https://variety.com/2022/film/news/will-smith-smacks-chris-rock-oscars-1235216387/
Jay Rock made a joke about Jada Smith that Will didn't like.
I heard someone say they thought it was staged.
but I don't know, if Will Smith was acting they should have given him an Oscar for that performance...
Quote from: Buck87 on March 28, 2022, 05:31:02 PM
I heard someone say they thought it was staged.
but I don't know, if Will Smith was acting they should have given him an Oscar for that performance...
They're still the Emmys as this occurred on TV.
Quote from: Buck87 on March 28, 2022, 05:31:02 PM
I heard someone say they thought it was staged.
but I don't know, if Will Smith was acting they should have given him an Oscar for that performance...
I don't think it was staged.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/people.com/movies/oscars-2022-academy-member-says-no-excuse-for-will-smith-hitting-chris-rock/%3famp=true
Nobody cares about the Oscars. You bet their publicity people are celebrating the fact that everyone is actually talking about it.
The audience there also thought it was staged until Will Smith yelled "Get my wife's name out of your fucking mouth!" - upon which the crowd's reaction changed considerably.
Add me to the list of people who believes it was staged.
Apparently Will and Chris had no issues at the same afterparty. What a quick reconciliation.
I'm not entirely sure if I think it was staged or not. Chris Rock's reaction leads me to believe it was not, but there's some smirking going on that leads me to believe it was. And these guys are actors after all... I'm sure everyone in Hollywood ended up being okay with it if it wasn't. All you have to see is the number of people talking about it today. It has given the Oscars a lot of free press.
Either way, Will Smith defending his cheating wife is hilarious. His speech afterwards was stupid and tone-deaf.
Staged, for ratings because no one watches this stuff anymore.
One thing is sure, it inspired lots of memes. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/will-smith-slapping-chris-rock
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Not staged - otherwise you would not realize what Will said to Rock after...
"Keep my wife's name out your fucking mouth!"
When he pulled the reference, you can see Jada obviously reacting negatively to it while Will (initially) was laughing. He certainly wasn't laughing for long.
No way it was staged as they are thinking about taking away Smith's Oscar.
So apparently he has apologized.
I still remember a line I read many years ago in a Star Trek novel, where an admiral was dressing down a cadet: "I don't give a damn what you apologize for -- I give a damn what you DO!" I usually feel the same way.
I have nothing to say on the matter, except you should never disrespect another man's wife. There's a special place in hell for Chris Rock and the rest of them.
Quote from: Henry on March 29, 2022, 10:14:45 AM
I have nothing to say on the matter, except you should never disrespect another man's wife. There's a special place in hell for Chris Rock and the rest of them.
It was a fairly weak joke and a movie reference most people didn't understand. Probably a lot more people are aware of G.I Jane after all this.
Interesting I didn't realize Ridley Scott directed GI Jane. I haven't looked through all his directing credits but that has be one of his weaker movies.
Faker than "˜raslin.
A guy walks on stage, hits a performer in front of hundreds of private and government security officers, calmly sits down and the performer quickly resumes his unfunny routine?
Please.
Mostly related to the fact that the show has lost about 7 out of 10 viewers from just fiver years ago. No one cares. Now drawing about what an episode of Yellowstone gets on the, fairly obscure, Paramount Network.
Quote from: Henry on March 29, 2022, 10:14:45 AM
I have nothing to say on the matter, except you should never disrespect another man's wife. There's a special place in hell for Chris Rock and the rest of them.
If she's unmarried, though, it's open season. It's the man that makes it not okay.
According to the OP article, Will Smith told him after returning to his seat " Leave my wife alone, Shut your f***in mouth!" So risking a fine by the FCC would not be actions of a played out scene unless it was Howard Stern, but that's a different situation altogether.
I didn't see the live broadcast, but apparently the F-bombs and what not didn't air in the US broadcast. But people over in Europe apparently saw it uncut. Anyone who cares can see the full un-cut version online easily.
Quote from: Max RockatanskyIt was a fairly weak joke and a movie reference most people didn't understand. Probably a lot more people are aware of G.I Jane after all this.
To paraphrase one of Chris Rock's own punchlines: I don't agree with what Will Smith did,
but I understand.
The
G.I. Jane 2 joke might not seem all that bad at first glance, but it was really hitting below the belt in an ugly fashion. Generally speaking, hair is a very serious subject to black women. Making fun of a black woman's hair enters a very risky zone. Add to that Jada Pinkett-Smith's public struggles with alopecia, an auto-immune disorder causing hair loss, often permanently. Most comedians don't have to worry about getting roughed up by an angry spectator. But there is a fine line between insult comedy being funny versus just being cruel. For instance Ricky Gervais ended up looking like a complete, spiteful asshole at the Golden Globe Awards in 2020.
If Will Smith could have just remained seated in his chair Chris Rock would have ended up being the night's biggest asshole. Smith just had to go do something a whole lot worse. Awards shows can move on from bad jokes pretty easily. But that slap sucked all the oxygen out of the room. A lot of other nominees and awards winners basically had their moment taken away from them by a very ugly incident.
Quote from: Bobby5280 on March 29, 2022, 11:59:52 AM
I didn't see the live broadcast,
No worries, very few people did.
