My favorite Caltrans screwup is this set of directional and informational signs maintained just for the benefit of local residents exiting their neighborhood near the 5/91 interchange.
(https://i.imgur.com/812PaMg.jpg)
Sign assembly facing west on Buckingham Street at Magnolia Avenue.
Before the interchange was rebuilt in the late 90s, a freeway offramp for Magnolia and Orangethorpe Avenues from the 5 north dumped off onto a side street that accesses this neighborhood, so the sign assembly pictured was installed there at Magnolia Avenue facing east to let those motorists know how to get to various destinations once they exited the freeway.
(https://i.imgur.com/qdeoqsq.jpg)
Current 5 north exit at Magnolia with pre-1997 exit routing illustrated.
When Caltrans rebuilt the interchange, they moved the off-ramp further to the northwest and to the other side of Magnolia, so it now brought exiting traffic to the opposite side of the intersection from where exiting traffic used to encounter the original sign assembly. But upon completion of the interchange reconstruction, they nonetheless reinstalled the sign assembly in the same location, facing the same direction, but now essentially only benefitting people exiting the neighborhood onto Magnolia.
(https://i.imgur.com/rPkqpTG.jpg)
Facing east on current 5 north offramp with old sign assembly in background. Typical District 12 sign kerning in foreground.
There is a directional sign assembly for the new offramp, but it doesn't have near as much information as the old one. I don't know if Caltrans has replaced the sign in the old location in the past 25 years since the interchange was rebuilt, but it wouldn't surprise me if they had. :-D
By the way, on the old sign assembly, I have no idea why it gave directions to the 5 freeway for motorists coming off an offramp from . . . the 5 freeway.
Monterey County Route 18 at Monterey County Route G14:
https://flic.kr/p/2hmtbx4
I even filled out a help ticket with Caltrans for that one. They kept insisting it was correct and I eventually gave up trying to convince them.
Quote from: Occidental Tourist on March 07, 2022, 01:58:44 PM
By the way, on the old sign assembly, I have no idea why it gave directions to the 5 freeway for motorists coming off an offramp from . . . the 5 freeway.
This was my first thought. Why would traffic exiting 5 northbound need directions to 5 northbound, much less 5 southbound? Over-height trucks? Normally not a condition warranting guide signage.
It honestly makes more sense now than it did when it was first installed.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2022, 02:18:34 PM
Monterey County Route 18 at Monterey County Route G14:
https://flic.kr/p/2hmtbx4
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2022, 02:18:34 PM
Monterey County Route 18 at Monterey County Route G14:
https://flic.kr/p/2hmtbx4
I even filled out a help ticket with Caltrans for that one. They kept insisting it was correct and I eventually gave up trying to convince them.
I even filled out a help ticket with Caltrans for that one. They kept insisting it was correct and I eventually gave up trying to convince them.
2/3 correct is pretty good for Caltrans.
The green sign (Caltrans property) is saying I-5 is San Diego Freeway, but it is still Santa Ana Freeway at this point.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6894259,-117.7689851,3a,90y,229.55h,61.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMI9v4S2_NFY97W24AzSBSw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Here they can't even abbreviate Mountain correctly:
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.4253556,-121.9179703,3a,62.5y,218.67h,95.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sliwvnhPKkWvOXiNp48KODw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
(other signs abbreviated as Mtn so this sign is the odd one)
Lastly, signing for "Los Angeles" within the city of Los Angeles is pretty much a District 7-exclusive thing. All other places in California say Downtown [city] or say the next control city.
US-101 South in Ventura showing signage as "Oxn Coast H" for Oxnard Blvd. At least they took out the CA-1 shield.
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.248712,-119.2037035,3a,75y,134.42h,98.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shwGMazUEdvh9E5SC3Es7zg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
In 2008, a sign in Moorpark gave you wrong directions for CA 23 north (that is, putting you on CA 118 east instead): https://flic.kr/p/5NJKtM
However, the sign has been fixed since then: https://goo.gl/maps/71vSgvV89wxv4rFG6
Quote from: RZF on March 07, 2022, 08:19:26 PM
US-101 South in Ventura showing signage as "Oxn Coast H" for Oxnard Blvd. At least they took out the CA-1 shield.
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.248712,-119.2037035,3a,75y,134.42h,98.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shwGMazUEdvh9E5SC3Es7zg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
So many levels of greenout failure. Pacific Coast Hwy with a 101 shield on the right side covered up by Oxnard Blvd with a 1 shield on the left side, with the edges of that shield then scraped off and the numeral further greened out when they rerouted 1 onto Rice Ave.
