Poll
Question:
Should Georgia bring back the cantilevered signs?
Option 1: Yes
votes: 10
Option 2: No
votes: 1
I feel like GDOT is just wasting extra money on installing full gantries with just one sign as opposed to cantilevered signs which save construction costs. I feel like the full gantries should only be used if there is 2 or more signs on the gantry...
NCDOT even installed two signs on a cantilevered sign!
John P East Memorial Hwy
https://maps.app.goo.gl/WjsuW91Ce3Bt4N1S9
I feel like this (https://maps.app.goo.gl/3hZEE7iTnicU9dWS6) is overpowered.
This is General Highway talk because why?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 28, 2021, 11:38:34 PM
This is General Highway talk because why?
Because I feel like it's extra stuff that's unnecessary...
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 28, 2021, 11:49:26 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 28, 2021, 11:38:34 PM
This is General Highway talk because why?
Because I feel like it's extra stuff that's unnecessary...
Okay, why should anyone outside the Southeast board give a shit about what Georgia does?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 28, 2021, 11:55:17 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 28, 2021, 11:49:26 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 28, 2021, 11:38:34 PM
This is General Highway talk because why?
Because I feel like it's extra stuff that's unnecessary...
Okay, why should anyone outside the Southeast board give a shit about what Georgia does?
Because I just wanted to ask this question for the Georgia roadgeeks but I feel like some roadgeeks outside of Georgia WILL wonder why Georgia uses full gantries instead of cantilever ones...
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 28, 2021, 11:59:08 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 28, 2021, 11:55:17 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 28, 2021, 11:49:26 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 28, 2021, 11:38:34 PM
This is General Highway talk because why?
Because I feel like it's extra stuff that's unnecessary...
Okay, why should anyone outside the Southeast board give a shit about what Georgia does?
Because I just wanted to ask this question for the Georgia roadgeeks but I feel like some roadgeeks outside of Georgia WILL wonder why Georgia uses full gantries instead of cantilever ones...
Someone wasn't listening I see:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29865.0
In case you've forgotten, that's on you because you wanted to play peekaboo. But who am I, continue to pad your post count with misplaced fluff.
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 28, 2021, 10:35:03 PM
NCDOT even installed two signs on a cantilevered sign!
John P East Memorial Hwy
https://maps.app.goo.gl/WjsuW91Ce3Bt4N1S9
This is pretty rare in a lot of other states. At least for the ones I've lived in (OH, MO, IN), two or more signs require a full length gantry.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 29, 2021, 12:02:10 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 28, 2021, 11:59:08 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 28, 2021, 11:55:17 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 28, 2021, 11:49:26 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 28, 2021, 11:38:34 PM
This is General Highway talk because why?
Because I feel like it's extra stuff that's unnecessary...
Okay, why should anyone outside the Southeast board give a shit about what Georgia does?
Because I just wanted to ask this question for the Georgia roadgeeks but I feel like some roadgeeks outside of Georgia WILL wonder why Georgia uses full gantries instead of cantilever ones...
Someone wasn't listening I see:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29865.0
Probably because this (I mentioned it in your linked thread):
QuoteAlso, is it a coincidence that tolbs17 haven't logged on the forum since this thread was posted? Considering he's one of the few names that I had in mind reading it.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 29, 2021, 12:02:10 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 28, 2021, 11:59:08 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 28, 2021, 11:55:17 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 28, 2021, 11:49:26 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 28, 2021, 11:38:34 PM
This is General Highway talk because why?
Because I feel like it's extra stuff that's unnecessary...
Okay, why should anyone outside the Southeast board give a shit about what Georgia does?
Because I just wanted to ask this question for the Georgia roadgeeks but I feel like some roadgeeks outside of Georgia WILL wonder why Georgia uses full gantries instead of cantilever ones...
Someone wasn't listening I see:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29865.0
In case you've forgotten, that's on you because you wanted to play peekaboo. But who am I, continue to pad your post count with misplaced fluff.
