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Title: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: roadman65 on July 27, 2021, 02:01:04 AM
I-5 is one to come to mind that transits three states and all three states have child routes of the said interstate.

I-75 is another as all states from FL to MI is another one that has a designated child in each state.

I-65 used to until I-265 got axed in Nashville so no more offsprings in TN.

I believe it's it for now until I can research more on it.

Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on July 27, 2021, 02:14:28 AM
I-35 does have at least one in each state.

TX- 635
OK- 235
KS- 135, 235, 335
KS/MO- 435, 635
IA- 235
MN/WI- 535

Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: Evan_Th on July 27, 2021, 02:31:31 AM
I-30 (TX, AR)
I-87 (NY, NC)
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: sprjus4 on July 27, 2021, 02:39:22 AM
I-45  :bigass:

May not be around for much longer though, if urbanists and RE/T groups get their way.

Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on July 27, 2021, 02:39:34 AM
I-16 (516) and I-96 (196, 296, 496, 696) qualify, I guess. :P
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: jp the roadgeek on July 27, 2021, 02:43:22 AM
I-71 (thanks to I-471 being multi-state)

Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 27, 2021, 06:30:34 AM
I-95 has child routes in most of the states it crosses:

Florida
not Georgia
not South Carolina
North Carolina
Virginia
DC
Maryland
Delaware
Pennsylvania
New Jersey
New York
Connecticut
Rhode Island
Massachusetts
not New Hampshire
Maine
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: SkyPesos on July 27, 2021, 09:13:34 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 27, 2021, 02:01:04 AM
I-75 is another as all states from FL to MI is another one that has a designated child in each state.
I-75 have children in more states than itself goes through due to Cincinnati's I-275 going into Indiana.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: JayhawkCO on July 27, 2021, 10:27:36 AM
Pretty sure we've exhausted the list (not counting any intrastate).

I-5
I-35
I-71
I-75

Close misses:
I-15 - Missing ID
I-20 - Missing AL
I-65 - Missing TN

Chris
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Are there any 3di that have children of their own?  Do any of those enter multiple states?  Do any of those have children in both states?
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: Evan_Th on July 27, 2021, 12:43:12 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Are there any 3di that have children of their own?  Do any of those enter multiple states?  Do any of those have children in both states?

3di's don't technically have children; they babysit siblings. :D

There're a lot of sibling routes branching off the 3di's that don't connect back to their parent.  I-278 (NY) crosses to NJ, but none of that complex connects back to I-78. 
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: SkyPesos on July 27, 2021, 12:48:28 PM
I-80:
CA: 280, 380, 580, 680, 780, 880, 980
NV: 580
UT: None
WY: 180  :bigass:
NE: 480, 680
IA: 280, 380, 480, 680, 880
IL: 180, 280
IN: None
OH: 280, 480, 680
PA: 180, 380
NJ: 280

For a transcon interstate, pretty impressive that I-80 lacks 3di in only 2 states it goes through.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:52:18 PM
Quote from: Evan_Th on July 27, 2021, 12:43:12 PM

Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Are there any 3di that have children of their own?  Do any of those enter multiple states?  Do any of those have children in both states?

3di's don't technically have children; they babysit siblings. :D

There're a lot of sibling routes branching off the 3di's that don't connect back to their parent.  I-278 (NY) crosses to NJ, but none of that complex connects back to I-78. 

OK, so it looks like I-278's children/siblings are both in New York, none in New Jersey.

Any others to take a look at?
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: JayhawkCO on July 27, 2021, 01:31:37 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 27, 2021, 12:48:28 PM
I-80:
CA: 280, 380, 580, 680, 780, 880, 980
NV: 580
UT: None
WY: 180  :bigass:
NE: 480, 680
IA: 280, 380, 480, 680, 880
IL: 180, 280
IN: None
OH: 280, 480, 680
PA: 180, 380
NJ: 280

For a transcon interstate, pretty impressive that I-80 lacks 3di in only 2 states it goes through.

