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Title: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: MikieTimT on October 19, 2021, 09:14:26 AM
They have come up with the preferred alternative for a freeway access to XNA to the Springdale Bypass (AR-612).

https://xnaaccess.transportationplanroom.com/ (https://xnaaccess.transportationplanroom.com/)
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: edwaleni on October 19, 2021, 11:40:34 AM
Quote from: MikieTimT on October 19, 2021, 09:14:26 AM
They have come up with the preferred alternative for a freeway access to XNA to the Springdale Bypass (AR-612).

https://xnaaccess.transportationplanroom.com/ (https://xnaaccess.transportationplanroom.com/)

I am surprised they didn't show the planned ROW for the Springdale Bypass all the way to US-412 near Tontitown.

Thanks for posting this!
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: SkyPesos on October 19, 2021, 01:04:29 PM
Will this connect to the proposed Enid-Tulsa-Springdale interstate at one end?
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: MikieTimT on October 19, 2021, 02:27:07 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 19, 2021, 01:04:29 PM
Will this connect to the proposed Enid-Tulsa-Springdale interstate at one end?

Yes.  At the point it makes the bend southward to connect to the existing divided highway west of Tontitown.  Who knows how they do limited access for that part at this point, but at least it'll be connected to something that isn't a twisty 2-lane.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: MikieTimT on October 19, 2021, 02:29:24 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on October 19, 2021, 11:40:34 AM
Quote from: MikieTimT on October 19, 2021, 09:14:26 AM
They have come up with the preferred alternative for a freeway access to XNA to the Springdale Bypass (AR-612).

https://xnaaccess.transportationplanroom.com/ (https://xnaaccess.transportationplanroom.com/)

I am surprised they didn't show the planned ROW for the Springdale Bypass all the way to US-412 near Tontitown.

Thanks for posting this!

You're welcome!  The planned ROW for the western segment of AR-612 pretty much continues straight south until almost to US-412, where it bends westerly toward the old AR-68 intersection to tie into the existing divided US-412.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: The Ghostbuster on October 19, 2021, 05:19:39 PM
Maybe this Access Road could be numbered AR 512, since it will directly connect with AR 612 (future US 412), and the AR 112 and 312 designations are already in existence.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: SkyPesos on October 19, 2021, 05:31:49 PM
I-548  :-D
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: MikieTimT on October 19, 2021, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 19, 2021, 05:19:39 PM
Maybe this Access Road could be numbered AR 512, since it will directly connect with AR 612 (future US 412), and the AR 112 and 312 designations are already in existence.

It probably depends on how it fits in with the North-South Connector they are studying for connecting the bend in the Bella Vista Bypass that just completed with AR-612.
https://wnsconnector.blob.core.windows.net/uploads/e02e8979-341e-45c9-b4f2-363bc8f033f2-20210829_WNS_VPM_Presentation.pdf (https://wnsconnector.blob.core.windows.net/uploads/e02e8979-341e-45c9-b4f2-363bc8f033f2-20210829_WNS_VPM_Presentation.pdf)

If they run it on the east side of XNA along Regional Ave., then it ties right into the bends in both bypasses and becomes part of the larger N/S connection.  If it turns out to just go from the bend in AR-612 to the end of Regional Ave., then if it's like most state maintained airport accesses in AR, it'll be AR-980.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: Road Hog on October 19, 2021, 08:37:41 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on October 19, 2021, 05:31:49 PM
I-548  :-D
I-Airport 980.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: I-39 on October 19, 2021, 09:50:33 PM
Quote from: MikieTimT on October 19, 2021, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 19, 2021, 05:19:39 PM
Maybe this Access Road could be numbered AR 512, since it will directly connect with AR 612 (future US 412), and the AR 112 and 312 designations are already in existence.

It probably depends on how it fits in with the North-South Connector they are studying for connecting the bend in the Bella Vista Bypass that just completed with AR-612.
https://wnsconnector.blob.core.windows.net/uploads/e02e8979-341e-45c9-b4f2-363bc8f033f2-20210829_WNS_VPM_Presentation.pdf (https://wnsconnector.blob.core.windows.net/uploads/e02e8979-341e-45c9-b4f2-363bc8f033f2-20210829_WNS_VPM_Presentation.pdf)

If they run it on the east side of XNA along Regional Ave., then it ties right into the bends in both bypasses and becomes part of the larger N/S connection.  If it turns out to just go from the bend in AR-612 to the end of Regional Ave., then if it's like most state maintained airport accesses in AR, it'll be AR-980.

