I don't know everything but AFAIK these are the rivals for every state in the union:
Washington vs Oregon
California vs Texas
California vs Nevada
Alaska vs Hawaii
Arizona vs New Mexico
Utah vs Colorado
California vs Montana
Idaho vs Montana
Colorado vs Wyoming
North Dakota vs South Dakota
Nebraska vs Kansas
Missouri vs Kansas
Missouri vs Illinois
Texas vs Oklahoma
Iowa vs Minnesota
Minnesota vs Wisconsin
Illinois vs Wisconsin
Michigan vs Ohio
Indiana vs Ohio
Kentucky vs Tennessee
Arkansas vs Louisiana
Louisiana vs Mississippi
Mississippi vs Alabama
Florida vs Georgia
North Carolina vs South Carolina
Virginia vs West Virginia
Virginia vs Maryland
Delaware vs New Jersey vs Pennsylvania (three way rivalry)
Delaware vs Maryland
Pennsylvania vs New York
New Jersey vs New York
California vs New York
Connecticut vs New York
Connecticut vs Massachusetts
Rhode Island vs Massachusetts
New Hampshire vs Massachusetts
New Hampshire vs Vermont
Maine vs ???? Who even is Maine's rival?
Which ones did I miss, or which ones on here are not actually rivalries?
While I don't live close to the Rhode Island border, so I can't be entirely certain, I think they're allied with Massachusetts.
(at least recently; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_Island_v._Massachusetts for one in 1838)
Rivalries at what?
But, in general... Iowa versus every other surrounding state, because they all like to make fun of it?
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Having in lived in both Arizona and California I can say that a lot of residents of both have disdain for each other. The mode of living and political demographics of Arizona and California tend to largely run opposite of each other. I would certainly rank Arizona-California higher than anything the list but I wouldn't necessarily call it a "rivalry."
Quote from: kphoger on August 23, 2021, 07:19:15 PM
Rivalries at what?
But, in general... Iowa versus every other surrounding state, because they all like to make fun of it?
Anything. Economics, tourism, sports, people fighting over which is a better state to live, entertainment, general dislike for the residents of the rival state, the list goes on.
It isn't statewide, but there's definitely a Chicago versus New York City thing.
50-60 years ago I would say Minnesota was Iowa's biggest rival, but as their economies have gone different directions I would say Iowa's biggest rival now would probably be Nebraska. With apologies to DandyDan, Iowa isn't a place I think about much.
Do you know why Iowa doesn't have a professional football team?
Because then Illinois and Minnesota would want one.
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Do you know why Iowa doesn't have a professional football team?
Because then Illinois and Minnesota would want one.
Spoken like a true Wisconsinite! :D
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Pennsylvania vs New York
New Jersey vs New York
Also Pennsylvania vs New Jersey, even though you had that one in three-way with Delaware.
The NY-NJ-PA dynamic is an interesting one. There's definitely no love between New York and New Jersey. That would have to be top-five nationwide. But then you also have somewhat of a NYC-Philly rivalry with NYers vacationing on the north Jersey shore while Philadelphians vacation on the south Jersey shore, with both thinking "their" Jersey shore is better. So that kind of falls under NY-PA even though it plays out in NJ. :-P
(And that's not even to mention upstate NY, the part of NY that actually borders PA; although to be fair, any rivalry involving NY is really based on NYC)
Quote from: kphoger on August 23, 2021, 07:19:15 PM
Rivalries at what?
But, in general... Iowa versus every other surrounding state, because they all like to make fun of it?
We don't really make fun of Iowa. Probably because for being bordering states, WI and IA don't interact much, and the border is pretty insignificant with only one major crossing and three crossings in total. Compare that to our borders with IL and MN, two of the most-crossed borders in the region.
Massachusetts's rival is New York. I've never felt any rivalry with the other New England states except maybe Connecticut.
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Massachusetts's rival is New York. I've never felt any rivalry with the other New England states except maybe Connecticut.
