Poll
Question:
Which do you prefer?
Option 1: Lime
votes: 6
Option 2: Yellow-orange
votes: 0
Option 3: Don't care
votes: 4
I prefer lime, the area that my city uses, they are more visible at night. Yellow-orange looks substandard and should be banned when the new 2022 MUTCD comes out.
Lime
701 Cotanche St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/j9BPVcAbWDNRtzss8
500 S Pitt St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/1A45TzXuracAwXJu5
2062 W 5th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/egnjxGmPoa1CVFoY7
Yellow-Orange
481 E 126th St
https://maps.app.goo.gl/5hZpzeJK1TLe4Sy47
110 E Pennsylvania Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/fmsfqim7wKgrf19s8
2930 Woodward Ave
https://maps.app.goo.gl/fZYqwmA7cNLnM7sN9
Lime is fluorescent yellow green (FYG). Yellow-orange is just plain yellow.
FYG is used for pedestrians and school zones for extra emphasis.
Quote from: Big John on March 05, 2022, 06:01:50 PM
FYG is used for pedestrians and school zones for extra emphasis.
But shouldn't all the pedestrian signs be FYG?
FYG pedestrian signs are optional per 2009 MUTCD, but they show up better.
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 05, 2022, 06:03:32 PM
Quote from: Big John on March 05, 2022, 06:01:50 PM
FYG is used for pedestrians and school zones for extra emphasis.
But shouldn't all the pedestrian signs be FYG?
Write me a check for $32,000 and I'll get started replacing them for you.
Quote from: Big John on March 05, 2022, 06:17:31 PM
FYG pedestrian signs are optional per 2009 MUTCD, but they show up better.
Yes but if they show better, then everybody should be using it!
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 05, 2022, 06:17:53 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 05, 2022, 06:03:32 PM
Quote from: Big John on March 05, 2022, 06:01:50 PM
FYG is used for pedestrians and school zones for extra emphasis.
But shouldn't all the pedestrian signs be FYG?
Write me a check for $32,000 and I'll get started replacing them for you.
Alright
Over ten years (starting in 2017), Missouri intends to replace yellow-orange school pedestrian signs with FYG ones. Normal pedestrian signs will remain yellow-orange.
Sourced from the 2017 publication of the Department of Revenue's Driver Guide.
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 05, 2022, 06:03:32 PM
Quote from: Big John on March 05, 2022, 06:01:50 PM
FYG is used for pedestrians and school zones for extra emphasis.
But shouldn't all the pedestrian signs be FYG?
Maybe, but the original point was to reserve the color for zones of special importance. So, as a driver, you'd see the fluorescent yellow-green (FYG) and ideally associate that with a school zone. But the rampant use of FYG outside of school zones has meant that the color really has no special meaning to anyone.
(moved my rant on unrelated topic to its own topic)
Quote from: ozarkman417 on March 05, 2022, 06:29:39 PM
Over ten years (starting in 2017), Missouri intends to replace yellow-orange school pedestrian signs with FYG ones.
All school zone signs must be FYG as far as I know.
This is what I found: http://www.trafficsign.us/w11.html
Never seen an orange pedestrian sign.
http://www.trafficsign.us/150/warn/w11-2.png
^^ Pedestrians are usually discouraged from construction zones.
Quote from: Big John on March 05, 2022, 06:50:21 PM
^^ Pedestrians are usually discouraged from construction zones.
Then it's a bit random of why those are even in the manual
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 05, 2022, 06:51:16 PM
Quote from: Big John on March 05, 2022, 06:50:21 PM
^^ Pedestrians are usually discouraged from construction zones.
Then it's a bit random of why those are even in the manual
Your link is from a sign vendor and not MUTCD. They often claim signs are MUTCD compliant which they are not.
Quote from: Big John on March 05, 2022, 06:54:25 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 05, 2022, 06:51:16 PM
Quote from: Big John on March 05, 2022, 06:50:21 PM
^^ Pedestrians are usually discouraged from construction zones.
Then it's a bit random of why those are even in the manual
Your link is from a sign vendor and not MUTCD. They often claim signs are MUTCD compliant which they are not.
Tolbs is running amok.
The KYTC Traffic Operations Manual dictates that all new pedestrian and bicycle related signage be fluorescent yellow green. I prefer them that color, they stand out more and to me are different than a roadway hazard or other warning. I do agree that the use may "cheapen" the school zone applications but a school zone is really nothing more than an area where increased caution is needed because a child (aka a pedestrian) could enter the roadway.
Quote from: Rothman on March 05, 2022, 09:11:33 PM
Tolbs is running amok.
