https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/disney-world-is-replacing-its-famous-purple-street-signs-and-some-fans-are-devastated-by-the-change/ar-AATfn2P?ocid=uxbndlbing
They are now going to go with blue signs.
I guess this will be vintage now:
https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/07/world-drive-and-epcot-center-drive.html?m=1
At least they're using something that approaches the correct font. It's hard to tell if the lettering is big enough though.
My gripe has long been that advance signage is lacking for some destinations, and there's little to tell you what road name you're actually traveling to/from/upon. The colors and font are hardly a problem, although I wonder if certain types of red-blue colorblindness had difficulty with the differences.
Yeah, but I mean, if you're going to go your own way then don't half-@$$ it, in my view. The new signage doesn't have the colourful character of the old ones.
Since Max posted his set, here's mine: http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/disney/
Why is it a multi-gazillion dollar company like Disney apparently can't hire an actual traffic engineer?
Quote from: formulanone on January 28, 2022, 12:16:02 PM
At least they're using something that approaches the correct font. It's hard to tell if the lettering is big enough though.
My gripe has long been that advance signage is lacking for some destinations, and there's little to tell you what road name you're actually traveling to/from/upon. The colors and font are hardly a problem, although I wonder if certain types of red-blue colorblindness had difficulty with the differences.
Red-blue colorblindness isn't really common though (and those that can't distinguish red and blue probably can't really see color at all).
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 28, 2022, 02:40:46 PM
Why is it a multi-gazillion dollar company like Disney apparently can't hire an actual traffic engineer?
I would give credit for a few reasons: the signs are quite large, they are pretty clean, they use a readable font, and they match the aesthetic of the parks.
The new signs have rounded corners too, which I've always thought was a nice touch. Most states can't easily do it as they use extruded panel signs, but I've always thought it would be a nice thing in areas that use increment panel signs. But few still do it (FL, NC, and NY may be the only ones left).
Quote from: ran4sh on January 28, 2022, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 28, 2022, 12:16:02 PM
At least they're using something that approaches the correct font. It's hard to tell if the lettering is big enough though.
My gripe has long been that advance signage is lacking for some destinations, and there's little to tell you what road name you're actually traveling to/from/upon. The colors and font are hardly a problem, although I wonder if certain types of red-blue colorblindness had difficulty with the differences.
Red-blue colorblindness isn't really common though (and those that can't distinguish red and blue probably can't really see color at all).
My son has it, but usually purple either becomes "red" or "blue". I don't think the information in yellow-on-red is terribly mission critical to be that much of a problem, on second thought...it's located about where a black legend on a yellow background would convey the same information.
They're presenting Minnie Mouse in a pantsuit these days, so no telling what Disney is up to.
Quote from: formulanone on January 28, 2022, 11:41:20 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 28, 2022, 07:17:44 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 28, 2022, 12:16:02 PM
At least they're using something that approaches the correct font. It's hard to tell if the lettering is big enough though.
My gripe has long been that advance signage is lacking for some destinations, and there's little to tell you what road name you're actually traveling to/from/upon. The colors and font are hardly a problem, although I wonder if certain types of red-blue colorblindness had difficulty with the differences.
Red-blue colorblindness isn't really common though (and those that can't distinguish red and blue probably can't really see color at all).
My son has it, but usually purple either becomes "red" or "blue". I don't think the information in yellow-on-red is terribly mission critical to be that much of a problem, on second thought...it's located about where a black legend on a yellow background would convey the same information.
Red-blue or red-green? I have the latter and a lot of purple looks blue to me, due to me not seeing red as vibrantly.
Not sure these terms are even current:
https://www.colourblindawareness.org/colour-blindness/types-of-colour-blindness/#:~:text=People%20with%20protanopia%20are%20unable,blues%20and%20yellows%20stand%20out.
The new signs with the old colour scheme would be the best IMO. The purple was a cool novelty.
Does blue provide better night visibility than purple?
Quote from: ClassicHasClass on January 28, 2022, 02:09:50 PM
Yeah, but I mean, if you're going to go your own way then don't half-@$$ it, in my view. The new signage doesn't have the colourful character of the old ones.
Since Max posted his set, here's mine: http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/disney/
Out of curiosity what does Disney Land do with signage? I know the property isn't anywhere nearly as large but I haven't been there since 1993. I didn't notice anything odd around Anaheim when I overnighted out there last month but that was all City streets.
I don't care if the signs are purple just like I don't care if bridges are being used on guide signs as control cities. IMO, I think the purple signs are not only novelty but something different than what you see in the real world. Remember Disney is supposed to be a get away from reality as the purpose of its theme parks is to create as close to an alternative reality as you can get without believing in fairy tales.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 29, 2022, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: ClassicHasClass on January 28, 2022, 02:09:50 PM
Yeah, but I mean, if you're going to go your own way then don't half-@$$ it, in my view. The new signage doesn't have the colourful character of the old ones.
Since Max posted his set, here's mine: http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/disney/
Out of curiosity what does Disney Land do with signage? I know the property isn't anywhere nearly as large but I haven't been there since 1993. I didn't notice anything odd around Anaheim when I overnighted out there last month but that was all City streets.