And then I-40, starting from the east coast does really well, not missing any states, and then it all comes to a screeching halt once it hits the Texas border.

Chris
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: dlsterner on July 27, 2021, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Are there any 3di that have children of their own?  Do any of those enter multiple states?  Do any of those have children in both states?
Another example could be I-795 in Maryland, which does not connect to I-95, only to I-695.  It's contained within Maryland however.

If some posters had their way and renumbered I-97 to I-995, that would be another example.

I don't think they're technically children of each other, as another poster said, "one sibling baby-sitting another".

(Now if you were to introduce 4di and have them be children of 3di???  whispering so FritzOwl doesn't hear me and get any ideas)
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 27, 2021, 02:17:44 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Are there any 3di that have children of their own?  Do any of those enter multiple states?  Do any of those have children in both states?

I-195 is off I-295 in NJ.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 02:21:06 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 27, 2021, 02:17:44 PM

Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Are there any 3di that have children of their own?  Do any of those enter multiple states?  Do any of those have children in both states?

I-195 is off I-295 in NJ.

But I-495 is a true child of I-95.  Thus, I can't consider it a child of I-295.  That leaves I-295 with only one child, and thus it is disqualified, by virtue of my third question.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on July 27, 2021, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Are there any 3di that have children of their own?  Do any of those enter multiple states?  Do any of those have children in both states?

I'm a little surprised you missed the one right in your backyard (I-235 off I-135 in Wichita)
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 27, 2021, 02:58:35 PM
I-87 has a child interstate in all of its states plus more. Same with I-35.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 03:02:51 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on July 27, 2021, 02:54:38 PM

Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Are there any 3di that have children of their own?  Do any of those enter multiple states?  Do any of those have children in both states?

I'm a little surprised you missed the one right in your backyard (I-235 off I-135 in Wichita)

But I-235 doesn't enter multiple states.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on July 27, 2021, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on July 27, 2021, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Are there any 3di that have children of their own?  Do any of those enter multiple states?  Do any of those have children in both states?
Another example could be I-795 in Maryland, which does not connect to I-95, only to I-695.  It's contained within Maryland however.

If some posters had their way and renumbered I-97 to I-995, that would be another example.

I don't think they're technically children of each other, as another poster said, "one sibling baby-sitting another".

(Now if you were to introduce 4di and have them be children of 3di???  whispering so FritzOwl doesn't hear me and get any ideas)

I-2795?
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on July 27, 2021, 03:36:44 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 10:27:36 AM
Pretty sure we've exhausted the list (not counting any intrastate).

I-5
I-30
I-35
I-71
I-75

Close misses:
I-15 - Missing ID
I-20 - Missing AL
I-65 - Missing TN

Chris

I am lost on I-30.  Texas doesn't have an I-X30 on account of Texas being allergic to 3dis.  Not New Mexico or Arizona level allergic...more like they have to take an epipen when they see a 3di, instead of going straight to the hospital. 
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: JayhawkCO on July 27, 2021, 03:40:13 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 27, 2021, 03:36:44 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 10:27:36 AM
Pretty sure we've exhausted the list (not counting any intrastate).

I-5
I-30
I-35
I-71
I-75

Close misses:
I-15 - Missing ID
I-20 - Missing AL
I-65 - Missing TN

Chris

I am lost on I-30.  Texas doesn't have an I-X30 on account of Texas being allergic to 3dis.  Not New Mexico or Arizona level allergic...more like they have to take an epipen when they see a 3di, instead of going straight to the hospital.

You're right.  I had just skimmed the first posts in the thread and someone had said I-30 was accurate.  I edited my post.

Chris
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: Evan_Th on July 27, 2021, 03:58:16 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 03:40:13 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 27, 2021, 03:36:44 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 10:27:36 AM
Pretty sure we've exhausted the list (not counting any intrastate).