Why do they need a N/S highway from the Bella Vista bypass to US 412?
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: mvak36 on October 20, 2021, 12:03:39 AM
Quote from: MikieTimT on October 19, 2021, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 19, 2021, 05:19:39 PM
Maybe this Access Road could be numbered AR 512, since it will directly connect with AR 612 (future US 412), and the AR 112 and 312 designations are already in existence.

It probably depends on how it fits in with the North-South Connector they are studying for connecting the bend in the Bella Vista Bypass that just completed with AR-612.
https://wnsconnector.blob.core.windows.net/uploads/e02e8979-341e-45c9-b4f2-363bc8f033f2-20210829_WNS_VPM_Presentation.pdf (https://wnsconnector.blob.core.windows.net/uploads/e02e8979-341e-45c9-b4f2-363bc8f033f2-20210829_WNS_VPM_Presentation.pdf)

If they run it on the east side of XNA along Regional Ave., then it ties right into the bends in both bypasses and becomes part of the larger N/S connection.  If it turns out to just go from the bend in AR-612 to the end of Regional Ave., then if it's like most state maintained airport accesses in AR, it'll be AR-980.

Thanks for mentioning the N/S connector. I'd forgotten about that. Depending on if they build it as a freeway and whatever alignment they choose, I think they should number it as a 3di of the the Tulsa-NWA interstate. If they choose the Pink Alternative (#2) then the airport connector and the N/S connector could probably be one 3di. If they choose the green one (Alternative 3), then they can have two 3di's.

FWIW I like that I-50 number (and your I-50 Arkansas shield) for that Tulsa-NWA route.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: MikieTimT on October 20, 2021, 01:32:56 PM
Quote from: mvak36 on October 20, 2021, 12:03:39 AM
Quote from: MikieTimT on October 19, 2021, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 19, 2021, 05:19:39 PM
Maybe this Access Road could be numbered AR 512, since it will directly connect with AR 612 (future US 412), and the AR 112 and 312 designations are already in existence.

It probably depends on how it fits in with the North-South Connector they are studying for connecting the bend in the Bella Vista Bypass that just completed with AR-612.
https://wnsconnector.blob.core.windows.net/uploads/e02e8979-341e-45c9-b4f2-363bc8f033f2-20210829_WNS_VPM_Presentation.pdf (https://wnsconnector.blob.core.windows.net/uploads/e02e8979-341e-45c9-b4f2-363bc8f033f2-20210829_WNS_VPM_Presentation.pdf)

If they run it on the east side of XNA along Regional Ave., then it ties right into the bends in both bypasses and becomes part of the larger N/S connection.  If it turns out to just go from the bend in AR-612 to the end of Regional Ave., then if it's like most state maintained airport accesses in AR, it'll be AR-980.

Thanks for mentioning the N/S connector. I'd forgotten about that. Depending on if they build it as a freeway and whatever alignment they choose, I think they should number it as a 3di of the the Tulsa-NWA interstate. If they choose the Pink Alternative (#2) then the airport connector and the N/S connector could probably be one 3di. If they choose the green one (Alternative 3), then they can have two 3di's.

FWIW I like that I-50 number (and your I-50 Arkansas shield) for that Tulsa-NWA route.

The Pink Alignment (#2) on the N/S Connector in conjunction with this access road just screams the northern 1/2 of the NWA Western Beltway that was studied a decade ago (http://www.nwarpc.org/pdf/Federal%20Review/Western_Beltway_FinalReport.pdf (http://www.nwarpc.org/pdf/Federal%20Review/Western_Beltway_FinalReport.pdf)).  Most of the cities in NWA regardless of size annexed property in that direction as Beaver Lake/White River limits growth somewhat on the eastern side of the area except along and past the river/lake crossings on the E/W corridors.  The growth estimates of that study a decade ago were pretty accurate, and the growth shows no signs of slowing.

