming up from behind, then why should all twelve of them have to squeeze into that leftmost lane just because you believe that's the only lane you're not entitled to be in? Wouldn't it make much more sense to give those twelve cars as many passing lanes as possible?
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 01:14:11 AM
Did I not just explain that I did, in fact move over after the third car that had to change lanes for me?
Actually, what you explained is that you didn't move over until drivers were honking and flashing at you, and it apparently irritated you enough that you needed to post about it on here.
I'm beginning to wonder if |Mike2357| and |interstatefan990| have even done any driving outside of an urban area, or if they think their little sliver of the world is just how things are. Closely-spaced exits, multiple lanes in each direction of a freeway: these are things that strike me as distinctly urban.
But why someone
wouldn't keep to the rightmost lane
here (https://goo.gl/maps/XnuVS4izFKiPtdjH9), for example, is totally beyond me. Or
here (https://goo.gl/maps/fF7yYL5AHKFL1g6H7) or
here (https://goo.gl/maps/WismsEzNT3Df8RCCA) or
here (https://goo.gl/maps/2WtWRtyQgW9W1NTz9) or
here (https://goo.gl/maps/KR134Jy1FZycT8kFA). Or even
this eight-lane freeway (https://goo.gl/maps/WJHzaqCNVuB2oAHb8).
Roadways like the NJ Turnpike (and, well, nearly no other roadway than the Turnpike) give this stuff a lot of though. Why build a roadway 6 lanes wide and only 1 left lane, when they can build 2 roadways 3 lanes wide and have 2 left lanes. There's fewer lanes for faster motorists to swerve around when their fellow motorists decide they kinda-sorta want to respect the speed limit, or do respect the limit, yet could care less about the numerous other laws put in place for motorists to obey.
When the NJ Turnpike was designing the most recent expansion south of 8A, they gave it considerable thought about designing it as a single roadway in each direction, or maintaining the dual-dual roadway. This is especially true south of Interchange 7A, where their own analysis determined that 6 lanes wasn't needed. But in the end, they decided to spend the money (and thus, raise the toll rates even higher) to go with the dual-dual roadway, no doubt in part to limit the weaving that could take place on roadways 5 and 6 lanes wide.
Quote from: kphoger on August 17, 2021, 12:51:04 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if |Mike2357| and |interstatefan990| have even done any driving outside of an urban area, or if they think their little sliver of the world is just how things are. Closely-spaced exits, multiple lanes in each direction of a freeway: these are things that strike me as distinctly urban.
But why someone wouldn't keep to the rightmost lane here (https://goo.gl/maps/XnuVS4izFKiPtdjH9), for example, is totally beyond me. Or here (https://goo.gl/maps/fF7yYL5AHKFL1g6H7) or here (https://goo.gl/maps/WismsEzNT3Df8RCCA) or here (https://goo.gl/maps/2WtWRtyQgW9W1NTz9) or here (https://goo.gl/maps/KR134Jy1FZycT8kFA). Or even this eight-lane freeway (https://goo.gl/maps/WJHzaqCNVuB2oAHb8).
Maybe a good discussion for this thread: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29827.0
If by "multiple lanes" you mean three or more, then yes, that is generally associated with urban areas. But the reason one's perception might be shaped by where one lives is that six lane freeways outside of urban areas are a lot more common in some states/regions than others.
The entire state of New York has just a couple of examples: I-87 west of Harriman State Park and north of Albany, arguably part of I-495 on Long Island, and that's about it. So, some of us simply assume that if it's six lanes, it's urban, while others have a lot more experience with rural six lane freeways (where it's generally pretty easy to use the right lane as the travel lane).
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 17, 2021, 01:18:45 PM
Roadways like the NJ Turnpike (and, well, nearly no other roadway than the Turnpike) give this stuff a lot of though. Why build a roadway 6 lanes wide and only 1 left lane, when they can build 2 roadways 3 lanes wide and have 2 left lanes. There's fewer lanes for faster motorists to swerve around when their fellow motorists decide they kinda-sorta want to respect the speed limit, or do respect the limit, yet could care less about the numerous other laws put in place for motorists to obey.
When the NJ Turnpike was designing the most recent expansion south of 8A, they gave it considerable thought about designing it as a single roadway in each direction, or maintaining the dual-dual roadway. This is especially true south of Interchange 7A, where their own analysis determined that 6 lanes wasn't needed. But in the end, they decided to spend the money (and thus, raise the toll rates even higher) to go with the dual-dual roadway, no doubt in part to limit the weaving that could take place on roadways 5 and 6 lanes wide.
Is it just me, or does the spur for ALL vehicles tend to have far less traffic than the car only lanes?