I-5
I-30
I-35
I-71
I-75

Close misses:
I-15 - Missing ID
I-20 - Missing AL
I-65 - Missing TN

Chris

I am lost on I-30.  Texas doesn't have an I-X30 on account of Texas being allergic to 3dis.  Not New Mexico or Arizona level allergic...more like they have to take an epipen when they see a 3di, instead of going straight to the hospital.

You're right.  I had just skimmed the first posts in the thread and someone had said I-30 was accurate.  I edited my post.

Chris

That was my mistake; oops.  I think I was misremembering the Texarkana Loop, which isn't currently an x30 in either state.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 27, 2021, 04:12:02 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 27, 2021, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on July 27, 2021, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Are there any 3di that have children of their own?  Do any of those enter multiple states?  Do any of those have children in both states?
Another example could be I-795 in Maryland, which does not connect to I-95, only to I-695.  It's contained within Maryland however.

If some posters had their way and renumbered I-97 to I-995, that would be another example.

I don't think they're technically children of each other, as another poster said, "one sibling baby-sitting another".

(Now if you were to introduce 4di and have them be children of 3di???  whispering so FritzOwl doesn't hear me and get any ideas)

I-2795?
What would that be a child of?
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on July 27, 2021, 04:13:49 PM
Quote from: Evan_Th on July 27, 2021, 03:58:16 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 03:40:13 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 27, 2021, 03:36:44 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 10:27:36 AM
Pretty sure we've exhausted the list (not counting any intrastate).

I-5
I-30
I-35
I-71
I-75

Close misses:
I-15 - Missing ID
I-20 - Missing AL
I-65 - Missing TN

Chris

I am lost on I-30.  Texas doesn't have an I-X30 on account of Texas being allergic to 3dis.  Not New Mexico or Arizona level allergic...more like they have to take an epipen when they see a 3di, instead of going straight to the hospital.

You're right.  I had just skimmed the first posts in the thread and someone had said I-30 was accurate.  I edited my post.

Chris

That was my mistake; oops.  I think I was misremembering the Texarkana Loop, which isn't currently an x30 in either state.

It may have come from the eastern quadrant of the Texarkana loop being approved as I-130, but only on the Arkansas side.  Texas did not comply (buttholes).  Now that section of highway is not I-49 so it did technically become I-130 but was never signed. 
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: Evan_Th on July 27, 2021, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 27, 2021, 04:12:02 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 27, 2021, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on July 27, 2021, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Are there any 3di that have children of their own?  Do any of those enter multiple states?  Do any of those have children in both states?
Another example could be I-795 in Maryland, which does not connect to I-95, only to I-695.  It's contained within Maryland however.

If some posters had their way and renumbered I-97 to I-995, that would be another example.

I don't think they're technically children of each other, as another poster said, "one sibling baby-sitting another".

(Now if you were to introduce 4di and have them be children of 3di???  whispering so FritzOwl doesn't hear me and get any ideas)

I-2795?
What would that be a child of?

I-2795 would be a child of I-795.  If it has its own child, it might be I-12795.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 27, 2021, 04:54:42 PM
Quote from: Evan_Th on July 27, 2021, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 27, 2021, 04:12:02 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 27, 2021, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on July 27, 2021, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Are there any 3di that have children of their own?  Do any of those enter multiple states?  Do any of those have children in both states?
Another example could be I-795 in Maryland, which does not connect to I-95, only to I-695.  It's contained within Maryland however.

If some posters had their way and renumbered I-97 to I-995, that would be another example.

I don't think they're technically children of each other, as another poster said, "one sibling baby-sitting another".

(Now if you were to introduce 4di and have them be children of 3di???  whispering so FritzOwl doesn't hear me and get any ideas)

I-2795?
What would that be a child of?