Quote from: jakeroot on March 07, 2022, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: Occidental Tourist on March 07, 2022, 01:58:44 PM
By the way, on the old sign assembly, I have no idea why it gave directions to the 5 freeway for motorists coming off an offramp from . . . the 5 freeway.
This was my first thought. Why would traffic exiting 5 northbound need directions to 5 northbound, much less 5 southbound? Over-height trucks? Normally not a condition warranting guide signage.
It honestly makes more sense now than it did when it was first installed.
One good reason to keep all of that information on the sign would be to guide people coming back to the freeway. Of course nobody would generally exit simply to get back on, but people could have a legitimate reason to get off to get food or gas and then would have no idea how to get back on their freeway because the ramps are weird in this location, given the proximity to the 5/91 interchange. It can be even more confusing given the missing ramps - you need to use surface streets to make the connection from 5 NB to 91 EB, for instance. Also given the area's heavily tourist concentration (being close to Knotts and Disney), then clear guide signs are even more important.
The signage here is completely correct, just not as useful with the change in ramp configuration.
Quote from: SeriesE on March 07, 2022, 05:05:34 PM
The green sign (Caltrans property) is saying I-5 is San Diego Freeway, but it is still Santa Ana Freeway at this point.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6894259,-117.7689851,3a,90y,229.55h,61.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMI9v4S2_NFY97W24AzSBSw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
I could see the use of San Diego Frwy at Alto Pkwy, but north of CA 133? :lol:
Posted this back in the "Road Sign UNO" thread but I love this font used at the I-5/CA 1 interchange
(https://i.imgur.com/rVX7utG.jpg)
Quote from: mrsman on March 08, 2022, 08:09:40 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on March 07, 2022, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: Occidental Tourist on March 07, 2022, 01:58:44 PM
By the way, on the old sign assembly, I have no idea why it gave directions to the 5 freeway for motorists coming off an offramp from . . . the 5 freeway.
This was my first thought. Why would traffic exiting 5 northbound need directions to 5 northbound, much less 5 southbound? Over-height trucks? Normally not a condition warranting guide signage.
It honestly makes more sense now than it did when it was first installed.
One good reason to keep all of that information on the sign would be to guide people coming back to the freeway. Of course nobody would generally exit simply to get back on, but people could have a legitimate reason to get off to get food or gas and then would have no idea how to get back on their freeway because the ramps are weird in this location, given the proximity to the 5/91 interchange. It can be even more confusing given the missing ramps - you need to use surface streets to make the connection from 5 NB to 91 EB, for instance. Also given the area's heavily tourist concentration (being close to Knotts and Disney), then clear guide signs are even more important.
The signage here is completely correct, just not as useful with the change in ramp configuration.
I have to disagree with you on a couple of points:
With the former ramp configuration, coming off the 5 northbound, getting to the 91 east would have required a right turn before you ever got to the intersection at Magnolia with the sign. So other than overheight vehicles (and offhand I don't know if pre-construction Magnolia bridge over the 5 met interstate height requirements, but I do know it was high enough to clear the railroad tracks on the south side, so it had to be fairly high in its pre-97 form) there would be no other reason to indicate how to get back to the 5 freeway.
With the current configuration, no one coming back to the freeway is going to encounter that sign. The neighborhood that sign faces has no businesses in it. You don't get into that neighborhood intentionally or accidentally by staying on a major road or boulevard; you have to make a deliberate turn into a clearly residential neighborhood onto a smaller street in order to even "accidentally" get into the neighborhood. And once you're in that neighborhood, it's labyrinthine. There's no straight shot through that neighborhood from either Brookhurst or Orangethorpe, the two closest major streets. If you were an out-of-towner, and somehow got lost in that particular neighborhood, that sign isn't going to be the guidepost that gets you out and back onto the freeway.
Quote from: Techknow on March 08, 2022, 11:10:14 PM
Posted this back in the "Road Sign UNO" thread but I love this font used at the I-5/CA 1 interchange
(https://i.imgur.com/rVX7utG.jpg)
Series D combined with a 3/4 error. A classic!
The mother of all screwups is the omission of an I-5 North marker on a CA 110 exit sign that caused Richard Ankrom to get lost, so he fixed it himself:
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/guerrilla-artist-fakes-downtown-la-freeway-sign-stays-up-for-years/
This year marks the 20th anniversary of the prank he played on Caltrans, who left the sign alone despite his criminal actions in the name of public service and ultimately replaced it with their own version.