Quotebut apparently the F-bombs and what not didn't air in the US broadcast.
Of course. This is because "live" broadcasts in the USA are actually on a delay of about 10 seconds, which gives a technician time to either "bleep" the audio or cut the feed totally. Had the attack been real, the later would have been done. It wasn't, because the script didn't call for that, just the slap.
Is Q telling you guys that this was staged? This is clearly a guy reacting badly to a rude joke.
Well, that's good that it wasn't caught, but my point was the F Bomb in it means Will meant business. I didn't see the joke, but Chris Rock should have had more class and not say what he did. If her hair loss is not on purpose but part of a syndrome effect, he should have showed empathy toward her suffering.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 29, 2022, 12:34:57 PM
Is Q telling you guys that this was staged? This is clearly a guy reacting badly to a rude joke.
Yes I agree. It wasn't staged, however I feel for Will Smith, but at the same time though, he should have not physically attacked Rock. And yes, Chris, was wrong.
Quote from: Bobby5280 on March 29, 2022, 11:59:52 AM
I didn't see the live broadcast, but apparently the F-bombs and what not didn't air in the US broadcast. But people over in Europe apparently saw it uncut. Anyone who cares can see the full un-cut version online easily.
Quote from: Max RockatanskyIt was a fairly weak joke and a movie reference most people didn't understand. Probably a lot more people are aware of G.I Jane after all this.
To paraphrase one of Chris Rock's own punchlines: I don't agree with what Will Smith did, but I understand.
The G.I. Jane 2 joke might not seem all that bad at first glance, but it was really hitting below the belt in an ugly fashion. Generally speaking, hair is a very serious subject to black women. Making fun of a black woman's hair enters a very risky zone. Add to that Jada Pinkett-Smith's public struggles with alopecia, an auto-immune disorder causing hair loss, often permanently. Most comedians don't have to worry about getting roughed up by an angry spectator. But there is a fine line between insult comedy being funny versus just being cruel. For instance Ricky Gervais ended up looking like a complete, spiteful asshole at the Golden Globe Awards in 2020.
If Will Smith could have just remained seated in his chair Chris Rock would have ended up being the night's biggest asshole. Smith just had to go do something a whole lot worse. Awards shows can move on from bad jokes pretty easily. But that slap sucked all the oxygen out of the room. A lot of other nominees and awards winners basically had their moment taken away from them by a very ugly incident.
That's just it, I got how low brow the joke was because I saw the movie and knew the gist about Jada Smith's personal issues. The latter was probably infinitely way more known in a modern context than the movie reference was. I don't even know how people got the reference that were in the crowd at the Oscars. That's a lot of pieces to put together to even understand the joke at hand. I doubt many would have if Will Smith would have reacted like he did.
Quote from: SP Cook on March 29, 2022, 12:23:43 PM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on March 29, 2022, 11:59:52 AM
I didn't see the live broadcast,
No worries, very few people did.
Quotebut apparently the F-bombs and what not didn't air in the US broadcast.
Of course. This is because "live" broadcasts in the USA are actually on a delay of about 10 seconds, which gives a technician time to either "bleep" the audio or cut the feed totally. Had the attack been real, the later would have been done. It wasn't, because the script didn't call for that, just the slap.
They...uh...did cut the feed totally. They cut off the American audio feed right before Rock says "Will Smith just slapped the shit out of me" and it stays muted while Smith repeatedly yells "Keep my wife's name out your fucking mouth" from the audience. It doesn't pick back up until Rock tries to move on. The only reason we know what was said was that people have posted video from the Japanese and Australian feeds where they didn't cut the audio.
How come The Grammys never deleted Axel Rose swearing decades ago when Guns n Roses won an award?
Is the 10 second delay something of this century.
Quote from: Max RockatanskyThat's just it, I got how low brow the joke was because I saw the movie and knew the gist about Jada Smith's personal issues. The latter was probably infinitely way more known in a modern context than the movie reference was. I don't even know how people got the reference that were in the crowd at the Oscars. That's a lot of pieces to put together to even understand the joke at hand. I doubt many would have if Will Smith would have reacted like he did.
G.I. Jane is an old movie, but not all that old (late 1990's). Many of the AMPAS members are middle aged and older. It's also common knowledge that military recruits often get their hair buzzed skull-short in boot camp. They don't really do that with female recruits, but then Demi Moore buzz-cut her own head in the movie. Anyway, the reference was obvious enough for Gen-Z aged people to understand it.
Quote from: JayhawkCOIs Q telling you guys that this was staged? This is clearly a guy reacting badly to a rude joke.
The only way that could have been staged is if Will Smith and Chris Rock secretly set it up without anyone else knowing. Like one of those classic Andy Kaufman pranks. There is absolutely no way it could have been a scripted part of the actual TV production. That moment basically derailed the rest of the broadcast and ruined any moments for awards winners after the slap. A lot of movie industry people are pretty angry about it. Even with Will Smith and Chris Rock making amends Smith likely faces at least some consequences, like maybe not being invited to the ceremony next year to present the next Best Actress Oscar, among other things.