So, this thread lacks reasonable content compared to the driving test thread that i made?
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 29, 2021, 12:09:52 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 29, 2021, 12:02:10 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 28, 2021, 11:59:08 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 28, 2021, 11:55:17 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 28, 2021, 11:49:26 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 28, 2021, 11:38:34 PM
This is General Highway talk because why?
Because I feel like it's extra stuff that's unnecessary...
Okay, why should anyone outside the Southeast board give a shit about what Georgia does?
Because I just wanted to ask this question for the Georgia roadgeeks but I feel like some roadgeeks outside of Georgia WILL wonder why Georgia uses full gantries instead of cantilever ones...
Someone wasn't listening I see:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29865.0
In case you've forgotten, that's on you because you wanted to play peekaboo. But who am I, continue to pad your post count with misplaced fluff.
So, this thread lacks reasonable content compared to the driving test thread that i made?
I don't know ask the site Admin:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=100.msg2691877#msg2691877
Maybe do something substantial with your posts for once and get them in the correct boards. Anyone can grab a vanilla image from Google, it doesn't make it noteworthy.
Note: If you guys don't like this thread or think that it's too focused on Georgia, then I can start a new one saying "Are full gantry or cantilever signs better to use to mount a single sign on?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 29, 2021, 12:15:35 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 29, 2021, 12:09:52 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 29, 2021, 12:02:10 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 28, 2021, 11:59:08 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 28, 2021, 11:55:17 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 28, 2021, 11:49:26 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 28, 2021, 11:38:34 PM
This is General Highway talk because why?
Because I feel like it's extra stuff that's unnecessary...
Okay, why should anyone outside the Southeast board give a shit about what Georgia does?
Because I just wanted to ask this question for the Georgia roadgeeks but I feel like some roadgeeks outside of Georgia WILL wonder why Georgia uses full gantries instead of cantilever ones...
Someone wasn't listening I see:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=29865.0
In case you've forgotten, that's on you because you wanted to play peekaboo. But who am I, continue to pad your post count with misplaced fluff.
So, this thread lacks reasonable content compared to the driving test thread that i made?
I don't know ask the site Admin:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=100.msg2691877#msg2691877
Maybe do something substantial with your posts for once and get them in the correct boards. Anyone can grab a vanilla image from Google, it doesn't make it noteworthy.
Unless you think that this thread should be moved to the Southeast board.
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 29, 2021, 12:17:22 AM
Note: If you guys don't like this thread or think that it's too focused on Georgia, then I can start a new one saying "Are full gantry or cantilever signs better to use to mount a single sign on?
I feel compelled to ask, is there not something better to be doing at 12:21 AM?
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 29, 2021, 12:21:35 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 29, 2021, 12:17:22 AM
Note: If you guys don't like this thread or think that it's too focused on Georgia, then I can start a new one saying "Are full gantry or cantilever signs better to use to mount a single sign on?
I feel compelled to ask, is there not something better to be doing at 12:21 AM?
Alright, goodnight.
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 29, 2021, 12:17:22 AM
Note: If you guys don't like this thread or think that it's too focused on Georgia, then I can start a new one saying "Are full gantry or cantilever signs better to use to mount a single sign on?
We went through this in your "strange overhead signs" thread already. I vividly remember this little chain of quotes there:
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 18, 2021, 11:45:34 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on March 18, 2021, 11:17:47 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 18, 2021, 09:25:26 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5831848,-80.5513805,3a,67.8y,225.34h,98.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slnjyzTJe-roByrwrXQPDUA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) one looks like they wasted money on using a full gantry to just hang one sign on that.