I don't know of any good Caltrans screwups. But kudos to the OP for the thread name with symbols for letters in such choice spots. Bravo!!! :clap:
Another one is the I-405 S advance exit sign for Normandie Avenue at Western Avenue (since removed due to construction) - also discussed in this forum before
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8607234,-118.3142072,3a,75y,124.7h,90.48t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sXasrcxv8orTxtRyq8DEtnQ!2e0!5s20190401T000000!7i16384!8i8192
There was a down arrow in the old sign, then it was covered with a green out, and then a new sign brought back the down arrow (now pointed at the wrong lane) because they didn't update their sign specs and the old spec was used to make the new sign.
https://goo.gl/maps/AGn6rr51raJk8iKN8
405 North approaching the 710. "Left 5 Lanes," yet there are only four through lanes, and the next BGS only points to three.
Quote from: JustDrive on March 10, 2022, 06:50:49 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/AGn6rr51raJk8iKN8
405 North approaching the 710. "Left 5 Lanes," yet there are only four through lanes, and the next BGS only points to three.
I count five. Is the double white line throwing you off?
Quote from: kphoger on March 10, 2022, 08:58:24 PM
Quote from: JustDrive on March 10, 2022, 06:50:49 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/AGn6rr51raJk8iKN8
405 North approaching the 710. “Left 5 Lanes,” yet there are only four through lanes, and the next BGS only points to three.
I count five. Is the double white line throwing you off?
It's probably the signs on the right - because those also threw me off for a good minute. The lane referenced on the "South 710 Long Beach" sign is in fact one of those five 405 through lanes, and it gets away with that because it doesn't have the "only" label that 710 north to Pasadena does.
This is why it's a good thing the current MUTCD does not allow this type of down arrow usage.
Quote from: kphoger on March 10, 2022, 08:58:24 PM
Quote from: JustDrive on March 10, 2022, 06:50:49 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/AGn6rr51raJk8iKN8
405 North approaching the 710. "Left 5 Lanes," yet there are only four through lanes, and the next BGS only points to three.
I count five. Is the double white line throwing you off?
This is a weird one. On signs designed to newer standards (with down arrows), they ignore the HOV lane, but this one counts the HOV lane.
Quote from: kphoger on March 10, 2022, 08:58:24 PMI count five. Is the double white line throwing you off?
The HOV lanes aren't included in the lane count, and the rightmost lane is exit only for 710 North, along with the incoming Pacific Ave on-ramp. Like I said, that sign says 5, yet less than a mile north, the BGS says three through lanes (again, not counting the HOV lane).
Why aren't HOV lanes included? That doesn't make much sense to me. They're lanes.
Legally an HOV lane is usually a separate roadway. Otherwise, laws such as keep right except to pass would prevent usage of the HOV lane as it's meant to be used.
Quote from: ran4sh on March 11, 2022, 03:24:10 PM
Legally an HOV lane is usually a separate roadway. Otherwise, laws such as keep right except to pass would prevent usage of the HOV lane as it's meant to be used.
But what about states/cities whose HOV lanes only have restrictions at certain times of day?
Quote from: kphoger on March 11, 2022, 03:36:27 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on March 11, 2022, 03:24:10 PM
Legally an HOV lane is usually a separate roadway. Otherwise, laws such as keep right except to pass would prevent usage of the HOV lane as it's meant to be used.
But what about states/cities whose HOV lanes only have restrictions at certain times of day?
Here is an example of how Caltrans typically signs a junction which involves HOV lanes:
https://flic.kr/p/TDxUWY
Generally the gantries for the HOV lanes are completely divorced from the general purpose lanes. The issue above is that the sign doesn't separate general use from HOV.
I get that it isn't the usual CalTrans way of signing things. I just have a hard time considering that a "screwup", when the HOV lanes I've actually used (not in California) have been part-time HOV. That is to say, outside of rush hour, they are general traffic lanes.
Here is an example. (https://goo.gl/maps/FXKaEcKbKqGExFMu6) If the two downward-pointing arrows below I-35W were replaced with "LEFT 3 LANES", I wouldn't consider that to be an error. Heck, the lane line is even dashed.
That's just it, I don't think they are ever general purpose.
Example HOV signage on I-405:
https://flic.kr/p/257Rvqr
But to your point, I don't disagree that it isn't a substantial screw up. There are plenty of lane markings at the 405/710 junction indicating the HOV lane.
Quote from: kphoger on March 11, 2022, 03:51:40 PM
Here is an example. (https://goo.gl/maps/FXKaEcKbKqGExFMu6) If the two downward-pointing arrows below I-35W were replaced with "LEFT 3 LANES", I wouldn't consider that to be an error. Heck, the lane line is even dashed.
To your credit, British Columbia does not make any distinction with regard to HOV or general purpose lanes on pull-through signage.
Here is an example (https://goo.gl/maps/XAMc9bqjLBc4zRT38), but all APLs along Hwy 1 are like this; sometimes you see an HOV tab as well, such as
here (https://goo.gl/maps/orrBTJNNafF9oPoK7).