I-2795 would be a child of I-795.  If it has its own child, it might be I-12795.
MD 940 interstate incoming
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: SkyPesos on July 27, 2021, 07:45:18 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 01:31:37 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 27, 2021, 12:48:28 PM
I-80:
CA: 280, 380, 580, 680, 780, 880, 980
NV: 580
UT: None
WY: 180  :bigass:
NE: 480, 680
IA: 280, 380, 480, 680, 880
IL: 180, 280
IN: None
OH: 280, 480, 680
PA: 180, 380
NJ: 280

For a transcon interstate, pretty impressive that I-80 lacks 3di in only 2 states it goes through.

And then I-40, starting from the east coast does really well, not missing any states, and then it all comes to a screeching halt once it hits the Texas border.

Chris
Same with I-76. Starts out in the east with 676 pretty much right away, then is on a roll in PA with every first digit from 1-6 used, then comes to a screeching halt in OH, NE and CO.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: US 89 on July 27, 2021, 08:17:05 PM
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 27, 2021, 10:27:36 AM
Close misses:
I-15 - Missing ID

Arizona too.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: SkyPesos on July 27, 2021, 09:06:27 PM
I'll expand jayhawkco's list here...

3di in more states than parent goes through:
- I-35 (7/6, including WI)
- I-38 (1/0, including CA)  :bigass:
- I-75 (7/6, including IN)
- I-87 (3/2, including NJ)

3di in same number of states parent goes through, but no 3di in one of the states parent goes through:
- I-29 (4/4, including IA, missing ND)

3di in all and same number of states parent goes through:
- I-5 (3/3)
- I-45 (1/1)
- I-71 (2/2)
- I-96 (1/1)

3di in at least 70% of states parent goes through:
- I-20 (5/6, 83%, missing AL)
- I-65 (3/4, 75%, missing TN)
- I-69 (5/6, 83%, missing MI)
- I-70 (7/10, 70%, missing UT, IN and PA)
- I-80 (9/11, 82%, missing UT and IN)
- I-94 (5/7, 71%, missing MT and IN)
- I-95 (13/16, 81%, missing GA, SC and NH)

2di with same or more 3dis as numbered of states passed through, and didn't make the above lists:
- I-10 (13/8)
- I-15 (6/6)
- I-64 (6/6)
- I-76 (5/5)
- I-79 (2/2)
- I-85 (9/5)
- I-90 (15/13)
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 27, 2021, 09:53:42 PM
On the flip side, what interstate has the lowest percentage of states (with the exception of the 0% states)?
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on July 27, 2021, 10:58:15 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 27, 2021, 09:53:42 PM
On the flip side, what interstate has the lowest percentage of states (with the exception of the 0% states)?

My first guess is I-25 (just one child in three states and 1,065 miles)
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: froggie on July 27, 2021, 11:13:02 PM
^ I-59 hits 4 states but has child routes in just one of them...granted, it has 3 child routes in that one state.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on July 28, 2021, 07:59:00 AM
Quote from: froggie on July 27, 2021, 11:13:02 PM
^ I-59 hits 4 states but has child routes in just one of them...granted, it has 3 child routes in that one state.

And all children happen during the I-59/I-20 concurrency.  You could argue that those children are step children (being just as easily numberd I-X20).
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: JayhawkCO on July 28, 2021, 08:47:57 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 27, 2021, 09:06:27 PM
3di in all and same number of states parent goes through:
- I-5 (3/3)
- I-45 (1/1)
- I-71 (2/2)
- I-96 (1/1)

You forgot I-H1.

Chris
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: JayhawkCO on July 28, 2021, 08:52:56 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 27, 2021, 09:53:42 PM
On the flip side, what interstate has the lowest percentage of states (with the exception of the 0% states)?

I-24 is in four states and only has a 3di in one of them and it's unsigned.

I-74 is in five states and only has a 3di in one.

Chris
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 28, 2021, 09:04:10 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 28, 2021, 08:52:56 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 27, 2021, 09:53:42 PM
On the flip side, what interstate has the lowest percentage of states (with the exception of the 0% states)?

I-24 is in four states and only has a 2di in one of them and it's unsigned.