ODOT (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.286712,-84.324349,3a,79.7y,40.69h,89.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slGKWKxAhJgD8fBPKUh7Q9Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)is so (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1921004,-84.3870678,3a,26y,43.05h,92.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXIWia2KDGiuyEqh5RpSc9Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) good at (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1712137,-84.4031407,3a,59.2y,243.64h,88.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1YMVDgvuaehOBXhrnATzWQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) doing (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1437118,-84.4743218,3a,75y,278.86h,85.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sj7ZGFqJdscjhxcbPmuu5JQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) that (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3209523,-84.2883361,3a,74.9y,20.65h,90.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szHfkNEjyIcg0o5KOwDURZg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Your ODOT needs to get on (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5708641,-97.5140158,3a,75y,179.06h,83.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPvZ2X8sSHCffnRv5WmrcsQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) my ODOT's (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5860981,-97.513599,3a,60y,196.81h,84.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUEyfMl0QhRXQEsQ1V4F0oQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) level (http://www.okhighways.com/041103/us77sgantry.JPG).
Could continue the discussion there.
Quote from: SkyPesos on December 29, 2021, 12:52:26 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 29, 2021, 12:17:22 AM
Note: If you guys don't like this thread or think that it's too focused on Georgia, then I can start a new one saying "Are full gantry or cantilever signs better to use to mount a single sign on?
We went through this in your "strange overhead signs" thread already. I vividly remember this little chain of quotes there:
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 18, 2021, 11:45:34 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on March 18, 2021, 11:17:47 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 18, 2021, 09:25:26 PM
This (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5831848,-80.5513805,3a,67.8y,225.34h,98.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slnjyzTJe-roByrwrXQPDUA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) one looks like they wasted money on using a full gantry to just hang one sign on that.
ODOT (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.286712,-84.324349,3a,79.7y,40.69h,89.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slGKWKxAhJgD8fBPKUh7Q9Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)is so (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1921004,-84.3870678,3a,26y,43.05h,92.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXIWia2KDGiuyEqh5RpSc9Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) good at (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1712137,-84.4031407,3a,59.2y,243.64h,88.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1YMVDgvuaehOBXhrnATzWQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) doing (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1437118,-84.4743218,3a,75y,278.86h,85.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sj7ZGFqJdscjhxcbPmuu5JQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) that (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3209523,-84.2883361,3a,74.9y,20.65h,90.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szHfkNEjyIcg0o5KOwDURZg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Your ODOT needs to get on (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5708641,-97.5140158,3a,75y,179.06h,83.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPvZ2X8sSHCffnRv5WmrcsQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) my ODOT's (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.5860981,-97.513599,3a,60y,196.81h,84.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUEyfMl0QhRXQEsQ1V4F0oQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) level (http://www.okhighways.com/041103/us77sgantry.JPG).
Could continue the discussion there.
I forgot about that post...Unless we should merge the on-topic posts to that thread and delete the off-topic ones.
Another reason why I made this thread because I don't find the overhead signs "strange". I just find the full gantries that Georgia uses a little overpowered for a single sign to be mounted on.
You don't sleep, study for school, do homework, work at a job, call a significant other or anything more productive in the middle of the night? All this for boring Google Map images of freeway signage gantries?...why? This literally the most boring road related item someone could post about (posted on the wrong board no less) and isn't an actual image taken by a user.
If Alex isn't going break through to you, I don't know why I'm bothering to try.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 29, 2021, 01:10:32 AM
You don't sleep, study for school, do homework, work at a job, call a significant other or anything more productive in the middle of the night? All this for boring Google Map images of freeway signage gantries?...why?
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/029/191/cover6.jpg)
NCDOT does the opposite of what Georgia does because look at all these cantilevered signs on the I-95 widening project. NCDOT tries not to use full gantry signs unless they are for large signs. Plus this is a fairly rural area so there's no need for a big gantry here. Two cantilevers will work just fine.
link (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2742684,-78.6149127,3a,15y,209.9h,92.25t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1snnGml0P98zaswAf8tco8eg!2e0!5s20211201T000000!7i16384!8i8192)
an interesting cantilevered sign in Georgia (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6855446,44.8627744,3a,42.7y,110.52h,94.16t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAF1QipNdHNhqZBjuAI9dze0NK0YU4PP2SHPCukVdT7LU!2e10!3e11!7i10560!8i5280)
Tennessee will occasionally post two signs on one cantilevered overhead. There's one in Kentucky near the end of the Purchase Parkway that's very obviously a TDOT installation due to the fact that it's not one of our classic "erector sets."