This sort of ambiguity is another reason why "Left 487,364 Lanes" type signage is rarely the right solution to anything.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 11, 2022, 10:08:51 PM
This sort of ambiguity is another reason why "Left 487,364 Lanes" type signage is rarely the right solution to anything.
I agree, but if it were prohibited then it's likely that the locations that do it would simply remove the "left x lanes" legend, leaving a pull-through sign without any lane guidance.
This sign has always bothered me: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.4420033,-119.8077771,3a,75y,271.19h,79.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7oMch-zSOnYDVBEfMxj4NA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
101N at CA-217 in Goleta. The sign indicating that Fairview Ave is upcoming, has an arrow over just the #2 lane (out of 3 total lanes), as if the #3 lane here were an exit only lane for CA-217 (it's clearly not). The Fairview Ave exit obviously exits from the #3 lane, not the middle lane.
It's been like that since I lived there 10-15 years ago. Is it somehow intentional, like they don't want people clogging up the #3 lane too early in preparation for the next exit 1+ miles away? Seems like a stretch.
Other states do a lot worse than that. Such as having a down arrow for thru traffic that points to the left lane, when both the left and right lane are available for thru traffic.
Quote from: ran4sh on March 12, 2022, 07:08:16 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 11, 2022, 10:08:51 PM
This sort of ambiguity is another reason why "Left 487,364 Lanes" type signage is rarely the right solution to anything.
I agree, but if it were prohibited then it's likely that the locations that do it would simply remove the "left x lanes" legend, leaving a pull-through sign without any lane guidance.
That is perfectly fine - it becomes the MUTCD E6-2a pull through sign. In SF Bay Area, most pull through signs do not have arrows.
Sacramento has part time HOV lanes, and there's one pull through sign on I-80 W that treats it as a normal lane.
I think you're missing the point. Yes it is MUTCD-compliant, but it is less useful to drivers than a sign that has lane information on it.
It's a weird holdover, too. Caltrans generally moved away from that. In D8 when NEXT RIGHT or NEXT EXIT greenout fell off, it usually revealed a lane down arrow. CA 60 I think still has one or two of these examples in Moreno Valley.
Quote from: FredAkbar on March 12, 2022, 07:33:37 PM
This sign has always bothered me: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.4420033,-119.8077771,3a,75y,271.19h,79.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7oMch-zSOnYDVBEfMxj4NA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
101N at CA-217 in Goleta. The sign indicating that Fairview Ave is upcoming, has an arrow over just the #2 lane (out of 3 total lanes), as if the #3 lane here were an exit only lane for CA-217 (it's clearly not). The Fairview Ave exit obviously exits from the #3 lane, not the middle lane.
It's been like that since I lived there 10-15 years ago. Is it somehow intentional, like they don't want people clogging up the #3 lane too early in preparation for the next exit 1+ miles away? Seems like a stretch.
My theory is that the sign is a relic from when US-101 was only 2 lanes through there, and after the highway was widened the sign was never moved or updated. Maybe a greenout was placed over the arrow at the time of construction, but knowing Caltrans, whenever the sign was replaced they used the original signing plans.
Quote from: jakeroot on March 11, 2022, 05:04:18 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 11, 2022, 03:51:40 PM
Here is an example. (https://goo.gl/maps/FXKaEcKbKqGExFMu6) If the two downward-pointing arrows below I-35W were replaced with "LEFT 3 LANES", I wouldn't consider that to be an error. Heck, the lane line is even dashed.
To your credit, British Columbia does not make any distinction with regard to HOV or general purpose lanes on pull-through signage. Here is an example (https://goo.gl/maps/XAMc9bqjLBc4zRT38), but all APLs along Hwy 1 are like this; sometimes you see an HOV tab as well, such as here (https://goo.gl/maps/orrBTJNNafF9oPoK7).
On an unrelated note, I like how they have the A & B slightly smaller than the numbers on the exit tabs. I think it's much more understandable that way.
Quote from: plain on March 14, 2022, 01:29:27 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on March 11, 2022, 05:04:18 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 11, 2022, 03:51:40 PM
Here is an example. (https://goo.gl/maps/FXKaEcKbKqGExFMu6) If the two downward-pointing arrows below I-35W were replaced with "LEFT 3 LANES", I wouldn't consider that to be an error. Heck, the lane line is even dashed.
To your credit, British Columbia does not make any distinction with regard to HOV or general purpose lanes on pull-through signage. Here is an example (https://goo.gl/maps/XAMc9bqjLBc4zRT38), but all APLs along Hwy 1 are like this; sometimes you see an HOV tab as well, such as here (https://goo.gl/maps/orrBTJNNafF9oPoK7).
