Poll
Question:
Exit sign preference?
Option 1: Red
votes: 2
Option 2: Green
votes: 6
Option 3: Don't dare
votes: 4
I prefer red. Green kinda seems silly to me. Although here, I've seen buildings with both red and green.
https://blog.1000bulbs.com/home/exit-sign-guide
This was taken at the ECU Student Center. The Health Sciences building has all green exit signs.
(https://i.imgur.com/yAtJJr0.jpg)
Some states have requirements or recommendations on which color to use: https://blog.1000bulbs.com/home/exit-sign-guide
Quote from: Big John on February 17, 2022, 05:53:33 PM
Some states have requirements or recommendations on which color to use: https://blog.1000bulbs.com/home/exit-sign-guide
interesting i see. Normally signs are red but green signs are allowed. Signs are mostly red here
Red is or was the standard in America, green is used in some other countries. The interesting trend I'm seeing is that aircraft exit signs which had been red are changing to green, for example, Delta Air Lines' newest safety presentation video says that the exits are marked with green signs.
Quote from: ran4sh on February 17, 2022, 06:07:53 PM
Red is or was the standard in America, green is used in some other countries. The interesting trend I'm seeing is that aircraft exit signs which had been red are changing to green, for example, Delta Air Lines' newest safety presentation video says that the exits are marked with green signs.
I wonder if the change was psychological; don't be afraid to exit because it's red, it's okay (green) to exit here in an emergency. Could also be wherever interior outfitting companies are based. Google shows a few different examples, and most use red.
Airbus tends to use green, Boeing uses red...from my small sample size of photos. Now I'll be checking this out for a while!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7846/40133371853_9db1fda62e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/249s2e8)
Back Row of Delta's Airbus A321 (https://flic.kr/p/249s2e8) by formulanone (https://www.flickr.com/photos/formulanone/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/5464/31167258285_112afa4ee3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Pu9m3a)
Back Row View, Boeing 737-900 (https://flic.kr/p/Pu9m3a) by formulanone (https://www.flickr.com/photos/formulanone/), on Flickr
Green signs are easier to see because the wavelength isn't as long, and thus human eyes are more sensitive to it. Also, in the event of a fire, green will stand out easier on account of... all of the fire, which is famously not green.
I think red is actually only used in the US; every other country requires green (Canada used to allow red but it is phasing it out). Most other countries also include a pictogram of a person running through a door.
Throughout the King of Prussia Mall near Philly, you'll also find floor-level Exit signage, because they also teach you to crawl below the smoke when possible.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/schuminweb/51496780643
Prefer green exit signs myself. Not sure why besides that it looks more appealing to me than red signs, and that most other countries use green exit signs.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 17, 2022, 06:37:42 PM
Green signs are easier to see because the wavelength isn't as long, and thus human eyes are more sensitive to it. Also, in the event of a fire, green will stand out easier on account of... all of the fire, which is famously not green.
Green isn't really close to being the shortest wavelength color though. If short wavelengths are easier to see then one would think that violet and blue would be those colors.
Quote from: ran4sh on February 18, 2022, 02:31:36 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 17, 2022, 06:37:42 PM
Green signs are easier to see because the wavelength isn't as long, and thus human eyes are more sensitive to it. Also, in the event of a fire, green will stand out easier on account of... all of the fire, which is famously not green.
Green isn't really close to being the shortest wavelength color though. If short wavelengths are easier to see then one would think that violet and blue would be those colors.
Green is definitely the brightest to the human eye. He might have meant "closer to the center" rather than just shorter.
Quote from: 1 on February 18, 2022, 06:16:00 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on February 18, 2022, 02:31:36 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 17, 2022, 06:37:42 PM
Green signs are easier to see because the wavelength isn't as long, and thus human eyes are more sensitive to it. Also, in the event of a fire, green will stand out easier on account of... all of the fire, which is famously not green.
Green isn't really close to being the shortest wavelength color though. If short wavelengths are easier to see then one would think that violet and blue would be those colors.