Thanks for the appreciation for the shield.  I can't think of any more fitting initial location for an I-50 as there really aren't any other HPC's that run for a longer distance that would warrant priority in my eyes.  Besides, there's plenty of room between US-412 and I-70 up in Missouri for an eventual I-60.  I think states have long gotten past the whole "can't have an Interstate number conflict with a US/State number" mentality in most DOTs.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: MikieTimT on February 03, 2025, 02:00:20 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 19, 2021, 05:19:39 PMMaybe this Access Road could be numbered AR 512, since it will directly connect with AR 612 (future US 412), and the AR 112 and 312 designations are already in existence.

The Highways 59 & 72 Corridor Study Western North-South Connector Study (https://ardot-hwy-59-hwy-72-corridor-study-202501-en-ardot.hub.arcgis.com/) has a slide that has what is the first designation that I've seen for the XNA Connector to the Springdale Northern Bypass: AR-642 (https://ardot.gov/wp-content/uploads/CombinedHighway_59_MO_WesternNorthSouthConnector_Jobs.pdf)

So, it sounds like they're really going to be pushing for I-42 between Springdale and I-35.

Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: Plutonic Panda on February 28, 2025, 12:16:43 AM
Update: https://www.constructionequipmentguide.com/arkansas-connector-links-xna-springdale-bypass/67321
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: MikieTimT on February 28, 2025, 10:56:03 AM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on February 28, 2025, 12:16:43 AMUpdate: https://www.constructionequipmentguide.com/arkansas-connector-links-xna-springdale-bypass/67321

Interesting article and timely update, even if they butchered at least one of the road designations.  AR-612S would make sense, but I've seen ARDOT docs showing it as AR-642, which makes sense if AR-612 becomes I-42.  And the AR-624 is actually AR-264.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: The Ghostbuster on February 28, 2025, 11:52:41 AM
Google Maps has been updated to show construction of the western-most leg of the Springdale Northern Bypass and the southern extension of Airport Blvd. aka the XNA Access Road: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2204843,-94.2959685,10388m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIyNi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: edwaleni on February 28, 2025, 11:54:49 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 28, 2025, 11:52:41 AMGoogle Maps has been updated to show construction of the western-most leg of the Springdale Northern Bypass and the southern extension of Airport Blvd. aka the XNA Access Road: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2204843,-94.2959685,10388m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIyNi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D.

You beat me to it.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: Wayward Memphian on March 02, 2025, 10:41:44 PM
All I know is the situation at peak hours on I-49 are becoming untenable.

I witnessed an ASP Trooper pull over a speeder and it caused a two mile back up with all lanes coming to a complete stop at times. Just for a traffic stop.
Every on ramp causes a backup til Elm Springs. Flip the script for the morning hours. Walked Marts hasn't even got their new campus done when it's mandated all be back in the office which will make matters worse. NWA growth is far outpacing to ability to keep up.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: MikieTimT on March 03, 2025, 11:17:04 AM
Quote from: Wayward Memphian on March 02, 2025, 10:41:44 PMAll I know is the situation at peak hours on I-49 are becoming untenable.

I witnessed an ASP Trooper pull over a speeder and it caused a two mile back up with all lanes coming to a complete stop at times. Just for a traffic stop.
Every on ramp causes a backup til Elm Springs. Flip the script for the morning hours. Walked Marts hasn't even got their new campus done when it's mandated all be back in the office which will make matters worse. NWA growth is far outpacing to ability to keep up.

