I always felt like every state's highway 1, should be something grand and cool, something representative of the state. Does your state's highway 1 fit that description?
Colorado's, i feel doesn't. it's about a 10 mile stretch of road from north Fort Collins to Wellington, that more or less stairsteps on county roads. Wellington is a largely unremarkable town. I think CO 1 might have been something more back in the day, but not so much now.
Tell us about your state's highway 1.
Washington does not have a Highway 1. Its place in the numbering grid is occupied by US 101, which is important in its own right but not of top billing.
Until 1964, its Highway 1 was appropriately the main north-south corridor west of the Cascades, later part of US 99 and now replaced by I-5.
Major highway in NC that runs from Henderson through Wake Forest, Raleigh, Sanford, and Rockingham.
I live in Ontario and we have never had a Highway 1, though we do have the Highway 401 which is the most important and grand highway in the province.
The 401 is the busiest highway in North America.
I've always heard that OK-1 is numbered as such because it was considered the most scenic highway in the system, but I don't know if that's true or just a bit of roadgeek legend.
Indiana State Road 1 is split into two sections with the longer piece being 138 miles (I-275 near Lawrenceburg to I-469/US 33 near Fort Wayne) and the shorter piece being only 41 miles (I-69 in Fort Wayne to US 20 near Angola). Is it important in Indiana? No.
Ohio State Route 1 has been decommissioned back in 1965 for present-day I-71, I-271, and I-90.
Most Canadian provinces that have an highway 1 (BC, AB, SK, MB, PEI, NL) have them as part of the Trans-Canada highway. New Brunswick and Nova Scotia are the two exceptions, though their 1s are still long highways.
As for the territories (Yukon and NWT), both their highways numbered 1 are major, with Yukon's acting as *the* road connection between Alaska and the rest of North America.
Other than US 1, which is the longest US route in the US, I would say that Delaware's Route 1 is very important as it is one of the main north south arteries through Delaware. It begins at the Maryland border and connects the beach towns and turns towards Dover becoming the relief route and goes all the way to Wilmington.
NY only has US 1, which is barely navigable through the City due to lousy signage.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on March 12, 2022, 07:12:57 AM
Other than US 1, which is the longest north-south US route in the US,
FTFY
MN 1 is the state's longest state highway, running from the Lake Superior cliffs to the ND border. Despite that, it's not really a good route to get from point A to point B and arguably could be broken up into 3 or 4 different numbers. As far as geological landscapes go, it's a good cross section of what the state has to offer: Lake Superior, Boundary Waters, northern forests, boredom, western Minnesota farmland.
No Highway 1 in Wisconsin. I think it should be the expressway portion of WI-29 between I-94 and I-41 leaving two WI-29s at either end.
OH 1: went from hero (second Ohio Turnpike between Cincinnati to Conneaut via Columbus and Cleveland) to zero (not existing at all after the interstates).
This designation is actually the second one for OH 1. The first one was before the US routes, when OH 1 was signed on the state's portion of the National Road. That became US 40 later on.
Utah hasn't had a highway 1 since 1977, when the state eliminated its system of unsigned internal legislative designations. SR 1 was the hidden state route that covered I-15. Before the interstates, it was assigned to US 91. There hasn't been a signed state highway 1 in Utah since the US system was first signed.
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on March 12, 2022, 04:46:25 AM
Ohio State Route 1 has been decommissioned back in 1965 for present-day I-71, I-271, and I-90.
Though in a previous life, it followed the National Rd (before US routes came to be)
Montana 1, formerly US 10 ALT, is a beautiful drive and a nice alternative for I-90 between Drummond and Anaconda if you're not in a hurry. It shows off the mountainous terrain that covers the western 1/3rd of the state.
North Dakota 1 is a fairly important north-south highway in eastern part of the state, running from the SD border to the Canadian border. The terrain is the typical ND rolling prairies, and the highway goes through a number of typical small towns.
Virginia has only US 1, which is almost completely overtaken in importance by I-85 & I-95. The only portion that has any merit left as it's own routing is the stretch north of Lorton. The rest of it does provide the obvious alternate when I-95 gets jammed up though, which happens a lot.
I agree with BlueOutback7 on the importance of DE 1 for Delaware. That just might be the best example for this thread.
I wonder if I've ever written anything for CA 1?
https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/05/paper-highways-california-state-route-1.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/02/california-state-route-1-cabrillo.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2019/11/historic-highway-alignments-in.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2019/06/california-state-route-1-from.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2019/02/california-state-route-1-tom-lantos.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2018/08/california-state-route-1-in-big-sur-mud.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2018/07/shield-of-day-california-state-route-1.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2018/03/california-state-route-1-exploring-big.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2017/12/challenger-adventures-in-coast-ranges.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2017/10/big-sur-slide-spectactular-part-5-new.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2017/08/california-state-route-1big-sur.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2017/11/november-bay-area-trip-part-7.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/02/california-state-route-1-shoreline.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/02/california-state-route-1-shoreline_11.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/02/california-state-route-1-shoreline_14.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/02/the-original-alignment-of-california.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/07/former-california-state-route-1-over.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/08/former-alignments-of-california-state.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2022/02/los-alamitos-traffic-circle-current.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/11/the-legislative-route-gaps-of-us-route.html?m=1
https://www.gribblenation.org/2021/08/former-us-route-101-along-santa-barbara.html?m=1
Quote from: SEWIGuy on March 12, 2022, 11:00:36 AM
No Highway 1 in Wisconsin. I think it should be the expressway portion of WI-29 between I-94 and I-41 leaving two WI-29s at either end.