Quote from: roadman65I didn't see the joke, but Chris Rock should have had more class and not say what he did. If her hair loss is not on purpose but part of a syndrome effect, he should have showed empathy toward her suffering.
I find it especially baffling Chris Rock of all people would say such an insensitive joke given one of his past projects. He starred in and co-produced the excellent documentary
Good Hair in 2009. He knows as well as any man just how important
good hair is to black women. They have to put a lot of time, work and money into maintaining their hair. That's even without having a terrible issue like alopecia enter the equation. He knew better yet still went after Jada's baldness for a cheap laugh. It passed the line of going into cruel territory.
Quote from: roadman65How come The Grammys never deleted Axel Rose swearing decades ago when Guns n Roses won an award?
Maybe the sound guy was too busy sniffing lines of coke off the console board. :biggrin:
Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 29, 2022, 12:34:57 PM
Is Q telling you guys that this was staged? This is clearly a guy reacting badly to a rude joke.
No, the fact that Will Smith once played a boxer in a movie yet had such a fake-ass slapstick sissy-slap of Rock does (that Rock seemed to be bracing for well before windup). That and that no security intervened during or after.
Not everything needs to be made into some moronic political take. Tying weird Trump cults into this is pretty lame.
What would a full power punch that could do actual damage to Rock's face accomplish that a slap didn't? An actual hard punch would have made Smith look worse and made people more sympathetic to Rock, and would have increased the chances that Rock needed medical attention and that he might want to file an actual assault charge against him. As it was, the slap got the message across that Rock had crossed a line in Smith's eyes and it was already plenty disruptive to the show.
Only a fool goes out and uses their full power when they can accomplish their goal with something lighter.
The memes this has spawned are off the charts. It might be time to retire the Batman-Robin meme permanently or give it meme emeritus status.
Since I don't really follow pop culture, I had no idea that Jada has a medical condition that causes hair loss. Is it possible that Rock also did not know? (Not that it would really matter, I suppose, if you go on the pretext that a comment on one's appearance is never acceptable.)
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 29, 2022, 01:45:41 PM
What would a full power punch that could do actual damage to Rock's face accomplish that a slap didn't? An actual hard punch would have made Smith look worse and made people more sympathetic to Rock, and would have increased the chances that Rock needed medical attention and that he might want to file an actual assault charge against him. As it was, the slap got the message across that Rock had crossed a line in Smith's eyes and it was already plenty disruptive to the show.
Only a fool goes out and uses their full power when they can accomplish their goal with something lighter.
In that case, why strike him at all? Why not just go up there and recite the "Keep my wife's name out yo f-ing mouth" line?
Quote from: Scott5114What would a full power punch that could do actual damage to Rock's face accomplish that a slap didn't?
A grown man open-hand slapping another man actually works as one hell of an insult.
I really loved the classic skit from the Chappelle Show,
Charlie Murphy's True Stories of Hollywood where Murphy talks about getting slapped by Rick James at a party:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FmYmdGRONICharlie Murphy: "First of all, you don't slap a man. Okay? I mean even when slapping was fashionable, and y'know they did it in Paris and a guy would come up (whap-pap), 'I challenge you to a duel!' They had a gunfight after that. Somebody had to go."
My take:
* I knew nothing of this and had no suspicion something interesting had happened at the Oscars (other than CODA winning Best Picture) until a Facebook friend mentioned something about alopecia.
* I initially thought Will Smith had hit Dwayne Johnson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwayne_Johnson).
* The reaction to this has been and will continue to be extremely polarized--it is a very blunt and (literally) in-your-face reminder of how imperfectly housebroken traditional masculinity is. When all is said and done, I don't think Will Smith will be the worse off for it, but it represents a pivot for him in terms of image management.
Quote from: SectorZ on March 29, 2022, 01:38:24 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 29, 2022, 12:34:57 PM
Is Q telling you guys that this was staged? This is clearly a guy reacting badly to a rude joke.
No, the fact that Will Smith once played a boxer in a movie yet had such a fake-ass slapstick sissy-slap of Rock does (that Rock seemed to be bracing for well before windup). That and that no security intervened during or after.
Not everything needs to be made into some moronic political take. Tying weird Trump cults into this is pretty lame.
What's Q have to (directly) do with politics? I only referenced it because anyone who thinks this is staged is (IMO) a conspiracy theorist.
Quote from: J N Winkler* I initially thought Will Smith had hit Dwayne Johnson.
If Will Smith had slapped Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson we might be reading details of Smith's obituary today.
When the news about Jada's affair (and their "open marriage") was going thru the media cycle the rapper 50 Cent said some pretty nasty things about it. From my chair it doesn't look like Smith did anything to correct 50 Cent on that. It's not all that impressive for a Hollywood "leading man" to slap a skinny, middle-aged comedian.
Although the joke was terrible and cruel, Chris Rock handled the aftermath in a pretty grown-up, professional way.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 29, 2022, 02:08:13 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 29, 2022, 01:38:24 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 29, 2022, 12:34:57 PM
Is Q telling you guys that this was staged? This is clearly a guy reacting badly to a rude joke.
No, the fact that Will Smith once played a boxer in a movie yet had such a fake-ass slapstick sissy-slap of Rock does (that Rock seemed to be bracing for well before windup). That and that no security intervened during or after.