I-74 is in five states and only has a 2di in one.

Chris


Assuming you mean 3di.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: SkyPesos on July 28, 2021, 09:09:52 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 28, 2021, 08:52:56 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 27, 2021, 09:53:42 PM
On the flip side, what interstate has the lowest percentage of states (with the exception of the 0% states)?

I-24 is in four states and only has a 2di in one of them and it's unsigned.

I-74 is in five states and only has a 2di in one.

Chris
Granted I-74 barely enters IA and OH, I-24 barely enters GA, and I-59 (mentioned above) barely enters LA and GA.

Though this doesn't seem like a problem for some other interstates. Like I-64 have a "state route 3di"  in a state it goes through for only 40 miles. And of course, I-78 in NY.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on July 28, 2021, 09:34:38 AM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Are there any 3di that have children of their own?  Do any of those enter multiple states?  Do any of those have children in both states?

just a shot in the dark... the *80's in the bay area? seems like some of them might just connect to each other...
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: cpzilliacus on July 28, 2021, 09:40:12 AM
Quote from: dlsterner on July 27, 2021, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Are there any 3di that have children of their own?  Do any of those enter multiple states?  Do any of those have children in both states?
Another example could be I-795 in Maryland, which does not connect to I-95, only to I-695.  It's contained within Maryland however.

Another Maryland example is I-370, a spur of of I-270 and rather far from the I-70 parent.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: SkyPesos on July 28, 2021, 09:47:02 AM
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on July 28, 2021, 09:34:38 AM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Are there any 3di that have children of their own?  Do any of those enter multiple states?  Do any of those have children in both states?

just a shot in the dark... the *80's in the bay area? seems like some of them might just connect to each other...
Yes. 280 and 980 doesn't directly connect to I-80. Though 280 gets pretty close by in SF, and you could theoretically extend 80 south 2.3 miles on US 101 to end at and meet 280.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: JayhawkCO on July 28, 2021, 09:58:44 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 28, 2021, 09:04:10 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 28, 2021, 08:52:56 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 27, 2021, 09:53:42 PM
On the flip side, what interstate has the lowest percentage of states (with the exception of the 0% states)?

I-24 is in four states and only has a 2di in one of them and it's unsigned.

I-74 is in five states and only has a 2di in one.

Chris


Assuming you mean 3di.

Correct.  Was an early post for me.  I have since edited (and woken up).

Chris
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: JayhawkCO on July 28, 2021, 10:00:15 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 28, 2021, 09:09:52 AM
Quote from: jayhawkco on July 28, 2021, 08:52:56 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 27, 2021, 09:53:42 PM
On the flip side, what interstate has the lowest percentage of states (with the exception of the 0% states)?

I-24 is in four states and only has a 2di in one of them and it's unsigned.

I-74 is in five states and only has a 2di in one.

Chris
Granted I-74 barely enters IA and OH, I-24 barely enters GA, and I-59 (mentioned above) barely enters LA and GA.

But, in those barely visited states, at least the interstates are in metro areas that actually require 3dis, just not from those 2dis.  It's not an I-82 in Oregon situation.

Chris
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: formulanone on July 28, 2021, 10:29:12 AM
Unless these spurs and loops are grown up and providing for themselves, these are some very irresponsible parent interstates.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: SkyPesos on July 28, 2021, 10:32:05 AM
Quote from: formulanone on July 28, 2021, 10:29:12 AM
Unless these spurs and loops are grown up and providing for themselves, these are some very irresponsible parent interstates.
I-78 is the second most irresponsible parent interstate. First is I-38.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: SkyPesos on July 28, 2021, 10:49:24 AM
I posted these two in another 3di thread, but thought it may add to the conversation here:
Quote from: SkyPesos on February 12, 2021, 11:50:04 PM
Since this seems to be the general thread about 3 digit interstates now, here's something I have made up: the 3di frequency rate. Find a 2di route, and count every 3di occurrence of its own. Duplicated numbers will be counted separately from each other. Take the final total, and divide it from its parent route's length. This will give you what I call the "3di frequency rate". A number of 0 means that the 2di has no 3di. Besides 0s, let's see which 2di has the lowest 3di frequency rate, and which has the highest.