I always thought it interesting that there are no single digit state routes in Wisconsin. Only US 2 and US 8.
Iowa's highway 1 (http://iowahighways.org/highways/iowa1-9.html#1) goes through Iowa City, which was Iowa's first state capital, but that's the only city it serves with a population of over 10,000. (The original Primary Road 1 in 1920 was for the Jefferson Highway, which became US 65 in 1926; IA 1 was then assigned to part of the former Primary Road 11.)
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on March 12, 2022, 04:40:58 AM
Indiana State Road 1 is split into two sections with the longer piece being 138 miles (I-275 near Lawrenceburg to I-469/US 33 near Fort Wayne) and the shorter piece being only 41 miles (I-69 in Fort Wayne to US 20 near Angola). Is it important in Indiana? No.
Important? No. Representative of the state? Yes. It goes through a town called Farmland. It doesn't get much more representative than that.
Quote from: skluth on March 12, 2022, 12:52:03 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on March 12, 2022, 11:00:36 AM
No Highway 1 in Wisconsin. I think it should be the expressway portion of WI-29 between I-94 and I-41 leaving two WI-29s at either end.
I always thought it interesting that there are no single digit state routes in Wisconsin. Only US 2 and US 8.
I thought so there would be no elite status for any highway.
Michigan's M-1, Woodward Avenue, between Detroit and Pontiac is fairly representative, although now it's mostly urban. It is "Detroit's Main Street" and was Michigan's first paved road. Also supposedly has the dubious distinction of being the first road (in the US?) for which a police citation was written for drag racing, in March 1895.
Nevada's SR 1 was US 40. US 40 had already been designated when Nevada decided to give highways official state numbering, at least on its maps (there may have been an official designation earlier). The US 40/NV 1 designation appears on the state's 1929 highway map (https://www.dot.nv.gov/home/showdocument?id=1187). With the 1939 map (https://www.dot.nv.gov/home/showdocument?id=1201), the NV 1 designation is removed and the highway is designated only US 40.
That road, more or less paralleling the Transcontinental Railroad, was probably the most important long distance route in the state when designated, particularly since Las Vegas wasn't a population center. Most of the other major long distance route, US 50, was designated NV 2 for that same time period.
Illinois 1 is the longest route in the state, so you could definitely argue its deserving of the number 1. It runs north-south along the eastern edge of the state from Chicago to Cave-in-Rock.
Indiana 1 at the very least represents its state highway numbering system, which mirrors that of the US highway numbering system; north-south routes are odd numbers that increase as you go west, and east-west routes are even numbers that increase as you go south. It's a long north-south route in the eastern part of the state.
No Highway 1 at any level in Arizona, with the possible exception of Reservation "Indian Routes," many of which are not signed in the field. Most non-Interstate highway numbers are greater than 60. AZ 24 and the future AZ 30 are the only exceptions that I can think of. AFAIK, the only single-digit county highway is Coconino CR 3, which was the former NFH 3 south of Flagstaff.
Quote from: Big John on March 12, 2022, 01:27:24 PM
Quote from: skluth on March 12, 2022, 12:52:03 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on March 12, 2022, 11:00:36 AM
No Highway 1 in Wisconsin. I think it should be the expressway portion of WI-29 between I-94 and I-41 leaving two WI-29s at either end.
I always thought it interesting that there are no single digit state routes in Wisconsin. Only US 2 and US 8.
I thought so there would be no elite status for any highway.
When numbers were introduced they just numbered them longest to shortest. All two digits perhaps because it lead to more consistent signage.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on March 12, 2022, 11:00:36 AM
No Highway 1 in Wisconsin. I think it should be the expressway portion of WI-29 between I-94 and I-41 leaving two WI-29s at either end.
The lowest state numbered highway in Wisconsin is WI 11, a relatively minor east-west road across the far southern part of the state.
The lowest numbered US highway in Wisconsin (US 2, especially the western section) has some parts with AADTs in the double digits - hardly worthy of upgrading to a full interstate.
As for WI 29. I consider it most likely that if the road is ever 'promoted', it will most likely to become something like an eastward extension of 'US 212'.
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Louisiana's 1 is close to representative of the state although it doesn't go through Baton Rouge (close!) or New Orleans. It's the longest route of any type in the state and goes from the LA/TX/AR tri-point all the way to Grand Isle in the Gulf (although this must look pretty terrible right now after it got destroyed by Hurricane Ida last year).