ISTR they have a couple custom overheads on Disneyland Dr which I probably have pictures of around here somewhere, but nothing I would consider a systematic sign design. Like you say, most of the roads are city streets.
I've never been to Florida, let alone Disney World, so I have no attachment either way. But the new signs seem a bit more readable, so that's a plus.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 29, 2022, 12:00:38 PM
Remember Disney is supposed to be a get away from reality as the purpose of its theme parks is to create as close to an alternative reality as you can get without believing in fairy tales.
That's fine, but the drive to the "getaway from reality" should still be rooted in reality and normal conventions...
If you get in a crash on Disney property due to confusing signage, does the hospital stay not really count because it happened in an alternative reality?
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 29, 2022, 02:25:11 PM
If you get in a crash on Disney property due to confusing signage, does the hospital stay not really count because it happened in an alternative reality?
The pain killers may induce fantastical escapes from reality.
They might go back to purple because I would not be surprised at all if Disney were to start tolling its roads to make more money.
Drove Osceola Parkway west yesterday morning and photographed the new guide signs:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/osceola-pkwy-w-at-world-dr.jpg)
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 29, 2022, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: ClassicHasClass on January 28, 2022, 02:09:50 PM
Yeah, but I mean, if you're going to go your own way then don't half-@$$ it, in my view. The new signage doesn't have the colourful character of the old ones.
Since Max posted his set, here's mine: http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/disney/
Out of curiosity what does Disney Land do with signage? I know the property isn't anywhere nearly as large but I haven't been there since 1993. I didn't notice anything odd around Anaheim when I overnighted out there last month but that was all City streets.
Big Red Signs (https://goo.gl/maps/1a1CPgNTcJ6nc2qP8)
Sometimes purplish (https://goo.gl/maps/SACWD3Z64UUWh8Re7)
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on January 31, 2022, 02:02:46 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 29, 2022, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: ClassicHasClass on January 28, 2022, 02:09:50 PM
Yeah, but I mean, if you're going to go your own way then don't half-@$$ it, in my view. The new signage doesn't have the colourful character of the old ones.
Since Max posted his set, here's mine: http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/disney/
Out of curiosity what does Disney Land do with signage? I know the property isn't anywhere nearly as large but I haven't been there since 1993. I didn't notice anything odd around Anaheim when I overnighted out there last month but that was all City streets.
Big Red Signs (https://goo.gl/maps/1a1CPgNTcJ6nc2qP8)
Sometimes purplish (https://goo.gl/maps/SACWD3Z64UUWh8Re7)
That CA 57/I-5 red boy combo probably worth grabbing a photo if I'm in the area as planned in March.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 31, 2022, 08:52:21 AM
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on January 31, 2022, 02:02:46 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 29, 2022, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: ClassicHasClass on January 28, 2022, 02:09:50 PM
Yeah, but I mean, if you're going to go your own way then don't half-@$$ it, in my view. The new signage doesn't have the colourful character of the old ones.
Since Max posted his set, here's mine: http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/disney/
Out of curiosity what does Disney Land do with signage? I know the property isn't anywhere nearly as large but I haven't been there since 1993. I didn't notice anything odd around Anaheim when I overnighted out there last month but that was all City streets.
Big Red Signs (https://goo.gl/maps/1a1CPgNTcJ6nc2qP8)
Sometimes purplish (https://goo.gl/maps/SACWD3Z64UUWh8Re7)
That CA 57/I-5 red boy combo probably worth grabbing a photo if I'm in the area as planned in March.
I am bothered by the directions to CA-57. Go all the way to Lincoln and then turn right seems like so far out of the way. I appreciate that if you are exiting the Mickey and Friends parking structure and land on that viaduct that you are already north of Ball, but it still seems like a lot of travel on surface streets and heading northwest before turning east. And it would seem at normal traffic levels that it will be easier if heading to Lincoln to just take I-5 north to Lincoln as opposed to the parallel Manchester.
And once you are headed as far north as Lincoln, perhaps it makes sense just to follow I-5 to 91 east to 57 when headed to any destination where you are likely to want CA-57 (Eastern San Gabriel Valley, Pomona Valley, Inland Empire). There is no direct transfer from I-5 north to 91 east, so you can use a surface street connector via Euclid, Brookurst, or Magnolia. The Magnolia exit only passes by one signal, and may be the fastest way to make the connection.
Alternatively, one can take the I-5 south ramp from there to either Katella, Orangewood, or Chapman to make the connection to 57.
Quote from: flaroads on January 30, 2022, 05:04:16 PMDrove Osceola Parkway west yesterday morning and photographed the new guide signs:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/osceola-pkwy-w-at-world-dr.jpg)
I'm very not a fan of the new signs, in part because they don't look like road signs to me, but instead like part of an app.
Quote from: Halian on December 03, 2022, 03:49:28 PM
I'm very not a fan of the new signs, in part because they don't look like road signs to me, but instead like part of an app.
I don't think they were going with an "app" look, but no doubt they were going for something that was different than regular road signs. Signage design is as much a part of urban design as anything else, and not being tied down by the FHWA, they do have a bit of freedom to design signs that actually look like they belong in a Disney park.