Example for I-75:
Length: 1786.47 mi
3di of I-75: I-175, I-275 x4, I-375 x2, I-475 x3, I-575, I-675 x3 = 14
1786.47/14 = 127.605 mi/3di

For the highest, I imagine I-25 would be the winner
For the lowest, some candidates I have in mind just from a glimpse are I-76 Eastern, I-78, I-85, I-91 and I-95. Someone else can feel free to calculate the number for them.
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 13, 2021, 11:37:02 AM
I made a spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N68cWsgFSo14bsXzUOJpnpWcBlnPo622pRx2dhCLTso/edit?usp=sharing) with the number of signed current 3di today, here's some interesting facts I gathered from that spreadsheet:

- 40 2di numbers have a signed 3di. If including unsigned, the number goes up to 42, adding in I-24 and I-45.
- This shouldn't come as a surprise, but I-95 have the most signed 3di variants, at 30 of them, with I-80 (22), I-90 (15), I-75 (14), I-40 (13) and I-10 (13) behind it, as the 5 highest.
- The most used 3di first digit and with the most 3di variants are the I-2xx, with 29 of the 40 2di with an I-2xx, and 61 I-2xx variants.
- As expected, the I-1xx are the most used odd 3di first digit. For second place, 3xx have more total variants, but more 2di have a 5xx.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on July 28, 2021, 11:32:41 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 28, 2021, 10:32:05 AM
Quote from: formulanone on July 28, 2021, 10:29:12 AM
Unless these spurs and loops are grown up and providing for themselves, these are some very irresponsible parent interstates.
I-78 is the second most irresponsible parent interstate. First is I-38.

I-78 is a better parent because it is at least somewhat around while it's children run amuck in the big city?  You are saying that's better then I-38 not even being there at all?  :-D

I think I-90 is irresponsible in Buffalo.  I-990 isn't strong enough to live on it's own and I-90 left I-290 in charge.  I-290 is hardly a qualified babysitter. 
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: kphoger on July 28, 2021, 11:50:06 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 28, 2021, 11:32:41 AM
I think I-90 is irresponsible in Buffalo.  I-990 isn't strong enough to live on it's own and I-90 left I-290 in charge.  I-290 is hardly a qualified babysitter. 

Really?  I-290 is nearly twenty years older than I-990.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: SEWIGuy on July 28, 2021, 11:58:52 AM
Quote from: kphoger on July 28, 2021, 11:50:06 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 28, 2021, 11:32:41 AM
I think I-90 is irresponsible in Buffalo.  I-990 isn't strong enough to live on it's own and I-90 left I-290 in charge.  I-290 is hardly a qualified babysitter. 

Really?  I-290 is nearly twenty years older than I-990.


Any adult who hangs out in Buffalo is a problem IMO.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on July 28, 2021, 12:04:45 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 28, 2021, 11:58:52 AM
Quote from: kphoger on July 28, 2021, 11:50:06 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 28, 2021, 11:32:41 AM
I think I-90 is irresponsible in Buffalo.  I-990 isn't strong enough to live on it's own and I-90 left I-290 in charge.  I-290 is hardly a qualified babysitter. 

Really?  I-290 is nearly twenty years older than I-990.


Any adult who hangs out in Buffalo is a problem IMO.

This comment!!
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: TheStranger on July 28, 2021, 07:07:18 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 28, 2021, 09:47:02 AM
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on July 28, 2021, 09:34:38 AM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Are there any 3di that have children of their own?  Do any of those enter multiple states?  Do any of those have children in both states?

just a shot in the dark... the *80's in the bay area? seems like some of them might just connect to each other...
Yes. 280 and 980 doesn't directly connect to I-80. Though 280 gets pretty close by in SF, and you could theoretically extend 80 south 2.3 miles on US 101 to end at and meet 280.