That's why I either bypass it with AR-112, or schedule my Benton County jobs off-peak to avoid I-49.  I anticipate we'll be revisiting in about 15 years the NWA Western Beltway (https://www.nwarpc.org/pdf/Western%20Beltway/Western_Beltway_FinalReport.pdf) alternative that wasn't taken back when they did the 6 laning instead, that's now due for an 8 lane upgrade already.  I'd pretty much guarantee that this AR-642 XNA Connector will tie into that once started.  The population estimates that they arrived at for 2025 back in 2011 with that study have been exceeded by a good margin as growth accelerates.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: armadillo speedbump on March 03, 2025, 01:46:16 PM
Quote from: MikieTimT on March 03, 2025, 11:17:04 AMThat's why I either bypass it with AR-112, or schedule my Benton County jobs off-peak to avoid I-49.  I anticipate we'll be revisiting in about 15 years the NWA Western Beltway (https://www.nwarpc.org/pdf/Western%20Beltway/Western_Beltway_FinalReport.pdf) alternative that wasn't taken back when they did the 6 laning instead, that's now due for an 8 lane upgrade already.  I'd pretty much guarantee that this AR-642 XNA Connector will tie into that once started.  The population estimates that they arrived at for 2025 back in 2011 with that study have been exceeded by a good margin as growth accelerates.

Love how the "Freight Flows through the Central United States" map on document p.58 (or p.63 of 108 in pdf) has more truck traffic routing through the stoplights of Fayetteville city, Elkins, and the 2-lane, curvy, mountainous Pig Trail to Ozark than the all interstate I-49 to I-40.  That is a few miles shorter than the interstates but almost 30 minutes longer.  Just another example of the frequent sloppiness and inaccuracies of FHWA maps through the years.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: Rothman on March 03, 2025, 09:51:08 PM
Quote from: armadillo speedbump on March 03, 2025, 01:46:16 PM
Quote from: MikieTimT on March 03, 2025, 11:17:04 AMThat's why I either bypass it with AR-112, or schedule my Benton County jobs off-peak to avoid I-49.  I anticipate we'll be revisiting in about 15 years the NWA Western Beltway (https://www.nwarpc.org/pdf/Western%20Beltway/Western_Beltway_FinalReport.pdf) alternative that wasn't taken back when they did the 6 laning instead, that's now due for an 8 lane upgrade already.  I'd pretty much guarantee that this AR-642 XNA Connector will tie into that once started.  The population estimates that they arrived at for 2025 back in 2011 with that study have been exceeded by a good margin as growth accelerates.

Love how the "Freight Flows through the Central United States" map on document p.58 (or p.63 of 108 in pdf) has more truck traffic routing through the stoplights of Fayetteville city, Elkins, and the 2-lane, curvy, mountainous Pig Trail to Ozark than the all interstate I-49 to I-40.  That is a few miles shorter than the interstates but almost 30 minutes longer.  Just another example of the frequent sloppiness and inaccuracies of FHWA maps through the years.

That map was widely used and circulated.  Believe that's when Cambridge Systematics deemed the Williamsville Toll Barrier on the NY Thruway as the biggest freight bottleneck in the country and they were understandably laughed out of the room.  Have no idea why whoever was paying them let them actually publish it.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: Wayward Memphian on March 06, 2025, 04:10:27 AM
Quote from: armadillo speedbump on March 03, 2025, 01:46:16 PM
Quote from: MikieTimT on March 03, 2025, 11:17:04 AMThat's why I either bypass it with AR-112, or schedule my Benton County jobs off-peak to avoid I-49.  I anticipate we'll be revisiting in about 15 years the NWA Western Beltway (https://www.nwarpc.org/pdf/Western%20Beltway/Western_Beltway_FinalReport.pdf) alternative that wasn't taken back when they did the 6 laning instead, that's now due for an 8 lane upgrade already.  I'd pretty much guarantee that this AR-642 XNA Connector will tie into that once started.  The population estimates that they arrived at for 2025 back in 2011 with that study have been exceeded by a good margin as growth accelerates.

Love how the "Freight Flows through the Central United States" map on document p.58 (or p.63 of 108 in pdf) has more truck traffic routing through the stoplights of Fayetteville city, Elkins, and the 2-lane, curvy, mountainous Pig Trail to Ozark than the all interstate I-49 to I-40.  That is a few miles shorter than the interstates but almost 30 minutes longer.  Just another example of the frequent sloppiness and inaccuracies of FHWA maps through the years.

There's quite an issue with trucks being sent through Boxley Valley and running off the damn road.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: edwaleni on March 06, 2025, 09:34:39 PM
Construction is clearly visible from Tontitown on the south end, to XNA on the north end. The connection to the existing route appears to be completed last.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54369178972_498fbc07f8_b.jpg)
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: I-55 on March 07, 2025, 12:09:22 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on March 06, 2025, 09:34:39 PMConstruction is clearly visible from Tontitown on the south end, to XNA on the north end. The connection to the existing route appears to be completed last.