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 17, 2021, 03:40:27 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 17, 2021, 01:18:45 PM
Roadways like the NJ Turnpike (and, well, nearly no other roadway than the Turnpike) give this stuff a lot of though. Why build a roadway 6 lanes wide and only 1 left lane, when they can build 2 roadways 3 lanes wide and have 2 left lanes. There's fewer lanes for faster motorists to swerve around when their fellow motorists decide they kinda-sorta want to respect the speed limit, or do respect the limit, yet could care less about the numerous other laws put in place for motorists to obey.
When the NJ Turnpike was designing the most recent expansion south of 8A, they gave it considerable thought about designing it as a single roadway in each direction, or maintaining the dual-dual roadway. This is especially true south of Interchange 7A, where their own analysis determined that 6 lanes wasn't needed. But in the end, they decided to spend the money (and thus, raise the toll rates even higher) to go with the dual-dual roadway, no doubt in part to limit the weaving that could take place on roadways 5 and 6 lanes wide.
Is it just me, or does the spur for ALL vehicles tend to have far less traffic than the car only lanes?
Spur? Or do you mean the outer roadway (normally known as the truck lanes)? I find that tends to have less traffic, especially on the weekends when car drivers prefer to stay in the car only lanes.
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 12:58:35 AM
And a quick heads up: "8-lane freeway" means eight lanes of traffic, four in each direction.
It might seem at first glance that "two-lane highway" might mean two lanes in each direction, and that it's just as commonsense.
But, then, if that's how someone classifies a road, then how does he classify
something like this (https://goo.gl/maps/r9XciddjTNk8gKdUA)?
I think there's a lot of confusion about what I was initially saying, which is causing people to warp my stated opinions and experiences into something they're not (looking at you here, kphoger), which I'm not at liberty to respond to. I will restate more clearly what I have said:
- I was driving back from a trip, on a 8-lane freeway with moderate traffic just after exiting an urban area. I was in the second lane from left with a wide open left lane going about 61-62 with a 55 mph limit. Three cars approached from behind, all of them either flashing their brights or quickly tapping the horn. No one had to change lanes to pass me besides those three. After the third car, I realized I was moving slower than the flow of traffic and instantly changed lanes to the right. I did not get "angry" at them, and I'm guessing they got just slightly frustrated with me. No big deal.
- For a 6-lane freeway or wider, if you are not in the far left lane and are moving with the flow of traffic for the lane you're in, it's okay for a car to occasionally have to change lanes to pass you, so long as it's not happening too often. I know we all want a perfect world where all slower drivers will get out of your way, but unfortunately that's not the reality. The only lane that is for passing only is the far left lane. If you are moving slower than the flow of traffic for the lane you're in, then you should be moving rightwards to a lane that is more appropriate for your speed.
That's it.
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 04:18:09 PM
- I was driving back from a trip, on a 8-lane freeway with moderate traffic just after exiting an urban area. I was in the second lane from left with a wide open left lane going about 61-62 with a 55 mph limit. Three cars approached from behind, all of them either flashing their brights or quickly tapping the horn. No one had to change lanes to pass me besides those three. After the third car, I realized I was moving slower than the flow of traffic and instantly changed lanes to the right. I did not get "angry" at them, and I'm guessing they got just slightly frustrated with me. No big deal.
That's it. [/li]
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My point is that if you weren't passing cars in the next lane to your right, there was no reason for you to be in that lane. You forced other cars to brake quickly and/or pass you on the right, both of which are not safe.
Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 04:18:09 PM
The only lane that is for passing only is the far left lane.
Depends on where you are. For example, your statement is false in the state of Washington. In that state, if you aren't moving faster than the flow of traffic, it is illegal to camp out in the middle lane.
Quote from: jakeroot on May 06, 2021, 12:48:57 PM
WA requires all drivers to use the right lane on freeways unless passing. Middle lane hogging would not be permitted unless also passing. Far left is for passing those in the middle lane, who ideally are going slightly faster than traffic in the right lane.
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Quote from: RCW 46.61.100
Upon all roadways having two or more lanes for traffic moving in the same direction, all vehicles shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic, except (a) when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, (b) when traveling at a speed greater than the traffic flow, (c) when moving left to allow traffic to merge, or (d) when preparing for a left turn at an intersection, exit, or into a private road or driveway when such left turn is legally permitted.
Sometimes it's not just about whether you are passing or not, but more comfortable having no cars in front of you. It gets tiresome having to change lanes constantly to pass every yutz going near the speed limit. Usually if I am in the left half of the road I am going much faster than the flow of traffic so see no point in swerving in and out just to have to get back in anyway, slows you down.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 17, 2021, 05:24:33 PM
It gets tiresome having to change lanes constantly to pass every yutz going near the speed limit.