On an unrelated note, I like how they have the A & B slightly smaller than the numbers on the exit tabs. I think it's much more understandable that way.
Yeah, I always thought that was neat. BC has quite a few unique aspects to their signage, typical of Canadian provinces. They also like to use interpuncts rather than hyphens, which I've not seen elsewhere.
I'm surprised no one mentioned the one-time sign goof of CA 152 being signed as Interstate 152: http://www.kurumi.com/roads/3di/ix52.html. Of course, that was over 20 years ago, but it would qualify as my favorite Caltrans screwup.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 14, 2022, 03:20:53 PM
I'm surprised no one mentioned the one-time sign goof of CA 152 being signed as Interstate 152: http://www.kurumi.com/roads/3di/ix52.html. Of course, that was over 20 years ago, but it would qualify as my favorite Caltrans screwup.
Wait, how am I just now finding out there's a town in California named "restrooms"?
Quote from: kphoger on March 14, 2022, 03:22:21 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 14, 2022, 03:20:53 PM
I'm surprised no one mentioned the one-time sign goof of CA 152 being signed as Interstate 152: http://www.kurumi.com/roads/3di/ix52.html. Of course, that was over 20 years ago, but it would qualify as my favorite Caltrans screwup.
Wait, how am I just now finding out there's a town in California named "restrooms"?
Accurate name too, not many places to stop on 152 west from there until Casa de Fruita.
Well, the town itself translates it as "the baths" (besides omitting the tilde). I guess that's accurate, but I'm not a native speaker.
Usually stopped there for the bathroom and a burger though.
Quote from: ClassicHasClass on March 15, 2022, 06:24:29 PM
Well, the town itself translates it as "the baths" (besides omitting the tilde). I guess that's accurate, but I'm not a native speaker.
Usually stopped there for the bathroom and a burger though.
The food options in Los Banos are surprisingly varied. I never really found Pacheco Boulevard (CA 152/CA 33) to be as big of a traffic pain as it is often made out to be. I can think of many far worse places to stop for a meal or just to take a break.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 15, 2022, 06:30:55 PM
Quote from: ClassicHasClass on March 15, 2022, 06:24:29 PM
Well, the town itself translates it as "the baths" (besides omitting the tilde). I guess that's accurate, but I'm not a native speaker.
Usually stopped there for the bathroom and a burger though.
The food options in Los Banos are surprisingly varied. I never really found Pacheco Boulevard (CA 152/CA 33) to be as big of a traffic pain as it is often made out to be. I can think of many far worse places to stop for a meal or just to take a break.
And a bit farther north, there's Manteca (Lard). Many towns got their odd names from recording or post office establishment errors way back when but for others, what would have inspired the name can be a fascinating read.
Quote from: heynow415 on March 16, 2022, 12:57:29 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 15, 2022, 06:30:55 PM
Quote from: ClassicHasClass on March 15, 2022, 06:24:29 PM
Well, the town itself translates it as "the baths" (besides omitting the tilde). I guess that's accurate, but I'm not a native speaker.
Usually stopped there for the bathroom and a burger though.
The food options in Los Banos are surprisingly varied. I never really found Pacheco Boulevard (CA 152/CA 33) to be as big of a traffic pain as it is often made out to be. I can think of many far worse places to stop for a meal or just to take a break.
And a bit farther north, there's Manteca (Lard). Many towns got their odd names from recording or post office establishment errors way back when but for others, what would have inspired the name can be a fascinating read.
Rail sidings can have very interesting place name origins. My favorite in the area is Modesto which is a play on "Modesty" given the guy the Southern Pacific wanted name the place after refused the honor.
Quote from: heynow415 on March 16, 2022, 12:57:29 PM
And a bit farther north, there's Manteca (Lard). Many towns got their odd names from recording or post office establishment errors way back when but for others, what would have inspired the name can be a fascinating read.
Yep. "Manteca" was a misspelling by the Central Pacific Railroad.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 14, 2022, 03:20:53 PM
I'm surprised no one mentioned the one-time sign goof of CA 152 being signed as Interstate 152: http://www.kurumi.com/roads/3di/ix52.html. Of course, that was over 20 years ago, but it would qualify as my favorite Caltrans screwup.
That's funny. La Jolla Parkway once had a BGS directing people to I-52. It has since been corrected. But of course, that wasn't Caltrans. https://pbase.com/pderocco/image/84182708 (https://pbase.com/pderocco/image/84182708)
(EDIT: it's satire, this sign is indeed from Utah, sorry)
Come onnnnn Caltrans, it's like you're not even trying :-)
I see this abomination every day on Moffett Boulevard (no, that's not true)
(https://i.imgur.com/Mz2BEDW.png)
Quote from: kurumi on March 23, 2022, 01:55:23 PM
Come onnnnn Caltrans, it's like you're not even trying :-)
I see this abomination every day on Moffett Boulevard (no, that's not true)
(https://i.imgur.com/Mz2BEDW.png)
Where on Moffett Boulevard? Fair chance that's the military responsible that mess.