It's the main thoroughfare through Shreveport, Natchitoches, and Alexandria (somewhat). Natchitoches is the oldest settlement in all of the Louisiana Purchase (1714). LA 1 also goes though some other decent sized cities, some very Louisiana in character- Marksville, New Roads, Port Allen, Donaldsonville, Thibodaux.
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In Kansas, K-1 is a short connector from US 160/US 183 just south of Coldwater to the Oklahoma state line, where it becomes SH 34. It was originally much longer, but much of the mileage later became part of US 183.
In New Mexico, NM 1 was the original number from 1912 for what later became US 85. It has since been revived for a segment of former US 85 between Truth and Consequences and Soccoro that was bypassed by I-25. This allows NMDOT to avoid posting US 85 anywhere in New Mexico. The original NM 1 followed El Camino Real, which was the most important north-south overland route in territorial days, and may have been the longest state highway numbered in 1912. (I've never run across a document that states explicitly that routes were numbered from longest to shortest, but NM 2 and NM 3 were also very long.)
Texas has several Route 1s--NASA 1 and Ranch Road 1--but has not had a SH 1 since 1952 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_Texas_state_highways#SH_1). Formally it is now a vest-pocket designation held by the Texas Transportation Commission and the TxDOT director, but it has effectively been retired. At its greatest extent, SH 1 ran diagonally from El Paso to Texarkana, so it was a worthy Route 1.
Quote from: bassoon1986 on March 13, 2022, 12:28:19 AM
Louisiana's 1 is close to representative of the state although it doesn't go through Baton Rouge (close!) or New Orleans. It's the longest route of any type in the state and goes from the LA/TX/AR tri-point all the way to Grand Isle in the Gulf (although this must look pretty terrible right now after it got destroyed by Hurricane Ida last year).
It's the main thoroughfare through Shreveport, Natchitoches, and Alexandria (somewhat). Natchitoches is the oldest settlement in all of the Louisiana Purchase (1714). LA 1 also goes though some other decent sized cities, some very Louisiana in character- Marksville, New Roads, Port Allen, Donaldsonville, Thibodaux.
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Didn't LA 1 go through New Orleans (and end at Buras-Boothville) in a previous life?
Alabama 1 is a unsigned multiplex with US-431 from the AL/TN line to Dothan.
Quote from: cwf1701 on March 13, 2022, 02:27:30 PM
Alabama 1 is a unsigned multiplex with US-431 from the AL/TN line to Dothan.
Right across the border from Georgia 1, which serves the exact same purpose except on US 27 and it's signed.
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on March 13, 2022, 12:05:54 PM
Quote from: bassoon1986 on March 13, 2022, 12:28:19 AM
Louisiana's 1 is close to representative of the state although it doesn't go through Baton Rouge (close!) or New Orleans. It's the longest route of any type in the state and goes from the LA/TX/AR tri-point all the way to Grand Isle in the Gulf (although this must look pretty terrible right now after it got destroyed by Hurricane Ida last year).
It's the main thoroughfare through Shreveport, Natchitoches, and Alexandria (somewhat). Natchitoches is the oldest settlement in all of the Louisiana Purchase (1714). LA 1 also goes though some other decent sized cities, some very Louisiana in character- Marksville, New Roads, Port Allen, Donaldsonville, Thibodaux.
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Didn't LA 1 go through New Orleans (and end at Buras-Boothville) in a previous life?
Yes! I didn't even think of that. The old Jefferson Highway. That was probably the best representation. The coast to New Orleans, following the old river road to Baton Rouge, old alignments of Current US 71 past Alexandria before snaking over from Natchitoches to Mansfield and then to Shreveport where it hopped on the Dixie Overland Highway into Texas.
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Minnesota's original Constitutional Route 1 was (well, still is, but unsigned for ~90 years) similarly a good cross-section of eastern Minnesota starting at the Iowa border south of Albert Lea, running north through farmland to the Twin Cities, eastern forests, brushing the St. Louis River Valley, Duluth and Lake Superior's North Shore. It roughly correlates to I-35 and MN 61 today, with pieces of other routes like MN 23 in Sandstone and MN 210/MN 45 through Carlton included.
If the designation as the first numerical highway is representative of anything, KY 1 certainly doesn't count. The southern portion of it is a rural route through Carter and Lawrence counties. It ends at KY 3, which is an old alignment of US 23, meaning that it could theoretically have been a through route between the county seats of Louisa and Grayson. The portion between Grayson and Greenup has been supplanted as the primary route by I-64 and the new KY 67 (Industrial Parkway).
What's more, KY 1 isn't even the state's easternmost north-south route. The entireties of both KY 3 and KY 5 are east of KY 1. The most important easternmost Kentucky state route, end to end, is probably KY 15, and the westernmost 45 or so miles have been replaced for through traffic by the Mountain Parkway.
I'd say Florida SR A1A (formerly SR 1) is for the most part very representative of Florida.
For WI-1 I nominate US-151 between I-39/90/94 and US-14 in Madison. 151 would just be rerouted onto the freeways bypassing the city.