I think that's more between Boston and NYC than the states as a whole. As far as I know, there are no hard feelings between upstate NY and MA. Upstate NY actually has quite a bit in common with western MA in that both regions are massively overshadowed in their respective states.
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Massachusetts's rival is New York. I've never felt any rivalry with the other New England states except maybe Connecticut.
I think a lot of New Hampshire residents hate Massachusetts. I don't know about Rhode Island. The only states it borders are CT and MA. I guess Rhode Island's rival could be, in a way, Alaska or Texas?
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Massachusetts's rival is New York. I've never felt any rivalry with the other New England states except maybe Connecticut.
I think a lot of New Hampshire residents hate Massachusetts.
Most people in Massachusetts see New Hampshire as a summer playground or a tax-free shopping place.
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Massachusetts's rival is New York. I've never felt any rivalry with the other New England states except maybe Connecticut.
I think a lot of New Hampshire residents hate Massachusetts.
Most people in Massachusetts see New Hampshire as a summer playground or a tax-free shopping place.
Which is probably why NH residents hate them. It's the same thing with Wisconsin and Illinois.
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Massachusetts's rival is New York. I've never felt any rivalry with the other New England states except maybe Connecticut.
I think a lot of New Hampshire residents hate Massachusetts.
Most people in Massachusetts see New Hampshire as a summer playground or a tax-free shopping place.
Which is probably why NH residents hate them. It's the same thing with Wisconsin and Illinois.
You can probably subdivide some of these. Western WI is a playground for Twin Cities residents, though at least regionally without any of the notoriety of the FIBs.
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Alaska vs Hawaii
What makes you think that? Yeah, they both compete for tourist dollars, but they are too dissimilar to be really competitive. If anything, Alaskans like to escape the cold in Hawaii, and to a lesser extent the reverse. Another thing that unites them is antipathy for the mainland states in general, though Alaskans' feelings about "Outside" are stronger than anything in Hawaii.
As for California, ISTM that any rivalries with other states pale in comparison to regional rivalries within California, with water being the most divisive issue.
If there is an rivalry between Indiana and Ohio, then Ohio and New York has a rivalry.
Kansas and Nebraska not a thing. Missouri definitely a thing.
Chris
Quote from: oscar on August 23, 2021, 11:49:26 PMAnother thing that unites them is antipathy for the mainland states in general, though Alaskans' feelings about "Outside" are stronger than anything in Hawaii.
Interesting. In what ways are the Alaskans' stronger? During the Olympics it probably came to a lot of people's attention that there's a growing number of people in Hawaii who have started to see themselves as Hawaiians first before Americans. I'm guessing Alaska Natives have some similar feelings as native Hawaiians, but do the white American population in Alaska have a similar distaste for the mainland?
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Kansas and Nebraska not a thing. Missouri definitely a thing.
Chris
As a former Nebraska resident, its only real rival is Iowa.
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50-60 years ago I would say Minnesota was Iowa's biggest rival, but as their economies have gone different directions I would say Iowa's biggest rival now would probably be Nebraska. With apologies to DandyDan, Iowa isn't a place I think about much.
I wouldn't think about it much if I didn't live here. OTOH, I have not only lived here, but 3 of the neighboring states as well and all of them love to make fun of Iowa.
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Rivalries at what?
But, in general... Iowa versus every other surrounding state, because they all like to make fun of it?
We don't really make fun of Iowa. Probably because for being bordering states, WI and IA don't interact much, and the border is pretty insignificant with only one major crossing and three crossings in total. Compare that to our borders with IL and MN, two of the most-crossed borders in the region.
I believe this to only be a rivalry on the football field.
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If there is an rivalry between Indiana and Ohio, then Ohio and New York has a rivalry.
Yeah there's not really a statewide rivalry between Indiana and Ohio. Indiana-Kentucky is more of a rivalry.