There is some pretty alien looking US 101 signage departing Moffett Field on Moffett Boulevard southbound. The military in general has some fascinatingly weird signage that tends to get posted on their properties pretty much nationwide.
Quote from: kurumi on March 23, 2022, 01:55:23 PM
Come onnnnn Caltrans, it's like you're not even trying :-)
I see this abomination every day on Moffett Boulevard (no, that's not true)
(https://i.imgur.com/Mz2BEDW.png)
Did you post the correct image? I never been to the west coast but I'm certain CA doesn't use yellow signal housings and that's obviously a UT state route on the street blade...
Quote from: plain on March 23, 2022, 03:20:47 PM
Quote from: kurumi on March 23, 2022, 01:55:23 PM
Come onnnnn Caltrans, it's like you're not even trying :-)
I see this abomination every day on Moffett Boulevard (no, that's not true)
(https://i.imgur.com/Mz2BEDW.png)
Did you post the correct image? I never been to the west coast but I'm certain CA doesn't use yellow signal housings and that's obviously a UT state route on the street blade...
That's the joke, y'all. UT-85 is the Mountain View corridor, and CA-85 goes through the city of Mountain View (and uses it as a control city).
Quote from: DTComposer on March 23, 2022, 03:36:54 PM
Quote from: plain on March 23, 2022, 03:20:47 PM
Quote from: kurumi on March 23, 2022, 01:55:23 PM
Come onnnnn Caltrans, it's like you're not even trying :-)
I see this abomination every day on Moffett Boulevard (no, that's not true)
(https://i.imgur.com/Mz2BEDW.png)
Did you post the correct image? I never been to the west coast but I'm certain CA doesn't use yellow signal housings and that's obviously a UT state route on the street blade...
That's the joke, y'all. UT-85 is the Mountain View corridor, and CA-85 goes through the city of Mountain View (and uses it as a control city).
The interesting thing is that the 101 signage (very Washington State feeling) on Moffett Boulevard made it feel plausible:
https://goo.gl/maps/Hp4N5ugvdaU3yTFKA
Having worked out there a couple times it wouldn't have surprised me if the Moffett Field had some weird home brew signage erected. It totally would be in keeping with other Federal/Military properties I have worked on.
Quote from: DTComposer on March 23, 2022, 03:36:54 PM
Quote from: plain on March 23, 2022, 03:20:47 PM
Quote from: kurumi on March 23, 2022, 01:55:23 PM
Come onnnnn Caltrans, it's like you're not even trying :-)
I see this abomination every day on Moffett Boulevard (no, that's not true)
(https://i.imgur.com/Mz2BEDW.png)
Did you post the correct image? I never been to the west coast but I'm certain CA doesn't use yellow signal housings and that's obviously a UT state route on the street blade...
That's the joke, y'all. UT-85 is the Mountain View corridor, and CA-85 goes through the city of Mountain View (and uses it as a control city).
Oooops!! :-D :spin:
This is my current favorite:
https://goo.gl/maps/Hav5i8YJzEnA92ck7
The implication being I-680 north only continues in the left-most lane, while the next three lanes take some un-named route towards Benicia and Sacramento.
(This is replicated in the other direction using I-680 south, Walnut Creek and San Jose).
Quote from: plain on March 23, 2022, 03:20:47 PM
Quote from: kurumi on March 23, 2022, 01:55:23 PM
Come onnnnn Caltrans, it's like you're not even trying :-)
I see this abomination every day on Moffett Boulevard (no, that's not true)
(https://i.imgur.com/Mz2BEDW.png)
Did you post the correct image? I never been to the west coast but I'm certain CA doesn't use yellow signal housings and that's obviously a UT state route on the street blade...
It's from Utah. The state route 85 to Mountain View in UT and CA is a coincidence and led to a satirical post
Satire often doesn't seem to work on this forum...
On a more serious note, it looks like that "w" is a different font from the rest of the sign. This is not totally unprecedented in Utah (check out "12300" on this sign on I-15 (https://goo.gl/maps/uMB1RhGVbDbEe9tE6)) but looks really weird once you notice it.
It's not really a screw-up but just a really incongruous sign. https://goo.gl/maps/b85xN56nNdkof1oe6 It's on "the" 205 westbound at the west end of Tracy. I remember chuckling about this as a kid (many, many years ago) coming back from visiting family in Sacramento, and still do when I occasionally pass through. Despite what it implies, there is nothing for miles (especially in those days) and certainly no Hollywood sign, Sunset Blvd, Capitol Records building, Warner Bros. studios, Tommy's Burgers, Griffith Park or any semblance of an urban downtown.