Not everything needs to be made into some moronic political take. Tying weird Trump cults into this is pretty lame.
What's Q have to (directly) do with politics? I only referenced it because anyone who thinks this is staged is (IMO) a conspiracy theorist.
"Conspiracy theorist". Good grief...
Bringing up Q-Anon is not political? It is literally labeled on wikipedia, first sentence, as a "political conspiracy theory". IMO, anyone who thinks Q-Anon is not political is, well, you know...
Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 29, 2022, 02:08:13 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 29, 2022, 01:38:24 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 29, 2022, 12:34:57 PM
Is Q telling you guys that this was staged? This is clearly a guy reacting badly to a rude joke.
No, the fact that Will Smith once played a boxer in a movie yet had such a fake-ass slapstick sissy-slap of Rock does (that Rock seemed to be bracing for well before windup). That and that no security intervened during or after.
Not everything needs to be made into some moronic political take. Tying weird Trump cults into this is pretty lame.
What's Q have to (directly) do with politics? I only referenced it because anyone who thinks this is staged is (IMO) a conspiracy theorist.
Not to get too lost in the weeds here–this is not an invitation for political debate, but meant as an explanatory summary–but the QAnon conspiracy has some pretty specific beliefs that Donald Trump was going to commit various actions while in office (most of which never came to pass), and after the 2020 election, that Trump was going to reassume the office using various dubious legal mechanics (e.g. that certain laws that the government treats as being on the books were not "legitimately" passed and therefore were conveniently void in this particular situation).
Quote from: SectorZ on March 29, 2022, 02:45:23 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 29, 2022, 02:08:13 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 29, 2022, 01:38:24 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 29, 2022, 12:34:57 PM
Is Q telling you guys that this was staged? This is clearly a guy reacting badly to a rude joke.
No, the fact that Will Smith once played a boxer in a movie yet had such a fake-ass slapstick sissy-slap of Rock does (that Rock seemed to be bracing for well before windup). That and that no security intervened during or after.
Not everything needs to be made into some moronic political take. Tying weird Trump cults into this is pretty lame.
What's Q have to (directly) do with politics? I only referenced it because anyone who thinks this is staged is (IMO) a conspiracy theorist.
"Conspiracy theorist". Good grief...
Bringing up Q-Anon is not political? It is literally labeled on wikipedia, first sentence, as a "political conspiracy theory". IMO, anyone who thinks Q-Anon is not political is, well, you know...
Fine. Not Q-Anoners. Instead, Bigfoot believers. Nessie fans. Whatever. Belief in something without even the first semblance of evidence makes someone a conspiracy theorist. These are the same people that in the NCAA tournament thread that think that Duke and North Carolina meeting in the Final Four means the NCAA staged it.
Big Willy was pissed someone made a joke about his wife and hit him. The end of story.
I meant more that Q-Anoners are knuckleheads who will believe anything fanciful "just cuz", and that they didn't inherently care about the politics of it. Perhaps I misspoke, but hopefully my position is clear.
I think the conspiracy theorist types are taking part in a form of tribalism, being part of a "club" with other like-minded individuals, even if the shared idea is pure bullshit. I really have to question the value of going down the rabbit hole with that sort of group-think. Some of the Q-stuff for instance just makes me bust out laughing. It is so bat-shit stupid -like that JFK Jr angle. I would be embarrassed to admit any association to that group, much less take part in public rallies to promote the idea.
Which is more far-fetched: Believing that the Smith-Rock incident was staged, or believing that pro wrestling is real and not scripted?
Quote from: hbelkins on March 29, 2022, 05:35:48 PM
Which is more far-fetched: Believing that the Smith-Rock incident was staged, or believing that pro wrestling is real and not scripted?
I think the Venn Diagram for those two groups might be a circle. :)
Quote from: hbelkins on March 29, 2022, 05:35:48 PM
Which is more far-fetched: Believing that the Smith-Rock incident was staged, or believing that pro wrestling is real and not scripted?
How many people are still under the delusion that professional wrestling isn't anything more than a scripted performance?
Given how ungainly the whole confrontation, slap and the things uttered during the Will Smith/Christ Rock incident were it struck me as authentic. A performance would have at least some minimal level of choreography to it.
Some parodies and more memes of that event had appeared on the web.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CReB-pHyugw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olQ2bA84lKI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOBDMlX3Z10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXGEjxoBXLU
Any discussion that this was fake ended when Rock had to confirm he wasn't going to pursue having charges filed against Smith.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 29, 2022, 05:47:24 PM
Any discussion that this was fake ended when Rock had to confirm he wasn't going to pursue having charges filed against Smith.
Probably just a formality. Police had to ask. Doesn't mean it wasn't scripted
Quote from: SP Cook on March 29, 2022, 12:23:43 PM
Had the attack been real, the later would have been done. It wasn't, because the script didn't call for that, just the slap.
I think this line undercuts your own assertion that it was staged, because if it was scripted, why did Smith then abruptly go so far off-script?
Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 29, 2022, 03:00:51 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 29, 2022, 02:45:23 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 29, 2022, 02:08:13 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 29, 2022, 01:38:24 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on March 29, 2022, 12:34:57 PM
Is Q telling you guys that this was staged? This is clearly a guy reacting badly to a rude joke.
No, the fact that Will Smith once played a boxer in a movie yet had such a fake-ass slapstick sissy-slap of Rock does (that Rock seemed to be bracing for well before windup). That and that no security intervened during or after.
Not everything needs to be made into some moronic political take. Tying weird Trump cults into this is pretty lame.
What's Q have to (directly) do with politics? I only referenced it because anyone who thinks this is staged is (IMO) a conspiracy theorist.
"Conspiracy theorist". Good grief...
Bringing up Q-Anon is not political? It is literally labeled on wikipedia, first sentence, as a "political conspiracy theory". IMO, anyone who thinks Q-Anon is not political is, well, you know...
Fine. Not Q-Anoners. Instead, Bigfoot believers. Nessie fans. Whatever. Belief in something without even the first semblance of evidence makes someone a conspiracy theorist. These are the same people that in the NCAA tournament thread that think that Duke and North Carolina meeting in the Final Four means the NCAA staged it.
Big Willy was pissed someone made a joke about his wife and hit him. The end of story.
I meant more that Q-Anoners are knuckleheads who will believe anything fanciful "just cuz", and that they didn't inherently care about the politics of it. Perhaps I misspoke, but hopefully my position is clear.
Some things shouldn't be taken at face value. This incident is one of them. There's a lot of incentive for them to stage something like this for attention. It doesn't mean that they staged it for sure. But at this point, I don't believe much that comes from an industry that has the gall to call out average Americans for being rapists when their own industry is tainted with sexual harassment/assault to the point where it's the norm.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 29, 2022, 01:06:09 PM
How come The Grammys never deleted Axel Rose swearing decades ago when Guns n Roses won an award?
Is the 10 second delay something of this century.
The technology has been around since at least the 1987 American Comedy Awards.
Children of a Lesser God came out the year before, and a presenter was discussing sign language with the deaf star of the movie. An "OOPS!!" slide came on the screen for a few seconds, presumably covering up a hand gesture that the censor didn't find family-friendly. Also Leslie Nielson had a routine where he uses a hand-held fart noise maker, and that was censored, even though that sound is in every family movie these days.
After Janet Jackson's boob (was that planned ahead of time?) the networks have been more careful about live events.
Last year's Oscars was so boring that I skipped this year's. I'm on a graveyard shift, so I had to take advantage of a rare opportunity to go out and walk during good-weather daylight.
Whenever I think of Q, I think of John DeLancey's character on Star Trek TNG and currently on its spin-off Picard. :bigass:
Quote from: roadman65 on March 30, 2022, 12:48:27 AM
Whenever I think of Q, I think of John DeLancey's character on Star Trek TNG and currently on its spin-off Picard. :bigass:
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I don't know how it works for television, but a delay has been used in radio for eons. Primarily to prevent callers from cursing.
I distinctly remember two live sporting events where a delay would have been beneficial. One was an SEC basketball tournament game back in the early 1980s. I was in college at the time, and Norm Sloan was the coach at Florida. They put a live mic in his huddle during a time out just in time to hear him complain, "GD it, they're getting too many f-ing layups!" Tom Hammond was the announcer, and he spent the next few minutes apologizing. This was on broadcast TV, not a cable network.
And there was one instance at a NASCAR race that was televised on ESPN, not one of the broadcast networks. They cut to Dale Jarrett's radio channel just in time to hear Todd Parrott, his crew chief, drop a MF-bomb. Something like "we need to put a set of 40-bleed shocks on that MFer!" Once again, Bob Jenkins had to apologize profusely.
In Radio contests are done during a song just in case a caller reacts to being the one to get through, by swearing accidentally. Then the overall conversation it's cut shorter to fit between songs as there is more to it then what you only hear on air.
Also if the DJ asks for Caller 9 to be the winner, there really is no caller 9 they're looking for. It's an excuse to dismiss a caller if he or she isn't excited enough to want the contest prize.
I took a studio tour of Cox in Orlando when the Country Station had a contest. One caller was not at all excited when he called, so the DJ said " Sorry you're not caller 10!" Then moved onto a lady who was excited, and called her out as caller ten. Then the DJ showed the phone conversation edited in the process and told us that no caller is live just in case the caller acts too crazy and drops an F Bomb on the air.
Wouldn't have even known there was some awards show going on if this didn't go down. Didn't seem genuine to me. Like when Eminem got T-bagged by Tom Green during the VMA's a million years ago. Trying to make the young internet people give a shit about awards shows.
I guess I'll have to watch that tennis movie because I find it hard to believe Will "Welcome to Earf" Smith won an award for acting. It's not like he sucks or anything, but Best Actor? Hmm.
Quote from: roadman65 on March 30, 2022, 02:10:44 PM
In Radio contests are done during a song just in case a caller reacts to being the one to get through, by swearing accidentally. Then the overall conversation it's cut shorter to fit between songs as there is more to it then what you only hear on air.
Also if the DJ asks for Caller 9 to be the winner, there really is no caller 9 they're looking for. It's an excuse to dismiss a caller if he or she isn't excited enough to want the contest prize.