I thought people from Washington State and Oregon hated California. And I can confirm Mississippi is definitely losing the Louisiana and Alabama rivalries.
Maine and Massachusetts also. You can hear the term Masshole quite often in the summertime.
Chris
Quote from: kenarmy on August 24, 2021, 07:55:49 AM
I thought people from Washington State and Oregon hated California. And I can confirm Mississippi is definitely losing the Louisiana and Alabama rivalries.
A lot of California hates California. There is a massive disconnect between the following regions:
- Los Angeles-Inland Empire
- Greater San Diego
- The Mojave Desert, Sonoran Desert and Eastern Sierras
- The Central Valley
- The San Francisco Bay Area
- The Sierra Nevada Foothills
- The so called State of Jefferson
The difference between urban and rural lifestyles in California in my observation is one of the most pronounced in the country.
WV - VA is not a thing. WV anyplace is really not a thing, main reason is, similar to the CA discussion above, the various parts of WV are MUCH more like the state they border upon, than like one another.
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WV - VA is not a thing. WV anyplace is really not a thing, main reason is, similar to the CA discussion above, the various parts of WV are MUCH more like the state they border upon, than like one another.
Agreed, West Virginia versus Virginia was settled at the end of the Civil War. But West Virginia versus Ohio was a big thing in the Charleston/Huntington area. So much so, that one of the editors of the Charleston Daily Mail evening newspaper ran a Friday editorial with Ohio Jokes, sprinkled with West Virginia Jokes that were sent back by editors of various newspapers in Southeastern and Central Ohio. Many of the jokes aimed at West Virginia would be considered culturally insensitive today, but they were often so true that we looked forward to seeing ourselves in a comedic light.
Yeah, WV/OH is definitely a rivalry. Been hearing jokes from my relatives down there for decades.
Georgia probably has a bigger rivalry with Alabama than it does with Florida.
Texas vs. every single one of its neighbors, Colorado, California.
Texans are a contentious people.
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Texas vs. every single one of its neighbors, Colorado, California.
Texans are a contentious people.
No one in Colorado cares about Texas other than their drivers. I wouldn't say Colorado has a rival state at all, but if I had to pick one, probably California.
Chris
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WV - VA is not a thing. WV anyplace is really not a thing, main reason is, similar to the CA discussion above, the various parts of WV are MUCH more like the state they border upon, than like one another.
Virginia doesn’t really have a rival state either. Nova might have a rivalry with Maryland, but in redder parts of the state Nova is thought of pretty much
as Maryland.
North Carolina beach towns sell some stickers that are a parody of the “Virginia is for lovers” logo that says “Virginia has no waves” but other than that the states don’t really have a rivalry other than who resents the northerners moving to them more. (Tongue firmly in cheek.)
Virginia’s main rival is itself, I think.
I think if I were coming up with a list, it would probably be:
Washington vs. Oregon
Texas vs. Oklahoma
Minnesota vs. Wisconsin
Kansas vs. Missouri
Massachusetts vs. Maine
Florida vs. Georgia
North Dakota vs. South Dakota
Ohio vs. Michigan
New York vs. New Jersey
California vs. Most Everyone
Chris
Quote from: TXtoNJ on August 24, 2021, 10:04:39 AM
Texas vs. every single one of its neighbors, Colorado, California.
Texans are a contentious people.
I disagree. Texas's big rivals are California and Oklahoma (maybe). Texas gets along well with Louisiana, Arkansas, and New Mexico, and while we have a sense of state pride, I wouldn't describe Texans as contentious.
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WV - VA is not a thing. WV anyplace is really not a thing, main reason is, similar to the CA discussion above, the various parts of WV are MUCH more like the state they border upon, than like one another.
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Virginia doesn't really have a rival state either. Nova might have a rivalry with Maryland, but in redder parts of the state Nova is thought of pretty much as Maryland.