Since there is no direct ramp from 205 west to 580 east (actually southeast) back towards I-5 south, you would need to get off here and travel about a mile south on the surface road to get to 580 enroute to LA. The button copy original has since been replaced with a exit-tabbed sign and changed to "next exit" https://goo.gl/maps/pHMwF3xWCfzfDcfK6. It's definitely gotten built up out there but LA is still not at the end of the Exit 2 ramp.
Quote from: DTComposer on March 23, 2022, 04:19:11 PM
This is my current favorite:
https://goo.gl/maps/Hav5i8YJzEnA92ck7
The implication being I-680 north only continues in the left-most lane, while the next three lanes take some un-named route towards Benicia and Sacramento.
(This is replicated in the other direction using I-680 south, Walnut Creek and San Jose).
The layout of the sign leaves a lot to be desired, but I don't look at the sign and come to that same conclusion.
The signage for CA-111 in Indio and points southeast. If not for this forum I would have no clue exactly where it's routed.
Quote from: roadfro on March 24, 2022, 12:03:34 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on March 23, 2022, 04:19:11 PM
This is my current favorite:
https://goo.gl/maps/Hav5i8YJzEnA92ck7
The implication being I-680 north only continues in the left-most lane, while the next three lanes take some un-named route towards Benicia and Sacramento.
(This is replicated in the other direction using I-680 south, Walnut Creek and San Jose).
The layout of the sign leaves a lot to be desired, but I don't look at the sign and come to that same conclusion.
I don't either, but that's mostly because I know non-APL signs are rarely designed so that separate movements appear on the same physical sign panel. A driver who doesn't grok fine details like that could easily incorrectly assign significance to the way the shield and direction is aligned over the arrow and the ocean of green space to the right of it.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 26, 2022, 11:35:11 PM
Quote from: roadfro on March 24, 2022, 12:03:34 PM
Quote from: DTComposer on March 23, 2022, 04:19:11 PM
This is my current favorite:
https://goo.gl/maps/Hav5i8YJzEnA92ck7
The implication being I-680 north only continues in the left-most lane, while the next three lanes take some un-named route towards Benicia and Sacramento.
(This is replicated in the other direction using I-680 south, Walnut Creek and San Jose).
The layout of the sign leaves a lot to be desired, but I don't look at the sign and come to that same conclusion.
I don't either, but that's mostly because I know non-APL signs are rarely designed so that separate movements appear on the same physical sign panel. A driver who doesn't grok fine details like that could easily incorrectly assign significance to the way the shield and direction is aligned over the arrow and the ocean of green space to the right of it.
On top of what you guys are saying, I don't like the dancing arrow being so close to the other like that.
That assembly definitely should be APL'd.
Quote from: djsekani on March 26, 2022, 01:46:39 PM
The signage for CA-111 in Indio and points southeast. If not for this forum I would have no clue exactly where it's routed.
I know the Salton Sea was a big tourist destination at one time, but it makes no sense to me why two state highways (111 and 86) simply parallel each other for miles going SE out of the Coachella Valley with no access to each other, except for 62nd Ave. Couldn't a junction occur just NW of Mecca with one highway truncating at the other, and CA-111 north of this being relinquished?
Quote from: RZF on March 27, 2022, 10:39:36 PM
Quote from: djsekani on March 26, 2022, 01:46:39 PM
The signage for CA-111 in Indio and points southeast. If not for this forum I would have no clue exactly where it's routed.
I know the Salton Sea was a big tourist destination at one time, but it makes no sense to me why two state highways (111 and 86) simply parallel each other for miles going SE out of the Coachella Valley with no access to each other, except for 62nd Ave. Couldn't a junction occur just NW of Mecca with one highway truncating at the other, and CA-111 north of this being relinquished?
I don't understand why parallel roads need to be connected when one is designed for high speed traffic. CA 86 is an expressway between I-10 and the Salton Sea which bypasses the smaller communities of Coachella, Thermal, and Mecca. Drivers can easily go between the two highways on several local roads like Dillon Rd, Avenue 50, Airport Rd, and the recently upgraded 66th Av.
CA 111 is also the only state highway connecting the Coachella Valley cities of Palm Springs to Indio and is the main connection for drivers from Palm Springs to the Inland Empire and LA. I live in Palm Springs. I don't think PS or any other Coachella Valley city would appreciate losing CA 111.
Quote from: skluth on March 28, 2022, 01:36:06 PM
CA 111 is also the only state highway connecting the Coachella Valley cities of Palm Springs to Indio and is the main connection for drivers from Palm Springs to the Inland Empire and LA. I live in Palm Springs. I don't think PS or any other Coachella Valley city would appreciate losing CA 111.