Quote from: cwf1701 on March 13, 2022, 02:27:30 PM
Alabama 1 is a unsigned multiplex with US-431 from the AL/TN line to Dothan.
And past the end of US 431, AL 1 continues on US 231 to the FL line
I see someone already mentioned LA 1..which I always enjoyed when I lived in Louisiana...it's the longest state highway, goes from the far Northwest corner down to the gulf...just barely missing thee capital and largest cities....but very much hitting tons of "Louisiana" towns.
I am actually kind of disappointed that we don't have an actual SH 1 here in Texas... Nasa Road 1 doesn't really count--the closest we actually have are Loop 1 in Austin, and RM 1...but that's a secondary.
I think a good SH 1 would be a renumber of SH 6 and Sh 16...from Galveston up to the OK BORDER...or just a renumber of SH 16
Georgia's is just a largely-signed concurrency with US 27 (yawn), which never was an especially important link in the state's highway network. Savannah to Chattanooga via Macon and Atlanta would've made more sense.
Quote from: Tom958 on March 15, 2022, 06:14:47 AM
Georgia's is just a largely-signed concurrency with US 27 (yawn), which never was an especially important link in the state's highway network. Savannah to Chattanooga via Macon and Atlanta would've made more sense.
Eh, it does make some sense - most of GA's low numbers are on fairly major through routes and tend to follow a rough grid system where N/S routes are odd numbers increasing to the east and E/W routes are evens increasing to the south. US 27 is the westernmost major N/S corridor in the state.
US 1 is fine for a US highway passing through, but it really should take it's od route through Boston and not tag along I-93.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 15, 2022, 05:24:24 PM
US 1 is fine for a US highway passing through, but it really should take it's od route through Boston and not tag along I-93.
Typically US routes take the quickest and most efficient route from one place along them to another. If that route happens to be duplexed with an interstate, so be it.
Quote from: kkt on March 15, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 15, 2022, 05:24:24 PM
US 1 is fine for a US highway passing through, but it really should take it's od route through Boston and not tag along I-93.
Typically US routes take the quickest and most efficient route from one place along them to another. If that route happens to be duplexed with an interstate, so be it.
If that was the case US 1 would just be I-95.
Quote from: kkt on March 15, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 15, 2022, 05:24:24 PM
US 1 is fine for a US highway passing through, but it really should take it's od route through Boston and not tag along I-93.
Typically US routes take the quickest and most efficient route from one place along them to another. If that route happens to be duplexed with an interstate, so be it.
This is generally not true in a lot of eastern states. Have fun telling anyone US 41 or US 17 is the most efficient route between any two Georgia cities more than a few miles apart along them. Or US 11 anywhere south of Harrisburg. Out here US highways generally stay on the old routes that got bypassed by parallel interstates.
Some states do tend to move more US routes onto interstates than others. AL and NC come to mind in that regard. But I think there's only one I/US concurrency in the entire state of Georgia, for example, and that's there because I-20 got built more or less right on top of US 278 between Conyers and Covington.
Quote from: kkt on March 15, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 15, 2022, 05:24:24 PM
US 1 is fine for a US highway passing through, but it really should take it's od route through Boston and not tag along I-93.
Typically US routes take the quickest and most efficient route from one place along them to another. If that route happens to be duplexed with an interstate, so be it.
Duplexing is stupid since you don't get any benefit from calling the same piece of road several names. Its better to have the US system as a distinct set of roads so that continuous alternate routing to an interstate exist in the event of closure, etc.
Quote from: HighwayStar on March 15, 2022, 06:54:18 PM
Quote from: kkt on March 15, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 15, 2022, 05:24:24 PM
US 1 is fine for a US highway passing through, but it really should take it's od route through Boston and not tag along I-93.
Typically US routes take the quickest and most efficient route from one place along them to another. If that route happens to be duplexed with an interstate, so be it.
Duplexing is stupid since you don't get any benefit from calling the same piece of road several names. Its better to have the US system as a distinct set of roads so that continuous alternate routing to an interstate exist in the event of closure, etc.
You get the guidance that you are on an efficient route to your destination, which is what the route signs are for.
I like what they did with US 395 south of Reno, where I-580 was built parallel: I-580 was signed along with US 395 on the freeway, and the old surface route was signed Alt 395.
Quote from: kkt on March 16, 2022, 12:43:38 AM
Quote from: HighwayStar on March 15, 2022, 06:54:18 PM
Quote from: kkt on March 15, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 15, 2022, 05:24:24 PM
US 1 is fine for a US highway passing through, but it really should take it's od route through Boston and not tag along I-93.
Typically US routes take the quickest and most efficient route from one place along them to another. If that route happens to be duplexed with an interstate, so be it.
Duplexing is stupid since you don't get any benefit from calling the same piece of road several names. Its better to have the US system as a distinct set of roads so that continuous alternate routing to an interstate exist in the event of closure, etc.
You get the guidance that you are on an efficient route to your destination, which is what the route signs are for.