North Carolina beach towns sell some stickers that are a parody of the "Virginia is for lovers" logo that says "Virginia has no waves" but other than that the states don't really have a rivalry other than who resents the northerners moving to them more. (Tongue firmly in cheek.)
Virginia's main rival is itself, I think.
Ah, but here. "North Carolina is a vale of humility between two mountains of conceit [Virginia and South Carolina]".
That quote is not how the statement was originally presented, but it has been handed down for several generations. Dr. William S. Powell, the de facto chief historian for North Carolina, has an interesting statement about how this rivalry got its start in NCPedia: https://www.ncpedia.org/vale-humility-between-two-mountains (https://www.ncpedia.org/vale-humility-between-two-mountains)
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Texas vs. every single one of its neighbors, Colorado, California.
Texans are a contentious people.
I disagree. Texas's big rivals are California and Oklahoma (maybe). Texas gets along well with Louisiana, Arkansas, and New Mexico, and while we have a sense of state pride, I wouldn't describe Texans as contentious.
Yeah I don't agree with that. People in those three states think Texans are stuck up, and in the case of NM, always at risk of conquering/buying half the state. They sure do like the money Texans bring in though.
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Quote from: oscar on August 23, 2021, 11:49:26 PMAnother thing that unites them is antipathy for the mainland states in general, though Alaskans' feelings about "Outside" are stronger than anything in Hawaii.
Interesting. In what ways are the Alaskans' stronger? During the Olympics it probably came to a lot of people's attention that there's a growing number of people in Hawaii who have started to see themselves as Hawaiians first before Americans. I'm guessing Alaska Natives have some similar feelings as native Hawaiians, but do the white American population in Alaska have a similar distaste for the mainland?
The Hawaiian sovereignty movement draws on the state's origins as an independent monarchy, which was overthrown by mainland business interests. The Alaska natives never had that level of self-rule.
The Alaskan independence movement (more of a joke than Hawaii's) is mainly a white people thing, an amped-up version of the resentments common in western states about Federal control over land use and resource extraction.
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 24, 2021, 10:26:26 AM
I think if I were coming up with a list, it would probably be:
Washington vs. Oregon
Texas vs. Oklahoma
Minnesota vs. Wisconsin
Kansas vs. Missouri
Massachusetts vs. Maine
Florida vs. Georgia
North Dakota vs. South Dakota
Ohio vs. Michigan
New York vs. New Jersey
California vs. Most Everyone
Chris
MA vs. ME seems one-directional to me, though -- Mainards complaining about MA. MA vs. NY is much more palpable to me.
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Georgia probably has a bigger rivalry with Alabama than it does with Florida.
Florida's rivalry with Georgia seems to only come up for one college football game every year, and that's about it. Much of northeastern and "North Central Florida" is pretty much southern Georgia, anyhow. The western Panhandle is more synonymous with southern Alabama, and the rest is just compared to wherever the transplants and snowbirds came from. I haven't met large swaths of Florida Panhandle denizens who are still bitter about West Florida (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Florida) going to their respective territories and eventually, states!
Florida and New York/Jersey comes up a somewhat in southeastern and central Florida, but not so much as a rivalry (except in the AFC East), but more of a "this is how we did it there" kind of thing. It got a little grating after a while, but mention the lack of snow, year-round beaches, and lower taxes/prices, and they'd usually pause the argument for another day. :)
Florida Man tends to nullify rivalries, whether the incident was real or not.
Quote from: kphoger on August 23, 2021, 07:31:02 PM
It isn't statewide, but there's definitely a Chicago versus New York City thing.
Also, Los Angeles vs. New York.
As for states, I'd say it's CA vs. everybody else because of how they like to do things differently (road signs being the primary example). Back home in IL, I'd also say IN is another rival, particularly because where they meet Lake Michigan, they share the Chicago area. And then you have Super Bowl XLI between the Colts and Bears, which produced the first of Peyton Manning's two rings (not to mention Bulls vs. Pacers in the NBA).