I took a studio tour of Cox in Orlando when the Country Station had a contest. One caller was not at all excited when he called, so the DJ said " Sorry you're not caller 10!" Then moved onto a lady who was excited, and called her out as caller ten. Then the DJ showed the phone conversation edited in the process and told us that no caller is live just in case the caller acts too crazy and drops an F Bomb on the air.
That sounds like way too much work compared to just doing it right.
A radio station in Boston, recently deceased from its current format, used to pick the seventh caller as a winner. If you called and were callers 1-6, you'd just hear "you're number x", followed soon by a dialtone. I happened to be in studio to watch this work a few times and also was on the caller side a few times.
Radio can be a weird place. No wonder it's mostly dead.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 29, 2022, 06:19:57 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 29, 2022, 05:47:24 PM
Any discussion that this was fake ended when Rock had to confirm he wasn't going to pursue having charges filed against Smith.
Probably just a formality. Police had to ask. Doesn't mean it wasn't scripted
Just because a victim doesn't press charges doesn't mean charges can't be filed. Even if Chris Rock declines to take part in any legal proceedings, there were plenty of witnesses to call on.
Quote from: SectorZ on March 31, 2022, 06:31:08 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 30, 2022, 02:10:44 PM
In Radio contests are done during a song just in case a caller reacts to being the one to get through, by swearing accidentally. Then the overall conversation it's cut shorter to fit between songs as there is more to it then what you only hear on air.
Also if the DJ asks for Caller 9 to be the winner, there really is no caller 9 they're looking for. It's an excuse to dismiss a caller if he or she isn't excited enough to want the contest prize.
I took a studio tour of Cox in Orlando when the Country Station had a contest. One caller was not at all excited when he called, so the DJ said " Sorry you're not caller 10!" Then moved onto a lady who was excited, and called her out as caller ten. Then the DJ showed the phone conversation edited in the process and told us that no caller is live just in case the caller acts too crazy and drops an F Bomb on the air.
That sounds like way too much work compared to just doing it right.
A radio station in Boston, recently deceased from its current format, used to pick the seventh caller as a winner. If you called and were callers 1-6, you'd just hear "you're number x", followed soon by a dialtone. I happened to be in studio to watch this work a few times and also was on the caller side a few times.
Radio can be a weird place. No wonder it's mostly dead.
I would be surprised if the way roadman65 describes it being done complies with the standards & practices regulations the FCC put into place after the quiz show scandals of the 1950s. (Unless those apply to television only, which wouldn't make a whole lot of sense.)
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 01, 2022, 09:43:31 PM
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Quote from: roadman65 on March 30, 2022, 02:10:44 PM
In Radio contests are done during a song just in case a caller reacts to being the one to get through, by swearing accidentally. Then the overall conversation it’s cut shorter to fit between songs as there is more to it then what you only hear on air.
Also if the DJ asks for Caller 9 to be the winner, there really is no caller 9 they’re looking for. It’s an excuse to dismiss a caller if he or she isn’t excited enough to want the contest prize.
I took a studio tour of Cox in Orlando when the Country Station had a contest. One caller was not at all excited when he called, so the DJ said “ Sorry you’re not caller 10!” Then moved onto a lady who was excited, and called her out as caller ten. Then the DJ showed the phone conversation edited in the process and told us that no caller is live just in case the caller acts too crazy and drops an F Bomb on the air.
That sounds like way too much work compared to just doing it right.
A radio station in Boston, recently deceased from its current format, used to pick the seventh caller as a winner. If you called and were callers 1-6, you'd just hear "you're number x", followed soon by a dialtone. I happened to be in studio to watch this work a few times and also was on the caller side a few times.
Radio can be a weird place. No wonder it's mostly dead.
I would be surprised if the way roadman65 describes it being done complies with the standards & practices regulations the FCC put into place after the quiz show scandals of the 1950s. (Unless those apply to television only, which wouldn't make a whole lot of sense.)
It would seem like you're right, unless there's a loophole here.
https://www.fcc.gov/general/broadcast-contests
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It is unlawful for any person, with intent to deceive the listening or viewing public:
To engage in any artifice or scheme for the purpose of prearranging or predetermining in whole or in part the outcome of a purportedly bona fide contest of intellectual knowledge, intellectual skill, or chance.
Here is a PSA from 1992 from Will Smith.
https://people.com/movies/oscars-2022-will-smith-the-more-you-know-ad-video-1992-chris-rock-slap/
Well if only the 2022 Will Smith listened to the advice 1992 Will Smith is saying here
The Academy banned Will Smith from their organization and its events for 10 years. I never expected them to take the Oscar he won, but I'm kind of surprised they issued a 10 year ban. That's stiffer punishment than I expected; I figured he would be gone maybe a year or two. He'll be 63 years old 10 years from now. There's no telling what shape his acting career will be in by 2032.
This will put the Academy in a really awkward spot if he turns in another Oscar-worthy performance in the next 10 years and doesn't get nominated. Whoever wins that year will permanently have "yes, they won, but Will Smith would have if not for the Academy being too fixated on punishing him" attached to any discussion of that Oscar. It will make the Academy seem even more irrelevant and illegitimate than it already does.