Technically the only part of 111 through the Coachella Valley cities that is still state highway is the section in Palm Springs. Everything else east and south to Highway 86 has been relinquished to local cities.
Despite this, the relinquished portions are still signed as "Highway 111" as the street name in most of these cities. There'd be a lot of cost in redoing business addresses if the relinquishment was finally acknowledged and the road got a different name or names in those cities. But with such a large gap between the western and eastern portions of 111, it somewhat makes sense to renumber the western stub as something other than 111, particularly given how that section runs more east-to-west than the north-south section from the Salton Sea to the border. Or to keep the 111 name and number in the Coachella Valley as a sort of historical/fictional highway name but renumber the Salton Sea to the border section as something else (195?).
I believe Caltrans policy is to use the lowest unused number when adding a new state highway designation. If that's true, it would be CA 21.
Quote from: Occidental Tourist on March 28, 2022, 06:42:23 PM
Quote from: skluth on March 28, 2022, 01:36:06 PM
CA 111 is also the only state highway connecting the Coachella Valley cities of Palm Springs to Indio and is the main connection for drivers from Palm Springs to the Inland Empire and LA. I live in Palm Springs. I don't think PS or any other Coachella Valley city would appreciate losing CA 111.
Technically the only part of 111 through the Coachella Valley cities that is still state highway is the section in Palm Springs. Everything else east and south to Highway 86 has been relinquished to local cities.
Despite this, the relinquished portions are still signed as “Highway 111” as the street name in most of these cities. There’d be a lot of cost in redoing business addresses if the relinquishment was finally acknowledged and the road got a different name or names in those cities. But with such a large gap between the western and eastern portions of 111, it somewhat makes sense to renumber the western stub as something other than 111, particularly given how that section runs more east-to-west than the north-south section from the Salton Sea to the border. Or to keep the 111 name and number in the Coachella Valley as a sort of historical/fictional highway name but renumber the Salton Sea to the border section as something else (195?).
I had a similar idea that I posted a number of years ago on the Fictional Forum. Basically assigning one number (86) for the main Indio-Calexico route (that is largely expressway) and reassign all other sections of 111 and 86 accordingly. Part and pacel with that is separating the 111 along the east side of Salton from the Palm Canyon-Cathedral City-Indio rounting, which should have a separate number.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=11063.msg263399#msg263399
This post is back from 2013. So while Caltrans has done a few things to make things clearer, like decomissioning 195, I think they still have a long way to go to make sensible numbered corridors in this section.
It would also be nice if the PS - indio section of current (decomissioned) 111 actually had a distinct name. (Maybe Desert Blvd). IF the highway is decomissioned, why are we still referring to it as "Highway 111."
There is an errant "50 zone ahead" sign on US-101 in San Francisco, just north of the I-280 interchange: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7423178,-122.4068587,3a,75y,18.17h,90.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s80CoX7uALyP8vUFNI4gy4Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
This is fairly new, as it wasn't there in the previous (2019) Google maps images--I had to wait for the updated one to be posted so I could post it here.
The sign doesn't make sense, as the speed limit is already 50mph at that point. It's marked as such on 101 just before the Alemany exit (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7327637,-122.405173,3a,75y,320.66h,89.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-kd8cur55TkwLEB5aGgn8Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), and the sign isn't even a (late) warning to the merging traffic from 280, since that onramp has its own "speed limit 50" sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7374158,-122.4075472,3a,60y,343.22h,83.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_1Ahut6c7kPcvg3xPi0BlA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), before that point.
Quote from: FredAkbar on July 05, 2022, 01:50:01 AM
There is an errant "50 zone ahead" sign on US-101 in San Francisco, just north of the I-280 interchange: https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7423178,-122.4068587,3a,75y,18.17h,90.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s80CoX7uALyP8vUFNI4gy4Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
This is fairly new, as it wasn't there in the previous (2019) Google maps images--I had to wait for the updated one to be posted so I could post it here.
The sign doesn't make sense, as the speed limit is already 50mph at that point. It's marked as such on 101 just before the Alemany exit (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7327637,-122.405173,3a,75y,320.66h,89.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-kd8cur55TkwLEB5aGgn8Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), and the sign isn't even a (late) warning to the merging traffic from 280, since that onramp has its own "speed limit 50" sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7374158,-122.4075472,3a,60y,343.22h,83.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_1Ahut6c7kPcvg3xPi0BlA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), before that point.
I wonder if this was installed as part of the Alemany Maze reconstruction project in 2020 (though with the limit actually going down to 50 earlier on 101 north, it is still redundant at best!).