I like what they did with US 395 south of Reno, where I-580 was built parallel: I-580 was signed along with US 395 on the freeway, and the old surface route was signed Alt 395.
You already have that with the Interstate. At that point the US route provides no value whatsoever.
Quote from: HighwayStar on March 16, 2022, 01:22:03 AM
Quote from: kkt on March 16, 2022, 12:43:38 AM
Quote from: HighwayStar on March 15, 2022, 06:54:18 PM
Quote from: kkt on March 15, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 15, 2022, 05:24:24 PM
US 1 is fine for a US highway passing through, but it really should take it's od route through Boston and not tag along I-93.
Typically US routes take the quickest and most efficient route from one place along them to another. If that route happens to be duplexed with an interstate, so be it.
Duplexing is stupid since you don't get any benefit from calling the same piece of road several names. Its better to have the US system as a distinct set of roads so that continuous alternate routing to an interstate exist in the event of closure, etc.
You get the guidance that you are on an efficient route to your destination, which is what the route signs are for.
I like what they did with US 395 south of Reno, where I-580 was built parallel: I-580 was signed along with US 395 on the freeway, and the old surface route was signed Alt 395.
You already have that with the Interstate. At that point the US route provides no value whatsoever.
Sure it has value. Drivers know if they just stay on US 395 they'll pass through Reno in a reasonably efficient way and eventually get to Pendleton.
Quote from: kkt on March 16, 2022, 01:35:35 AM
Quote from: HighwayStar on March 16, 2022, 01:22:03 AM
Quote from: kkt on March 16, 2022, 12:43:38 AM
Quote from: HighwayStar on March 15, 2022, 06:54:18 PM
Quote from: kkt on March 15, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on March 15, 2022, 05:24:24 PM
US 1 is fine for a US highway passing through, but it really should take it's od route through Boston and not tag along I-93.
Typically US routes take the quickest and most efficient route from one place along them to another. If that route happens to be duplexed with an interstate, so be it.
Duplexing is stupid since you don't get any benefit from calling the same piece of road several names. Its better to have the US system as a distinct set of roads so that continuous alternate routing to an interstate exist in the event of closure, etc.
You get the guidance that you are on an efficient route to your destination, which is what the route signs are for.
I like what they did with US 395 south of Reno, where I-580 was built parallel: I-580 was signed along with US 395 on the freeway, and the old surface route was signed Alt 395.
You already have that with the Interstate. At that point the US route provides no value whatsoever.
Sure it has value. Drivers know if they just stay on US 395 they'll pass through Reno in a reasonably efficient way and eventually get to Pendleton.
Why not sign that when you leave the interstate? There is no point having two shields on the same piece of road, it does nothing to add capacity.
If on the other hand you sign a second route then you know that this road is distinct from the interstate through, so you can doge construction, traffic, etc. If an evacuation is needed both routes can carry traffic, or the US route can be the backup for a contra flow setup.
CA-1 is the most notable of all it goes from Wllits to Laguna Beach and it's scenic from San Mateo county to Malibu.
Quote from: bing101 on March 16, 2022, 05:02:37 AM
CA-1 is the most notable of all it goes from Wllits to Laguna Beach and it's scenic from San Mateo county to Malibu.
Willits? Willits is on US 101, not CA 1. North end of CA 1 is at Leggett. And it's very scenic from Marin County to Leggett too.
Wish I was there now.
Quote from: kkt on March 16, 2022, 03:37:23 PM
Quote from: bing101 on March 16, 2022, 05:02:37 AM
CA-1 is the most notable of all it goes from Wllits to Laguna Beach and it's scenic from San Mateo county to Malibu.
Willits? Willits is on US 101, not CA 1. North end of CA 1 is at Leggett. And it's very scenic from Marin County to Leggett too.
Wish I was there now.
Don't you mean, what you talking about Willits?
Anyways, Leggett is just the start of a long story with CA 1 and it's north terminus. It was supposed to be up in Fernbridge but the highway was never constructed in the Lost Coast. The segment of current CA 1 from Rockport to Leggett was always more or less a interim solution for the Lost Coast. It actually was even for a time assigned Legislatively as part of CA 208.
To your point I would argue CA 1 north of the Golden Gate Bridge is highly scenic. In numerous spots it can even rival the likes of what you'd see with the terrain in Big Sur.
In Oregon, I-5 *is* Hwy 1.
Literally.
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Quote from: kkt on March 16, 2022, 03:37:23 PM
Quote from: bing101 on March 16, 2022, 05:02:37 AM
CA-1 is the most notable of all it goes from Wllits to Laguna Beach and it's scenic from San Mateo county to Malibu.
Willits? Willits is on US 101, not CA 1. North end of CA 1 is at Leggett. And it's very scenic from Marin County to Leggett too.
Wish I was there now.
Don't you mean, what you talking about Willits?
Anyways, Leggett is just the start of a long story with CA 1 and it's north terminus. It was supposed to be up in Fernbridge but the highway was never constructed in the Lost Coast. The segment of current CA 1 from Rockport to Leggett was always more or less a interim solution for the Lost Coast. It actually was even for a time assigned Legislatively as part of CA 208.