Quote from: Rothman on August 24, 2021, 11:09:40 AM
MA vs. ME seems one-directional to me, though -- Mainards complaining about MA. MA vs. NY is much more palpable to me.
.. although as I mentioned, MA vs. NY is really just code for Boston vs. NYC. :-P
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It isn't statewide, but there's definitely a Chicago versus New York City thing.
Also, Los Angeles vs. New York.
As for states, I'd say it's CA vs. everybody else because of how they like to do things differently (road signs being the primary example). Back home in IL, I'd also say IN is another rival, particularly because where they meet Lake Michigan, they share the Chicago area. And then you have Super Bowl XLI between the Colts and Bears, which produced the first of Peyton Manning's two rings (not to mention Bulls vs. Pacers in the NBA).
The amusing part I've always found is that most of the country seems to believe that the entirety of California is like the Bay Area or Los Angeles. Much of the state more resembles rural Arizona, Oregon and even in Nebraska in character.
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 24, 2021, 10:26:26 AM
I think if I were coming up with a list, it would probably be:
Washington vs. Oregon
Texas vs. Oklahoma
Minnesota vs. Wisconsin
Kansas vs. Missouri
Massachusetts vs. Maine
Florida vs. Georgia
North Dakota vs. South Dakota
Ohio vs. Michigan
New York vs. New Jersey
California vs. Most Everyone
Chris
Wisconsin vs Illinois is a much bigger rivalry than Wisconsin vs Minnesota. WI and MN is more of a "friendly rivalry" while WI and IL is legitimate.
There's a small rivalry with NJ and Delaware. And unfortunately, Delaware will win most of them. Since the border of Delaware encompasses the entire Delaware River up to the high tide on the NJ side, if any NJ town wants to do anything over the water - a pier, a beach, whatever - Delaware is going to need to approve the plan. And most often, they don't.
On the other hand, NJ does have an interesting Twitter account that often will treat Delaware like a little child, which they have some fun with.
Quote from: thspfc on August 24, 2021, 01:11:05 PM
Wisconsin vs Illinois is a much bigger rivalry than Wisconsin vs Minnesota. WI and MN is more of a "friendly rivalry" while WI and IL is legitimate.
I'm curious to know how far south into Illinois that exists.
Quote from: thspfc on August 24, 2021, 01:11:05 PM
Wisconsin vs Illinois is a much bigger rivalry than Wisconsin vs Minnesota. WI and MN is more of a "friendly rivalry" while WI and IL is legitimate.
Seems like it might be dependent on which portion of the state as far as Wisconsin was concerned. Having grown up in the Twin Cities and having lots of relatives from western Wisconsin, we definitely felt it there. I'm sure Milwaukee/Kenosha/Racine/etc. probably cares more about Illinois.
Chris
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Wisconsin vs Illinois is a much bigger rivalry than Wisconsin vs Minnesota. WI and MN is more of a "friendly rivalry" while WI and IL is legitimate.
Seems like it might be dependent on which portion of the state as far as Wisconsin was concerned. Having grown up in the Twin Cities and having lots of relatives from western Wisconsin, we definitely felt it there. I'm sure Milwaukee/Kenosha/Racine/etc. probably cares more about Illinois.
The line I see occasionally from western WI-ites is "if Minnesota is so great, why do you come to Wisconsin every weekend?"
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Massachusetts's rival is New York. I've never felt any rivalry with the other New England states except maybe Connecticut.
I think a lot of New Hampshire residents hate Massachusetts.
Most people in Massachusetts see New Hampshire as a summer playground or a tax-free shopping place.
Which is probably why NH residents hate them. It's the same thing with Wisconsin and Illinois.
You can probably subdivide some of these. Western WI is a playground for Twin Cities residents, though at least regionally without any of the notoriety of the FIBs.