https://goo.gl/maps/kupwt54gywCNi1kCA
Here's one on US 23 southbound right at the VA/TN line.
https://goo.gl/maps/9DFPMT6mh56AYDZZA
If weight and wind loading are favorable, I'm all for using one support post instead of two if it saves money. Far too often, we get hung up on aesthetics over functionality.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 03, 2022, 09:33:22 PM
Tennessee will occasionally post two signs on one cantilevered overhead. There's one in Kentucky near the end of the Purchase Parkway that's very obviously a TDOT installation due to the fact that it's not one of our classic "erector sets."
https://goo.gl/maps/kupwt54gywCNi1kCA
Here's one on US 23 southbound right at the VA/TN line.
https://goo.gl/maps/9DFPMT6mh56AYDZZA
If weight and wind loading are favorable, I'm all for using one support post instead of two if it saves money. Far too often, we get hung up on aesthetics over functionality.
Back in the 00's sometime, there was a cantilever gantry with two signs over a very busy I-65 south at Cool Springs Blvd that fell onto the roadway after a bad storm. If a gantry is gonna fall, that's not the stretch of road to have one fall on!
After this happened, TDOT investigated, and identified bolts in the anchoring foundation with the threads sheared off. They must have felt like the weight of two large signs caused the bolt thread failure and identified a few other cantilever gantries with two signs and promptly had them replaced with full gantries. Now TDOT's policy is to use full gantries with two or more signs, but they will still use cantilever gantries for single signs.
SCDOT, on the other hand, definitely still prefers cantilever gantries for two signs, and has put up several new ones in recent memory. Although the outside sign is almost always a small white TRUCKS OVER SIX WHEELS USE TWO RIGHT LANES regulatory sign.
Quote from: wriddle082 on January 04, 2022, 04:03:40 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 03, 2022, 09:33:22 PM
Tennessee will occasionally post two signs on one cantilevered overhead. There's one in Kentucky near the end of the Purchase Parkway that's very obviously a TDOT installation due to the fact that it's not one of our classic "erector sets."
https://goo.gl/maps/kupwt54gywCNi1kCA
Here's one on US 23 southbound right at the VA/TN line.
https://goo.gl/maps/9DFPMT6mh56AYDZZA
If weight and wind loading are favorable, I'm all for using one support post instead of two if it saves money. Far too often, we get hung up on aesthetics over functionality.
Back in the 00's sometime, there was a cantilever gantry with two signs over a very busy I-65 south at Cool Springs Blvd that fell onto the roadway after a bad storm. If a gantry is gonna fall, that's not the stretch of road to have one fall on!
After this happened, TDOT investigated, and identified bolts in the anchoring foundation with the threads sheared off. They must have felt like the weight of two large signs caused the bolt thread failure and identified a few other cantilever gantries with two signs and promptly had them replaced with full gantries. Now TDOT's policy is to use full gantries with two or more signs, but they will still use cantilever gantries for single signs.
SCDOT, on the other hand, definitely still prefers cantilever gantries for two signs, and has put up several new ones in recent memory. Although the outside sign is almost always a small white TRUCKS OVER SIX WHEELS USE TWO RIGHT LANES regulatory sign.
The sign fell on someone and killed her.
There's not really a need for Georgia to bring back cantilever signs. I've heard that some countries in Europe don't use cantilever signs either (they only use sign bridges or side-mounted signs).
I am aware that there are other Georgians on here that see nothing wrong with the use of cantilever signs.