Hold on, let me go borrow someone's violin.
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Quote from: interstatefan990 on August 17, 2021, 12:58:35 AM
And a quick heads up: "8-lane freeway" means eight lanes of traffic, four in each direction.
It might seem at first glance that "two-lane highway" might mean two lanes in each direction, and that it's just as commonsense.
I've never thought that "two-lane highway" meant two lanes per direction. A two-lane highway has two lanes total.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 17, 2021, 05:24:33 PM
Sometimes it's not just about whether you are passing or not, but more comfortable having no cars in front of you. It gets tiresome having to change lanes constantly to pass every yutz going near the speed limit. Usually if I am in the left half of the road I am going much faster than the flow of traffic so see no point in swerving in and out just to have to get back in anyway, slows you down.
If you just passed a car and you are already coming up on another one that you'll pass within a minute, yes, stay where you are, but not moving over because you're likely to pass someone again in a few minutes is lazy and unsafe.
More like a few seconds if I am going 20 mph faster than them. It's also safer to have two directions to move if you have to all of a sudden change lanes. Even on a 20 lane road, the 2nd right lane is safer than the far right.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 17, 2021, 08:48:57 PM
It's also safer to have two directions to move if you have to all of a sudden change lanes.
I assume the sudden lane change is being caused by another driver with the same mentality hogging the middle lane...
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 17, 2021, 08:48:57 PM
More like a few seconds if I am going 20 mph faster than them. It's also safer to have two directions to move if you have to all of a sudden change lanes. Even on a 20 lane road, the 2nd right lane is safer than the far right.
If you're in an urban area, maybe, but in a rural area with exits every 5 miles or less, there's really no such thing as a sudden need to change lanes if you're paying attention.
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 17, 2021, 06:49:17 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 17, 2021, 05:24:33 PM
Sometimes it's not just about whether you are passing or not, but more comfortable having no cars in front of you. It gets tiresome having to change lanes constantly to pass every yutz going near the speed limit. Usually if I am in the left half of the road I am going much faster than the flow of traffic so see no point in swerving in and out just to have to get back in anyway, slows you down.
If you just passed a car and you are already coming up on another one that you'll pass within a minute, yes, stay where you are, but not moving over because you're likely to pass someone again in a few minutes is lazy and unsafe.
It really depends on the traffic. Cruising in the left hand lane if there is no one coming up on you, even if you aren't going to pass another car in five minutes, is neither lazy nor unsafe.
I can see a reason for cruising in the left lane on certain highways with two lanes in each direction* where the right lane is in particularly bad shape or takes a heavy pounding due to truck traffic or the like, as long as you promptly move out of the way prior to a faster vehicle catching you from behind. Quebec's Autoroute 15 heading north from the US border was often that sort of a road–I haven't been on it recently to know whether it's been repaved, but on all of my most recent trips that way, the right lane was a washboard. That's a fair reason to use the left lane, traffic permitting of course.
*I would call those "four-lane highways," but it's clear from this thread that certain posters use their own different terminology, so I'm trying to avoid any possible ambiguity.
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Quote from: cabiness42 on August 17, 2021, 06:49:17 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 17, 2021, 05:24:33 PM
Sometimes it's not just about whether you are passing or not, but more comfortable having no cars in front of you. It gets tiresome having to change lanes constantly to pass every yutz going near the speed limit. Usually if I am in the left half of the road I am going much faster than the flow of traffic so see no point in swerving in and out just to have to get back in anyway, slows you down.
If you just passed a car and you are already coming up on another one that you'll pass within a minute, yes, stay where you are, but not moving over because you're likely to pass someone again in a few minutes is lazy and unsafe.
It really depends on the traffic. Cruising in the left hand lane if there is no one coming up on you, even if you aren't going to pass another car in five minutes, is neither lazy nor unsafe.
Sure it is. It takes all the effort of flicking the turn signal arm and turning the steering wheel a fraction to move back into the proper lane.
More often than not, people become complacent and don't even realize someone is coming up on their rear. When they notice them, either the person has already initiated the pass themselves (as in the recent discussion we've had) or the other car is sitting behind the left lane hog, either closely (which means the hog is pissed the driver "came out of nowhere" and is tailgating for no reason) or is hanging a respectable distance back, (which the hog takes to believe he/she still has time to move over and isn't holding anyone up).
In all scenarios, the hog could've/should've been in the right lane to begin with.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 18, 2021, 09:45:45 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2021, 08:53:58 AM
It really depends on the traffic. Cruising in the left hand lane if there is no one coming up on you, even if you aren't going to pass another car in five minutes, is neither lazy nor unsafe.