Illinois have plates are liked for the money they bring in, but most Wisconsinites and Michiganders could do without the attitude and crappy driving habits.
Ontario vs Quebec (and more specifically, Toronto vs Montreal)
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Wisconsin vs Illinois is a much bigger rivalry than Wisconsin vs Minnesota. WI and MN is more of a "friendly rivalry" while WI and IL is legitimate.
I'm curious to know how far south into Illinois that exists.
I-80 because the land south of I-80 is so mountainous that no one can live there.
Quote from: jayhawkco on August 24, 2021, 10:08:04 AM
I wouldn't say Colorado has a rival state at all, but if I had to pick one, probably California.
I feel like Utah has a friendly rivalry with Colorado, seeing as they're both mountain states with world-class ski resorts and good size metropolitan areas... but maybe this is not as much of a thing on your side of the state line.
Idaho and Utah may have something similar going on - Idaho is basically just another Utah that's 20-30 years behind. Both are rapidly growing states, especially due to transplants from places like California, and both have a substantial liberal capital city surrounded by very conservative and often heavily Mormon rural areas. The way I see things there, Idaho tries as hard as it can to be like Utah while Utah really doesn't give a crap about its northern neighbor.
Overheard at a Mormon church meeting where some poor kid got called to the Salt Lake City South mission:
"Not Idaho."
Still, not sure how it plays from Idaho towards Utah, though. Idahoans just suck it up, in my experience.
Had a roommate from Shelby...Home of the Russets, meaning their high school mascot.
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I wouldn't say Colorado has a rival state at all, but if I had to pick one, probably California.
I feel like Utah has a friendly rivalry with Colorado, seeing as they're both mountain states with world-class ski resorts and good size metropolitan areas... but maybe this is not as much of a thing on your side of the state line.
Idaho and Utah may have something similar going on - Idaho is basically just another Utah that's 20-30 years behind. Both are rapidly growing states, especially due to transplants from places like California, and both have a substantial liberal capital city surrounded by very conservative and often heavily Mormon rural areas. The way I see things there, Idaho tries as hard as it can to be like Utah while Utah really doesn't give a crap about its northern neighbor.
I don't feel like Colorado has a ton in common with any of our neighbors, that's probably why.
Wyoming - No population, very conservative
Nebraska - Very agricultural for most of the state, and big city is far from the border
Kansas - Same
Oklahoma - Barely borders, very conservative
New Mexico - Same politics, but demographically and economically way different
Utah - Probably as similar as it gets for Colorado, still politically way different
Chris
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I wouldn't say Colorado has a rival state at all, but if I had to pick one, probably California.
I feel like Utah has a friendly rivalry with Colorado, seeing as they're both mountain states with world-class ski resorts and good size metropolitan areas... but maybe this is not as much of a thing on your side of the state line.
Idaho and Utah may have something similar going on - Idaho is basically just another Utah that's 20-30 years behind. Both are rapidly growing states, especially due to transplants from places like California, and both have a substantial liberal capital city surrounded by very conservative and often heavily Mormon rural areas. The way I see things there, Idaho tries as hard as it can to be like Utah while Utah really doesn't give a crap about its northern neighbor.
I don't feel like Colorado has a ton in common with any of our neighbors, that's probably why.
Wyoming - No population, very conservative
Nebraska - Very agricultural for most of the state, and big city is far from the border
Kansas - Same
Oklahoma - Barely borders, very conservative
New Mexico - Same politics, but demographically and economically way different
Utah - Probably as similar as it gets for Colorado, still politically way different
Chris
Eastern Colorado is probably similar to the plains states.
Yes, but only a pretty narrow strip of eastern Colorado. You don't have to go much farther west than the state line for farmland to give way to scrub and ranches.
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Utah - Probably as similar as it gets for Colorado, still politically way different
I don't know that the politics are really that different though. Utah still has a fairly significant liberal base in Salt Lake City, Park City, and western Salt Lake County among other places, but it hasn't yet reached the point where that is big enough to affect statewide politics. Colorado only reached that stage in the last 15 years or so. I say give Utah another 10-15 years and it might start looking a little more purple than you'd think.
