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Title: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: KCRoadFan on August 27, 2021, 06:49:17 PM
I was just thinking: where have you seen an ampersand (the "&"  symbol) on a freeway exit sign? (I'm talking about the main sign at the exit, not supplementary signage.) However common it might be, it seems rare enough to me that whenever I do see it, it immediately stands out. The two signs that I can think of are both in Missouri: namely, the exit for "Hickman Mills Drive/Blue River Road/85th & 87th Street"  on US 71 in my hometown of KC, and the exit for "Lucas & Hunt Road"  on I-70 just outside St. Louis. In addition, cloverleaf interchanges in Minnesota use an ampersand to separate the letter suffixes instead of a hyphen; for example, the interchange with I-90 north of Albert Lea is "EXITS 13A&B"  on I-35, which would appear as "EXITS 13A-B"  in most other states.

Aside from what I mentioned, what other examples are there of ampersands on freeway exit signs throughout the country?
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: hotdogPi on August 27, 2021, 06:54:23 PM
Exits 60&62, I-84, Connecticut
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: MikeTheActuary on August 27, 2021, 07:08:24 PM
Exit 39&41/41&39, I-91, Connecticut
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: Scott5114 on August 27, 2021, 07:10:54 PM
The reason why it's rare is because it's discouraged by the MUTCD:

Quote from: 2009 MUTCD, Chapter 2E
Periods, apostrophes, question marks, ampersands, or other punctuation or characters that are not letters, numerals, or hyphens should not be used in abbreviations, unless necessary to avoid confusion.

The solidus (slanted line or forward slash) is intended to be used for fractions only and should not be used to separate words on the same line of legend. Instead, a hyphen should be used for this purpose, such as "CARS — TRUCKS."

Amusingly, the example the MUTCD gives uses an en dash, not a hyphen, but whatever.

"Hickman Mills Drive/Blue River Road/85th & 87th Street" should be signed as "Hickman Mills Drive/Blue River Road/85th St — 87th St". The only bad thing is that since they're numeric streets, it resembles a range rather than a separations, kind of implying that there's an 86th Street that can be reached from that exit too. (Maybe MoDOT should stop trying to cram four roads on one sign panel...)
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: Henry on August 27, 2021, 07:12:14 PM
I'm sure that commuter parking lots would disqualify for this, e.g. "PARK & RIDE".
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on August 27, 2021, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: Henry on August 27, 2021, 07:12:14 PM
I'm sure that commuter parking lots would disqualify for this, e.g. "PARK & RIDE".

Only if it's in Baltimore.
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: formulanone on August 27, 2021, 07:18:48 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 27, 2021, 07:10:54 PM
(Maybe MoDOT should stop trying to cram four roads on one sign panel...)

Three's a stretch:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50403311307_0d19d72dd5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jMY9qK)
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: webny99 on August 27, 2021, 07:46:46 PM
^ That entire last line is bonkers. "Jct Routes" could be eliminated. Presumably US-50 (dash and all) could be as well, and then you could have a sign about half the width of that one.
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: plain on August 27, 2021, 08:11:39 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 27, 2021, 07:46:46 PM
^ That entire last line is bonkers. "Jct Routes" could be eliminated. Presumably US-50 (dash and all) could be as well, and then you could have a sign about half the width of that one.

Also, I think that 2 could be moved to the right a bit.
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: 1995hoo on August 27, 2021, 08:17:20 PM
Inner Loop of the Capital Beltway approaching Exits 169 and 170, the exit tabs use ampersands "Exits 169 & 170B" ).

I think we had a thread about this before.
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: SkyPesos on August 27, 2021, 08:24:39 PM
Exit tab for OH 126 "Exits 32B&C" (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2260862,-84.3725228,3a,46.4y,80.06h,92.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKzSF6p_OvJkUs_1SwBCufg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). This is the only example I can think of right now, as normally, the state uses dashes for suffixed exits.
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: Scott5114 on August 27, 2021, 08:32:50 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 27, 2021, 07:46:46 PM
^ That entire last line is bonkers. "Jct Routes" could be eliminated. Presumably US-50 (dash and all) could be as well, and then you could have a sign about half the width of that one.