Luckily the Academy Awards hardly ever has enough of a consensus winner that they probably wouldn't have that issue.
Finally someone made a good Bully Maguire vs Will Smith meme:
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 09, 2022, 12:14:36 AM
Luckily the Academy Awards hardly ever has enough of a consensus winner that they probably wouldn't have that issue.
That's actually exactly why I say that. There's enough "X film should have got the award but it wasn't even nominated" every year
without there being a publicly known reason that a film might get snubbed.
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 09, 2022, 01:17:23 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 09, 2022, 12:14:36 AM
Luckily the Academy Awards hardly ever has enough of a consensus winner that they probably wouldn't have that issue.
That's actually exactly why I say that. There's enough "X film should have got the award but it wasn't even nominated" every year without there being a publicly known reason that a film might get snubbed.
He was only nominated three times
without the shadow he cast over his own head. Something tells me the more likely course from here on is that he just isn't as involved in films as he once was. After all, why pick an actor you know won't get nominated?
Quote from: jakeroot on April 09, 2022, 12:34:50 PMHe was only nominated three times without the shadow he cast over his own head. Something tells me the more likely course from here on is that he just isn't as involved in films as he once was. After all, why pick an actor you know won't get nominated?
I think he's still bankable. Slapping another man who makes a joke at your wife's expense is far more readily forgivable than getting drunk and spewing anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, and Mel Gibson is still a member in good standing of the AMPAS. (In fact, a Google search on {Is Mel Gibson a member of the Academy?} turns up articles suggesting he should be stripped of his own Oscars if Will Smith is compelled to return his Best Actor statuette.)
Quote from: Bobby5280 on April 08, 2022, 11:51:51 PM
The Academy banned Will Smith from their organization and its events for 10 years. I never expected them to take the Oscar he won, but I'm kind of surprised they issued a 10 year ban. That's stiffer punishment than I expected; I figured he would be gone maybe a year or two.
he's probably laughing. First prize: a ticket to The Oscars. Second prize: a ticket to next year's Oscars as well.
Future awards for Smith are meaningless. He has one, so a second is unnecessary for being on the record as a quality actor.
Job prospects for Smith are more damaged by the punch than the punishment. He can make the popular stuff if he wants to do that, or do what he's done a lot and finance his own movies (all those films with him and his son to try and get the son's career going) - if the Academy doesn't like him, there's other awards. And awards aren't the only reason to make a film with high art - if you want a decent black actor about that age who is a bankable star, you cast Smith.
Quote from: english si on April 09, 2022, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on April 08, 2022, 11:51:51 PM
The Academy banned Will Smith from their organization and its events for 10 years. I never expected them to take the Oscar he won, but I'm kind of surprised they issued a 10 year ban. That's stiffer punishment than I expected; I figured he would be gone maybe a year or two.
he's probably laughing. First prize: a ticket to The Oscars. Second prize: a ticket to next year's Oscars as well.
Future awards for Smith are meaningless. He has one, so a second is unnecessary for being on the record as a quality actor.
Job prospects for Smith are more damaged by the punch than the punishment. He can make the popular stuff if he wants to do that, or do what he's done a lot and finance his own movies (all those films with him and his son to try and get the son's career going) - if the Academy doesn't like him, there's other awards. And awards aren't the only reason to make a film with high art - if you want a decent black actor about that age who is a bankable star, you cast Smith.
His son was an insufferably bad actor. After Earth in particular was so bad that it wasn't even enjoyable in a "so bad it's good" kind of way.
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Quote from: jakeroot on April 09, 2022, 12:34:50 PMHe was only nominated three times without the shadow he cast over his own head. Something tells me the more likely course from here on is that he just isn't as involved in films as he once was. After all, why pick an actor you know won't get nominated?
I think he's still bankable. Slapping another man who makes a joke at your wife's expense is far more readily forgivable than getting drunk and spewing anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, and Mel Gibson is still a member in good standing of the AMPAS. (In fact, a Google search on {Is Mel Gibson a member of the Academy?} turns up articles suggesting he should be stripped of his own Oscars if Will Smith is compelled to return his Best Actor statuette.)
Point taken. I might still argue that many can forgive words (less so today than in years past, perhaps), but not physical contact, regardless of (a) whether harm was intended, nor (b) the level of physical contact.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on April 09, 2022, 12:14:36 AM
Luckily the Academy Awards hardly ever has enough of a consensus winner that they probably wouldn't have that issue.
Finally someone made a good Bully Maguire vs Will Smith meme:
I wonder if they'll have a re-match. ;)
Meanwhile it was bound to happen: a Downfall parody clip where Hitler rants about Will Smith.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl95U4_wVAA
Quote from: jakeroot on April 09, 2022, 02:14:25 PMPoint taken. I might still argue that many can forgive words (less so today than in years past, perhaps), but not physical contact, regardless of (a) whether harm was intended, nor (b) the level of physical contact.
Another way of looking at it is the rules for Brady disclosures or, alternately, the rules for certifying a police officer.
If a police officer strikes someone in public, this is not necessarily disclosable to a defense attorney under Brady v. Maryland. If he or she spews racist or anti-Semitic nonsense, on the other hand, this is disclosable since it proves prejudice and can be used to impeach him or her on the witness stand.