The thing that Georgia does that I wish more states would do is, on freeways with 2 or 3 lanes in one direction, instead of a cantilever they simply mount signs on the side but at overhead height. E.g. https://goo.gl/maps/cpsvKt3V5G8pTzQF8
In the past, I've seen single side posts (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.4471038,-83.1221389,3a,75y,253.45h,99.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBj-aPFdqUc-NwzD1vkqiMw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) on the majority of GA's freeways, and I do believe that they're still out there. Even that would be better than the current practice. The only acceptable use of one sign on a full gantry would be for APL's and diagrammatical signs.
Quote from: Henry on January 04, 2022, 03:43:02 PM
In the past, I've seen single side posts (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.4471038,-83.1221389,3a,75y,253.45h,99.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBj-aPFdqUc-NwzD1vkqiMw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) on the majority of GA's freeways, and I do believe that they're still out there. Even that would be better than the current practice. The only acceptable use of one sign on a full gantry would be for APL's and diagrammatical signs.
Yes. And I've never seen those single post signs raised that lead to an exit here in North Carolina, although there are a few raised posts for mileage exit signs like here in Wilmington, this is the only one I can find:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.340397,-77.8792076,3a,39.5y,182.64h,96.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCDEljHChAZTDcwPx7itmyw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: ran4sh on January 04, 2022, 03:42:02 PM
The thing that Georgia does that I wish more states would do is, on freeways with 2 or 3 lanes in one direction, instead of a cantilever they simply mount signs on the side but at overhead height. E.g. https://goo.gl/maps/cpsvKt3V5G8pTzQF8
North Carolina does it sometimes... There are some along I-85
Ex: https://goo.gl/maps/2MHcL1xV1WgeugM78
One could do what Ohio would occasionally do in the past and mount a single sign on the side but on a cantilever over nothing. :P https://goo.gl/maps/yZq9RzLLR3XSn4Dj8
Mass replaced full gantries with cantilevers for 2 full-size BGSs in places on the Mass Pike also. https://goo.gl/maps/75uCHBBwFCUu1FdU6 (It is interesting that the median mount for the old gantry wasn't removed fully; the uprights must not have wanted to un-bolt or were frozen in place, because they just cut them off and left the stubs.)
They did the cantilever eastbound as well (https://goo.gl/maps/ghh6XmY2Zir9wR7W6) and street view came along at just the right time to catch the old signs, still on the cross member, sitting on the side of the road. (It can be seen from the EB gantry post-sign-removal that they just cut the vertical members here too. Easier. https://goo.gl/maps/kF7qVcSJSgBf4Aot9)
It seems like they only used to cut off gantry poles when they were totally immovable, like this remnant that has been in the median of 128--I mean I-95, for over 2 decades now. https://goo.gl/maps/crjLMU5uf285LGdu9 The larger metal circles were the two parallel vertical parts, and the smaller one was a diagonal one as there were diagonals zig-zagging up between the two verticals. That gantry was removed and replaced with a full-dual-carriageway-width one which when new had button copy numerals for 93 (so we're talking a while ago); the full-roadway gantry and signs have been updated again but that bugaboo of the 70s gantry having a few feet concrete poured around its base has left the cut-off poles there until whenever they redo that median wall (which probably will happen eventually, but not for a while knowing Mass).
The single chorded poles are definitely uglier compared to the truss cantilevers and full truss gantries that NCDOT uses. Sometimes the full gantries are triangle or square!
As a Georgian roadgeek, yes, they should.
North Carolina started installing two signs on a cantilever recently. They started something in 2013 or 2014 I think, they probably wanted to try something more economical. Prior to those years, they all used to be on a full gantry. They use full gantries if necessary for 2 signs but other than that, they use both cantilever and full gantry for 2 signs. But if it's 3 signs, then definitely full gantry. Funny how Tennessee did the opposite.
https://goo.gl/maps/ttc17B3mPtogJWb19
https://goo.gl/maps/FaNJe7aFKJTgRu6K7
This is interesting that TDOT used a full gantry to mount a single sign on. Unless they are following Georgia's rule? I honestly don't know though.
https://goo.gl/maps/Ye5towC74aaAHN3E6