I never heard of California vs Montana Rivalry before.
California Vs. New York definitely happened due to having largest cities in each coast.
California vs. Texas definitely because Houston area gets compared to being the next Los Angeles and Austin gets compared to being the next San Jose/San Francisco and Sacramento area. El Paso gets compared to San Diego and Dallas gets compared to Los Angeles too.
North Carolina vs. California given that they have tech clusters and VC's near major research campuses as in Research Triangle vs Silicon Valley.
There's a meme that makes the rounds occasionally on social media about which states other states hate. In it, Kentucky hates Tennessee, but both Indiana and Tennessee hate Kentucky.
And New Jersey hates everybody! :rofl:
In terms of sports rivalries, Tennessee really seems to hate Alabama more than anyone else.
No Texas vs. Florida?
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No Texas vs. Florida?
Any particular reason there would be?
Chris
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No Texas vs. Florida?
Any particular reason there would be?
Chris
Hottest? Craziest? Covid cases? Best highly-populated Southern state?
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No Texas vs. Florida?
Any particular reason there would be?
Chris
Covid cases?
Mississippi and Alabama have consistently been worse than Texas in this regard. Texas just gets more news because it's a swing state.
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Any particular reason there would be?
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Taxes, perhaps? Neither state has an income tax, so they battle for jobs and retirees.
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Any particular reason there would be?
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Covid cases?
Mississippi and Alabama have consistently been worse than Texas in this regard. Texas just gets more news because it's a swing state.
that's what i've been saying! Local news stations (MS) always barked at Florida for having so many cases, but now our cases are at an all-time high and they are barely talking about it.
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No Texas vs. Florida?
Any particular reason there would be?
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Covid cases?
Mississippi and Alabama have consistently been worse than Texas in this regard. Texas just gets more news because it's a swing state.
I think we define swing differently.
Chris
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No Texas vs. Florida?
Any particular reason there would be?
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Covid cases?
Mississippi and Alabama have consistently been worse than Texas in this regard. Texas just gets more news because it's a swing state.
I think we define swing differently.
Chris
Agreed. Texas has gotten less red over the years, but it's got a ways to go before being a swing state.
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Covid cases?
Mississippi and Alabama have consistently been worse than Texas in this regard. Texas just gets more news because it's a swing state.
I think we define swing differently.
Chris
Agreed. Texas has gotten less red over the years, but it's got a ways to go before being a swing state.
I think maybe "competitive" is a better word than "swing". But in any case, there's a bunch of other reasons why Texas gets more news coverage than AL/MS. The fact that it's now a competitive state in nationwide elections might not even be top-5.
-It's the second-most populous state in the nation
-It has two of the five largest metro areas in the nation
-It's fast growing, and, like Florida, is seen as a warm-weather haven/getaway for northerners, so it's seen as a place where Covid could spread rapidly
-It has a Republican governor and is traditionally a very red state
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-It has a Republican governor and is traditionally a very red state.
Traditionally? That's actually a more recent development. Wasn't so long ago that LBJ and Ann Richards were from there...
Massachusetts vs North Carolina because these states have had "The Best Ivy League Universities" on the east coast.
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Massachusetts's rival is New York. I've never felt any rivalry with the other New England states except maybe Connecticut.
I think a lot of New Hampshire residents hate Massachusetts.
Most people in Massachusetts see New Hampshire as a summer playground or a tax-free shopping place.
That sounds like how Californian look at Nevada is brought up as a summer/winter playground and a tax free shopping place.
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I thought people from Washington State and Oregon hated California. And I can confirm Mississippi is definitely losing the Louisiana and Alabama rivalries.