It takes a pretty colossal amount of hubris on Disney's part to come to the conclusion that consistency with Disney branding is more important than following traffic standards that have 80 years of engineering knowledge written into them.
The destinations wouldn't be allowed on normal MUTCD big green signs. So in that respect, the blueish color used, for "Attractions", would actually be more appropriate
Quote from: Scott5114 on December 04, 2022, 11:05:12 PM
It takes a pretty colossal amount of hubris on Disney's part to come to the conclusion that consistency with Disney branding is more important than following traffic standards that have 80 years of engineering knowledge written into them.
That may be true if signage standards didn't change for 80 years. But being the guidence has been revised and updated, the engineering knowledge has not been perfect over those 80 years.
Disney also uses engineers, so it would be interesting to understand their studies and opinions as to how they come up with the standards for their signage.
I actually really like the new Disney signs. The color scheme is quite visually pleasing while not overly detracting from the sign content.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 04, 2022, 11:43:46 PM
The destinations wouldn't be allowed on normal MUTCD big green signs. So in that respect, the blueish color used, for "Attractions", would actually be more appropriate
Why not? Here's many of the same destinations on I-4 BGS: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.3720535,-81.5098101,3a,75y,208.96h,86.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPmi-JztzgGNGqiYcwWBhaw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Quote from: jakeroot on December 04, 2022, 11:00:46 PM
Quote from: Halian on December 03, 2022, 03:49:28 PMI'm very not a fan of the new signs, in part because they don't look like road signs to me, but instead like part of an app.
I don't think they were going with an "app" look, but no doubt they were going for something that was different than regular road signs. Signage design is as much a part of urban design as anything else, and not being tied down by the FHWA, they do have a bit of freedom to design signs that actually look like they belong in a Disney park.
And the purple ones didn't? o_o
Quote from: UCFKnights on December 04, 2022, 11:54:58 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 04, 2022, 11:43:46 PM
The destinations wouldn't be allowed on normal MUTCD big green signs. So in that respect, the blueish color used, for "Attractions", would actually be more appropriate
Why not? Here's many of the same destinations on I-4 BGS: https://www.google.com/maps/@28.3720535,-81.5098101,3a,75y,208.96h,86.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPmi-JztzgGNGqiYcwWBhaw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Just because the sign was designed that way doesn't mean is should have been designed that way.
It's questionable if anything here is actually permitted within the MUTCD, hence what 80 years of engineering knowledge gets. It also shows that the MUTCD, as much as it tries to standardize traffic control devices across the US, is only a manual and not a Bible, and sometimes doesn't do well with exceptions.
Business names generally aren't allowed on signage. A strong argument can be made that 'Disney' in of itself is a 'traffic generator', which is permitted, and an exception may be appropriate here. However, as the Disney empire has expanded, it makes posting everything properly a chore. Using brown or blue signage may be the more appropriate for the signs that show specific theme parks.
There's also two signs for Exit 67, an 'Exit Only' arrow not pointing over a lane, and lack of any distance notification.
Quote from: flaroads on January 30, 2022, 05:04:16 PM
Drove Osceola Parkway west yesterday morning and photographed the new guide signs:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/osceola-pkwy-w-at-world-dr.jpg)
Recognizing this doesn't directly relate to signage standards and the like, what I find interesting is that they used all-caps for EPCOT. I was under the impression that they'd started writing it as "Epcot" instead and that they had moved away from its origin as an acronym.
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 05, 2022, 09:07:45 AM
Quote from: flaroads on January 30, 2022, 05:04:16 PM
Drove Osceola Parkway west yesterday morning and photographed the new guide signs:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/osceola-pkwy-w-at-world-dr.jpg)
Recognizing this doesn't directly relate to signage standards and the like, what I find interesting is that they used all-caps for EPCOT. I was under the impression that they'd started writing it as "Epcot" instead and that they had moved away from its origin as an acronym.
I just noticed the original posts on this thread are almost a year old. Interesting. Anyways...
Forget the new "BDBS" (big dark blue signs), the RAMP 25 MPH sign on the right is using some funky font that I can't tell even from this photo looks bad.
The big signs look ok, but I never like seeing the typical down arrows rotated to a different angle.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 05, 2022, 10:45:38 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 05, 2022, 09:07:45 AM
Quote from: flaroads on January 30, 2022, 05:04:16 PM
Drove Osceola Parkway west yesterday morning and photographed the new guide signs:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/osceola-pkwy-w-at-world-dr.jpg)
Recognizing this doesn't directly relate to signage standards and the like, what I find interesting is that they used all-caps for EPCOT. I was under the impression that they'd started writing it as "Epcot" instead and that they had moved away from its origin as an acronym.
I just noticed the original posts on this thread are almost a year old. Interesting. Anyways...
Forget the new "BDBS" (big dark blue signs), the RAMP 25 MPH sign on the right is using some funky font that I can't tell even from this photo looks bad.
The big signs look ok, but I never like seeing the typical down arrows rotated to a different angle.
That sign is a holdover from the
glory days of purple signs, IINM.