980 is pretty close to 80 too (by about 2 miles!).

280 has one child route that is pretty far from 80: the I-380 spur to San Francisco International Airport.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: formulanone on July 28, 2021, 08:02:42 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 28, 2021, 10:32:05 AM
Quote from: formulanone on July 28, 2021, 10:29:12 AM
Unless these spurs and loops are grown up and providing for themselves, these are some very irresponsible parent interstates.
I-78 is the second most irresponsible parent interstate. First is I-38.

Virgin birth due to conversion.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: Some one on July 28, 2021, 08:38:38 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Are there any 3di that have children of their own?  Do any of those enter multiple states?  Do any of those have children in both states?
Does I-270 Spur count? It only goes through one state though.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: SkyPesos on July 28, 2021, 08:42:26 PM
Quote from: Some one on July 28, 2021, 08:38:38 PM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Are there any 3di that have children of their own?  Do any of those enter multiple states?  Do any of those have children in both states?
Does I-270 Spur count? It only goes through one state though.
I'll ask the same about I-480N. Or is that more like a suffixed route (or in I-270 Spur's case, a bannered route)?
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on July 29, 2021, 10:26:09 AM
Are unsigned 3dis like illegitimate children or children a married man has with his mistress?  The parents know whos child it is, but no one else knows because they want to keep it a secret?  Think about it. 
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: kphoger on July 29, 2021, 10:29:29 AM
Quote from: kphoger on July 27, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Are there any 3di that have children of their own?  Do any of those enter multiple states?  Do any of those have children in both states?

OK, guys.  I know that the answer to the first question is "yes", no need to give examples that only satisfy that qualification.  I wasn't sure if any of them enter multiple states, so I appreciate seeing the examples of multi-state child-of-child Interstates.  The real question is whether any of those has children in both of the states it enters.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: paulthemapguy on July 29, 2021, 12:36:13 PM
Quote from: formulanone on July 28, 2021, 08:02:42 PM
Virgin birth due to conversion.

I-238 IS JESUS!!!!!

Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 28, 2021, 07:59:00 AM
Quote from: froggie on July 27, 2021, 11:13:02 PM
^ I-59 hits 4 states but has child routes in just one of them...granted, it has 3 child routes in that one state.

And all children happen during the I-59/I-20 concurrency.  You could argue that those children are step children (being just as easily numberd I-X20).

I-759 does not. I-459 only hits the multiplex one of two times.

I think the full list meeting the original criterion is: I-H1, I-5, I-16, I-35, I-71, I-75, I-87, I-96.  Is that correct?
Honorable mentions go to I-82 and I-72 for having 3dis in all states where the route spends an appreciable amount of time, but minuscule mileage in another state where there's no associated 3di.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: SkyPesos on July 29, 2021, 12:39:42 PM
^ I forgot about I-16...
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 27, 2021, 09:06:27 PM
I'll expand jayhawkco's list here...

3di in more states than parent goes through:
- I-35 (7/6, including WI)
- I-38 (1/0, including CA)  :bigass:
- I-75 (7/6, including IN)
- I-87 (3/2, including NJ)

3di in same number of states parent goes through, but no 3di in one of the states parent goes through:
- I-29 (4/4, including IA, missing ND)

3di in all and same number of states parent goes through:
- I-5 (3/3)
- I-16 (1/1)
- I-45 (1/1)
- I-71 (2/2)
- I-96 (1/1)

3di in at least 70% of states parent goes through:
- I-20 (5/6, 83%, missing AL)
- I-65 (3/4, 75%, missing TN)
- I-69 (5/6, 83%, missing MI)
- I-70 (7/10, 70%, missing UT, IN and PA)
- I-80 (9/11, 82%, missing UT and IN)
- I-94 (5/7, 71%, missing MT and IN)
- I-95 (13/16, 81%, missing GA, SC and NH)