Except the problem is that MoDOT specs say that "Route" must be prefixed on every route number, including Interstates, and that it must never be abbreviated, ever. So you get this funky "Route I-xx" construction that shows up whenever MoDOT has to refer to an interstate in text form.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Jct_Route_I-44.jpg)

Of course, KDOT (and most other states) would solve this problem by just signing it "(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/I-435.svg/25px-I-435.svg.png)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/I-470.svg/25px-I-470.svg.png)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/US_50.svg/20px-US_50.svg.png)".
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: bassoon1986 on August 27, 2021, 08:46:35 PM
I was thinking this new interchange on I-35E in Denton, Tx had an ampersand. Just looots of hyphens. And an apostrophe.

https://goo.gl/maps/6NeS7pZYCmdXhtVw5


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Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: froggie on August 27, 2021, 09:00:42 PM
Quote from: plain on August 27, 2021, 08:11:39 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 27, 2021, 07:46:46 PM
^ That entire last line is bonkers. "Jct Routes" could be eliminated. Presumably US-50 (dash and all) could be as well, and then you could have a sign about half the width of that one.

Also, I think that 2 could be moved to the right a bit.

Actually, if anything, the 2 should be moved to the left to line up with the fractions above (whole numbers left of fractions).
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: plain on August 27, 2021, 09:19:28 PM
Quote from: froggie on August 27, 2021, 09:00:42 PM
Quote from: plain on August 27, 2021, 08:11:39 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 27, 2021, 07:46:46 PM
^ That entire last line is bonkers. "Jct Routes" could be eliminated. Presumably US-50 (dash and all) could be as well, and then you could have a sign about half the width of that one.

Also, I think that 2 could be moved to the right a bit.

Actually, if anything, the 2 should be moved to the left to line up with the fractions above (whole numbers left of fractions).

That makes sense but I don't recall actually seeing signs like that.

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As for the ampersands, here's Exits 5 & 6 on I-264 EB in Portsmouth. This actually could also go in the thread about the ramps that split into different exit numbers or letters or something... I forgot what it was.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/kMCRPkfUM5BLwNWB8
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: ran4sh on August 27, 2021, 11:33:49 PM
The Clearview ampersand is terrible compared to the FHWA standard font ampersand.

As for the fractions being aligned on Interchange Sequence signs, that is the standard in some states, although the MUTCD example sign doesn't do that.
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: wanderer2575 on August 27, 2021, 11:50:29 PM
I-70 East & West (and also I-81 East & West) near Hagerstown MD:
https://goo.gl/maps/QpvZ8RCxTbE4mBDP6

For Clearview, we have exits 148A & 147 near Brighton MI:
https://goo.gl/maps/X1Eu257WjpWpsMfz6
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: DTComposer on August 27, 2021, 11:52:17 PM
This was on I-5 northbound in Santa Clarita (Los Angeles County) for about 10 years:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51407096636_3265b1c8e6_k.jpg)
(image from GSV)

It has since been replaced to accommodate the internal exit number tab. "Ventura &" was removed, so it now (erroneously) implies that CA-126 West is Newhall Ranch Road.
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on August 28, 2021, 03:35:52 AM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on August 27, 2021, 06:49:17 PMIn addition, cloverleaf interchanges in Minnesota use an ampersand to separate the letter suffixes instead of a hyphen; for example, the interchange with I-90 north of Albert Lea is "EXITS 13A&B"  on I-35, which would appear as "EXITS 13A-B"  in most other states.

This is no longer actively the case as hyphens have replaced ampersands in most of these instances, with the majority of the ampersands that still exist being old center-aligned signs that have yet to be replaced, though there are a couple exceptions.
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: dgolub on August 28, 2021, 08:28:44 AM
There have been some US 1&9 shields in New Jersey, although US 1-9 is more common.
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: froggie on August 28, 2021, 08:38:52 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 28, 2021, 03:35:52 AM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on August 27, 2021, 06:49:17 PMIn addition, cloverleaf interchanges in Minnesota use an ampersand to separate the letter suffixes instead of a hyphen; for example, the interchange with I-90 north of Albert Lea is "EXITS 13A&B"  on I-35, which would appear as "EXITS 13A-B"  in most other states.

This is no longer actively the case as hyphens have replaced ampersands in most of these instances, with the majority of the ampersands that still exist being old center-aligned signs that have yet to be replaced, though there are a couple exceptions.

Noticed one such exception on I-35 in Owatonna today.