Sure it is. ...
Yes, but I do think it's worth distinguishing between the two (lazy and unsafe). It is objectively lazy. However, it's not
necessarily unsafe to be camping in the left lane. It's highly dependent on the context, including your speed and how much other traffic is around, if any.
But it doesn't really matter whether it's safe or not, because it's definitely lazy, and that's reason enough not to do it.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 18, 2021, 09:45:45 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2021, 08:53:58 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on August 17, 2021, 06:49:17 PM
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 17, 2021, 05:24:33 PM
Sometimes it's not just about whether you are passing or not, but more comfortable having no cars in front of you. It gets tiresome having to change lanes constantly to pass every yutz going near the speed limit. Usually if I am in the left half of the road I am going much faster than the flow of traffic so see no point in swerving in and out just to have to get back in anyway, slows you down.
If you just passed a car and you are already coming up on another one that you'll pass within a minute, yes, stay where you are, but not moving over because you're likely to pass someone again in a few minutes is lazy and unsafe.
It really depends on the traffic. Cruising in the left hand lane if there is no one coming up on you, even if you aren't going to pass another car in five minutes, is neither lazy nor unsafe.
Sure it is. It takes all the effort of flicking the turn signal arm and turning the steering wheel a fraction to move back into the proper lane.
More often than not, people become complacent and don't even realize someone is coming up on their rear. When they notice them, either the person has already initiated the pass themselves (as in the recent discussion we've had) or the other car is sitting behind the left lane hog, either closely (which means the hog is pissed the driver "came out of nowhere" and is tailgating for no reason) or is hanging a respectable distance back, (which the hog takes to believe he/she still has time to move over and isn't holding anyone up).
In all scenarios, the hog could've/should've been in the right lane to begin with.
It's not lazy because a lane change just isn't necessary. And I pay attention when I drive so it's not unsafe either.
Quote from: Mike2357 on August 17, 2021, 08:48:57 PM
It's also safer to have two directions to move if you have to all of a sudden change lanes. Even on a 20 lane road, the 2nd right lane is safer than the far right.
I disagree. If I have a tire blowout, or if anything goes wrong with the engine, and I have to suddenly pull over on the shoulder, then it's safer to not have to cross a travel lane to get there. And, in my experience, pulling over to the left shoulder is a bad idea: they're generally quite narrower, and passing traffic is faster. I've only had to so once or twice (most recently because I witnessed an accident and pulled over to check on the driver and call 9-1-1), and I don't recommend it.
As for needing space on both sides of you to avoid a collision, I'm really struggling to think of a single instance of my having had to suddenly swerve from the right lane but didn't have the right shoulder available for that purpose. There have been plenty of times I've needed to swerve to the right, but I've always had pavement there waiting for me.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2021, 08:53:58 AM
Cruising in the left hand lane if there is no one coming up on you, even if you aren't going to pass another car in five minutes, is neither lazy nor unsafe.
If no one is coming up on you, then you're a tree falling in a forest. Nobody cares, because nobody is around to care.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 18, 2021, 09:45:45 AM
It takes all the effort of flicking the turn signal arm and turning the steering wheel a fraction to move back into the proper lane.
More often than not, people become complacent and don't even realize someone is coming up on their rear.
This. Much better to assume you'll eventually be negligent in checking your mirrors (because you're human), and just move right just to be sure.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 18, 2021, 09:45:45 AM
When they notice them, either the person has already initiated the pass themselves (as in the recent discussion we've had) or the other car is sitting behind the left lane hog, either closely (which means the hog is pissed the driver "came out of nowhere" and is tailgating for no reason) or is hanging a respectable distance back, (which the hog takes to believe he/she still has time to move over and isn't holding anyone up).
Portion bolded for emphasis. If a faster driver exhibits defensive driving by hanging back a proper following distance, then there's a good chance you don't even
realize you're holding him up. It shouldn't take someone riding your tailgate or going around on the right to make you jump back over to the right lane.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 18, 2021, 09:03:03 AM
I can see a reason for cruising in the left lane on certain highways with two lanes in each direction* where the right lane is in particularly bad shape or takes a heavy pounding due to truck traffic or the like, as long as you promptly move out of the way prior to a faster vehicle catching you from behind.
I encounter exactly that situation a lot in Mexico, where the right lane gets pretty beat up by heavy trucks. Sometimes driving on the shoulder is another option, but sometimes driving in the left lane is reasonable, and even turnpike doubles do so. However, everyone moves back into the right lane whenever a faster vehicle approaches from behind.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on August 18, 2021, 11:10:32 AM
I pay attention when I drive so it's not unsafe either.
I pay attention too. But sometimes, because I'm human, I miss something.