To your point I would argue CA 1 north of the Golden Gate Bridge is highly scenic. In numerous spots it can even rival the likes of what you'd see with the terrain in Big Sur.
ca's highway 1 would be an example, to me, of this road truly representing its state. yeah, there's a lot more to california than the coast, but that's what it's famous for.
My state does not have a Hwy 1. I will mention Missouri's since it is the one left in the midwest that has yet to be mentioned. Unlike other midwestern states like Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois and Indiana it is very short only 7 miles running though the KC area.
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 13, 2022, 12:47:36 AM
In Kansas, K-1 is a short connector from US 160/US 183 just south of Coldwater to the Oklahoma state line, where it becomes SH 34. It was originally much longer, but much of the mileage later became part of US 183.
In New Mexico, NM 1 was the original number from 1912 for what later became US 85. It has since been revived for a segment of former US 85 between Truth and Consequences and Soccoro that was bypassed by I-25. This allows NMDOT to avoid posting US 85 anywhere in New Mexico. The original NM 1 followed El Camino Real, which was the most important north-south overland route in territorial days, and may have been the longest state highway numbered in 1912. (I've never run across a document that states explicitly that routes were numbered from longest to shortest, but NM 2 and NM 3 were also very long.)
Texas has several Route 1s--NASA 1 and Ranch Road 1--but has not had a SH 1 since 1952 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_Texas_state_highways#SH_1). Formally it is now a vest-pocket designation held by the Texas Transportation Commission and the TxDOT director, but it has effectively been retired. At its greatest extent, SH 1 ran diagonally from El Paso to Texarkana, so it was a worthy Route 1.
The I-10, I-20, I-30 routing was worthy of the designation. But I have an idea for a modern SH 1 in Texas. It runs along existing highways, avoiding Interstates as much as possible. It runs from the New Mexico line along TX 20, joining the Interstate when TX 20 ends, to Marfa, Presidio, Study Butte, Alpine, and then east to San Antonio, to Corpus Christi, as close to the coast as possible on existing highways to Galveston, over the ferry, to Orange, along TX 87 and then US 96 and 59 to Texarkana, along I-30 to Dallas and Fort Worth, and then along US 287 to Amarillo and Dumas, and US 87 to New Mexico.
MS 1:Travelling on this outside of Greenville is a slog. It makes sense as it is pretty much the westernmost highway in the state. MS has some weird system where numbers go from 1-25, then they restart or something.. I think MS 15 or 25 would be more fitting to have the number though.
I would say so. M-1 is Woodward Avenue which is the main street in Detroit and SE Michigan pretty much. It's only about 20 miles long but it's a pretty important highway.
Quote from: Flint1979 on March 20, 2022, 12:15:46 PM
I would say so. M-1 is Woodward Avenue which is the main street in Detroit and SE Michigan pretty much. It's only about 20 miles long but it's a pretty important highway.
It certainly gets a pass on being "M-1" in my book given the huge historic significance tied to Woodward Avenue.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 20, 2022, 12:18:20 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on March 20, 2022, 12:15:46 PM
I would say so. M-1 is Woodward Avenue which is the main street in Detroit and SE Michigan pretty much. It's only about 20 miles long but it's a pretty important highway.
It certainly gets a pass on being "M-1" in my book given the huge historic significance tied to Woodward Avenue.
I couldn't think of any other highway that could be M-1 other than Woodward. It fits it perfectly.
Quote from: thspfc on March 13, 2022, 09:48:41 PM
For WI-1 I nominate US-151 between I-39/90/94 and US-14 in Madison. 151 would just be rerouted onto the freeways bypassing the city.
That's actually a really good idea.
I posted on another thread about AR Highway 1, which runs north-south in the Arkansas Delta. Its importance as an interconnector has been subsumed by US 49 / 63 to a great deal. The original AR 1 ran along the top of Crowley's Ridge and the successor highways are actually as scenic as you'll find east of US 67.
DE 1 goes from the Maryland border around Ocean City through the major resort towns, then heads up to Dover (state capital) and ends at I-95 near Wilmington. It is part highway, part toll road, part divided rural road and part suburban road. It also interacts frequently with US 13 (which people use to access the eastern shore of Maryland & Virginia) and US 301.
US 1 bypasses Delaware altogether, so there is little confusion with this route.
Tennessee's SR 1 is very much in the spirit of being the 'most important' route in the state. Entirely subsumed by US routes, it nevertheless is the official designation for the pre-interstate route from Memphis to Nashville to Knoxville to Bristol. It hits almost all of the state's major population centers and is by far the longest route in the state.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on March 25, 2022, 03:18:04 PM
Tennessee's SR 1 is very much in the spirit of being the 'most important' route in the state. Entirely subsumed by US routes, it nevertheless is the official designation for the pre-interstate route from Memphis to Nashville to Knoxville to Bristol. It hits almost all of the state's major population centers and is by far the longest route in the state.