Then noticed another case where the advance guide signs for Exit 42 had been replaced with hyphens, but the gore sign still had an ampersand.

Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on August 28, 2021, 09:08:25 PM
Quote from: froggie on August 28, 2021, 08:38:52 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 28, 2021, 03:35:52 AM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on August 27, 2021, 06:49:17 PMIn addition, cloverleaf interchanges in Minnesota use an ampersand to separate the letter suffixes instead of a hyphen; for example, the interchange with I-90 north of Albert Lea is "EXITS 13A&B"  on I-35, which would appear as "EXITS 13A-B"  in most other states.

This is no longer actively the case as hyphens have replaced ampersands in most of these instances, with the majority of the ampersands that still exist being old center-aligned signs that have yet to be replaced, though there are a couple exceptions.

Noticed one such exception on I-35 in Owatonna today.

The other two exceptions that I am aware of are on I-694 eastbound approaching I-35W in New Brighton (part of the sign replacement for when they changed the EB lane drop from the I-35W South exit to I-35W North around 2006-2007).

I noticed one example on I-35W at 494 where a new exit tab with an ampersand was quickly switched out, around 2011-2012 in GSV.
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: CardInLex on August 29, 2021, 09:36:14 AM
Couldn't get Google to let me copy the Street View link but here is one in Lexington, KY

https://goo.gl/maps/HZ1qYBnxTQuaeYyi8
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: renegade on August 29, 2021, 02:10:21 PM
You mean this one here?

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0240727,-84.5563987,3a,15y,149.25h,92.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seZ-JqmEjQyJlr-UI2BBxMA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en-US
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: CardInLex on August 29, 2021, 04:59:49 PM
Quote from: renegade on August 29, 2021, 02:10:21 PM
You mean this one here?

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0240727,-84.5563987,3a,15y,149.25h,92.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seZ-JqmEjQyJlr-UI2BBxMA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en-US

Yes, thanks! Google Maps on iPad wouldn't let me share the streetview link. Thanks for the assist
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: renegade on August 29, 2021, 05:07:52 PM
Quote from: CardInLex on August 29, 2021, 04:59:49 PM
Quote from: renegade on August 29, 2021, 02:10:21 PM
You mean this one here?

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0240727,-84.5563987,3a,15y,149.25h,92.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seZ-JqmEjQyJlr-UI2BBxMA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en-US

Yes, thanks! Google Maps on iPad wouldn't let me share the streetview link. Thanks for the assist
My pleasure!   :cool:
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: amroad17 on August 30, 2021, 03:41:17 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 27, 2021, 08:24:39 PM
Exit tab for OH 126 "Exits 32B&C" (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2260862,-84.3725228,3a,46.4y,80.06h,92.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKzSF6p_OvJkUs_1SwBCufg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). This is the only example I can think of right now, as normally, the state uses dashes for suffixed exits.
Here is another one in the Cincinnati area on OH 129...
https://goo.gl/maps/YVZSNXgh5DorJZSx9

Because of the "potato" quality of early Google Street View images, the EXIT tab reads EXITS 25A&B. 

The Google car hasn't been on that stretch of OH 129 since 2008?!?  Incredibly, once you pan at the start of the bridge, the image is from 2 years ago.  :confused:
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: roadfro on August 31, 2021, 11:15:31 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 27, 2021, 08:32:50 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 27, 2021, 07:46:46 PM
^ That entire last line is bonkers. "Jct Routes" could be eliminated. Presumably US-50 (dash and all) could be as well, and then you could have a sign about half the width of that one.

Except the problem is that MoDOT specs say that "Route" must be prefixed on every route number, including Interstates, and that it must never be abbreviated, ever. So you get this funky "Route I-xx" construction that shows up whenever MoDOT has to refer to an interstate in text form.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Jct_Route_I-44.jpg)

Of course, KDOT (and most other states) would solve this problem by just signing it "(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/I-435.svg/25px-I-435.svg.png)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/I-470.svg/25px-I-470.svg.png)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/US_50.svg/20px-US_50.svg.png)".

Exactly what I was going to say. What an odd spec to have... Using the shields is so much clearer–even if it results in a slightly taller sign, there's less width so it likely balances out.

