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Title: Periods in abbreviations on freeway BGS's?
Post by: KCRoadFan on March 19, 2022, 11:39:04 PM
I just thought of this question: are there any states that still use periods in abbreviations when it comes to the signs on freeways (BGS's)? From trips out east, I remember seeing several in Indiana and Massachusetts, although I believe the newer signage omits the periods. Also, right here in KC, I've seen a couple "St. Louis" signs with the period on eastbound I-70.

Where else throughout the country have you seen periods in freeway sign abbreviations, on either new signs or previously installed ones from decades ago?
Title: Re: Periods in abbreviations on freeway BGS's?
Post by: tolbs17 on March 20, 2022, 11:23:58 AM
Not here
Title: Re: Periods in abbreviations on freeway BGS's?
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 21, 2022, 10:24:44 AM
Indiana had (still has?) a lot of BGS with periods on them. They're the state nearest to me where I've seen it the most.
Title: Re: Periods in abbreviations on freeway BGS's?
Post by: Alex on March 21, 2022, 10:31:19 AM
From what I have seen, signs with abbreviations tend to be those replaced in kind from older sign designs. Likely it is poor or lazy management of projects and a lack of QC

There's one on I-275 north for U.S. 92 (Hillsborough Avenue) that is an older ground level assembly:

(https://www.aaroads.com/fl/275/i-275-n-exit-047-3.jpg)

I can dig up other examples including ones that were more recent installs.
Title: Re: Periods in abbreviations on freeway BGS's?
Post by: ilpt4u on March 21, 2022, 08:02:30 PM
Washington D.C. for I-70 East on our favorite stretch of stoplight-laden I-70 in Breezewood
Title: Re: Periods in abbreviations on freeway BGS's?
Post by: Bitmapped on March 22, 2022, 03:41:43 PM
WVDOH used periods, although it's been getting away from this practice in the past decade or so.
Title: Re: Periods in abbreviations on freeway BGS's?
Post by: ozarkman417 on March 22, 2022, 04:20:57 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on March 21, 2022, 08:02:30 PM
Washington D.C. for I-70 East on our favorite stretch of stoplight-laden I-70 in Breezewood
You'd think it would be older signs that have periods, but in the case of Breezewood, it's the "newer" overhead signs that have the periods, whereas the old button copy distance sign just past the community does not have any periods.

I put newer in quotes because the overhead signs are unlikely that new, but are so when compared to the aging button copy setup just after you turn off US 30.
Title: Re: Periods in abbreviations on freeway BGS's?
Post by: PurdueBill on March 29, 2022, 12:10:37 PM
It is in the Massachusetts specs to use the period in geographic names of cities/towns (and neighborhoods) but no longer in street name abbrev.  So, on the Southeast Expressway, you will see "Southampton St", "Andrew Sq", and "Columbia Rd" with no periods on recent signs but "S. Boston" with a period on the same sign assembly.  Same on I-495 where street names have abbrev without periods for Marson St, Merrimack St, and Commonwealth Dr, but periods in "Mass. Ave" and "N. Andover" (Mass. Ave being the best because Mass. got a period but not Ave).  At first it may look weird or inconsistent but it is actually quite consistent internally.
Title: Re: Periods in abbreviations on freeway BGS's?
Post by: Bruce on March 29, 2022, 12:21:50 PM
Vancouver BC/B.C. is a control city for I-5 north of Seattle and the use of periods is not uncommon but most drop them for "BC".
Title: Re: Periods in abbreviations on freeway BGS's?
Post by: hbelkins on March 29, 2022, 12:25:42 PM
I've noticed that the current MUTCD language on not using punctuation marks has been applied to advisory speed warning signs, at least in Kentucky, A plethora of new signs have been installed in my area and they read NN MPH instead of NN M.P.H.
Title: Re: Periods in abbreviations on freeway BGS's?
Post by: JayhawkCO on March 29, 2022, 12:33:07 PM
None I can think of in Colorado despite having lots of destinations that can be abbreviated (Colo Spgs, Ft Morgan, Grand Jct).
Title: Re: Periods in abbreviations on freeway BGS's?
Post by: CardInLex on March 29, 2022, 06:36:36 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 29, 2022, 12:25:42 PM
I've noticed that the current MUTCD language on not using punctuation marks has been applied to advisory speed warning signs, at least in Kentucky, A plethora of new signs have been installed in my area and they read NN MPH instead of NN M.P.H.

The 2009 MUTCD actually doesn't use periods on advisory plaques. So, the new signs are correct.