The satellite image panel ends right where the AR-612/XNA Access interchange would be, clearly cutting off the construction progress, so it's probably also under construction to be completed at the same time.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: edwaleni on March 07, 2025, 11:00:12 AM
The work on the new overpass at Tontitown is well underway.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54371421380_6be95199f8_b.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54371243269_47d8cc8a72_b.jpg)
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: The Ghostbuster on March 07, 2025, 01:38:22 PM
Here's what it looks like at the north end of the construction project: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2573039,-94.2927454,3a,75y,159.36h,80.7t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sxkNE5o0GwymlpB8NCjm8hw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D9.299138836431226%26panoid%3DxkNE5o0GwymlpB8NCjm8hw%26yaw%3D159.35802069973357!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDMwNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: Wayward Memphian on March 10, 2025, 12:00:42 PM
Sidenote on XNA. Enplanements continue to grow year over year by double digits. It got a louge that is tiny but services the high end travel credit card holders. It was tiny because it's not that much space in the current airside terminal. I imagine gate expansion fixes that. Theyxhavmve been hush hush on new gates recently but they wanted over 20 before covid hit
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: MikieTimT on March 13, 2025, 08:08:33 AM
Quote from: I-55 on March 07, 2025, 12:09:22 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on March 06, 2025, 09:34:39 PMConstruction is clearly visible from Tontitown on the south end, to XNA on the north end. The connection to the existing route appears to be completed last.

The satellite image panel ends right where the AR-612/XNA Access interchange would be, clearly cutting off the construction progress, so it's probably also under construction to be completed at the same time.

It is.  I drive by it a couple of times a week.  Nice 45MPH construction zone speed limit that starts slowing down eastbound pretty much as soon as you cross the Wildcat Creek bridge.  They have girders across the new westbound US-412 overpass already, so moving along nicely at the south end.  Next time I take AR-112 northbound to Bentonville, I'll check on the progress at the north end.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: Road Hog on March 13, 2025, 08:20:16 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on March 07, 2025, 11:00:12 AMThe work on the new overpass at Tontitown is well underway.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54371421380_6be95199f8_b.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54371243269_47d8cc8a72_b.jpg)

Didn't realize there was so much red clay in NWA. If it was a "Guess the State" photo I would've guessed Georgia.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: MikieTimT on March 17, 2025, 10:12:55 AM
Quote from: Road Hog on March 13, 2025, 08:20:16 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on March 07, 2025, 11:00:12 AMThe work on the new overpass at Tontitown is well underway.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54371421380_6be95199f8_b.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54371243269_47d8cc8a72_b.jpg)

Didn't realize there was so much red clay in NWA. If it was a "Guess the State" photo I would've guessed Georgia.

Our red dirt has got clay in it, but it's also got lot of chunky limestone in it (chert).  Makes for a good base for housing and roads.  If you look at the satellite view of Google Maps in NWA, especially Benton County, you'll see craploads of it as there's construction pretty much everywhere with the continued explosive growth.  I have the privilege of being surrounded by red dirt mines here in Wedington Woods despite our pushback on them in Quorum Court meetings since we were here first.  Not much in the way of peace here in the woods these days with the sounds of excavators and hundreds of dump trucks echoing through the hollows.  They are so close to us that you can see 2 different mines even before leaving Wedington Woods since the trees don't have leaves yet.  Probably won't be living here in 10 years at this rate as Fayetteville will have surrounded us by then.  I enjoy having bonfires in my yard and not having to get a permit from Fayetteville to cut down a single tree on my property.  Good luck stopping me from target practice, though.
Title: Re: XNA Access Road Public Meeting
Post by: MikieTimT on April 09, 2025, 10:20:34 AM
Pretty good progress on the north end of the XNA Connector Road.  Got dirtwork mostly done up to the intersection with AR-264 and the end of the current XNA access road.  Heavy rains last week undoubtedly shut everything down for several days, though, and they'll have to fix washouts along the berms.