2di with same or more 3dis as numbered of states passed through, and didn't make the above lists:
- I-10 (13/8)
- I-15 (6/6)
- I-64 (6/6)
- I-76 (5/5)
- I-79 (2/2)
- I-85 (9/5)
- I-90 (15/13)
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: kphoger on July 29, 2021, 12:43:00 PM
Quote from: formulanone on July 28, 2021, 08:02:42 PM

Quote from: SkyPesos on July 28, 2021, 10:32:05 AM
I-78 is the second most irresponsible parent interstate. First is I-38.

Virgin birth due to conversion.

Quote from: paulthemapguy on July 29, 2021, 12:36:13 PM
I-238 IS JESUS!!!!!

I don't think "divine conception" and "conversion" are the same thing...
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: JayhawkCO on July 29, 2021, 01:30:46 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 29, 2021, 12:39:42 PM
^ I forgot about I-16...

And I-H1; I mentioned it upthread.

Chris
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: SkyPesos on July 29, 2021, 01:45:22 PM
Speaking of I-16 and I-516, it seems like that a lot of the 2di with only one odd first digit 3di, it's a 5xx. Some other examples 520, 530, 579, and 564 (though I-64 does have a former I-164 and a state route 3di 364). Also I-40 have two 540 variants, while not having a 340 at all. Though a glaring exception to the seemingly 5xx preference is I-70, as I-570 doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on July 29, 2021, 01:46:57 PM
Do we call interstates with no children bachelors or bachelorettes?
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on July 29, 2021, 01:48:27 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 29, 2021, 01:45:22 PM
Speaking of I-16 and I-516, it seems like that a lot of the 2di with only one odd first digit 3di, it's a 5xx. Some other examples 520, 530, 579, and 564 (though I-64 does have a former I-164 and a state route 3di 364). Also I-40 have two 540 variants, while not having a 340 at all. Though a glaring exception to the seemingly 5xx preference is I-70, as I-570 doesn't exist.

I-189
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: Roadgeekteen on July 29, 2021, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 29, 2021, 01:46:57 PM
Do we call interstate with no children bachelors or bachelorettes?
Depends on their gender. I imagine even interstates as male and odd interstates as female.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: kphoger on July 29, 2021, 02:37:20 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 29, 2021, 01:54:06 PM

Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 29, 2021, 01:46:57 PM
Do we call interstate with no children bachelors or bachelorettes?

Depends on their gender.

If a turnpike has two legs, you can just check between them.
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: sparker on July 29, 2021, 06:19:56 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on July 29, 2021, 12:36:13 PM
I-238 IS JESUS!!!!!

A name undoubtedly taken in vain, probably on a daily basis, by commuters trying to get on to it -- particularly from I-880 -- anytime from 3 pm to about 7 pm!
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on July 30, 2021, 10:59:04 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 29, 2021, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 29, 2021, 01:46:57 PM
Do we call interstate with no children bachelors or bachelorettes?
Depends on their gender. I imagine even interstates as male and odd interstates as female.

I think the opposite.  Even interstates are long and go through so many different geological features across the continent.  I think of them as long and elegant like a woman.  Odd interstates connect north and south, in the east that means industrial area to industrial area.  Rugged and oafish, like men. 
Title: Re: Interstates that have children in all of its states
Post by: SkyPesos on July 30, 2021, 11:24:22 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 29, 2021, 01:48:27 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 29, 2021, 01:45:22 PM
Speaking of I-16 and I-516, it seems like that a lot of the 2di with only one odd first digit 3di, it's a 5xx. Some other examples 520, 530, 579, and 564 (though I-64 does have a former I-164 and a state route 3di 364). Also I-40 have two 540 variants, while not having a 340 at all. Though a glaring exception to the seemingly 5xx preference is I-70, as I-570 doesn't exist.

I-189
There are many exceptions of course. I-182 is another.