Not quite, he's obviously trying to find the crosswalks.
(Do you think tolbs17's head will explode if he discovers California in Street View?)
Quote from: formulanone on March 06, 2022, 09:42:40 AM
(Do you think tolbs17's head will explode if he discovers California in Street View?)
Forget California...wait until he sees anything outside a 50 mile radius of his house. Or the yellow color used on all warning signs nationwide.
Quote from: formulanone on March 06, 2022, 09:42:40 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 05, 2022, 09:11:33 PM
Tolbs is running amok.
Not quite, he's obviously trying to find the crosswalks.
(Do you think tolbs17's head will explode if he discovers California in Street View?)
I did. They are all yellow. Different laws.
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 05, 2022, 06:30:46 PM
All school zone signs must be FYG as far as I know.
Write me a check for $32,000 and I'll get started replacing them for you.
Quote from: kphoger on March 07, 2022, 10:03:19 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 05, 2022, 06:30:46 PM
All school zone signs must be FYG as far as I know.
Write me a check for $32,000 and I'll get started replacing them for you.
Will do, man.
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 07, 2022, 10:05:19 AM
Quote from: kphoger on March 07, 2022, 10:03:19 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 05, 2022, 06:30:46 PM
All school zone signs must be FYG as far as I know.
Write me a check for $32,000 and I'll get started replacing them for you.
Will do, man.
720 S Christine
Wichita, KS 67218
Make sure the check doesn't bounce.
Quote from: kphoger on March 07, 2022, 10:27:30 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 07, 2022, 10:05:19 AM
Quote from: kphoger on March 07, 2022, 10:03:19 AM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 05, 2022, 06:30:46 PM
All school zone signs must be FYG as far as I know.
Write me a check for $32,000 and I'll get started replacing them for you.
Will do, man.
720 S Christine
Wichita, KS 67218
Make sure the check doesn't bounce.
Will make sure it won't bounce. Thanks.
I, for one, am enjoying my pair of Dr. K. P. H. Oger's Fantastical Fluorescentizing Signage Occular Goggles with patented ChromaXwalk technology!
"Price tag was a cool $32k, but that's just half of a game show pyramid. Step right up, folks! All yeller signage from coast to coast becomes instantly Shocking yellow!"
Only your eyes and wallet will be fooled!
I will admit, the first time I saw these bright green signs I was a bit perplexed because I had been accustomed to seeing the yellow colors, but now I'm used to the newer ones because next to them, the yellow signs look outdated.
Quote from: Henry on March 07, 2022, 11:51:48 AM
I will admit, the first time I saw these bright green signs I was a bit perplexed because I had been accustomed to seeing the yellow colors, but now I'm used to the newer ones because next to them, the yellow signs look outdated.
Same here. FYG signs were introduced in 1998 for the school zone signs which are mandated to be that color because of the brighter visibility to those, but are optional for pedestrian, bike, trail signs etc. I think the reason why some districts use yellow signs for pedestrians is because they want to reserve FYG for school zone signs only.
Here's the link to the history of warning signs. Btw, I'm putting this here so I won't forget having to keep looking for it
http://www.andrewturnbull.net/signs-w.html
Quote from: jakeroot on March 05, 2022, 06:30:36 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 05, 2022, 06:03:32 PM
Quote from: Big John on March 05, 2022, 06:01:50 PM
FYG is used for pedestrians and school zones for extra emphasis.
But shouldn't all the pedestrian signs be FYG?
Maybe, but the original point was to reserve the color for zones of special importance. So, as a driver, you'd see the fluorescent yellow-green (FYG) and ideally associate that with a school zone. But the rampant use of FYG outside of school zones has meant that the color really has no special meaning to anyone.
Per 2009 MUTCD, FYG is required for school signs, but it's optional for pretty much all situations warning of non-motorized traffic encroaching upon the roadway... pedestrians, bikes, trial crossings.
The original reason for using with school zones was as stated, to have special emphasis for these types of situations that can be somewhat unpredictable. Many agencies take advantage of this option now (some agencies in Nevada aren't quite consistent in exceeding the option though...) I actually think FYG should be required in these situations.
Quote from: formulanone on March 07, 2022, 11:46:54 AM
I, for one, am enjoying my pair of Dr. K. P. H. Oger's Fantastical Fluorescentizing Signage Occular Goggles with patented ChromaXwalk technology!
"Price tag was a cool $32k, but that's just half of a game show pyramid. Step right up, folks! All yeller signage from coast to coast becomes instantly Shocking yellow!"
Only your eyes and wallet will be fooled!
I like how he is just amassing more and more initials (and his last name is getting shorter and shorter) as time goes on.