Not quite. There is a section of TN 1 that is not concurrent with a US route. It's near Sparta, where US 70S was routed onto TN 111 to meet up with US 70 instead of running on the old route into downtown.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on March 20, 2022, 03:08:43 PM
Quote from: thspfc on March 13, 2022, 09:48:41 PM
For WI-1 I nominate US-151 between I-39/90/94 and US-14 in Madison. 151 would just be rerouted onto the freeways bypassing the city.
That's actually a really good idea.
I guess since Wisconsin doesn't care for single digit state routes, that would work. I'd prefer WI 1 replacing WI 35, a Lake Michigan route combo of WI 57/42/32, or WI 29 in that order. But I wouldn't lose sleep if the Washington, John Nolan, Park corridor were made WI 1. Maybe WI 35 could be WI 3, the Lake route could be WI 5, and WI 29 could be WI 9.
Quote from: hbelkins on March 27, 2022, 02:30:35 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on March 25, 2022, 03:18:04 PM
Tennessee's SR 1 is very much in the spirit of being the 'most important' route in the state. Entirely subsumed by US routes, it nevertheless is the official designation for the pre-interstate route from Memphis to Nashville to Knoxville to Bristol. It hits almost all of the state's major population centers and is by far the longest route in the state.
Not quite. There is a section of TN 1 that is not concurrent with a US route. It's near Sparta, where US 70S was routed onto TN 111 to meet up with US 70 instead of running on the old route into downtown.
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For New Jersey, I'd like to highlight NJ-29, a riverside "America's Byways" road, which opens up into the state's I-195 for its final stretch (save a swing by capitol's baseball stadium).
A less scenic alternative is NJ-70, a highly-developed trunk road that takes you from Camden to the edge of the Jersey Shore.
Quote from: kenarmy on March 20, 2022, 03:08:01 AM
MS 1:Travelling on this outside of Greenville is a slog. It makes sense as it is pretty much the westernmost highway in the state. MS has some weird system where numbers go from 1-25, then they restart or something.. I think MS 15 or 25 would be more fitting to have the number though.
MS-1 is fine if you want to have a peaceful rural drive through and arent in a hurry to get to say, Greenville or Vicksburg.
If I were to nominate an important "MA-1", I'd start with the entireties of MA-2, MA-3A south of Boston, and MA-6A, and connect as needed.
Quote from: hbelkins on March 27, 2022, 02:30:35 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on March 25, 2022, 03:18:04 PM
Tennessee's SR 1 is very much in the spirit of being the 'most important' route in the state. Entirely subsumed by US routes, it nevertheless is the official designation for the pre-interstate route from Memphis to Nashville to Knoxville to Bristol. It hits almost all of the state's major population centers and is by far the longest route in the state.
Not quite. There is a section of TN 1 that is not concurrent with a US route. It's near Sparta, where US 70S was routed onto TN 111 to meet up with US 70 instead of running on the old route into downtown.
TN 1 has 3 segments without a US route:
In addition to Sparta, its west end in Memphis is without a US route. This segment is somewhat posted.
Also, its routing on State St in Bristol carries no US routing anymore. Not posted as best I can tell.
Quote from: Mapmikey on April 20, 2022, 08:43:50 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 27, 2022, 02:30:35 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on March 25, 2022, 03:18:04 PM
Tennessee's SR 1 is very much in the spirit of being the 'most important' route in the state. Entirely subsumed by US routes, it nevertheless is the official designation for the pre-interstate route from Memphis to Nashville to Knoxville to Bristol. It hits almost all of the state's major population centers and is by far the longest route in the state.
Not quite. There is a section of TN 1 that is not concurrent with a US route. It's near Sparta, where US 70S was routed onto TN 111 to meet up with US 70 instead of running on the old route into downtown.
TN 1 has 3 segments without a US route:
In addition to Sparta, its west end in Memphis is without a US route. This segment is somewhat posted.
Also, its routing on State St in Bristol carries no US routing anymore. Not posted as best I can tell.
That would be interesting, since the route spans the state line. Is it like a lot of state line routes where one state maintains the whole road, or does TDOT own and maintain only the eastbound lane, and the City of Bristol, Va., the westbound lane?
No route numbers are posted on State Street, and I have never seen anything posted on it in my travels there.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 20, 2022, 01:17:32 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on April 20, 2022, 08:43:50 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 27, 2022, 02:30:35 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on March 25, 2022, 03:18:04 PM
Tennessee's SR 1 is very much in the spirit of being the 'most important' route in the state. Entirely subsumed by US routes, it nevertheless is the official designation for the pre-interstate route from Memphis to Nashville to Knoxville to Bristol. It hits almost all of the state's major population centers and is by far the longest route in the state.
Not quite. There is a section of TN 1 that is not concurrent with a US route. It's near Sparta, where US 70S was routed onto TN 111 to meet up with US 70 instead of running on the old route into downtown.
TN 1 has 3 segments without a US route:
In addition to Sparta, its west end in Memphis is without a US route. This segment is somewhat posted.
Also, its routing on State St in Bristol carries no US routing anymore. Not posted as best I can tell.