A lot of California hates California. There is a massive disconnect between the following regions:
- Los Angeles-Inland Empire
- Greater San Diego
- The Mojave Desert, Sonoran Desert and Eastern Sierras
- The Central Valley
- The San Francisco Bay Area
- The Sierra Nevada Foothills
- The so called State of Jefferson
The difference between urban and rural lifestyles in California in my observation is one of the most pronounced in the country.
Yes most definitely but usually it's because of San Francisco vs. Los Angeles rivalries in sports though when discussed on the national level.
However there's even a divide when it comes to water disputes it's San Joaquin Valley and Southern California get together and fight against Greater Sacramento + Solano County over the delta tunnels from Elk Grove to Rio Vista and that water is supposed to head for the San Joaquin valley and Southern California for water supply.
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Massachusetts vs North Carolina because these states have had "The Best Ivy League Universities" on the east coast.
There are no Ivy League schools in NC and there is no rivalry between MA and NC.
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No Texas vs. Florida?
Never heard of this one; the only time I've heard Texans mention Florida is in regards to Disney World, and Floridians of missed hurricanes that went to the Gulf of Mexico.
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Massachusetts vs North Carolina because these states have had "The Best Ivy League Universities" on the east coast.
There are no Ivy League schools in NC and there is no rivalry between MA and NC.
Probably a reference to Duke, which is different from the Ivy League (which is actually a sports conference) only in terms of geography and the presence of a powerhouse basketball program.
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Massachusetts vs North Carolina because these states have had "The Best Ivy League Universities" on the east coast.
There are no Ivy League schools in NC and there is no rivalry between MA and NC.
Probably a reference to Duke, which is different from the Ivy League (which is actually a sports conference) only in terms of geography and the presence of a powerhouse basketball program.
There is actually an Ivy Council which coodinates collaboration among the schools so it's a bit more than just a sports conference, and Duke is very different from the Ivy schools in more ways than just geography and athletics.
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California vs Montana
Idaho vs Montana
And I thought Griz/Cat wouldn't get any more divisive in Montana! But we still have the upper hand in the Governor's Cup against Eastern Washington and the Brawl of the Wild against Montana State. We haven't done too much with the Idaho football rivalries since they rejoined the Big Sky recently. They still have the upper hand in their Little Brown Stein rivalry game against us. California, though, that depends on what topic specifically each state has the upper hand on. I would say for the most part California has the advantage athletics wise, but for everything else, your guess is as good as mine. Missoulians tend to not be fond of Californians mainly for how liberal they tend to be at times.
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No Texas vs. Florida?
Never heard of this one; the only time I've heard Texans mention Florida is in regards to Disney World, and Floridians of missed hurricanes that went to the Gulf of Mexico.
Texas loves Florida (specifically, the Panhandle), and Florida is far too busy with its rivalry with its own residents.
Heh, pertinent to the thread at the Minnesota State Fair:
Saw a guy with a Nebraska T-shirt that said "build a wall and make Iowa pay for it"
Five seconds later, a "Minnesota -> Wisconsin I'm With Stupid" shirt
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Massachusetts vs North Carolina because these states have had "The Best Ivy League Universities" on the east coast.
There are no Ivy League schools in NC and there is no rivalry between MA and NC.
Probably a reference to Duke, which is different from the Ivy League (which is actually a sports conference) only in terms of geography and the presence of a powerhouse basketball program.
Yes I mean Duke and UNC the ones that get viewed as North Carolina's best colleges.
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California vs Montana
Can the average Californian even point out Montana on a map? I'm going to have to dispute this one. I don't think either state cares about each other, other than the typical anti-California bias you will find in every western state that is not California.
Kansas has fought with Colorado and Nebraska over water (in the Arkansas and Republican Rivers respectively). There have been tensions with Missouri and Oklahoma over the years as well. The pool of contentious issues includes tax competition, gambling, using publicly funded incentives to poach businesses, the perception that the bordering state is launching a race to the bottom with laxer regulations, and so on.