Green is definitely the brightest to the human eye. He might have meant "closer to the center" rather than just shorter.
Red is a longer wavelength than any other color in a human's visual spectrum; it is not as visually attenuated by absorption compared to other shorter wavelengths' colors. Thus, it is physically the first color the human eye sees, and psychologically it can be used to induce primal fear due to the color being related to bloodshed.
Still, if everything in a room is red, you would need something to make it stand out. Perceptually, we tend to cancel-out an overload of visual phenomena to a small percentage of what our fovea (located to the rear of our eye cavity) can sharply detect. As green is a visual complement on the other side of the color wheel, it would make the most sense.
I sort of like E5-1bP mounted above E5-1. Or the Nebraska style. Because they're different.
Quote from: ran4sh on February 17, 2022, 06:07:53 PM
Red is or was the standard in America, green is used in some other countries.
Rabbit hole. I had a hard time learning certain parts of the Dutch language. The exit signs are marked "UIT". That word is actually pronounced almost just like the English word "out". I tried to order pizza with onions (Dutch "uin") in a restaurant where all of the staff were from the Middle East and nobody spoke English. That word first came out like "yuinz" in Pittsburghese. Had no problem ordering pepperoni, but never could figure out how to order onions until I got back to work at the airport and found out how to pronounce the word on the exit sign.
Quote from: ran4sh on February 18, 2022, 02:31:36 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 17, 2022, 06:37:42 PM
Green signs are easier to see because the wavelength isn't as long, and thus human eyes are more sensitive to it. Also, in the event of a fire, green will stand out easier on account of... all of the fire, which is famously not green.
Green isn't really close to being the shortest wavelength color though. If short wavelengths are easier to see then one would think that violet and blue would be those colors.
Blue doesn't have the positive connotations that green does though. A green light means go. A blue light means you're in a Kmart that's about to go out of business.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_sign
QuoteIn the United States, exit signs can have either red or green lettering, but traditionally have been red. Many states or cities have enacted building codes which specify the sign color. For example, in Baltimore, Salt Lake City, and Portland, Oregon, green is required. New York City, Rhode Island, and Chicago (along with the rest of Illinois) require that exit signs have red text.
We never introduced symbolic exit signs.
QuoteNewly installed exit signs in Australia are green with white "running man" figure (AS2293). Previously, green written 'EXIT' signs were standard.
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 18, 2022, 03:07:10 PM
We never introduced symbolic exit signs.
QuoteNewly installed exit signs in Australia are green with white "running man" figure (AS2293). Previously, green written 'EXIT' signs were standard.
The US seem to use a lot more more text-based signage than pictogram-based compared to other countries. Like for road signs, compare the MUTCD signs and the Vienna Convention signs, and you'll see. Speed limit signs elsewhere are simply a number in a white and red circle, for example.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 18, 2022, 01:12:02 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on February 18, 2022, 02:31:36 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 17, 2022, 06:37:42 PM
Green signs are easier to see because the wavelength isn't as long, and thus human eyes are more sensitive to it. Also, in the event of a fire, green will stand out easier on account of... all of the fire, which is famously not green.
Green isn't really close to being the shortest wavelength color though. If short wavelengths are easier to see then one would think that violet and blue would be those colors.
Blue doesn't have the positive connotations that green does though. A green light means go. A blue light means you're in a Kmart that's about to go out of business.
In fact, violet is one of the colors that the human eye is least sensitive to.
The green running man is definitely the norm across British Columbia, as it is in most of Canada. It seems like a lot of retrofits took place.
Here in Washington, I mostly see green in new buildings, red in older buildings. The green running man is used in the WA-99 Tunnel (https://goo.gl/maps/wbYmGDXAEiRt8vNG6) under Seattle, as well as the I-90 Mount Baker tunnel (https://goo.gl/maps/wfqREHPDWPUgETwR6) and I-90 Aubrey Davis Park lid (https://goo.gl/maps/Qd2jaUAoVR2cZBhr8) (both of these were retrofitted within the last five years, previously (https://goo.gl/maps/h9Qe3DBGdF3haaUn9) it showed a vertical EXIT in red-on-white).