That would be interesting, since the route spans the state line. Is it like a lot of state line routes where one state maintains the whole road, or does TDOT own and maintain only the eastbound lane, and the City of Bristol, Va., the westbound lane?
No route numbers are posted on State Street, and I have never seen anything posted on it in my travels there.
Teresco Mapping only shows the Memphis and Sparta sections. Although it doesn't list un marked routes.
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I looked at the Tennessee DOT online map of Bristol (https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/tdot/maps/city-maps/city-maps-a-d/map-city-Bristol.pdf). It shows TN 1 continuing as a primary route along State Street to US 11E/US 19 (Commonwealth Avenue/Volunteer Parkway), then continuing south to terminate at Anderson Street (TN 34). This is apparently done to give the two-block section of Volunteer Parkway (US 11E/US 19) a hidden state route designation.
TN 34 comes in from the north along the US routes as their hidden state designation, turns right onto Anderson, then left on Edgemont Avenue, then right on State Street to join US 421 until they turn onto Pennsylvania Avenue.
WYO does not have a Hwy 1.......
Quote from: US 89 on March 15, 2022, 01:45:19 PM
Quote from: Tom958 on March 15, 2022, 06:14:47 AM
Georgia's is just a largely-signed concurrency with US 27 (yawn), which never was an especially important link in the state's highway network. Savannah to Chattanooga via Macon and Atlanta would've made more sense.
Eh, it does make some sense - most of GA's low numbers are on fairly major through routes and tend to follow a rough grid system where N/S routes are odd numbers increasing to the east and E/W routes are evens increasing to the south. US 27 is the westernmost major N/S corridor in the state.
it certainly does make sense. same as Georgia 2 makes sense for the US-76 concurrency through the north part of GA.
I drove on part of M-1 yesterday. I-75 was backed up so I decided to take Woodward.
Quote from: ski-man on April 21, 2022, 03:07:37 PM
WYO does not have a Hwy 1.......
Nor any single-digit highways period! The lowest numbered state route in WY is WY 10, which under the county-based numbering system is just an auxiliary state highway in Albany County between WY 230 and the CO border (pretty drive in CO, the WY portion is kinda blah for a mountain state). Probably the most important state highway in WY is probably WY 789, which is the only state route to span the width of the state.
SD doesn't have any single-digit routes either. If an SD 1 existed, it would be located on the eastern edge of the state in the SD grid system. With the grid-like system of highways here, there really isn't a most important/representative one (maybe SD 34? It passes through Pierre and is border-to-border...).
More fanboying about California Route 1:
* CA 1 multiplexes a LOT, once with I-280 and 4 times with US 101
* The portion of the highway in Big Sur was built during the Great Depression with the use of prisoners
* The Big Sur portion is also home to world renown historic bridges, including the Garrapata Creek Bridge, Rocky Creek Bridge, and the Bixby Creek Bridge.
* CA 1 is the only road that goes through the Big Sur region, it and Nacimiento-Fergusson Road are the only roads that can be used to enter or exit the region.
Quote from: Techknow on April 28, 2022, 02:41:40 AM
More fanboying about California Route 1:
* CA 1 multiplexes a LOT, once with I-280 and 4 times with US 101
* The portion of the highway in Big Sur was built during the Great Depression with the use of prisoners
* The Big Sur portion is also home to world renown historic bridges, including the Garrapata Creek Bridge, Rocky Creek Bridge, and the Bixby Creek Bridge.
* CA 1 is the only road that goes through the Big Sur region, it and Nacimiento-Fergusson Road are the only roads that can be used to enter or exit the region.
Here's another, the planned routing of CA 1 (now CA 211) never had a formally adopted alignment through the Lost Coast by the California Transportation Commission. All the same every DOH map which shows the proposed Lost Coast segment of CA 1 has it largely aligned over/next to existing Lost Coast region roads. Contrary to popular perception the planned of CA 1 is largely inland in the Lost Coast region and would have been far from impossible to build.
http://www.davidrumsey.com/ll/thumbnailView.html?startUrl=%2F%2Fwww.davidrumsey.com%2Fluna%2Fservlet%2Fas%2Fsearch%3Fos%3D0%26lc%3DRUMSEY~8~1%26q%3DCALTRANs%201964%26sort%3DPub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No%26bs%3D10#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0&r=0&xywh=671%2C2601%2C806%2C1320
Quote from: SD Mapman on April 27, 2022, 10:44:36 AM
Quote from: ski-man on April 21, 2022, 03:07:37 PM
WYO does not have a Hwy 1.......
Nor any single-digit highways period! The lowest numbered state route in WY is WY 10, which under the county-based numbering system is just an auxiliary state highway in Albany County between WY 230 and the CO border (pretty drive in CO,
We used to go to a big annual party on the colorado extension of that road (officially, larimer co road 103), at the western end of the laramie-poudre water diversion. never been into wyoming on it, though. the southern end of this road goes into some truly pretty stuff, chambers lake, and right through the heart of the cameron peak fire burn area.