In Kansas, a person who had a misdemeanor conviction for slapping someone in public would still be able to receive certification as a police officer because the only disqualifiers related to past criminal record (including expunged convictions) are (1) felonies, (2) misdemeanors of domestic violence (Will Smith and Chris Rock are not members of the same household), and (3) misdemeanors that reflect on the honesty, trustworthiness, integrity, or competence of the applicant.
Quote from: english siJob prospects for Smith are more damaged by the punch than the punishment. He can make the popular stuff if he wants to do that, or do what he's done a lot and finance his own movies (all those films with him and his son to try and get the son's career going) - if the Academy doesn't like him, there's other awards. And awards aren't the only reason to make a film with high art - if you want a decent black actor about that age who is a bankable star, you cast Smith.
One problem is Will Smith isn't
spring chicken young anymore. He mostly plays lead role, name above the title, action hero parts. Guys in their 50's can continue getting those parts for only a limited amount of time -as long as they look young enough and train like hell in the gym.
Those with serious acting chops usually start transitioning over more serious roles when they're in their 30's and 40's. The
movie stars who can't diversify into more serious work, character acting or comedy end up on the fast track to B-movie hell. They wind up in lots of junk-grade, straight-to-video crap. That is if they want to keep acting at all. Another option is moving behind the camera as a producer or director. It takes clout to be a producer. It takes talent, clout and a lot of other management traits to make it as a director.
Smith's Oscar-winning part in
King Richard was an outlier to the types of movies he usually makes. He has played in very few "grown up" movies.
Ali and
The Legend of Bagger Vance (both made over 20 years ago) were successful. Others like
The Pursuit of Happyness and
Seven Pounds were less so.
Anyway, Will Smith has to figure out some way to start making more of those serious type movies as he continues getting older. Being an Oscar winner will help. But not being eligible to win another Oscar for 10 years will hurt his chances landing key parts. The Oscars might be meaningless to action movie fans. But they're still important in marketing for "serious movies."
Medically-caused hair loss is a hell of a subject for a joke. If that's the best Chris Rock can do, he should consider a career change.
Not to excuse the slap.
Maybe Smith has some street cred back now and can return to a rap career. :bigass:
Quote from: kkt on April 10, 2022, 12:07:45 AM
Medically-caused hair loss is a hell of a subject for a joke. If that's the best Chris Rock can do, he should consider a career change.
Not to excuse the slap.
I believe I read somewhere -- I tend to avoid pop culture stuff but this has been unavoidable with saturation all over social and traditional media -- that Rock was unaware of her medical condition.
I will admit to not only being unaware of it, but unaware of what alopecia is, as I'd never heard of it.
At this point, it bears repeating the following:
Quote from: Bobby5280 on March 29, 2022, 01:17:50 PM
I find it especially baffling Chris Rock of all people would say such an insensitive joke given one of his past projects. He starred in and co-produced the excellent documentary Good Hair in 2009. He knows as well as any man just how important good hair is to black women.
As part of that production, Chris Rock had researched the very condition we're talking about: alopecia.
Quote from: Sheila Bridges (who has alopecia), via Instagram
Shame on you @chrisrock Didn't we sit down and talk at length about how painfully humiliating and difficult it is to navigate life as a bald woman in a society that is hair obsessed?
Quote from: kphoger on April 11, 2022, 09:44:00 AM
As part of that production, Will Smith had researched the very condition we're talking about: alopecia.
Assuming you mean Chris Rock there.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 11, 2022, 10:50:36 AM
Assuming you mean Chris Rock there.
:facepalm:
Yep, fixed that.
Sorry, but baldness is not a real medical condition. 100% fair game. Same for joking that someone is fat or old. It's not like Jada had cancer or something, Jesus. Such a tepid jab, too. "Oh hey you kinda look like this other famously attractive and talented person from their memorable role!" Boo freakin' hoo.
This only happened cuz Will was already in the doghouse and got glared at by Jada for laughing, so his attempt to cover his own ass spilled over into this bullcrap. He used that Oscar-award winning acting talent to put on a performance that he was upset on behalf of his wife. But because he's not good at ad-libbing, it went off the rails.
I'm amused the "punishment" is Will Smith is out of The Academy. Oh, you mean he doesn't have to sit through boring-ass award shows or watch any depressing Oscar-bait movies for the next decade? Boy, you showed him! That'll send a stern lesson to anyone looking to make anything remotely interesting happen at an awards show ever again.
Quote from: hbelkins on April 10, 2022, 09:34:44 PMI will admit to not only being unaware of it, but unaware of what alopecia is, as I'd never heard of it.
I have known of the word for decades, and I have a neighbor who lost all of his hair within a year, going from a full head with minimal age-related thinning to completely bald, and attributed it to alopecia. However, I'd say this incident has raised consciousness of the ways in which it differs from pattern baldness, both male (receding hairline at temples and crown) and female (generalized thinning).
This incident is the beginning of a new game, called "Rock, Oscar, Smith." We already know that Smith slaps Rock. Oscar evades Smith (that worked until this year). Rock beats Oscar somehow.