I know the US has no plans to switch over to the green running man signs as they say the EXIT text works just fine for humans to see.
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 23, 2022, 05:31:13 PM
I know the US has no plans to switch over to the green running man signs as they say the EXIT text works just fine for humans to see.
They said that? Regulations like this are notoriously slow to change, I wouldn't be surprised if the US adopted the running man in the next decade.
Quote from: jakeroot on February 23, 2022, 06:35:58 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 23, 2022, 05:31:13 PM
I know the US has no plans to switch over to the green running man signs as they say the EXIT text works just fine for humans to see.
They said that? Regulations like this are notoriously slow to change, I wouldn't be surprised if the US adopted the running man in the next decade.
https://www.jessupmfg.com/blog/what-is-the-running-man-exit-sign-and-where-is-it-used.html
QuoteWhile the NFPA has no plans to substitute the classic American emergency EXITÂ sign anytime soon, you can't deny the Running Man's widespread appeal.
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 23, 2022, 07:42:28 PM
https://www.jessupmfg.com/blog/what-is-the-running-man-exit-sign-and-where-is-it-used.html
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While the NFPA has no plans to substitute the classic American emergency EXITÂ sign anytime soon, you can't deny the Running Man's widespread appeal.
Based on that, you could assume that the running man exit sign could just as easily become the standard if it's already permitted. All you need are a few cities/counties/states to start mandating it, it becomes a trend, and then eventually the standard.
The problem is that while NFPA has no problem with the running-man sign, without them adding it to their standard, there's no way to guarantee that it won't get you a code enforcement violation. For example, right now, I'm working on a commercial project in a town of 8900. If I put up a running man exit sign, I risk the building inspector saying "well, that ain't something I ever seen before" and issuing a code enforcement violation against us. I could try to persuade him that yes, actually, this meets NFPA regulations, and, and, and...but I might not succeed if he's stuck in his ways. Well, do I really want to risk having my business partners pissed off at me because I wasted a few hundred dollars on non-standard exit signs? No, I'm going to put up a standard exit sign.
As it is now, I don't think you can even buy an exit sign that both meets NFPA standards and includes the running man. All of the ones I've found are glow-in-the-dark, rather than internally illuminated, and stress that they can only be used as an "egress marker" (I am not sure what the distinction is) and not as a primary exit sign.
I like green better because it doesn't hurt the eyes as much as red does.
Quote from: jakeroot on February 23, 2022, 06:35:58 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 23, 2022, 05:31:13 PM
I know the US has no plans to switch over to the green running man signs as they say the EXIT text works just fine for humans to see.
They said that? Regulations like this are notoriously slow to change, I wouldn't be surprised if the US adopted the running man in the next decade.
You know if they try to adopt it, immediately the disabled and the hard of running will loudly bitch about the design.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 25, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 23, 2022, 06:35:58 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 23, 2022, 05:31:13 PM
I know the US has no plans to switch over to the green running man signs as they say the EXIT text works just fine for humans to see.
They said that? Regulations like this are notoriously slow to change, I wouldn't be surprised if the US adopted the running man in the next decade.
You know if they try to adopt it, immediately the disabled and the hard of running will loudly bitch about the design.
OTOH, those with red/green colorblindness won't notice
Quote from: skluth on February 25, 2022, 09:17:44 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 25, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 23, 2022, 06:35:58 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 23, 2022, 05:31:13 PM
I know the US has no plans to switch over to the green running man signs as they say the EXIT text works just fine for humans to see.
They said that? Regulations like this are notoriously slow to change, I wouldn't be surprised if the US adopted the running man in the next decade.
You know if they try to adopt it, immediately the disabled and the hard of running will loudly bitch about the design.
