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Title: Where in Long Beach did US 91 end?
Post by: usends on January 27, 2022, 10:18:44 PM
Years ago I (along with others in this roadgeek community) determined US 91 must have terminated on Pacific Coast Hwy (aka State Street) at its junction with Atlantic Av (which carried SH 15).  Reasons for this can be found on my Long Beach page (https://www.usends.com/long-beach.html).  However, Dan Stober recently pointed out that the 1949 (1955) USGS topo (https://imgur.com/a/WSNdbJz) shows a US 91 shield a couple blocks further west, suggesting a terminus at American Av (today's Long Beach Blvd).  USGS maps are known to be occasionally inaccurate with respect to highway designations.  Nevertheless I thought it might be a good time to reconsider the location of this historic terminus, and to see if anyone is aware of any new information that sheds light on the topic.
Title: Re: Where in Long Beach did US 91 end?
Post by: NE2 on January 27, 2022, 10:33:40 PM
So the map in that 1963 application actually explicitly shows both endpoints at the Long Beach Freeway (that's what the dot plus arrow means). But is there an older map in the same style? Yes! Correspondence_CA_1952_99_US.pdf shows Atlantic Avenue.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FVE54Lxm.png&hash=800b0a06d9fe97e6b3ba749c37b1a222483871e8)
Title: Re: Where in Long Beach did US 91 end?
Post by: Bickendan on January 27, 2022, 11:07:50 PM
Fun to know that the 5 or so most 'western' miles of US 6 were the wrong way :)
Title: Re: Where in Long Beach did US 91 end?
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 27, 2022, 11:23:32 PM
I was planning on looking into this (through the AASHTO database) during February in relation to Los Alamitos Circle.  I found the database to be exacting on the terminus of US 6 in the same general area, is suspect it will be also likely be for US 91 also.
Title: Re: Where in Long Beach did US 91 end?
Post by: Mapmikey on January 28, 2022, 02:57:28 PM
The 1947 application for extending US 91 explicitly has it end at US 6 and there is a map that shows each ending at CA 15 Atlantic Ave
Title: Re: Where in Long Beach did US 91 end?
Post by: usends on January 28, 2022, 06:00:06 PM
Nice work gentlemen, that was exactly the kind of proof I was hoping for... thanks!
Title: Re: Where in Long Beach did US 91 end?
Post by: ClassicHasClass on January 29, 2022, 12:56:36 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 28, 2022, 02:57:28 PM
The 1947 application for extending US 91 explicitly has it end at US 6 and there is a map that shows each ending at CA 15 Atlantic Ave

Is this online anywhere?
Title: Re: Where in Long Beach did US 91 end?
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 29, 2022, 01:01:38 PM
Quote from: ClassicHasClass on January 29, 2022, 12:56:36 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on January 28, 2022, 02:57:28 PM
The 1947 application for extending US 91 explicitly has it end at US 6 and there is a map that shows each ending at CA 15 Atlantic Ave

Is this online anywhere?

Yes, here:

https://grmservices.grmims.com/vsearch/portal/public/na4/aashto/default

I believe you'll have to look under California for 1947 for the PDF scan for US 91 to Long Beach.  This is where I've been pulling the documents I've been scanning on stuff I've been posting on Pacific Southwest.  The general AAroads thread pertaining to the AASHTO database is here:

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=27710.0