And to save some horizontal space in this instance, they could have at least used regular dashes instead of em dashes. I'm also not familiar enough to know whether for this example if the first three lines are all one exit or multiple exits very closely spaced. But if they were all one exit, they could have used the em dash to combine two road names to one line.

Quote from: plain on August 27, 2021, 09:19:28 PM
Quote from: froggie on August 27, 2021, 09:00:42 PM
Quote from: plain on August 27, 2021, 08:11:39 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 27, 2021, 07:46:46 PM
^ That entire last line is bonkers. "Jct Routes" could be eliminated. Presumably US-50 (dash and all) could be as well, and then you could have a sign about half the width of that one.

Also, I think that 2 could be moved to the right a bit.

Actually, if anything, the 2 should be moved to the left to line up with the fractions above (whole numbers left of fractions).

That makes sense but I don't recall actually seeing signs like that.

That's concerning. It's a MUTCD convention for the whole numbers to be aligned left of fractions on these interchange sequence signs. It's actually one of my pet peeves when I see a sign that doesn't follow the convention.
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: tylert120 on August 31, 2021, 07:24:17 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/yKwK7RsPH9oNmPHd6 (https://goo.gl/maps/yKwK7RsPH9oNmPHd6)
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: noelbotevera on August 31, 2021, 07:33:36 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 27, 2021, 07:10:54 PM
The reason why it's rare is because it's discouraged by the MUTCD:

Quote from: 2009 MUTCD, Chapter 2E
Periods, apostrophes, question marks, ampersands, or other punctuation or characters that are not letters, numerals, or hyphens should not be used in abbreviations, unless necessary to avoid confusion.

The solidus (slanted line or forward slash) is intended to be used for fractions only and should not be used to separate words on the same line of legend. Instead, a hyphen should be used for this purpose, such as "CARS — TRUCKS."

Amusingly, the example the MUTCD gives uses an en dash, not a hyphen, but whatever.
I'm actually curious why this is no bueno, especially since many place names were originally spelled with apostrophes and in some cases, tildes. Let's face it, Warriors Mark or Harpers Ferry is silly, especially since the latter's ferry was owned by a man named Harper...not Harpers.
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: hotdogPi on August 31, 2021, 07:34:25 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 31, 2021, 07:33:36 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 27, 2021, 07:10:54 PM
The reason why it's rare is because it's discouraged by the MUTCD:

Quote from: 2009 MUTCD, Chapter 2E
Periods, apostrophes, question marks, ampersands, or other punctuation or characters that are not letters, numerals, or hyphens should not be used in abbreviations, unless necessary to avoid confusion.

The solidus (slanted line or forward slash) is intended to be used for fractions only and should not be used to separate words on the same line of legend. Instead, a hyphen should be used for this purpose, such as "CARS — TRUCKS."

Amusingly, the example the MUTCD gives uses an en dash, not a hyphen, but whatever.
I'm actually curious why this is no bueno, especially since many place names were originally spelled with apostrophes and in some cases, tildes. Let's face it, Warriors Mark or Harpers Ferry is silly, especially since the latter's ferry was owned by a man named Harper...not Harpers.

Even worse: Fishs [various things].
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: kphoger on September 01, 2021, 09:58:29 AM
Of course, the apostrophe was allowed to remain for a small number of place names.  Granted, few of them have road signs.

See here (https://goo.gl/maps/EQYt9qZBXtnB3kyt6) but, then again, see here (https://goo.gl/maps/B6fneoag9fKcQTDHA).
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: Bruce on September 01, 2021, 04:40:17 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 01, 2021, 09:58:29 AM
Of course, the apostrophe was allowed to remain for a small number of place names.  Granted, few of them have road signs.

See here (https://goo.gl/maps/EQYt9qZBXtnB3kyt6) but, then again, see here (https://goo.gl/maps/B6fneoag9fKcQTDHA).

Most signs in the Spokane area pointing towards Coeur d'Alene use the apostrophe for obvious reasons. "Coeur dAlene" just looks awful.