OTOH, those with red/green colorblindness won't notice
That's not how red/green colorblindness works...
I am red/green colorblind and can tell the difference between red and green 99% of the time. The colorblindness comes in because I don't see red as vividly as normal vision does. So, that's why not being able to tell the difference between blue and purple is common. I don't see purple unless it has a LOT of red in it (magenta).
Quote from: Rothman on February 25, 2022, 09:39:30 PM
Quote from: skluth on February 25, 2022, 09:17:44 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 25, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 23, 2022, 06:35:58 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 23, 2022, 05:31:13 PM
I know the US has no plans to switch over to the green running man signs as they say the EXIT text works just fine for humans to see.
They said that? Regulations like this are notoriously slow to change, I wouldn't be surprised if the US adopted the running man in the next decade.
You know if they try to adopt it, immediately the disabled and the hard of running will loudly bitch about the design.
OTOH, those with red/green colorblindness won't notice
That's not how red/green colorblindness works...
I am red/green colorblind and can tell the difference between red and green 99% of the time. The colorblindness comes in because I don't see red as vividly as normal vision does. So, that's why not being able to tell the difference between blue and purple is common. I don't see purple unless it has a LOT of red in it (magenta).
I'm not colorblind but I used to work with a lot of guys who were as the AG rating was one of the USN ratings that didn't require being able to see colors. It doesn't mean much but I became much more aware of the issue. There are a few different kinds of colorblindness (https://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/color-blindness/types-of-color-blindness/) that the military tests (https://www.thebalancecareers.com/does-the-military-require-normal-color-vision-3353994) for during your initial testing (at least they did back in 1980). The first NFL color rush game was a PR disaster (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/look-bills-jets-game-is-complete-torture-for-color-blind-people/) because the jerseys looks almost identical to many red-green colorblind people.
Quote from: skluth on February 26, 2022, 04:09:21 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 25, 2022, 09:39:30 PM
Quote from: skluth on February 25, 2022, 09:17:44 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 25, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 23, 2022, 06:35:58 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 23, 2022, 05:31:13 PM
I know the US has no plans to switch over to the green running man signs as they say the EXIT text works just fine for humans to see.
They said that? Regulations like this are notoriously slow to change, I wouldn't be surprised if the US adopted the running man in the next decade.
You know if they try to adopt it, immediately the disabled and the hard of running will loudly bitch about the design.
OTOH, those with red/green colorblindness won't notice
That's not how red/green colorblindness works...
I am red/green colorblind and can tell the difference between red and green 99% of the time. The colorblindness comes in because I don't see red as vividly as normal vision does. So, that's why not being able to tell the difference between blue and purple is common. I don't see purple unless it has a LOT of red in it (magenta).
I'm not colorblind but I used to work with a lot of guys who were as the AG rating was one of the USN ratings that didn't require being able to see colors. It doesn't mean much but I became much more aware of the issue. There are a few different kinds of colorblindness (https://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/color-blindness/types-of-color-blindness/) that the military tests (https://www.thebalancecareers.com/does-the-military-require-normal-color-vision-3353994) for during your initial testing (at least they did back in 1980). The first NFL color rush game was a PR disaster (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/look-bills-jets-game-is-complete-torture-for-color-blind-people/) because the jerseys looks almost identical to many red-green colorblind people.
I still think there is a huge misperception out there over what colorblind people actually see, especially given the huge spectrum across anomalous trichromats.
How about the signs on the Tube in London that say "Way Out" instead of "Exit"?
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 26, 2022, 08:22:33 PM
How about the signs on the Tube in London that say "Way Out" instead of "Exit"?
It's also used in Vancouver on the SkyTrain. Signs used to say Exit, and there are still exit signs, but all signs say "Way Out" until you get to the actual exit, where there is an actual "Exit" sign (stylized, not the emergency style -- the green running man is used sparingly/in addition to other signs). I believe this style of signage was adopted from TfL standards.