(https://i.imgur.com/kORNHJu.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/I3Mxuo1.jpeg)
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: Mr_Northside on September 02, 2021, 08:35:31 AM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on August 27, 2021, 11:50:29 PM
I-70 East & West (and also I-81 East & West) near Hagerstown MD:
https://goo.gl/maps/QpvZ8RCxTbE4mBDP6

I-70 is set up like that for it's I-81 (the same) exit..... but I swear I remember old signs, maybe back in the 80s / early 90's that had some sort of symbol instead of an ampersand (but designed to mean the same thing).
But my mind might just be playing tricks on me.
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: RobbieL2415 on September 02, 2021, 12:17:55 PM
Quote from: formulanone on August 27, 2021, 07:18:48 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 27, 2021, 07:10:54 PM
(Maybe MoDOT should stop trying to cram four roads on one sign panel...)

Three's a stretch:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50403311307_0d19d72dd5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jMY9qK)
At that point, just use shields.
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: kphoger on September 02, 2021, 12:23:33 PM
Isn't the use of shields on mileage signs a relatively new thing?  As in, only in the last couple of decades?
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: Scott5114 on September 02, 2021, 04:35:40 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 02, 2021, 12:23:33 PM
Isn't the use of shields on mileage signs a relatively new thing?  As in, only in the last couple of decades?

I think it varies by state. Kansas has been using shields on mileage signs since at least the 1990s, if not earlier.

Missouri is just late on a lot of things–they were one of the last states to adopt rectangular shields for three-digit routes, for example.
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: kphoger on September 02, 2021, 04:44:36 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 02, 2021, 04:35:40 PM

Quote from: kphoger on September 02, 2021, 12:23:33 PM
Isn't the use of shields on mileage signs a relatively new thing?  As in, only in the last couple of decades?

I think it varies by state. Kansas has been using shields on mileage signs since at least the 1990s, if not earlier.

Missouri is just late on a lot of things–they were one of the last states to adopt rectangular shields for three-digit routes, for example.

I remember seeing shields on mileage signs in the 1990s, and being surprised because it seemed like a new practice.

So I think it's funny that we've gone from "not really a thing" to "why would any agency not do that" during the span of my driving career.
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: odditude on September 08, 2021, 01:06:03 AM
Here's an example (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9525423,-77.4294141,3a,75y,358.89h,104.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sr0T08g_h3W-lpapKy52JgQ!2e0!5s20161001T000000!7i13312!8i6656) of a Clearview ampersand (which has since been greened out (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9525632,-77.4293524,3a,75y,358.89h,104.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sknZTAC0fnjJSrNB6M0sSkw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)).
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: KCRoadFan on September 08, 2021, 07:26:59 AM
Quote from: Bruce on September 01, 2021, 04:40:17 PM
Quote from: kphoger on September 01, 2021, 09:58:29 AM
Of course, the apostrophe was allowed to remain for a small number of place names.  Granted, few of them have road signs.

See here (https://goo.gl/maps/EQYt9qZBXtnB3kyt6) but, then again, see here (https://goo.gl/maps/B6fneoag9fKcQTDHA).

Most signs in the Spokane area pointing towards Coeur d'Alene use the apostrophe for obvious reasons. "Coeur dAlene" just looks awful.

(https://i.imgur.com/kORNHJu.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/I3Mxuo1.jpeg)

As for the second photo (the one with the Sandpoint sign) - what's up with that font?
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: vdeane on September 08, 2021, 12:49:23 PM
Looks like a classic case of the 3/4 error (which happens based on a misinterpretation of the MUTCD where people don't realize that the font file already sizes the lower-case letters appropriately and scale them down even further).
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: KCRoadFan on September 07, 2022, 08:01:49 PM
Update: "Lucas & Hunt Road"  is now "Lucas-Hunt Road"  on the signs. When I drove through the area a couple weeks ago, I saw that MoDOT put small green squares with hyphens over the ampersands.
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: skluth on September 08, 2022, 12:46:21 PM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on September 07, 2022, 08:01:49 PM
Update: "Lucas & Hunt Road"  is now "Lucas-Hunt Road"  on the signs. When I drove through the area a couple weeks ago, I saw that MoDOT put small green squares with hyphens over the ampersands.

That's just stupid. Everybody in St Louis knows it as Lucas & Hunt, not Lucas-Hunt or even Lucas and Hunt.
Title: Re: Ampersand (&) on freeway exit signs
Post by: JustDrive on September 09, 2022, 02:38:19 AM
https://maps.app.goo.gl/VbaeoTc6ohL1ZA8B7?g_st=ic

NB 805 in Chula Vista has this sign, because E Street and Bonita Road (the same continuous street) shares an off ramp with H Street